Audibles From the Long Snapper: Urlacher, Williams, Webb...etc.

Audibles From the Long Snapper: Urlacher, Williams, Webb...etc.

The banality of training camp continues Let's overreact to some more stuff!


Urlacher received a knee debridement yesterday morning - "the medical removal of dead, damaged, or infected tissue to improve the healing potential of the remaining healthy tissue." Urlacher, Lovie Smith and the organization believe the middle linebacker is still on pace to appear in the season opener on September 9th.

The truth? Who cares about September 9th? Who cares about the following Thursday night trip to Green Bay either? If this knee isn't ready for the impact of the NFL, the Bears would be better off dropping Urlacher to PUP and ensuring a healthy star come the seventh week of the season. We can't be shortsighted. We can't be impatient. As I wrote a few days ago, if the Bears expect to make a deep run into the 2012 postseason, they'll need Urlacher in January not September.


It is a meaningless game, of course, but not for one position on the Bears roster. Mike Tice has said Chris Williams will see time for the first team offensive line Saturday night against the Washington Redskins due to J'Marcus Webb's subpar work in the opening preseason game. The first-team unit is expected to play the entirety of the first half.

Unless you want to overreact to Cutler or Forte's first action of the year, these two are the only players on the roster worth truly watching Saturday night. If Williams significantly outperforms Webb - in a way visible to fans - the sounds from the Soldier Field faithful will become deafening. There has been personal vitriol lobbed at Webb. Fans seems to be angry at not only the player, but the man as well. If Williams keeps a clean sheet, he'll win in the court of public opinion.


Stephen Paea spent Monday in a walking boot but was getting around pretty well Tuesday, per reports across the sideline. Major Wright came out of the preseason opener with hamstring tightness but hasn't missed a beat at practice since. Knock on wood but outside Urlacher the Bears have yet to face a significant injury this summer. Three weeks to go!

SIDE NOTE: I don't know how much energy I have for these inane preseason posts but I'll keep trucking along. I see what other blogs out there are doing and, let's be honest, I'm not going to do that. I'll start putting my heart & soul into this thing when the players do - Wednesday, September 5th.

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  • First.

  • Maybe Tice will just design every single play in that playbook to roll out strongside eliminating the need for Jay to get crushed by the man that Webb or Williamns is blocking. I trust Carimi a whole bunch more than either of those two. Here's to hoping he can stay healthy too.

  • Jeff, you do great write ups. Not going to lie though, I wish there were more and more frequent. Most times I come for the friendly debates and bullshitting on this site. We have a following on here that is second to none.

    Also, I hate those damn pop up ads that come up everytime I click on the blog. Boo to ads.

  • In reply to JAB1:

    Boo to gnome code.

  • Preseason for bloggers, too?

    I think at the very least, post something daily. Doesn't have to be much, doesn't have to be about anything. Just give us a new blank page for comments.

    I'll say here what I've read elsewhere--what disturbs me about #54's knee isn't that he got it scoped, it's that he got it scoped now instead of back in May.

    In my non-expert medical opinion, that indicates that there was either more damage than initially thought, or there's been damage subsequent to the injury (e.g., the knee is loose, so scar tissue builds up).

    I'm leaning toward the latter. That's how it was with my MCL. The ligaments didn't tighten up afterwards, so the loosey-gooseyness of the joint led to some micro-tears in the ligaments, plus some meniscus damage.

    I'm hoping it's like that, too, because if the injury was worse than initially thought, and/or there's been something worse that has happened since January, and/or something has interfered with the healing, then this knee is going to be a long recovery.

    As is, a clean-up scope can be a quick recovery. Two weeks isn't out of the question, though if I were the coach, #54 would sit until opening day, if not later.

  • you got it boys. daily preseason posts starting today.

  • In reply to Jeff Hughes:

    shit. it's that easy? ask and we shall receive?

    kate upton trampolining in a bikini. please and thank you.

  • In reply to evantonio:

    On my face. Not too much to ask I think.

  • In reply to JAB1:

    like asking for a second packet of sugar at dunkin donuts.

  • In reply to evantonio:

  • In reply to evantonio:


  • In reply to MB30SD:

    would you prefer coveralls?

  • In reply to evantonio:

    i;d prefer nothing sir.... noooothing.

  • MBP, that post on the last thread disgusted me to the utmost. Not another set of rich vacuous talentless assholes. Jesus fucking christ... how does american society keep manufacturing these assholes.

    Can someone please ship them to fucking deepest africa to help build housing and dig wells for the natives for the next 20 years?

    My god wealth generates wastes of space. Fuckinga

    Btw, the article was brilliantly written, and was the only reason I kept reading. Disgusting little ponces.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Treat celebrities like trolls - just ignore them.

    As far as wealth generating waste of space, poverty does as fine a job I'm sure. It's just that you don't hear about them.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    the difference is that one is bourne of circumstance (yes, this can be argued), the other is done on purpose and with effort.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I'm betting you can find examples of each among both groups. But vapidity, youth, and opulent wealth do in fact seem to be strongly correlated.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    -1 for racism.

  • In reply to BlitzKrieg:


  • I got your #99 right here

  • In reply to gpldan:

    you know... I've been holding back on my draft review to see how things bode...

    ...but I gotta tell you guys, with our problems at LT, ILB, and FS, and seeing some of the pick that we passed up for chicken dinner and hardin... I'm getting nervous.

    Damn man.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    It's all good. Dinner is going to run RG3 down from behind Saturday night and make me regret that Toob link.

  • I got your Road to Perdition right here:

  • Random thoughts:

    Is it harder to be a sports player in Chicago or a Chicago sports fan?

    Bears are either going 11-5 or 5-11 and I have no idea which one it's going to be.

    If the Bears can't run the ball Cutler will die.

    Protect the franchise.

    Curious to know why Jeff thinks no position is worth watching/not overreacting except the OLine. For me that's the one position that's not worth watching. We're clearly fucked.

    If he hasn't already, Lovie needs to come up with a contingency plan for his base defense. No 3 tech and no 54 means no stopping opposing offenses in the cover 2.

  • In reply to Shady:

    Would also like to see Bush not hand balls to the defense.... That sounded wrong.

  • In reply to Shady:

    I want Kate Upton to hand her bush to my balls. But yes, that fumble was unacceptable. Lets hope that the only reason the o looked bad was because of vanilla play calling. Still discouraging when you see our oline get pushed back like that.

  • In reply to JAB1:


    Common man. She just has a little hair that's been shaved into: "MB30SD" down there.

  • In reply to Shady:

    I'd rather see him hand his testicles to the defense instead of the football.

    Yeah, that didn't sound right either...

  • In reply to Shady:

    A fan.

    Chicago treats his sports heroes like demighods and gives them chance after chance to succeed.

    Imagine what New York would have done to Pippen after his migraine headache or refusing to come of the bench?

    How many Cubs Kerry Wood jerseys were sold for an average MLB pitcher?

    There are still Raymont "ultraback" Harris T-shirts on Ebay.

    Ditka's is still jam packed during the season.

    Larry Bird does not have a statue of himself in Boston.

    A total fucking role player like Craig Hodges can be rolling in dough and hot chicks for doing one thing well.

    Everybody OUTSIDE of Chicago torched Cutler after the NFC Championship game. Chicago did not.



    Well, just take the Bears. We lived through Pardee, Wanny, Juroun, and years of McCaskey idiocy. Hockey? The Wurtz family? Are you kidding? Thank God the milkman came when he did and Rocky was born. Crumbs Krause. OMG.

    We lived through SAM FUCKING ZELL, a man who actually LOOKED LIKE A BILLY GOAT, owning the Cubs when they fucked it all up.

    If not for the White Sox and Blackhawks, we'd be in a 20 year drought.

    It's fucking tough to be a fan in this city sometimes.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Haha, I was supporting Cutler here in the east coast when he got hurt and "quit" on the team, support him against Eli and Sanchez and even Romo. The tri state area fans here are crazy harsh to players so it's kinda funny to have the perspective of someone from Chicago....

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I agree. This one season alone will take at least 3 years off my life.

  • In reply to Shady:

    So, last season had to take off at least a decade.

    2010 - with Cutler getting mauled every game?!? 15 years.

    2009 - Ron Turner ball? Ugh. 25.

    2007-2009? The QB play alone would essentially kill you.

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    Oops... 2007-2008 QB play.

    Shit the super bowl was so upsetting, when the next season came around - I had forgotten that we were even in it.

    I was blackout drunk and suicidal by halftime. That game alone took 3 years off my life.

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    We should sue Rex Grossman for that night.

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    Signed myself out of hospital to watch that game, signed back in the next morning .... but it was worth it for the kickoff alone.

  • Before his surgery I said, "If he hurt his knee in January, and it's not healed by August, 4 more weeks aren't going to help." Jeff's PUP idea has some merit, but I do think we're going to need every win to get to the postseason, even the early ones.

  • In reply to Jokey:

    exactly Jokey. Urlacher missing 6 games is a fucking disaster if when combined with other inevitable injuries we end up dropping 3 games. On andy given sunday any team can win.

  • In reply to Waffle:

    Insert some joke about Andy giving Sundays... just not clever enough to come up with one.

  • "The banality of training camp continues Let's overreact to some more stuff!"

    There is nothing commonplace or ho hum about your hall of fame middle linebacker getting scoped right before the season, a season that just so happens to be one of the last great chances for the Bears to win a superbowl before half of the defense retires or fades into mediocrity.

    Jeff, your twitter posts and comments about nothing meaning anything and that all of these events being meaningless is what is really getting banal.

    There is nothing wrong with people simply REACTING to potentially season altering events.

    1. The offensive line being in the same shit ass condition as last year is not acceptable and WILL impact the season. Talk about putting shitty wheels on Ferarri.
    2. Hall of Fame linebacker and key piece of the Bears defensive puzzle experiences complications to his end of season knee injury that wouldn't even allow him to golf until May. These complications are worrisome enough that Urlacher disappears and magically reappears and gets scoped several weeks from the start of the season.

    We're not being stupid, ingnorant, "common" fans by worrying about things that have the potential to derail a superbowl run.

    Angelo wasted a truly special defense and special teams unit for 6 years by not addressing WR and OL correctly. He also missed on multiple Defensive picks. Now these old recurring problems and lack of attention to glaring weaknesses have put the team in jeopardy again.

    I and others like me are not overreacting, we are just responding to circumstances that we all know are deadly serious and impactful.

  • In reply to Waffle:

    Before you jump off a cliff, this D is from top-to-bottom an improvement over the one we had in 2009 when Lach missed all but the first game with that wrist injury.
    And we also had a dinged up Matty, a QB who threw a 5-pick game against a bad 49ers team, and an offensive line that stunk worse than any we've had since.
    And we finished 7-9, just barely out of the playoffs in the NFC.
    Does it worry me that Lach's knee is dinged up? Absolutely - but is it a season killer? Not when this roster is more talented at every position than it has been since at least 2006, and offensively, since...forever?

    In regards to the O-line, even with Martz trying his damnedest to get Jay killed last year, and even with Carimi and Williams out for much of the season, we were pacing the NFC 10 games in last year with most of the same guys on the line. The sack numbers from the first half of the 2011 season were fine - the numbers from Mr. Caleb "Shitting His Pants instead of Throwing The Football" Hanie's tenure were markedly worse, probably because of his tendency to tuck the ball and head for the nearest opposing player when his first read wasn't open.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I am still calling 11-5 but have backed off of my 13-3 or 12-4 predictions from before. I'm in no danger of jumping off a cliff unless it is to swim in the carribean.

    Now, when Cutler gets blindsided by Orakpo and limps off the field because JWEBB fucksticknation or CWilliams fucks up AGAIN and we have no one else to put there then we'll see how irrelevant the pre-season is.

    Do you guys realize how fucking lucky Cutler is to have escaped with only a tweaked knee and concussion over the last 3 years? That is one tough son of a bitch.

  • In reply to Waffle:

    speaking of tough sunsabitches... I have a SMAW IN THE FACE waiting for you.

    Shady, Doc, and I lit it up last night. Get some.

    (you too rabbit)

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I was around earlier in the week...have to order my replacement headset today.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    family in town sleeping in my mancave and my guest bedroom. Can't jump on until Saturday after the game. I will be drunk and firing rockets at you whilst jumping off of cars and ledges.

  • In reply to Waffle:

    At least we have Campbell now - as Lovie would say "that's big".

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    I should have clarified that comment. We don't have any other linemen to put in. We have 2 more qb's that we can throw in there as cannon fodder.

  • In reply to Waffle:

    Point well taken.

    It IS truly amazing that Cutler has been able to take as many snaps for the Bears as he has with the "protection" he's gotten, coupled with inane/idiotic/insane play-calling ("Yeah, lets do ANOTHER 7-step drop") by an apparently DEMENTED O.C. who RICHLY DESERVED, and at last WAS, to be told where to go by Cutler who then took UNDESERVED crap from Cutty-Haters everywhere for doing it. I'm POSITIVE these Haters would change there tune if we had 250 to300 pound angry men smack THEM to the ground several times a week.

  • In reply to Waffle:

    Cutty is a tough bastard, sartorial choices aside.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    The man is dapper, what can I say?

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I haven't broken out the razor blades yet and I don't think we'll shit the bed. I really don't (even with Web at LT and no Lach)

    What does piss me off to no fucking end is not addressing the same damn things that got Jerry Angelo fired... for not addressing the same damn things.

    How in thee fuck does that happen?!?!!? All this Tice is good enough to fix garbage, is just that... garbage. Fire the motherfucker is that's the attitude and outcome his presence gets us. Bring in a new OL coach that is so green the management HAS to finally bring in actual, bona fide OL talent at every critical position because they have no clue if the new coach even knows how to coach an OL. Then there won’t be all this… ‘oh tice will make it work, even if 4 of the 5 guys suck balls’ total bullshit.

    Emery, Lovie and Tice BETTER have been the reason you did nothing to address our fucking putrid OL, and you better also get us an ILB and FS next year somehow too. Not sure how you’re going to do that with pick #32 in the first round, but that’s why you’re being paid the big bucks now son.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    You know that you and I agree most vehemently on fixing the O-line, but Emery's focus was on fixing the skill positions first. While it is not doubt wishful thinking, my guess is that the plan was to take pressure off the line by giving Cutler more options.

    When you can't pass block well, the key is to get rid of the ball fast. Which means more jump balls and throws where the WR has to just get it. Bennett, Forte, and to a lesser extent K. Davis were the only options there, and of the three I'd really only be comfortable repeatedly relying on Earl.

    With Marshall and Jeffrey, options are clearly better.

    Another possibility (am I straw clutching?) is to have a vulture or two circling training camps across the land to see whether we can poach any serviceable linemen.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    -1 for bad analysis

  • In reply to BlitzKrieg:

    Blitz, you're annoying me.

  • In reply to BlitzKrieg:

    Actually, your new name is now Kim. You are behaving like a little Kardashian whorebag with the same craving for positive and/or negative attention to satisfy the part of your whore brain that is broken.

    Something happened in your life that did this to you or you must have had some fucked up parents because rarely do you find someone being such a bitch without a reason.

    Kim, change your fucking avatar right now and your handle.

  • In reply to Waffle:

    Damn it waffle didnt I say dont feed the trolls?! Now they'll be back looking for more and it's not like that deer feeder I set up last year because i cant shoot em.

  • I sorry.

  • And everyone had been doing so well, too. :-(

  • In reply to Waffle:

    Jeff, your twitter posts and comments about nothing meaning anything and that all of these events being meaningless is what is really getting banal.


  • Still 2 slots in the DBB Auction Draft! GP? Tobi?

    and so far we have 4 members of the DBB Pick 'Em league. Join now and earn your bragging rights for the next 12 months!

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    Come one come all!

  • In reply to DYLbear23:

    EMail the invite for the auction league to

    I can't get the web interface to match the league.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Sent the invite.

    TOBIAS! Get you some.

  • In reply to DYLbear23:

    I jumped in on the pick em league

  • It's funny, Jason Campbell had the same exact look on his face as Grossman, Orton, Griesie, Cutler and Caleb did when they first took a snap behind the O Line. It was the "OMG here they come I need to get rid of this ball NOW" look. Welcome to QB'ing in Chicago.

  • In reply to Shady:

    My coach used to call those look out blocks. All Webb does is turn his head and yell "look out!"

  • I tore my ACL and they wanted me to rehab it for a while before reorting to surgery. Eventually I got the surgery. Brian tried but sounds like he has some scar tissue thats iritating his knee and it keeps swelling up. Remove the iritant and he should be right as rain.

  • You HAVE to keep pre-season posting, purely to talk about how unimportant (is that a word) pre-season posting and news is!!!

  • actual footage of Ocho Cinco getting cut:


  • In reply to MB30SD:

    What's that? Coach wants to see me? Let me put on my best house shoes.

  • yep.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    MB..links dead now.

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    HBO - the sharing haters.

    Someone, not me, broke into my house... or stole my internet connection (password was "password") and downloaded a single episode of The Life and Times of Tim (and a terrible episode at that)...

    Next day, 3 emails from Cox telling me to cut if out.

    That same hacker/burglar has downloaded over 1TB of movies/music/tv with no other wrist slaps.

    It's HBO - they protect there overpriced $20/mo product better than most anyone.

  • With all the 11-5 discussion, its worth pointing something out. And this really supports what Jeff is saying about January vs. September.

    2010: Saints won superbowl and went 13-3 in the regular season. That team was what people expected should happen. Strong 2009, good off-season, dominant offense all year, convincing playoff run.

    2011: Packers won superbowl after limping into the playoffs at 10-6. Bears might remember that Week 17 was an important game for the Pack against the division champs. They had a horrible season, plagued by injuries and a tough schedule, but battled back at the end to limp in to the playoffs. After which they pretty much dominated.

    2012: Giants won the superbowl after finishing at 9-7. Another #6 got hot at the right time and ran through the competition with a monster pass rush and productive offense.

    The last two Superbowls were won by teams with 10 or fewer wins. The 6th seed getting hot in January is the new normal in the NFL. I'm sure we'll see another team soon like the 2009-10 Saints (the Pats almost did it last year), but there's no reason to say we need 11-5.

    The powerhouse Steelers and Ravens looked great last year, until the playoffs. Then the Steelers were banged up and the Ravens worn out. The Pack and the Saints looked dominant against weak teams, but they didn't have the focus to win tight playoff matchups against strong competition. Winning the superbowl is all about fresh bodies and focused minds in January, and the regular season is not always a good indicator.

    We don't need to win 11 games. We don't need to win the division. We just need to get in. And we need to be running on all cylinders when we get there.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    This is the new attrition-based NFL. The only people talking 16-0 are the Patties.

    That's why I like the depth I see at camp. We get Flatbread back and Woot-Woot shows up to spell Pep, and Dinner gets to 1st string, and we may have something.

    Even if we have to go Briggs, Roach, JT Thomas - that leaves a bit of depth with Hayes and I think Lach will be ready in October.

    I like that #27 kid at corner. I hope peanut stays healthy so we don't need him, but we actually have some talent out there.

    Of course, by week 3 Pringles will be on the season IR list, but there is good news and I think Hardin and Conte with Steltz backing up can be decent. And white. Very white.

  • In reply to gpldan: we don't say white..they are what we call clear.....

  • In reply to gpldan:

    it's going to be a white christmas this year

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:


    You had me at "With".


  • In reply to NewBearInTown:


  • Before I get destroyed, why do we not like Steltz at safety?

    Is it because of what he did to Peanut or am I forgetting something?

  • he's a white safety..oopppsss no I mean he's clear.....tee hee hee

  • my big beef with Steltzy at safety is that he is a huge liability in pass coverage...well...i mean a bigger liability than the other liabilities at least.

  • My issue isn't the Bayou Scud... he's actually one of our best SSs. It's that we have only serviceable FSs, especially since both of them played corner in college.

    Get me a perennial FS in the mold of MB and we'll be golden with all the depth. Just one guy. That's all we've needed over the last 4 years and we either couldn't get it done, or we let him walk to texas.

    This pattern better NOT continue emery.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    MB nails it, as would be expected since it's his position...

    Steltz is a undersized strong. He's a dependable tackler, but not fast and not a good blitzer, something you really want your strong to be. And in cover 2 D, you need either safety to move up and blitz and shift to cover 1, so you need both safeties to have alot of speed and range.

    That's why you see Lovie so keen to make Pringles the strong safety. Go watch the Florida Youtube highlight video on Major Wright and ask yourself, does that guy look like a NFL strong safety? No way. Way too slight.

    But he's fast. And Lovie loves speed. He wants one safety to have speed and range, which is why we stuck it out with Daniael Manning so long. And the other to be the best open field tackler on the team, which is why you see Conte back there and why we brought in disasters like Adam Archuleta.

    Steltz has had a couple legs worked on and a achilles issue. If you put him in a combine right now, he probably wouldn't even get drafted. But he knows the Bears and he is smart and knows all the coverages. So he stays. Also, Toub likes him, he's great on ST.

  • Craig Steltz is dependable at safety, if not ideal. His flowing blond hair reminds me of my wife. He can make big hits and plays good special teams. He's not what you want starting, but I like him on our team.

    Waffle should go back to Belgium and take Mike Brown Posse with him. I'm sure they have many Holiday Inns for him there.

  • In reply to BlitzKrieg:

    His flowing blond hair reminds me of my wife

    Funny, his hair reminds me of your wife as well...

  • In reply to gpldan:


  • In reply to gpldan:

    I assume you are referring to her moustache.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:


  • Good point Artoo. People that hated him from the start aren't likely to change their tune once things like facts start showing up. Steltz moved forward, others have not (although TJ has apparently). Urlacher raved about Stetz and how he's never in the wrong place.

  • If Manning has another season for the Texans like he did last year, then not signing him was yet another Glitchy legacy fuck-up.

    We offered Kreutz about 2 full M over his market value (what the Saints paid for him), I gotta think there was some cash in the kitty to pay Manning. Lovie moved the poor guy everywhere, he finally gets the hang of being SS, and we don't pick up his contract.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    thank you glitchy!........!@#!@!$#!$#!@!#!#!!!!!

  • In reply to gpldan:

    gp......+1 on the system w/ Manning.....found another that seems to be doing well in another system rather than the cover who?;,0,3754111.story

  • gotta love Peanut:


    "His Bald Head"

  • interesting angle from "Moon" about the Lach

  • Question for Artoo and others who follow players on twitter:

    Has your impression or opinion about a player changed based on what you've read on their social media accounts? If so, how?

  • In reply to Shady:

    Anthony Adams is too funny and too smart to be unsigned at this point.
    Bring back Spice!

    Some are even dumber than I expected (Chris Johnson for one...I thought he was stupid but he's full-on, mouth-breathing stupid).

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Absolutely! My apologies if someone's already posted this link:

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    I won't take it personally tobi

  • In reply to MB30SD:


  • In reply to Shady:

    dude, doc, rabbit and i playin. where you at?

  • DYL, hey man, I haven't disappeared... at least not permanently. The whole startup thing in another country has taken up tons of time and attention, so I had to bail during the offseason... but I'm back now! Good to see DBB as lively as ever...

    Cool that you started up a Pick'Em league... & glad to see people here getting excited about capping. Should we fire up the old league from last year, or go with your new one? Or we can run them both... What say you DYL?

    BEAR DOWN!!!

  • In reply to Michael L:

    It's good to have you back you super smart and insightful motherfucker.

  • In reply to Michael L:

    Welcome back!

  • Guys, I really urge you not to get dramatic (or at least not yet) and indignant about Urlacher's knee scope. There are a number of articles which spell this out from multiple different ortho doctors (which I can go dig up if necessary), but this is not surgery which should have been done in January.

    The MCL and PCL are both healed, period. The swelling was caused by debris or minute damage to the surface of the joint -- things which 50-75% of the time isn't visible on an MRI according to one Dr. The scope was done to clean that up, and the healing time is highly variable but 2-6 weeks is typical.

    Absent anything else new that comes up that is out of the ordinary, there is zero evidence of any structural damage to his knee... either unhealed from January or any new damage.

    So please for now stow the rants about his knee not having healed yet, for not doing surgery back in January, etc. It's obvious that they stressed the knee, it was irritated due to debris or surface imperfections and thus swelling up... they gave it several days to see if it went down, but it didn't (or it didn't enough), and they decided it was better to do a scope and clean up the knee now rather than try to manage the irritation and swelling throughout the year. His personal days may have included consulting a specialist, or it may have just been personal issues. Either way everything all makes sense.

    [Following is now my opinion...]
    The only thing that you can point to and say maybe would have been smarter to do is to test the knee harder a few weeks earlier.... That way they could have caught an issue like this with a little bigger window of recovery for a scope before the season started. But even that is debatable... 6 months is a good amount of time to let a serious but incomplete PCL (or ACL) tear heal. Hardcore stressing the knee earlier would have cut into that time, and possibly led to minor nicking (leading to a scope) or setback recovery. So it's really not "obvious" to anyone that there was a better course of action, even in hindsight.

    Also, all this means absent any new developments (which hopefully there won't be), that Urlacher is good and the scope is no big deal at all.

  • Yup, getting his knee cleaned out is a good thing. Mileage maintenance.

  • Great to have Dr. Michael's insightful second opinion here to clear this up. Listen to the Doc and relax. Dan Hampton seemed to almost routinely play Sunday, get a scope and clean out on Monday and then reek havoc the following Sunday. Brian, just suck it up and Bear down like all the Monsters of the Midway did!

  • Hub was on the Score this morning. Contrary to the calls for less drama, he was rather annoyed - for Hub.

    He basically said they fucked this all up. After the Vikings game that Child Support was injured, the Bears stonewalled the press. They started saying things like rehab only would fix it, etc etc. They waited, and may have even pushed Brian, to wait.

    Finally, some 3 months after the injury, he has the surgery. That is, by any definition, some WTF medicine right there. So, he's late having the surgery, and then he has it - and now he needs a debridement.

    So, now Hub is annoyed, and calls some orthopedics he knows, and starts putting together a real story, like a journalist ought to. The debridement is a smoothing of corseness along the joint, but ITSELF may cause scar tissue. And certainly alot of swelling. A LOT of swelling.

    Then, they played Lovie with some Lovie weasel talk:

    "Brian got the procedure, he's where the Bears want him to be.."

    "Will he be ready for partof the season? There is no doubt, no doubt in my mind that he will be ready." (He even dropped an octave when he said part)

    "I am completely satisfied that Brian is doing what Brian needs to do."

    Hub and M&H nearly puked on their shoes.

    The Bears and the doctors fucked this up, and now it's pure CYA time. The diagnosis after the injury was either wrong or vastly misrepresented TO BRIAN, what was going on there. Emery, being the former S&C guy he was, made all Bears pass a conditioning test that Brian had to pass. That is probably what set his knee off, made him realize the pain was too much to bear.

    We can't believe ANYTHING Halas Hall tells us. They have simply proven to be inveterate liars with nothing but contempt for the press, again and again. I don't like Lach plays until October, and I'm not sure when he plays - if he lasts. Because nobody outside a few doctors and maybe Brian himself, know WTF the damage is.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    GP I agree with most of your post but you hit the nail on the head in the last sentence. Nobody outside the doctors, Brian and some people at Halas Hall really know. Not you, not me and esp not Hub "Fucking" Arkush. He's had a hard on for the Bears ever since they sent him down the road. Let's see where we are before we jump off a cliff.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    GPL, I'll follow up in the new thread, but as someone who had an almost complete PCL (and LCL) tear myself, I can tell you one part of that Hub rant cannot possibly be true.

    The alleged 3 months later surgery cannot be the surgery he "should have gotten" at the time of the injury. If it were, there is just no way they would have cleared him to start training camp -- the clock starts over after any major PCL (or ACL) surgery, and 3 months is not even close to enough time to recover before starting sports activity again. That would have been completely reckless medically, so if that alleged surgery in April actually happened... it must have been something minor, like an arthroscopic debridement.

    So his whole narrative falls apart. That's not to say he's not right about their deception and misdirection (which if so is likely Emery's influence, given his Patriot-esque background and philosophy), or about certain issues. But the picture he painted is most definitely flawed...

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