Open Debate: Select Your NFC North Big Three

Open Debate: Select Your NFC North Big Three

I started a conversation on the Twitter a day or so back and it became a rather intriguing sports debate. Now I send it to you, my loyal readers, and I expect you will not be horribly swayed by your penchant for loving a certain ballclub that plays its football between a highway and a large lake.

Rank the QB-RB-WR trio, #1s only, of Chicago, Detroit & Green Bay. It is a fascinating debate once broken down. The Packers have a substantial advantage at QB but Stafford v Cutler is a legitimate debate with Cutler coming out slightly ahead. The Lions have the biggest advantage in sports at WR but Jennings and Marshall is a legitimate debate and - I believe - Marshall comes out slightly ahead.

That leaves running back and Matt Forte has a significant advantage over James Starks and whomever the Lions tread out there.

Here is how I do the rankings:

Aaron Rodgers - 95
Jay Cutler - 88
Matthew Stafford - 82

Calvin Johnson - 100
Brandon Marshall - 90
Greg Jennings - 89

Matt Forte - 92
James Starks - 82
Lions Backs - 70

Total Points:
270 Chicago
266 Green Bay
252 Detroit

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  • Oh yes. You know it. First degreeness.

  • A-Rod - 94
    Cutty - 94
    Stafford - 84

    Calvin - 96
    Brandon - 95
    Jennings - 87

    Forte - 91
    Anypackermax - 84
    AnyLionmax - 85

    280 pts Chicago
    275 pts Frackers
    265 pts Pussies

  • HSBC just got fingered for laundering the drug cartels moolah. Aren't they part of the 'Federal Reserve system banks ... the privately run system that dictates your fiscal policies?

    {IRISH! NO!}


  • When HSBC bailed on Sir Jackie's racing team, he called them the most corrupt bank he'd ever seen.

    But seriously, that is stealing candy out of the cookie jar compared to fixing Libor. The LIBOR scandal goes all the way to the underpinnings of Rothchild wealth, it's how the society stays in control. It's the mother of all financial scandals. I can't believe you aren't on this like skank on Octomom.

  • So... no love for the Vikes big 3?? (kidding).

    I would have to say the Bears are the best, as I think we are overestimating Starks' skill.

    However, if and when Jahvid Best is healthy, I think he's a damn good back. The problem is, of course, the if/when part.

    I think it goes like this -

    - Rodgers: 98
    - Stafford: 93
    - Cutler: 93

    - Jennings: 93
    - Johnson: 98
    - Marshall: 95

    - Starks: 85
    - Best (if/when): 89
    - Forte: 94

    - GB: 276
    - DET: 280
    - CHI: 282


  • Very Small Friday trivia:

    LSD is actually a highway, not a road. It's highway 41 as it goes past the field, which incidentally is Piccolo's retired jersey number.

    The north end of it is in the UP of Michigan. Take it south, it goes under the Skyway, down across the Calumet, into Indiana, through Terre Haute and Clarksville made famous by the Monkees. Into Nashville, running past the Titans stadium, through Chatanooga, down to Atlanta, right past the Georgia Dome where the Falcons play, through Macon where it forms the Macon Dixon line, runs parallel to I75 down into Tampa, where it goes over McKay bay named after the Bucs first coach, crosses the Glades to Ft. Myers then into Miami, where it ends.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    On the north side, it goes right past Lambeau. I think it's the only highway in America to run right past 4 NFL stadiums.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I think I've been down that highway through my third eye .... traveling at the speed of psilocybin.

  • The numbers are really arbitrary, but:

    Cutler - 90
    Rodgers - 97
    Stafford - 89
    Ponder - 75

    Marshall - 95
    Jennings (or Jordy Nelson, who had a better 2011) - 88
    Johnson - 100
    Harvin - 88

    Forte - 92
    Starks (or Ryan Grant, who had a roughly equal 2011) - 80
    Best - 75
    AP - 97

    Bears - 277
    Packers - 265
    Lions - 274
    Vikings - 260

    But obviously I don't think the Packers have the third best offense in the NFC North, and I don't think the Vikings are that close to the other teams.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    Here's the thing to remember though:

    The Bears and Vikings have elite runnings backs, but only the Bears have a truly exceptional #2 as well.

    The Packers and Vikings don't have elite running back help, but they both can run by committee, sort of. In Green Bay, the combination of Starks and Grant put out 1137 years, which is comparable to the output of one strong running back on some other teams. But after that, Aaron Rodgers is their #3 rusher. In Detroit, no running back topped 400 yards and the top 4 combined only put up 1257 yards.

    In Minny, after AP you've got Toby Gerhart (not bad) and then Percy Harvin again... not exactly competition for Michael Bush.

    In Chicago, after Marshall you've got Bennett, Hester and Jeffery. I really like Bennett and I think he'll have a great year, but none of those three is comparable to Jordy Nelson in terms of statistics. So even though Marshall is better than Nelson or Jennings (in my opinion by a good margin), when you look at the #2 reciever or the top 2 recievers, Green Bay has the edge. And that, of course, is one reason why Rodgers looks so good... he has several people to spread the ball around to.

    In Detroit, after Johnson you don't really have anybody all that great to catch the ball other than Pettigrew (who's not bad, but not elite). Likewise in Minny, there isn't much help after AP and Harvin, and they don't have any high picks coming in to change that.

    And then you don't consider tight end. Chicago is a really unknown quantity in that respect since Kellen Davis is on a one year prove-it deal and we don't know what he can do. Green Bay has the top dog in the division in Finley. Detroit has Pettigrew (#2 reciever last year) who's pretty good. Minny has basically nothing at this point.

    So when you look at the real combo that, in my opinion, matters in the modern NFL, you look at the QB and the top 3 skill position guys, wherever they line up. In the Superbowl last year that was three WRs for the Giants (with a serviceable running attack to match), and it was two TEs and a slot guy for New England (with pedestrian effort from the true wideouts).

    Cutler, Forte, Marshall, Bennett - 92
    Rodgers, Jennings, Nelson, Finley - 95
    Stafford, Johnson, Pettigrew, Burleson (or Best) - 87
    Ponder, AP, Harvin, Gerhart - 75

    And even that doesn't tell the whole story because it doesn't acccount for the Packers having an okay running back duo (compared to the Lions) and the Vikings having basically nothing besides the 4 guys I just listed. Also doesn't account for the Bears weak offensive line, the Lion's injury prone QB, etc. etc.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    Maybe we could just add up the Madden 13 scores for the teams.

    Better yet, we could just start simming it in about 3 weeks with each other...

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Like I said, the numbers are arbitrary.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    I think Cutty is undervalued because he's played on one of the worst offenses in the NFL since he's been here. Rodgers has played in one system since he made the NFL. He's got good to great receivers across the field. Cutty hasn't had the receivers or the protection - not to mention Mad Martz and his kamikaze offense. I believe we'll get him the 3 seconds he needs, or at least keep him safe enough to exploit the defense somehow.

    His rating will be a lot bigger this year, no question about it. How will Aaron fare with a crappy defense and no running game?

  • Cutler is an outstanding QB. Rodgers is an outstanding QB. I've seen Rodgers be the best in the league. I believe Cutler can get there, but he hasn't done it yet. That's the reason Rodgers is ranked higher - more of a proven commodity.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    What I believe to be true is that the Bears have the second best offense in the division. I think that the Packers and Saints still have the most explosive offensive attacks in the NFL (Packers with better recievers, Saints with more of a running game).

    I think the Bears are better offensively than the Lions because despite Calvin Johnson being one of the greatest ever, the Lions have a pretty average group of skill players after that both running and catching. We're not exactly flush with #1 recievers, but we're building something solid here and we're a lot closer to a complete offense than Detroit is.

    And the Vikings are just a mess and are really hurting for players. They've got two talented running backs, maybe equal in combined talent to our top two in Chicago. They've got one reciever in Harvin who probably would do better if he isn't the #1, but he has to be because there's nobody else to line up in the X spot. But they do have the makings of a really good offensive line. When you combine a top notch line with good running backs, even average recievers start making catches. So if the Vikings can get back to simple football (see 49rs 2011), they could accomplish some things as well.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    Harvin has talked holdout, and the mutual feelings between him and the Vikes are not good. Maybe Leslie can patch that up, maybe not.

    But for being the #2 weapon, he's pretty darn disgruntled.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    But we haven't even seen the Bears' offense yet bro. I have a feeling it's going to be a more-than-the-sum-of-the-parts deal. I believe MArshall when he's blown away by Hester. I believe they've found something useful in E-rod. I had a boner for Bush long before he was a Bear. Kellen will likely have an awesome year. Brandon's a stud in need of a cannon-armed QB. A run game the Packers could only dream about, and a defense that bends but doesn't break. Fuck the Packers. Some money to be made on those games my compadres. Even money and a 6 pt start, gimme some of that shit. I think we're better than them period, offensively, defensively, ST, whatever.

    Anyone see that ducheyne on Total Access? He was asked if he was worried about the Bears and Lions after the off-season and he said 'what have a 15-1 team got to be scared of?'. You'll find out this year my friend.

    If we're healthy we're rollin' up and down that field all day long until the whistle goes phweep.

  • Don't mistake me, I think we can totally run with the Packers. But until I'm proven wrong, I think there is more raw talent on the Packer's offense right now.

    But we've gotten better since last year. And last year we were shooting for 30+ points per game. So we've got the tools.

  • So the scariest QB + 3 combination I can imagine in the current NFL is arguably: Drew Bress, Larry Fitzgerald, Calvin Johnson, Adrian Peterson. Put those four plays together on one team and then ask yourself: "Is there enough cap space left to even sign guys to the veteran minimum?"

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    Assuming AP is still AP.

  • so why isnt AP in the top 3 backs again?

  • In reply to Dmband:

    Because AP might not be able to do a spin move this year.

  • Chickfila is retarded.

    Here is my take on that situation.

    If Chickfila oppose gay people then they oppose divorced people right? Which is the majority of their income. I Bet they won't oppose them.

  • Not sure I get the connection between gay people and divorced people. I truly don't understand why a business would get into politics. No matter what your politics, you're going to alienate at least 30% of the population.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    The only reason the owner opposes gay marriage is because it's a sin.

    Half of the population in America is divorced. Getting divorced is a sin. How many people will be upset that Chicfila doesn't like divorced people or doesn't support it?

    What kind of up roar would that start?

  • Is divorce really a sin? I know Catholics get all worked up over it but I didn't think everyone else did. Who knew?

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Depends on how "old school" one is. Divorce in the Bible is only permitted in extreme circumstances.

    I was friends with an Italian who told me that the conservative party in Italy indeed has outlawing divorce on their ticket.

    He found it curious that the social conservatives in U.S. politics didn't do the same.

  • That's actually not true. Divorce in the Catholic church, to my understanding, was traditionally only allowed in extreme circumstances. Divorce in Jewish law has been regarded as a bad situation for all concerned, but generally permissible in situations where one party wants out (for whatever reason).

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    True NewBear, I was referring to Christian tradition (and more specifically, Catholic since it has been around the longest).

    But doesn't "Orthodox" Judaism, and more conservative strands mirror more the "extreme circumstance" protocol for divorce?

    Curious about that.

    Also, it doesn't matter what reason a wife or husband gives for a divorce under more "mainstream" Judaism?

  • No, there are cultural pressures to keep a marriage together, particularly due to the concern about getting remarried, but divorce requires no "extreme circumstances" whatsoever.

    And you are correct, it does not matter what reason a wife or husband gives for wanting the divorce.

    The only odd thing about orthodox divorce is that only a husband can divorce his wife (due to legal technicalities in how a marriage is formed). So if the husband refuses to give a divorce document, or if the husband dissapears (like a soldier for example), it puts women in a very troubling situation called being an "agunah." One of the great challenges for Rabbis for 100s of years has been helping "agunos."

    And for anyone who thinks that the law is misogynist. Keep in mind that if a husband refuses to give a divorce document and the wife wants one, the Talmud advises the men of the city to take the reluctant husband out into the woods and "beat him with sticks" until he relents.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    It was pretty hard to have a Catholic marriage anulled a few years ago (it wasn't called divorce), as - ahem - only God can take apart what he himself sanctified. I think it's easier now to get a divorce since most couples seem to end up hating each other.

  • My oldest sister got her marriage annulled. My 2 other sisters and I had to write about what a rat her husband was, which wasn't too hard. It took her a few years to get the job done. Since I'm a little less spiritual, a divorce was enough for me. Didn't hate the ex. just didn't want to be married to her any longer.

  • Well, I'll go out a little on a limb here and likely someone will take me to task, but here goes....

    In the grand (i.e evolutionary biology) scheme of things, divorce is not equivalent to homosexuality. The former is not by nature an survival/evolutionary disadvantage, whereas the second would seem to be. So in our biology - our base nature - homosexuality seems more "wrong" than divorce.

    Perhaps more important to the church, however, is to encourage the rams and ewes to have more lambs, thereby securing the livelihood of the next generation of the clergy.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    So shit... sorry... this blog is about football!

    Da Bears!

  • That's a dubious argument Artoo.

  • the people that think
    that there is any life force
    in the crap that sh*t fillet serves
    is also bound to be flawed
    in the mindset of judging
    choices made by another
    sex is friction period
    marriage is a legal contract
    that is also fiction
    eating is for life force
    go organically raw
    or don't go at all

  • Quick aside, I don't want to drag Bears talk aside, but since this is (again) the topic of the day:

    I had the day off work on Tuesday, April 20th, 1999. I was studying for one of the CFA tests for my firm. I decided, in the early morning after getting up, to go to the Jefferson County Library on Bowles in Littleton, CO near where I lived at the time. I'm sitting there, I remember having my phone turned off, and all of a sudden there's all these sirens outside and the library staff is in a kurfuffle. We went outside, and you know the rest...

    I spent the rest of 99' meeting all sorts of weird people ready to head to the hills, loaded for bear, once Y2K hit. Like we were going Zombie Apocolypse just as soon as the meltdown happened as the world's computers locked up. People would tell me about their land near Grand Junction or what have you, all stocked up with jerky and .50 cal ammo while buying donuts at the Krispy Kreme. The ratio of well armed whackjobs to normal people was disturbing, and I didn't even live near Colorado Springs, home of guys who look like the Unabomber.

    So, I guess when I saw this thing in Aurora, my thinking was - "yeah, of course. No shock." In truth, it's ridiculous, but if there is one thing I learned about Colorado, as long as the guy was a wacky white loner, there will be no navel gazing or changes made. Nobody is willing to go down that road.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I was a gun owner and hunted since I was 10. I've always liked guns and loved to shoot them. On a national level, no politician has said boo about gun control in the last 25 years. When Clinton got elected and esp when Obama got elected, gun sales skyrocketed. In Virginia, in the last year, a politician thought it might be a good idea to limit gun sales to 4 guns per month per person. People went crazy. You'd think buying 48 guns a year in Virginia would be plenty but apparently that's not the case.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Isn't it crazy that he could purchase thousands of rounds of ammunition on the internet ? There's no point in having any kind of gun control if you're selling bullets on the internet - that's fucked up beyond belief.

  • I never knew you could do that. I used to reload my own ammo. You'd think the shipping on ammo would be prohibitive due to the weight. There are so many guns in the US I have no idea what the answer would be.

  • I'm rather familiar with the apocalyptic mentality.

    My uncle, a Stanford educated middle aged man and devout Evangelical, always used to say "the world's gonna end, watch." He would quote some scripture and apply them to current event. Well, when the U.S. invaded Iraq (the 2nd time), sure enough, "This is the beginning of the end. It says in the Bible..."blah blah blah. Well, I decided to test his conviction.

    "Ok. I tell you what. Let's put some money on it. If Iraq leads to the 3rd world war or something horrible like that, you win. If it's just another war in the long history of wars, then you pay $500."

    Guess what? He didn't take the bet, and it wasn't cause gambling is a sin.

    My best friend, same shit (only he derives from the Catholic tradition). Y2K, 2000 "end of the world" talk. Even bought a bunch water and other materials. Didn't buy gun cause he already owns some.

    "OK, when do you think the world's gonna devolve into chaos - 12 o'clock Greenich Time? When the ball comes down in NY? Pacific Time? I bet you nothing - NOTHING - will happen once the clock strikes 12. $500. Deal?"

    Guess what, he didn't take the bet either. Surprise surprise. I guess it's a lose-lose bet for them anyways, but they were more concerned about losing $500 than all the other ramifications.

    One quality they do have in common: MASSIVE EGO.

    Oh no, the world can not possible continue beyond their life. They are so special that the world MUST end in their lifetime. They can not possibly be but another speck of dust in the history of man and the even less in the vast fields of eternity.

    As the saying goes, "even the devil can quote scripture"...and come december for the Mayan meltdown, I expect I'm going to be offering some wagers again, and even if they're right, it doesn't mean that they were right all the other times. You get enough lottery balls, eventually you win.

    This world is precarious enough, no need in indulging doom-and-gloom scenarios. Like it says at the end of the movie "Seven" (Morgan Freeman voice).

    " Ernest Hemingway once wrote, "The world is a fine place and worth fighting for." I agree with the second part."

  • man's basic flaw
    he knows not who he is
    find out where you were
    8 days before
    the bodies conception
    and then let him try
    to speak in such foolish terms
    the brain thinks of conceptual
    apocalyptic thoughts and
    judgment upon another...
    how important it believes itself to be
    the play of forces will trump
    the ideas of fools
    and continue spinning
    long after our seed meets it's end

  • OK. Rant over. GPs story just reminded me of some of my experiences and observations.

    Anywho, if I had to do a 3-on-3 NBA JAM style version of Football.

    Cutler-Marshall-Forte, all day, every day. I don't need no stinking metrics.

    He's on fire!

  • If you're too poor to spring for a pregnancy test, just take your gal down to a Minnesota bar...

  • Bwahahahahaha! My alma mater is about ten minutes from Mankato.
    They were our nemesisisisis in hockey.
    That's hilarious; no wonder I did all my drinking in St. Peter.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    St. Peter, won't you open up the big white gate?
    I heard about forgiveness and I hope it ain't too late.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    I read recently that she's legally blind. Nice to know in case you get a chance to stare at her!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    I met her twice and had some beers with her, mainly small talk. In person she's just like you'd expect. A nice, outgoing person. It's really hard not to stare, especially when she's all decked out.

  • Hello, is this thing on...

    FF Update

    Irish's second league is nearly full, with 3 spots left in a 12 team BearBlog league. The Draft is on July 28th(Sat) 10AM Eastern.

    Thus far, here are the teams.

    Irish Sweetness
    Forte Got Paea'd (Ha!)
    SamHurdsMexicanCell (double ha!)
    RodgersIsaPussy! (Funny because it's true)
    Team MBP (Really, MBP?)
    This isn't Willie Gault (Willie getting all English on us)
    JessiePinkman'sRV (Have no clue what this means)
    85waystoDIE! (moi)
    EmeraldTriangleWakeyBakeys (Take a wild guess who's team that is)

    Just 3 more slots open, so join up you inglorious basterds!

    Password: childsupport
    Date: Sat, Jul 28, 2012
    Time: 10:00 AM ET

  • Jesse Pinkman is from the show Breaking Bad.

    Check it. 'Tis good, chap.

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    Ahh, that's on my NetFlix's to watch list. But currently, I'm on a hardcore "Voyager" journey, and I only have time for one show at a time.

    There's so many good shows now, more so than before it seems. Unfortunately, they're almost all on cable except "The Big Bang Theory" and "Hell's Kitchen" (If anyone mentions "Glee" here, they are a brave soul).

  • Damn it. I've been missing Hell's Kitchen and Master Chef.

    I've been watching The Wire. Just finished season 1. I recommend it.

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    Dude, they had a BLIND girl on Master Chef. That's nuts.

    And I love watching Ramsey just foam at the mouth in Hell's Kitchen. He yells at the lackeys like I yell at my tv during football season.

    Never heard of The Wire. I really only watch those two shows and re-runs of Seinfeld on TV.

    Everything else: Netflix or pirate links.

  • please watch The Wire. It's the best TV show ever made.

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    Specifically, his RV is where he cooks meth with his high school chemistry teacher.

  • My brain is shot - shitty week that was on a continual arc downward...and that way there's no mistaking who's kicking yo ass!

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Haha...don't make me post the link to my FF trophy. Yes, I saved the link. Maybe I can print out the screen shot of my Shiva trophy, frame it, and send it over to you.


    Let the FF shit talking commence!

  • WHO?

  • Jebus, I got updated on my own league. Cool. That works, thanks!
    Jesse Pinkman's RV !! CLASS!!!

  • Oh fuck me.

    I just typed the longest post ever trying to ask advice for a fantasy football question, accidentally hit a key and closed the window.

    The gist - fantasy auction league, I have Bush and Austin as possible keepers for the same price ($19 and $20).

    Yardage points are cut in half, with a huge bump @ 100 yds.

    95 yds = 4 pts
    100 yds = 8 pts (5 for yds + 3 pt bonus)
    TDs = 6

    Who will have a better year? Faggoty constant disappointment Austin or "the sun even shines on a dog's ass" Bush?

    Commence discussion, please..

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    Seems to me that you can count on Bush to produce similar numbers to last year... meaning one of the most productive #2 backs. He's on a different team, but in basically the same situation (at least as the first half of the season).

    Likewise Austin... I don't see his role or his stats changing much in Dallas.

    Look at last season's numbers and do the math.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    Not true NB.

    McFadden started off as the unquestioned #1 back last year, with Bush as the complement, but McFadden, like always, got injured, and Bush took over as #1 and carried it almost exclusively, producing a decent 2nd RB year in FF (I know, I had him).

    This year, barring a Forte inj, he will be reduced back to a #2 role, hence all any owner can expect out of him is "vulture" td points (since Forte sucks at that), much like Tolbert last year, which is really more of a flex option, if that.

    However, Romo spreads the ball around quite a bit, so it's a tough decision. In light of Dez Bryant's recent arrest though, Austin might get the slight edge.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    Sorry.... Reggie Bush.

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    ah, ok, makes more sense now. I have no idea how the auction league works, but if I had to choose between Austin and Reggie Bush, I'd probably choose Bush (depending on what I needed, and all other things being equal)

    But that's just me.

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    I have no fucking idea.

  • GP, I like that you know the route of Rt. 41. Under the Skyway ( the area of my youth). Have you traveled it?

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    I drive 41 every day
    there is a great experience
    waiting to be had as one pulls
    their roadster east on 41
    from 4 corners in Naples
    and heads to Miami and route 1......
    as you slide through
    the river of grass
    keep your eyes wide for
    the roseate spoonbills
    and pink flamingos...
    but be on the lookout
    for Billie law as you
    pass through Miccosukee territory....
    gear down if you want to save
    your yankee dollar
    for a swamp buggy or airboat ride
    or blackjack at their casino
    where 41 ends at highway1
    after that you become
    keyward or southbound

  • In reply to huntinbare:

    Huntin, what part of Florida you in?
    I do business down there on a regular basis now.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    When you get off I-75 at exit 105
    take a left and you are heading
    towards beautiful downtown Golden Gate
    stop by anytime you are in the area
    if you take a right and head to the beach
    you enter the land of the 1%rs Naples
    which is where i spend most of my life
    on the beach serving up the mail

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    I've been down that way a few times.

    I'd like to plan out a 6 week road trip using 41. Start with a Bears game at Lambeau, then a Bears home game, then a Titans home game, Falcons home game, Bucs home game, Fins home game.

    It would take some serious planning, though with the NFL schedule.

  • Hey, NewBear,

    I've been meaning to ask you if you have watched the documentary:

    "A Life Apart: Hasidism in America" ?

    It's a little older (1997), and the narrators are Leonard Nimoy and Jessica Sarah Parker (which is a little odd lol), but I found it insightful.

    It's on Netflix, but probably can be easily found on the interwebs. I think you'd enjoy it, if you haven't seen it already.

  • Its on youtube. I've seen clips before but never the whole thing. I'll try to give it a watch and get back to you.

    For what its worth, the first 10 minutes seems pretty well done. But Leonard Nimoy makes me very nervous whenever he touches anything Jewish (I'm reminded of a painting I saw of his that pictures a woman, naked, wearing tefillin on her arm, and supposedly looking angelic with her arms raised toward heaven.)

  • as i ponder jeff's question
    i wonder how much of the equation
    is dependent
    on the offensive system
    and it's coordinator
    i will leave the numbers
    up to you mathematicians
    but, it seems that martz could
    bring rogers stats down
    and tice may make cutler look
    like the second coming
    i do not believe rogers would be the rogers
    of the last 2 years if saddled up with martz
    and i do believe cutler would be the golden one
    if inserted at green bay the last 6 years

  • In reply to huntinbare:

    I think, as Bears fans, we tend to underrate Rodgers. The sob is good, and as a Packer it makes me hate him. On any other team, I'd be in his camp as the best in the league.

    But He's A Fucking Green Bay Fucking Fudge Fucking Packer.

    So, kill him, Pep. Crush him, Henry. Beat that bitch, Izzy. And Shane, *be somebody* and send that bitch to IR!

    (Shit, I feel better now)

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    Gotta agree Dave. The first time or two you think damn that guy is the luckiest SOB around. Then he does the same thing over and over. No doubt he has great talent around him and great coaching but the guy is the best out there right now.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    spending 6 years in the same system
    would allow jay to enhance his natural ability
    i believe cutler is talented and would be looked
    on and spoken of in a different tone than he is now...
    i know rogers is great, but he has had it all rolling
    in his direction; his early years on the bench, he got to see firsthand excellence in favre; and then the system was groomed towards him........cutler has been a rolling stone
    i think in two years the tables may turn for him; after he plays with this current group of recievers; as they get to know jay's tendencies we should cash in

  • Hi all....Been a bit since posts...Anyway, going to Chi for the Rams game. Anyone have an inside track on tickets? Also, lined up for the fantasy football league part 2, even though I am a rookie. Anyway, let me know. Also, what bar will be watching the afternoon/night game that will have some of you son of a (guns) in it? Would not mind having a drink with anyone of you son of a (guns). Bear Down!!

  • In reply to 505 Bears!!:

    Who is that guy?

  • In reply to 505 Bears!!:

    16 ???

  • I am me, and he is you pulling an Alice in Wonderland Caterpillar on me? Who are you?....Anyway, I follow all the time, just don't post too often. I am Rodgers Is a P***Y in the league and post here once in a great while. Don't post too often, as I have not much to

  • In reply to 505 Bears!!:

    interested in joining the auction fantasy league?

  • In reply to 505 Bears!!:

    welcome back!

  • Good article on our secondary.

    "Tim Jennings is expected to be the first team cornerback opposite Tillman when camp opens. Secondary coach Jon Hoke already said Jennings is going to be pushed by newcomer and former Indianapolis Colts teammate Kelvin Hayden, with the loser of the battle possibly given the opportunity to challenge D.J. Moore for playing time at nickel back. Jennings had an outstanding offseason, but Hayden forces more turnovers....

    Critics of Smith’s defense typically point to its Cover 2 roots, but in 2011 the club didn’t rely on its bread-and-butter coverage, instead electing to play a good amount of Cover 3, while even manning up some on the outside. That shift in philosophy -- which makes the Bears more difficult to game plan for -- puts more pressure on the safeties. But the overall athleticism of the group played a major role in the team’s decision to put the safeties in that position.

    Still, safety is the main concern in the secondary heading into 2012. Conte displayed freakish athleticism as a rookie, but finished the season on the injured reserve. Wright missed four games with injuries, and struggled with inconsistency in coverage. So the starters definitely need to show more durability, and will be pushed by Hardin and Steltz, who deserves an opportunity to compete for a starting job (he averaged nearly 10 tackles per game in five starts), but likely won’t receive it."

  • Trumaine McBride put his Chicago house up for sale, and supposedly isn't living in the area anymore. I would take that as a sign that he thinks he won't make the cut.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Sorry, my bad. McBride was waived a long time ago. I missed that. Jags waived him at the end of last season. I think his NFL days might be over.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    That sure sounds like McBride is gone.

    I thought Steltz out-performed Wright last year (as the article implies). 8 tackles per game for a safety isn't too shabby.

    And considering that all our other Safeties had some sort of injury issue, Steltz to me seems like a safe choice (pun intended).

    HOWEVER. Steltz started in games against teams with questionable QBs (Chiefs, Seahawks, Broncos, Vikes...), so I'm not sure how he would hold up against a more pass happy attack.

    Steltz did record 6 tackles against GB in 2011, but GB scored 35 points in that game, and probably could have scored more.

    As such, I know Lovie will favor Wright, but by now I count on him getting injured, and I'd much rather have Wright at the end of the season and the playoffs than at the start. (though he did injure himself on SP Teams too one year, so there's that).

    As for Hardin, well, he's a rookie CB converting to S, so we shouldn't expect much. Still, with the amount of injuries our Safeties experience, Hardin's athleticism and Lovie's inclination to throw rookie Safeties into the fire (Conte, Wright, Afalava, Payne and Manning if I remember correctly), we may very well see Hardin later in the year.

  • If Steltz had Wright athleticism, we'd be set. It's a safe bet Hardin will ge in there at some point. I'm looking forward to seeing him.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    And if the Queen had ballz she'd be the King. Steltz and Stax need to go.

  • In reply to Shady:

    Steltz is always where he should be. We would have been screwed without him last year. No need to rush him off the roster. Not sure who Stax is.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    False. Steltz is a solid special teams player and plays the run well, but is not always where he should be in coverage. Maybe it's because of his lack of athleticism but he was caught out of position last seaosn.

    Stax. AKA Pringles. AKA Major Penis. AKA Wajor Wrong. I don't like the way he tackles with his head down and I haven't seen consistancy in coverage. I do have high hopes for Hardin however, he could add some much needed talent to the secondary.

  • In reply to Shady:

    We'll have to agree to disagree on Steltz. I think he's a good backup. Totally agree about Pringles.

  • In reply to Shady:

    I'm sure Jerry Rice ate Deion Sanders lunch on occasion Shady, but if Urlacher says the guy is never out of position then I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. We have competition at safety which is good, and #4 is a physical freak for a safety almost. We also have competition at LT for the first time, also good. I believe in Emery and Tice, it'll be all right on the night. First job is the execution of Green Bay in front of their fans. An absolute annihilation job where Lambeau is left stunned.

  • In reply to Shady:

    Irish, I'd rather leave that last part for the NFC Championship game. In Lambeau. Revenge for the ages, served cold.

  • I still think there's an outside chance that the staff are looking at either Hardin or McClellin to take over from Brian, cos they sure haven't drafted any LBs to do the job - and as we know, we're picking last next year so no chance of the top LB there.

    Steltz was the guy other than Jennings who is quitely on the upgrade. Urlacher said Steltz is never in the wrong place. That'll do for me. We're looking okay at safety going forward.

    On the thread issue of the top three offenses the following thought occurred to me watching that 'season in six minutes thing' (which I thought would be all the TDs). You take away one of the top two guys on either the Lions or the Packers, and you can basically stickj a fork in their season. Imagine the Packers without Rodgers, or Jennings/Finley. Imagine Detroit without CJ - what kind of an offense are they then? But you take away Cutler, or one of Marshall/Forte and we could still win games. We could easily lose Forte and not miss a beat. Marshall could go down and we have multiple weapons in place, and AJ to get his baptism of fire. Even Cutty could be replaced now, by a tall big-armed QB.

    Bin the kool-aid, this is cigar time.

  • irish, Hardin could definitely be a middle linebacker....on a highschool team. no more crack for you!

  • In reply to Waffle:


    Hardin's frame is maxed out I think, so not sure if he could transition to MLB unless he grow an inch or his pelvis grows wider.

    McClellin def seems like a future candidate for LB. The coaches keep telling us he's a DE and played DE 50% of the time at Boise. Well, by my math, that means that the other 50% he played LB. Also, these are the same coaches who "assured" us that Olsen was great, Rex was our QB, and Hester was a PB WR, so I don't believe their insistance that McClellin is strictly viewed as a DE.

    Methinks that they protest too much.

    OR, it could very well be that Lovie and gang believe their own BS, but Emery has different a Sith Lord plotting for future years.

  • I wouldn't be surprised if that wasn't part of Emery's thinking. If the team shits the bed this year, Lovie's gone. The new guy might be a proponent of the 3-4. Who knows? Hopefullly we don't find out.

  • Exactly, the more they say he's "definitely" not going to be a LB makes think he definitely is.

  • In reply to Waffle:

    Urlacher was a safety ......

  • Urlacher was a "Lobo-back", a Strong Safety Linebacker Hybrid stacked in the box at almost all times and he played at over 240lbs.

    He was a freak of nature and gained 15lbs of muscle before the NFL combine on his 6'4 frame.

    Brandon not shaped in the mold of future hall of famer Brian Urlacher.

  • still got slots in the fantasy auction league!

  • In reply to DYLbear23:

    Am I in that one yet? I can never keep track until the season starts.

  • Ok, broken record time.

    I LOVE the following moves this off season:
    • BMarshall
    • JCampbell
    • Bush
    • Jeffrey

    But once again for the FIFTH fucking year in a row, what are our two weak spots?!?!?!?

    • OlIne
    • Safety

    Lovie HAS to be behind this, he HAS to for fuck’s sake man. It’s fucking frustrating and infuriating.

    I'll eat my words if the line works and Hardin is the second coming of MB himself... but I haven't been wrong once on those two yet.

  • i have been pondering this for several wks.
    with our improved ability to score
    i am thinking teams will be forced
    to play some catch up during games this year
    our secondary, especially safeties will have
    much more pressure put on them
    they will be a key to our success
    stopping the pass will have to be the major focus
    going forward in future drafts....
    i hope we have multiple lineman who are effective
    because fatigue will be a factor as they are forced
    to rush instead of playing the run

  • In reply to huntinbare:

    Solid analysis, huntin. Stopping the pass is all about pressure as you point out, and (I just now realized) why I've had this unformulated but still rather strong notion in my head that McClellin "being somebody" is going to be an important cog in team success.

    Or *somebody* to step up across from Pep.

  • for those who were calling for it
    the head of the snake has been lopped off

  • have a freind who called up
    and expressed their discontent
    with directv's inability to reach a contract
    with viacom; therefore losing 26 channels
    the end result of haggling
    they now have NFL ticket for free

  • Oh those wacky Lions...

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:


  • In reply to Waffle:

    Nothing says "I really want to enter that diversion program" like partying at 2 am, hitting parked cars and then pointing your probably unregistered handgun at people.

    The organization is rotten from the top down.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    jebus .....MBP..It's like a train wreck in slowmo...... you just can't keep watching and wondering if there is an end to all of it....damn!

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    They have a head coach who can't control himself on the field...and I may be misremembering, but a guy in the FO that drove through Wendy's butt naked one night?
    I think it will take a change in ownership to stop the nonsense.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    The guy you're thinking of is Joe Cullen. He's a DL coach for the Jags. I think he was Marinelli's son in law at one time.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    you're right - Me lazy today....

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Cullen was on Marinelli's staff when he did the drive through. He now is with the Jags. Last post wasn't very clear.


  • So glad we have players like Garza and not a bunch of jack-asses like the Meows.

    Here's a link just for you MB, or anyone else who is grinding their teeth over the Oline.

    "This offseason, TCBOOST regularly led Garza, Chris Williams, Lance Louis, Chris Spencer and Ricky Henry through Friday exercises focused on explosive movements and a handful of position-specific drills.

    Left tackle J’Marcus Webb sometimes joined them, and right tackle Gabe Carimi came often after he was cleared to work out by Bears trainers.

    ‘‘The whole workout is geared around helping offensive linemen be faster and be in a better position to make a block,’’ Tommy Christian said. ‘‘We’ll do a lot of work with reaction. And if they recover a fumblerooski, we want them to score.’’

    TCBOOST staff tracked the improvement of the regulars, and Tommy Christian is confident it’ll be evident next week.

    ‘‘I think what we do is extremely specific, and it should be noticeable in the way they practice and play,” he said. ‘‘The coaches will see it, and the fans will see it.’’

    At the very least, they're not getting arrested and working their asses off. Let's hope it pays off.

  • Prime, perform, recover:

  • In reply to Shady:

    You just know those are healthy doughnuts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • If the Lions mgmt continues to do nothing, they get what they deserve. I realize it's tough to take a stand against players that you're counting on but at some point you either have a backbone or you don't. Right now their mgmt seems to have the backbone of a jellyfish. About what you'd expect.

  • Is that a round being chambered that I hear when I log on?

  • I'm thinking to myself about this year the following: "Which player has the most pressure to perform?" "Which player, if injured, would most decimate our team?" "Which player has no contingency plan?"

    On the offense, losing Cutler or Forte would be horrible, but we have solid backups in those spots if we get stuck. Webb or one of the other O-line guys is arguably key, but we're not really expecting to win on the strength of the line anyway. And Marshall, though game changing when playing, is not our only scoring weapon (Cutler scored pretty well without him on our way to 7-3).

    On defense, we've got several guys who can rush the QB, even if Peppers is the biggest threat. We've got a rotating bunch at safety, so not sure a change there breaks us. We've got some solid guys at nickelback who can also be the #2. But I see two major weaknesses when I look at our team.

    We must have a healthy Lach and a healthy Peanut. No Peanut means Calvin Johnson catches for 200 yards. No Lach means AP runs for 200 yards or Finley catches 10 passes in the middle of the field. Those are the guys that don't have solid talent waiting on the bench. If they don't perform, or if they go down, we will feel it more than anywhere else.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    I agree on Lach and Peanut. Especially the former as the fall-off would be a lot more than TEs down the middle.

    While hopefully it won't matter as much as in the past now that we have Marshall and Jeffrey (more TDs and less reliance on FGs), I think losing Robbie Gould would hurt the Bears more than many would believe. Kicking big field goals in Soldier Field in winter is not something just anyone can do.

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