Pending Questions as Bears Enter OTAs

Pending Questions as Bears Enter OTAs

I'm back. I'm not thrilled about it but I am back and returning to my daily duties.

The Bears begins OTAs tomorrow and while not much drama/news is expected to emerge over the three sessions taking place between now and the seventh of June, there are still questions to be answered when it comes to the make of this talented roster. Here are a few.

WHO IS PLAYING WHERE ALONG THE OFFENSIVE LINE?

Is Edwin Williams really a front-runner for a starting guard position? Are the Bears seriously, as per Brad Biggs' hypothesis, considering moving Chris Williams back out to tackle? Is J'Marcus Webb in danger of losing his starting position before the team arrives in Bourbonnais in July? Is Gabe Carimi fully healthy? How Mike Tice and Lovie Smith decide to line up their boys this week may provide some clues as to how they'd love to start the season. (My vote: Webb-Chris Williams-Garza-Spencer-Carimi.)

HOW DOES THE RECEIVING CORPS SHAKE UP BEYOND BRANDON MARSHALL?

Devin Hester is not going to have a 100 catches. Brandon Marshall, if healthy, is. He is going to be Jay Cutler's first look on just about every drop back and anyone who thinks/says otherwise is trying to sell you something. But how will the remainder of the receiving corps look? If Hester slides naturally into the slot as a speed threat where does that leave Earl Bennett? Will Alshon Jeffery spend his first season as a specialty target in the red zone or become a big-ticket, 50+ catch complement to Marshall? Is there any shot of a Johnny Knox sighting in 2012 and does Jay Cutler have any interest in his return if he were healthy enough to do so? Marshall is the sure thing. The rest are questions with potentially brilliant answers as the Bears enter the 2012 campaign with one of the most dynamic receiving corps they've ever had.

HOW DO THE ROOKIES FACTOR?

This is always the most interesting information to trickle down from OTAs. What kind of impression will Shea McClellin make on Rod and the defensive coaching staff? Will Brandon Hardin challenge the back of the defensive secondary in a meaningful way? Will Evan Rodriguez do his best Aaron Hernandez impression and impact the Bears base offense? Did the Bears find a steal on the draft's final day? We won't know the answers to these questions in OTAs but we'll start to hear rumblings.

WHO ARE THE STARTING DEFENSIVE TACKLES?

My buddy Adam Oestmann believes the Bears are poised to give Stephen Paea a larger role in the rotation and pair the beast of an athlete beside Henry Melton to begin the 2012 season. I tend to agree with him. But how the position shakes out is surely one of the more interesting questions facing this defense.

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  • First to say, "Welcome back!"

  • So many questions. I just hope most of them are answered by week 3 this year instead of week 7 or 8. I'm gonna be some kinda disappointed if the Bears don't get it together early on this season.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    This year, there will not be the excuse of trying to get a collective bargaining agreement and having a late camp start.

  • Fucking BOOOOOM!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24mTIE4D9JM

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    that is going to be awesome.

  • Hells yes. fucking love 007 maings. First one I saw with my dad was The Spy Who Loved Me.

    Had the little toy lotus that went in the bath with me every night... fired the little orange missiles from the back of the car at my brother all the time. Fuck Bond is good stuff.

    Equal parts womanizer/misogynist, intellectual, world traveler, kick-ass action figure.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I really like Daniel Craig as Bond. His portrayal in Casino Royale was colder and more ruthless than any other Bond actor.

    And to me, it fits better - after all, 007 is above all things a paid killer. You know, "licensed to kill" and all that.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    100% agree dave.

    I really like Craig. Best bond since Roger moore... although he could beat out moore, because moore was NOT an athlete at all. Not sure if that makes a difference.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    Yep - I like him a lot more than the bon vivant Moore.

    And we're not going to talk about Timothy Dalton. Nope.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    oh jesus, I was really hoping no one was going to bring him up. please don't... ever again.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I'd like to shake and stir Ashley Bond, I can tell you that.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    picture link please my good man.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    duh, never mind... just looked over. Good one.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    btw, she already looks shaken and stirred in that picture.

  • Good to have you back Jeff. Hope it was a great vacation. All great points. I think we're going to like the answers.

  • Has the season started yet?

    Did we get a shout out for the death of disco this last week? R.I.P. Donna Summer, the first lady of all things disco, and Robin Gibb.

  • While not wishing any ill on its participants at all levels, I cannot say that I miss the passing of the genre.

  • I'll take disco over 99.999 % of the crap that passed off as music today.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwuCJznewFw

  • Jeff - Good to have you back. And to have the blog load in less than 10 seconds...

    A couple of important questions you missed.

    1) How does Kellen Davis look catching passes? The Bears paid him a nice one year contract to give him a chance to be the elite TE. Is Cutty liking him?

    2) How do all the backups look for our front 7? We've got some elite guys all over the D-line and at LB, but depth is a concern. How much will our team suffer if the defense sees a couple of injuries?

    3) A couple of UDFAs impressed last week. How will they compare to the vets once OTAs start?

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    I've come to realize over the last 3 years NB, that your #2 is what makes or breaks SB runs more than anything else.

    A team can only have so many start, so unless you have a GM who's strategy is to build great depth every year (sadly ted Thompson is one of those guys) injuries is THE factor that will make or break your season. I'm not even talking about the horror that was our starting QB and RB last year... I'm talking about losing one or two guys at key spots.

    What happens to our chances next year if we were to lose Carimi and williams again, plus Briggsy and peanut on D for the year?

    We HAVE to have an injury year like 2010 this year if we want to make it to the show. Angelo's putrid drafting for 10 years will plague this team's SB chances for years to come.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    stars

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    and 'loosing'... sorry, in a rush and being sloppy today.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I know this is a touchy subject MB but I was really happy to see Angelee go not because of his draft record but because he was not a winner. My view is and was, he simply was not good enough to take the Bears where they needed to go, as opposed to sucking. There is a difference. Also, the guys didn't respect him. By guys I mean, staff and players. If you look at his draft record objectively, it was better than over 65% of the other GM's during his tenure. I'm hoping Emery has the "it" factor which is what so many GM's lack. If Emery doesn't produce a SB winner within 3 years, I will strongly consider moving him into the "Angelee" category on my bookshelf, right next to the shit can. .

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    I can accept that Trac. Mediocrity is for orgs like the fucking bengals and chargers.

    It's just a sham that the NFL Chicago Bears don't have at least as many if not double what the fudge have. I blame the McCaskeys. Acceptance of mediocrity comes from the top down sir.

  • 1. Lance Louis will end up the starting right tackle for the Chicago bears for a majority of the season. Carimi’s knee will not hold up, most unfortunately. I’ve said it all along and I really wish I was wrong, but that thing is already toast… shit, it may have been done coming out of college (thanks Jerr!)

    If by some miracle Carimi’s knee holds up, it would seem that this is our best possible line up given what we saw last year before injuries set in:

    LT - Carimi (yeah, we keep being told he’s a RT in the pros, but you telling me a guy who played all LT in college and is a 1st round stud is worse than jamarcus fucking webb!??! Child please!) ((Webb EMERGENCY back up only)
    LG – Chris Williams (Edwin Williams back up)
    C – Garza (spencer back up)
    RG – Chris Spencer (Edwin Williams back up)
    RT – Lance Louis (Carimi back up)

    2. Earl Bennett catches footballs… ALL footballs… thrown in even his reasonably immediate proximity… period. Not having him on the field at all times as a #3 is just dumb. Hester can come in for specific packages, but to have him out there instead of The Pearl on a normal, every-down basis would be moronic. Jackass is done too. At the very least for this year. I’d love to have him back as an outside speed package guy, but he’s not coming back this year. PUP his ass. (ps. He’s a much better speed/package choice than hester ever will be, cause guess what…. He’s just as fast and is…. Wait for it… an actual trained fucking wide receiver who can catch big balls. Just don’t play him ANYWHERE over the middle ((martz you fucking cuntbag)) and he will make huge plays on a regular basis… next year, when he MIGHT be able to come back.

    3. Big Country BETTER make a fucking game one impact… he was out FIRST ROUND pick right? That’s what FIRST ROUND picks are supposed to do right? that’s what emery is betting his good name on. I feel pretty confident in mcclelin… not at all confident about another white safety that missed an entire year with his 3rd upper extremity injury in as many years. Did we really just use our 3rd round pick on a special teams guy???? No idea about Rodriguez either, hope he does something… anything. He’ll either be a throw-away, or a big ass find.

    4. Yeah, anything decent happen with the guys picked after hardin will be a gift.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    oh yeah, and Jeffery is going to be last year's AJ Green for cutty.

    BOOM! That just happened. Mark it in your day planners ladies.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    And I second your comments about Bennett. But no reciever can play every snap. Bennett is a smart vet now and he's capable of taking snaps at the X and Z positions if Marshall or Jeffery is off the field. We'll need someone else at slot on those plays. Plus Bennett will need to get off the field sometimes as well, and that's where the speed options can step in. And there's always the 4 and 5 reciever sets.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    With both you guys, actually. Ya'll know I really like Earl's game, exactly for the reason you mentioned, MB. He CATCHES THE BALL, which (amazingly) does not seem to always register as Job #1 for pass receivers with some analysts and fans.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    Absolutely, the combination of Bennett and Hester both being able to come in and play the slot is a very nice option to have.

    One, an awesome possession receiver but not a huge YAC threat.
    The other, a threat to break one for a TD every time he gets the ball in one-on-one versus a safety or nickelback.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    The O-line stuff has been discussed. Tice will try a lot of different options out in camp including CW at tackle, GC at left tackle, EW all over the middle, LL all over except at left tackle. It'll be an interesting camp - we're actually pretty set everywhere but left tackle.

    Wouldn't be surprised to see Spencer cut for cap reasons. Edwin Williams is supposed to be the next Center prospect (and he's shown himself to have some decent skills at guard). And we've got a lot of guys that can play guard. I could see Spencer getting cut as a move toward the young guys like EW and LL.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    You sound angry to me MB. Lack of poon?

  • ...you'll find out soon enough you poor bastard.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    (RUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUN!)

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    1. Absolutely Gabe should be at LT if no-one believes in Webb ... and Cutty clearly does not, after semi-throwing him under the bus recently.
    Edwin should be starting over either CW or CS though, preferably have the Williamses at guard, with Lance at RT. Keep Spencer and Webb on the bench as backups for C/G and T.

    2. If Hester comes on the field, it needs to be on the outside, that's where he's dangerous - as pointed out by Marshall in his recent defense of the windy city flyer. It's also pertinent to point out that Marshall wasn't waxing about Bennett as much as he was gushing over Hester. Earl's not a weapon, he's a faithful mutt ... but if Devin slips through the cracks, he's gone.

    Is AJ ready to go on the outside from week one though? If he doesn't know his playbook I don't want him hanging Cutty out to dry a la Johnny Knox. Beast and Hester on the outside, Earl in the slot ... until AJ earns his stripes. He's a rookie receiver, I'm not expecting much in year one.

    3. If they like McClellin half as much as they made out, then he'll have an impact. I think our D-line will be better just from our offensive drives lasting longer,and we'll have guys to rotate in. Plus, we'll be scoring so many points on offense that teams will have to pass it on us. Fresh legs = motoring DEs.

    E-rod could prove to be an awesome pick. He's a very good lead blocker who can turn your run-front into a pass-package lickety split. If you see the Bears line up in a double TE set with Beast mode out wide, E-Rod in at H-back and Bush in the backfield, as a defense you're thinking run ... safeties come into the box thinking there's a lot of very big men on the field and that this could hurt. Cutty fakes the handoff to Bush, who runs out into the flat, E-Rod has gone the other way ... and all of a sudden the defense are looking at two 6'7 TEs, Brandon Marshall .... and two big backs who can catch the ball ... with a big muscular QB who isn't afraid to run it, sprinting out to his right. Once all of our guys are into the secondary, everyone on defense is outmatched. You're a defender, what do you do?

    4. Receivers are getting bigger, TEs are in vogue, DBs need to follow suit. I like Hardin as a pick.

  • Bears sniffing around Kellen Winslow, Jr.?

    He IS a stud...when he feels like it.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    was wondering when you'd show up Al. Getting hot in your hood yet?

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/chicago-tough/2012/04/dick-butkus-interviews-new-chicago-bears-draft-pick-shea-mcclellin/

    Jesus... smh

  • Only if you consider 105 "hot'.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    ouch

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Hey, it's THE DESERT. Them that don't like it is free to move to North Dakota, Montana, Idaho or other places where they only have Winter and 4th Of July.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    I'll take the heat over the cold any day of the week Al.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Al,

    I just got back in town from a week long trip in Tucson. Made me realize why I moved to Nebraska.

    That "dry heat" sucks all the water out of you. I felt like a freaking sluggish gila monster the whole time.

    Played golf @ 49ers for $12. Worst conditions ever. No grass whatsoever. Hitting off the fairway was like hitting off sandy casino carpet.

    Tucson is only acceptable from October to March.

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    It 's a DRY heat.

    Like a blowtorch.

    2 tourists died of heatstroke over the weekend.

    And I am NOT kidding.

  • hey shady... stick with me kid: http://money.cnn.com/2012/05/21/markets/facebook-stock/index.htm?hpt=hp_t2

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Lotta greedy folks got Zuckerberg'd today, luckily I wasn't one of 'em.

  • In reply to Shady:

    How are FB going to make money and justify $100B ?? 800 million users?? So what? How do you get money out of them?

    Advertising, and selling off people's data is going to sustain a high share price?

  • It's all about the bigger sucker theory. "Yes, I'm a sucker pays $x for Facebook, but there will be a bigger sucker later on that will pay be $2x for it."

    How else can you explain things like SalesForce.com (iirc) once selling with a 550 F/E ratio?

  • Google makes the vast majority of its money from those two markets (advertising and data-mining). Those are huge industries.

    But we advertise on google and facebook. Google ads work, and if you manage them properly are a good investment. Facebook ads (for a law firm anyway) are a waste of money so far. I do wonder if something like sneakers or a restaurant would have more luck on FB, but for me, I saw this FB flop a mile away.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    me too NB. That's what I told Shady the night before they went out. Not interested.

    unless you set up a pay for use model right out of the gate you'll never get users to pay. It gets into the whole argument of would FB have been able to grow as big as fast without being free argument, but in the end none of it matters. All of the people who set it up this way did so to get what they got last week... no one else matters.

    Specific to FB, it's a place where people go to be nosey about/with their buddies... you have to come up with a way to monetize that without being invasive and with adding value to the experience. Tough to do when you’re just hocking stuff... specifically when you set up a ridiculously unattainable valuation.

  • "...I was one of the people trying to hold the van back"

    http://www.cnn.com/video/?hpt=hp_t2#/video/us/2012/05/21/bts-nato-summit-police-van.cnn

    Darwin award contestant?

  • Jeff me boy, welcome back! Vacation good? MB, hope you're wrong on the Carimi thing. I think he can come back, his injury was not as severe as Columbo's. If his knee is not fully healed then left tackle is out of the question for him. I really think that the O line is the one thing we all are most concerned about. I can't wait to see how it all shakes out and if a scheme change cures our problems. It's getting close and I can not wait to see our passing game. MBP, try the red loctite, that may take care of that problem.

  • this is good: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DnKOc6FISU

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Good video MB. I used to shoot hoops at a school across the street, and this janitor would sneak out sometimes and play games of 21. He was in his 40's, but he schooled me every time. He'd keep some games close, but at crunch time I couldn't stop him. I'm sure he could dunk, but he never did to be nice. The guy could shoot from anywhere and had some major hops. He was only about 6', but always wondered if he played D1.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    ha. awesome.

  • CB - thanks for the tip on the bike dealer website...I'll start shopping now, and perhaps I'll have picked one out by the fall.

    Murph - I'm going to try the Red Loctite! Thanks!

  • Anyone interested in Kellen Winslow?

    We were before the draft.

  • Nope - don't need to sign a guy that will spend half the year on IR.

  • TE Dallas Clark, who visited Tampa's facility last week, is expected to sign with team as early as today.

  • I'd give up a 4th or so for winslow, as long as he doesn't bring his motorcycle, or his opinionated ass father to Chi.

  • I would not.

  • Michael Winslow? The man of 1,000 sound effects from Police Academy?

    I'm for it.

  • holy shit... check out the totally delusional broncos fan at the bottom: http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7952011/nfl-trade-deadline-key-issue-offseason

    Dude... it was his NECK!!!! You should be hoping he doesn't die on the field during a game. SB????? Really????

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Remember, MB30, this is the same fan base that cheered the departure of Jay Cutler by wearing adult diapers to Invesco.

    And that same year, the Denver paper was projecting a Super Bowl victory only six games into the season.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    ...and who thought tebow was going to lea....

    ...never mind, I think we all get it.

  • Keeping up a long tradition of Detroit knuckleheads, Titus Young got himself booted from OTAs for sucker punching Louis Delmas in practice.

    Classy organization, dem Lions.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    that org is SO brutal. So glad I'm not a detroit fan. So so glad.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Remember that when we start bitching about Lovie...

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    As much as LDL drives me nuts with game management decisions, I don't see any scenario where I'd prefer the Schwartz regime. The guy has no control over his team (or himself for that matter) and is pretty smug for having prepped his team to get smoked in their one playoff appearance.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    agree.

    lovie is still a dolt.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    butbutbut the Lesbian isn't a a bad guy!

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d829400ad/article/lions-matt-stafford-gives-mnf-package-to-patient-family?module=HP11_headline_stack

    Shame that on the field he's a massive douche who's gonna have his arm wrestled out of its socket by a Big Country Pepper. At least that kid will get to see it live.

    side note, this was the top two comments when I viewed the page:

    "He's a good guy that Matt Stafford. What a Legend on and off the field."

    "The game needs more people like Stafford."

    Yeah we have enough Walter Peytons thanks, please give us some more Staffords *sigh*

    "

  • In reply to DYLbear23:

    yeah, great guy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeGUrodle38

    Cunt.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Hah! I forgot what an absolute demolition that game was.
    DJ Moore fucking lit him up!

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I posted the link to the highlights a few threads back. You mean you don't read everyone of my posts? Haji for that!

    I could watch that game a 100 times and never get sick of it. Pure joy.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Hanging my head...
    For that, I'll let you finish better than third in one of our free-for-all matches...

    Halalalalalalalalalalalalalalalal!

  • ooohhhhh...glitchy...glitchy...glitchy...glitchy......

    http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/bears/post/_/id/4676150/garrett-wolfe-to-play-for-cfls-alouettes

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    No doubt, Garrett was one of Jerra's biggest swing and misses. Then Lovie compounded the error by giving him way more playing time than he should have. I can remembers saying to myself every time he was on the field, "this guy sucks".

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    Your memory sucks.

    Wolfe hardly played any RB, and was the best gunner on ST that we had, better than C. Graham.

    I know it's fashionable to rag on the smurf, esp. after his bar brawl or whatever, but the little guy played with big heart.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    He was a third-rounder, while Corey was a fifth in the same draft.
    And in the final year of their rookie contracts, Wolfe had 18 special teams tackles while CG had 25 (!).
    So, I appreciate that Wolfe was a good ST player, but the guy was not drafted in the 3rd round to be a mediocre backup running back and decent gunner. I don't think the stats back up the assertion that he was a better gunner than Graham; hell, Brian Iwuh had identical numbers on ST to Wolfe, and he was an undrafted FA out of college. I don't even think he lasted two years on the roster.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    He wasn't the Dave Meggett scat back that everybody thought he would be. But he also played through some of the horrid years of OL, and did what he could against a line so porous, it got Forte injured that year.

    If you want giant 3rd round bust, Wolfe was taken 93rd overall in '07. With the VERY NEXT pick, Glitchy selected Michael Okwo. There's a bust for you.

    With pick 100, the Raidah's picked Michael Bush. There was the pick Glitchy shoulda made. That or Jermon Bushrod at 125th overall.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Fair enough on the OL - those last two years were horrendous.
    Okwo...that's what we get for drafting a Brit to play linebacker.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I could give a rip about what's fashionable or not GP, as a running back he sucked. He might have been great in college but he was a waste of a 3rd round pick. Is he your 2nd cousin? What gives? Evra time he could handed the ball I found my self on the edge of my seat hoping for a 2 yard pickup instead of being tackled behind the line of scrimmage. The guy had 282 yards rushing with the Bears. Really worth a 3rd round pick huh?

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    Interestingly, Michael Bush was drafted in the 4th round a few spots below Wolfe.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    Interestingly, I already said that.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    That 2007 rushing attack...ugh.
    Him at 2.7 YPC, and both Ced Benson and AP at 3.4...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UY4LvTv_83E

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Yeah but, his whole career he would pop off one good run a year and average about 2.0 a carry or less every time he was handed the ball. At the end of the day, he was still a wasted draft pick.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    Ok, then.

    Even WITH the benefit of hindsight, pull up the 2007 draft and scroll down to 94:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_NFL_Draft

    Take Bush and Podlesh out of there on the "hindsight is too easy on that" rule, and tell me who you would have picked.

    If you go down far enough, you can have Nenee of the Chargers or Kevin Boss or Brent Celek.

    But there was a LOT of trash in that mix. Again, when Wolfe ran the ball, we were not setup to allow him to succeed. We had terrible blocking that year, 2009, and he still averaged 5.0 a carry.

    Like I said, if you want a 3rd round bust, pick Okyo or any number of other 3rd rounders that shit the bed. But when you hammer a guy who did nothing but hustle while a Bear - and who ran behind an OL for a 7-9 team, it diminishes the argument that he sucked.

  • Pretty lame Q & A from Chicken Dinner. I sure hope he plays better than he interviews.

    http://www.chicagobears.com/news/NewsStory.asp?story_id=8825

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    yeah, kinda lame... but I love the nickname Chicken Dinner.

    Classic.

  • The lawsuits keep piling up. It's beginning to look like a runaway train.

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/05/21/eric-dickerson-joins-concussion-lawsuit-against-the-nfl/

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    More like a runaway band wagon.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    I think Dickerson gave more concussions than he ever got.

  • Was listening to Hub on the Score this evening. Have to say that I'm really hoping the rather large group of cornerbacks we've brought in this year produces at least one solid, young starting CB. Ideally, we need two guys who can play a wideout on the edge in addition to Peanut - otherwise when Peanut does start to decline (which could be another 2-3 years, but will happen eventuall) we're scrambling again. But for this year, right now, we must find our #2. Let's hope we've got him.

    Same comment for the safety position. I hope our latest 3rd rounder works out.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    Hardin looks like a rangy, hard hitting SS type in the Anti-Plank Weapon mold.

    Hardin and Pringles are my favorites to emerge as the starting tandem. Pringles break too easily, but his play was solid before getting hurt again.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    For those newer to DBB:

    Steltz has the nickname Anti-Plank Weapon for going for a killshot on a wideout, missing, and hitting Peanut - cracking Peanut's rib and partially deflating his lung.

    Plank killed OPPOSING players. Anti-Plank kills his own players.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I worry a lot about hardin's viability. Dude's been injured more than not and he didn't play all of last year.

    He without a doubt looks like a very formidable athamaleet, but we'll see... He's no fucking Mike Brown.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    It might be another decade before we see an athlete with the instincts and ability of Brown play safety for the Bears.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    agree... do you know how sad that makes me? Fuck man.

  • Big if but if the Seahawks can get everyone to play up to their potential then they could have a scary team.

  • You never know, but Pete Carrol is the guy who will get it done. Could see them running their division hard this year.

  • In reply to DYLbear23:

    agree with both of you

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Pete Carrol molests collies.

  • that may be true.

    I told my good buddy, who's hawks fan, that I think carol can turn it around for them.... may take a few years but he's a good coach. Batshit crazy, but a good coach.

    So, has the little missus tried to scalp the coach nads yet? becareful my man it is coming.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    If their QB can play like he did for GreenBay...

    If their WR can play like he did for Minnesota..

    If their RB can keep playing at a high level after his new contract...

    and hell their defense is confusing.. I can't name really any of their players but I know it is a solid group. Top ten defense last year.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    DaCoach's Nutsack is in tip top shape MB.

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    If Tice brings back his RT-LT-RG-C-RT OLine he should be fired on the spot.

    At least put the guys in their natural positions. There should be at least 4 guys (Garza included) starting in their role next season. If you don't bring in at least 1 free agent lineman that means you have some sort of plan to make it work.

    This joke of a line RT-LT-RG-C-RT is not a plan. That's for sure.

    Still can't understand why they didn't bring Geoff Schwartz for pennies. He can play RG & RT at medium/high level. He instead will make the Vikings so much better.

    Williams-Louis-Garza-Schwartz-Carimi would have been a Top 20 Oline adn it gave you options like moving Carimi to LT and bring Spencer in (Carimi-Louis-garza-Spencer-Schwartz). How about picking from good options instead of picking options just to survive another snap.

    Mihai (Romania)

  • In reply to Barb Mar:

    Mike, your choir is here.

    Hi.

  • In reply to Barb Mar:

    Let's look at your comment for a minute (which I think is rather clever).

    RT - Webb is not an elite LT and probably never will be. But RT is not the same as "not a very good LT," there is a somewhat different skill set. I think Webb is really more of a swing guy (capable at LT and RT, but not an ideal starter). We're not playing a RT at LT, we're playing without a starting LT. Our backup is starting the season - which isn't ideal, but its not like Webb will light it up if he gets moved elsewhere.

    LT - Nobody seems to remember that Chris Williams was not a good LT. 2011 was really his first good year and that was mainly due to his being outstanding in run support as a pulling guard. That's an awesome skill on a team with Matt Forte at RB, but its not a LT skill. CW is not strong in pass coverage; not a guy you want at LT.

    RG - Garza isn't a bad center. There weren't a lot of botched snaps last year or anything like that, and he's decent at blocking in the middle, which is not unlike a RG. Just because Spencer was a center before he came here doesn't mean Garza isn't better.

    C - Spencer is our backup center. Garza is considered better so he starts. Spencer is playing guard instead of being on the bench. IMHO he should be on the bench, but not because he can play center. He should be on the bench because he's not a very good guard and we have younger, cheaper players who are arguably just as good.

    RT - I agree, Carimi is a RT. He'll stay there and the right side will be a position of strength this year. Forte's runs will break that way 60-70% of the time, but hopefully the left side will be good enough that teams can't just pile on the one side.

    Don't forget we also brought in Chilo Rachal to play guard - he's probably as good as Schwartz for veteran depth.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    Oh, I don't know about "nobody remembers"...he was pretty terrible at LT after Pace retired. I don't know how many times Irish has said, "but he shut down Jared Allen one on one", but that's one game. The rest of his body of work at LT that year was mediocre and he was terrible as a starter at the beginning of the next season.
    I think it's highly likely that Spencer won't survive training camp from what others on here and observing OTAs have said, since I don't think he'll start and there have to be much cheaper and younger options on the open market for backup guards.
    I agree with everyone else that Carimi will stay and start at RT, assuming he holds up medically speaking. I hope when it's all said and done that he is the last vestige of Jerry's legacy of taking medical question marks in the first round.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    What about Gabe makes him unable to play LT?

    I would think he's gotta be better than Webb... Hell, I think Angelo would be better than Webb.

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    I don't think it's so much that he's not an upgrade over Webb as he has a chance to be a special guy at RT. He graded out as a RT under every scouting report that I looked at last year. If I get motivated, I'll go pull some of them up to get the details. There was some talk about letting him settle in at RT for awhile last year and then moving him to LT when he was ready, but the knee injury derailed all of that. I guess the theory is that it's better to have a very good RT and a mediocre LT than it is to have an average LT and a mediocre RT?

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Sadly, the 'Minnesota Shutdown' does indeed appear to be his one shining moment. My feeling has always been, "If he could do it once......" but perhaps there is more to the medical side of things to this than we know about. Ditto Carimi.

  • I'm a little worried about that wrist injury..
    You know, I've thought about it a bit and I'm not sure why he never was able to duplicate his play against Allen or if the Hillbilly was just having an off night. It's one of the mysteries of the last couple of years. I honestly thought he'd play like gangbusters the next year as the starting LT but he crapped the bed completely and fully.
    That being said, he was no worse than Pace was the year before.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    I agree that Spencer should be on the bench. Disagree on Garza playing the middle well though. When neither Spencer nor Garza could get themselves rated higher than 30th best center in the league any year they've played the position ... one has to be concerned. It's crazy to have your backup center playing guard beside the center (who is a guard) - I know Edwin can play center, but he should be our LG. This insane sentence harks back to Romanian Bear's excellent first sentence. Sheesh.

    Webb was rated the worst RT in the NFL when he played there, I don't know where he was rated as LT last year. Bueller?

  • Where are you getting that Garza was the 30th center? That makes no sense Irish. He was a pro-bowl alternate last year, and definitely the most consistent and best player on the line.

    Do you have manure for brains?

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    In reply to NewBearInTown:

    Chilo Rachal is boom or bust game tipe of player. Week 3 he is great, week 4 he is a disaster.
    Schwartz is the solid type of lineman. That can play multiple positions. He is always good and has more great games than bad ones. Like others he has bad games, but he is never a disaster.

    All I'm saying is that you can have bad players, but you have to at least play them in their natural positions.

    Stop using it as an excuse for really bad play.

    Mihai (Romania)

  • In reply to Barb Mar:

    The first sentence could be a t-shirt. If Gabe's good to go I see Louis replacing Spencer and Edwin replacing CW. Webb, sadly, amazingly will most likely beat out CW. I still think Center is the elephant in the room. Yes, he pulls out well on runs, yes he has done well replacing Olin as signal-caller, but at some point you have to block the center of the line. We didn't have solid, consistent line play from any position on the line last season.

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    Williams is entering his contract year. I'd bet on his will of 'putting food on the table'. I mean Levi Brown, the worst LT BW (Before Webb) in the league, did a rather fine job for the Cardinals last season tricking them to resign him.

    So I think he's the right(!?) man for the job.

    Then there is the message kind of a notion here: "Here at Chicago Bears you can't be the worst RT in the league one year, then the worst LT the next year and be a starter in the third".

    Center is the last problem I think there is. Got to see it from Cutler's point of view. You have to think that Garza is the one that gives him least nightmares.

    Mihai (Romania)

  • In reply to Barb Mar:

    You're on a roll, Mihai. Keep 'em coming!

  • So many storylines

    Will Forte sign?
    The new wideout corps led by Marshall
    Pep - Will he be Pro Bowl or step-down like Wale did in his last year?
    Lack - Can he play?
    Carmini - Can he play?
    The soap opera of OL - where will Lance Louis play? Will he play?
    Big Country - can he play out of the gate?
    The safety shuffle
    Are we really going with Jennings at CB again?
    What's the over/under on Pringles playing every game?
    How does Michael Bush look as the bruiser change-up back?
    Is K. Bell going to make 3rd string, or will Allen bump him?
    Can Rodriquez play the H-back?
    Will John Daly make the team?

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I put Pringles line at 7...I'll take the over, but just barely.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Does Jay's wife take away all the Snickers bars and Tang, creating a constant blood-sugar fiasco which bleeds into noon games as well?

    Does Pez Dispenser get decapitated after forgetting to duck under a door frame?

    Will Big Country accept his rightful nickname?

    Is Spaeth still a Bear?

    What will Lovie look at during OTAs with no jumbotron to stare at?

    When will Tice and Jay come to blows?

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    Mmmmm.... Tang. It's for astronauts, you know.

  • In order to win a lawsuit, a player will need to prove negligence (1. Duty owed to act as reasonable governing bodies, administrators, trainers, coaches, etc. in protecting football players, 2. Breach of that duty by not following accepted safety standards, 3. Breach was proximate direct cause of the injury, and 4. Damages resulted). As result in the difficulty in proving negligence, the NFL lawsuits are alleging that the league knew about the dangers of CTE, but hid it from the players.

    EVEN IF the League is found to meet the criteria of negligent, many states have governmental or sovereign immunity statutes that protect against liability or at least limit liability to an amount such as $300,000., $500,000., or $1,000,000. depending on the state’s version of the law (if any). These immunity statutes can be defeated upon proving GROSS negligence (i.e. wanton or willful disregard for safety of players).

    There is no way any of these players or their lawyers will be able to show that without a giant smoking gun.

    Lastly, the concussion and CTE related lawsuits in the NFL are currently covered under Workers’ Compensation insurance (which overall allows for the collection of lower benefits as compared to civil lawsuits which would be filed under a General Liability policy) even though some 2000 former NFL players have filed lawsuits challenging Workers’ Compensation as the exclusive remedy. They won't win.

    So, I wouldn't fret for the dear NFL just yet.

  • SPOILER ALERT ON BATTLESHIP

    I haven't seen Battleship, because... well, didn't Hasbro buy Milton Bradley? Haven't they monetized enough of their shit via Transformers? Do I need to see Liam Neeson kicking even MORE ass?

    So, I haven't seen it and I don't plan on seeing it. But I did get a spoiler. Apparently, Liam - ready to kick some Alien ass - gets a bunch of old timers from the Greatest Generation to fire up the Missouri so they can sail that bad boy up to the alien mothership and the old coots can broadside it with the 16" guns.

    Neeson and the coots broadsiding an alien ship with cannons sounds distinctly Crimson Permanent Assurance to me (Python check there), and it might be worth a LOL.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    It's a very silly movie.

  • Who is #70 in Blogfather's picture?

    #70 is John McCargo now, and that's not him. Last guy I remember wearing 70 was Alphonso Boone.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    That's Big Ed Williams.

  • All you really need to do is type in Earth Wind and Fire into Pandora, and you'll be set. It makes rap look bad.

  • I attempted to watch Battleship ... and then turned it off midway-through (excuse naval pun) because life is too short and I realised each precious second was one I'd never get back. The thought of an alien species capable of traversing millions of light years across the universe .... being defeated ... by Rihanna.... oh hollywood.

    Bring on Prometheus.

  • Worse than Mars Attacks, Elf, Cabin Fever, or Mystery Men?

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    You're dogging Elf? Damn, WIWG.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I'm not a Will Feral fan... and as much as I can tolerate most of his movies, that one was pollution.

    I didn't laugh once, and, given the time of my life, can assure you that I was quite heavily intoxicated.

    Just not my thang.

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    I am proud to say I don't know. Ha.

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    Nothing is worse than Mars Attacks. Burton sucks.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    wow

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    Um I liked all of those movies, with the exeption of Cabin Fever. Come on, Jim Brown punching aliens.. whats not to love? Elf is great and it makesme feel ok about wearing lime green tights in public. And Mystery Men was perhaps Paul Rubens best performance of his career! Oh and Tom Waits was pretty good in it too.

  • "I guess that's just how you were raised"

    In all seriousness... your rave reviews might get me to watch Mars Attacks and Mystery Men. But... likely on my death bed.

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    New Year's Eve. Unbelievably bad. I love my wife dearly but having to sit through that was just cruel. I'm right there with ya on Will Ferrel.

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    Mars Attacks was awesome. Battleship, not so much.

  • I know Martin got ejected for this : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hB9sAEYod8M&feature=g-all-u

    ...but was Stills ejected for this ... ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=cHvlR0jf56c

  • No, Stills was not ejected for that. Forrest Gregg was the forerunner to Schwartz for the Lions. It all starts with the HC.

  • Didn't realise they had the whole of SB XLI on YT. Although it may not be something anyone wants to remember. Pre-game and everything. I checked myself out of hospital after a road accident for 8 hours to watch the game. I was so out of it that I forgot Billy Joel sang the anthem.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7R_sylxxQCQ&feature=related

  • Skip to the 11:00 mark to get goosebumps all over again.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Even Colts fans were cheering after that.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    She was sweet all right, what a way to start.

    And speaking of goosebumps ... Marshall just tweeted this photo.

    https://twitter.com/#!/BMarshall/status/204910130322616321/photo/1

  • HOT DAMN!!!!

    Fucking A I can't wait. We are going to fucking destroy motherfuckers this year. Oh man, I can... not.... wait.

  • I'm starting to like the new unis.

    And Jay looks ready to kick some ass.

  • why can't the season start this weekend. i can't fucking wait for the season of redemption.

  • redemption for 11 years of angelo's bungling?

  • I like that Flesh Canon...

    REDEMPTION 2012: This time, it's personal.

  • Evidently Titus Young was NOT banned by the team from OTA's - he's just off in a huff...quite the team player.

  • Damn, Clarck or Winslow would have been nice pick ups. Oh well. I guess they're content not throwing to the TE.

  • Beast - on video talking about Jay :

    http://www.csnchicago.com/pages/video?PID=WE2vmUyHYTMqxC6aJK_Y0yOXd8ZHleLz

    Segment from rookie minicamp - Alshon Jeffrey :
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoH6u0kXu0Q

  • Jeffery cramped in OTA drills. He needs to work on conditioning.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Heard that last week too - I'll start getting concerned if this lasts into training camp. For right now, I figure he's just working off the White Castle diet from college.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    first week of 2-a-days is ROUGH no matter what you've done in the offseason.

    Agree... if he's pulling this shit in Bourbonnais and in the preseason games I will be VERY worried.

    (man, I’ve been doing the CAPS words thing a lot… starting to annoy myself)

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    If you start putting the wrong emPHASis on the wrong sylABBle, then we got problems....

    Have you done any shopping around for tickets?

    BTW, Shady, I promise not to steal your weiner dog. She's safe.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Fuck, I just found out that quote is from a Gwyneth Paltrow rom-com.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    suuuuure she is.

    Speaking of Shady, this is dedicated to him: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbYqDFvM0wE

    ... and it's literally the worst thing I've EVER seen on the innerness. Do you know what that's saying... holy shit. Every person, child, and animal in that video should be put out of their misery immediately. Can you imagine agreeing to be in that fucking thing? Holy fucksticks.

    (btw, I just realized that I’m the artoo of the blog for everything NOT football related. Can’t decide whether that’s good or bad)

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Somebody got paid to make that? Fuckity fuck fuck - what the FUCK?
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    Mark Z -- (I wanna slap you)
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    For bringin' to me
    the world community - yeah...

    Mark Z -- (I wanna slap you)
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    For bringin' to me
    the world community - yeah...

    Everyday - the shit I see
    When you notify me
    Words with Friends - it's my turn
    What fucking word starts with "Z"?

    Wasting time - LOLcatz posts
    Every comment - again the letter "z"
    Fat people from high school
    Guess it's better than TV

    Mark Z -- (I wanna slap you)
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    For bring-in' to me
    Videos of bears in trees

    Mark Z -- (I wanna slap you)
    I wanna slap you
    For bring-in' to me
    Pics I don't wanna see

    Holidays and my birthday
    Instead of getting cards
    Now I get a goddamn wall post
    You filthy rich retard

    Posts about what you ate for lunch
    and my ex-girlfriends cat
    I'm mockin' you -- You're mockin' me
    Need real friends desperately

    Mark Z -- (I wanna slap you)
    I wanna slap you
    For bring-in' to me
    My friends and family -- yeah...

    Facebook -- (I wanna thank you)
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    a virtual cacophony

    Thank you, Thank you, Thank you, Thank you ---
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    Fuck you - Facebook - my time ain't free
    Posting shit that crosses my mind -- whatever it might be
    Facebook -- thanks alot for all the time that
    My employees pissed away on you
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  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Is this what the kids refer to as "epic"?

    (Or is this "beast"?)

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    very very nice

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDHb4wewAIQ

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    It's both MB. Usually good, this last one, bad.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    The anti-Artoo !

    BTW - to all those mongs who bought FB shares because FB is huge. Ha ha.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Yeah, but this was everyone's concern. He dropped like 30 pounds to run a fast 40, but was that his real weight? If his body is not naturally at 215, then cramps are just the beginning, and if his body is suited more for 230, then the question is, can he get separation in the NFL?

    Chris Carter actually cited that as one of Marshall's pluses. That for a big man (about 230ish), he has deceptive speed and separation. But B-Marsh is a rare athlete.

    Hope Alshon turns out to be the same.

  • I love Briggsy's recent comment about Marshall when he played against him. Marshall went up for a ball and Briggsy thought he had him, but when he came down with the ball he pulled a lightning move on him and he was gone. He couldn't believe a man that big could move so fast.

    Love this from Urlacher's rehab piece on the Trib :

    In terms of the offense, Urlacher raved about what he has witnessed so far.

    "The ball is gone quick,'' Urlacher said. "Jay (Cutler) makes his reads and gets rid of the football. … Our offensive line is good. We're big up front. Obviously Brandon Marshall and Devin (Hester) out there; Alshon Jeffery's good. Michael Bush. I could go on and on about our guys.''

  • BOOM: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k90QlPUfAXw

  • The Skyfall trailer makes it look like Sam Mendes outsourced directing the film to Christopher Nolan. Maybe Bond is going to go inside a dream.

  • http://youtu.be/X8WeQuDRJJY

  • Dude, trent richardson is a fucking BEAST: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8WeQuDRJJY&feature=youtu.be

  • canada, here you go: http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/12674956/cycling-explained

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    not if we were on bikes... you'd never catch me.

    Classic.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I couldn't make it to the end.

    I did actually throw up on the bike. I had a huge bowl of soup for lunch in this little town and was sloshing on the way out of town. I heard the scrape of nails on the pavement and a guy yells, "Butch". I turn around and there is a large shepherd closing rapidly. I start spinning for all I'm worth, Butch slows down and I called Ralph. The entire bowl of soup. The dogs owner was laughing his ass off. At first I was pissed and then I realized how funny that must have been.

  • Are you fucking... KIDDING me!??!?!

    http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/05/22/video-of-north-carolina-pastors-plan-to-get-rid-of-gays-goes-viral/?hpt=hp_c2

    Ho.ly. sheeeit boyah! My god man, are you fucking serious?

    Trac, that HAS to make you cringe. DWJWD right?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Yeah, I saw that. Isn't South Carolina supposed to be more conservative? I wonder what their sermons sound like.

    I still can't believe being gay is still an issue. It's just so strange that it offends some so much. My best friend is actually an admitted homophobe, though he never went around beating them up or anything.

    I also don't think the resentment has that much to do with religion either. I think there have always been some males since before Judaism or even religion existed who have always held a more Darwinian impulse to be repulsed by homosexuality. As with all passions, it later gets codified then magnified and reinforced.

    I just go by "the live and let live" motto when it comes to homosexuality. Or the "Not that there's anything wrong with that" philosophy...

  • Well... in Jewish sources (the talmud, the Torah, the midrash) you do have references to a time prior to Abraham where homosexuality was practiced and regarded as a bad thing. Sodom, for example, which was destroyed in Abraham's lifetime but was founded before, was like the Las Vegas of its day. The people there were morally corrupt, everyone knew it, but they knew they could go there if they wanted to let lose and have a good time.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    Yeah, but the implication to homosexuality is a lot like marijuana - the gateway vice to worse "sins" - like that pastor who seriously argued that if a man can have sex with another man, why won't he have sex with a horse?

    I'll tell you this much, when I go to Vegas I don't partake in either - lol

  • too hot? Really?

    http://www.cnn.com/video/?hpt=hp_c2#/video/bestoftv/2012/05/22/sot-hln-woman-too-hot-for-work-wpix.hln

    where did she work... with the muppets? Kermit might like her. gross.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    +35 blog points for a Miss Piggy reference. Nicely done.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTRC5uP4cc8t6hyIdD2pfIKITjUcII64sf6stJ63HIH6lK26JmDSw

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I thought you'd be OK with her hooters. Other than that, not so much.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Whats that thing under her nose? Gnarly

  • alright, barring catastrophe or a Forte deal, this off-season is going to be as slow as molasses. So, I either can stay quiet or find non-football stuff to chat about with my Bear Brethren. I usually don't like veering off topic (football in this case), which is why I really don't get into the politics/religion threads here, though I do enjoy them.

    Anywho, I shall break my code and talk about other stuff on my mind, all in good fun. At least, until, say July/August, then I shall go back to Bears.

  • On that note, I was just watching "Snatch" for like the umpteenth time last night, and I'm still unresolved as to where I stand with Brad Pitt.

    I can't argue he's the best actor of our generation because he's always "Brad Pitt-ish" in every role. This began way back with the flick "Kalifornia" (if you haven't seen that one, you should). That's where I think he found his nitch.

    However, one can argue that he just might be the "coolest" actor of our generation. Think about all the cool characters he's been in movies: Fight Club, Snatch, Kalifornia, 12 Monkeys, Legends of the Fall, Inglorious Basterds, Seven, The Devil's Own, Sleepers,.

    All those movies are worth watching, and more so, Pitt plays a memorable character in each one.

    I kinda feel the same way about Val Kilmer...Real Geniuses, Top Secret, The Doors, Top Gun, True Romance, Tombstone, Kiss Kiss Bang Bang

    What say yea, peanut gallery? Is there an actor who has played more cool characters than Pitt or Kilmer?

  • have we forgotten that pitt was also in TR? Great flick.

    I really hate to do this and I used to think the guy was a fucking tool... but you really have to at least give an honorable mention to george pouty clooney...

    Syriana, men who stare at goats, ides of march, burn after reading (also with pitt), the oceans series (also pitt), o' brother where fucking art thou, three fucking kings!!!!, sky kids... wait, scratch that last one.

    I would have to agree with you though $, pitt easily takes it home on fight club and snatch alone.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    spy

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Yeah, I thought about Clooney, and maybe Garey Oldman, and even Johnny Depp.

    But for me some of the most likable characters have been played by Pitt or Kilmer. Tyler Durden, Snatch Bare-knuckle Boxer, Col, Achilles, Doc Holiday, Morrison, Ice Man...

    Maybe Robert Downey Junior, Deniro (although both of them can are more in the best actor division, rather then coolest characters)?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    oh, and did you really leave 'Heat' off kilmer's CV? Holy shit...

    Minus 10 man points!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    BOOM: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZL9fnVtz_lc

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    fuuuuuuck, I forgot how epic that movie was. In the true sense.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Oh shit! Yeah, can't forget about that part. I just naturally think of Deniro-Pacino when I hear "Heat". Val strikes again.

  • Here's the real "Heat"

    http://youtu.be/LrlUsaYlKPs

  • heat gave these lunatics the idea. crazy man.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I know you're a gun man MB, so you might enjoy this doc on the shooting.

    http://youtu.be/TnC-5EBVL-8

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    this?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwexugxApc8

  • Pitt and Clooney have played some really cool characters. They bring a swagger to the screen and even though they aren't trying to play Henry V they are thoroughly entertaining.

    Legends of the Fall was a bad ass movie. That is the definition of an epic film. The score, cinematography, cast, plot, acting and overall feel of the movie was top notch.

  • You guys are going to love "Killing you softly"

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2012/may/22/killing-them-softly-review?newsfeed=true

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Sorry, "Killing them softly"

    As soon as I saw the words Liotta and "whacked", I said "I'm in"

  • In reply to gpldan:

    My dream movie is just Liotta and Malcom Tucker facing off. With a cameo by Mel Gibson.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjAyazqtQj8

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Ooh, that does look awesome.

    I always wished a Departed sequel was made, but probably better that it wasn't. (like Pulp Fiction).

  • Yeah, The Vega Brothers - the Pulp Fiction Prequel. I see the script is downloadable on the net, but they can hardly make it now what with Travolta hiding in his closet and Sam Jackson starting to look like Morgan Freeman.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    i thought you meant "Killing Me Softly" , the soft core porn with heather graham. that movie will prevent prostate cancer....

  • (downloading)

  • Pitt definitely has the highest hit rate in terms of percentage of his movies that I enjoy, but that's good casting as much as anything.

    Leonardo DeCaprio, in some ways, really hurt his career by doing Titanic because it made him seem a romance guy, but he's done some good work. Likewise Matt Damon, he's done some good stuff though his early films were on the softy side (then he did the Borne stuff). Leo probably is second fiddle because he can't do comedy the way some of these other guys can.

    You have to realize though, Clooney, Pitt and Damon are three different generations. Clooney is younger than Pacino or Deniro, but he's at least 10 years older than Pitt.

    I'd also give a nod to Edward Norton as a pure acting talent. The number of roles he's pulled off convincingly is wild. Just in Primal Fear alone he plays a tough guy and a coward tremendously well. Likewise in The Score, he's got serious skills.

    And I think Jamie Foxx deserves a nod also. I can't think of anything he's done I didn't enjoy. He hasn't done a lot, but he's got some chops.

    But if you put all those names in a hat, I think Pitt wins the "under 50 years old" award for best actor. Over 50? Jack Nicholson.

    Have they ever had a film together?

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    Val Kilmer is good in The Salton Sea. I love Mickey Rourke in The Wrestler and Spun (one of my all-time faves. He's the cook to a bunch of meth heads). Harvey Keitel is always good. He's always been a fave but after Tom and Nicole had him fired from Eyes Wide Shut, he's been a personal hero. Apparently in some group scene with Nicole, Harvey's character is wacking off. I guess he's a method actor because he unloaded the cannon a little too close for Nicole's liking. At least that's the story I read. Even if it isn't true, it ought to be. He's fabulous in the Bad Lieutenant. William Macy isn't a big star but he always adds something in every movie he's in. Not to mention how great he is in Shameless.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Damn, Salton Sea! Val may overtake Pitt, but Val has also been in a TON of crappy movies.

    I went out and bought the Salton Sea soundtrack just for this song...

    http://youtu.be/hvH67ODcJB8

  • No doubt about the crappy movies. In the last few years he's been in a bunch of direct to video stinkers. Makes you wonder why he's so hard up for money.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    I think he has eaten his way through his bank account.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    hahahahahaha... exactly.

    frois gras, pate, calves livers, caviar, twinkies and ho hos can become expensive when consumed in daily mass quantities

  • 'Spartan' wasn't a bad movie.

  • fag

    (not that there's anything wrong with that)

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Spun! I didn't think so much of the movie - so so - but I love that scene when he's talking about his mother as he's driving the truck, and then he looks over and - whoever- is asleep.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlxW81oCzKo

    You just know it's true, like the scene in Last Tango in Paris where Brando is talking about his mother. It was all adlib, Brando said later, but it was directly from his own memory. An intensely private man in interviews, but he gave it all up on screen.

    For anyone who thinks they know Mickey, try out his turn on Inside The Actor's Studio (of which he's a member, and of whom Strasberg said gave the greatest audition of any alumni). It's on Youtube.

    Brando's appearance on the Dick Cavett show is a must-see, also on YT.

    Love Macy. His Jerry Lunderberg in Fargo is just classic. His role in Door to Door was perfect. 'Edmond' was a great little movie if anyone hasn't seen him in it.

    I'll have to check out Shameless and The Salton Sea ....

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    C-Bear, make sure you catch Mickey in Passion Play, a recent little independent movie. 'Bullet' from a while back, and 'Angel Heart' from way back when.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    Let's not forget Norton in American History X.

    Nicholson, on the other hand, has to me essentially become a caricature of himself.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    Totally agree Dave. I think the last good movie Jack did was The Departed and that wasn't all that great.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    The Departed wasn't great? you are dead to me.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Not great?!
    I thought it was hilarious!

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    As Good as it Gets
    About Schmitt
    Departed

    Those are the last three films I've seen (at least most of). Nicholson was great in all of them. If you think Departed was cliched, fine (look at what Pacino and DeNiro are doing these days). But the other two were wonderful and nothing like each other or the departed.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    They're all great movies - he was good in The Bucket List too. Even Anger Management (does nayone big make more crappy movies than Sandler?). I can't remember Jack being bad in anything. Departed was a great movie.

    Totally agree about Pacino and Deniro, they're almost parodies of themselves now. Once DeNiro appeared in Rocky And Bullwinkle and uttered the lines "You lookin' at me?" he was dead to me. He was amazing in Awakenings and showed that he was actually growing as an actor, and then, pffht. I don't know if Pacino did any decent work after Carlito Brigante. Maybe Donnie Brasco, or Any Given Sunday. I don't think he's made a decent movie since AGS in 1999. Scarface has to be one of the most over-rated movies of all time. I've seen it twice in recent weeks, and it's just very messy and indicative of Stone's cocaine problem. It's famous for the gunbattle in the villa, and that's it. I would have done a George Lucas re-tool and taken out the crappy eighties keyboard music.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    good one NB. Damon is one of those guys who I thought was a clown before good will, and then the Bourne series... which is one of my all time favs... he's done an excellent job and has lifted the clown boy tag.... unfortunately his lame ass best friend has not.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    On that score, I have to give credit to Will Smith. Started as a rapper, still has made some fun tunes over the years (granted most are attached to his films) and has established himself as a solid actor. Good for an action film (Independence Day, Bad Boys), good for comedy (MIB), and good in drama too (Ali, Pursuit of Happiness).

    Do I think he's in the class of Norton, Damon and Pitt? No. But I don't think of him as a music guy trying to get work as an actor. I still think that about guys like Ice T, despite the long resumes.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Affleck has stepped up big time. His role in Hollywoodland was awesome and his directorial debut in Gone Baby Gone was a solid flick. He knows that he is not a John Woo action master. He will continue to play solid side players and will make nice films behind the camera. I must respectfully disagree mainge.

  • Don't forget "The Town" - that movie was way better than it had any right to be. Good car chase sequences, some threatening villains, Jon Hamm playing an FBI agent with depth, etc.
    I'll stop channel flipping to watch it - which is a pretty big compliment with 500 channels.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I actually liked Hamm's bad guy FBI agent in that film.

    Renner stole the movie, though.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Renner tries damn hard to steal every movie he's in.
    Isn't he replacing Damon in the Bourne series now?

    Pete Postlethwaite was a creepy motherfucker in that film too. Can't forget about him.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    In fairness to Affleck, he has an oscar for co-writing a damn good script in "Good Will Hunting' and he directed 'The Town' which was pretty good. He boned J-Lo on a regular basis, which is hats-off in any case.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    Actually, since we're on the topic. I'm not sure if he'd not Nicholson since he hasn't really been given the oppotunity, but Patrick Stewart is a tremendous actor. He was great in Star Trek, but he's also done some really cool stuff under the radar. He did (and I realize the irony in me pointing this out) an amazing one man show of a Xmas carol that is totally worth seeing.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    I love Patrick Stewart (big Star Trek Next Gen fan). I actually went to the Annenberg Museum recently, and there was Patrick Stewart on the wall, in 3D! It was a digital art exhibit.

    Sean Penn, Ed Norton, and Patrick Stewart though are pure actors (Daniel Day Lewis might be in contention too_ - in the running for "Best Actor of this Generation" which differs slightly from "Coolest Actor" in that the latter usually always play themselves. Kinda like Christopher Walken.

    Rourke could def qualify for coolest actor award, but has he had more memorable characters than Pitt or Kilmer? Not sure on that.

  • For me, Sean Penn and Mickey Rourke are the two finest actors of my generation. Penn in particular is still growing judging by his recent work in This Must Be The Place. I don't know about cool characters per se, but Mickey Rourke certainly missed out on one when he gave the middle finger to Quentin when offered the part of Butch in Pulp Fiction - a role made for him if ever there was one (most likely written specifically for him). Penn probably edges him in that he's a pure character actor. Cold killers, mentally-handicapped single parents, gay rights activists, bad boys, aging gothic rock stars .... he's done it all.

    I've posted this on here before, but for anyone who hasn't seen it - here's how to steal a movie when you're only in the opening scene of it for four minutes.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsT7krLKU34

  • Sean Penn is someone I haven't seen in a lot of films, probably because of the casting. But I agree, the guy has serious chops.

  • Brad gets the pick of the litter every time though. He will be number one or two on every casting director's list for every movie, so he gets offered the best roles first. You could pick a bunch of actors that would have done better jobs in certain movies, although I like him in Legends of the Fall and Kalifornia (where he was just playing the kind of character he grew up around). His accent in Snatch is risible really, Brad Pitt playing a Pavi ...? It worked well otherwise though, his accent wasn't as bad as Tom Cruise in Far and Away or Julia Roberts in Michael Collins. His accent in the Devil's Own is diabolical too. You can tell when an actor isn't really at the top of their game when they do a 'stage Oirish' accent ... which exists and is spoken nowhere but in Hollywood. See Jon Voight for how to avoid this. When he played an Irish copper in The General, he picked a single town in the south of Ireland and got the accent down to a tee. Perfectly. Because that's how people speak. There is no 'Oirish' accent - there's about fifty - and if you don't pick one of them, you sound like an idiot to everyone from that country. It shows that Pitt doesn't throw himself into a role, he just goes through the motions and picks up his cheque. He's a movie star who lucks out occasionally because he got the plum role or script, he's not a real actor in the mold of a Brando or a Penn IMHO.

  • He's this generation's John Travolta, there. John was made to play Tony Manero or Cotter. Then you see him in Battleship Earth .....

    To be a great actor you need intelligence. Tom Cruise and Travolta are scientologists.

  • Oh, I'm not arguing that Pitt or Kilmer are the Best Actors of this gen.

    Two categories here.

    "Best Actor"

    in which folks like Norton, Penn, DeCaprio etc contend.

    "Coolest Actor"

    which pretty much means stars with limited range or talent essentially play themselves, but nevertheless produce awesome characters (Pitt, Kilmer, Christopher Walken...)

  • I love Walken, but ever since The Deer Hunter he's played whoever that guy is. I'd say he's a lot of fun to get drunk with. Ditto Nicholson, DiCaprio, McConnaughey, Damon (Pitt can't hold his liqor apparently), Eric Bana, Juliette Lewis and Marisa Tomei.

    I think Ed Norton, Kilmer and Sean Penn might get a bit mean and serious.

    Rourke seems to straddle both worlds of good acting and being a 'cool' actor. Clooney to some extent too. Talented dude is Mr. Clooney. Writing, directing, acting, producing, the whole shebang.

  • I will have to give a shout out to Robin Williams, he isn't just a comedic actor, he's also excellent in dramas and is a very good character actor. Very underrated in my opinion.

    As for the best actor, Robert Dinero takes it hands down over Pitt & Clooney (close seconds there).

  • In reply to Bender McLugh:

    Whatchu talkin bout? Dana Carvey, hands down.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xk0B9vFpxuI

  • In reply to Bender McLugh:

    I always preferred Robin the serious actor, to the coked-up clown. One hour photo, Awakenings, Bi-centennial man ...

  • "The Night Listener"...

  • How the fuck has no one brought up Daniel Day Lewis? He is, hands down the best actor I have ever seen. Watch "In the Name of the Father" and try to tell me different. I can't wait for the Abe Lincoln bio pic to come out. I saw a picture of him in character and it was dead the fuck on.

  • Abe Lincoln Vampire Slayer?

  • I agree with you on DDL - on pure acting chops, he's waaaay beyond the rest. He's the antithesis of most of these guys - a guy who makes great films and then disappears completely from the public eye.
    I'm more excited about the Scorcese movie he's going to be in next about Jesuit priests in Japan than the Lincoln pic though.

  • Yeah, I guess we take Daniel as a given. He's like the modern Brando - there was Marlon ... and then everybody else. Now it's Daniel ... and everybody else .....

  • Clooney is awesome -
    "Michael Clayton"
    "Burn After Reading"
    "The Good German" - although I might be the only person who liked that one
    "The Perfect Storm" - again, probably just me...

    Oh, and he did the voice of the "Fantastic Mr. Fox" which was highly under-rated.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    He's a great director too. His first movie was Confessions of a Dangerous Mind. Also directed, Good night, and good luck, Leatherheads and Ides of March. He was great in 'Up in the air' and 'The American' too.

  • I absolutely loved "Good Night and Good Luck".
    Great, great movie.
    Haven't seen "Ides of March" yet.

  • Roger Goodell still is uncertain if there will be a Pro Bowl this season but if there is, it will be played in New Orleans or Hawaii.

  • If Goodell had any other instinct in that twat head of his other than to fuck over everybody he comes in contact with - he'd contemplate turning the Pro Bowl into a giant PR event. Send all the players that make it to Hawaii and then send sick kids and other people who need the United Way in their life for some reason besides a photo Op, take the damn thing off television and use it as an opportunity to do some good in the world.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Couldn't possibly agree more GP.

  • Gee... the blog ran away while I was out looking, but on the complaints about the Garrett Wolfe pick, perhaps a little history is in order.

    2008 Forte, pick #44, 1014 for 4233 = 4.2
    2007 Wolfe, pick #93, 72 for 282 = 3.9
    2006 Runnels, pick #195, 0 for 0 = 0.0
    2005 Benson, pick #4, 420 for 1593 = 3.8
    2002 Peterson, pick #199, 311 for 1283 = 4.1
    2001 Thomas, pick #38, 1044 for 3891 = 3.7
    1998, Enis, pick #5, 456 for 1497 = 3.3
    1997, Autry, pick #105, 224 for 653 = 2.9
    1996, Hicks, pick #253, 31 for 106 = 4.4
    1995, Salaam, pick #21, 471 for 1684 = 3.6
    1994, Harris, pick #104, 684 for 2509 = 3.7

    Need I go on? Only Forte, Peterson, and possibly Raymont Harris could be considered better picks. In other words, Wolfe was not *that* bad a pick.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    Pretty small sample size Dave. I agree Wolfe wasn't a horrible pick but everything you read at the time said he would have been available 2-3 rounds later. Whenever I bitch about JA, Wolfe isn't a pick I mention. There were so many others that were worse.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Yes, a small sample. I only list running backs drafted by the Bears.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    Dave, absured logic. Benson and Thomas behind Garrett fucking Wolfe?
    NO.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    Sigh, only on Da Blog can varying degree's of bad mean good. While as GP says, Wolfe may have been a special teams beast, I for one was highly disappointed with his production on the offensive side of the ball. He was a BUST in that department. The guy had 411 yards of total offensive production in 4 years.

    He had 282 career rushing yards. Wow! He had a 7 yd run in '10, a 36 yd in '09, a 38 yd '08 and a 25 yd run in '07. The rest of his carries amounted to 176 yds on 68 carries. That's a 2.58 average. I'm guessing I was in the pisser when he broke off his long runs because I don't remember ever seeing one.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    To look at overall value of a pick, you have to consider all the contributions made by that player including special teams.

    Does Wolfe's special teams play move him up enough in value to match Benson or Anthony Thomas? No.

    But considering that Benson was picked 89(!!!) slots higher in the draft, and Thomas 55, is it enough to say Wolfe was no worse a pick than Anthony Thomas or Cedric Benson? Yes.

    Certainly no one could possibly argue that Enis and Salaam were better picks than Wolfe.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    No Dave, they were busts too. Hello........anyone home? Bueller....

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    And by the way, Benson was a quality RB. I have no problem with that pick. Yeah he didn't pan out in Chicago but he's proven to be a good RB in the NFL. I would put him in the bad luck category as far as him not working out in Chicago but I cannot fault Jerra for picking him.

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    In reply to TracDaddy:

    I'm so late on this, nobody will ever see this post. The problem with the Benson pick is that we had Thomas Jones? What else could we have done with the 5th pick in that draft?

    Hmm, lets see, around #24 Aaron Rodgers, Antrell Role, Demarcus Ware..

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2005/draft/breakdowns/by_round/1.html

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    It certainly should make people think twice (hell, three times) about how difficult it is to find a quality running back in the draft, much less a guy like Forte. We spent several very high first round picks trying to fill the position over the years and still couldn't hit a home run with it.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    SC Dave, did you once blow Garret Wolfe?

  • One night I was really drunk and thought about it, but your head was in the way.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    FINISH HIM!

    Flawless victory!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZYnBxdThvU&feature=related

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    Didn't know ya had it in ya, Dave!

    Coach, really, how short do you think he is?
    He's from South Carolina, not Loompaland.

  • Urlacher highly unlikely to do much until training camp.

  • Brian Urlacher did not participate in the first day of OTAS today but he's not concerned about his knee/ 100 % on track for training camp

  • he is really hurt. concern is growing within me

  • http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-spt-0523-bears-chicago--20120523,0,1653163.story

    He was bowling, so he can't be that bad, can he?

  • Yeah, me too. All this excitement about the new offense won't really mean anything if Brian's out, or breaks down early on. I just don't see us being anything but terrible on defense if he goes down. We could still win games of course, but any thoughts of being Champeens .... out the window.

  • I suspect his knee will not be 100% again. But the last thing he wants to do is let anyone know about it.

  • On a football note, finally got my wish.

    "The owners also voted to move the trading deadline from after Week 6 to after Week 8, and to allow one "marquee" player placed on injured reserve to return to practice after the sixth week of the schedule and to the lineup after the eighth week. That player must be on the 53-man roster after the final preseason cut."

    Unfortunately, one season too late. If this policy existed when Cutty went down, we could have easily traded for NeckBeard last year.

    http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7959313/nfl-says-players-wear-thigh-knee-pads-2013

  • One football thought and I go home.

    On the subject of the pro-bowl and what they should do. I think a free agent bowl, rookie bowl and other similar suggestions won't work because pro-bowl needs to come from the best player. I thinking moving the game to the middle of the season won't work because of the physical demands of football. I think that homefield advantage is not an incentive that can work since the superbowl is at a neutral site and the rest of the playoffs in intra-conference.

    So what do we do? If the game is played, we need to eliminate the crutches on defense. Allow defensive coaches to play whatever they want (4-3, 3-4, blitz pachage, whatever). Allow players who want to stay off the field due to injury concerns to still get a check and a ticket to the game. Make the game about something important... what could that be? Three suggestions.

    1) The conference that wins the probowl gets 10 home games for Monday Night Football. The conference that loses gets 5. Maybe give the last one (there is no MNF in week 17) to the MVP's team.
    2) The MVP (winning team), offensive and defensive MVPs (not neccesarily winning team) all bring home the right for their team to choose its bye week the following year.
    3) Shuffle the playoffs into a 14 team spread instead of 12. The winning team gets an extra wildcard team into its own conference and in the opposing conference.

    Of the three, I think the last would be the most interesting and motivating for the players. And the NFL has been considering expanding the playoffs for a few years now. It would definitely be interesting if a team like the Bears last year (possibly with Cutler playing at that point) was in the AFC playoffs. Hurts the "conference championship" idea a bit if the wildcard manages to win, but is the AFC/NFC distinction really relevant these days?

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    I think injury risk will outweigh all the other incentives NewBear. Football just might not be meant for an All-Star game like Baseball and Basketball.

    So really, the one question we must ask is - what would teams covet that would make injuries worth the risk?

    THE DRAFT.

    This might sound crazy, but the winning team should get awarded to move up ONE spot in the draft. So if the NFC wins, all the teams therein move up one spot (in the first round?)

    The only problem I see is that maybe players won't care about their team moving up in the draft, but the smart ones would recognize how much it would help them win a SB.

    Just throwing it out there.

  • I specifically stayed away from that 4ever, basically because the draft is designed to reward bad teams. If the probowl helps out the draft, then the best teams (that send like 8 players) will be likely to get to move up. The weaker conference will get weaker.

    I dunno, improving your team's chances of making the playoffs from 6/16 to 8/16 seems like a really good incentive to me. So does the primetime option - basically encourages winning for the benefit of the fanbase.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    But I'm not advocating individual teams move up in the draft, rather the whole conference.

    So while the Browns might not be sending Pro Bowlers, that doesn't mean the Pats, Ravens, Steelers aren't. The water would raise all the boats, including the shabby Browns if the AFC wins the PB.

    Also, there's a certain parity to conferences. Sure, sometimes the NFC is a little better than the AFC or vice versa, but not by much, and even then it's individual teams, not players.

    No one can validly argue that the AFC has better PBs then the NFC (or the other way around) nowadays.

    I just don't really like the idea of expanding the playoffs, again. We already have very questionable teams entering the playoffs, and to dilute it even more would in my estimate devalue the playoffs.

    But you're right about the draft awarding the losers. Still, lets say my plan pertained to last year, that wouldn't have changed the order for the #1 overall pick. Indy would still have had it, while the Rams (in the NFC loser division) would still have been second. But wouldn't it be something if the NFC had won, and the Rams got bumped up one spot and took the #1 overall pick from the suck for Luck Colts?

    I just think teams on the PB squads (not to mention the coaches) would really take the PB more seriously when the stakes are that high.

    Just my two cents.

  • The NFL awards losers through the draft so that ticket sales don't plunge off the cliffs on bad teams. The draft is the NFL's attempt of inspiring would be fans to "Hope" their team can turn it around. It's a brilliant marketing strategy. You can't deny that. It's the Kaiser Sosa of all marketing concepts.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    Kaizer Sose'

    Kaiser Sosa is Sammy's little brother who never made it out of the Dominican Republic as a pinch hitter. Like Jordan, he couldn't hit the curveball.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Ha, but you knew to whom I was referring GP. You just wanted to show off your brilliant wit again, didn't you? Hmm, hmm. It's a good thing we're pals.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQMr9DvXXF8

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    You have many fine qualities, Trac.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    It was that weird batting stance.

  • LMAO! This says it all.

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/05/23/johnnie-morton-sues-as-number-of-nfl-concussion-lawsuits-tops-80/

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    Do you think we all can jump on this lawsuit? Think of all the times we hit ourselves in the head when our beloved Bears fucked up. I cant imagine how many times I have smacked my forehead over some dimwitted play. Who's in?

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    That's brilliant - no wonder I get weird tension headaches...it's repetitive Bears stress disorder.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    the medical term is actually RBSD

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    That could definitely be worked into a DBB shirt.

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    Actually, it's pretty useless unless you are the parasite (i.e. lawyer) sitting atop the Ponzi pyramid of the class action lawsuit.

    But an entertaining idea none the less, Murph!!

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    C'mon, Dave - like we don't have lawyers in our midst?
    The key is for them to agree to buy us all season tickets and transportation out of their cut.

  • was finishing watching this... go to 38:30 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwexugxApc8

    Crazy.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Nobody could get a headshot on the guy.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    yeah, kinda crazy... seems like that dude with the shotgun could have taken a headshot while the dude's back was turned, but I would be shaking a lot with all that adrenaline.

    Who knows.

  • what... like anal?

    Going to be classic.

  • Tanking it: A deep thought by GP Handey

    With the NFL having had several consecutive seasons where it was openly wondered if they would play starters or deliberately shit the bed on regular season games to assure draft position, it might be time to go to a lottery ball system for the NFL draft like the NBA had.

  • The Wolfy discussion had me thinking about the 07 draft. 5 years is the correct window to evaluate the sanity of a given draft. And 07 is a doozy. Holy shit, look at this list, it's a case study in chaos theory.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_NFL_Draft

    Gaines Adams picked way ahead of AP. What would the Bucs be with AP as their back? Big upgrade over Blount. The 14th pick has the only guy from the 1st round shaping up to have a HOF career. Bears could have picked Sidney Rice instead of Olsen. Matt Spaeth instead of Dan Bauzin.

    And how about that 7th round? Jesus. Jason Snelling AND Ahmad Bradshaw? You could have picked up an excellent backfield in the 7th.

    That's a pretty crazy draft. I'm shocked BR hasn't written a glib article about it yet.

  • Talk to me GP, what's going on here?

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/05/23/union-sues-nfl-claims-collusion-during-uncapped-year/

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    You know how it pains me to say this, Trac... but I don't know.

    2010 was an uncapped year, so Snyder and Jones break open the piggy bank, then get slapped for it by the NFL. The NFLPA agrees with this, says "yeah, they spent too much coin that year, we agree" - then turns around and sues the NFL for colluding on a secret cap of 120M.

    It sounds to me like what happened is that somebody found something during discovery on the previous case. Some crazy email like this one:

    Date: May 23, 2010
    From: Jerry 'Plastic Ono Band' Jones
    To: Big Danny Snyder
    Subject: Kick your ass....

    Dear Dan Dan Noodle head -

    So, we open against you guys on September 12th, huh? I'm looking forward to coming down there on my Lear with a 12 gallon drum of Texas whoop-ass, you sorry POS. We drafted a rook sensation, do ya hear me, senSATION, Dez Bryant, and he and ROmo are going to rock your world. DOn't you worry about Tony, he's over Jessica and moved on to a new hottie, he's gonna have a GREAT year.

    Oh, by the way, you know that thing all of us bigwigs we talked about down at the meet and greet? Fuck that. I know your not doing it, so I'm not doing it. Why should we? I got enough tv revenue this year to carpet my office and get another nose job, I am sick and tired of the losers like Mara crying all the time about cost control. Screw him, I got a new stadium to fill and we're going to begin our Super Bowl run by dancing on your head.

    Love,
    Jer

    ---

    and then what happened is some enterprising young associate fresh outta law school read that and said "what the fuck are they talking about?"

    But that's all speculation.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    very nicely done GP

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CP6v4T3VT7I

  • ust wrapped up OTA at Halas Hall. Chris Williams and J'Marcus Webb split left tackle reps as expected

  • uuuuuhhhhggggg.... terrible and terribler.

    Man, I CANNOT believe we didn't address LT this off season. Fucking brutal... still just. don't. get. it.

    Why would we continue to ignore that gaping hole? I'm still baffled by this.... 'strategy'

  • Chris Spencer took the reps with first team at LG. Lance Louis practiced with first team at RG. Roberto Garza still at center.

  • Knox doesn't know if he's going to play in 2012. But WR continues to work hard and rehab daily.

  • Hey Shady.... ooooops!

    http://money.cnn.com/2012/05/23/technology/facebook-lawsuit/

  • Jay Cutler on Devin Hester: "I think he's probably having the best camp of all the receivers."

  • I don't get the player push for hester at WR. What gives?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Either Hester is going to be amazing this year or this is a ploy to mind fuck opposing teams.

  • I swear I've heard the same thing for at least 3 years in a row.

  • Camp is different. In a game, when the bullets start firing, Cutty can't see him.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    Hot damn, Trac - they're using guns now?
    Don't let Eric Dickerson know or that's ANOTHER lawsuit we'll have to worry about.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    In related news, Marvin Harrison will play for free.

  • Alshon Jeffery worked some outside today.

  • A very thin Johnny Knox was on the sidelines for Bears OTAs. Said he dropped 30 pounds after spine injury. Has gained 10 back.

  • No way does he play in 2012.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    100%

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    No way does he play.... again.

  • Brandon Marshall on Devin Hester: "I honestly think he's going to have an All-Pro year this year at wide receiver."

  • Brian Urlacher, Matt Forte, Kellen Davis, Pat Mannelly, Carimi, Kelvin Hayden, Knox and D.J. Moore did not participate in Wed OTA.

  • All were present except Forte and Moore.

  • Carimi did not participate. Mansfield Wrotto & A.J. Greene saw time at RT.

  • Jonathan Wilhite took first team reps at CB opposite Charles Tillman. Tim Jennings played first team nickel.

  • Good guy: http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2012/may/23/nfl-star-winslow-accused-trashing-house/

    Who wants him again?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    What a doofus.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    yeah, fucking ridiculous. Grown men with millions do inane shit like this. RSF is serious too... I mean, real-life mansion, estate homes... with horse stables and riding rings and shit.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I'm guessing the truth lies somewhere between the he said, she said.

  • Bears already had planned to put Knox on the PUP to the start the season as he continues to recover from spinal fusion surgery.

  • Jay Cutler says it's "a breath of fresh air around here being able to give ideas [to the offensive coaches]

  • I wonder what ol' Mikey did when you said "this play sucks".

  • In reply to gpldan:

    wow, not so subtle dig at the wiz.

  • I like that Cutty has been saying "That play's gone." to Bates. There's a collaborative approach to the playbook in operation now. Tice has simplified things and reduced player's requirement to think - rather than over-complicate things, players will know what their role is no matter what happens or changes. It sounds like Tice is implementing sensible protection systems - J'Marcus Webb was saying that "he's getting help" now.

  • Jay Cutler basically said that Garza is the only member of the OL whose position is set at this point

  • He has to touch his ass, so he gets say-so.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    hahahaha...

    Great, this is supposed to be a fucking SB run year, and the window is closing... and we AGAIN do nothing to sure up our pathetically bad oline for the 5th year in a row!?!?!?

    Are you fucking serious Lovie... tice... do you two fucking enjoy getting paid? I swear, if this doesn't work out well with all the new toys we have because Jay is still getting blasted or running for his life every play, Tice AND lovie need to get fired on the spot.

    I'm not saying this WILL be the case, I'm saying IF this is the case.

    Who knows maybe tice is a fucking magician and with a little scheme change he can turn 4 turds into silk purses (or whatever the fuck that saying is)… but I am VERY nervous right now. If we had just picked up a tackle in FA or the draft. And don’t tell me there weren’t opty to… I know it was thin this year, but taking a flyer on a guy is better than no guy at all.

    I really hope this turns out ok maingses.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    any optys

  • concerning to see that gabe carimi still isn't practicing with the #bears. he needs all the reps he can get, given his limited snaps in nfl.

  • One more time and with FEELING....

    MB and I now are putting chips on 13 black. WHich is to say, Carmini isn't taking a live snap until maybe halfway through this season. He's not healed, he won't be ready. His whole career is teetering, and I watched the play against the Saints where he got hurt, and despite whatever bounty may have been on his head - nobody did a killshot on his leg. It just buckled as he backpedaled.

    Therefore - it's Angelo's fault.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    isn't everything?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    botched.... trade

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=3EQeR1dPNng

  • In reply to gpldan:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNlFEZ_7Ou8

  • In reply to gpldan:

    fucking hilarious

  • In reply to gpldan:

    We may see more of James Brown than we'd expected. Carimi wasn't in there from week 3 onwards anyway, so it's not like we'd be losing a member we relied on last year. If he's not healthy, so be it ... Gabe on the sidelines leaves us with :

    Webb/CW
    Spencer
    Garza
    Edwin
    Lance

    Whoever starts at LT, we'll have two of JB/JW/CW as swing tackle. If they start CW as guard in place of EW, then we have Chilo and Edwin as swing guards, with EW also covering as backup center.

    I think we can still roll over people with that line, given Tice's schemes/plays and protections. Cutty has been getting rid of the ball quickly in practice and he won't be asked to stand in there as long.

    Remember, these boys are big, running the ball will not be a problem. Pass pro was the problem, and half of that at least was due to : crappy receivers, Mad Martz and his ignorance of protection, smart scheming and protections. Now we have good receivers and Tice isn't a dick like Martz was.

    It's Urlacher we need to be worried about. There's no Lombardi without Lac.

  • Damn, that's some good Kool-aid on the oline, Irish.

    But on the D side, you're absolutely right. Brian is still the man.

  • #bears udfa james brown taking snaps with the second team at left tackle.

  • http://espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/story/_/id/7961905/jerry-jones-says-dallas-cowboys-title-window-getting-shorter

    Too bad his QB is tony fucking romo.

    Watching that, I realized they need a new coach and GM. Smith is right... for having an owner who's willing to put in whatever amount of money it takes…. they have sucked, and they really shouldn’t.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    oh, and I fucking can't stand skip bayless. what an ahole that dude is.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Skip is kinda like the Limbaugh of sports journalism. Outlandish claims to drum up ratings, which I feel are spoken/shouted more with a wink of the eye.

  • And he's a serial liar as well...one other thing they have in common.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Totally worthless. Can't stand him and finally unfollowed on Twitter. All he does is whine about how Westbrook and Durant are incompatible.
    Uh, Skip - don't look now but they're killing it in the playoffs, dummy.

  • Ran across this on my daily Bears rounds...

    "Teams won't stack the box=less sacks
    No Martz =less sacks
    Audibles=less sacks
    WRs who can catch=less sacks
    Williams and Carimi coming back=less sacks
    A full offseason=less sacks
    Playing to Cutler's strengths=less sacks
    continuity=less sacks "

    But really, what it all comes down to, is how much Webb, Williams and the rest have progressed as football players. That comes first, then the chemistry and everything else.

  • I added them all up on my abacus ... and if my calculations are correct, it comes to 'less sacks'.

  • how can you NOT love boobies? Seriously...

    http://www.aol.com/video/kelly-brook-poses-in-another-sexy-photoshoot-in-cannes/517376697/?icid=maing-grid7%7Cmain5%7Cdl5%7Csec3_lnk3%26pLid%3D163419

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54m53yWFJ2s&feature=relmfu

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    When she was going out with Jason Statham about ten years ago, everyone was going "Jason who?" ....

  • a first round LT battling it out with a 7th round left tackle for the starting job.

    Don't know if I should be depressed because Williams is a bust, or ecstatic that we found the ultimate gem in Webb. The law of averages cancel each other out.

    Kinda like Kim Kardashian. Hot, but useless.

  • cute story if you have time, but mostly for NB: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rabbi-brad-hirschfield/finding-faith-on-the-road-where-deep-commitment-and-openness-meet_b_1501569.html?icid=maing-grid7%7Cmain5%7Cdl24%7Csec1_lnk2%26pLid%3D163258

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    You knew it was coming MB so here goes. I'm not picking an argument with you, just giving you my take on that article.

    Am I the only one who noticed how the "Rabbi" presented his image of the "Crazy cigarette smoking Jesus freak" for the reader right out of the gate and then went straight for the jugular, his opposition to Christian doctrine? How nice of him. He then goes on to mock the doctrine of Jesus while making the reader think he's actually patting Jesus on the back. He conveniently leaves out the fact during his "more than one way" shpiel that the Old Testament teaches that salvation only comes by the one true God, the God of Israel and that Messiah will only come for Gods people, believing Jews. If the man was a Rabbi worth much of anything he would have told the fictional cabbie in his article to find a new Church. A scripture savvy Jew or Christian knows that no decent Pastor would tell a guy to divorce his wife for any reason outside of adultry. To not tell the cabbie this, is a sin of omission in the new testament.

    Any Jew or Christian that bases their faith on experience rather than the word of God is a fool and does not know where he or she is going.

    To the reader of that article who understands the scriptures, this is a hit piece on Christianity in disquise. No biggie, I'm used to it, just thought I'd respond. My post should be good for at least 20 posts though. He he, Power to Da Blog.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    interesting take trac... guess that wasn't my take, although I have to admit I most certainly picked up on his tone re: the cabbie. I took that to be more about ex-drug addict cabbies than Christians though.

    going to be interesting to hear NB's POV.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I know it's easy to see the dark clouds when looking for a storm and I could be wrong about his motives. It might be that he just has a problem with the absolutism of Judaism as well as Christianity. Either way, he's mistaken according to the Biblical text.

    We all have experiences we draw from but it would be a bad thing to never date a woman again just because your first girl friend was a bitch. You have to search in order to find the one that will torment you for the rest of your life or for the one that will raise your children with you and be a lifelong sole mate. Sorry, I couldn't help using that analogy. He he.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    cringe.....soul mate. Come to think of it, most women do a pretty good job of being all of the above. LOL, GO BEARS.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    very true. I thought maybe you both like fish?

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    [A scripture savvy Jew or Christian knows that no decent Pastor would tell a guy to divorce his wife for any reason outside of adultry.]

    I would tend to agree with you on ethical grounds. But according to pure scripture, if a man's wife is not Jewish and does not want to convert, there is a basis to encourage divorce even if they get along great. Again though, I find that a 30 minute cab ride is not enough time to judge something like that.

    [Am I the only one who noticed how the "Rabbi" presented his image of the "Crazy cigarette smoking Jesus freak" for the reader right out of the gate and then went straight for the jugular, his opposition to Christian doctrine?]

    He definitely sets up a straw man in the article. He's the wise Rabbi, the cabbi is a dope whose never heard anyone make so much sense.

    But I don't think he was attacking xianity any more than he was attacking Jewish fundamentalists in Israel. He was attacking hard liners of all faiths; the article could easily have been about a Muslim cabbie or even an orthodox Jewish cabbie in Israel.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    Gotta go with NBIT on this.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    For it is written, " The, Lord has seth, He hates divorce". Also, the New Testament strongly urges a believer to win his wife to his faith by his good conduct and never instructs a believer to kick their spouse to the curb if they don't convert. God does however instruct a believer to give their spouse a certificate of divorce if the unbelieving spouse requests one because of their unbelief, not the other way around. To even entertain divorce because a spouse won't submit to ones faith is not how a Christian should apply the scriptures. That would be a wrong interpretation of the scriptures. Jesus said it is the hardness of a persons heart that causes him to seek a divorce in the first place when asked by the religious leaders of his day if it was ok to do so for any cause. Christ's teaching's compel a Christian to soften their hearts in the face of adversity and to obey the scriptures, not build new laws to circumvent the ones already in place. This is what Jesus meant when he said He came to fulfill the law, not to destroy it..

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Erm... wikipedia says Brad Hirschfield graduated from the Jewish Theological Seminary, which is a conservative Jewish instution (meaning not orthodox). Hirschfield apparently identifies as orthodox, but he appears to be "traditional" after some bad experiences with fundamentalists as a young adult.

    The distinctions between traditional and orthodox are small at first glance, but they can reveal some fundamental differences in approach. Long story short, he's not a rabbi in my book.

    I've heard stories like this before and I'm tempted to accuse him of exagerrating, but maybe its a true story. One thing is for sure, he managed to use the name of his book "you don't have to be wrong for me to be right" as many times as possible in the article.

    Do I agree with him? Complicated question... I would never tell anyone that I love Jesus. Orthodox Judaism does not allow for a true pluralistic approach to religion. There are certain absolute truths that you can't compromise on. There is one G-d, not three.

    But on the flip side I agree with Hirschfield that religion helps people do a lot of good in the world. Alchoholics Anonymous includes recognition of the need for a higher power as one of the 12 steps - and they quickly add that it doesn't matter what the higher power is. My sister once knew somebody whose higher power was a door knob - whatever it took to stop drinking.

    Do I believe in the door knob as a higher power? No. Do I love the door knob? No. Would I tell him to stop talking to the door knob? No.

    If you ask me, Hirschfield should not have given the guy a definitive answer to the question about his wife. You don't give somebody an answer to a question like that without knowing a whole lot more about him than you can learn in a cab ride. If I was asked that question, I would have (a) said I can't tell him what to do; (b) told him to get professional help, like a marriage counselor; and (c) tried to be a good listener to help him bring out his own thoughts.

    But that wouldn't have made a good article I guess.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    I'll go with the door knob every time. They're real, they exist, and they're useful :o)

    The higher power thing in AA is mystifying to me. I've never been to a meeting, but I was aware of this higher power thing. In having said that, I do feel the decision to stop drinking for me was a 'spiritual' one somehow. I recognise the laws of nature as being greater than me, but I don't see how that keeps me away from alcohol whatsoever. In fact, people going to AA meetings on a regular basis mystifies me. If you quit drinking, you quit drinking. Why give up all of that time and energy going someplace to talk about the past, or listen to somebody else go on about pissing the bed or how their marriage fell apart? Who cares? Live in the now, not in the past. Move on.

  • BOOM! I like that Irish.

    If you spend too much time (i.e., more than a fleeting moment now and then fondly remembering your past) then you're stopping yourself from fully living the now… and are potentially jeopardizing your future.

    I like that a lot and try to live my life that way as much as possible.

    Psssssst… you can’t change the past anyway.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Easier said than done, of course. Monks spend lifetimes trying to learn how to do that.

  • I never went to meetings either. I don't see anything wrong with them, they just weren't for me. A lot of the people get addicted to the meetings. Oh well. For a lot of people it helps them stay on the straight and narrow. All I need to do is remember some of the really dumb shit stuff I did. Waking up in jail a couple of times kind of gets your attention.

  • Yeah, but Irish, if you know that someone has successfully quit drinking by going to AA meetings and spending an hour a day praying to the higher power... are you going to be the one to say "I think what you're doing is stupid."

    I doubt it, you're smarter than that. If a person needs something else to get him through a problem... why not?

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    that is exactly my philosophy re: religion in general.

    The 'problem' being life for many people... its uncertainty, the fear of what comes after, and the shit that hits the fan on a regular basis that makes life pretty difficult a lot of the time.

    If religion and the belief in a higher power that is watching over and guiding you helps you through these daily tribulations and helps you be a better person, great! I’m all for it.

    The issue I have is when it gets pushed on others who don’t believe the same things, or are treated differently simply because they have different beliefs, that’s when I call bullshit and feel that PEOPLE do the opposite of what religion was created to do.

    I won’t get into the religion = opiate for the masses argument.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    interesting NB. So did you ever think about becoming a Rebbi?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I'm actually studying sort of part time to get smicha, which essentially means to get certified as a rabbi. But I've never really thought seriously about being a rabbi professionally. At least, not really any more seriously than I've thought about being a doctor, an actor, a fireman, etc etc.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    Good for you NB.

    you know how it's supposed to go... our mothers expect us to be 1 of 3 things when we grow up.

    At least you picked one of the three... as did my brother. I'm just a tech geek.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Neither of my parents would have been particularly thrilled with my being he kind of rabbi I could respect.

    The celebrity rabbis are almost always hollow. Its nearly impossible to achieve that kind of fame and retain real depth. There's just too much pressure to talk in sound bites.

  • STFU Wilbon

    http://espn.go.com/chicago/nba/story/_/id/7900380/injuries-chicago-bulls-derrick-rose-chicago-bears-jay-cutler-enhance-city-legend-curses

  • It must be the OTA time, Hester once again is the "top wideout" every off-season...

  • R2 and I have been going back and forth about that in his latest article.

    http://www.footballnation.com/content/devin-hester-poised-to-breakout-2012/14732/

  • In reply to EnderWiggin:

    I don't see why Brandon and then Jay would have any reason to do PR for Hester. It doesn't make any sense. Jay and BM know more about it than we do, and I'm happy to believe that the penny is dropping for Devin. If Brandon says he's a sweet route-runner then we should believe him. I've always thought there was no threat with Hester unless he was going route one anyway, but we're looking good at receiver I'd say.

  • I hope we are right. Isn't it true that a good WR absolutely needs talent opposite him? If so, then Hester has never had that: Moose? Booker? Giraffe? nahhh

  • In reply to EnderWiggin:

    Plus he was running bubble screens for Martz in his 'breakout' year. The offense of odd.

  • I have watched the Bears a long time, and adapting to the skills of their players has never been a strong point.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    Esp on offense!

  • http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/chi-biggs-observations-from-bears-ota-20120523,0,6601656.story

    Cw splitting time with Webb. Spencer in at left guard. Mannelly still out with his ACL. Earl looking sharp.

  • Bennett will be the story of 2012. No matter how well Marshall plays, he's already expected to be a superstar. And Jeffery could be an all-star rookie prospect, but the trade up in round 2 to get him also takes the luster off a bit even if he shines.

    I think Bennett, who is getting no press right now, and who was Cutler's favorite reciever last year, is going to be the surprise. I've said before, Bennett has the skills to be Wes Welker in the slot.

    I would not be surprised to see Marshall and Bennett both getting 80 catches this year. Keep in mind, the year Randy Moss broke all the records with the Patriots, Wes Welker had more catches on the season. Moss had 98 catches, Welker at 112.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    won't be a surprise to me. Earl is one of my favorite bears right now despite zero love or press.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Earl is his own press

    http://www.earlbbennett.com/

  • In reply to gpldan:

    hahahahaha...

    do you remember that underwears commercial I posted a while back... wait... let me find it again...

    BOOM!: http://vimeo.com/39993529

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    Methinks Earl would be very happy with 80 catches. Supposedly,
    "Bennett can trigger an additional maximum of $3 million if he has three consecutive seasons of 80 receptions and 1,200 yards. Those targets, individually, are worth an additional $500,000 in 2015. So, in 2012, 2013 or 2014, if he has only one season with 80 receptions, he will trigger an additional $500,000."

    So 80 catches per season for 2012, 2013, and 2014 would net Earl an extra $4.5 million. I'd love to see him earn it all.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    Yep, Earl will get a lot of balls as Cutty's second read I'd imagine. Not expecting anything from Jeffrey this year - unless he's an A.J. Green, and an NFL rarity, he'll have a quiet one. At least he won't have to learn the X, Y and Z plays like Martz had them do, things should be simpler for him, go up and get it. If Hester has come on like they say he has, then Beast, Earl, Davis and Hester will do just fine even if Jeffrey takes his sweet time..

  • Exactly. The base three wide reciever sets will feature a lot of Marshall, Bennett and Hester/Weems groupings rather than Jeffery.

    The base 2 reciever sets will feature a lot of just Marshall and Bennett with Davis/Clutts/Forte, Davis/Forte/Bush, and Davis/Spaeth/RB sets.

    Jeffery will get his touches, but rookie WRs are not traditionally superstars. If he has a mediocre year, don't stress out too much.

  • Bears signed Nate Collins. Not sure if he'll even make the roster. DT depth?

    http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=64834&draftyear=2010&genpos=DT

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    2/12: DT Nate Collins was arrested in Warrenton, Va., last Thursday, according to The Times-Democrat. He was originally pulled over for having illegally tinted windows, and the police officer smelled marijuana.

    This just in, Old Sauce seen heading to Tank Johnson' house in Arizona with a couple 40 ouncerz and some skeet shotguns.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Nate's mistake was driving through Warrenton, VA.

  • http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-spt-0524-bits-bears-chicago--20120524,0,7132854.story

    Paea poised to breakout? That knee must be feeling better. Here's to a great season for the kid.

  • From Flatbread to Ramrod?

    I'd love to see the kid make me eat that Zorich comparison. I hope Toe comes into camp in top shape.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    ...say car ramrod, say car ramrod

    I hear ya GP, if we can get a healthy and aggressive Paea and a healthy and aggressive Melton that may be a good combo.

  • I honestly think Old Sauce has some 3-4 schemes cooked up for us, where Big Country stands up and Pep and company shift in.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I prefer McLovin to Big Country for Mclellin's nickname. Any supporters?

  • I second and third it, from now on he is Mclovin to me.

  • In reply to ben in norcal:

    'Sheamus'.

    Again, apologies to the USA for Sheamus. Fella.

  • common maings... how can you not want "Chicken Dinner"?!?!? AND, it's his actual nickname.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Yes! Most likely reserved for the Fudgers ... they'll be all WTF? And we'll be like "Yeah, here it comes bitches!"

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I always really liked what I saw from toe.... what happened to that guy?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I logged in to reply back to that.

    Big Toe is starting over Paea right now. Not much but goes to show he has a way to go.

  • Hey Johnny:

    http://www.ufc.com/event/UFC146#/fight

    • Dos Santos – I think Mir is done
    • Velasquez
    • Herman – I just can’t choose Nelson with that gut hanging
    • Del Rosario (????)
    • Struve
    • Brendao
    • Barboza
    • Miller
    • Hardy (I just threw up a little in my mouth)
    • Sass
    • Kingsbury
    • Brown (wow, good card)

    ...I hope no bad people come.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I'm calling Mir by submission. I fucking love submission fighting. no blood, all skill, quick ending leaving a knucklehead bar brawler begging for the other guy not to snap the arm/knee or put him to sleep.

  • do no maings... think Mir is done. One hard tap to the chin and night night.

  • Philosophically, I gotta love that too!

  • there you go Doc: http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/23/living/bicycle-friendly-states/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

  • Jeff, are you serious dude?

    "dabearsblog Watched Jets report on Sportscenter and I'd say it was 88% Tebow. Can't wait til he starts dominating backups in preaeason. Poor Sanchez."

    Tebow doesn't dominate anyone in practice situations. He is a TERRIBLE QB... but a very good football player. That dude shines on the field when the chips are down. And while sanchez is a complete tool who chokes, the dude is much more of a prototypical NFL QB who probably shows very well in practice, 7on7s, drills, etc...

    Oh, did I mention that Sanchez is banging one of the hottest chicks on the planet?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    When asked about the OTAs and new faces, Revis made a stir with the NY press by gushing on and on about Tebow.

    Revis is the captain of that locker room. He's the Urlacher of that D. He dropped statements like "Tim has leadership qualities in quarterback that very few players have." with the subtext being, 'like nobody here has.'

    So, FWIW, which maybe nothing to foot fetish fatzo, but the D wants Tebow.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    ridiculous. tebow will never repeate what he did in Denver last year. 2 or 3 of those games were silly luck... especially ours.

    Bottom line, even though Tebow is flatout a winner, dirty sanchez is the much better QB.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Tebow is giving up a huge advantage going to NY. Denver's altitude was a killer for defenses chasing him around. By the end of the game they were out of gas. Our D was dead at the end. Also, a couple of teams could have run out the clock and didn't (sound familiar?). Nothing against the son of god but he had the perfect storm of good fortune numerous times last year. Not likely to repeat itself.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Te-oh-no!

    http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/new-york-jets-mark-sanchez-tim-tebow-team-workouts-052412

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    100% canada

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    "... Tebow is flatout a winner..."

    Wouldn't that also be the best argument for Jim McMahon? After all, he really was not much better than mediocre. Sure, his arm was a zillion times better than Tim's, but Tebow is certainly way better as a runner.

    There is no way I'd be surprised if the Jets are better than they have been in a long time. Remember that old expression "you make your own luck"?

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    I think you're thinking of the colts Dave.

    (see how I... never mind)

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    Dude, you have got to be fucking kidding me. McMahon was mediocre? He's got the fifth highest winning percentage of any QB in NFL history - including a 25 game winning streak. Never knew when he was beaten. Smart as. Tough. Awesome. Legend. Do we have a Lombardi with Steve Fuller at QB? We'd have gone 16-0 if Mac had have played against the Fins. Like Ken Anderson, he never gets any respect.

  • Jim McMahon made one Pro Bowl, in Walter Payton's second best season and supported by arguably the best defensive season performance in NFL history. Two Super Bowls, one with aforementioned team and the other carrying a clipboard and watching Brett Favre after the 1996 season (to be fair, he did achieve his highest passer rating for his career that season... on four pass attempts).

    Call McMahon tough all you wish, but the bottom line is that of 105 regular season games the Chicago Bears played during his tenure, he appeared in 66 (62.9%).

    Slightly better than Matt Stafford at 60.4%

    Regarding post-season, McMahon appeared in 7 of the 9 playoff games (although against Philadelphia in 1988 Tomczak played almost the entire game), charitably 77.7%. Other than 1985, the only playoff win in which McMahon played was that Philadelphia game, in which he completed 2 of 3 passes for 13 yards. Other than 1985, Jim McMahon completed less than 50% of his playoff passes, and threw 4 interceptions to 1 touchdown. Worse than mediocre. Overall, his playoff record was 3-3. Rex Grossman was 2-2.

    Looking at all the numbers here (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/McMaJi00.htm), Jim McMahon was in *fact*, mediocre.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    Ooops... there were only 15 games in 1987, so it's 66 of 104 for about 63.5%.

    On winning percentage, McMahon certainly ranks much better than mediocre at 67-30 (.690). My attempts to find a good list did not bear fruit, but I'm sure someone here can find one.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    I don't think anyone here wants to find one dave.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I have no doubt he gets his start at some point. He's a winner, Sanchez isn't. His whole life, whatever he's done, he wins.

  • Hakeem Nicks out for 3 months. Broken foot.

  • Giants are estimating that Hakeem Nicks will miss 12 weeks

  • Big blow. Nicks was fucking un-coverable in the playoffs and the Super Bowl.

  • Vegas win totals are in and the over/under on the Bears is 8.5 wins. Other than a small, occasional and friendly wager with the guy in the cubicle across from me, I've never betted on sports before and have no idea how to get in on this but that's about to change. I'm definitely betting the Over on the Bears and hoping that multiple Novenas will keep everyone healthy:

    http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Vegas-has-spoken-NFL-season-win-totals-are-live.html

  • I was watching some OTA videos on da site. it feels really good having a competent qb who has won games in this league as our backup to cutty.

    Now if we only had that kind of backup at MLB. I don't feel good about Urlacher.

  • I think we're all a little worried about Brian. It's why I was hoping for the miracle in the draft and we'd end up with Keuchly.

    Right now, we better hope Dom DiCicco can play. He's light for MLB at 230, but he good height (6'4").

    Has anybody watched him much?

  • 100% Johnny… I kinda feel like I’ve been the only one on the JC bandwagon thus far. It awesome knowing we have that guy backing up cutty instead of caleb fucking hanie (still can’t believe someone gave that turd a gig EVER again).

    Don’t like to think about it, but sac is right on the cutty not making it through a season yet thing. If jebus forbid cutty goes down again, we have a proven stud QB coming in to win games for us.

    I have zero clue why he took the contract with us so early, if he would have waited one or two months more, he would have gotten a starting gig somewhere no question. Oh well, lucky (and smart… can I say that… I think I can now) us.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I guess in all the other excitement about the receivers and the distractions of the draft, the Campbell acquisition *has* been overlooked on da blog.

    Some time back the Emery talked about filling gaps in free agency, and the Bears did pretty well. Except for tackles, of course.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    yep, as you know... that's still my biggest beef dave. Still can't figure that one out.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I think the tackle question comes down to availability. Sure, there were some guys on the draft board still available, and there were some FAs out there. But I guess Emery feels like none of them would be worth the draft pick, the contract, the roster spot or whatever.

    And I think that's true to a large extent... has any team this season (other than Minny) brought in a FA that you wish we could have gotten?

    As to Jason Campbell. My only statement about him is that he's an expensive insurance policy, but given what happened last season I certainly can't complain. It's going to be a one year deal most likely, but he's a welcome addition to the team in my eyes.

    I think the reason Campbell chose the Bears over, say, competing to start in Miami, Seattle or Jacksonville, is because he wants to look good. If he goes to Miami, he's got no recievers. If he goes to Jax, he's got holes all over the place. If he goes to Seattle, he walks into a big QB competition and risks getting benched without proper justification. And on all three teams (with the exception of Seattle) he's not getting more than 6 wins and stands a reasonable chance of being replaced by Matt Barkley after 2013's draft. Not exactly a great audition for your next franchise QB gig.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Cutler made it through 2009, made it until the last half of the NFC championship game while getting fucking pummelled for an entire season in addition to playoff games. Broke a bone in 2011. That has nothing to do with durability it's a bone. Human beings break from time to time. Ripping hammy's, groins, calves, etc because you are fragile , out of shape and prone to injury is one thing. Breaking a bone is completely different and has nothing to do with some sort of toughness issue. he would have been ready for the playoffs regardless if Hanie hadn't stuck his dick in our playoff chances. I won't hear of that Cutler not making it through a season bullshit, i simply won't hear of it.

    Sac is a dork and has some weird thing against Cutler. 2nd year with team, first in martz's shitty system and we're in the nfc championship game with no fucking wr's and he survives assbeating every fucking game. 3rd year we're scoring 30 a game with no offensive line and no wr's. jebus christy mang. Can all the haters just admit that he is the right QB for the team?

    Campbell may have took the gig because it allows him to heal and get paid nicely at the same time, he can always try to start for a team next year.

  • agree

  • http://www.cnn.com/video/?hpt=hp_t2#/video/bestoftv/2012/05/25/exp-early-jack-andraka.cnn

    This is pretty amazing.

    Oh, and being gay is a choice… really? Common trac.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Do I believe that a human being has the faculties to chose not to engage in homosexual intercourse? You Betch! Not sure what your point is with that video. Do you think that my faith means anybody else is less of a human being if they disagree or live a different lifestyle? There is nothing wrong with loving another man or woman in an emotional sense. I have no problem with civil unions for people that want them, I do have a problem with the lawmakers trying to change the definition of one man one woman of marriage. Like it or not, tradition marriage in our society is based on the biblical model, not a secular one. Should I marry my sister? Of course not. I can do it, but there are laws of nature that can effect the outcome of that in an extremely negative way.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    I wish Bible types would quit postulating as if religion was the origin of marriage. In ancient Greece, if a woman's father died without male heirs, she had to marry her closest male relative.

    I may as well postulate that the origin of marriage stems from trust and estate law. In the 12th century, marrying for love was expressly frowned upon.

    Amongst the Comanche tribes, if a family bore a real hottie with great big titties, she could become a problem, a source of jealousy and strife in the tribe, so they'd usually have some sort of contest and the winner got her and took her off the market.

    This "definition" you speak of, probably doesn't come about until 1921, a tiny blip on the timeline.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Hey, I rarely bring these things up, normally other bloggers attach my name to these kind of questions. I guess I could just stop answering them if that would make things go smoother. Really doesn't matter to me one way or another. If this was a rights issue, gays would petition for the same legal rights a married couple has without feeling like they had to change the meaning of traditional marriage. Why is that? Why not eliminate the name of all the different sports and just call everysport, "Sport"? The answer is simple. Whatever you name a thing, society used the name to identify what it is. Gay people want to change the definition of marriage in order to remove the stigma of homosexual unions. I get it. In order for them to do that though, they have to assault religious freedom. At the end of the day, the groups that claim to be fighting for equality have to assault the rights of those that stand on religious freedom which last time I checked, is a constitutional right. I also believe that even if the definition of marriage is changed, it won't change the stigma of being a gay married couple. I will leave you to figure out why that is.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    don't stop answering trac, I asked because I was honestly interested in your thoughts about the subject... and others I've posted to/for you. Not because I want to bash you or have me or others mock you. I respect your views as much as my own... and I know that just because you write them down doesn’t mean I do or have to agree with them.

    The second you stop wanting to learn and grow and expand your perception of the world and others, you're just a turd using up O2.

    GP, play nice. Let’s not stifle discussion shall we… it’s a loooooong fucking off season lads.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    In order for them to do that though, they have to assault religious freedom.

    They do? Getting that piece of paper that changes their tax status and reciprocally entitles them to half of the other person's stuff makes it harder for you to show up at church on Sunday?

    Is that because they are tying up the chapel with their ceremonies? I think most of them go to City Hall.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    oooohhhhh... my goodness....

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Oh ok GP. Don't play coy. The next step will be to force Churches to perform gay marriage services whether they want to or not. You know I'm right. I could give a rip where anyone goes to get married and there are religious organizations where gays can go to get married, just not Christian ones. The whole reason for a church wedding service is for a public proclamation and an opportunity for the minister to bless the marriage. Christianity does not allow for gay marriage within their organization. Once the government does that, freedom of religion is assaulted. This is the ultimate aim of those wanting to change the definition of marriage in my opinion.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    I *absolutely* agree with your third sentence, Trac.
    Evan Sayat, while perhaps a bit over the top, makes some very important points about what avoiding "discrimination" means.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaE98w1KZ-c

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    "Christianity does not allow for gay marriage within their organization." - there are several problems with that statement.
    Where do you want to start?

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Definitions Brownie, definitions. To apply the scriptures in context, mans behavior doesn't define scripture, instead, scripture defines mans behavior. Primarily because Christians believe God was the author of scripture through inspired believers submitting to the will of God. A simple biblical definition of Christianity is probably easiest defined as followers of Christ. Jesus said that if you(believers) love me you will obey me. Jesus did not condemn the women caught in the act of adultry but he told her to go and sin no more. That's a far cry from sanctioning something that clearly is not acceptable behavior according to the scriptures. Just because an organization claims to be part of Christianity, that does not make them a Christian organization because they say so. The government may recognize them as a religious entity, there is a distinct difference. The scriptures reference angels of darkness masquerading as angels of light and any church claiming to be a Christian organization is held to a biblical standard even though you might disagree with that.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Whose biblical standard? Yours and yours alone? How far does someone else interpretation of scripture have to deviate from yours before you consider them an angel of darkness, as you put it?

    Here's the thing about gay marriage, Trac - if you don't like the government imposing on your personal life or religious views, why in the world would you support constitutional amendments that impair the decision-making of mainstream Christian churches to make their own decisions about who they will and will not marry? If a sect of Protestants want to allow gay ministers and perform a religious marriage of a gay couple, why are you OK with the government restricting their free expression of their religious beliefs? Do we only protect them if they are yours?

    And secondly, if we said that the government only recognizes and affirms civil unions, whether heterosexual or homosexual, as opposed to religious marriage vows, would that make any difference to you? The whole "render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's" and all that?

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    actually trac, i just watched it because it looked interesting... when I noticed the kid was obviously very gay, I thought, wow... kid's already gay at such a young age. I was surprised

    Then I just thought I'd post it and ask because it was germane to our ongoing discussions.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    here you go trac, this is probably more your speed: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/24/asexual-mao-sugiyama-cooks-serves-own-genitals_n_1543307.html#s=more228605

    (hee hee)

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Ha, I have a recipe just for you as well. It's called a can of whoop ass.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPsuV3kSNFQ&feature=fvwrel

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Why no pictures of the sick bastards that paid big money to eat this guys junk? This definitely makes my top ten of "what the fuck?"

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    yeah murph... fucking pretty horrid. I was fairly disgusted, and that takes some doing.

  • Bengals are no longer even bothering to PLAY in NFL Games before going to prison. Do not pass go, do not collect rookie minimum.

    http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7971966/cincinnati-bengals-rookie-lb-brandon-joiner-gets-3-years-prison-report-says

  • funny.... really? Really?

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/24/andy-sambergs-harvard-speech_n_1542732.html?ref=topbar

  • she's still SUPER hot. Great body

    adamspeaks Jenny McCarthy on her and Brian Urlacher: “I can confirm that yes, it’s true, we are dating.” m.nbcchicago.com/nbcchicago/art… via @Grizzly_Detail

    Get some!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    The fruit is rapidly approaching withering. Might still be juicy but the clock is ticking.

    http://www.sweetsexgirls.com/galls/jenny_mccarthy_bikini_pics/jenny_mccarthy_bikini_pics_14.jpg

  • In reply to gpldan:

    linky no worky my man.... or I just don't have a membership like you (hee hee)

  • I guess it's good, but will it really impart change unto a system that is so drastically corrupt and backward? Unless they erradicate the drug problem and gangs, this is just a social experiment and media darling. Nothing meaningful, unfortunately, will come of the 'mexican spring'... or invierno (Coach, that's mexican for spring).

    http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/24/world/americas/mexico-protests/index.html?hpt=hp_c1

  • damn man... don't know. wouldn't be surprised if he never played again: http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-spt-0524-pompei-bears-chicago--20120524,0,3842241.column?track=rss

  • soooo fucking excited for this year: http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/chi-chicago-bears-2012-ota-photos,0,3072462.photogallery

  • ok trac, here we go, this is where the discussion gets interesting: http://gma.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blogs/man-admitted-hospital-kidney-stone-discovers-hes-woman-110057308--abc-news-health.html

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    That probably wouldn't be an issue any more. Kids born with mixed up genitalia would probably be DNA tested and found out exactly if they are genetically male or female. I think this differs from the back and forth you and Trac have had going. I tend not to totally believe that story, I have had so many medical tests and not once has a nurse read my results and spewed out any of the results. I can never see a nurse spewing out to some "guy", hey it says here your a woman! I'm gonna tend to think this goes deeper than that story says.

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    Why is it different Murphy .... just cause he/she had vestigial parts inside? The dude knew he was a woman from day 1... in his braid and person. Why's that different from a psychological standpoint?

    Also you do have a good point, no nurse has ever just told me I'm a woman either.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Hmmm. Let me tell you a story about a guy I know. What if I told you that I spent 15 years of my life shagging every broad I could get into bed? What if I told you that there weren’t very many outlets, occupations, sports, beverage or “safe” drugs I didn’t try in an attempt to find my purpose, escape the worries of life or to experience the pleasures of this world and my body? What if I told you that I lived most of my adolescent and adult life searching for something to give me a sense of purpose or gratification and having done so, deep down inside my soul, I still felt I was no closer to discovering the answers to my lifelong questions? What if I told you that when I was 39 years old, I discovered WHO had the answers to my every question, desire and aspiration? What if I told you I discovered that I not only had a body, but a soul as well? That when we die, our soul will live on long after our bodies become dust. A soul that needs more than what this world has to offer. What if I told you that the concept I had thought was love was not love at all and that the selfish condition of the natural man has no limits in pleasuring himself at the expense of others? What if I told you that love is an action not just a feeling and that in order to experience love, you have to know what it is in order to know if you’re even capable of exercising it? What if I told you that love is a learned behavior and is never completed by just taking but by giving, sharing and sacrificing in lieu of other’s needs whether you get something in return or not? What if I told you that I have found that outside of my faith, I was incapable of this kind of love because the love that the natural/sensual man has to offer, has to have something in return in order reciprocate it. What if I told you that because people aren't comfortable with this kind of love, they try to kill it, suppress it, vilify it or make fun of it? What if I tell you Love know’s no hypocrisy?

    I’m just a man guys, but more than that, I believe I have a teacher that is teaching me how to love. I have come to believe that life is way more than if some guy has penis or vagina.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    good for you trac. you get it where you need it man.

    I grew up thinking the world was such a nice easy place to live. When I got older and some of the ups turned to downs I realized what a rough place it really is. You get yours wherever you need it.

  • fb_avatar

    Video, Cutler/Marshall.. fear boners in WI/MI/MN.

  • In reply to Big Mike:

    yes big mike, fear boners amongst the football organizations of GB, DET, MN are erupting constanstly but continued fear boner denial by their fans who are so fucking blind that they can't see their raging fear boners aching to bust out is also rampant. Read the other teams blogs. They are fucking delusional. I'm a homer but even I can admit that the moves we made in the offseason, besides OL, directly impact other teams ability to beat us. Who can cover Marshall, Jeffrey, Bennett and Davis at the same time. Fucking who?? Even Peter King was on the radio admitting that Cutler is going to fucking tear it up this year and the bears are going to work some teams over.

    BEAR DOWN.
    MIR by submission!
    Rum and Cokes pounded!

  • Btw... Where has buttsteak gone!?!?

    Dos santos by ko rd 2.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Mir, submission in rd 2 after surviving near KO in round 1.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    link?

  • http://88.80.11.29/47253/watch-ufc-146-dos-santos-vs-mir

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    uuuuhhhhh.... called it.

  • Happy birthday Lac. 34 on Friday. It's an omen for the return to New Orleans twenty six years later. 26. Matt Suhey. Oh yes.

  • Damn, Jefe. Did you have to return to Ireland because you forgot your wallet or something? Cripes.

  • I was listening to a guy that studies concussions in the medical field and he was able to make it pretty easy to understand how the damage to the brain occurs. Anyhow's, he said that concussions occur from the whiplash action of the head. He said picture the brain stem at the base of the skull being a like a rose. The damage actually starts at the brain stem which is below the brain. If you were to take a rose stem in your hand and whip it back and forth, eventually some of the rose petals will break loose. likewise, the more concussions a guy has, the more damage to the brain stem will occur, it's inevitable. He said you can take several severe concussions over a long period of time and recover without any long term effects whatsoever. But if a player has multiple concussions over any amount of time, the results can and probably will be severe as far as any irreversible damage to the base of the brain. It's just a matter of time guys, the NFL cannot sustain ongoing lawsuits because the science is now in place to draw a clear factual picture of how unsafe the game is as it's currently played. We may be looking at the last few years of full contact football.

  • http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/05/26/bears-have-doubts-that-matt-fortes-knees-can-hold-up/

    RU OH

  • Considering sweetness only missed one game due to injury in his entire career and he had considerable mileage under his belt well before his 13th and final season, I can hardly believe Matt's mileage is cause for concern at this point in time. I do think it's legitimate for the Bears not to feel comfortable with a top dollar long term deal until they see how Matt performs in the first few games. This sounds like contract talk posturing if you ask me.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    He's already shown that he's less than Payton-esque regarding injuries Trac. I see many more in his future.

    Forte is asking for money based on him being 40% of our offense once upon a time. Newsflash Matt - Michael Bush and Brandon fucking Marshall are in town so you can STFU and sit down.

  • http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/05/26/forte-responds-to-concerns-about-his-knees/

    Matt responds. I also think that it is highly unlikely anyone from Halas Hall would be speaking out of turn to the trib given how delicate this situation has become with Matt. I call uncle on the Tribs anonymous source.

  • To which he had a video response : ....

    http://www.twitvid.com/OPVBZ

  • Scotland vs USA tonight!!

    What a pointless game.

  • "@MattForte22: 100Lbs sled up hill i think my knee will be ok RT @nfl: Bears concerned with Matt Forte's knees: http://t.co/7QYaoOnh http://t.co/mLexq2s9"

  • My new predict of OL:

    Webb - LT
    Chico
    Garza
    Louis
    Cookie - RT

    Yep, Cookie RT.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    yep... we're fucked

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    we're still going to do well but we will lose some games because of that offensive line. how do you ignore that fucking line?????

  • I will be so fucking pissed if we get all the way and eat it in the big game again... or if jay loses his life.

    Fuck man.

    btw, see the fight?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    try this link
    knowing you
    you have already seen this
    regarding Tice's O -Philosophy

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-spt-0527-pompei-bears-mike-tice-chicago--20120527,0,84510.column

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    i run B+ blood
    through my system
    you should run some of
    the good old B POSITIVE
    through your head
    when the thoughts of fear
    concerning our O-Line
    come to haunt your
    fragile eggshell mind
    keeping within the religious symmetry
    of this lengthy thread
    Paul said: A Double Minded Man Is Unstable
    IN ALL HIS WAYS
    whenever scary thoughts come in
    us the meditaters ointment on it
    see Mike Tice calling a play
    that helps strengthen the weakness
    for our line that week
    that nullifies the negative
    and turns that play for loss
    into a 10 yard gainer
    there is an article in the trib
    about Tices offensive Philosophy
    it may help calm your jittery nerves
    or try some other form of medication
    in any event we will prevail in 2012
    Bearing Down is all about
    The B+

  • In reply to huntinbare:

    +1
    I couldn't have said it better myself! Amen!

  • In reply to huntinbare:

    If Jay and Lach are excited, I'm excited.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    You're excited? YOU'RE excited?!? LOOK AT THESE NIPPLES!!

  • In reply to huntinbare:

    eaggshell mind... really?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    sorry for the pink floyd reference
    it was just me jumping in to say hi
    in a sick sort of way
    never ever take my drivel personally
    just bustin' chops...mostly
    but i do believe with more "tice" control
    the line will "hold - up" just fine
    you know...they were running the ball effectively
    and hopefully that will translate into an O
    with passing and running capabilities of equal power
    then tice can dial up his strategy according to
    our opponents weaknesses
    i have read more than one writer say that he likes
    to prepare game plans that prey on opponents vulnerabilities
    NO MORE of the stubborn "lets see if you can stop this" martz mentallity
    take what they give us
    to the bank
    all day long
    and when they get demoralized
    a heavy dose of bush forte and clutz
    till the clock runs out

    we got knocked out last year
    but we are coming back in a BIG way
    we are going to put fear into opponents
    and fracture there thinking processes
    as they prepare to face us

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    no,missed the link, followed on live chat with Kevin Iole. Mir will go down as one of the better heavyweights ever to have fought but just couldn't take down the new crops of terminators like Carwin and Dos Santos.

    He is a good dude, great athlete and a warrior but Dos Santos is a fucking machine.

  • This is just plain crazy!
    http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/26/11899538-report-miami-police-shoot-naked-man-chewing-on-victims-face?fb_ref=.T8I2Syw_4UQ.like&fb_source=home_multiline

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    Just another lovely day in Miami, I guess. If it ain't the gators or the sharks, it's one of the crazies. Yikes.

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    Can't even begin to make light of something as disturbing as this Murph.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    Can't means won't try, Trac. I know you can do it.

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    you are bringing a balanced approach
    as always
    we now have the "voodo canabalist religion"
    represented on the pages of our moral thread
    they should be made to wear facemasks
    if invited to any future blog functions

  • Now this, I could have some fun with.

    http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/bizarre/shoplifter-went-on-piggly-wiggly-rampage-789304

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    Look at her being all coy in her mug shot. What a minx.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    While reading this paragraph, "When a Piggly Wiggly employee--who had been tipped to the pilfering by a shopper--asked Appling about the concealed items, she tried to exit the store", I substituted "eat" for "exit". It was plausible.

    At 340 lbs - gentlemen, I think it's possible we've found our long-awaited solution to our offensive line problems. Get Emery on a plane before the Packers sign her to play Nose Tackle.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    that's a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooootta loving right there.

    Hey, even fat chicks need love, right?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    She is nearly three times the woman my wife is. Geeeeeyad.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Don't look at me MB. I'm outta the fat chick biz. My Beloved Bride is 5'6" and 115. I've seen the light!!!!!!!!!!

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    hahahahahaha

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    Enlightenment of this ilk keeps me coming back to this blog.

  • Oh those Lions...

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82960bef/article/fairley-arrested-for-dui-attempting-to-elude-police?module=HP11_headline_stack

  • In reply to DYLbear23:

    ha! wtf is wrong with these fucking guys? Since he was a high first rounder he will get 2 more chances before even the classless Lions say goodbye.

  • That draft class has to be setting some kind of record for stupidity and bad luck.
    Dumber, dumber, and dumber.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    You guys are too hard on him. All of us have passed a cop car at 100 mph with an open container in the car. Haven't we? OK, maybe he is dumber than a stump. He didn't pull over right away so the cops tacked on eluding the police. At this point Goodell has to say something.

  • In reply to DYLbear23:

    wtf is a piggly wiggly!?!

    Something is actually named that? Has to be a sick joke.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    It's a grocery store chain. AND a magnet for fat chicks!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    You really never heard of Piggly Wiggly? There was a chain of meat and grocery stores in Chicago called Moo and Oink. They filed bankruptcy but I think the name is going on with some reorganization. What kind of grocery stores down in San Diego?

  • fuck me. http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2012-05-26/brian-urlacher-chicago-bears-free-agency-minicamps-otas?icid=maing-grid7%7Cmain5%7Cdl2%7Csec3_lnk1%26pLid%3D164672

    Severely sprained ankle!?!?!?!? Uhhhhh, I think that’s ‘ACL’ geeeeniuses.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    You mean "mcl"?

  • smart ass.

    ...I just know it wasn't his ankle, right?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    That's a big mistake by yahoo. Sad that they haven't fixed it yet.

  • it's yahoo erik

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Lol I thought it was aol?

    Did you see how I did that?

  • You've got to be shittin me! When will these asshat politicians stop playing with the lives and future of our sons and daughters. They're thinking about sending troops to Syria? Really? Why is the press silent on this all of a sudden? Why do they only rail against this kind of bs when their guy isn't in the White House? Wake up America, bring home ALL our Troops.

    http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/dotmil/2012/02/09/escalation-senators-call-for-us-military-action-in-syria

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    Amen Brotha. I think it's time for you and all of us Americans to get over the notion that the press will ever do it's job. Doesn't matter who's in the white house. The press has become a puppet, controlled by those whose lies their job is to divulge.

    I'll tell you one place we should be sending troops. To Wall Street and the White House front door. Let's put em all in graves and start this whole thing over. Hold on. Someone's knocking on my door.

  • Surround the Federal Reserve Doc. They control the WH & Wall Street. The Occupy Wall Street movement is a diversion, the world bankers that make up the Fed are the real Frankenstien's, not a bunch of stock brokers playing craps with worthless pieces of paper.

  • Today we give thanks to all who have served or are currently serving in our nations armed forces protecting our rights, freedom and democracy around the globe. We remember the brave men and women who made the ultimate sacrifice to make the world a better place. We remember the spirit in which they gave their lives to protect those unable or unwilling to fight for the liberties we enjoy today. Thank you.

  • In reply to Shady:

    Hear, hear Shady for they truly deserve better that what they're getting from our fearless leaders . Let me add that I am extremely pissed that they are now being used as expendable pawns by a bunch of pansy ass scumbag politicians and I don't like it one bit.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    Short and to the point:

    LIKE:
    veterans and those who gave their lives for us

    DISLIKE:
    pany ass scumbag politicians

    CONFUSED:
    http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/chi-emery-bears-marshall-has-capacity-to-change-20120528,0,7911929.story

    not the story mind you but why a 5'10 181lb slow white WR wiht bad hands and little use on special teams is in this fucking photograph and apparently still on the motherfucking team.

  • I did not used to feel this way Johnny. I used to have unquestioning loyalty to anything military. This fiasco we have going on in the middle east grieves me because I know there can never be a clear victory, ever, only loss of life. Afghanistan has broken almost every empire that has tried to subdue it. America used to fight wars because there was a clear and present danger to our Country and when we fought them, we fought to win them. Can anybody tell me why we're still there?

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    never have unquestioning loyalty to anything run by a guy or bunch of guys that stand to benefit financially or that can secure a pension or future favors by staying in as long as possible. (military leadership, politicians, unions, corporations, etc)

    As I'm sure you can agree,you can be loyal, just don't be a mindless robot. Also, I don't really agree with you on the last part regarding what kind of wars we used to fight but I have to grill for the fam so we can pick this up at a later date.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    I suggest reading "The Savage Wars of Peace" by Max Boot (who I probably disagree with politically as much as you possibly can) - our military history is way, way more complex than only the "just" wars. Hell, I'm not even sure where WWI would fit into that.
    Interventionism has been part of US foreign policy since our first post-Independence naval encounters. Even in the midst of our deepest periods of isolationism from European affairs, we were putting troops on foreign soil, welcomed or otherwise, for a variety of reasons. And nearly always, until the modern-day history of the Joint Forces, it was the Marine Corps.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    And you know all that, but I'm responding directly to the "good old days" argument.
    The fact that Pakistan is essentially a failed state is probably the only reason we're still in Afghanistan, if you want to cut to the bone.
    And on that note, I , in no uncertain terms, think it is revisionist history at best to say that the AQ camps (with the complicity of the ruling Taliban) in Afghanistan did NOT present a clear and present danger to the US in 2001. They certainly did.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Just war? I don't think that's a practical way to look at war. How about fighting back against a brutal aggressive dictator with his goal being World Conquest? That was a war America had to fight.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    Let's call it the "Good War" view then...it's the same point.
    Go back 200 years in our history and we've been involved in literally hundreds of small-scale military interventions, invasions, and punitive actions. I'm saying that the idea we "used to" only get involved in a) wars that had an end-by-date, or b) were conducted in self-defense, is bunkum.

    Our intervention in the European theater of WWII is probably not the best argument that you can make for the good old days either. We intervened against Hitler for a dozen reasons, none of which were that he presented any immediate or even short-term threat to the CONUS. The Japanese Empire, albeit only in hindsight, falls into that category as well.
    Heck, had the Brits not waited for the French invasion by Germany to trigger a military response to Hitler, the world would not have spent the next 6 years burning.
    Intervention has its place.

  • A very worth while 3:15 if you have the time gents.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tkDeB1Wgaw

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    My favorite quote was, "sometimes it is entirely appropriate to kill a fly with a sledgehammer".

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    Think Packers!

  • Of note on Memorial Day:

    http://coldhardfootballfacts.com/Articles/11_5400_A_Memorial_Day_tribute_to_NFL%27s_fallen_heroes.html

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4MG2pjgtnM

  • In reply to Shady:

    Thanks for that Shady.....

  • Hey y'all. Happy Memorial Day mofus.

    I actually had a bbq yesterday, so that today I can really relax. Can't believe that the NBA playoffs, on a holiday weekend, wasn't on reg tv. That is BS. And they wonder why the NFL is so popular.

  • Hats off to all military personnel, past and present. Thanks for the commitment and dedication. It is truly appreciated.

  • On a BBQ note, had some awesome tri-tip and baby back ribs. Was talking BBQ with another visiting bbq master who has some years and much more experience than I in that department.

    He was telling me how smoked brisket takes up to 24 hours to make, and of course, now I wanna make it. Any of you ever done it? If so, what was your method?

    He was also relaying an old northwest recipe called "Fish Candy" (a native american reciped I think) - smoked salmon glazed with maple syrup syrup, some other sweet ingredient, and smoked with apple wood (which is also now on my bbq bucket list).

    Love talking BBQ around the grill. Or football. or Beer. All and I'm in mangasm heaven.

  • I did a quick google search to help my memory, and it's actually called "Indian Candy" and the other sweet ingredient was molasses, though I could've sworn he told me something else. Anyhow, I'm sure there's a number of variations. Nevertheless, they all sound awesome.

    http://www.fishsniffer.com/recipes/salmon12.html

  • Give it a good rub, my kid uses Salt,Pepper,Cayenne, Paprika, garlic, onion and touch of brown sugar. Use the kind of chips you prefer, maple, apllewood, or mesquite. Mesquite is the least favorite. Set thermostat for 225-250 and re-add chips as needed. about 12 hours or so will do it just fine. He makes some of the best I've ever had.

  • PULLED PORK
    Adapted from Chris Schlesinger
    4 tablespoons paprika
    4 tablespoons brown sugar
    2 tablespoons kosher salt
    2 tablespoons cracked black pepper
    2 tablespoons ground cumin
    2 tablespoons chili powder
    2 tablespoons dry mustard
    2 tablespoons ground coriander
    1 tablespoon cayenne pepper
    http://www.nytimes.com/2003/07/02/dining/the-chef-chris-schlesinger-barbecue-you-could-do-it-in-your-sleep.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm

  • The war in the middle east has averaged slightly under 2 deaths per day. WWII averaged 416 per day. It's hard to fathom the magnitude of that war. Vietnam 26, Korea 45, Civil War 599, WWI 279

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    Those are U.S. combat casualties.

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    I think the number of casualties doesn't bother Americans as much as the purpose for war. The country was founded in part to get away from the centuries of essentially blood feuds in Europe. That is why we were so reluctant to enter both WWI and WWII. It's not so much "isolationism" but "Those crazy ass Europeans want to murder each other, again!" It's like that one crazy couple you don't want to get involved with. But for various reasons (I'm sure Irish will promote his theories), we did.

    And the casualties were high, as expected. The Japanese assumed that we wouldn't have the stomach for such high casualties. They were wrong. The only reason Japan even exists now was out of mercy. Some members of the U.S. Military wanted to nuke it out of existence, and we could have (along with the U.S.S.R before they stole our secrets).

    I think what bothers the avg American more than the casualty count is the REASON for entering a war. Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan weren't clear cut enemies - they were more politically motivated than say WWI, WWII, and the Civil. And losing even one life for an ambiguous motive is losing one life too many.

  • If anything, the initial invasion of Afghanistan was far more justifiable than the 2003 Iraq War, as it came immediately on the heels of the 9/11 attacks. Now, the process of dealing with the peace, such as its was, once the Taliban had been removed from power, is a different story entirely.

    Iraq is a different story altogether.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    This says it all Brownie. America has blown their wad and it's going to take a very long time to recover from our middle east policy over the last 12 years.

    http://www.economist.com/node/17797714

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    This isn't apocryphal - when I heard the news we were going to invade Iraq, I said to my co-worker that we're going to win the war - but I have no idea how we'll win the peace.

    As I said above, Pakistan is the key to what has happened in Afghanistan.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I agree. Initially, Afghan was a valid target. They shielded extremist who were plotting violent attacks on U.S. soil. That dog won't hunt.

    But why we're STILL there is beyond me. Some may argue that it's to keep a "footprint" on the region, namely, a deployable force to keep an eye on India/Pakistan/China/N.Korea.

    However, is that really worth 2 solider's/day?

    Don't think so. But the U.S. has gotten in the bad habit of never leaving a military base once it's established, and then everyone wonders why our deficit is so high. When one tries to close said bases in useless theatres, they're called "unpatriotic"! It baffles the mind.

  • I agree with the stupid "unpatriotic" attack on anyone that debates the wisdom of our defense policy. It does befit the rest of our political climate though. It's really easy to toss that one out there and watch opponents duck for cover.

    In regards to why we're still there, see my response to Trac below. We were doing the right thing the wrong way in a country that lends itself to making that process as difficult as possible because of its fractious nature, sharing a long, barely patrolled border with the next most dysfunctional country in the region - and which, oh by the way, was keeping Bin Laden nice and safe the whole time.

    Iraq, different tune.

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    WWII Vets were the greatest Generation of my lifetime. It's amazing the level of sacrifice those men gave to this World, let alone this Country. I marvel at the sacrifice any family has made on behalf of this country by losing a loved one in the Armed Forces. I'm sorry, but that's why I get so angry when I think about these young kids getting their legs blown off and dying in the middle east. For what? They are not fighting for freedom as Americans have come to understand it. Our country has missed the mark in this war I think. That part of the world thinks America is the great satan and they will never submit to western culture. Sure there are college students and a class of people over there that want peace and actually want the kind of freedom the rest of the world enjoys but they will never be able to change the religious culture over there.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    What do you suggest we should have done in October 2011 when the Taliban refused to surrender Bin Laden?
    I am genuinely curious - not picking here.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    We should have gone in, kicked their asses, lined up every known taliban leader against the wall that aided Bin Laden and shot them and then withdrawn back to America. That's the only way you can deal with that kind of an enemy. Somewhere along the way, our politicians forgot how to fight a war because they got suckered into nation building. No protracted war in the region will ever be successful.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    BTW, nation-building is what we had to do in Europe and Asia after WWII as well. I don't think it's quite the epithet that you're using it as.
    Again - one word: Pakistan.
    You can shoot all the Taliban guys you can find, leave, and find that their replacements were drinking tea across the border...only now, they have promotions because you shot their rivals. And they still hate you just as much.
    That's not a solution - it's not even much of an effort. If you're going to commit to what we did, which was overthrowing the ruling government of a state, albeit a completely dysfunctional one like Afghanistan, you owe the 99% of the country that isn't murdering bastards more than just hauling ass out once you've overthrown the only government (good, bad, or flat out fucking crazy) that they have. If you can't be bothered to do one, don't do the other.
    The point of staying there as long as we have was the fix the fundamental conditions that led to a) the Taliban and b) their willingness to support AQ economically and politically. Whether we've taken the right approach to addressing that over the past 11 years is debatable (not really - we've screwed it up). The need to try once we committed ourselves to kicking the Taliban out is...not so much.
    Doing otherwise doesn't solve anything, it just puts it off a bit.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    There's a fundamental difference between rebuilding Germany/Japan after WWII and what we're trying to do in Islamic countries: desire for democracy.

    While Germany and Japan weren't exactly models of democracy, they did have some history with it, that pretty much got hijacked by lunatics. It's too long to go into, but neither Afghanistan or Iraq had anything resembling a western infrastructure. Their peoples did NOT (do not) want a democracy as we know it, or as Japan and Germany wanted after their defeat.

    If we're trying to change a 5,000 year old culture, we're going to have to be involve a lot longer, and may actually impede the process more by being villainized.

    Facebook democratized Libya, etc more than our wars on Iraq and Afghanistan which cost billions of dollars and thousands of lives.

    Why? Because those nation's people took it on themselves to initiate the ousting of their tyrants.

  • Exactly 85. Japan and Germany surrendered. No country in the Middle East has surrendered to the U.S., nor will they. What they have done is bargain for peace in order to fight another day. This is a crucial strategy behind Islamic Law. Peace is only allowed as an option in order to regroup and reposition themselves. To not understand this about their culture is pure arrogance.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    On 11 September 2011, I remember all the blathering on TV about how many losses America was willing to make to deal with those responsible.

    I do not recall them asking even once the *important* question, which was and is how many would we are willing to kill.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    Without air cover and logistical support by allied countries, Libya's rebels were dead men walking. Facebook's greatest achievement was getting Western voters to support engagement by their governments.

    Japan was absolutely a nation-building effort in every sense of the word. While culturally, politically, and religiously, Germany had some recent frame of reference for the shared Western values of Parlimentary democracy, Japan was a completely different case. Changing all of that took an extraordinarily long occupation, a huge investment, and the extraordinary efforts of MacArthur and the US Army for decades beyond victory.

    Trac, Afghanistan's problem has much less to do with Islam and much more to do with a tribal culture that puts clan first, clan second, and clan third.Country comes somewhere way down the list. And the Iraq Civil War was the result of a completely arrogant idea that democracy would just pop up after the Baathist party was removed. We did as close to nothing to rebuild that country as we could before it became obvious to everyone what was happening.
    I think you are woefully mischaracterizing the aftermath of each war in an effort to make some bigger point about Islam in general.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    I am soooo tired of the "greatest generation" bullshit. That generation also gave us Lyndon Johnson, and were responsible for the twin disasters of the Vietnam War and the Great Society.

    The "greatest" generation was attacked by a belligerent power (whether the Japanese were "goaded" into it is not relevant in terms of the civilian attitude), and vis-a-vis Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan, it was extremely clear who the good guys were. Subsequent generations dragged into wars have not had the benefit of "fighting the good fight", exactly as you point out, Trac.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    What about Korea?

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    This generation would be incapable of making the sacrifices that the WWII generation made in order to prosecute the war Dave. That is my point. Our country does not have the stomach for it anymore. You can't talk a rabid dog into not attacking you. You have to shoot it.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    It is telling that you pick LBJ and Social Security as two of the three low-points of the pre-Boomer generation.

  • 100 days 'til football. Windows rolled down, arm out the window, on the road to NOLA. Yessir.

  • Browine.....C'mon man. Do you really think I'm trying to create a boogeyman by referencing Islam? When a person is born in the middle east, their first identity is their faith. They are born into Islam, Judaism or Christianity for the most part. The main goal of Islam is to govern the world with Sharia Law. You can argue that most Muslims are not violent extremists but you err when you think that is enough to "win" them over. Even non violent Muslims will openly admit the ultimate goal of their faith is to implement worldwide sharia law. The only way to eliminate the threat of radical Islam is to eliminate it as a religion all together. In order to do that, a lot of people would have to die. It ain't gonna happen.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    You're getting it exactly wrong with Afghanistan - their first identity is their clan. Even the Palestinian Christian I was friends with in college was quite vociferously a Palestinian first. It's not nearly as simple as you're saying it is.
    And correct me if I'm wrong, but other than Buddhism, name a major religion that doesn't have the spreading of its word and conversion to its doctrine at the top of the priority list. A rose by any other name...

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Sorry Brownie, I disagree. Your argument about a rose is a rose doesn't fly with me. Christianity does not seek to impose Christian government rule. This is where I think the evangelical's get it wrong. Christianity as I believe it, seeks to offer salvation of a mans soul through a personal loving relationship with Christ. You are free to reject Christ's message without threat of physical death. Islam seeks to impose Sharia law unto death. Have you been to Saudi Arabia lately? I've got a couple of real simple question's for you Brownie. What religion was the governing religion in Afghanistan when we indvaded? What Laws govern Afghanistan? The answer is Islam and Sharia Law. They are and have been an Islamic Republic.

    http://world-leaders.findthebest.com/l/70/Afghanistan

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    You're missing the the trees for the forest.
    First, it's mostly irrelevant what your personal interpretation of Christianity is since the facts of the matter are that the Church, in myriad forms over the millenia, has both passively and often times aggressively converted foreigners (hell, even other Christians in the same country) by the book and by the sword. You may believe its a religion of peace, but many, many others have been killed in its name.
    That's no different than what has happened with Islam. For centuries, Islam actually would have been considered the more tolerant of the two faiths, at least in terms of its treatment of non-believers versus Western European countries where heretics (both Protestants and Catholics) were put to the sword or burned alive for believing in the wrong version of the Bible. Is that true now? No, although not categorically, but both religions have a bloody history, particularly amongst their own sects. Shia versus Sunni conflict has been at least as violent as Islam versus Christianity - which is what was going on in Iraq for a decade after we invaded, along with several neighboring countries wanting to gain Iraq's oil resources, etc, by supporting factions therein.
    All of that aside, engaging the Muslim portion of the world on the terms you describe is precisely what the extremists among them want.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    This is why you when you allow non-believers to influence church government within the body of Christ, Christianity misses the mark Brownie. This is what I meant when I mentioned Angels of darkness masquerading as Angels of light. Christ's message is so simple man has felt the need to add to or take away from it over the centuries. The end result is people such as yourself who find it difficult to see the message of Christ for what it is but easy to see error of humanity masquerading as Christianity.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    I understand your point, but I disagree with you that non-believers are the crux of the problem. They may have been "differently-believers" (bastardizing a term there) than you, but many of them believed. My point is that you can't paint Islam with a broad stroke like that; it's just as easy to do the same to Christianity if you look at it from a broader perspective than just your own personal beliefs and actions. Both are so much more complex, for good and bad.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    Take a cartoon of Muhammad wearing a bra to any muslim country, this should allow you to test my theory rather quickly.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    If you want to talk about extremists in religion being violent and intolerant, we're going to be here all day.

  • From the Department of Redundancy Department comes this headline from the NY Daily News:
    "SMU crane suspect dies after plummeting to his death"
    He was suspected of "crane"? Why that's terrible! And he died twice in one day. That's even worse.

    The story included this gem of a sentence:
    "A nearly 15-hour standoff between a man accused of robbing a truck and Dallas police ended early Tuesday when the suspect plummeted to his death from a construction crane."
    So he robbed a truck AND the Dallas police...and it ended early? When was it supposed to end?

    Where does the Daily News find its journalism students? A bin?

  • Just enjoy it.. don't be mad..just enjoy it.

    http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/2fbed587d7/tom-brady-s-wicked-accent

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