Audibles From the Long Snapper: On the Offensive Line, Rashaan Salaam and other stuff...

Audibles From the Long Snapper: On the Offensive Line, Rashaan Salaam and other stuff...


J'Marcus Webb is going to be the starter at left tackle for the Bears in 2012. Right or wrong decision I have continually cited Mike Tice's comments on the position as my rationale for the belief. Brad Biggs did a nice job digging up the quotes for his almost absurdly long post-draft column:

“Here is what I saw with him: Second-year player playing one side one year and one side another,” Tice said. “I thought he was adequate. I thought his consistency grade -- how many times does he block his guy – his consistency grade was actually solid. What grade was bad was the critical errors, the sacks, penalties, not really a ton of quarterback hits. When he made a critical error, everyone knew what it was. But, what you look at is the development of a second-year, seventh-round draft pick. Is he a guy we can move forward and win with?

“Well, if you change your drops and you’re not always in the deep drops. If you change your philosophy of making sure the guy gets chip help from a back or a tight end. If you change and move the release point of the quarterback, you’re going to already make him better without making him better. And then you have an entire offseason and now you have a chance to make him better there. So there are two ways I just told you we can get him better in. And then already I think he is a very good run blocker. That is an area that doesn’t get talked about. Do I think he is the guy moving forward? Yes, I do unless some miracle happens and an elite first-round pick that we couldn’t pass up fell in our lap which I doubt. Yeah, he’s our guy moving forward.”

Tice blames Martz and the Martz system for Webb's public failings in 2011. And this team is not going to cut ties with the monster tackle until they've given him an opportunity to succeed in a simpler, more manageable system.


I remember being down Gunnel Oval in Kearny, New Jersey. Little League baseball. I was in blue pinstripes for Kearny Florist and a buddy ran over to me to tell me the Bears had drafted Penn State's great running back Rashaan Salaam. I was convinced the second coming of Walter Payton had arrived. It hadn't. Salaam gives some telling quotes to Fred Mitchell in the Trib:

"I didn't realize coming up how much work you had to put in once you got to the NFL," he said. "It's a whole different lifestyle. You have to change the way you live. You have to change who you hang out with. You have to totally get focused on your game. You have the athletic ability, but if you don't put the work behind it, nothing will come from it."

Salaam admitted many years ago that his partying and use of marijuana contributed to his downfall as a player.

"I had no discipline. I had all the talent in the world," he said. "You know, great body, great genes. But I had no work ethic and I had no discipline. The better you get, the harder you have to work. The better I got, the lazier I got."

It is so easy to trash general management when draft picks go awry. But there are very few tests one can apply to know whether an individual cares about the game. Salaam didn't. And he squandered the opportunity for a brilliant care and legendary status in Chicago.


A lot of people have been guessing where 19th overall selection will line up for the Chicago Bears. Some have guessed he'll be starting for Nick Roach and operating as a blitzing backer. Some have wondered if he's the heir apparent to Brian Urlacher. My guess? He's just a plain old defensive end. Nothing fancy at all. In the Bears system the defensive end is a three-down player that must be solid against the run and rush the passer. That's the role McClellin will fill. The Bears are looking for him to be Alex Brown with more sacks.


The 2012 Bears Blog t-shirt and koozie will go on-sale simultaneously on the blog by the end of May. The site will on vacation (I'm going to Ireland) from May 10-19. After that we'll get the system set up to accept orders. Unlike previous years we'll be doing all the orders at once. The first orders will be filled before July 4th. The second set of orders will be filled by Labor Day.

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  • In reply to Big Mike:

    MVP on the first. Confident. Succinct. Nice.

  • I really can't wait to get some of those shirts.

    Who got you into football?

  • 3rd! Like the 3rd place Lions!

  • Also, since Artoo didn't claim 2nd, I claim it and present you with the 2nd round pick, who may very well be the 1st WR who should have been drafted: Alshon Jeffrey

  • 1. not a fan of this strategy as you all know ad nauseum. Not much we can do about it now but hang on and hope to hell a 7th round last in the NFL tackle can be save by a scheme change. I'd really rather not leave our franchises' life in the balance, but hey, I'm not a Chi Bears coach.

    2. I told you my RS story. I knew the guy well in high school. I knew his HS coach really well… he was my coach through 9th grade. He was a good kid who got treated like god at a very small 8-man football school. Never had the chance to get his clock cleaned by the public HS I went to, early… sad story. Saw him at my gym a few years back. Still huge. Too bad.

    3. Agree 100%. Doc, lach’s replacement… wha?!?!! Dude was drafted to be a consistently effective version of Izzy.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Dont write off the Highlander playing LB in a different scheme down the road. This would be a good way to prepare for life after 'Lach.

  • In reply to Shady:

    dude, silly. We will draft lach's replacement in next year's draft... or get one in FA (like lofton this year). He's a DE maings... not a fucking ILB. Now if Harddin put on 40-50 LBs and proved himself to be injury proof, I would be VERY down with that plan.

    But, like murph I think, posted yesterday... doing what it takes to get a guy like Manti Te'o in the draft is what we really need.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Actually, 30-35 pounds would probably be enough.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    Just sit him next to Biggsy all off-season and that should take care of itself.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Have faith man. KC's O-line went from worst to first just through scheming. I don't believe they added any new starters as far as I can recall.

    I'm confident our starting line will do well, but any injuries could make the wheels come off the bus.

  • +1

    i keep going back to the "5 sacks in 5 games" stat from last season after martz was forced to re-evaluate his game planning. we can be successful with this line. won't say it will be the greatest line in the history of history, but it won't be as sky-is-falling as many people are saying.

  • Here was my rah-rah little post from last thread.

    I think the Meows will crash, just like the Bucs. They didn't beat a team with a winning percentage, and their schedule is much tougher now.

    The Jags, not the Colts, will be in last place because Luck is already better than Gabbert.

    The Eagles are good on paper for the 2nd straight year, but Vick always gets injured. He's usually out for about 4 games/year. In that division, that's roughly about 3 extra losses.

    Bengals will regress. Don't know why, a sophomore Qb always regresses (Bradford) - in that tough division, that's the difference.

    2012 "Surprise" Team: Da Bears. Happens every year. Cutler's inj may have been a blessing in disguise; it enabled Angelo, Martz, Ruskell to get fired - Tice to move up to OC, Bates to be re-united with Cutler - Emery to be hired, and as such, trade/sign for Marshall, Campbell, Bush AND draft DE McBraveheart and WR Alson.

    Because of our 8-8 record last year, our schedule is not as tough, and we get back two first round Olinemen in Carimi and Williams.

    Down the cool aid boys.

  • In response to the premature Power Ranking, which is as useful as the premature ejaculation.

  • You've got to be kidding me 85. Why not just do away with playoff games and adopt the college bowl ranking system . What a bunch of bozo's. How can they do that show with a straight face.

  • When you look at the hammering we gave the Lions in Soldier field last season with what we had, you'd have to assume we'll roll them. The Packers got tougher on defense in this draft though. Let battle commence.

  • Rashaan Salaam went to CU, not Penn State. ;-)

  • In reply to youknowwho:

    It was Curtis Enis from Penn State who stunk it up as a Bears' #1.

  • o.k...o.k.. I had to wake up from hibernation before camp..I wish we could get a fourth rounder like ignore douchey Larry but TT really has a good breakdown...

  • The avg height/weight for a 4-3 DE is, you guessed it, 6'3 260. We just got so spoiled with Pepp, Melton, Izzy that we think anyone not 6'7 280 is too small.

    McBraveheart will be the Anderson to our D in 2012, and hopefully, he has just as many sacks as he did in his rook year. We can worry about McBraveheart being a 3 down DE after this season.

    Also, the nickle package is now used 60% of the time on D (I imagine this might go up for us since we face the pass happy Pack and Lions 4 times), so that might explain not only McClullin, but ta CB/S with 4.4 speed selected in the 3rd as well as the plethora of CBs signed and drafted.

  • if you missed my rant I will now give you 1.2 upgrade from the previous thread:

    It's already begun..and I'm loving no luv to our boyzzzzzz:



    WOW. I feel better now, going to hibernate till camp..THAT IS ALL!!!!

  • Not the most flattering picture of Tice, kinda looks like he'd been staying up 'till 3a in the Halas Hall dungeon studying tape, eating cupcakes and pounding MGDs.

    Jeff I'd like to get your take on this b/c you didn't really analyze the quote we've been reading all week now, but will the change in play calling really make THAT big of a difference that would shouldn't be concerned about keeping Cutler upright? I mean, Webb has had an opportunity to get better, but the improvement has been marginal at best. As stubborn as Martz was with his play calling, he finally came around to more logical play calling. But did the issues of the oline magically disappear? Of course not, they just weren't record setting bad. As I've said, the dynamic between Cutty, Tice and Bates should be interesting to follow regardless of who is starting.

  • In reply to Shady:

    and where were YOU last night? Out with other friends? Playing other, more fun, games I'm sure.

    I can smell the xbox on you now. You pig, how could you do that to Doc, Rabbit, and me? You said you loved playing the new maps with us, you said we fulfilled you!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Hahaha my bad dood, I'll check in later tonight.

  • In reply to Shady:

    hot date? Common maings... I'm fucking old and married with 2 kids... I have to live vicariously through you young bucks with great stories about unveiling new strange and surprise use of the stinger. Hook us up.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    What's a hot date?

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    What's a date?

  • In reply to Shady:

    Hey, if I got to sit around at Halas Hall until 3 am watching tape and getting ready to be Cutty's OC....I'd probably say fuck it and start pounding MGDs and Hostess cupcakes too. That's the good life.

    Speaking of which, I bought the damn was bad enough you left me high and dry at the draft party for a dog...

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    a small, angry, German dog with a serious inferiority complex no less.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Yeah, that's the salt in the wound.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Shady, you gonna take the dog bowling and rent him some shoes?

  • I know this is a bit long, but it's worth relaying/reposting as it's pertinent to the Bears situation. It was written on Feb 24, well before the draft. For the record, Vikes DID go with the franchise LT.

    "INDIANAPOLIS -- When he first made the suggestion last week, it slipped through the figurative space in my head. The second time, I took note. And when Minnesota Vikings GM Rick Spielman mentioned Thursday for the third, fourth and fifth times "the old adage" about valuing playmakers over left tackles when developing a quarterback, I started to get suspicious.

    As you know, Spielman's Vikings own the No. 3 overall pick in the 2012 draft, a spot of prime real estate that has recently has used to solidify one of football's most difficult and important positions. The Vikings have an obvious need at the position, having jettisoned Bryant McKinnie on the eve of training camp last summer, and it's quite possible that the consensus top left tackle in the draft -- USC's Matt Kalil -- will be theirs for the taking.

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    Christian PonderKevin C. Cox/Getty ImagesChristian Ponder was sacked 30 times last season as Minnesota had problems protecting the quarterback.
    Conventional wisdom would tell you that a young quarterback such as the Vikings' Christian Ponder must be protected above all else. He should be comfortable behind his offensive line, and there is no greater enemy to such confidence than a backside protector who can't play.

    Finding a high-quality left tackle is rare and usually requires a first-round draft choice, often in the top half of the draft. The Cleveland Browns, for instance, used the No. 3 pick in 2007 to select All-Pro left tackle Joe Thomas. The Miami Dolphins made Jake Long the No. 1 overall pick in 2008 and Trent Williams went to the Washington Redskins at No. 4 in 2010.

    Spielman, however, has provided the following answer multiple times when asked about his left tackle situation as the draft approaches:

    "There's the adage that you go back and forth on. Is the left tackle that important or is it more important to have playmakers on offense? Because as your quarterback evolves, he learns the system, he gets the ball quicker out of his hand and all of a sudden that left tackle doesn't need to be a Pro Bowl left tackle. He can be a functional left tackle because the quarterback evolves and he's got playmakers."

    Is Spielman really going "back and forth" on that question? Or is he simply repeating it publicly to douse suggestions that Kalil is the Vikings' obvious choice? Based on the frequency with which it's appeared, I'm leaning toward the latter. It makes perfect draft strategy for Spielman to create the impression that he could find a "functional" left tackle later in the first round, if he trades down from No. 3, or even in the second or third rounds.

    But would the Vikings and Ponder really be better off with a "functional" left tackle, combined with an additional playmaker at receiver? Or should they focus on filling one need with the highest quality player available before worrying about another one? These are the kinds of questions that Vikings owner Zygi Wilf promoted Spielman to answer, and I'll be fascinated to see whether he is bluffing or serious.

    As an illustration of his thought process, Spielman noted the well-discussed protection problems the Green Bay Packers endured in the early stages of quarterback Aaron Rodgers' career. Rodgers, in fact, took 75 sacks in his first 26 starts in 2008 and 2009 while playing behind a line in personnel transition. Rodgers also absorbed criticism for holding the ball too long.

    "I just remember Aaron Rodgers and how the media were criticizing their offensive line when Aaron Rodgers took all those sacks his first year as a starter," Spielman said. "Now, their offensive line has gotten better, but Aaron Rodgers has also gotten better … and they’ve got tremendous playmakers around him."

    Having gone through that period together, I think we can all agree that Rodgers improved his release time. But I also remember asking him about that during training camp in 2010, and he noted that the Packers' sacks diminished as tight end Jermichael Finley emerged as a pass-catcher. Indeed, playmakers helped settle the sack issue that season.

    The Vikings have an elite playmaker in Percy Harvin and have high hopes for young tight end Kyle Rudolph. Would adding another high-quality pass-catcher compensate for the drop from a potentially elite left tackle to a functional one? I'm not sure if anyone can answer that, but I thought that Lions general manager Martin Mayhew offered an interesting perspective when I asked him about it Friday.

    In general teams, Mayhew considered the situation from the opposite perspective. He said he avoided surrounding quarterback Matthew Stafford with too many young playmakers, instead signing receiver Nate Burleson and traded for tight end Tony Scheffler, among other moves.

    "I think anytime you surround a young guys with a lot of other young guys that are making mistakes, that's not really helping the process," Mayhew said. "… From our standpoint, having gone through it in the past, having a young quarterback and adding young weapons, we didn't necessarily feel that was the best route to go as far as drafting a lot of young guys to play skill positions for us. … But I don't think you really help a young quarterback by adding young receivers to the mix."

    I'm on board with that sentiment. To me, having the No. 3 overall pick is an asset that isn't to be considered lightly. It's an opportunity to draft one of the very best players in the draft, and it's overthinking the process to turn down the chance to fill one of the game's most difficult positions with an elite prospect because you hope your quarterback will throw the ball away before the pass rush arrives.

    Is it better for Ponder to have, say, Oklahoma State receiver Justin Blackmon and a mid-range left tackle than it would be to have Kalil and a lesser-regarded receiver? I don't think so.

    I suspect Spielman is merely creating public doubt about his intentions, but at this time of the year, the truth is rarely available. That's where I stand, however. We'll see how it plays out."

  • sorry $, can't read that much about the fucking vikings. I got the jist. We should do the same next year. Franchise LT AND frnachise ILB in rd one.

    Shouldn't be that dificult right? Right? RIGHT?!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Yeah, I know, Vikes lol But it's interesting because the starting LTs in the past few SBs have not been Top 5 draft picks, or even 1st rounders.

    They have been "functional", but the QBs have been "elite".

    The question still remains thought: is Webb even "functional"? is Cutler "elite"?

    One thing is certain. They will need to be if we want to win a SB.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Unless it involves a boat, hookers, and fat offensive linemen acting like they're Biggie Smalls in a video, any news about the Vikings is virtual melatonin.

  • Well MB, here are a couple of great nuggets from all that which apply at least double to Webb:

    First about the QB:
    "He should be comfortable behind his offensive line, and there is no greater enemy to such confidence than a backside protector who can't play."

    About the chance at Kalil:
    "It's an opportunity to draft one of the very best players in the draft, and it's overthinking the process to turn down the chance to fill one of the game's most difficult positions with an elite prospect because you hope your quarterback will throw the ball away before the pass rush arrives."

  • I posted an article a few threads back (?) on the general concensus amongst NFL bods that the emphasis is shifting from left tackles to right tackles, due to factors such as right-handed QBs drift to the right more, more plays go to the right then the left etc.

  • Yeah, that was a really interesting article.

    The only problem with roll-outs is that it cuts the field in half. Vick has been doing it for years, and even with his canon arm, it's still hard to fling across the body 40 yds.

    That's why Vick's been trying to be more of a pocket passer, yet still is getting knocked out of games.

  • a possible future QB for the Bear's?:,0,2327108.story

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    Dammit, Lobo - I start skipping over all these links and I get scooped.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    it's all good MBP...I just lucked out brah...that's the great thing about this blog...everybody digg'n for info about Navy Blue & Burnt Orange....

    I FUCKING LOVE THIS BLOG!!!!! ah shit did I go to far?

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    I'm happy for Cutler but having a kid is bad for your career and also lowers your testosterone. that's. -2 for those of you scoring at home, and those of you who are alone.

  • In reply to Jokey:

    that's what insulin and supplement's are for!!!! tee hee hee

  • as for Ticey's gut...been hanging with BB have those Double Beef & Sausage Sandmiches!!!!

  • Okay, here it is, I will be the J'Marcus Webb apologist.

    1) We are pushing the salary cap as an organization this year, so we do not have the money to pay for an FA upgrade at LT without trimming elsewhere. J-Webb's salary this year is $490K. The cap essentially forces teams to be week somewhere - if Webb is even close to average at LT, we're getting a bargain.

    2) Everyone knew that Webb would struggle at LT last year, the guy was learning a new position against some of the best pass rushers in the league. This year he'll have an off-season to grow as a tackle (as he has shown he can do) and his physical gifts should combine with Tice's coaching to produce some solid improvement.

    3) We needed help at DE, WR and LT in the draft. None of those positions was going to improve with a 3rd round pick (Zebrie Sanders isn't better than Webb, its just a fact). We used our 1&2 on the other two spots in a weak year for tackles. If McLellin and Jeffery pan out, I've got no complaints.

    4) There was no FA help to be gotten at LT. All we would have done is bring in the next Orlando Pace, who would have sat down mid-season and allowed Webb to come back. Except Webb would have missed out on a lot of reps because of the vet coming in to camp.

    5) Tice himself says that he would have loved an elite LT to fall to them, but it just didn't happen. Webb is a good stop-gap and when the right guy comes along to take the spot, Webb will have a lot of experience under his belt and will probably make an outstanding swing tackle off the bench.

    6) The improvement at WR will help get the ball out of Jay's hands faster. Webb won't look so bad if we don't see so many coverage sacks. He will improve without improving to use Tice's idea.

    Now everyone on here will take arguments 2-6 and say "he's just never going to be an elite LT or even one of the better LTs." To which I will reply, look at argument #1. The salary cap and draft rules have made LT a weakness for us... every team has weaknesses. At least Webb's value for cap space and draft picks is tremendously good. We got him for basically no money and a nothing pick. Pretty good in my book.

    I am a lot more upset paying Chris Spencer $2 million a year than I am paying Webb.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    You can do a better than average job at protecting the franchise.

  • In reply to Shady:

    I think I speak for NBIT when I say - you do not want him lining up at LT...
    Oh, you mean the franchise can do a better job protecting Cutty.

    I am so literal.
    I mean liberal.
    Aw, fuck it.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    No doubt Webb is a good "Value", but that's not gonna make Culter feel anybetter when coming off his back.

    However, franchise LTs don't just grow on trees.

    Still, a huge question remains.

    1) Who is our current swing OT (please don't say Williams)?

    The draft could've at least snagged us a swing OT, but hey, we'll see. Maybe James Brown ends up being the steal of the draft and provides us with depth there.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    Hug that dream, NBiT.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    I'll go with all of that. Not forgetting that Chris Williams and Levi are there either. Webb needed help with Jared Allen, Chris didn't, so there's that. Whoever's in there will get the appropriate help - little E-rod the terrier will be in there snapping at heels, or Clutts,helping out. Two big TEs waiting to chip in. Doesn't take long to throw a quick slant or for Cutty to sprint right. As long as Mad Martz is gone, we'll be fine.

  • So can Carimi not play LT? I know health is the big thing with him, but he is so much more athletic than Webb. Webb is just a slow turd, and I can't handle watching him again.

  • In reply to JR Cubbies:

    We have to hope that Carimi can just come back and play. I thought Mb was just making a huge assumption but the fact that he is not at full health still is not good.

    He was put on the IR during Nov. 18. Thus, maybe that is why he is taking so long to come back to full health is because we waited so long to have the surgery.

  • Yeah Carimi is taking forever to get right. I really hope Tice is right about the problem being Martz's offense, not the players. I kept hearing what a great O-line coach Tice was. But ever since he took over all i have seen has been a historically bad O-line.

  • In reply to JR Cubbies:

    I know. Where are oline grades for the oline coaches?

  • In reply to JR Cubbies:

    Bingo big time on that last sentence, JR.

  • In reply to JR Cubbies:

    Didn't the Rams lead the league in sacks allowed almost every year under Martz, even with a Hall of Fame left tackle? Didn't check on it, but I remember Warner peeling himself off the turf an awful lot with the Greatest show on turf.

  • In reply to JR Cubbies:

    That's the question I've been asking since he got here and no one can give me answer. What's wrong with Carimi playing LT and Lance playing RT. How is that worse than Webb starting? He'd look pretty good sitting on the bench as swing tackle, and we can bring him on for obvious running downs.

    CW could stay at LG, Edwin to RG, and RG stays at C. Confused yet?

    Does Gabe have little thalidomide arms?

  • So Cutty is having a little baby boy - let's see...that projects out to 2033 as his rookie year starting for the Bears?

  • The man who ate Mike Tice needs to skip a meal or stick with salads.
    McKiller will not be a bust. Watched some of his clips and he has a motor, and his 40 time is about same as Fabio Matthews of the Fudge.
    The Koolaid is ready.

  • In reply to GuinnessPlease:


    WHAT on God's green earth is he smuggling into the stadium under that shirt?

    A) A Watermelon.

    B) A Medicine ball.

    C) A Small Child.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Al...tee hee hee

    I still think he's been hanging with BB and having Portillos Double Beef & Sausage Sandmiches!!!

    sheite now I'm hungry...DAMN IT!!!

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    or ticey maybe having maternity empathy on Cutty's kid.. .

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    D) DJ Moore

  • In reply to GuinnessPlease:

    Guinness, are you my brother?

  • Okay seriously, let's give BB a break. His 10 point column is peerless. He sits in a press booth 15 hours a week, eating stadium food - god bless his family if he has one. Being a sports writer is a young man's job.

  • In reply to Jokey:

    jokey...don't get me wrong brah...I likey BB..actually I am envious that he has the opportunity to live on Chi-town food...I only can enjoy it once a year when visiting the SW but damn...jonesing for a Chi-town pie or Chi-town Dog...DAMN!!!! again I'm hungry!!!!

    how pathetic...that Sonic's Chicago Style Dog. what we offer here in NM....

  • Jeff, have a good time in Ireland. I went there a little over a year ago and I loved it. Freakin time change kicked my ass though. Part time change, part age change. hehehe
    Damn you lobo!! I am going to have to hit Portillos this week now that you planted the seed. Ill stick with a regular beef. If i am really hungry I may have to toss a dog in with it.

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    Please stop it Murph, you're killing me. I haven't had an Italian Beef in almost 2 decades. Will they have them in heaven?

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    If you want it you'll have it! No beefs in Texas?.....damn. You'd damn near sell your soul for a Portillos or an Al's! hehehe

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    I hope so......

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    If you're ever out by Oak Park Ave and North Ave, stop by Michael's Beef. Order it dipped with green peppers and giardiniera. Best beef sandwich I ever had....

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    In reply to tobijohn:

    Suzies at Montrose near Elston. The end.

  • Quick Bulls note....Boozer, you my boy, SUCK IT BIG TIME!!...Shifting my entire focus to da Bears...Bear Down!!

  • I've never been to Chicago, let alone a Bears game ever. However, I'm hoping that'll change soon. I hear chi has got a great food culture. I reeeeeaaallly wanna try a deepdish, they look awesome.

  • In reply to OsosFan:

    Where are you typing from Osos?

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    Oops I was trying to reply to Mongo's comment. I'm from New Jersey. Pretty close to where Evan Rodriguez is from.

  • In reply to OsosFan:

    My only Bears game was a pre-season in Dublin's fair city. We got our asses kicked by the Steelers and you could hear a sparrow fart. It was different when Boston College came over, I think they took all of their fans with them.

  • NBIT:

    I get the cap issues. We could have grabbed Massie instead of Rodriquez. Here is the sheet on Massie, the knock is strength and work ethic. And the Cards have him strictly as a RT, not LT material.

    I get all that. But Carmini isn't recovered. Carmini, MIGHT NOT MAKE THE ROSTER.

    Anyhow, here's Massie's sheet. Keep a marker on him and compare him at the end of the season to what Rodriquez got us. I dunno, this is art not science, but this philosophy of draft is just for skill players... I am not sure about this.


    Very good initial quickness off the snap; consistently among the first linemen off the ball regardless of the competition. Very good upper-body strength and good hand placement. Latches on to the defender and can control his opponent as long as he keeps his feet moving. Is surprisingly effective against speed rushers due to his length, balance and fluidity. Light on his feet for such a large man. Can knock defenders off the ball as a run-blocker.


    Hasn't shown a great deal of improvement, causing questions about whether his work ethic can ever match his physical talent to help him realize his vast potential.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    GPL, absolutely no argument from me. And I posted about all the O-line help that we passed on in making our picks.

    But... if we use a mid-round pick on a tackle and it doesn't work out, I'm a lot more annoyed than if our 7 doesn't pan out. I'm a lot more frustrated about the Bears' headaches at safety than I am about left tackle.

    We can have a separate discussion about how a team should allocate its resources (draft picks, cap space, roster spots, etc.) But the point of my post is that Webb is a great value and a solid place holder for a season or two while we rebuild other areas of the team.

    Now the concern about Carimi not coming back 100%. I'm with you on that too. We are basically playing without a left tackle. The swing tackle (Webb) is playing left tackle. But with the swing tackle tied up at LT all season, we are in need of someone else to back up Carimi. I'm not happy about it, because I think he belongs inside, but I believe that person is Lance Louis.

    As I've mentioned, I think we have a strong chance of succeeding with the following line: JW CW RG LL GC. Spencer is a backup at center. Rachal and Edwin Williams are backups at guard. We do not have a backup at tackle that isn't already in the starting line in this allignment. That is a problem.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    I want to see EW at LG over CW, NBIT - he doesn't get pushed around as much and he stays on his feet. We'll need a backup tackle that is not already on the line - which should be CW, IMHO. In fact he could cover guard or tackle, so that's be okay. It's last chance saloon for Chris Williams in his contract year.

    I'm not a fan of Spencer's, and our backup center should not be playing guard either

  • C.Williams is fast with quick feet though, which means he can pull really well. That's what opens up all those outside runs for Forte (and that's prob why LL will be put at RG and not RT).

    But I really want to see E. Williams, Chilo, Brown, Horn, Spencer push for a starting job.

    Our Oline is actually pretty deep and experienced, except for, you know, LT.

  • Edwin Williams is a solid backup guard. Likewise Chilo. It'll be interesting to see if either of them can crack the starting lineup.

    Chris Williams was not a good left tackle. Why do people want him to play a position poorly when he can play LG at a really high level? If his pass coverage improves at guard, he could be a probowler. If his pass coverage improves at tackle, Jay might live to see his son's first birthday. Not exactly a hard decision in my mind.

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    In reply to gpldan:

    One consistency among the pick is high work ethic, high football IQ and good to great motor. Bears don't want work ethic, take plays off challenges. No lard asses. Lunch Bucket guys. Even our crazy ass new WR is less of a prima donna than he could be.
    I like it.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    If Carimi doesn't make the roster, I'll blow SC Dave.

  • E-Rod does like that streak down the right side, though, doesn't he? He shows good over the shoulder technique

  • Chiefs are going to give Clark a tryout.

  • I am writing another article about the starting lineup right now for the bears.

    Want a scary thought? If J'Marcus Webb goes down.. who is our back up?

  • Chris Williams, easy. Edwin at LG, he's a better option than CW anyway.

  • We don't disagree with a lot of things but I do agree that Williams would be the backup but is he really the best choice?

    I swear I hope Tice has got this under control.

  • Artoo, that was a good heart-warming story about how you became a Bears fan thanks to your Pa. I also enjoyed the other story about your Urlacher autograph. I'm sorry to hear about the loss of such an important person in your life.

    Here's my story of becoming a Bears fan. I was born a Bears fan, or better yet my Dad brain-washed me into becoming a Bears fan, like any good parent would do. The majority of my extended family is Packers fans, so it makes things interesting at times. One story goes that as a toddler, my Uncle got me Packers pajamas. After seeing me in them one night, my Dad burned them in the back yard the next day.

    I really became a die-hard Bears fan because of Walter Payton. I was 6 years old when he entered the league. There has never been a better sports hero. LIke your Pa said, he was the hardest worker. As a kid, I remember my parents taking me and my brother and sister to Bears training camp in Lake Forest. Walter was better prepared than anyone else. While everyone else was stretching to start practice, he would be walking around joking with players. He already stretched. After practice, when everyone else was tired and dragging their feet, he was energetic like he never broke a sweat and would sign EVERY kid's autograph after showering. He brought that to the field. He would mind-fuck defenders. He never showed if he was tired or hurt. After almost every play, he would put the ball forward, and almost always hopped up before the defender. After putting a hit on a defender, many times he would hop up and help the defender up. That had to be demoralizing to defenders. He almost NEVER ran out of bounds. Every yard mattered. He's the main reason I became a huge Bears fan.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    Oh, and my Dad and Uncle will never wear clothes that have yellow or green. The only thing I was taught to "hate" growing up was the Packers. If I had the extra money, I would have 30 shirts made. All would have a Bears logo on the front, and a logo from every other team in the league on the back, minus the Packers. I have two favorite teams every week. Bears first, and whoever plays the Packers.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    Thanks. That article may never reach a 100 views but damn, I never enjoyed writing an article as much as that one.

    You see, this is what separates us from other blogs. We are real fans.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    I didn't have any relatives who even knew what football was. They started showing it on Britain's fourth channel when it began about 1982 and I saw it on there, and watched it in fits and starts mow and again. It was a lot of stopping and starting and they seemed to spend more time arguing about what happened and where the ball should go than actually playing football. But then I saw Walter Payton. He was biggert than the game, there was something magnetic about him, you just had to watch. One moment he ran like a bull with his head down, legs churning, the next he was a prancing deer highstepping past befuddled defenders. I'm a Bears fan because of Wally, plain and simple.

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    In reply to TheFifth:

    When I was real young, I knew watching the Bears at Noon was special. It's the only thing that got the family home from church by 11:30. If the service was going long, my Dad would simply have us leave. My Dad and his brothers would watch. Often we were in a bar somewhere with a big antenna to pick up the blacked out game from Rockford or points north.
    Like your PA artoo, my Dad didn't have much use for the Bears offense. The offensive coordinator (doesn't matter pick one) would not have been welcome in our home. When Walter showed up, he was given the highest praise possible. "That guy could play defense for the Bears".

  • In reply to Big Mike:

    I think that is why no coach will be good enough for Chicago because if the coach doesn't show enough don't like him.

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    I think in his older years, my Dad was sold on Lovie Smith. He thought Ditka became a caricature of what made him great the first time through. Ditka did it for old man Halas. Somewhere around when he got his hair permed, my Dad thought he "jumped the shark".

    I'm sure Lovie is passionate. Just not visibly so, or vocally so.

  • In reply to Big Mike:

    Funny you mentioned blacked out games. When games were blacked out, my Dad would go on the roof and move the antennae until we got a semblance of a screen from somewhere in Indiana. I would yell to my brother at the door how the picture was, and he would yell up to my Dad. It could be a long process to watch a fuzzy Bears game.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    The only years Pa didn't get a good chance to watch the Bears was in 84. They moved to GA and work for a company that most know as Bosch. My grandmother made a lot of money working there.

    When we moved to here in TN, being so close to KY and MO, it was either the Rams, Titans, or the Bears.

    Great times.

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    In reply to TheFifth:

    We scouted taverns with the tallest antenna. Hit on a few favorite spots. The problem would be if the owner/bartender couldn't get the signal in, you were stuck. You either had to hijack the process, or find a new bar.

  • I'm with Irish about Carimi starting at LT. I've been advocating for him there since I scouted him before the draft, and none of us dreamt he would ever fall to us, but Lion fans now feel like we did last year.

    I know all the "experts" project him to be a RT, but Carimi was a FOUR year starter at LT. How a team can just automatically slot him at RT when LT is a huge hole baffles me. This is one of those, "Well, Tice, Mayock, Kiper must know more than I do..."

    I also like Lance at RT, but then he had a dramatic fall off there. Was there an inj? We don't know. But I just love his nastiness. And we all witnessed how athletic he was when we saw the big man rumble 80 yds to make a tackle.


    LT Carimi
    LG C. Williams
    C Garza
    RG Battle Royal (Spencer, E.Williams, Chilo, James Brown)
    RT Lance Louis

    IF either Carimi or Louis truly can't hack it at OT, then

    LT Webb
    LG Williams
    C Garza
    RG Louis
    RT Carimi

    And just cross our fingers that Webb progresses, and we get through the season healthy at OT., lest we want to see Levi or C.Williams protecting Cutler's blind side.

  • Butch, I'm convinced Louis wasn't well after he ran down the guy who intercepted Hanie in the Raiders game. He was balls to the wall before that, then just wasn't able to move as quickly and gave up a bunch of sacks and yards. There literally wasn't anyone else to go in for him, or he did the NFL thing and told coaches he was good to go.

    For me :

    LT Carimi
    LG C.Williams
    C Garza
    RG E.Williams
    RT Lance Louis

    with Webb as swing T, BPA at G.

    LT Webb
    LG E.Williams
    C Garza
    RG Louis
    RT Carimi

    with CW as swing guard/tackle

  • We're on the same wave length with the Oline.

    E.Williams looks promising. By most accounts, they're grooming him to be Garza's heir at C.

    Spencer better WOW Tice and Gang in camp because they didn't sign Chilo for nothing and that James Brown kid looks like a steal. 6'3 310ish started at LT. I saw a some of his combine tape. Brown was really light on his feet "Piston like feet" according to PFW only confirmed it.

    As the God Father screamed, "I feel good!"

  • if C. Williams doesn´t break this year, could say bye-bye to other Angelo´s pick. the money in in E. Williams and "chile" Ratchall

  • From "The Prof" Mailbag. Man, I really need a DVR, record all the games, and just go into a cave and watch them all later that night.

    "You can take every play from an NFL game and see it in 30 minutes. Two-and-a-half hours of a three-hour game are tied up with setting up plays, commercials and stoppages of plays."

    No wonder Soccer fans complain about "American Football".

  • I've always laughed when soccer fans complain about football. Just because it's constant motion doesn't mean it's constant action.

    I started watching football around 8-10 years old. The Bears were always on. If you watch a team all the time either you end up loving them or hating them. When the Bears won in '63 I was beyond happy. They drafted Butkus and Sayers in '65 and they were phenomenol to watch. Then came the dark years. After Walter arrived it was like the Butkus/Sayers years again. Then we were genuinely good for a while. Then we got Wanny. My least favorite Bears coach. Then we got the Cadester. My least favorite Bears player. Then Lovie arrived and we've been up and down. The arrow is pointing way up this year. Oh Yeah!

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    True Canada, but the action to idle ratio is much higher in soccer than in football. I can barely watch college football now with all the extra stoppages for replay reviews.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    I guess Dave. I haven't watched an entire soccer game in my life. After about 2minutes I'm channel surfing. Nothing against soccer, it's just different strokes. Hell I love bicycle racing and I have to quote my dear departed mother when it comes to that sport (this is a direct quote), "Nobody watches that shit!" She was a hoot!

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    In reply to CanadaBear:

    I think the results of the Lovie era have been up and down. But the team has always had the potential to compete during his run. That can not be said about most of the 70s, and the mid 90s to the start of the Lovie era.

  • J'Marcus Webb playing football? Big LOL!
    Read my lips: "Fix de OLine!!!"

  • I have a slightly different take than a lot of you guys concerning our line. Is the O-line important? Yeah, no doubt. What kind of problems did we have on the O-line before Martz came to town? Not near as many. I know this and more importantly Tice knows this. Ergo his comments about Webb being better without actually having to get better because Martz is no longer with the team. As fans, we are shell shocked when it comes to the line and I would like to suggest that they are going to be a whole lot better than most people realize. When you think about it, we've added strength to our line by adding Rodriquez, Marshall and Jeffery and Bush. Every one of these players will add to our offense in their own way and there are about 5 or 6 ways I can envisions how I line will be better just by having them on the field. I actually think that Emery sent us a pretty strong message that the line is going to be ok just by the fact that they didn't feel the need to go after anyone early in the draft. Tice has what he needs to make our offense click, which at the end of the day is all that matters.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    Correct me if I'm wrong but the Packers O-line was ranked somewhere around 22nd last year and they went 15-1. Scheme is going to take care of a lot of the Bears deficiencies with Tice running the show.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    in the imortal words of... well, me....

    ...Yeah, right.

  • I read this from another blog and it seemed legit what do you all think?
    Since we don't have anymore draft talk to discuss, how about we predict depth charts!

    WR - B. Marshall (Y) ...Thomas
    WR - A. Jeffery (Z) ...Knox
    WR - E. Bennett (Slot) ...Hester
    TE - K. Davis ...Spaeth
    RB - M. Forte ...Bush ...K. Bell
    FB/H - E. Rodriguez
    QB - J. Cutler ...Campbell
    LT - J. Webb ...C. Will ...J. Brown
    LG - C. Will ...L. Louis ...E. Will
    C - C. Spencer ...R. Garza
    RG - R. Garza ...L. Louis
    RT - G. Carimi ...J. Brown

    RDE - J. Peppers ...C. Wooton
    DT - H. Melton ...I. Idonije ...C. Davis
    DT - S. Paea ...M. Toeina
    LDE - S. McClellan....Idonije
    WLB - L. Briggs ...G. Hayes
    MLB - 54 ...D. DiCicco
    SLB - N. Roach ...G. Hayes
    LCB - C. Tillman ...J. Wilhite
    RCB - T. Jennings ...K. Hayden
    NCB - D. Moore ...K. Hayden
    SS - B. Hardin ...C. Steltz
    FS - C. Conte ...M. Wright

    KR - E. Weems ...D. Thomas
    PR - 23

    ...this team on paper kicks ass! (regardless of O-line woes, plus I like Ronnie Cameron making the roster)

  • In reply to OsosFan:

    No third QB? I'd have to think McCown makes the roster (or Enderle if he actually shows anything). Other than that, it looks good. No love for the last 2 draft picks? + Mannelly, Gould, Podlesh. Knox on IR.

    Costanzo and JT Thomas. That comes out to 53 if my math is correct.

  • In reply to OsosFan:

    I think you err by not including Rodriguez in the TE mix Oso. That's the main position he's gonna play.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    I don't think we should count out Clutts either. Especially since it seems unlikely that Knox will be on the team at this point.

  • In reply to OsosFan:

    • Garza at guard and spencer at center.... why would they do that? They were both better at the positions they played last year. And as irish likes to point out, spencer sucked at center for the hawks

    • LL has to start somewhere on that line. Before he got injured running down cutty for 80 yards, guy was our best mauler, my wish-list line would be: LT – BearJew, LG - CWilliams, C – Garza, RG – Cspencer, RT – Llouis, swing tackle – Jwebb, Swing Guard - EWilliams

    • Clutts is FB (if we have one). ARod is just in the mix of 3 TEs… just depends on the package. He’s not a FB

    • Wooten’s done. Guy’s another Jerry’s kid (sorry hunti)

    • The DT’s and DEs will all rotate and be in packages, but I would think Izzy will start at first… toe over flatbread to initially too

    • Jesus, we have no one behind 54. Dom fucking diccico?!!?!? Really?!?!?!

    • Don't think hardin will come in and starting over hutch (wright or steltz)… he may very well end up there, but won’t do it initially

    My $.02

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    diccico... the name is diccico

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    +5 for obscure SNL ref

    -5 for crap Ackroyd movie.

    A wash overall.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    What the hell!?!?!?!

    Crap movie... are you serious? Was one of the best movies ever (you know, in that genre)

    You craaaazy!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    If Carimi beats out Webb for the left tackle spot, I think Webb slides over to the right side and Lance Louis is the swing. Working on the assumption that Carimi is a true LT, this line looks pretty good:

    GC - CW - RG - EW - JW; Backups LL, CR and CS.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    why do you think webb would be better than Louis at RT NB? I thought before the SD game he did a damn good job. There was obviousl fall off after that game, but my hunch is that the 80 yard chase-down got him a leg injury for the rest of the year. I like your line up, but would slot LL in there first at RT over webb, and then at RG over edwin. For my money, webb and edwin are the swing guys.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    If LL's dropoff was due to an injury, you could be right. But most guys who are able to survive at LT can be rather productive at RT. Webb's not a great LT, but he's survivng. I think if we slide him over to the right side, where his size is even more of an assett and his slow feet aren't as much of a liability, he'd be really strong.

    Lance is great, but I think part of the dropoff was due to teams seeing some tape on him. He's a guard, and a pretty good one at that. Putting him at tackle (just like putting CW at tackle) is putting him in a spot where he isn't going to give his best performance.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    Didn't Webb start off at RT for us? Wasn't he rated the worst RT in the NFL? Lance can do it at RT. Webb looks better on the bench IMHO.

  • In reply to OsosFan:

    Can't see Knox making the squad.

  • agree, forgot to write that one in. No way.

  • In reply to OsosFan:

    Doesn't account for Chilo (our newest Guard FA).

    Also Weems will compete for time at WR, probably in the spot they put Knox.

    If you're going to put James Brown on the roster, you have to consider Levi Horn as well. They both probably have an equal shot at being the #4 tackle right now.

    Also, the safety rotation is screwy (not that it matters much on the Bears). Steltz is a true FS, doesn't hit hard enough to be a SS. Wright is a true SS, doesn't have the coverage skills to play FS. I predict the starts will be Steltz and Wright, though Conte and Hardin will both push for playing time throughout the season. As far as I'm concerned we have 4 serviceable safeties, but nobody who's a top 10 guy.

    I think a lot of WRs will come in for different packages. Not sure that Jeffery will "start" every game or that he makes it into the base package in week 1. Our base package in week 1 will probably be:

    WR - Marshall
    WR - Bennett
    RB - Forte
    TE - Davis
    #5 - Clutts, Hester, Jeffery, Weems, Bush or Spaeth

    Keep in mind that Clutts, Bush and Spaeth provide a lot more protection for Jay. Marshall and Bennett can both create plays by themselves, especially with Forte on the field.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    ohhhh... wow. You're right. If horn AND Brown make the roster and can compete at tackle, we could have some reasonable depth...

    ...but that's a damn big if for both those guys.

  • Also, if Shamus either busts or has something bad happen to him off the field, I am calling the Hampton Curse right now.

    #99 is cursed. Why they would give him it, I have no idea. Give him 98.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    They should just retire #99

  • Packers went nothing but D for 6 rounds

  • In reply to gpldan:

    eeeeeewwwww, a packers blog. I feel filthy haveing gone there. I feel like I need to go wash the stink off in the shower.

  • Sorry guys I forgot to mention I got that little piece from another blog. I forgot to include some my own thoughts on it. But I agree with MB30SD on his ideal OL. I do still have hope for Wooten though and Rodriguez should get play time as well as Hardin; Hardin seems like a beast and has a big chip on his shoulder to start playing again and produce and just destroy people. I'm hoping Manti Te'o will be the heir to Lach, and Diccico can just be there to help out if need be unfortunately, lol. However, I'm highly optimistic the team can do work with who they have this year.

  • Alshon Jeffrey is in the fold.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    One of the best things in the Angelo era, whether or not he had anything to do with it, was the Bears' tendency to get guys under contract. Let's hope that continues.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    nothing to do with angelo... everything to do with Cliff Stein... and as you can see, as long as we have CS that will continue in the Emery era.

    No need to mention Angelo here Dave. (Hurumph!)

  • there is a mistake in this article, Saalam came from Colorado University not Penn State

  • In reply to elcaney:

    About 16 hours too late elcaney,

  • Saints players affected by bounty thing...

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    Screw that stupid link... try this one:

  • I think the challenge in the new COD game will be telling the normal Los Angeles citizens apart from the zombies.

    Last time I went to the Staples Center, the streets had a homeless army in them that were pretty much indistinguishable from the Walking Dead.

  • I looked up some of the key combine results for comparison:
    Urlacher: 6'-4", 258 lbs; 40 yd = 4.59; bench reps 27, leap 34".
    Shea McKiller: 6'-3", 260 lbs; 40 yd = 4.63; bench reps 19; leap 31".
    B Hardin: 6'-3", 217 lbs; 40 yd = 4.43; bench reps 24; leap 35".
    Fabio fuck Matthews: 6' 3, 240 lbs; 40 = 4.62; bench reps 23, leap 35".
    Looking at those stats, Lacher sure was a beast. Wonder if we added some weight to Hardin if he could make it as a LB or situational pass rusher? Also, Shea has wheels for a big man too.

  • In reply to GuinnessPlease:

    yep, I contemplated that about 2 threads ago Ginny. He's got a long way to go to get to 250ish, but he's already got more than enough speed (which would obviously decrease) and strength to be the new lach. Problem I see is, putting on 30+ lbs of muscle in a year is pretty much impossible without the help of vitamin S and/or Vitamins H, G, and H. That and the dude's already broken ever bone in his upper extremity. not sure he has the longevity we'd need there. I, along with some other boys, are now pulling for a 2013 1st rd emery draft coupe to get us Manti Te'o to replace lach.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    30lbs - two to three months if you put in the work. See Tom Hardy for details.

    What's this Manti's brain like? Urlacher scored 28 on the Wonderlic (although Hattie Hillenmeyer got 39, so it's no guarantee of being any good). Whoever's in the middle will have to be an ickle bit brainy.

    FYI - Briggsy got a 15, and Butter Harris scored 11! Sex Cannon scored one higher than Turtlehead Manning on 29.

  • This one's for MB and all the rest of you married old guys on the site...

    As you may have noticed, I haven't posted a poontang slaughtering story in quite some time. Fact of the matter is DaCoach here has been a 1 women man for the last year or so. Things are going well with the lady, in fact she's moving into my place at the end of the summer. I'm pretty sure this is the one I'm going to be banging for the next 30-40 other words, marry.

    I think thats why I fell off the monogomy wagon this past weekend.... I figured my window for whoremongering is closing, and my dick n nuts have been begging me for one last run with this girl I used to bang semi-regularly just prior to hooking up with my soon to be live in.

    My girlfriend was out in San Diego seeing her brother this past weekend, and one thing let to another and my penis took control of the rest of my body and I ended up hooking up with the other girl....She's an ex gymnist who's still in expremely good shape that is just really into sex. I'm talking crazy postions, dirty filthy talk, porn star type manuevers. She came over on friday night and didn't leave until Sunday. Clothing was scarce all weekend and we never left my condo. It was glorious, but it was my last hoo rah. I am officially a chump like the rest of you. My poon hound days just ended, RIP.

  • Good luck controlling those demons! Your dick is gonna be whispering in your ear for that next 30-40 years. Da coach is signing off, over and out!

  • You are getting married? And you are a lawyer, so there are no excuses about knowing better, right? After banging a porn star like gymnist while hanging from the monkey bars?


  • In reply to gpldan:

    tee hee sick bastard GP...

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Crown is the lawyer... I don't think we've ever established what the coach does.

    ...most likely he's in 'Imports & Exports'. (of various and sundry types of course)

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Hey, if anyone wants to play 'Imports & Exports' out of Thailand, I worked as an export manager in Thailand for two years so anybody who wants a container of something out of here let me know. LCLs, whatever.

  • HO...LY...Fucking....SHIT.

    I am speachless. Sad, yet happy for you.

    Uhhh... coach. I hate to break it to you, but my brother is exactly like you. Might as well give up now maings. Those demons can't be tamed. If you pulled that shit last weekend, well... I'll just leave it there.

    We still love you maings. Best of luck. And don't be a cunt like Crown and leave us just because you get a new gig and get married. Fucking crown.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Funny, I work sales on the domestic side for a large freight brokerage, so imports and exports is not far off at all.

    I found a good lady. We really do have a great relationship. The sexytime is great, but it's not the basis for our relationship like it has been with other women in my past. We have more in common than that so I think I'll be fine going forward. I just wanted to get one more romp with this Katelyn girl out of my system. She is the best lay I've ever had and my junk never would have forgiven me if I didn't kung foo it one last time.

  • Ha, knew it. I just thought you might have your own company sending and receiving 'adventure goods' to places like morocco, Kathmandu, and Indonesia. And that maybe we'd see you on a future episode of 'jailed abroad'

    that's great man. Honestly, good for you. Just make sure to tell Katelyn to lose your number, email, address, etc... and I hope you got a 5-woman cleaning crew to come in and clean up every fucking spec of evidence. Chicks are fucking ruthless with that shit maing. Best of luck

  • Hear ya go Coach, and any one else contemplating "settling" down.

  • Katelyn. Her name is Katelyn.

    I guess we should have guessed that one.

    2 minute mark.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Crown - throw us a story man, give us a bone. Some random encounter with the ladies. Please.

  • Well can window shop but more shopping spree's for you.

    Welcome to the club ....we have jackets!!


  • I can't understand that. While I am of course in no position to judge you, Coach, if I was your girlfriend I'd dump your ass right now.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    I actually expected MB to say that. As bad as he jumped those two times.

    I could care less though but congrats Coach, I hope you enjoyed your "Hall Pass" that the GF doesn't know about it lol Like Mb said, make sure no electronics have any thing mentioning anything.

    It takes like a year for a phone bill to erase your text messages? Something like that.

  • I wish I had stated it differently; viz.

    What I should have said is if my girlfriend did that after a year, I'd dump her immediately. And absolutely expect her to do the same to me.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    SC Dave, the Moral Compass of da blog....

  • He's like the angel, and I'm the devil.

    Don't DO IT man. Just because you dig hanging with her, does not mean you have to get legal wif it.

    If you are just hell bent on losing half your money, then give it to a charity. Or hookers. Or a charity event WITH hookers. But don't let a lawyer take it away from you.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Just to set the record straight, I said I could see myself marrying her. I am by no means engaged, i am, however, engorged.

  • If you are going to suspend players, why not just suspend the whole Saints team?

    You are not going to tell me Drew Brees did not know about it and that other players did not play a role. They all did.

    I could care less about whether or not they did what was right or wrong. I just do not think the punishment fits the crime.

  • Ahhh young R2.

    The NFL has never been about justice, just the PERCEPTION of justice.

    You will come to know this truth.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    not just the NFL GP. I watched something AMAZINGLY interesting on Nova last night. Called money, power and wallstreet... or some such similar shit.

    Was all about the collapse and wall street and the Obama admin. Crazy shit man. How the bankers walked out of that meeting with obama without a single fucking governing rule for the bailout money is criminal. fucking disgusting. Holy shit.... the perception of justice indeed.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    The only reason the whole Saint's organization has not be banned from the NFL for a year is because of money.


  • TMZ and @nctimes reporting that Junior Seau died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound.

  • Woah.

    The only Charger I've ever liked...


  • This just in....

    Junior Seau just died. He shot himself with a Duerson like note and a shot through the heart.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Though the heart? Even crazier.

    I'd assume that is not an immediate "lights out" maneuver.

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    you ARE going to hell willie

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Woah, man...

    Well, yes I know.

    But, that was not meant to be shock-jocky.

    I was really just mentioning that shooting yourself in the heart is not like shooting yourself in the head. I don't think it's instant death. I'm sure it hurts like hell and you suffer.

    I like Junior, and whatever hell-deserving you read into it was likely due to my history of hell-deserving, and not my intent.

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    I'm just fucking with you maings. I'm agnostic.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Maybe it is time we looked into how much concussions have impacted players.

    Great players should not be doing this.

  • Artoo - i'm all for diligence but we can't immediately assume it was CTE. There is such a thing as being depressed because you are not a young man playing a young man's game. He was now irrelevant and some warriors just can't handle it. My friends brother just killed himself. History of depression and anger. Never played a down in his life. He was just a depressed person.

  • agreed. Seau had serious issues. Maybe these were CTE related maybe the roids took their toll too.

    | saw him play my bro's team in the CIF semifinals my sophomore year in HS. We played Oceanside (his school) in the pouring rain and he was TE and ILB. The dude was a man amongst boys, but he def used roids at some point(s) in his career.

    We'll only know for sure once they do the autopsy.

  • You could be right Waffle but I really think concussions are impacting a lot of this more than we think.

    Seau teammates don't ever remember him being depressed. Always a upbeat kind of person.

    Time will tell.

  • retired, divorced, "fell asleep" at the wheel a couple years ago and got into an auto accident....

    People have been killing themselves forever. If you ban the game of football and then notice that guys keep killing themselves and being overall fuckheads people will be so confused.

    You guys do know it takes a certain type of individual to attain the heights of greatness at ANYTHING. People that are the very best at something usually have some mental constitution that borders on the insane to begin with. Intellectuals, athletes, politicians. etc.

    What makes them great in their field usually makes them unbearable in their actual lives. Do a study on that.

  • You know, I did do a power point presentation. You are right that most people who are great or as you said "attain the heights of greatness at anything" do have problems with their lives.

    Whether it is OCD, ADHD, Parkinson's, or worse they seem to have problems.

    Everyone knows on here this is a sport that is the closest to "Gladiator" style we will get. That being said, maybe we can teach players to play sound and solid tackling. Instead of playing reckless and crazy.

    I will wait for the autopsy to come out. I totally see your point but I rather hope that just maybe a lot of hits in the head over his 19 years in NFL could have caused it rather than him just deciding to end it.

    Every player knows what you put your body through when you decide to play football. I just wish we could combat these problems.

  • I'm not sure concussions have as much as a role of thise kind of things as we're led to believe Why weren't there more suicides like this when football was more violent than it is today?

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    Players have become more faster and bigger over the past few years.

    How many 6'4 325 players do you remember back during that time?

    Which you could come back and say " How many were using performance enhancers or steroids?"

    I don't think any of us have the right answer. I just hope we can do the right thing.

  • 100%

    The line between genius and insanity is a razor's edge.

    (Occam's razor in this case? See how I did that btw?)

  • For example, Isaac Newton was an odd duck to be sure.

  • Didnt they always have concussions? Why all of a sudden are these guys killing themselves, and they blame it on cte. I think Seau may have been depressed, if you remember it seemed hard for him to walk away from the game. We dont see boxers taking themselves out like this and their brains seem way more scrambled than these guys. Is it a combo of roids and concussions? Some stuff we never know for sure.

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    I'm guessing that performance enhancing drugs also have a role to play in some of these suicides. Has any one noticed how many pro wrestlers have committed suicide or gone off the deep end. Lets face it, the NFL needs to do a much better job eliminating that threat to player safety as well. I know that a lot of these guys do some serious steriods to keep up with the competition. This is a problem that the NFL must address effectively.

  • 8th member of the 1994 Chargers to have died.

    I think there are more 94 Chargers dead than 85 Bears

  • In reply to gpldan:



  • New Packer Anthony Hargrove got suspended eight games. Hahaaa!

  • In reply to Jokey:

    hee hee hee hee....fudgpeckers...

  • here you go Coach..tee hee hee ..this is what I mean about window shoppong....fuck me how can you even think about football seeing this:

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    or this:

    I had one of these as my avatar last year..I think I need to bring it back until camp starts....stop me from hibernating....

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    I know Coach just swore off chasing strange, but I'd be willing to bet if he had a chance to "take a snap" from one of these players, his mind would go blank and never think about that oath he just pledged to remain faithful.

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    Mark Rypien's daughter? I have to admit that I do watch that when it's on. Mesmerizing stuff. Is it a run, is it a pass? Who gives a fuck?

  • Major Penis can learn from this good technique on wrapping up:

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    I was almost expecting a condom demo/ad.

  • daaamn Vilma got suspended without pay for a full fucking year.

    Wow, just wow. That must fucking SUCK for that guy.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Think he'll change his twitter picture now?

  • I bet coach feels the same way... 'porn saved my life':

    Speaking of craaaazy:

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    who the fuck are these people? did you see the mom's tan WTF???????

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    that's not a tan, that's fucking crazy... she is certifiable batshit crazy. fucking lunatic.

    btw, did you know that gingers feel more pain than the rest of us?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I'm married to one, so yep...

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    hahahahaha... awesome Rabbit.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Tis true. Porn saves my life daily lol

    Wow. Taking your child to a tanning salon, a GINGER no less! I blame it all on NJ.

  • I usually do $


    GP, meh... wasn't into black Ops, and not into sci-fi at all. I'll take a pass.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Yeah, looks shit.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    do I detect just a smidge of sarcasm sir?

  • Well do we think this is true?

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    Shady instituted a DBB->BR blackout, on account of the site being shit-ass Gawker style gonzo journalism.

    No more BR links.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    sheite GP..."being shit-ass Gawker style gonzo journalism." basically accounts for 99% of these fuckers....what will we link too...aaaaahhhhhh...I know for you Coach..


  • In reply to gpldan:

    you got it!!! works for me.

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    I'm almost positive that the contract numbers in that article are incorrect. Hester had a pretty big salary number in 2011 as well, but it was tied to some performance figures. Basically, if he caught like a #1 reciever, he would have been paid like one. Because he's a special teams ace, his salary was actually closer to $2 million.

    Not sure if those same numbers are true for 2012 and 2013, but doesn't really matter. Hester is going to have a chance to prove his worth as a slot reciever or 4th option. If he can fill those roles, he'll be paid like a second tier reciever. If he can't, he'll be paid like a special teams guy.

    And when I say "he'll be paid" I don't just mean the Bears, I mean any team in the NFL. The Bears will offer him an extension this year based on his value to the team. If he wants to test the market, he may choose to do so, but I think his chances of a big payday elsewhere are pretty slim.

  • Alshon already signed. Nice work Cliff. Also, Alshon sounds like he has a good head on his shoulder:

    "Asked if he has any plans to buy anything significant, Jeffery said: "I don't have any plans. My plan is to spend money wisely. I'm going to manage my money to the best of my ability."

    (I would have responded, " Coke-fueled raging orgy with supermodels")

  • Well, maybe downgrade them from supermodels to cheerleaders if you're trying to be frugal.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Dallas Cheerleaders? Or Miami? hmmmm

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Good One!

  • This Say Ow thing is really fucked up. I heard his closest friends are saying he just had a hard time with life after football and was depressed. Kind of reminds me of Walter. I read the Sweetness book, and by all acounts he was depressed and contemplated doing the same thing. These athletes are worshipped their entire lives, and then their playing career is suddenly over and they are more or less just another dude. Suicide happens. I've known too many people that have taken their own lives including my older brother. It sucks, its a fucking horribly shitty and selfish thing to do, and the people that really suffer are the victims families. That shit doesn't go away. There is not a day that passes that I don't think about what I could have done to save my brother, and that shit happened in 2003. It happens to regular, every day people who can't handle the every day pressures of life. I think its premature to tie this one to concussions.

  • thanks for sharing coach, and really sorry for your loss.

    Man, it's almost like you're becoming a regular guy on this blog right before our eyes... not sure I like it, but the only things that's constant in the life is change.

    Welcome new coach...

    ...and farewell old coach. Now with crown and coach gone we've lost that filthy yet hilarious element. Sad day, sad day indeed.

  • Sorry to hear about that Coach.

  • Really sorry to read that Coach. Hang in there. My brother's best friend took his life and he said the only way he could deal with it was that his friend wasn't in his right mind when he did it. Don't blame yourself.

  • i am so sorry
    that you must share this with all of us
    it is a path that many have walked
    and from this perspective
    your words remind my experience
    how fragile this humanity is
    and how important it is
    to be loving and kind
    to those around you
    i spent the last 3 hours
    at the wanee fest
    listening to a father
    try and reconcile the suicide
    of his 17 year old son
    over 3 bottles of his
    italian chianti
    and i am not a drinker
    i just listened
    and at 3 am walked
    into the forest and stared
    at the stars
    that were
    breaking through the sky
    knowing i helped this stranger
    get through another night

  • In reply to huntinbare:

    Thanks for all of the support Hunt, and everyone else. I'm usually not one to share much about myself, but it seemed applicable.

  • don't worry about it coach. you do your thing maings. Do what makes you happy. There are zero guarantees with life and even less with women. You roll the dice like all the rest of us idiots.

    Just make sure you're happy in life... period.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

  • Speaking of the Saints suspensions, the Packers signed Hargrove at the end of March and now he's gone for eight games. That definitely puts more pressure on their 2nd round pick, Worthy out of MSU.

  • TMZ and all the shit sites are backpedaling on the Duerson note. Now it doesn't exist.

    I don't know that this develops into a CTE story. Seau, I think, had troubles, but I hope for completeness they autopsy his brain. Of course, the conspiracy side of me smells a rat here. Who the fuck goes out the hard way with a shot to the heart, where - even if you direct hit - your going to bleed it out in crazy pain for a full minute before the brain goes night-night, and doesn't do that because they wanted their brain donated.

    He may have made the mistake of just leaving a written note. Duerson used email, so there was no going back on that . A coroner can pocket a bit of paper and it never existed.

    Again, I should probably stop thinking about that angle.

  • In reply to gpldan: my post above about the:
    "being shit-ass Gawker style gonzo journalism." tee hee hee


    I'm sure most of you guys have seen this video, but for those of you who haven't yet... You're welcome

  • In reply to Shady:

    puh LEEZE.

    Posted that yesterday. Damn man... just DAMN... MAN!! Huh?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Yesterday? Really? Fuck me. It's basically impossible to keep up with you guys on a daily basis with my innerness down. You know how crappy my connection has been. Now I I have to scroll alllllllllll the way down to the 600th comment on my cell or isnazz and type on a small little key boa with fucking autocorrect on. Damn it.

    Oh and you'll buy BO2 MFer, oh you'll buy it. Just like I paid 15 fucking dollars for 3 fucking maps, one of which is a sniper campground. Fuck I wish my Internet was working so I could give it to you two time food. Damn it.

  • In reply to Shady:

    oh I bet you'd like to give it to me two time food.

    BAAAAAAHAHAHAHA... your auto correct is killing me right now. Simply awesome.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    To say nothing of his innerness being down!

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    that too is a big problem dave

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    I'm not sure what to make of the boa it the snake or a feather one?
    "Welcome to G4's Rupaul Tech Report...your viewer poll is in and we've got your top 10 tranny sites...NEXT!"

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I always wanted to know who the douchebags were that would give a thumbs down to a heartfelt comment about a tragic accident or the death of a kid, etc. I found the exact type of guy. There was a youtube video of Kate Upton and this guy had the sheer audacity to say she was "ok but has saggy breasts". I almost threw my computer in anger.

  • I still don't see how Sanchez got that....

    She wouldn't take his money to pretend to be with him..would she?

  • well, she's 18 which isn't really known as the age at which youngsters make the best decisions.

    come to think of it, Sanchez is kind of a perv. He is a grown ass man and was banging some 17yr old last year. Rape in most states but not in NY. Now a barely 18 year old. He keeps getting older and they stay the same age. When he is 55 he will be Namath but only in that he will be an over the hill sexual predator.

  • She is 18......? What the fuck.. I thought she was like 21 or 23.

    Good Lord.


  • Free soft core porn.. did you get hacked?

    I will be quite honest.. How have I not notice this girl or heard about her?

  • erik... are you fucking serious? She's the SI Swimsuit COVER GIRL maings!?!?!

    Do you live under a fucking rock lad?????

  • Mathew McConaughey in Dazed and confused ?

  • I think she was 19 last year... not that I've done... uhem... extensive research or anything.

  • Not to be all gay or anything but Sanchez is a decent looking guy. Famous in the biggest city in the US. Money up the wazoo. Not to mention, he's 25 years old. If you had that same bio and weren't banging super hot chicks I'd be disappointed.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Hey, be nice to Tebow!

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Hahahahahahaha! excellent.

    Banging dudes on the sly counts Rabbit... somewhere.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:


  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    ughh, logic. I just wish he wasn't such a tool.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    yeah I agree canada... but like johnny says... he's just a fucking tool. I'm just envious anyway.

  • ridiculous! Blasphemer!!!!

    It is INCREDIBLY rare to find natural breast with the perfect form, shape, and jiggle exibited by Ms. Upton's. Incredibly rare!

    not that I've done... uhem... extensive research or anything.

  • In reply to Shady:

    Shady, no need to apologize about re-posting Kate. Nicely done. I'll bet there wasn't one of us that didn't take a second look. Oh my!

  • I too have known a few suicides, and it's never really the people you expect. For some reason, the Jerry Springer types don't commit suicide. They lie, cheat, steal, sniff meth, go to prison, have multiple children with multiple baby mamas, but they never take themselves out. Maybe because a person has to have a sense of shame (like the Japanese).

    Anyhow, I posted this before, but whenever I hear of a Seau-type suicide, I always think back to this poem.

    "Richard Cory"

    Whenever Richard Cory went down town,
    We people on the pavement looked at him:
    He was a gentleman from sole to crown,
    Clean-favoured and imperially slim.

    And he was always quietly arrayed,
    And he was always human when he talked;
    But still he fluttered pulses when he said,
    "Good Morning!" and he glittered when he walked.

    And he was rich, yes, richer than a king,
    And admirably schooled in every grace:
    In fine -- we thought that he was everything
    To make us wish that we were in his place.

    So on we worked and waited for the light,
    And went without the meat and cursed the bread,
    And Richard Cory, one calm summer night,
    Went home and put a bullet in his head.

    - E.A. Robinson

  • Totally agree about the idiots. After some idiot goes on a rampage and kills his ex, kids and then himself, I always say I wish they would reverse the order. Save everyone a lot of heartache. Fuckers!

  • From Biggsy

    "Why have Cliff Stein and #Bears been successful for several years signing draft picks quickly? I polled agents that have dealt with him & there were 2 common answers: 1. Stein comes prepared & does so quickly with information that is pertinent to the negotiation. 2. He’s consistent in his approach year after year, player after player. “They’ve been really fair on opening offers,” one agent said of talks this year. The agents don’t want to grind over rookie contracts and neither do the teams."

    Stein was efficient without a rook wage scale, now he probably signs them while they're getting their names called at Radio Hall.

  • welcome Rams draft class of 2012!!!

  • Wow. Seau. Fucksake.

  • read:

  • I will never forgive Neal for this disgusting display, which resulted in the ultimate demise of one of my favorite players of all time.

    infact after watching that…. FUCK YOU Neal , YOU WEAK ASS CUNTBAG!

    Btw, he sounds fucking batshit crazy at the end – so crazy that the guy cut him off. Like the NJ lady with the ridiculous faceblack.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    1st game after the SB, I'll never forget it either.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I had forgotten this.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I forgot about that too.

    MB holds a grudge like an anally raped elephant

  • wow, nice visual $.

    And yes, I do.

  • I dunno about that - he still plays me in MW3 all the time.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    oh, puh leez.

    You got the knife plenty last night my man.


  • In reply to MB30SD:

    That's cause I'm rolling with a shitty class and baseline perks dagnabit!
    And get off my lawn!

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:


  • In reply to MB30SD:

    For that you get Predator in your craw two times dude.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    hahahahaha... bring that sheeeeeiiiiiit

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    That was such a brutal, defensive masterpiece of a game - and then that happened.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    broke my heart maings.... broke my heart

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Your remember the punt hitting the guidewire on the camera in that game? Bizarre.

  • Do the Patriots have enough WR's on their roster?


  • Wow, they're all pretty good. Jones and Hightower on defense too? If the Pats can get tape of their opponents training they could be in the mix for another superbowl run.


    It may be impossible for Seau’s daughter Sydney and sons Jake and Hunter to ever understand why their dad took his life. But in his last moments, they were the people Junior Seau was thinking of.

  • Not sure if that was on his mind. His woman said he was fine. He texted them the day before. I text my kids that I love them on a regular basis. I hate to disagree, but if was truly thinking about his children, he would not have done this.

  • To be honest Artoo, was he really thinking about them at all? If he was he wouldn't have done it. He put himself first. In his last moments he was thinking only of himself.

  • Suggs tore his Achilles

  • MB are you getting stoked for the Giro? Starts on Saturday. It's not supposed to be as insanely difficult this year. They replaced the guy that picks the stages after last year. All of the riders except for Contador were bitching after last year's race. It's still going to be hard. The penultimate stage (20) has 5 passes and ends on top of the Stelvio. Oh Yeah!

  • In reply to CanadaBear:


  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    I totally get it, Murph. Either you like it or you don't. I've always been blown away by the fact that NASCAR was the fastest growing sport in the US for years. I can appreciate the talent it takes to build and drive those cars but would rather do yard work than watch it. Different strokes for sure!

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    and they're coming round the turn again.... aaaaaand again.... aaaaand again.... etc...

    Jesus, how people can watch that garbage defies logic.

    Now F1 on the other hand... amazing. Would you rather watch a car race in tuskafuckingloosa or in Monaco? (see? F1 > NASCAR)

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    NASCAR is artificial competition. More artificial than the ingredients on the junk food advertised on the hoods of the cars.

    Teams have backmarkers whose job it is - is to spin out or put it in the wall, to keep the main guy from going down a lap. The yellows come out at the most opportune times.

    There can be no respect for any racing series in which racers intentionally wreck themselves to bring out caution flags.

    F1 has had some bad mojo, like Senna hitting Proust or Schumi hitting Villneuve. And it feels rigged at times. But when you get a legit duel on a proper wide track, it can be great to watch. The Eau Rogue at Spa is the greatest curve on any track, anywhere.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Having said all that, F1 politics and Smeagol Eccelstine are too much to bear. The money and the corruption of the sport, the shafting of the USGP and the brazen pandering to the Saudis and the Chinese, it's nauseating.

    After Paul Newman died and CART racing fell apart or reformed or whatever the fuck it did and became Indy Racing, it just sucked too. The Indy 500 is what it is, but I could not get into the stuff at the Glen or Laguna. It's more interesting to see modified stock classes run road courses. It's relatable, at least.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    look at you GP, a true aficionado. Impressive.

    My pappy used to take me to Long beach and Del Mar every year when they ran, and we'd watch every televised race abroad. I’ve not watched regularly in a while, but whenever I happen upon a race, I watch.

    Aside from all of the off track bullshit… as a pure race sport, in my mind at least, it is the purest most savage and beautiful. Not quite sure, the sound of the ziiiiiiiiiiow as they go by, the smell of the jet fuel, the places they race… whatever the mix, it’s the best.

    Did you watch the special on the senna crash? My dad in law saw it and said it was great, I haven’t seen it yet, but plan to soon.

    All that said, rally is pretty fucking cool too. If I was going to pick a discipline, I think it might be rally. Look like a blast.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Rally is ok, but it's man against clock. Passing on-track on a road course, that is the best thing.

    My friends got sucked into iRacing. That's run by the BoSox owner, the guy who talks to Billy Beane at the end of Moneyball. Jack Henry. It's hardcore simracing. I don't have the geekery in me to build a basement cockpit, that is too lame for me.

    The Senna documentary is great. He was testament to the Seau principal that nothing less than total dedication to your sport makes you great. All he gave a shit about was going fast. It also makes Alain Proust into the faggot Frenchy everybody knows he is. A politician more than a driver, he was Iceman to Senna's maverick.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    The Senna movie was pretty cool, although that level of deification for driving a car really fast baffles me. I don't like cars, don't like being in them. F1 is just Scalextrix to me. I thought it was cool when I was like 5, 6 years old. Toys for boys.

    Someone once described NASCAR as like marbles going around in an empty biscuit tin.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    you might like
    jackie stewarts explanation
    of what it is like
    to drive an automobile
    taking it to it's limit
    of stress before it comes apart
    it's in scorcese's documentary
    for the beatle george

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Whatchoo talkin' 'bout Willis?

  • The Tour of Italy, of course. Starts tomorrow. Not sure when the next NASCAR race is scheduled!

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    excellent. Yep, I'll be watching. Can't get enough of ‘ol Phil Legit.

    Murph, mind yo mouf... the mere physiology of these races should make them interesting.

  • this is getting crazy:

    It isn't bad enough that they got completely fucking demolished in that game. I remember exactly where I was, buzzed in the mid-day sun down in PB. Good times.

  • Make sure you go to Galway Bay. I also liked kinsale, they had some pretty good food there. I would skip the pete bogs and not spend much timein dublin. Dont know where you live Irish but I found most of the country to be pretty damn boring. Oh bring me back some of the curry dipping sauce for the Mcnuggets at Mcdonalds. That stuff is bomb!

  • smh

  • That's just wrong...

  • You should pick up some curry ketchup at an international grocery - not my favorite but I bet it makes fried chicken-paste taste palatable.

  • Life is definitely run at a slower pace in Ireland once you get outside Dublin, it's more, eh, agricultural shall we say. I wouldn't spend too long long in Dublin if I was travelling to Ireland. I'd spend it discovering the south tip from Cork up, around Kerry to the west coast. Probably the only thing worth seeing in the middle is Newgrange, a 5000 year old temple that acts as a 'clock' for the arrival of the winter solstice when a beam of light fills the central chamber for 17 minutes. It predates stonehenge and the pyramids.

    There's some awesome beaches in the west if you can get the sun, and lots of magical little places and natural settings rather than big tourist traps. Visiting Ireland is more about taking in scenery and being surrounded by thousands of years of culture and history than having 'cool stuff to do' I suppose. Standing up on Ladies View and overlooking the lakes of Killarney framed by mountains is the best thing I've seen in 40 years anyway.

    I never found the conversation or music 'sessions' in pubs boring though. I miss boring in that case. I miss the people and the wit, inventiveness of the language, going to the races. I miss honesty and passion and intelligent conversation. I don't miss the rain, or the lack of sunlight, or the terrible state the banks and the governments have left the country in. But it's a magical place if ye know where to look.

  • Youre absolutely right Irish. I enjoyed the beauty of the landscape and found some amazing spots for reflection and relaxation. There really is nothing in the middle of the country, my trip to the quiet man house was a waste.
    I did have some great conversations and heard some decent music, the guys didnt like it when I knew all the Muddy Waters and Van Morrison lyrics better than they did though. lol Oh and my fantasy of a country full of Nicole Kidman look alikes (yes I know she's an Aussie) was horribly shattered but the people were at least personable, fun and friendly

  • Ah, my auntie lives a stone's throw away from the bridge in the Quiet Man, Oughterard, grand wee spot.

  • Canada, this one's for you:

    Uh, slide #4 ain't bad... yow!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Slide #4 indeed. Me gusta! Bless you my friend!

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    pup and taco canada, pup and taco.

  • Suggs says he's going to be in a Raven's uniform in 2012...

    On October 31st maybe...

  • Someone on twitter is pushing a story that Jay is pissed at Bennett over reporting the news about his kid. The silly season is full bore.

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  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    So that is why Culter doesn't have a twitter account anymore.

  • It's back up now...wonder what all that was about.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I expect a lot of screaming and scowling Jay in camp. He will demand alot from these wideouts, and that is good.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Did you catch the highlight of him throwing to Marshall sans pads?

    Cannot WAIT to see what kind of receiver he turns Jeffrey into.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    At 6-3 or 6-4, depending on the report, Jeffery should be able to knock Roy out for the #2. But Roy is a vet, and much will depend on camp.

    If Jeffery can quickly pick up the playbook and the audibles and stuff, he should be enough of a presence to keep the safety over the top guessing. And that is all Marshall will need, is for that safety to be a step out of place, and bye bye.

    Even going Hester, Marshall and Bennett in the slot, is going to be tough. Hester cannot, for the fucking life of him, work the slant-in for shit though.

  • In reply to gpldan:


    When did we get Roy back?

    I was positive we let him go.

  • AFAIK he has not been re-signed.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    GP, seriously, it seems like every thread I'm posting about Roy Williams not being on the roster. He's not a Bear, mang. His contract was up in March I think. He gone.

  • And Jeffrey's going to take a while to get the hang of the NFL surely. He has to earn his spot on the field, we can't have him out there if he hangs Cutler out to dry like Knox did. The man was a liability, a hindrance not a help.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    seeing the boys out there getting going was awesome. I'm glad that Jay has several more months to get the thumb in tip top shape so the grip strength is the same. He will never have the same feel for it but with enough time he can get used to the new thumb sitchyation.

    I'm already pumped and the season is over 3 months away.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    link pls

  • In reply to MB30SD:,0,2841105.story

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Warning: do not mix that video and Viagra or you may experience Bears fear-boner.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Oh My FUCKING GOD!!!!

    We are going to beat the fuck out of people this year. Even seeing Jason Campbell back there gave me the opposite of a fear boner. A competent 2nd QB!!! Holy schnykies!

    I'm fucking giddy like a little girl right now. Holy shit... if we can stay healthy this is the most stacked Bears team since 85... Did I saaaaaay thaaaaaaat?

    I just fucking did... THAT just happened.

    Shake and bake motherfuckers!!!


  • In reply to MB30SD:

    OK Stephon Urkell. What exactly IS the opposite of a fear boner? ED swag?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Holy schneikies indeed.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Wow. Cutler just flings it 50 yards like he's lobbing a volleyball to a little girl.

    Our O is going to grind down a D. Our Oline, while suspect at pass block, is HUGE and run block like Hulks.

    Our TEs are HUGE.

    Our WRs are HUGE

    Our RBs are HUGE

    Just like my penis, we will ravage pussies.

    Bear down!

  • hahahahahahah... NFL cervical deconstruction baby!

  • A huge line, with huge TEs and huge WRs, blocking for huge RBs .... hmmm .... there will be running methinks. Hard running ... brutal running ... over bruised kitties .... and purple bi-queens ... and snot-colored fudgepackers.

    Can we make running cool again?

    Chicago Bears 2012.
    ... Passing is for girls ...

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    In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Oh my. I need one of those every day until camp. Good god am I excited about this season.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    My enthusiasm will remain heavily muted until Matt Forte is happy and ready to kick ass. THEN I will get giddy.

    The offense will be much, much, much better with him than without. I could see Matt (seriously) averaging six yards a carry. Especially if Rodriguez blocks nearly as well in the big leagues as he did on that highlight video.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    I'm with you, although the "happy" part is somewhat irrelevant. I'm mostly concerned that he's ready to kick ass.
    Wait a second, aren't I supposed to be the one siding with the labor in this contract dispute?

    He should be explosive against teams that have to play their safeties and LBs honest against the pass. I am trying to keep calm until the season starts but damn...

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    How about one of those diamond back fields? Bush/Clutts and E-rod lined up in the pro-set, Forte behind them. Davis and Marshall as receivers on either side. Pull Louis and Carimi around left end. Cutler hits Marshall anytime he pleases off that playaction.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    enjoyed the show
    they look in synch
    and it is only may


    Just my opinion

  • that's crazy talk erik. crazy.

    The dude has enough problems and he's on fucking offense. Not his bailiwick mate.

    But I like that you’ve already grasped the, ‘be controversial to get clicks concept’. You’ll be don banks soon enough lad. Keep up the good work.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    To be honest, I just don't see how the leader of your team can let other players get hurt when you know and I know that Brees knew what was going on.

    Everyone should be in trouble. Not just Brees. They were all okay with ending a players career.

    How would you have felt if the Saints ended Mike Brown's career ? I think you would be pissed at every player that let that happen.


  • That's my QB!

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    It belongs on my wall next to an autographed copy of this:

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Dude, that dog is SO gay... much more gay than Shady's:

    btw, I never told you that my uncle has a weenie dog Shady, his name is Schultz (no, I'm not kidding)

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I dunno, maing - if it's Cutty's dog, it's probably slaying bitches left and right.

    Bonus points to your uncle if he's named after the character from Hogan's Heroes.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Hahahahaha... don't think so, they live in SA and probably have never seen the show. I loved it growing up though.

    I think it was just a play on the whol german thing... and my grandfather was German.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    #1 you know that's his girlfriend's dog. Nothing wrong with Yorkies if they aren't the constant barking, ankle biting types. I've got a 10# Havanese bundle of joy and she's a blast. I love cats and all types of dogs so maybe I'm a little biased. If Jay's Yorkie is the barking/biting kind we'll have to send it over to Corm's yard.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    There is no question that Cutler is the quarterback for Chicago.

    Great stuff Mike.

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    In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Love that he is flipping the camera off, hate that he has a pocket dog.

  • In reply to Big Mike:

    He'll have a pocket person in about 6 months and his sex life is already over. Hate that. I'm worried for our boy when he starts shooting wax darts in the shower. An NFL QB still in his twenties reduced to that. It's sad I tells ya. Sad.

  • There's more btw... I love the behind the shoulder, nonchalant version at the bottom:

  • Oh, and this is why you should never take your baby on safari with you:

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Uh, that guy has way more faith in the construction firm for the zoo than I ever would.

  • Not sure if anyone has posted this, but I always love hearing Thayer analyze the Bears.

    A few key notes.

    - Alshon, for the first time in 3 years, will likely face single coverage.
    - Many Oline guys, due to inj last year, feel like they're starters, thus creating competition.
    - Rodriguez is a great in-line blocker, and mismatch for most LBs with 4.5 speed
    - Shea played multiple positions, so he knows how to attack the QB from many angles with various moves.

  • Mario Williams ‏ @bbwolf90
    Not really sure how I've reached 300lbs but yet I'm faster and look better than ever physically as well as strength coming off a pec injury

  • Your Boy Roy isn't so high on Hardin, essentially calling him a pussy. Also, doesn't see James Brown as a G, more as a OT. He likes Shea, loves Alshon, and thinks CB Frey might be a steal, while CB McCoy got lit up by Baylor, and sees him just as a KR specialist.

  • I still think we might get screwed with picking Shea...

    He played so many different positions and I hope I am dead wrong but I just don't see the 1st round label or talent..

  • I think we were in a dilemma at 19 to pick DE. All the prospects had knocks.

    - Coples has no heart, and didn't get many sacks as a DE
    - Ingram is only 6'1 and more of 3-4
    - Mercilus is the same exact size as Shea, but only with 1 year production.
    - Chandler Jones is injury prone and has less intincts and production than Shea

    No matter which DE we would've drafted, there would be question.

    Hey, I saw that you made a twitter cameo with Your Boy Roy lol

  • Coples and Ingram didn't fall to us but you are right. There would have been doubts and questions.

    Yep, Your Boy Roy is pretty funny and he has a lot of info that most writers don't know about. Seriously.

  • Have you watched extensive game film on him Artoo? Do you know how the Bears plan to use him? Why would the Cheese and Patsy's be interested in him? Don't they have a pretty good drafting record? See the ball Artoo, be the ball.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    Yes I have. The Bears want him to be a DE. How do we know those reports are true?

    I really hope that he becomes a great player. I really do.

  • Browsing the internet, I came up on several scouting reports from both organizations montsh before the draft. Green Bay was looking at him very hard.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    Sigh. Like I said, I hope he is a great player for years to come.

    Prove me wrong Shea and Emery. Prove me wrong.

  • We got a log jam at WR. We'll probably carry 6, so 3 of these will be released.

    1) Marshall
    2) Alshon
    3) Bennett
    4) Hester
    5) Knox
    6) Roy
    7) Devin Thomas
    8) Weems
    9) Sanzenbacher

    That's not even including all the UFAs.

  • Roy is gone, and Sanzenbacher is gone...Knox will go on IR.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I agree. But with the two KR/PR guys we picked up (CB McCoy, WR Weems), makes me wonder if Hester is indeed on the trading block.

    Putting Knox on PUP list would be a savvy move. We already know what we got in him, so why not give Thomas, Weems and Alshon more reps and evaluate what they offer.

    If one of them happen to get inj, the activate Knox after week 6. If they're lighting it up, then maybe the Bears do IR him for the whole year, but that would be a little risky, esp since we're going to be in the playo-offs.

    Question is, if Knox does come back, which guy will be the odd man out?

  • Nah, Weems or McCoy will handle KR duties while Hester stays the guy on PR duties. If Knox were still around, I doubt we would've taken a return guy in McCoy and maybe wouldn't have signed Weems.
    I do like the PUP idea.

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    I'm saying Roy Williams makes the team. Knox to IR.

  • In reply to Big Mike:

    Yeah, I'm not so sure Roy is gone. He's cheap, and he came on a little late. I think it's just his attitude that rubs everyone the wrong way. If he had a little Clutts in him, he'd be easier to root for.

    It might come down between Roy-vs-Thomas in camp, and usually early draft picks and FAs have the upper hand there.

  • Roy's problem is that he doesn't play special teams. We've got Marshall, Jeffery and Bennett as the confirmed top 3 starting recievers. You need your 2-3 backups that are taking up valuable roster spots to be able to at least contribute on specials. If Roy isn't a #1 gunner, that's fine, but the guy doesn't even see the field.

    Plus Roy had some drops last year that probably shook Jay's confidence in him quite a bit. He'll likely get a camp invite, but I don't see him sticking around for the season.

  • Well..... um... it's not exactly Serengeti

  • Get your mouth shut!

  • Ryan Grant got picked up by the Lions.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    When did that happen?

  • Artoo is head-in-hands crying onto his I-phone 4S right now. You mean you're not following the Detroit Lions official twitter feed, mang? Artoo missed a player movement in Twitterverse. I think you just lost your blog man. Wait til everyone hears about this, jeez, and you were showing so much promise .....

    Tut tut.

  • I don't think he did...and if you would have came to the draft party you would know it is an android.

    Ask MBP, Murph, Tobi, and NewBear.. it's like my crack. Jk.. I think?

  • Da Droid is sux

  • In reply to gpldan:

    dont tell me you're an iphone guy GP.

    I didn't peg you as a metro.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    No no I have a droid. Fucking thing reboots all the damn time.

    Larry Ellison is going to get medieval on Google's ass over this droid POS.

  • No, no, you're not kidding - twitter on your android is definitely your crack. You were glued to that thing like white on rice...
    You and Murph should go to the preseason game in NY - I'll meet ya there.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Maybe. Train rides are fun.

  • I would bet it's a solid day and a half by Amtrak.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Super fuck. That is a long time. They do have beds on those trains..

    If purchase a bed on a train, can I have sex in it..?

    Google time.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    As long as its only self-abuse, I think you're in the clear.

    I think it'd be cheaper to fly, maing.

  • shady... wtf are you maings? Call your fucking innerness provider dude!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Guess who's back... back again. No more key boa.

  • What a great day. It was raining buckets with hail this morning, then it got up to 80 degrees this afternoon. Had a great evening in the back yard watching the birds and the beautiful sunset. The birds were hustling to feed the little ones. The baby Blackbirds, Cardinals, and Sparrows were chirping for more food. There were wrens, chickadees, swallows, and robins frantically searching for food for the little ones. I don't know how Mourning Doves and Pigeons gets so big, since they always seem to be lazy. While drinking a beer in the back yard, I seen a robin feeding a little one out of the nest in an arborvitae hedge, just getting ready to fly. The mother must have noticed me watching, so it started to play coy. I decided to teach that bird a lesson. I snuck up on the little Robin, grabbed it, and squeezed it until the guts came out. Then I put it back on the branch it was on and waited for the mother to come back.
    She was outta sorts, and didn't know what to do. I guess she's gotta start a new nest. Life can be cruel.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    To be honest, that is pretty fucked up.

    Where did that come from?

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    Jeffery Dahmer's nature guide? Drinkin and bloggin, bloggin and drinkin.

    Ahem. In other news .....

    Bour Boy Roy breaks down the draft, textually and on his vlog. Interesting that he has Hardin as the likely bust, but E-rod seeing a lot of playing time, forcing defenses to keep their base package in, instead of switching in a nickel.

  • Frey played three years of man coverage in college and is apparently a baller, great at breaking up passes - one of the very best at doing so in the draft.

    McCoy - pure return guy, not very good as a DB. Still like to know what happened to Molk the center

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    well that was senseless. you're a tool.

  • Don't you see it? The poor helpless bird represents Cheesy and the rest of the turd trolls that swoop in and try to drop their bird shit on us from time to time. 5th was just trying to send them a message is all.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    common... it's either from somewhere else or he was just fucking around. No way a normal human actually does something like that.... and corm strikes me as a regular guy like the rest of us,

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I thought it was a Jack Handy quote but it was a little fucked up for even that.
    Gotta say, I'm curious.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    you're right, can't be real. I thought it was real at first but looking back there is simply no way.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Ha! I thought Jack Handy too ! Legendary stuff.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    The fuck?

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    Corm that sounds like a Monty Python skit. When the hunter says "I love animals, that's why I kill 'em."

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    It was fucking Kimbo Slice psycho

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    What the fuck? gotta clear this up. You for real?

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    True story, until the part about killing the bird. It was a joke, but a bit twisted. Wrong place for that joke. I actually love watching birds. My back yard is loaded with birds. There's all kinds of nesting trees and lots of trees that are good food sources. I get a lot of migrating birds in my yard in spring and fall because there is always something for them to eat.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    Man, I was like - Corm lost his damn mind!
    Speaking of birds, I saw an osprey yesterday flying right over my car with a fresh catch in its claws - probably a panfish. Now that was pretty cool.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    And then I shot it....

    Too soon?

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    LOL, and ate it raw, right there on the spot....

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    Cooked the fish though...

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    osprey's are cool... bitches:


    Have to admit, these are some clever arguments. I've always wondered why the NFLPA let the appeals process go the way it did. Goodell can basically do whatever he wants now and the players' only remedy is a full on strike.

    This is a great example of what separates a truly clever deal maker from a hack. The hack will kick and scream and demand that the headlines have the biggest number possible (in this case the revenue split). A true dealmaker will use that single-mindedness and make the big numbers meaningless. I hope Matt Forte is paying attention to this story.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    Exactly nb. The antithesis of jerry angelo

  • If the lab shows Seau had CTE, and the lab's rep is strong - it's going to springboard the lawsuit against the NFL. 100 players strong already... and growing... I'm sure Hillenmeyer is on that list.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    My question would be: why does a current study prove negligence on behalf of the NFL? Wouldn't there have to be proof (i.e. earlier studies) that the NFL knew of these additional risks?
    IAONAL but I'm curious about that - not saying I have any problem with the players' suit.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I'm sure what the union wants are documents, which can be subpoenaed in discovery, that would detail what the nfl brass knew and when they knew it.

    It's not dissimilar to any case in which labor is suing for exposure to dangerous (insert what you wish here), contaminants, radiation, sun exposure, etc.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Right - I get that, I guess. I guess is my question is, if no evidence of prior knowledge (meaning, say, prior to 2008) of the connection between CTE and concussions is found in the discovery phase of a trial, is the current study pertinent to claims of injuries prior to that?

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Say there's a connection between CTE and concussions etc. Can a suicide not be simply related to severe depression and can that depression be entirely unrelated to CTE? If a man eats 12 apples a day and dies of cancer, did the apples cause his cancer?

    {Is that Jack Handy?}

    Aw, crap.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Please don't tell me people are suing over sun exposure. A lot of the guys that work for me like to work in shorts, sunglasses, and tennis shoes. Am I going to have to make them wear long pants and shirts, and discipline them for not wearing sunscreen?

  • In reply to TheFifth:


  • In reply to gpldan:

    That is ridiculous to the point of asinine. I should probably make them all wear respirators when the pollen count gets high, or during spring and fall cleanups when there is a lot of dust. The Precautionary Principle is so stupid, it precludes the Precautionary Principle.
    I went to a seminar a few years ago regarding hiring and firing employees. The lawyers putting on the seminar suggested you should never give a positive or negative recommendation on a past employee, because you could get sued. If you recommend someone and they don't work out, the other company can sue you. If you tell a potential employer that a guy or girl was a piece of shit, that former employee can sue you for libel. It's all horseshit in my mind. And people wonder why companies are leaving the East Coast and Midwest in droves and moving overseas or to the southern US.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    If I were the league I'd try to get the lawsuits thrown out on the basis that the players are in effect suing themselves since they are the ones inflicting damage upon each other during the course of a game. Probably won't happen though, it would make too much sense.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    That makes about as much sense as coal miners suing the coal for black lung.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Of course you would say that. How many coal miners got to shag super models, party for 5 or 10 years after college, eat caviar and live the good life all while playing the game they loved and lived for? Doesn't sound like the coalminer's story to me.

    As far as I'm concerned they pissed away all the goodies they gobled while they played and up cause they never stopped to think about tomorrow, at the end of the day, that is on them. They should take responsibility because they knew what the game of football involved. My mother told me not to play because of the violence on the body but I blew her off cause I loved the game and didn't care. She had no medical back ground, just common sense. At the end of the day this is America. Go sue somebody cause you can.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    I'm sorry but the "everybody knew football was dangerous" argument will hold no water. You'll see.

    I don't really give a rat's ass that you guys don't like liability cases or understand how torts work. Or you think we're an overly litigious society and that a guy like Mike Webster who died a vegetable should just "be happy" because while he was young, he had some semblance of rock star life. Means fucking nothing to me; means fucking nothing to the courts. It's not how the law works.

    All that matters is proving that the NFL had data and advisory medical information that the helmet to helmet trauma was the root cause of CTE, and chose to conceal that information from the player's union and fuck with players medical insurance claims like they did with Hillenmeyer.

    That's it. All that matters. The rest of the "they should take responsibility" is all bullshit. It's just saying "they should have known something they didn't know". It's why they tried to kill Jeffery Wigand. Because he was going to get up there and say not only was it nicotine, but they were fucking around with tar compounds and doing other secret trials with mice to make the cigarette as addictive as possible, that's why they wanted him shut up.

    If the NFL dropped an insider like that who said "we knew that helmet to helmet contact had the potential to rapidly accelerate CTE or in some cases directly cause CTE", they would probably try and shut him down too.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Lawyers are always the slowest payers, and it's like pulling teeth to get my money from them sometimes. They think they are on a retainer, and four months after a job is done they want to renegotiate the original price for work. Don't have much respect for that profession and the individuals involved.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Enough with the straw man arguments, O.K. Nobody is arguing that concussions don't occur. I think these lawsuits are about using concussions for money, plain and simple. If my argument is bunk, why don't you hear a single NFL player stepping up and saying no mas in the prime of their careers? Most of these guys are pretty sharp, they can read the newspapers too. I'm saying they don't care about the warnings GP. They prefer to bask in the glory and worry about it later. Some of these guys get shots before every game just to deal with the pain, they don't care about the long term effects to their bodies, just like a smoker doesn't care about the damage he does to his lungs when he lights one up. Wait till they get old. Every running back and #1 wide receiver probably get a concussion at least once a game. These guys either need to sign a waiver or step away from the game, there's isn't a player alive that's not aware of the risks and yet they still play. Those that played the game and are now crying foul are full of crap.

    Nice argument councilor, save it for the court room.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    Let's back up a little bit. Forget what players know now. We have been inundated with stories about concussions and the possibility of it contributing to CTE (among other possibilities) so much lately that we need a reminder that generally concussions were NOT treated or recognized as causing degenerative brain syndromes until relatively recently. You got some smelling salts and went back out there (bringing back bad memories of Cutty wiping himself off the turf against the Giants time and again after being obviously concussed).

    My point, and I believe GPL would agree with this, is that current studies aside, the NFL players who are filing suit are primarily going to be looking for proof that the NFL knew that concussions were far more dangerous than they let on in the past and did not take preventative measures to educate and protect players.
    Personally, I think you'd have to be a little nuts to play now and not seriously think about retiring after a couple of doozies, but in a league where relatively little contract money is actually guaranteed, and a culture that prides itself on "next man up", I get it. This isn't the NBA or MLB. If you aren't there on Sunday, you're probably going to get cut.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Bingo. Give the man a cigar.

    I have no issues with the deal now. You step in the ring, you could get knocked out.

    People still box, and everybody knows Ali didn't get the shakes from too much pepperoni pizza.

    But it's the generation of McMahon, who best summed it up, when he said he knew he was putting his body on the line, he DIDN'T know he was putting his mind. Well said, Jimmy Mac.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    GP, the mind is part of his body. Hello?

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    And Trac - this is not an insignificant distinction:

    You can transplant a lung, you can cast a broken bone, but there ain't a fucking thing you can do about a brain injury.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    It was one thing to know you were going to spend the week with a headache and aversion to light.

    It's another thing to know that knockout blow is going to put holes in your cerebrum.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Darn, running out of room. This be my last word on the matter for now.

    1) Why did the NFL go from leather helmets in 1949 to the plastic shell like ones they use today? Answer, the leather helmets did not offer adequate protection. How did they know this? Because concussions and head injuries were becoming a problem. Don't tell me nobody knew about the health risks of concussions. How many of these guys joining these lawsuits played prior to 1949? Answer I'm sure is probably 0.

    Side note: To be intellectually honest, I'd accept a ruling that Pro Football as it's played today cannot continue due to player health concerns and potential life threatening injuries. You cannot manage concussions with the NFL's current format. The only way to do that would be to eliminate ALL contact and even then, head injuries will still occur inadvertently. I wonder how the players association would vote on that? If the Lawyers have their way, say bye bye to contact football and hello to flag football. Also, the only equipment that will be available on the market would be cheap knockoffs from China where their would result in no equipment liability accountability because companies in America would refuse to make equipment. So as usual, the (few) sour grape group will destroy countless industries, professions and sports. Life is about choices. Good, bad and indifferent.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Again, there's a distinction between protecting against a concussion, which sucks regardless, and protecting against long-term brain disorders.
    The concerns in 1930 were NOT the same as they are now. Hell, my point is they are not the same as they were 5 years ago!
    Plus, I gather that the leather helmets made sweating under a poly shell absolutely heaven in comparison.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Maybe there is much more on the rest of this thread, but all that matters is the cocksucking lawyer gets his/her money.

  • Our most likely spot for an FA pickup at this point is DT. I haven't found any other site besides walterfootball that gives an up to date list of available talent with any kind of a ranking attached.

    I note that the two best DTs available with any kind of pass rush skills are both problem cases, one a familiar name: Albert Haynseworth and Tommie Harris. Walter considers the other names to be basically run stoppers (which wouldn't be terrible at the NT spot).

    Some of the names at the bottom of the list (and some of the inevitable cuts that will start happening around the league) will get a look by Emery. But given what's out there, I think the starters are already on our team.

    DE - Peppers, Izzy, Shea
    DT - Melton, Paea, Toeaina

    I think its safe to say next round's first or second round pick will be a "tackle." Question is: Offensive or Defensive Tackle?

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    we need to reaplace lach next year NB, or at least get him an understudy.

    Manti in the first please.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Not disagreeing. But Lach's heir apparent could come in the second round, or we go LB in the first and draft "tackle" in the 2nd, as I suggested above.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    I think Marinelli will kick Chauncey Davis inside to give Wooton a last chance. I'm sure they will add somebody once the cuts start happenning. There's no way we add Fat Albert and Tommie coming back would be a big surprise.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    Izzy becomes a tackle. Again.

  • some would say he was kind of never an end. The good part is that he plays both positions decently. Chauncey Davis plays both positions decently. Wootton has a weird pez dispenser head and neck. That special teams injury did him in i think. I still wanted a OL and DL pickup in the wake of Okoye and Adams leaving. Dare I mention the name Aubrayo Franklin?

  • cheap FA DT seems like the most logical solution.

    But i am going with Jeff on this one: get Osi for our 3rd round pick next year (and i could even be talked into resigning him for a similar contract the Giants gave their other DE last week - on next year's cap). Then, kick Izzy back inside on obvious pass dows. And continue using Pep at the 3 technique on some plays, with Osi and Shea playing the DE spots.

    Lots of possible combinations with all the versatile athletes we would have.

    Rush four with Shea, Melton, Pep and Osi. And watch the 7 others collect picks. A guy can dream.

  • In reply to BXLBearsFan:

    My rationale for dealing our 3rd next year: if all goes well this year, our first will be very low. like 32nd low. So i say deal that pick, for an additional 2nd or 3rd.

  • In reply to BXLBearsFan:

    We already traded that pick to get Marshall.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Giants want a first for Osi, so he'd probably require a second rounder.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    ah crap...forgot abt that...

  • In reply to BXLBearsFan:

    DEs : Osi, Sheamus, Pep.
    DTs : Izzy. Melton.

    Maybe a very occasional blitz, to y'know, make it really unfair.

  • Sorry boys, I don't have much of anything of value while we wait upon the season except this wonderful nugget I came upon going through my things. My Dad gave this to me when I was a wee lad and didn't understand a lick of it. It took me many years before I got it.


    If you can keep your head when all about you
    Are losing theirs and blaming it on you;
    If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
    But make allowance for their doubting too;
    If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
    Or, being lied about, don't deal in lies,
    Or, being hated, don't give way to hating,
    And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise;

    If you can dream - and not make dreams your master;
    If you can think - and not make thoughts your aim;
    If you can meet with triumph and disaster
    And treat those two imposters just the same;
    If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
    Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
    Or watch the things you gave your life to broken,
    And stoop and build 'em up with wornout tools;

    If you can make one heap of all your winnings
    And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
    And lose, and start again at your beginnings
    And never breath a word about your loss;
    If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
    To serve your turn long after they are gone,
    And so hold on when there is nothing in you
    Except the Will which says to them: "Hold on";

    If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
    Or walk with kings - nor lose the common touch;
    If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you;
    If all men count with you, but none too much;
    If you can fill the unforgiving minute
    With sixty seconds' worth of distance run -
    Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
    And - which is more - you'll be a Man my son!

    By Sir Rudyard Kipling

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    Ah I remember that from Apocalypse Now. Great movie. I should have been a pair of ragged claws!

  • Very good Sac, bravo.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    god I love that movie:

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    One of my favorite movies of all time. So well acted, shot and directed. And the thing about a truly great movie is it elicits some sort of emotional reaction, which this one definitely does.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    Kipling is pretty amazing.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    Britain's favorite poem (although it doesn't scan, that's the great unwashed for you). That's a lot for a kid to take in. I like these ones for passing on:

    We become what we think about most of the time.

    Success is the progressive realisation of worthy ideals.

    What is your goal? What are you doing? Where are you going? Do your work.

    Earl Nightingale, you remain The Man.

  • Bills, who have a deep secondary, have released veteran corner Drayton Florence

  • Daytona Florida? I love that place!

  • In reply to gpldan:


  • We could always use another corner :o)

  • I think it was you Trac who posted that video of Jeff Daniels singing " Grandfathers hat".

    If I am wrong I am sorry but I couldn't remember.

    Thank you. I can't stop listening to it and I would have never heard about it if it wasn't for you. Thus, thank you again.

  • Anythink to help Artoo. I am dreading the day that I get "The Call" when one of my parents or sisters time comes.

  • Glad to hear you're on the upswing Super.

  • In response to your FN post R2:

    I see what you are saying R2: but when I put myself in Brees' shoes I would also just turn the other way. The responsibility belongs to The Head coach and GM. They got suspended. For all we know Drew B. has been going to his coaches and front office for years begging them to stop the bounties.
    Maybe suspending ANY players is to harsh.

  • In reply to EnderWiggin:

    I replied back on there. Thanks for contributing.

  • A swing and a miss!

    Good nerd humor here

  • Adam Yauch of the Beastie Boys, dead.

    RIP MCA.

    The hits just keep on coming.

  • WHAT THE FUCK?!?!?!?!?

    Cancer? Damn man... damn!

  • No fuckin way. All those Mercs and VWs I defaced as a kid ... it was because of you MCA .....

  • yeah man. he blew a lot of minds. He was a true visionary.

    RIP MCA.

  • Sports Illustrated has selected Alshon Jeffery as one of 12 NFL rookies capable of making an immediate impact this season. YES!!!!
    Also, I'm a fan of the Bear "C" and all but come ooooooooon I wanna see the old bear logo on the helmets it would look sooooooo tuff!

  • In reply to OsosFan:

    What logo is that Osos? I dont know of any logo except the C. It has changed in look and design over the years but has always been a C as long as I can remember.

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    Just was looking up some history and pre 1960s the pics from the Bears web site show no logos on the helmets.

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    Heres some old logos , but i sure wouldnt want them on the helmets.

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    wow, that first little bear one is BAAAAAAD murph.

    This is all I could find on the Staley's:

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    He looks like he should be stealing a coke bottle or something.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    coke smuggler?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Veddy veddy sneaky. Sounds like an....inside job?

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    yeh, I don't know. She was probably stuck up anyway

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:


  • I read that they alternated their logos. I forgot where though, Im still trying to find the source. How about this one with the Bear roaring? I just feel it would look badass if they had that logo on the helmets and kept the "C" on the jerseys..... but I'm young, and I'm still learning the Bears history and I am all for traditions though.

  • nice vaginas ladies:

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Damn it MB........can these be the new honeybears...


  • In reply to lobotobear:

    Here's my take lobo...

    yes, no, no, HELL YES!, yes.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    tee hee hee

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    I was going to give #1 a Hell yes too... but if you look at her middle, I give her about another 2-3 years before she starts to balloon. Her midsection's built like spongebob. Yikes!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    you sick you's a bitch as you get older and gravity takes over...

    all I can say is..."Hail Cameltoe"!

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    btw...MB...dude you don't even mask that your a Breastman!!!!!! LOL!!!!

    How could I have guessed that four would be a "HELL YES"!!!!

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    am I that transparent?

  • In reply to lobotobear:

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Of course you're that transparent. Jeesh! I've had numerous friends in my life that were total boob men and you fit right in! I always say I'm a vagina man. That usually is a conversation killer.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I'll take the odds and pass on the evens. Ill go with #1 regardless of how she might look in another year or two. Might be all I have left, why pass?

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    I agree that #1 is the pretty one. But #3 in the middle has a fucking perfect body.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Number 4's face looks very muscular... with big boobs.

    In fact she looks like the girl that is in Click, American Pie..

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    W\ere's my chocolate?

  • how long is blogfader gone for?..or should I say How many Guinness Tap's can he lay under while across the pond an not create a new thread?...and if so what is the record for post's on one thread?

    I want to say one time I believe it got up to 500? am I remembering that correctly?

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    May 10th till the 19th

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    You still thinking about going to the Jacksonville game, Murph?

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    Dude, it regularly gets up to 500 now. I think the record was around 800 after a Minny game, although the blog breaks on 600 posts now.

  • Looks interesting, no:

    btw, have I mentioned that evil chick in the mast (can't remember her name) is fugly. Nast-T, yuck.

  • In reply to MB30SD:


  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Look, a horse face JAP should not have been Catwoman.

    In the dark comics I read in college, the Frank Miller like shit, Selina was a bad ass who grew up in the slums, was raped and abused and made herself into a weapon.

    Nolan had that, if he wanted that. A real life story like that, and damn if she isn't as close to the comic Selina as I've ever seen: Gina Carano.

    The guys making Tripwire figured it out.

    Here she is kicking ass:

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Sorry Haywire, not Tripwire.!

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Soderberg trumped Nolan.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Try imaging Gina Carano saying

    "You think this can last. There's a storm coming Mr. Wayne. You and your friends better baton down the hatches. Cause when it hits your all gonna wonder how you could live so large and leave so little for the rest of us. "

    I mean, coming from her, that would have been fucking ominous. From Hathaway, it's a joke.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Haywire made my top 10 list of all time worst movies that could have been decent.

    Soderbergh fell ill and had to leave the musical score, dialogue and editing to his little cousin Timmy Soderbergh.

    That movie was fucking brutal but the fight scenes were awesome because they were raw and were all one take one shot scenes. They were badass fight scenes...and they were wasted in a shitty movie.

  • Yep, fight choreography was excellent. You don't see girls get the crap beaten out of them that often in the movies. I hope Ewan really needed the money, there was no excuse for that.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I saw that POS movie. There is one scene where our hero runs into a building and gains access to the roof, where he starts running around the rooftops. When he finally decides to go to ground level, the gardai are magically running up the stairs of that particular building. I laughed out loud. Soderbergh sucks. Gina does kick ass though. The first scene is John Cena and her besting the shit out of each other in a diner. The movie goes downhill after that. I can't believe Ewan McGregor agreed to be in that POS after doing The Ghost Writer.

    Contraband with Marky Mark was good, worth a watch, and The Grey with Liam Neeson had a good script. Crappy CGI wolves/models though.

  • Haywire is terrible. I wanted the end to have Antonio shoot her dead and say "nobody fucks with the Mariachi".

    That would have single-handedly saved the film.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Anyone who likes Anne Hathaway is gay. I can prove this with a paper and pencil. Anorexic lollipop stick with eyes. And Gwyneth Paltrow is a dog.

    Next week ..... Katy Perry and Paris Hilton.

  • Hits keep coming: Saints RB Mark Ingram underwent arthroscopic knee surgery Thursday that is expected to sideline him six weeks.


    Someone might have posted this before. Who knows.

  • Canada, I want to send you some stuff. Send me an email at this address if interested.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    I'll send you my E-mail address, Corm.

  • Apropos of nothing, having a really shitty day and this video helped make me less pissed:


  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    LSD always does the trick, especially in a pure liquid form, not that paper shit. Can't control the dose. Mushrooms can vary wildly in strength too, so it's better to grow your own to better assess your dose. With some schrooms, 2 grams with do nothing more than give you a stomach ache, and with others a cap and two stems can send you into la la land, a complete state of Nirvana.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    where the Robins blow their own heads up...

  • In reply to gpldan:


  • In reply to TheFifth:

    "Today a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed into a slow vibration, that we are all one consciousness, experiencing itself subjectively, there's no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves..... Here's Tom with the weather." Bill Hicks

    I knew it! I knew that shit sounded like it you were on LSD. Man, how do you come across liquid? Damn, I miss that shit. Haven't checked my head in about 16 years.

    You'll love this, Alexander Shulgin :

  • Have not tripped since 1997 or 1998, when I had a bad experience for about 3 hours and got paranoid. Ironically it was on very powerful mushrooms, not acid. Before that, I had a lot of powerful, positive experiences tripping, especially at concerts and camping / fishing in the middle of nowhere in Upper Michigan. Used to get the liquid acid at Grateful Dead concerts.
    Took a very small quantity of schrooms golfing with friends last year. Just enough for us all to get the giggles for about 5-6 hours. Good thing we were playing best ball, with three on each team. It was like the Vida Blue game. One shot would go straight sideways into the woods, and the next one would be a beautiful shot. One constant was that every shot was funny. Our scores were actually pretty good.
    I'll check out that video.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    Golf on mushrooms? Wow. That sounds like a lot of fun. On a deserted course I'd like to try that. I used to collect golfballs at my local course, fewer things more beautiful than a golf course at dawn.

  • I worked at three really nice country clubs for about 10 years. It's amazing all the cool shit you see when the sun is coming up. I loved mowing greens in the morning.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    I remember back in high school my mother wondering how the jungle of morning glory seeds got growing in the back yard. Do a Google search and you'll find methods for extracting a hallucinogen from them (similar to reducing cocaine to base back before crack showed up). That was a long time ago and I haven't been down that road in decades nor do I care to venture there again.

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    Anyone try smoking salvia divonorum? I think it's still legal. Have a little smoke and it's like having a 15 minute trip.

  • Not I. Sugar and caffeine have been my only drugs for over the last twenty years. All the other ones quit working for me. About the same time I was trying to squeeze a high out of morning glory seeds, I remember sitting in a local forest preserve inhaling refrigerant out of those glass chillers they used to sell and then watching the aliens descend from the sky. Before any of you kids try this at home, first fill a balloon with the stuff and then shake it until it quits rattling before inhaling, that way you won't damage your lungs. As for your brain cells....

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    Never done it - and I'm too damn old to start now. Not to mention, it is not particularly compatible with my career and I'm scared of clowns. I don't want to have my computer monitor turn into one.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Oh yeah, there'd be clowns in every closet and under every bed. Probably one in the fridge too, just waiting for you to open it...

  • I'm doing the Jacksonville game for sure. I have my flight done, have my hotel reservation done, got the car rented, just have to get the tickets.

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    Normally, I'd say make sure you have tickets first but the Jags had a very difficult time last year selling tickets. I think they had more than a couple local TV blackouts...

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    And don't bother bringing a jacket. October in Florida is F'n hot. A local Packer friend brought me to a game a few years back when they were playing the Dolphins. It was around the same time of the year (early Oct). Great seats but after about a half hour, I had to head in under the stands, I just couldn't take the heat. I have no clue how the players do it as it's even hotter on the field. The FL teams should play all their road games the first eight weeks of the season and then return when things cool down a bit....

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    Thanks tobi, I usually just get tix on stub hub or ebay if the game is sold out or I want a different ticket. I usually do some research and look for tickets in the shade when I go to games in warmer spots. I cant handle the heat too much so Im hopin its closer to avg than above avg. Avg high temp that time of year is about 82. Was better choice than Minny in December.
    You thinkin bout goin Posse?

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    I can't believe you can't go to the Titans game. Lazy ass. Jk

    I hope you guys can go and I hope you safe travels.

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    Yeah, I'm sure there'll be plenty of tickets available. A customer of mine was living in Tampa the first few years the Bucs were in existence and back then there were far more tickets than fans. She said you'd leave a couple Bucs tickets under a windshield wiper hoping someone would take them but when you got back there would be a couple more tucked under there along with your original two. I don't know if that's actually true but it makes for a good story....

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    Thinking about it - my schedule isn't going to really permit the trip to TN, and I have no idea when I'll be back in Chicago so that's impossible to plan.
    JAX is about as close a game as I'll see on the east coast this year unless I go to the Giants preseason game...which is also tempting.

  • Wow. I am actually getting tweets threatening me about my last article.

    Must be doing something right!

  • How about a link, I'd like to read it....

  • In reply to tobijohn:

  • Artoo, please allow me to offer some objectivity on this piece.

    Goodell targeted the players he did because he could defend the charges against them. To include players like Brees he would have had to broaden his net to include a moral finding instead of a purely factual one. Goodell would have put the whole process of punishing the guilty culprits in jeopardy if he was perceived as heading up a witch hunt.

    Yes it is true, the financial aspect of football is the engine that powers the ship but interjecting the money angle as you have is an ineffective argument. This scandal occurred because of bad character within the Saints organization, pure and simple.

  • Yeah there were a few less than happy remarks after after I read that.

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    There are either Saints fans or just pissed off fans.

    Can any of you legal minded people tell me how come the Government has not gotten involved?

    Is it not illegal for me to pay you to beat up someone or hurt them? I really think if Goodell messes up with this Bounty situation, he could be a big ole mess. How many players were targeted and how come no of them have sued anyone yet?

  • One guy on twitter tweeted me this..

    Fukk the Eagles ‏ @theeaglessuck
    If I ever meet you in person I'm going to beat the FUCK out of you and make you cry like a little schoolgirl

    I looked at who he is following, and he is following Drew Brees. I can't believe at how many people get upset like this.

    Oh well.

  • Typical Saints fans. F-ck 'em. You can tell by his eloquent twitter name that he's an intellectual giant.

  • Super there are a lot of internet tough guys. Remember douchenasty? They will never meet you and if they do, they will probably be some pointdexter mother fucker that you could turn inside out.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Ha, thanks for the encouragement but I am not worried. In fact, it was probably MB trying to scare me.

  • R2:

    Here is the guy who tweeted you

  • Atta boy R2.

  • Quinton Coples was held out of 11-on-11 team drills because of what the Jets first-round pick says was "a coach's decision."

  • Rooks are required to bring three sets of high heeled shoes for coach to smell. Coples only brought one pair, his mother's old ones.

  • No offense Erik, but the article was kinda stupid.

    Put in on the Bears. The defense, led by Lack, has a betting pool run by Old Sauce on who they can hurt. Double payouts if you break a bone, and quadruple if you end a career. Nasty, evil shit. Old Sauce is running it, and screaming his head off. Lovie looks the other way. Maybe, it's found out, he even chips in a few bucks.

    Roger Roger finds out and brings the fucking hammer down. Wipes Old Sauce's ass with a subpoena and Lovie and Lack miss the season without pay.

    Your argument is that Cutler should get thrown out for the season, as well. After all, he's the leader and a captain on the team. He surely knew the D was paying for killshots. Nail him too!

    See the problem in that? Your argument is that it's about money. It is, but the Brees thing isn't. It's limiting the punishment to the D and the coaches. Brees has his own contract issues. Brees doesn't have a great deal of love from his comrades in the league, mainly because he tried to secretly negotiate a sweetheart deal for himself during the lockout and new CBA, whereby he was exempted from being tagged, but only him. Part of being a plaintiff on Brady v. NFL.

    Just kinda slimy look out for #1 shitbag stuff. So, if he fucking throws down about the killing fields program, what does he gain? He team mates are going to hold him down, tape him to the bench, and stuff a sock in his mouth, and tell him he better get Omerta PDQ, or the next thing they are going to stuff is his wife's behind. He would get the message. And then what? What's he gonna do? Whistleblow? Child, please. The retribution would come from every quarter.

    I went to a Broncos game once in Denver, against the Raidahs. I watched Romo the hate monger take Sharpe to the ground, hold his wrist down then roll onto his upper arm, pulling the arm out of the socket Jason Bourne style. Sharpe got up and walked to the sideline, his arm looked like a giant limp penis sticking out of his shoulder. Took him out for close to the rest of the season. The fans went apeshit. Sharpe never said a word. Didn't call him out in the press, didn't whine... nothing. Romo was marked from then on, though. Sharpe still hates his guts, but nobody was willing to break Omerta on that.

    Same goes with Brees. He doesn't have a fucking leg to stand on if he tries to take Gregg Williams on. Williams is an established coach with much more pecking order inside the league than Brees has. Williams is Ned Beatty in North Dallas Forty, chugging Mallox and screaming his head off about shit he could never do himself. A toady but a protected one.

    I think the whole article was naive and kinda silly. Sorry about that maing, just wanted to keep that in the Bears house here.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    It's fine. You could have said it on there and I would have replied back.

    I know it's naive. I am expecting a lot of players and people to do the right thing.

    Doing the right thing is not always easy. Sometimes you look like a fool or sometimes you lose friends but the right choice is never wrong.

    What is stopping any player that was targeted by the Saints from suing them?

    Legally is Brees not an accomplice because he didn't try to stop it or report it? Why can't I sue every player who was a part of that team for allowing or participating in it?

    Idk, I just don't understand how only two coaches and four players are the culprits behind a scheme bigger than I think we know.

  • For good or bad, I think Goodell is just trying to set an example. Not every Nazi who did something despicable made it to the Nuremberg trials (quite a few particularily vile ones lived long and comfortable lives in South America). I get the impression that the people who really got the boom lowered on them were the ones who dicked around the NFL investigators.

    As for players suing players, I'm not a lawyer but I think it would be pretty hard to prove in a court of law that anybody knew anything. And where would it stop? Gonna sue the waterboy because he heard that they were gunning for Favre and didn't call the commissioner's office? Also, I'm not sure how it could be proven that a particular injury was the result of a bounty payment or just happened in the natural course of a violent game? That's a really fine line....

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    I would first get the information from Goodell. He has the info on whether or not these players did any thing and Goodell hasn't really given that information yet.

    I think this is going to be a big storm of shit soon. Players will want their paychecks and players who were targeted will want money.

  • As to your question about the government getting involved...

    Generally I think you don't find a lot of criminal charges being filed when sports injuries occur. I'm not sure exactly why this is, probably something to do with government resources, probably something to do with the high standard of proof (beyond a reasonable doubt) and the defense that "it was all part of the game" (even when its not).

    I'm not sure that bounties in the NFL would be a crime per se given that you're allowed to hit a player, you're allowed to favor an injured limb when you do it, and if there is no bounty the hit is 100% legal. The problem with bounties is not that they're essentially pay for committing assault, the problem is that they break the NFL rules for contract terms.

    If I'm a state's attorney, I'm looking at the fiasco that is the congressional hearings about doping in the MLB and I'm staying away from this thing. Combine that with the fact that Goodell has probably effectively scared a lot of franchises straight, and I think you can stay out of court without any negative results.

  • Brees has no legal obligation to report or try to stop anything. "Team captain" does not mean "team police officer." Brees doesn't have an obligation to report a bounty program any more than he has an obligation to report if one of his teammates is using drugs, dating an underage girl or commiting any of a whole bunch of other crimes.

    And putting the onus on players to report bad behavior by teammates is a recipe for disaster. Football is a game that requires a lot of trust between team mates to prevent injuries from happening. What happens if Brees reports his left tackle for using steroids in the off-season? How can he feel safe on his blind side during a game? Who would know if the LT 'tripped' once or twice?

    And here its worse. You're talking about an offensive captain going against the D. On the '85 Bears the O and D famously didn't like each other. Brees might have no sway at all over those guys.

    We'd all like to think we'd take the risk to prevent injury to others if we were there. But making a rule requiring it is a bad decision.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Oh, and thanks for the advice. It is always welcomed, good or bad.

    I see what you are saying but imagine if this was college. This team would have the death penalty and who knows what else.

    The only reason Goodell would never do that in the NFL is because of money. Kinda sad but true.

  • Certainly, issuing a death sentence to the Saints for a whole year would be crazzzzzzy. Colleges and their ADs can absorb a hit to one program. A franchise like the Saints, who would lose shared tv pool dollars and ALL their gate keepings w. the owners of the Superdome, it would be a crushing financial blow that could end the franchise.

    I've always thought the league should visit some healthy contraction and eliminate the Bengals and the Jags, but probably not the way Goodell was thinking.

    The Saints thing is a touchy subject for the NFL. They really really needed that PR from how New Orleans was fucked and the Saints brought the city back, despite kind of how ridiculous a narrative it was, the NFL really benefited from it.

    To find out that team was dirty in a fundamental way like that, it stains the whole "WHO DAT" movement and everything, it's ugly. It's like finding out Coach Ditka and Buddy were in cahoots with Sam Hurd running drugs as a side gig. Would be a real bummer.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    What would have happened if someone had died from the bounties?

    I doubt we would have ever heard anything about it till years down the road.

    It is a touchy subject and I was waiting for you to say what you would do if you were Goodell and you had to deal the Saints..

  • I think there are two "death penalty" scenarios the NFL can hand down. We saw them get close to one in this case.

    1) Bad stuff happening, but owner not involved. The NFL fires everyone... staff, players, everyone, who was involved. The team limps through the season with whatever free agents it can cobble together, and then starts next year with what is likely the #1 draft pick. But the franchise plays, because there are revenue sharing responsibilities and the franchise needs the income to survive.

    2) Bad stuff happening, and ownership is involved. The NFL tells the owner: "you are no longer allowed to own an NFL football team." Owner must sell the team or be banned from the season. Owner loses leverage in making the sale, but sells to recover some investment. If owner refuses to sell, NFL has the right to open a new franchise in the city (basically competing). That scenario never happens because the owner will basically lose $1 billion by not selling. While the rush to sell lowers the price a bit, the competition to own an NFL franchise keeps bidding lively enough to bring a good price.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    And every other franchise would pay the penalty - that's why that will never happen. In college football, it's way easier to make up the hole in your schedule without putting a huge gap in the competitive balance, whereas with the NFL structure, the NFC South teams would effectively all pay the price for a death penalty on the Saints.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    And I agree wholeheartedly on the drawback on #1 - which is why forfeiture of draft picks makes more sense than even penalizing the head coach personally.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    If news would have leaked out that a player that died on the field was one of the players targeted by the Saints.

    What would happen? Would anything change?

  • That would make the District Attorney, as corrupt as that is in Louisiana, file charges against Greg Williams for criminal misconduct and 2nd degree murder.

    The NFL owners would convene and essentially vote no-confidence in the current owner of the NFL, and I believe if all the other owners vote against you, you are essentially forced to sell the franchise. That is what would happen.

    The player who issued the killshot may also be charged, probably charged, and of course dismissed from the NFL as Jack Tatum was.

  • Artoo, Really wish I coulda made that Nashville game with you. I love the city, I love the stadium and the food kicks ass. Grab a nice steak at the Stockyard Restaurant. warm pecan pie with ice cream and Gentleman jack over it...nothin better. Just dont want to get home from Vegas late Thursday and then fly out again Sat Morn. Nashville to Jacksonville is $100 each way on Southwest.....Maybe you want to come down there? Artoo tweeting from Jags game? Sounds good? Brownie too?

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    Sounds nice but the difference between Nashville and Jacksonville is the free bed in Nashville and the 30 to 40 dollar one in Jacksonville.

    I will think about it though.

  • I'll tell ya what Artoo, if thats the diff the room, Ill buy your game ticket, and a meal or two. Ill have to sit in the middle between you and my son, him on my right and you on my left so I have the good ears facin me when I talk. hehehe I know your in school and the $$ get tight so seriously if you can swing it Ill do that to make it a little more palatable.

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    I may be able to work a business trip into it - will see if we can work it out.
    Anybody else near Jacksonville?

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    If you go, possibly you and Artoo could split a room and keep his costs down. When I see tickets go on sale for single games I'll let you know, and whoever wants to go I'll try to get tix all together

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    Keep me posted. I'm watching airfares to see what's going on in October from here. Tobi sounds like he knows the area well too.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    The tickets are up on stubhub. Just let me know where we are sitting

  • Since the Jags usually don't sell out, I thought I would wait till single games go on sale. All the Stub Hub tickets are season ticket holders looking to unload. Im keeping an eye on it and trying to watch prices and deals.

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    Ah. Great idea.

  • Jeez, if Jeff isn't going to start a new thread until he returns from Ireland on the 19th, this thing is going to collapse on itself like some sort of black hole and suck in ChicagoNow and maybe even the Tribune if they're both hosted on the same server....

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    Yeah, I'm not sure what the record is but I have a feeling we're going to see some weird behavior out of the comment code before it's all said and done. And knowing us, it will all be said and done over the next two weeks several times over.

  • this is for
    Who Is Willie Gault
    a most
    passionate bulls fan
    Who Is
    The Tribune Photo Shop Hack
    that turned the injury to
    Jo Noah's ankle
    all sensational
    if i saw it correctly
    didn't he plant and take off
    on a philadelphia players foot
    but the players
    and his foot
    are missing from the photo

  • In reply to huntinbare:

    Yeah, HB. The ankle thing was gruesome when slowed down.

    I didn't see any sensational article, did the guy turn it into a bounty-type scenario?

  • Any of you going to the Bears vs Giants game? I've never been to an NFL game even though I live like 15 mins away from MetLife Stadium. I was never into football until highschool and then I was never a fan of the Jets nor Giants. But I'm a fan of the Giants getting whooped by Da Bears though.

  • T minus 43 comments. Strap in, lads.

  • I bet the attorney's filing these concussion lawsuits just tightened their ass muscles.

  • Marshall may have his issues but he has big stones for being so willing to discuss mental illness and therapy in public forums. That is a tough thing to do, especially given his career field:

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    We hear so much about a guy when he fucks up. Marshall comes off as a real stand up guy. It does take a lot of guts to discuss your personal demons out in the open for everyone else. Its a great read, some special insight from Marshall. I admired his ability to play the game, he has earned some of my admiration for being the man he seems to be.

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    I really hope he can continue to do good things on and off the football field.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I agree. All things considered, impressive and courageous...

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Yes, Marshall just took a couple steps up the ladder in my view of the world. Well done, Brandon.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    Marshall and Lance Briggs have had the two most intelligent things to say about the Junior Seau suicide thus far. Not saying I agree or disagree, just that I feel these are two guys who understand the situation and gave a well thought out opinion.

    Its great to be a Bears fan when these guys are on your team.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    Also Dan Hanzus of is an idiot. Don't know why he felt the need to make a snarky comment at the end of the article about Brigg's remarks, other than that I am sure he is an idiot. I will now ignore everything he writes going forward.

  • I started on this article awhile back and then someone on here had to start talking about. Fuckers.. Jk... Anyways here is how I see our starting lineup.

  • 1) Proof-read proof-read proof-read. Try taking the article once you think its finished and reading the entire thing out loud once or twice. If you stumble over a phrase or a punctuation mark, there's a good chance you've made an error. This isn't bad, but a couple of obvious ones do detract from enjoying the article.

    2) Not sure Pepp is the "Left DE" per se. Traditionally he switches sides throughout the game depending on where he's getting more pressure. I think Shea will give the Bears the ability to do more of that since he's such a versatiel rusher.

    3) You only list 5 recievers. As discussed here, there will likely be six. Unless you're counting Knox as #6.

    4) You list 6 corners. Do we usually keep that many on the roster?

    5) No love for special teams? Who gets the return jobs is probably worth an article by itself.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    Thanks for the advice.

    Peppers does move around a lot but he is the best pass rusher right now that could go against the best left tackles and win.

    I pick the players I knew for sure would be starting at that position. I have no clue who could our starting 6th receiver. There a list of names and I couldn't pick one.

    Last year we had six corners on the team not including Major Wright, Chris Conte, Brandon Meriweather, and Craig Steltz. Thus, I picked four corners who should start if each one was out on the field and the nickel corner.

    I really did not want to write about special teams because as you stated. It is probably and article all by itself. I mean, does the Hester Package mean that we will see him more on offense and Weems returning kicks/punts?

    It really is a big article all by itself and I would need more information and I kind of wanted to wait till OTA's started to talk about it. I really think it will be split down the middle.

  • And why does everyone always forget about Blake Costanzo. I expect him to be the 6th linebacker but make his money on special teams.

  • Posse, What airport you fly out of?

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    Closest is Newport News-Williamsburg, then Norfolk, and sometimes Richmond when the price is low enough (it's about 50 minutes away).
    Round trip for me right now to Jacksonville is around $260, I think.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I'll keep a look out too. Sometimes I stumble onto cheap ones. Cheap air fares are coming fewer and fewer. We used to fly to Long Island from Chicago for under $100 round trip just a few years ago. Now close to $350. I paid about the same to Jax as your are talkin. I think I got it at $280

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    Keep an eye out for the Nashville Airport to Jacksonville because a train ride is outrageous. 277 dollars there and back.

    I have to stay awake the whole time because I will have to switch trains and go literally half way around the U.S. to get to Jacksonville, FL.

  • I might go ahead and buy my plane tickets now.. 214 round trip.

    How is it the train ride cost more? Ridiculous.

  • Lot of time the plane is less than train. I have a stop in Nashville and then on to Jax. Ill be on that flight leaving Nashville at 9:05 on the 6th
    Come home on the 9th leaving Jax at 6:35 I already have a car rented so its a freebie from the airport to where ever you stay

  • Here you go GP, Briggs sums up my point of view pretty well when it comes to the violence of the sport. An honest football player will tell you, they know about the consequences.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    I agree Trac, I dont understand how they all want to sue the NFL, the equipment manufacturers. They all had the option of opting out and not playing the sport. I have not seen one guy opt not to enter the NFL because its too dangerous. Lot of us worked dangerous jobs, knew the risks, yet continued on in the job. I guess its human nature to always blame someone else and not take responsibility for our own actions.

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    I dunno, Murph. My scarcely-considered opinion is that most of it can be blamed on the "innovation" of the class-action lawsuit.

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    I have not seen one guy opt not to enter the NFL because its too dangerous.

    I have not seen a black hole, but I believe they exist.

    Athletes who make decisions to forgo football as a career don't tweet that decision to the world, generally. They just don't play football.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    I don't know that identifying with Lance Briggs opinions about anything puts you in a good light. Except maybe comic books. That's a field I would trust his opinion on. Not how to run a football league.

    His point is backing up a fellow linebacker. You can't find tape of Vilma cheap shotting a player. There is nothing that is even equivalent of when VIP on the Swole tried to kill Shockey on the field. (You can look that cheap shot up on Youtube. Just type Meriweather Shockey).

    So, if Vilma ain't on tape shooting some guys knees, why is he banned for a year? I mean, come on fuckers, this is a man's game, for manly men doing violent things. That is the code of the Lion! Says the man who ditched his Lambo so he wouldn't get racked for his breath level. If you didn't see it, it didn't happen!

    Vilma was a ring leader and accepted money in the pay-to-hurt program. Briggs own team mate, Carimi, probably got his career ended by a Saint who probably got paid for doing so.

    Seems like Briggs is more loyal to the code of linebackers and his own skin, then he is to his team mates. None of the players want to look weak on this publically.

    So, go ahead and side with Briggs and the street code. I prefer the rule of law that says if you accept coin for the express purpose of knocking another player out, you debase the game and the concept of sport itself, and we're all really trying not be the motherfucking Roman Empire here people, and this isn't helping.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Look around GP, those rather tall things all around you are the tree's in the forest you're standing in. The players know it's a violent game.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    You know this bad boy is coming:

  • All right. Before I get destroyed... just let me see if I have any fans in this departement.

    Does any here like instrumental and classical type music?

    Ex. James Horner, Hans Zimmer, John Williams, Ennio Morricone, Ludovico Einaudi.Thomas Newman..


  • Abso friggin lutely Artoo. Bring it on.

  • I like some of it Artoo. Not such a fan where I know who performed it or wrote it, but like to listen to it on occasion. Especially when Im really agitated about something, it usuaully has a calming effect. Why ya think youll get destroyed? By the other bloggers on here? Ya think so?............yeah you're probably right. hehe

  • I have the CDs for just about every movie score Thomas Newman wrote (btw, he's Randy Newman's cousin), and stuff from Horner and Zimmer as well. I certainly am familiar with John Williams but will have to check the others out. A lot of their work could be considered contemporary Classical. I'd say 80% of my listening time is devoted to classical. About the only time I've got the hard rock stuff cranked is when I'm out in the Vette (I've got a 96 LT4, if you're into Corvettes)...

  • Here's a couple pretty piecces for you. One very old and one just sort of old (the second piece is based on an old fiddle standard):

  • I'm a classical fan, but what you are describing isn't "classical" its "orchestral." You enjoy orchestral music, which I do as well.

    But if I'm listening to classical, its more likely Bethoven rather than James Horner (not that I dislike Horner's stuff). I'm not a big enough fan to be able to tell you which recording of which orchestra playing Bethoven's 5th is my favorite though. I've got friends who are on that level and I don't do enough listening to be conversant.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    Try this:

    On Schubert -
    "Such is the spell of of your emotional world that it very nearly blinds us to the greatness of your craftsmanship. -- Franz Liszt"

    Franz Schubert is perhaps the most underrated composers ever. While I've seen much documentation of Schubert's fawnish adulation of Beethoven - he should never have felt that way. Being the superior composer and all...

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    The more serious listening I do, the more I have to agree with you on Schubert. The guy was apparently a party animal and only lived to 31.

    On another note, perhaps it's just my personal taste but I haven't heard a piece by Rossini I didn't like either....

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    Nothing wrong with Rossini.

    As you continue your exploration, I recommend Chanticleer. And if anyone can find a better vocal ensemble anywhere, I'll definitely owe you one.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    I'm already there, Dave. Got both them and Lionheart in my collection....

  • Morricone's fkn legendary. Williams too. Hans Zimmer - loved the Gladiator soundtrack, but he must be doing every major motion picture soundtrack now, it's overkill.

    I still have to break into the world of Brian Eno yet. Any Eno fans on here? Can they recommend some stuff?

    Strauss' Blue Danube Waltz turned up to 11, Beethoven's Moonlight Sonata and Mascagni's intermezzo from Caveleria Rusticana to get the hairs standing up. Okay that's opera. So while we're at it, Sumi Jo singing Caccini's Ave Maria & Lakme's Flower Duet.

    There you go Artoo ... we're all gay together. I like show tunes and think Barry Manilow wrote three lovely songs.

    In the words of Jim Carrey : "I'M A FAAAAAG!"

  • I know most probably did not know Zimmer did the Lion King soundtrack. That kinda started it all for me.

    The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly ending gun fight still gives me goosebumps.

  • Think he did Pirates of the Carribean too.

  • Morricone did a score to the film "Duck, You Sucker" which is INCREDIBLE.

    I had to hunt it down on vinyl... and the baby sounds so so nice.

    Had intentions of sampling it into a few beats, then I moved to Omaha and left my music developing behind.

    If any of you have a chance to catch the movie, I highly recommend it. An ex IRA (I think) bomb-maker-guy helps some Mexican bank robbers. Fish out of water spaghetti western. Quite enjoyable, though very long. Did I mention an excellent soundtrack?

  • I'm a fan of soulful, inspiring tracks that make you think and admire the art of spoken word in conjunction with great, dope,beats. Thus, I like REAL Hip Hop but not the cookie-cut crap that's on the radio though. Any-who, I've only heard of Zimmer, Im a fan of anything that moves you and Zimmer's music was tuff........

  • How can you not call this classical? Mmmm, mighty fine. Yes Sir.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    I have never heard this before. It's pretty good.

    Skip like ten seconds.

  • That's good Artoo. I've heard some awesome violinist's, just can't ever remember how to spell their names.

  • Not particularly skilled, actually. But very tasteful, which often matters very much more.

  • Chester's a beautiful little town.

  • And you thought you'd get destroyed. New Bear didnt surprise me, I would peg him for a classical guy. He straightened us out on classical and orchestral. I gotta say, New Bear knows his shit!

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    I was a music minor in college (though I didn't finish the minor before graduation... didn't take a foreign language class). I played percussion in pretty much every context. My best stuff was as a vibraphonist with the jazz ensemble.

    My wife isn't a big music fan, and we try to keep mainly Jewish music in the house because its good education for the kids (all the Jews on here... Uncle Moishy Sings the Holidays is good stuff for a 5 year old) so I listen a lot less now than when I was in college. Plus concerts are expensive and time consuming.

    But I still listen when I can. I'd say my tastes are probably about 30% jazz, 15% "classical" (referring to anything orchestral really), 30% rock, 25% everything else (and I mean everything). There's some good Jewish music out there for adults as well, but a lot of the recording is very amateurish.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    I have more Klezmer CDs than any other Iranian/Irish/Dutch/German Catholic guys I know. Hmm, that would be my two brothers. Yup, I've got more....

  • #600!

    Let blog breaking commence!

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:


    The Gnomes have left the pad. Repeat, the Gnomes have left the pad.

  • New Bear, is only music written by the old masters able to be classified as "classical', or can music written in modern times also be classified as classical?

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    "Classical" officially refers to a time period in art history. So the short answer is yes, only old masters are "classical." When I played in college, modern stuff was usually called "art music" (which refers to the intended audience) or "orchestral music" (which refers to the instrumentation). I think "orchestral music" is probably the correct term given the conversation people are having right now.

    According to wikipedia, "classical music" as refering to modern stuff is a coloquialism.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    Thanks are THE man! And on top of this shit, ya know your football too! When things get boring maybe we will start a game, "Stump New Bear"....Thanks again New

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    Just ask anything about history, or any sport other than football... two of my worst subjects. But this blog is full of guys who know a heck of a lot more than I do, especially the discussions about tax law - some genuinely well read guys post here. Which is why its so much fun hanging out here.

    But I'll take the ego stroking any day ;)

  • Love classical... ony into the classics, none of this new age shit. They don't make 'em like they used to.

    Even though I can't stand coldplay, and this is a little geeeee, the thought was really nice:

  • Bills 2pm press conference will be to announce a multi-year extension for RB Fred Jackson, who was having an MVP-type '11 before injury

  • Anyone go see The Avengers?

    I've been catching up on my superhero movies over the last week... Watched the Greg Olsen documentary, Thor, which was surprisingly better than expected... Then Capt. America, which was surprisingly exactly as bad as I expected.

    I have The Incredible Hulk left to catch, and then on to the IMAX 3D.

    By the way, The Cabin in the Woods was freaking awesome. If you likes the horror, checks the movie.

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    I have heard it was decent and good.

    I havne't heard anything bad about it.

    The movie shatter some records but I am sure the batman movie coming out this summer will shatter whatever the Avengers set.

  • Is it me or is Michael Crabtree a bust?


  • Not just you. In point of fact, Michael Crabtree is an NFL Bust. I believe the NFC Title game officially conferred that status upon him when he vanished like Houdini.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    The fact they drafted one in the first round and picked up two receivers means he is going to be cut soon.

  • Thanks for looking at my articles guys.

    The last one reached a 1000 in day.

    Thanks again.

  • R2,

    Our goal is to make you bigger than Paris Hilton. Minus the whole sex tape leak thing, you can forgo that part.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    please god yes.... unless it's with paris hilton again. It would be an interesting juxtaposition to her earlier work.

    (not that I want to see your dick Erik.... no offense)

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I wouldn't want to make you jealous.

    (Not that I would want to make jealous.. no offense)

  • Eirk, I have a humongous, bulbous penis.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

  • In reply to gpldan:

    my god... I never noticed the assless chaps and the overtly gay 'overtones'. Holy cow.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    There is Mad Max gay, and then there is Saturday Night Fever gay.

  • Hey willie... you know the group 'people under the stairs'?

    Check em out if not.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Yeah, I used to listen to them a ton...

    "Acid Raindrops" was my jam!

    Also dug me some "San Francisco Knights".

    They have a cool old-school vibe - easy-going beats and simple rhyme schemes. They have released a few more albums since I last checked 'em...

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    look at you... quite the fucking hip... hopster. (see how I did that)

  • Oh it's ooooooowwwwwnnnnnn!

    As soon as I make it big, I AM getting this:

  • my condolences johnny:

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    thanks MB, i don't know how I made it through the day.

    This helped:

  • I wanted that guys life at one time.


  • interesting.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    His routes can rock, but he's gotta catch the damn ball.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Oh, mofo can catch.

    Not... you know.... all the time, but he can catch aight:

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    and homie don't play that shit... punk ass bitches:

  • From the internets:

    Borderline personality disorder is a condition in which people have long-term patterns of unstable or turbulent emotions, such as feelings about themselves and others.

    Would this be considered a turbulent emotion?

    Things like this show me that he's either, a) a fantastic teammate, or b) bat shit crazy.

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    Oops, meant to reply to RDeuce.

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    That is a great point but we will be playing that game all day if we think like that.

  • Alex Brown signed with someone....One of my competitors in the logistics industry. He must have made a few bad investments. I have his intro email that all new employees send out to the office when they first start. Crazy. If anyone wants to see it, i'll forward it on.

  • get the fuck out... new, straight and narrow, normal like the rest of us boring fucks... coach. Get the fuck out.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    it's better than him living like he's still making 3 mil a year and the cash runs out and he's a broke ass baller. This way he gets to be set up financially without running through his cash stockpile. he's only 32 and he knows that he is now Alex Brown, talk dark logistics machine. Most guys can't let the image go and that is why they are all broke.

  • Dude, it's all good. He knows his career is over and you can't just stop working. He's 2 years younger than I am. If he starts working now and has some cash in the bank from playing ball he is going to have a fucking fun ass life.

  • It's crazy. Something tells me he'll do good on sales call around Chicago. Whats your email? I'll forward it to you.

  • drumdood at hotmail (old address, but one I don't mind posting on a public forum).

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    drum dood.... do tell NB, do tell.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    ummm... played drums in high school? Didn't know the right way to spell dude? I got this back when hotmail was just starting to become popular (pre-google, pre-facebook, pre-friendster, even pre-AIM).

  • THis is for Jeff and the other soccer fans:


  • In reply to MB30SD:

    His accuracy is uncanny.

  • Hey Shady....

    Did I do thaaaaaaaat?

  • Did I get this to you doc?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    and this:

  • In reply to MB30SD:


  • In reply to gpldan:


  • I was ruminating today on the gamut of topics we've covered over the past couple days. The thoughtful and insightful comments have run the gamut from camel toes to classical music. Either this has to be the most eclectic fan site on the web or we are getting desperate beyond belief for some Bears news...

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    A little of both I think. This really is a cool blog, and it's because of the people here.

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    If you think about it...

    The first reason we get on here is to talk about the Bears.

    The second reason we get on here is to see what crazy shit someone is going to say.

    It is the circle of life here..

  • Not saying anyone on here talks about crazy stuff or out of the ordinary.

    We are all sane individuals.

  • I'm not.

  • you think we talk about trippy shit ????

    don't read the article. read the comments. holy shit.

  • awesome.... just fucking awesome.

    I wish I was smart enough to be a scientist. I LOVE that shit, just not smart enough to really get into it. And you have to be really good at the maths to be a scientist.

    Oh well, I guess the world needs ditch diggers too.

  • Mn House of Reps passes Vike stadium vote 73-58. Now it's up to Senate, which votes Tues. Both have to vote yes for stadium to pass

  • 1 blog article in a week Jeff? Are we turning into

    Don't be lazy like Dickerson and Wright. Dig mang, dig. Artoo is holding this place up.

  • I've already presented exhibit A(Lance Briggs comments), ladies and gentle men of the jury, I present exhibit B.

    They just can't walk away from the money. Just like it will be after they retire and blow their cash on bad investments. Will he claim black lung too GP? He he.

  • Forced Motorboating... HAhahahaha:

  • Oh dear.,0,6970625.column

    From the comments below it - can this be right?

    Cutler: 27 reps of 225; Wonderlic score: 34
    Rodgers: 2 reps of 225; Wonderlic score: 18

    2 fkn reps ??

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