With Bounty Punishment, NFL Has its Pete Rose Moment

With Bounty Punishment, NFL Has its Pete Rose Moment

"Alright, gentlemen, here's the deal. If you sack the quarterback on Sunday you get $500. If the quarterback lays on the ground for more than three seconds you get $1000. If the quarterback is carted off the field you get $2,378 in TJ Maxx gift certificates. If the quarterback is pronounced dead in the locker room, I will take out a low interest mortgage on a summer cottage for you in either southern France or Northern Ireland. If the quarterback's wife dies from a broken heart within three months of his passing I will finance a feature film based upon your life and experiences to be directed by Francis Ford Coppola."

Defensive coordinator Gregg Williams provided incentives to players for not only big hits and big plays but also for injuring opponents. The response from the football world have been split, almost down the middle. The middle-aged white guy sports writer (Peter King being their patron saint) and NFL hierarchy on Park Avenue  (led by Colonel Goodell) were appalled by this practice. They responded with scores of "string-him-up" newspaper columns and several of the harshest suspensions ever doled out in professional football. The players-turned-analysts littering the productions sets of Bristol and Los Angeles  deplored the act of injuring other competitors purposely but did so with a "this goes on more than you know" wink to the camera. Apparently it goes on more than we fans know but not a single analyst admitted to taking part. Hmmm...

What the Saints did was wrong. We all know it was wrong. We all know bounties should not take place in an already dangerous game. A game that leads to Earl Campbell being unable to walk to the bathroom and Dave Duerson's brain ultimately ending his life. And you don't need me to jump atop my high moral steed to tell you that the NFL would be a far better place without situations like the terribly named "bountygate". Just imagine if one of these bounty scenarios resulted in the paralysis of a player. The NFL, the Saints and Gregg Williams would not only be mired in a sport controversy. They would be shamed before Congress in front of the whole nation. They would face significant prison time.

The controversy hit a ludicrous level when Warren Sapp leaked publicly that Jeremy Shockey had blown the whistle on the bounty program. Shockey defended himself, threatening Sapp with a defamation lawsuit. That response, in typical Shockey form, was idiotic and misguided. He acted like being accused of dime dropping on this heinous practice was downright McCarthy-esque. What should he have said?

"No I did not report the details of the Saints bounty program to the NFL. I have far too much respect for my coaches and fellow teammates to go behind their backs and risk their careers and reputations. But do not take that to mean I condone their behavior. Setting out to intentionally injure a player is inexcusable in our game and should be punished to the fullest extent of the NFL's ability. Each Sunday we put ourselves at risk simply by tightening the chin strap. Providing a cash prize for attempting to destroy the livelihood of a fellow player is tantamount to criminal behavior."

Ask yourself this. How much would your perception of Shockey changed with a statement like this? How celebrated would he have become as the human face of this inhumane scandal?

Thursday morning, the day Sean Payton and Mickey Loomis were set to have their appeals heard by the commissioner, came with Mike Silver reporting/releasing game day audio capturing Gregg Williams encouraging his players to go for the heads of opponents. While on the pile. After the play is over. Ross Tucker responded not uncommonly on Twitter:

Unless you've been in the NFL you have no context/frame of reference for the Gregg Williams audio.

Sigh. Here it comes again. Until Dan Graziano of ESPN Tweeted the following:

People -- esp those who played -- are saying the Gregg Williams audio isn't unusual. I think the point is, it needs to be.

Bingo. That is the issue of these bounties in a nutshell. No one is arguing this was not a common practice around the NFL. No one is arguing this has not taken place in the league since before many of us were born. The point is it needs to stop. Now. And if Roger Goodell has to end Gregg Williams' career to save one, just one, player from meeting Duerson's fate...so be it. If Roger Goodell has to end Gregg Williams' career to extend the career of Kyle Williams or Aaron Rodgers or even Brett Favre...so be it.

A cop walks into a bad neighborhood of Newark, NJ. The city I grew up next to. The city my hometown always considered our older, wayward brother. Cops walks into that neighborhood and sees a gun crime. It's not unusual, he knows that, but it's the first one he's literally seen. Does he ignore it because it's common? No. Of course not. He comes down as hard as possible on the individual committing that crime in hopes it will (1) send a message to others participating in the illegal activity and (2) prevent that particular individual from ever doing damage. That is why Goodell's response is so apt. With this punishment the NFL has had its Pete Rose moment. And when you talk to baseball players one thing becomes abundantly clear. They'll do a lot of things wrong before they even consider betting on baseball.

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  • First poster to call for a lifetime ban for Williams from coaching.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    After that recording, his NFL career is history.

  • Holy shit.

  • BRAV-FUCKING-O!!!!
    could not be said any better...

  • Hey guys..I won tickets to the draft party this year!! Pretty cool I thought.

    I also would like to tell you to say goodbye to Okoeye unless he changes his mind.

  • It depends on the kind of beer.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    Get it? Draft beer party. Yuk yuk yuk.

  • I listened to the tape. The ONLY single item that made me cringe was the ACL comment.

    The rest is pretty much normal in football… and I’ve heard basically that same speech a hundred times. I get the money gesture is fucked up, but the rest (minus the ACL comment) didn’t shock me at all.

  • Crazy shit. And while I consider myself a fan of tough-guy Butkus-Lambert-LT-Ray Lewis football, even I think this shit is WAY over the line. It's conspiracy to injure an opponent for life. Criminal.

  • pussy

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I am what I eat.

  • BAAAHAHAHAHAHAH...

    ...dick.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    No no no no. I am what I eat. Not what your wife's mom eats.

    Sorry. Didn't want to talk trash about your mom.

  • Hey Erik, $, NB... what do you guys think about Banks' picks?
    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/don_banks/04/04/nfl.mock.draft.4/index.html?xid=cnnbin

    How do you guys feel about Martin?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    That buffoon has:

    * Dre K
    * Floyd
    * Hightower
    * S. Hill
    * Robinson (CB)
    * S.Gilmore (CB)

    Still available AFTER our pick. Thoughts?

    (on a side note, how the hell can I even begin to argue with taking a LT in the first? Correct, I can't. I just don't know enough about the guy. Would he be big vaue at the spot?)

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    MB..even though banks is a "TOOL"...this makes sense for me....

    OLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

    oh btw..."O" FUCKING "L"

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    you KNOW I'm down with OL first Lobo... but are we reaching for him at #19? Especially since coples and mercilus are gone by our pick in his mock.

    It's also seemed like $ and NB thought so.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    DB's mock is so radical compared to others I have seen..but if you read post further down Okoye is gone so.......we go D!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    At #9, analysts are thinking Poe's stock will slide (and Cox's might rise). Plus, I can see Carolina doing something to build on Can Newton's success last year (Floyd? Reiff? DeCastro?)

    At #13, I just don't see two guards going in the top 15. Cordy Glenn should still be around for us if we wanted him.

    At #16, I have no idea what the Jets will do. They're obviously Defense minded, but they need to build a new offense with rookie stars. I could see them taking Floyd if he's still around.

    At #17, DeCastro should go before Glenn. I know Banks calls him a tackle, but Glenn is really a standout Guard prospect. Plus, I can't see Glenn go before Martin at tackle?

    Also don't see three cornerbacks going in 20-24, but stuff like that does happen. And I don't think we should draft a corner in round 1 either, though I was a fan of that strategy earlier in the summer.

    Agree with the comment at #22. If the Browns get Floyd and Richardson in the first round, Colt McCoy will start looking a lot better.

    As to the Bears taking Martin at #19. As Emery has said, you have to trust your scouts. If they believe Martin is a true answer at LT, then take him. If not, I would hope we look at either Floyd, Banks, Hightower, or one of the D-linemen all still available in this iteration of the draft.

  • Hang 'em high.

    I am sick to death of hearing players, former and current, rationalizing this culture with lame excuses along these lines:

    "Well, sure, I wanted to knock him out of the game, but I didn't want to INJURE him."

    Like there is some line between the 2 concepts.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Al.. well spoken!!!

  • This guy is a fucking ninja after his day job: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWsFNORwDnU

    This is not only insanely cool (yes, I am an admitted gadget whore), it's also insanely scary. Brian implants are next. Jesus: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9c6W4CCU9M4&feature=player_embedded#!

  • well R2...

    http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/GM-says-Okoye-not-likely-to-return-to-Bears.html

    SHEITE!!!!!

    wish him well..wish he would stay a BEAR though.

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    this also shows our hand for the draft

    D.D.D.D.D.D.D.D.D.D.D.D.D.D.D.D.D.D.D.D.D.D.D

    yeah think?

  • http://espn.go.com/chicago/nfl/story/_/id/7777544/chicago-bears-gm-ot-gabe-carimi-track-camp-johnny-knox-out

  • you mama!!! lol

  • oops.

  • what the hell just happened...Did ChicagoNow just sheite! the bed again?

  • Excellent piece Jefe, good work. Football is indeed a rough enough game without running into a guy well after he has become un-hittable just to injure him. Too long this has been allowed as "part of the game", resulting.at most in a flag. Charles Martin's assault of Jimbo was not "part of the game" and remains for me the iconic dark-side image of football.

    No, Greg Williams was not the first, but let an example be made of him - let the punishment be so great that he may be the last.

  • Hey MB, I like Martin's potential but he seems to get beat by fast guys off the line.

    Doesn't seem strong at the line. Doesn't seem to push people away. If he was not as good at his technique, he would be bullied every play.

    One on one he is okay but to be honest he would be a little bit of a upgrade at LT.

    I don't think he is worth a 1st but could be a great second round steal.

  • yeah, oops is right. God damn it doc!!! You need to get online tonight at take what's coming to you for breaking the blog.

    Thanks for being sensative and talking about my wife's mom... who's a whore (ok, just kidding, but felt good to say it).

  • Doc crept back into the three bears' house to clean up the porridge he'd spilt whilst shagging Goldilocks as she slept ... but try as he might ... he made the mess even worse .... and before long, with his trigonometric tricks and differential dizziness from all the magic weed he'd smoked .... there was porridge everywhere ... and the bloody blog was broken forever.

  • Amen.

  • hmmmm... doesn't sound very promesing erik. So, if you were emery... who would you pick at 19 (in the context of Banks mock)?

  • In Banks mock, I take f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-floyd

  • thanks for the analysis NB. You've really gotten into it this year. Well done.

  • Oy. It's fucked.

  • Nice Irish. Spot on. So sorry guys.

  • BradBiggs With Amobi Okoye likely gone (and Anthony Adams released) #Bears need to replace 873 snaps at def tackle.

    Ouch.

  • we're DEF going DE @ #19 I guess. Fucken a man... wanted OL, DB, DE in that order.

    Oh well, have to trust Emery... at least for the next couple years until his plan starts to pan out. I really really hope it's more Ted thompson than Jerry Angelo.

  • MB, Dont'a Hightower, because he is a solid player and a great athlete.

    The guy said he would be a great heir for Lewis. If that is the case, I would want to see him as a Bear.

    I do agree with what he says about Mark Barron but he is gone.

    Dont'a is a safe pick and can challenge Roach for a spot on the roster.

    Nb is solid about some stuff. The one thing I would like to add to that is this...

    A lot of teams have extra first round picks, thus, a lot will be trying to get picks for next year and they hope someone will be suckered in to moving up and give up picks.

    Don't do it Emery.

  • Ohh one more thing, the Browns would be geniuses if they make the Dolphins trade up a lot of Tannehill. They would be set for awhile and could pick a lot of key players or...

    Do what everyone will be doing next year. Trying to get Matt Barkley.

  • I gotta call BS on the Hightower shit.

    The guy is 6-4, 267. That's Bubba Smith's Hightower from Police Academy peoplez.

    No way is he playing strong side in a 4-3 well. He's a MLB. I'd like to see Lack move to strong side, he'd be better there but no way will he move or put the effort in to adjust, he's made good coin playing center mid fielder.

    If you take Hightower, you groom him for MLB

  • agree with you GP... but I have to believe we'll go DE if one that emery deems a good value at 19 is still there.

  • btw... jesus, 6'4" 270, 4.68 40... at MLB. That used to be olinemen size with safety speed just 10 years ago.

    Scary freaks of nature these days. Sheesh.

  • Well, this is the slow time for NFL, so here’s an updated mock draft post free agency.

    Post FA Butch Mock Draft part 1 (as of 4-5-11)

    1. QB Andrew Luck . Colts. Still No brainer.

    2. QB RGIII. Redskins (through trade with Rams).

    Redskins outbid others. Having Rex as a QB will do that to a team.

    3. LT Matt Kalil. Vikings.

    Besides franchise QB, franchise LT is most coveted position. Kalil is the most highly graded LT since perhaps Joe Thomas.

    4. HB Trent Richardson Browns. [Prev pk. WR Justin Blackmon].

    Post FA. They didn’t pick up Bush or any RB like I conjectured. The Browns realize McCoy sucks, and what do all teams with a mediocre QB do? Overpay and over reach for a HB.

    5. CB Morris Claiborne. Bucs.

    They really would prefer a dlinemen, but none grade this high. [Post FA. Same even though they picked up CB Wright, Claiborne still BPA. Also, purchased Vjax, so no Blackmon here]

    6. WR BlackmonRams (through trade with Redskins) [Prev pk OT Jonathan Martin].
    Rams still have worst Oline, but Bradford can’t be stuck with Cutler-ish talent around him forever.

    7. WR Michael Floyd. Jags

    Wouldn’t be the first time the Jags reach for a need. Floyd makes Gabbert bad instead of horrible.
    [PFA. They signed both DE Mincey and WR Laruent Robinson, but need O more.]

    8. QB Ryan Tannehill. Dolphins. [Prev pk T Riley Reiff]

    Post FA. No Manning, No Flynn - roh roh. Reach for QB Tannenhill then lie to the world and insist he was their man all along.

    9. DT Michael Brockers. Panthers

    Cam can’t score 40 every week, can he? He’s bigger than Cox, and Panthers need that.

    10. OT Riley Reiff Bills. [Prev pk HB Trent Richardson]

    Would you trust an inj prone mediocre 7th rounder to protect your franchise qb? Oh, wait…Bell was released knowing a cheaper upgrade can be had in the draft. I’m envious…

    11. G. David DeCastro. Chiefs.

    Chiefs want to run, then run it some more. DeCastro is a 10 year starter day one.

    12. OLB Courtney Upshaw. Seahawks.

    They need a pass rusher. Upshaw has been compared to Harrison. There you go.

    13. OT Jonathan Martin. Cards [Prev pk DT Dontari Poe]

    Post FA. They DIDN’T lose Campbell. Even though they signed G/OT Snyder in FA, they still need to rebuild Oline. Teams always reach for Qb, DE and LT. This is the latter.

    14. S Mark Barron Cowboys. [Prev pk CB Jenoris Jenkins]

    Post FA. Jerry got CB Carr for a cool $50M Now Ryan wants an enforcer back there.

    15. DT Fletcher Cox Eagles. [Prev pk DE Quinton Coples]

    This is the spot that can affect Bears the most. They have Coples, Kuechly and Cox on the board (they just signed LT Bell). They go with Cox because Reid, like Lovie, has a hard on for DTs. Also, they got DeMeco Ryans while Coples still has “effort” knocks on him.

    16. Don’t’a HightowerJets. [Prev pk WR Kendall Wright]

    They do need a playmaker, but Wright might be a little too high here. So, they go with a semi-shocker in Hightower. Hightower ran an NFL type D with a lot of the same schemes the Jets run. Bart Scott is on the trading block. Also, Hightower brings something to the Jets they desperately need. Leadership.

  • I for one don't care about the bounty bullshit. One of a players mindset should be to hurt the other players. This just shows how weak the nfl is nowadays, that a coach or team has to cough out more money to get players to do what old school football was in a way about. Players should already be trying to fuck each other up with out the bounty in place. Some say try are against but when they see a player hitting dirty, and playing rough they say " yea now that's what real football is about". Time has changed I guess and ppl and players are pussies. I think it's just sad that a team has to fork out extra cash to get their players to go the extra mile

  • MB, Lack is 6-4, 268 as well and ran 4.59 at his combine. His stats have him at 258. He's not 258. He's 268.

    Hightower is a straight up Lack replacement.

  • My two cents. I'm typing from my phone so I'm sorry for the fucked up grammar. And I bet my life that the saints are not the first team to use this strategy. We see probably in every sport. I like hard hiring dirty football. Where teams hate each other and just wanna kill each other. But that football is long gone. So now we are stuck with this bullshit.

  • Trac,

    Long forgotten my friend. Long forgotten. But thanks.

  • Now that I read my post, they sound pretty fucked up and inconsiderate. But hey that's what I like to watch and see.

  • @MB30, players at that size and speed make you wonder how we don't have MORE concussions nowadays...technology can't be more than just barely keeping steady with player performance.

  • If we just cover all the players in about 10 layers of bubble wrap, a lot of this gets solved. No concussions, because nobody can see anybody else or hit them hard enough to hurt.

    Oh fuck it, isn't it time for robot football anyway? Those robots in Real Steel look they could do the job. Wait, that was CGI? Never mind.

  • Well, there goes the tech idea I was going to run by MB30's VC contacts...
    Thanks, gpl.

  • Butch Post FA Mock Draft pt 2

    17. LB Luke Keuchly Bengals. [Prev pk DT Devon Still]

    Would love to have drafted Richardson here, but they go with the best graded available and continue to build. Keuchly is too much value to pass up.

    18. OLB/DE Whitney Mercilus Chargers. [Prev pk G Cordy Glenn]

    Diehlmen is still gone, but my gut tells me they love Mercilus. Last year they surprised everyone by drafting Liuget . They try another Illinois d-stud.

    19. Quinton Coples Bears. [Prev pk DE Whitney Mercilus]

    On paper, this makes perfect sense. A 6’6 285 Tarheel to bookend another. However, Coples didn’t fall this far randomly. It’s going to be up to Marinelli to make Coples more than a paper monster. Wasn’t Pepp labled with “lazy” once upon a time? Let’s hope in 3 yrs we forget why Coples fell.

    20. CB. Dre Kirkpatrick. Titans.

    Exit Finnegan, enter Dre.

    21. DE Melvin Ingram. Bengals.

    What they would really like is a WR, but none are worthy here. They couple Ingram with Kuechly and instantly create a young core.

    22. WR. Stephen Hill. Browns.

    There’s always a little Al Davis in everyone, and the Browns cannot resist temptation. 6’4 215 4.36 40 stud. Suddenly they’re dangerous with Trent at HB and Hill at WR. Now they just need to go 1-15 then draft Barkley next year and they’re set.

    23. CB Steven Gilmore. Lions

    Tulloch re-signed like I predicted, and they skipped on CB last year ,learning their lesson. CB Kirkpatrick and CB Jenkins are on the board, but they have had weed incidents, and the Lions are not trying to recreate “Reefer Madness”. Gilmore is the clean choice, so to speak.

    24. OG/OT Gordy Glenn Steelers. [Prev pk LB Dont’a Hightower]

    This guy is a mammoth 6’7 345 bulldozer who played OT. He can help keep Roth from playing on one leg.

    25. Kendall Wright Broncos. [Prev pk OT Mike Adams]

    CB Kirkpatrick and CB Jenkins are still sitting awkwardly at Radio City Hall. Broncos mull over Champ Bailey‘s age…then Manning propels from the ceiling, swoops Wright from his seat, and says “up up and away…”

    [Edit. LT Jonathan Martin grades higher. What a steal.]

    26. OT Mike Adams. Texans. [Prev pk Melvin Ingram]

    The loss of MLB Ryans, DE Williams and OT Winston to FA must be a bit jarring (that’s what happens when you “pay the man”). An OT just happens to be available. They can get a complementary WR in the later rounds where they should be drafted.

    27. CB Jenoris Jenkins. Pats. [Prev pk LB Luke Kuechly]

    Honestly, who knows? I fully expect them to trade down, but if they stay, they scoop up Johnny Apple Seed (he has 4 kids and 3 baby mamas). Pats put first vasectomy clause in sports contract ever.

    28. DT Devon Still Packers. [Prev pk S Mark Barron]

    Saturday is a short term solution, so Konz could come into play. However, the Packer D really felt the loss of Cullen Jenkins last year.

    29. C Peter Konz Ravens. [Prev pk G Kelechi Osemele]

    They picked up Grubbs, but still need to get younger in the interior.

    30. WR Reuben Randle 49ers. [Prev pk CB Alfonzo Dennard]

    The unexpected run on WRs leaves them with little choice. Carlos Rodgers isn’t getting any younger, but neither is Moss. Randle provides them with a solid yet unspectacular choice. If they want to gamble a bit, DT Dontari Poe is still an option.

    31. HB David Wilson Pats [Prev pk DT Fletcher Cox]

    Pats will most likely draft some guy only Kiper has heard of. But let’s just say for once they fill a need. DE Chandler Jones, OLB Zach Brown, or DT Kenall Reyes might get the Billichick eye.

    32. TE Coby Fleener Giants. [Prev pk C Peter Konz]

    A 6’6 TE who runs a 4.4 in a thin TE class in a TE trending NFL? yes please.

  • * Kirkpatrick not on board after Ten, at least in my mock.

    Sorry 'bout that. The other bad boy CB is though.

  • Ahh, dang. There are some other little typos left over from my previous draft. And someone broke the thread prematurely (insert joke here...)

    Well, you guys get the idea.

  • On the Okoye note. We need to make cap space for this dude. If we have to trade Bell or make a few other cuts, the Bears need to make this happen. How many former 1st round 25yr old 3tech DTs can be signed for a reasonable price?

    This is reminding me of when we let Manning walk last year...

  • yep. we should keep him. I fucking hated angelo for letting manning go. fucking moron.

  • well, the Manning debacle was Lovie's fault too. He put him at nickle back, fs, ss, then dos y dos...I'm sure Manning got fed up with it.

    I say trade Bell to the Browns for a 3rd or even 4rth, save about 1M. Re-structure 'Lach so that he retires a Bear, then go re-sign Okoye to a 4yr deal.

    This Forte franchise might cost us Okoye.

  • We have no idea what Okeye is asking for.

  • it's obviously more than emery thinks he's worth. He wants big money to be a starter somewhere. He ain't that.

  • I am ok with Coples. If anybody should whip him into shape, it's Jimi.

  • GP we might have to pay Okoye a little more (just like the Texans overpaid a little for Manning).

    But if Melton goes down, then who becomes our disruptive DT? Paea? Some 3rd rounder (who should've been an Oline guy)? Move Izzy back to DT?

    Trade Bell, restructure 'Lach. Ideally Forte too, but I'm not holding my breath there.

  • GP, where did Urlacher start at? Did we make him the MLB immediately?

    I understand why you wouldn't put him there but I would like to see him get into the NFL and let him learn the defense next to Urlacher and Briggs. Can't hurt and if Roach is better than him then it will not happen.

    I would be okay with Coples because you said it. Peppers will tell him what is up.

  • Sen. Joseph McCarthy was posthumously vindicated following the collapse of the Soviet Union and the public release of the Venona Cables. Turns out that the commie spies we had working in our government he was trying to out, were indeed commie's funded by the failed Empire. Semper Fi.

    We need some DL line help if Akoye is looking elsewhere...

  • We do not need to overpay for Okoye. He is a baller, but he is NOT that good. He is not going to have the Viklings (or anyone else in our division) overspend on a guard ala the Queens overspending for Hutchinson to counteract T. Harris a few years back...

  • Hey MB, told you Lovie would look into Harrison Smith as a second round pick.

  • There isnt a guy on here that either didnt want Rogers knocked out of our games, or called for him to be knocked out, or "Rogers Dead" If that Saints coach called for them to only go for the knees or only take headshots then he is dead wrong and deserves punishment. If it was reward for great hits, it is a different story. Guys make the pro bowl and all pro for big hits and lots of them. The point of the game is to hit him as hard as you can....if you don't, he aint going down. Two different things, a hit so good it knocked him out of the game, or a bad hit that knocked him our of the game. Same outcome but two very different scenarios.

  • Nick Saban said he can be a outside or inside LB. Up to where we want to put him.

  • I cant put much stock in that, Nick wasnt too successful coaching in the NFL.

  • R2 -

    The SSLB in Cover 2 Tampa is asked to mostly take the TE and sometimes pick up the swing back 1 on 1. You think this guy can do that?

  • Because I see this guy as a Lamar Woodley type best suited for a 3-4, where he can play monster like Woodley.

  • Nobody likes Ingram? I thought he looked the best rusher out of the top 5, but the thought of Hightower being groomed to replace Lac is nice.

    Look for Izzy to go back to tackle (wher he should have stayed), we'll draft the starting DE in the top two rounds. I get the feeling Emery knocks this one out of the park.

  • erik... Lach was a Strong Safety/Roverback at U of New Mexico. He was fast as all hell and a lot lighter when he came into the nfll.

    This dude is starting huge and isn't as fast.

  • I think we draft Donta in the first, we draft our DE in the 2nd, and Izzy moves back inside. Emery pulls a rabbit out of his ass drafting a corner and a WR in the 3rd and 4th. He gets a tackle for depth in the 5th, and a running back in the 6th. He finds our future starting center in the 7th.

    Emery gets crowned emperor of the universe and Zod kneels before him.

  • yooooourrrrr dreeeeeaaaaming ooooof a whiiiiiite chriiiiiistmaaaaaaaaas.... iiiiiiiriiiiiish.

  • BradBiggsabout 5 hours agoQuestion is how active is Emery pre-draft & what does he wait until post-draft to fill. Like to have vets on board b4 offseason prog 4/16

    Yep, I am waiting to see how things shake out after the draft. That will go a long way to telling us how good emery will be. I'm excited.

  • Hey Murph, I never called for anyone to get hurt or killed. The only things I said were that China Doll looked like Julia Childs in drag and for the Brett girl to get out of football and stay out.

  • Per @JasonLaCanfora, the #Bears signed CB Kelvin Hayden to a 1-year deal.

  • Nick Roach and Dont'a Hightowers 40 was almost the same.. 4.75 and 4.76.

    I am not saying start him but I want him to challenge Roach for the job. Yes, he is bigger but I just want him on the field. If Roach is better then Hightower will just ride the bench and learn.

  • I don't think anyone else pointed this out so if it's redundant, I sorry.

    Part of what I heard was a coach intimidating members of the Saints D to play dirty or lose their spot. That to me is about as vile as it gets for a guy to abuse his authority in such a position of leadership as he had. Hinda reminded me of the Gestapo in a way.

    On another note, I thought his assessment of Crabtree was spot on though.

  • I miss Pisa. Though sadly we missed Pisa for 90% of the time he was signed with us.

    Ahh, the DBB and our love for Samoans knows no bounds.

  • On another note, I thought his assessment of Crabtree was spot on though.

    Strangely, it was. Guy was a fantasy disappointment for me for two years running. All the while, the FF experts keep saying "He's ready to break out", and then he never does.

  • erik, of COURSE lovie wants HSmith on this team. He Loooooooves whiteboy safeties for some reason. Weird.

    All my spite for lovie and his total and complete proven inability to identify good safeties.... this harrison kid looks decent... talk to me in the 4th IFF we have already secured a LT (somewhere… anywhere), a DE, and maybe a Lach replacement. Then I would be interested.

  • 3 hour 'Sportscenter Special' scheduled on Tuesday, March 17. Schedule release anyone?

  • Rex cost us the win.

  • Rodgers DEAD!!!!!!

    (said in an entertaining Animal House way and not the intensely grotesque and douchey fashion that Greg Williams said it using his position as an employer urging his guys to hurt other guys)

    The tone of his voice is not the glorious "take it to them hard" mindset that I like seeing guys play with. I want to see guys bust ass but never intentionally play dirty with some douchebag coach in gay tinted glasses snarling about taking out ACL's and going after guy's heads that just had concussions. You don't get to that level in the sport as a coach without being a humongous dickface. Williams sounds like the powerbroker he is and it would only be fitting if his bullshit tactics resulted in him never coaching again. What a fag.

  • "He returned a Rex Grossman interception 56 yards for a touchdown in Super Bowl XLI. It was his first career interception."

    CB Kelvin Hayden... now a bear.

    Oh, and thanks Rex... you fuckbag.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    The inability to adjust on defense was probably the #1 reason the Bears lost the Bowl in 06.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtxo4BnYzro

  • Ah snaps we got a DB .. now if we could just get a safety and an end we'll be golden! Damn I cant wait for this season to start!! This D is gonna be no joke but I think the O is gonna be the show stopper. Another great move by Emery. We should all chip in and send the guya fruit basket or something as a thank you.

  • MB, my buddy at work showed me that video today and I laughed my ass off. "The last Cubs no hitter was thrown by a pitching machine." and "Even our former handsomely quaffed governor wouldn't try to sell a sox ticket."

  • I was actually thinking about sending Angelo a flaming bag of my shit.

    Anyone else want to chip in?

  • Sha-dy. yeah man, I'm not even from Chi and I was laughing.

    How's our friend Ms. P? Doooooooooood!

  • Not trying to be a dick (no need to try) but Forte would probably bring a 3rd rounder in a trade. Bell would probably bring a 7th rounder. He's a restricted FA. He's only signed for 1 year and obviously the Bears don't value him that much. Not to mention he had 3 fumbles in about 5 minutes last year.

  • http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/chi-bears-sign-hayden-to-boost-depth-in-secondary-20120405,0,292443.story

    we just signed another DB... Jonathan Wilhite: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Wilhite

  • at least willaims wasn't a total prick:

    http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/56698/lions-sort-of-ensnared-in-bounty-story

    "Pro Football Talk got a listen before that, however, and reported that Williams referred to the Lions as "weak-[expletive], phony-[expletive] mother [expletives]."

  • Regarding the Bears Pro Shop jersey sale - I missed out on a bunch of the adult jerseys (the Butkus one I wanted sold out after I put it in the shopping cart), but bought a couple of personalized Bears jerseys for my daughter and my nephew...going to make them both wear em on draft day while we're out and about in Chicago. Can't beat 50% off on custom jerseys. Too bad I don't wear a XXXL because there were plenty of jerseys left in that size. All the XLs were long gone.
    My daughter's is going to be way too big for her, but she'll be able to wear it for a few years.

  • I am very happy about the Hayden signing.

    We now have backups like Campbell, Bush, Hayden, Spencer who can start for other teams.

    Now we draft a DE which will make Izzy a swing DE, an LT which will make Webb a swing OT and a S which will make Wright a sp teamer and we'll be golden.

    We're deeper than Ron "The Hedgehog" Jeremy!

  • don't you mean john long, $?

    I never got the allure of a fat hairy lebanese (or whatever he was) dude. Eeeeeeeew.

  • Some cultures are naturally hairy MB, it's all genetics dooood hehe.

  • whatever ghandi.

    I'm ready to bust you up right now. Come get some... twoooo tiiiiiiime dooooooooood

  • Artoo - any good DT's left in FA? Maybe a young guy that could pressure the QB 25 to 30 times a year, have a couple sacks, play the run and not have any history of injuries??

    Okoye did that.

  • MB, I pulled the bag of shit manuever in High School. Had a beef with a neighbor. Lit it on fire and hid. She grabbed the first handy thing, a broom, which promptly caught fire. She put that out by hitting it against the wall of the house, which smeared shit on the wall before stomping it out with her shoe. Crying right now as I remember. Thanks for the trip down memory lane. BEST GAG EVER.

  • yes john... priceless.

  • Want to take a flyer on Ryan McBean or Albert Hanyesworth?

  • Sorry Waffle, I can't really think of anyone else.

    Every other player would be a reach.

  • Before you slam me please realize that I never played fantasy football on here seriously.

    When I play FF, I only play if there is money invlved. Lost last year but had the best scoring team and came in third. Playoffs are a bitch. Anyways enjoy.

    http://www.footballnation.com/content/fantasy-football-impact-same-faces-new-places/14213/

  • Dudes, the NFL is LUCKY the Bears don't have bounties. We got a fast huge fucken D who can bitch slap any team when they're pissed.

    Anyone care to see the Lions get beat down like a rented mule? Why am I asking, of course you do!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-al8sFlveFs&feature=related

  • Oh yeah!

  • This may be the worst list I've ever seen.

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8281b796/article/quarterback-rankings-eli-manning-tops-list-heading-into-2012?module=HP11_content_stream

  • This link reflects my comments about Williams coercing players to hurt their opponents or lose their spot. I wonder what can of worms this will open in the future?

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/04/05/gregg-williams-audio-could-bolster-players-positions-on-appeal/

  • Clip for 'Ted' Mark Wahlberg and his teddy bear is plyaed by Seth Macfarlane. I LOLd.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxKfC77XAp8

  • $, that was my favorite game in a long long long time. Fuck man, can you imagine if we played every game like that? Peanut, Pep, Lach, and the whole Dbackfield were just going OFF. FuckenA, THAT is Bears football baby. Just D-moralize those fucking punkass biatches.

    I know canada will love that clip too, thanks for posting.

    (ps. That bullshit roughing call on Briggsy still makes me so angry)

  • Not as angry as a noob tube to the boob dood.

  • Butch thanks for posting the Lions lowlights. Fucking Awesome! 15 minutes of bliss. I loved the Tillman INT when that punk ass bitch Stafford doesn't try to tackle him but is whining to the refs. That really had to make his teammates happy. I love Trac's description of him, Julia Child in drag. Perfect!

  • I hope Goodell, following Peyton's appeal, decides that his original punishment didn't go far enough, and increases the suspension to two years.

  • True Dat, Viva!

  • I mean, if you don't have enough sense not to appeal, don't you think you should get a bigger puinishment.

  • bengals cut safety Chris Crocker. should we have any interest?

  • No. doesn't look like he plays football!?!?!?!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Crocker

    oh... wait... that chris crocker... no...

    he's 32 (bad for a DB), and looks like he's a strong safety based on his stats (more run support/blitz package guy). We need a truly athletic cover FS... we have like 6 SSs already.

  • whoops, forgot the link: http://www.nfl.com/player/chriscrocker/2505666/profile

  • holy vagina-bag batman: http://www.maxim.com/girls-of-maxim/ellen-hollman

  • Have we got any cash? I think Artoo said we had 3.5M before we signed the 2 CBs - how do we sign them AND sign the draft class? Are people due to be cut in that case?

    Goodbye Mr. Spencer.

  • deeeum, those stats are pretty damn strong for a back up. I'm impressed.

    I should have recorded some of that call for you last night so that you can play it in the background on a continuous loop while you work today maings.

  • hahahahahaha....

    Tech glitch, or serious false hope?

    http://www.joesportsfan.com/st-louis-cardinals/cubs-fans-seem-confident-this-year/

  • Bears sign CB Wilhite
    by Aaron Wilson of Scout.com, April 6, 2012 at 4:45 am ET

    Jonathan Wilhite Profile

    The Chicago Bears didn't just sign veteran cornerback Kelvin Hayden.

    They also negotiated a one-year deal with former New England Patriots cornerback Jonathan Wilhite.

    Wilhite is a former Patriots fourth-round draft pick who has played in 54 games with 15 starts, 134 tackles, four interceptions, 11 pass deflections, two sacks and three special-teams tackles.

    Wilhite played for the Denver Broncos last season with 15 games and two starts with 26 tackles, two sacks, one interception, two pass deflections.

  • Might be a chance I can get online tonight, but it might be after 10PM pacific. Who's with me?

  • 14) Jay Cutler, Chicago Bears: The Bears would've been in the Super Bowl last season if he stayed healthy. If he gets the Bears to one this season, he cracks the top seven. Yeah, he's really that good, whether you like him or not.

  • Full CBs story, including that Kelvin Hayden (dislocated toe) still in walking boot and won't be ready for April 16.

  • Just passing it along..

    "A friend of mine called this morning(huge bills fan) and said that his bills were working on trading down from the tenth pick and the only team they were talking to were the bears. From what he was reading the bears want Floyd and the bills want Hester so 10 for 19 and Hester but like i said just a rumor we shall see." CBMB

    http://boards.chicagobears.com/forums/thread/3124551.aspx

  • Keep Hester

  • So we swap places..if we give up Hester?

    IDK.. a little iffy there.

  • But what if @10 we select LT Reiff? We might not get the chance to draft the 2nd best LT in a looong time...

    Just a rumor anyhow.

  • We'd be crazy to trade Hester. Still the best punt returner in the league (not to mention in history) but now that we have Marshall, he can take the top off any D. Really looking forward to seeing what our passing game looks like with a true #1 WR.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Yes, yes, and yes.

  • http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/How-free-agency-affected-Super-Bowl-odds.html

    I NEVER saw the Bears at 30/1 and I've been in Reno at least once a month since Dec. I would have jumped on it. I guess I'll take it at 20/1 since I bet the futures every year but I would prefer the 35/1 I got last year.

  • Trading Bell would be the smartest thing PE could do. I don´t know how much Okoye is asking. but it´s clear we´ll cross the fingers for Couples, Brockers, Cox or even Ingram reach the 19.

    that "bounty case" it´s strating feeding me up, that Goodell will turn nfl out a dancing Hippo... and will left Rugby the real Men´s sport. if you don´t want to get hurt, play Chess!!!

  • If we traded up to 10 I'd prefer Kuechly over Floyd.

    Bears are 25/1 with European firms online, regional restrictions are easy to work around using free proxy servers.

  • Agree with this.

  • El Caney -

    "that "bounty case" it´s strating feeding me up, that Goodell will turn nfl out a dancing Hippo... and will left Rugby the real Men´s sport. if you don´t want to get hurt, play Chess!!!"

    what the fuck are you smoking mang? this paragraph sounded like an internet spam ad for www.millionairesinglesdatebang.ru

  • hahahaahaha it´s the truth. it nothing concerns with the ethical or moral side of playing sports. if you play contact sports, you´ll probably get hurt. that "bounty" is part of the game, period.

  • Hahahahaha... I was going to say something similar for a post a few threads ago. i am guessing that english is his second lang.

    Doc,I'm prolly down maings.

    Shady and Rabbit... before that, I'm down with jumping on BF3. BUT, it may fuck your mic again shady. Just fyi..

  • I think the smartphone autocorrect went all halalalalalalalalalalala on his ass.
    I've had that happen too many times to count.

    I'll be on MW3 tonight with a nice cold trippel.
    No more BF3 for me.

    Although.....I did pick up Bad Company 2 at Target last night (it was on clearance and I'm a whore for clearance stuff). I know Shady mentioned he has it.

  • BTW - this is why you check the aircraft accident zone map when you move close to a military base.
    http://hamptonroads.com/2012/04/navy-jet-slams-virginia-beach-apartments

  • Some interesting bodies that didn't make it to the combine.

    http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/09000d5d82822ed8/article/draft-sleepers-noncombine-invitees-on-the-rise?module=HP11_content_stream

  • yikes! rabbit... was thinking about you guys. Obviously everything's ok.

    Gave my guys the day off... online kicking ass now. Care to join?

  • Nice link Irish. Here's why I keep refraining that this year's WR class is deep.

    Michael Calvin, WR, California (6-3, 210): Though he caught just 42 passes in four years, Calvin's overall workout would've made headlines had he done it on television at the combine: 4.34 40, 40 1/2-inch vertical, 11-1 broad jump, 4.09 short shuttle, 6.70 three-cone.

    Those are pretty much Stephen Hill numbers.

    The only WR I'd be happy with in the 1st is Floyd. After that, they are all more or less projects.

  • This guy sounds like an interesting 4-3 LB we can get in the later rounds...

    Louis Nzegwu, DE, Wisconsin (6-4, 252): Wisconsin's leading sacker last fall (albeit with just 4.5) flashed the explosiveness to switch from a 4-3 defensive end to 3-4 rush linebacker in the NFL. His impressive pro-day showing included a 4.60 40-yard dash, as well as a 41 1/2-inch vertical and 10-8 broad jump -- both of which would have led all defensive ends and linebackers at the combine.

  • Yeah, they overdeveloped the hell out of the property around the Navy Base and then get pissed when a jet falls into a residential area.

    Traffic on the interstate here is royally screwed up at the worst possible time in VB - Friday night heading into Easter weekend.
    Definitely odds-defying that no one is confirmed dead at this point. If they are, there's probably not going to be much left after seeing footage of the buildings.

  • Just ordered my train tickets. Can't wait to see you guys!

    I get to go to two draft parties. Man this is going to be awesome.

  • http://www.cnn.com/video/?hpt=hp_c2#/video/living/2012/04/06/nat-zombie-run.cnn

    OK, so yes, the zombie thing is kind of played out - but this is still a pretty cool variation on the adventure racing thing. I'd like to try it.

  • Aweeesomeeee

  • No rest for the wicked - 11pm phone call to do data transformations when MW3 is calling.

    Rock'n'rolla.

  • Jim Trotter is a douche of a sports writer. The guy fucking retweets an agency (Octagon Football). You're a journalist, dickhead - you don't get to give free advertising to people in the industry. Can't believe that smarmy asshole works for SI - oh, wait, yes I can.

  • I think trading Hester makes sense. If we can draft a successor to Urlacher, Tillman or draft a franchise LT, the Bears would be remiss to pass up on a trade to move up in the draft. Hester is a paycheck away from losing a step anyway. He's not as hungry as he was anymore and in my opinion, is on the downside of his career.

  • Man I hate this blog, I hit reply and nothin happens. No way we really went to the moon if no one can even get this thing to work correctly!

    Artoo, what's the other draft party you are going to?

  • Pretty sure Artoo won himself tickets to the "official" Bears draft party where he can hobnob and get himself an internship.

    Trac - no way would Hester bring enough in trade to justify what we'd lose in field position on ST. Teams are still scared of the guy, and if he's not taking so many snaps on O, he's going to be healthier.

  • I've got a request for all you tech savvy guys (you know who you are). Please stop fucking with the blog. Stop using bold, stop using italics, stop inserting active links and stop changing colors. I know this shouldn't be an issue and any interactive site since the 21st century began should have all those features. Well, guess what? We're on the least user friendly site on the planet and doing all that shit always fucks the site to hell. Thanks in advance for your cooperation.

  • I was thinking the same thing yesterday Canada. I was hoping Jeff would give us his take on the Bears new secondary signings. How bout it Jeff?

  • Hey, my active links have never once broken the comments. I will continue to do so, as I prefer them to copy & paste (especially on the iPad).

    The key is to CLOSE the tags!

    Has anyone told the gnome about this issue or does Jeff put a new post up before the natives get restless?

  • MBP told you before I could Murph.

    I still can't believe I won them. It will be cool tour the Bears locker room and meet some players. Granted not the few I would like to meet but I would like to meet a few players up front.

    The sad thing is... When I see Major Wright and Chris Conte, I will be thinking of all the crap that we have said about them. I hope I don't laugh at them.

  • Remember, Eric, that they made the NFL and none of us have.

  • Willie, it's not like I'm mad at anyone and I'm sure you're correct. The problem is this POS gets broken so easily and it never seems to get fixed until a new entry from Jeff. It just frustrates the hell out of me when you can't even reply to a commenter. Please don't take offense.

  • Hey Super, you'd better not laugh at them. They may not be the toughest guys on the roster but I'm quite sure they'd kick your ass. Other than the Man of Steel thing. of course.

  • http://xfinity.comcast.net/articles/sports-nfl/20120407/Warren-Sapp-Chapter-7/

    How the heck can a guy like Sapp, make all that money, still work on television, and need to file? This is nuts!

  • Artoo, you're going into the Bears' locker room .... with Bears in it ? Jebus!

    Give Cutty a big kiss, high five The Lac, and kick Webb square in the nuts for me.

  • Artoo, you can go to two parties, which one are you spending the most time at? Whats your party schedule?

  • I am going to the Dabearsblog one on April 26th and then the offciall Bears one is on April 27. Thus, I will be at both.

  • R2 Ergo Sum.

    Ludo ergo sum.
    "I got game therefore I am"

  • GP:

    Two options. Go to the multiplayer screen > options > voice volume. turn it up.

    Or.

    main PS3 menu > settings > accessory settings > audio device settings and make sure your ouput device is your blue tooth.

    If that doesn't work. I'm not sure.

    Come get some. I've got a little time.

  • Nice One, Doc!

  • Murph, to answer your question, some people just don't give a rip.

  • Greg Cosell's take on Keuchly is making me really start thinking seriously about us picking him if he's there at 19. The kid sounds like a stud MLB.

  • OK, guess I can't reply to MBP above so I'll just straight post. Everything I read about Keuchly says he's the real deal and one of the surest defensive bets of this draft. However, nobody sees him lasting much past the ten spot. Stranger things have happened but it doesn't look like we're gonna have a chance....

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    From Bucky Brooks mock ....

    9. Luke Kuechly, LB, Boston College: Fundamentally sound defender with spectacular instincts and awareness. Kuechly's remarkable production over a three-year period (532 tackles) is a testament to his extraordinary ability to read and react in the middle.

    532 tackles in 3 years!

    Somebody was mentioning the Bills swapping their 10th for our 19th and Hester. For a guy like Kuechly I'd do it.

  • that´s right MB30SD, greeting from Mexico..

  • Well, I sent a polite email to the Chicago Now staff regarding the problem. Let's see if anyone there is working today....

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    It was very polite, and appreciated. I can fix it internally when that happens again so please email me or Jeff to let us know. I'm at jgreenfield@tribune.com.

  • In reply to Jimmy Greenfield:

    Any chance the bug will be squashed permanently at some point?

  • In reply to Jimmy Greenfield:

    Thanks Jimmy.

  • In reply to Jimmy Greenfield:

    Greenfield Lives...

    Gnomes 2.0: Legacy.

  • @tobijohn - I wasn't thrilled about the idea at first, but it's growing on me.

  • TobiJohn Kenobi, your message is lost forever in the junkmail folder of a derelict account.

  • Crunch, " Hope springs eternal in the human breast" so sayeth Alexander Pope. But you're probably right - they're snickering at me while we speak....

  • No one is snickering, no one is there. We're adrift, rudderless.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    Hey!!!

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    Our prayers were answered!!!

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    Thank you, Obi Wan.

  • http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/04/07/bucs-land-amobi-okoye/

    Emery's first blunder.

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    in my humble opinion of course.

    Okoye was fucking 25yrs old man and was solid at the 3 technique. Now we have a practice squad lifer in Big Toe and Paea as our tackles. What the fuck? They had better be pulling a fucking coup on D in the draft or else i will be pisssssssed.

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    Yeah, but what's more surprising is that he only signed a 1 year deal. If Okoye was good on tape, teams would've come knocking, signing him to a longer term deal.

    If he proves himself this year in Cincy, then at least we may have a shot at him next year. Too bad he's going to miss the SB run.

  • i want to know what that 1 yr amount was. I don't like our DT situation.

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    Buccaneers and DT Amobi Okoye agreed to a one-year, $2 mill deal, his agents Darin Morgan and Ian Greengross confirmed.

  • well, that fucking blows cock. Our deal offer must have sucked royally. we pay Craig fucking Steltz almost 1.5 million a year. steltz.........steltz......steltz man......fucking steltz.

  • Are we drafting Dontari Poe. I'm sure they'll be going DE and DT at some point.

  • Exactly, he just missed out on a Lombardi. Doesn't seem like Maranelli was crying about this too hard.

  • Exactly Irish.

  • 18 days to the draft .....

    So I went back and watched '9/11 In Plane Sight' after a hiatus of about four years, took the old head out of the sand again, gave it a good shake to see what stuck.

    {Oh God no, Irish, you can't be serious ...}

    The same questions remain, none of them were answered.

    1. How does alleged flight 77, a 757, disappear into a 16-foot hole in the Pentagon, yet leave no wreckage, and cause no fireball, no heat, from almost fully fueled tanks? No CCTV footage was ever released.

    2. Larry Silverstein, owner of building 7 said they 'had to pull it' due to structural damage. How was it possible to wire the building for demolition in 8 hours?

    3. What was attached to the belly of the second plane (allegedly flight 175), and why did news networks not show this clearly visible appendage on blown-up and slowed down video footage ?

    4. Why did witnesses claim it was not a commercial airliner... with no visible windows?

    5. What was the flash as the nose hit the building (filmed from 4 different angles)?

    6. How could Flight 93 crash in Shanksville, Pennsylvania at 10:00 a.m. ... yet also have landed at Cleveland Hopkins Intl. airport - been evacuated and searched at 11:53 a.m. - as reported by Liz Foreman, WCPO TV Cincinatti ?

    7. Where is the evidence linking Usama Bin Laden and Al Qaeda (funded and trained by the USA) to the events of 9/11 as promised by Condoleeza Rice "in due course" ?

    It is said that those who forget their history, are destined to repeat it.

    It is now known that the authorities knew days in advance of the attacks on Pearl Harbor, yet did nothing about it.

    ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7p1TOA99S88&list=WL8AF7F930131B87EF&index=69&feature=plpp_video)

    Operation Northwoods documents released in 1961, outlined the Joint Chiefs' guidelines to have their own ships attacked and have terrorist attacks in the U.S. (including the Pentagon), in order to escalate the cold war.

    "In the size of the lie there is always contained a certain factor of credibility, since the great mass of people will more easily fall victims to a great lie than to a small one."
    - Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf.

    We now return you to your normal programming.

  • Everyone is entitled to their opinion but I have to agree with MBP minus his intensity. People are what they are and there would have had to have been way too many involved for a successful coverup of this magnitude. Besides as much as I did not care for that particular administration, I can not believe they were so depraved as to orchestrate the murder of over 3000 Americans to advance some vague geopolitical agenda regardless of whether they were Freemasons or members of the Illuminati. The risk/reward ratio just wasn't there....

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    Uh oh.

    Happy Easter!

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    Exactly!

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    Fuck MBP! The illuminati is real, wake up people!

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    GTFO, motherfucker.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    fuck off

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    Stop by and say hi at the party. I'll be happy to not buy you a beer. Don't let the government kidnap you and surgically implant an RFID tag in you on the way there.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    RFID is real, man ( Private Hudson from Aliens voice). You might have a chip in your drivers license.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    I know I have one in my passport and my wife's CAC has about every electronic gizmo known to man embedded in it. I think the barcode tattoo trend was pretty funny.

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    There is healthy skepticism and there is paranoiac ravings. And sadly, Irish, you tend to fall into the paranoiac crowd. Between your anti-Jewish banking conspiracy ravings and the complete gibberish you spew about 9/11, and the fact that while you're not even American, you continue to lecture me on what my own Constitution says, it gets old.
    There's plenty of terrible realities in the world that people won't accept - you waste everyone's energy on terrible fictions that never happened, and that's what I have a problem with.

    Attacking each one of your "questions" is a waste of time when experts and eyewitnesses have thoroughly debunked each idiotic point relentlessly in the last eleven years.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Not being American disallows me an opinion on the American Constitution? Where did I ever misquote it? Article one, the sixteenth amendment? Do expand.

    Anti-jewish banking conspiracies? Hold up there skip, what are you talking about? The banking conspiracy is obvious, who mentioned Jews?

    Wasting whose energy? Skip past it, Mike, the way I skip past the online gaming stuff, or Trayvon stuff, only you get to say what gets posted? You really get that wound up with stuff you don't agree with? That must be hard.

    Your last paragraph is a great argument by the way, flawless.

  • You are free to express your opinions as I am to express how retarded and uninformed they are.
    Knock yourself out.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Just to be clear, I didn't express any opinions, I asked questions. Noyne of which you were able to refute, other than saying that they'd all been taken care of by some other people. Which documentaries have you watched? I'm not convinced you've watched any research whatsoever, but are merely reacting with gut feeling since day one, too horrified by the implications.

    Why did they never show the plane entering the pentagon? Buildings falling at freefall speed?

    These questions are completely informed, dismissing them offhand is not.

  • No, Irish - I haven't been watching someone's basement project movies - I've actually been reading material on it since it happened.
    I'd suggest that you start doing the same, starting with the work that NIST did...if that's too much, the Popular Mechanics article and the Wyndham paper are pretty good summaries.
    I don't "watch" research - I watch entertainment.
    You're a smart guy - I think if you studied it, you'd realize how many of these questions you are asking have already been answered in a coherent and meaningful fashion by experts, which should be impressive given how chaotic that day was.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    72 minutes out of your life. About 25 of them deal with the pentagon attack, if there was a cover-up at one place there was a cover-up at the other. Take the time. 'In plane sight'. It's just video footage and witnesses. You dod the rest.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igX7Z8VstN4

  • It is to the point - your theory is garbage and there's literally been millions of pages of evidence and testimony in the last eleven years that dispute it. I don't need to eat up the entire blog telling you that you're wrong when you could easily just do the research yourself (not that you'll believe anything you can't find on Youtube).

    But I sent you some helpful links below anyway.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    What theory? I didn't suggest any theory, you made that assumption. Are you afraid of looking at video? That's all that documentaries like Loose Change and In Plane Sight (sic) do.

    One photo tells us all we need to know. No testimonies, no opinion, no great leap of faith required. One photo. 25:43 in :

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igX7Z8VstN4

    The powers that be want you to believe that a 757 was flown by a rookie pilot mere feet from the ground into one of the most secure buildings on the planet. They want you to believe that this plane created a 16 foot hole in the outer ring of the pentagon, yet the two six-ton engines travelling at 500 mph didn't cause cause so much as a dent on either side of that hole, and that they magically disappeared into thin air.

    People believe that crap precisely because they don't watch the footage that was never shown by the networks, the same networks that are owned by General Electric and other contractors who profited greatly from the two illegal invasions which followed. They can't bring themselves to watch those bargain basement movies - the only ones who actually show relevant footage that mainstream media refuse to show because they expose the lies - because they're afraid of the consequences. No amount of 'testimony' or 'expert' opinion - and by the way, how do you refute the expert opinion with the petition of thousandfs of demoliton experts, architects and structural engineers - can overshadow the human eye.

    One photo, 25:34. Lie exposed.

    24:00 the American society of civil engineers make these bullshit claims when common sense and having eyeballs clearly demonstrate the contrary. These are your 'experts'.

    One question. Tell me. Where are the engines? Expose our paranoia and stupidity.

    Flight 77 hit the pentagon? Okay, where is it?

    It's not crazy to ask that question, it's crazy not to.

    If a plane did not hit the pentagon that day, then there was a cover-up. Given that there were other attacks on that day, 'surprise attacks' and all were related .... then there can be no disputing that a conspiracy occurred.

  • In a million pieces.
    Irish - they have photos of the 757 parts that were embedded in the Pentagon site, including pieces of the landing gear.
    This is what happens when a jet hits solid masonry at several hundred miles an hour - I don't know what you think is going to be left but aluminum and steel are not indestructible:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIe5h_L480Y

    You keep saying you don't have a theory but you keep stating this shit like it makes sense to you. And I keep telling you to actually go read the evidence. You won't.
    You keep bringing these things up like they are the first time I've heard about or seen them. They aren't - and each one has been debunked by REAL scientists, engineers, and eyewitnesses.

    And Irish, I've flown both a KC-135 full-size simulator (the USAF one) and a Cessna - if you want to run into something on the ground, that's not very difficult.
    It's landing it in one piece that's a bitch.

    I already watched a good chunk of Loose Change beforehand, and as I've said before, there are annotated versions of it that debunk each false claim, step-by-step. Why don't YOU watch THOSE and get back to me?

  • preach it brother!

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    Thanks bro, wouldn't do to let those people all die in vain now would it?

  • Right - your blaming their deaths on some mystical vast conspiracy of fellow Americans is a far better way to honor their lives.

  • Irish, take the 9/11 conspiracy garbage and go fuck yourself.
    Seriously.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Go fuck yourself doosh!

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    And who the fuck are you, Chief???

    Put down your kid's Easter basket and your Schlitz, and eat a bag of dicks, asshole.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Not a regular Doosh, assure yourself dickwad

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    and I will NEVER, EVER.... put down the Schlitz!!!

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    Yes, it's quite clear you're more of a Super Douche.
    Obviously your wit is only matched by your prowess at spelling.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I take it you've surveyed all of the evidence and answered Qs 1-7. Do share your wisdom with us Mike ....

  • First, you have it the wrong way around. You're the conspiracy theorist, posing an idea that a) is not cogent, and b) flys in the face of literally millions of pages of evidence and testimony that was gathered in the aftermath of the attacks. The burden of proof is on YOU to provide indisputable evidence that prove that the government somehow conspired to kill thousands of civilians in a false flag operation rather than the events that I and most other people here watched, live on tv or in some cases, in person.

    I'd suggest that rather than depending on half-baked videos on the internet for your proof that you start by reading this:
    http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/search/pagedetails.action?granuleId=&packageId=GPO-911REPORT&fromBrowse=true
    then perhaps this:
    http://www.amazon.com/Ghost-Wars-Afghanistan-Invasion-September/dp/1594200076
    and follow up with this:
    http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/1227842
    For the record, I think the federal government's reaction to 9/11 was a vast over-reach, particularly by the executive branch. And I cringe every time my active duty spouse has to get patted down at the airport, or I see a two year old have to remove their shoes to go through the metal detector.
    The simplest explanation is usually the correct one - there was a conspiracy of muslim fundamentalists of Al Qaeda origin who attacked on 9/11 to prompt a military and economic expedition by the US into a war that is not winnable under existing doctrine. That was Bin Laden's stated goal for nearly a decade before the attacks, he recruited individuals to carry it out, and we bit.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I'll check out the links, thanks. But is that www.gpo.gov site ... is that a dot gov site. How credible would that be?

    As for indisputable proof. The photos of the hole in the pentagon before the roof collapsed show a 16 foot hole with absolutely no plane wreckage or six-tonne rolls royce engines in sight. If steel buildings magically collapsed, there would be no freefall, there would be resistance, they could not physically fall at the speed of gravity - that would defy the laws of physics. That's indisputable. Fire fighters and workers have all reported to the commission that explosions not only happened as the building 'collapsed', but explosions were heard below the building BEFORE any plane hit.

    No, the burden of proof is on those who won't release video footage of one of the most secure buildings on the planet, or a governement who asks us to believe that the laws of physics were broken that day.

  • It didn't happen in the middle of the desert, Irish - it happened in the center of Arlington. There are an enormous amount of eyewitnessees to the plane flying into the Pentagon, along with the aircraft controllers that watched it on radar, as so on, and so on. And in spite of your belief that there was absolutely no plane wreckage at the sight, there was plenty.
    Here's a more detailed set of eye witness accounts of the incident along with explanations of the physical damage to the building.
    http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pentagon.asp

    And in terms of the towers - first, skyscrapers weren't built to withstand the direct kinetic impact of a fully loaded 200-ton aircraft. Secondly, the hijackers plane utilized planes that had recently departed so as to utilize the store of jet fuel as an added "bonus". While the direct impact of the aircraft weren't not enough to fell the tower at the point of impact, the jet fuel set structural steel elements of the first tower on fire. When those supports failed and pardon me if I don't have all the details stated as eloquently as the engineers who've studied this event, the entire weight of the upper section of the tower fell, pancaking each subsequent floor beneath and adding more and more energy to the collapse as it went.
    If you want a great explanation of it, here's another link:
    http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/JOM/0112/Eagar/Eagar-0112.html

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    There are additional studies all over the place that support the physics of this model.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    If you mean the association of civil engineers, their claims are clearly blown out of the water with the photographic evidence, and the physics is definitely not supported.

  • Right. I'm going to put much more credence in your understanding of physics than several of the most prestigious engineering and technology associations on the planet.

    Ooookay.

  • Here's more on the Pentagon crash and some of the common myths about the lack of visible debris.
    http://911review.com/errors/pentagon/nodebris.html
    http://journalof911studies.com/volume/2010/Wyndham1.pdf

    I think the Wyndham1 is extremely well done and adheres to a rational examination of theories versus evidence, weighing everything in turn.

    Keep in mind some important points made herein:
    "The size of debris from a jetliner crash is highly dependent on the nature of the crash. Whereas a plane that skids and bounces on the ground will likely survive in one or more large pieces, one that flies directly into the ground will not."
    and specifically, in reference to the "no video" of the Pentagon attack, that's not true. The government presented two pieces of video of the impact at the trial of this asshole:
    Zacarias Moussaoui.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    \Why would you 'read' reports when your own eyes can very quickly dismiss them by watching any of the footage from the bargain basement' movies produced. They're not doctoring video, they're merely showing you what you never saw/see on the mainstream media. Make up your own mind, but at least look at the evidence with your own eyes.

  • SMH - right, let's discard the hundreds of eyewitnesses who -watched- the 757 hit the Pentagon, the video evidence that the government seized from the Pentagon CC system and PRESENTED IN COURT, and the thousands of Pentagon employees who were in the building when the plane hit because Irish saw a photograph with foreshortening in it and decided it could not have happened.

    Let's discard everything that is commonly agreed upon as fact because you, Irish, the expert photographic examiner and structural engineer, have concluded that every single expert involved is either stupid, paid off, or a member of the Illuminati and thus their conclusions are invalid.

    Have you read a single thing I've sent you?

  • To everyone else, Happy Easter!
    Hope you have a great day with your families - two weeks until the draft.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Hey MBP how did you get so popular?

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    It's my sparkling personality, CB!

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I'm a little baffled. You're one of the nicer guys on the blog. Oh well. Always fun to kid about it!!!!

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Oh, I don't know - I can be a prickly sunofabitch. I'm fairly sure of that.
    Happy Easter!

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I've seen both versions :-)

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    The guy just can't let anything go.

    Goosefraba, MBHaP, goose-frahhhhhhhh-ba.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    Butt-steak, you are a card.

  • Hey MB, how 'bout Boonen in Paris-Roubaix? That guy is on fire!!!!!!!!!!

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    yeah canada, those guys boggle my mind maing.

    I did 850 in the pool then 30 on the bike at an 18MPH average, then tried to do a 5k run, but cramped out .5 miles in (it was hot and I ran out of water on the ride).

    Man, I have NO idea how those dudes maintain a 25-30MPH avg on a 50-100M ride. Scary to think about.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    They are good. I remember reading of a climb by Armstrong on year in the Tour and so I calculated it to see if it was as insane as I thought.

    Right about 15 miles, up an average grade of 8%, in a hair less than ONE HOUR. Absolutely friggin' surreal.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    Dave a climb like that would take me at least 2.5 hours, not including stops (and there would be a couple for sure). When the "experts" from the mainstream sports media in the US talk about those guys not being athletes it makes me crazy (it happens every year during the TDF). The most athletic thing any of those idiots have ever done is jump to a conclusion. I get that most people find bicycle racing boring but saying they aren't athletes because a kid can ride a bike is just stupid. Oh well.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    MB let me lay some stats on you about Paris-Roubaix. The first one was in 1896. This year's race was 160 miles in just under 6 hours (27 mph). There are 27 sections of Pave for a total of 32 miles. What is Pave? Cobblestone roads that the ROMANS installed. They make brick roads look like the autobahn. Crazy race and my favorite. It's pretty flat but there's always a ton of crashes and flat tires due to the pave. WOO-HOO!

  • Happy Easter! Hope it's been a great weekend for everyone!

  • The blog is overflowing with love and forgiveness on this day of the anniversary of the resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ. Amen.

  • Wow Irish, you really have a way to stir it up. You come up with some of the craziest theories about some stuff. I can tell you that there is not much truth in those statements about 9/11, but I know nothing I say or could show you would change your mind. Try not to ruin my man Brownies dinner on Holidays.
    All of you have a Happy Easter and God's blessings to you all.

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    Happy Easter to you, Murph, and to you, Irish - just because I tell you to fuck off doesn't mean I don't actually like you. I just think you're nutty as a Snickers bar.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I'll bug him about Forte being traded Irish....in person.. bhawaw..

    To be honest, I really do not want to argue or talk about 9-11 or the bank conspiracies.

    I don't know enough to say they are not true or enough to say you're wrong.

    Thus, I am okay with everyone's opinion. Does not offend me.

  • Everyone is entitled to their own opinions. You are not, however, entitled to your own facts.

    That's a rough approximation of a quote but didn't feel like googling the original.

  • They're just questions Artoo. Never shoot anyone for asking questions, it's what separates us from the beasts.

  • So is accepting rational answers when they are provided and using them as the basis for further questions - hence the complete mystery to me of the birther movement and climate change deniers. You can just ignore the answer if it disagrees with your premise - but that is favoring myth over science.
    There is clear evidence of a muslim conspiracy to commit terrorist attacks on 9/11; the "questions" you asked, which were statements in question form, have been thoroughly discredited, and the Popular Mechanics article does a nice job of summarizing nearly everything you listed
    If you don't like the rational answers you get (and trust me, as someone who knows - NIST is the most bedrock of rational scientific institutions), you can't just act like they don't exist. Admit that you're ignoring them because they don't fit the pre-existing theory you've cooked up.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I'd love to see rational answers man, then I could set it down, believe me when I say I hope there are ratioanl answers tot hose questions. I don't want to live in the other world.

    By the way, if anyone knows of any good documentaries that do answer the tough questions, please do post their titles.

  • I don't reject conspiracy theories out-of-hand. Nor do I believe in the Great Non-Conspiracy Theory, the one that states conspiracies are impossible because people can't keep their yaps shut.

    That's crap. Large groups - military, governmental, criminal, corporate, etc. - successfully carry-out complex, long-term operations all the time. If the attack on 9/11 was carried-out by a terrorist group, is that not an example of a successful conspiracy?

    I don't want to "live in the other world" either. But I don't have the heart to look into 9/11. I know it will end in frustration.

    Whether 9/11 was a Reichstag event or not, it was. There was a widespread conspiracy by the Cheney administration to use it to their own ends. It was highly successful.

    So as far as I'm concerned, there were two 9/11's - the one that happened, and the one that it became. The first one might as well never have happened. The second is a true conspiracy.

    These are not the droids you seek - Dearth Cheney.

  • Fuck the documentaries - read the material. It is out there.
    BTW there ARE direct responses to the most popular 9/11 conspiracy films, usually with video annotations that answer each "question" as they occur.
    You just have google them.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I probably am. I know my mother loves me though, and I think one of my kids likes me, so it's all good.

  • Just make sure it's the youngest. That way you maximize the time they spend with you when you reach your dotage.

  • I thought it was the resurrection of the chocolate bunnies?!?!

    Happy bunny day everyone.

    (the blog fixed itself!?!?!?) Wow, this truly IS a holy day of miracles)

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Dude, you totally missed Jimmy? Have a re-read top to bottom mang, and be nice ....

  • For the longest time I thought you guys were making up the guy name Jimmy that would fix the blog.

  • AFAIK, he has never fixed Da Blog before. I may be wrong - I haven't been here that long.

    TobiJohn must write a helluvan e-mail.

    Btw, you should post it, TobiJohn. We might need it again one day when you're not here. Nobody else on Da Bears Blog knows how to suck dick. No offense, it's a great gift if you can do it by email. I would happily do it myself if I could. But mine always end up toothy.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    He actually fixed the same thing once before when I brought it to his attention. Nothing special, just a please and a thank you seems to do the trick. I know what you mean about getting toothy, that used to be my natural tendency but I guess I've settled down a bit over the past few decades. I've also kinda burned out on indulging in self-righteousness and let me tell you, I lived for those moments...

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    It's not self-righteousness. People who get off on their little 'speak-truth-to-power' moments make me want to puke my guts out. I had my fill of them at liberal blogs.

    I'm just not good at catching flies with honey. It's a failing. I'm not good at compliments either. Can't give 'em, can't take 'em. The words feel fake to me. In an effort to make them seem genuine I subconsciously insert sarcasm. Best if I don't try.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    I hope you didn't think I was accusing you of acting self-righteous, I was speaking of my own tendency to indulge in it...

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    It is rather amazing what good manners can do. I got the insurance company to approve my wife's stem cell transplant by being polite and personal.

    Regardless of what we may sometimes make ourselves believe, most people are decent and don't mind helping others. Really.

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    I hope you didn't think I was denying that I am a self-righteous prick at times, TobiJohn.

  • 1. Doooood. Everyone needs to ease up. Rabbit let irish have his fun maing... he's a loco irish guy. Irish, have your crazy beliefs maing... just let all of us know if you ever decide to come over here so that we can prep the ATF, IMF, FBI, CIA, and secret service. Regs gotta stick together boys, kiss and make up already!

    2. ChiRy – dude… noob. You seem like an ok guy from the few posts you've made thus far. Some advice… If you want to be welcomed back, don't be a cunt and fuck with the regs. Stay out of a reg fight and ease up on the name calling out of nowhere. Just makes sense, right? And yes, I am the fucking peace officer/rule maker here.

    3. It's even worse than we thought Johnny. According to Biggs, okoye didn't get $2M, he got fucking less than we paid him last year!!!

    "BradBiggs about 14 hours ago No surprise DT Amobi Okoye leaves for #Bucs on 1-yr deal for $1.3 million. That's fraction less than #Bears paid him in '11."

    How is this even humanly fucking possible? To your point, we paid whitebread S #4 how much more than that? Jesus man. He obviously felt slighted and just wanted the fuck out. Whatinthefeck emery!?!? -1 point for you. You better have a plan at DE dude, do NOT fuck this up.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I don't get Okoye's departure at all - unless Emery is absolutely keyed in on somebody at DT in the draft. There must be something about the Bucs offer that we would not match.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    all I know is that I'm giving him till the 3rd game of the season to have all of his ducks in a row before I give him a final season 1 grade.

    By that time we better (in this order):

    1. Have bolstered the oline with at LEAST a very good longer-term replacement for fuckstick webb at LT. And at most, also have acquired a young bad ass center.

    2. Have a starting-caliber DE that can get upwards of 8 sacks opposite pep this year and create some optys for the rest of the line. Someone young and consistent (basically the opposite of 71)

    3. Have a FS that doesn’t have to line up in the stands to be ‘good’. Even better would be a young, franchise option that can truly finally be a Mike Brown replacement (and I won’t hear any heresy about mike brown’s career… daaaave!)

    4. Have a viable replacement for lach… even if he’s a 1-2 year project before he gets serious playing time. I just want his apprentice who we KNOW can take over in 1 or 2 years.

    Nice to haves:

    - Another young, big, fast option at WR to be #2 and to take over for BM when he retires in 10 years
    - Another young back up RB
    - Get fucking ride of hoke and drake…. Today!

    Thaaaaank you saaaanta!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I was thinking about that the other day.

    If we get rid of Hoke and Drake, why do we keep Tice?

    Tice hasn't developed any good o-line guys yet and I know a lot of will say "He hasn't had anyone good to coach up yet and he just got here" but that is the problem.

    Has Drake or Hoke had anyone good that they had a sure chance at developing? Just an idea.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Maybe Okoye just ain't no good, eh?

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    That's what I was thinking. I mean, to ME he looked good in limited action and got penetration.

    But maybe Marinelli and gang told Emery he's a "low priority".

    The fact that he only received a cheap 1 yr deal only reinforces this idea. That means that every other team more or less concluded Okoye wasn't all that.

    Sometimes the NFL defies my own judgment and makes me question my sanity lol

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Reg fight. Mwah! And leave off my new buddy, mang!

    The thread was getting boring after Jimmy fixed it ....

    If the boys liked Okoye that much they wouldn't have let him walk for peanuts.

    Wait, hold on, there's somebody at the door ..........

  • agree irish.... there HAD to be something up with him. Can't believe that emery would let him walk for that much without some reason. I think it's very possible okoye selt slighted and just said fuck you, I don't want to play here any more no matter what. And of course Emery had to hold his ground or look weak, and he can't afford that right now.

    Fuck, who knows.

  • I know everyone is going to flip out on this..

    Pretty sure Lovie and Rod like Paea a lot... like Melton and Paea as starters a lot.

    Thus, why we let Okoye go. Unless we draft some in lower rounds or pickup a random DT. Expect those guys to be your starters.

  • So who do we have left at DT?

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Big Toe and some guy named Jordan Miller.

  • I would think Toe and Melton are more likely to start.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Depends on who we draft and how well Paea does in the Preseason.

  • Would Poe be a reach ? 346lbs, 4.87 40 time. Surely he's got to be double-teamed every play. We pick up some value DE later on, then either Pep or Poe has to get through, right?

    Compare him with Suh :

    Suh Poe

    Wt: 307 346

    Ht: 6'3 1/2 6'3 1/2

    40: 5.03 s 4.87s

    Bench: 32 44

    Draft : R1 2nd R1 20-30th

    Isn't he a steal at 19 ?

  • No because his tape does not compare to Suh's and his tape is okay.

  • Seriously, look at this. His 40 run. Maybe this is what went into the Pentagon. Keuchly's gone by 19. We draft Ingram, he's a good-sized OLB, too short for an end. I could get hard for Dontari Poe.

    http://www.sportsgrid.com/nfl/dontari-poe-40-video/

  • Ingram will not fall to us and if he does, someone needs to check his health and tape three times.

    Yes he is an athletic fat guy but just because he ran a 40 faster than most fat guys doesn't mean he will pressure the QB better or beat blockers.

  • There isn't a great deal on youtube for Mr. Poe. What there is just shows him constantly being doubled - which is exactly what we want isn't it? At 346 the boy can still move. His ability to play football almost becomes irrelevant when you're gig and quick. If they double him and Pep that leaves one O-lineman and a TE to block our DT and other DE. Blitz a linebacker or DJ and it's back to the eighties.

    Do we want Detroit or GB getting this guy?

  • Double teamed on every play? Come on man, he hasn't played 1 down in the NFL. And he wasn't exactly dominant in college. Workout warrior, pool jumber, and i bet he eats himself out of the league ala Fridge. Fatty Fatty Fat Fat.

  • Paea was damn good with a dumbbell, or wait, I mean barbell.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    I thought Paea came on in the last part of the season. I thought he showed enough that I'm actually feeling pretty good about him.

  • Crunch, there was no reply button on your post above ... but that's exactly it man, some don't have the heart to look in to certain things because they fear what they may find and the can of worms that opens up. It's scary. I can only go back to it after four years of thinking 'WTF?'

    In the 9/11 Commission report, there was not one reference made - not one - to the collapse of building seven. Incredible.

  • Nothing wrong with looking into things Irish. Just don't be one of these whacho's that overlook the hard facts while doing so. I think it's quite plausible that the govt may have chosen to omit some mistakes they made in reacting to this crisis but to suggest that Bin Laden had nothing to do with 911 is ridiculous.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    That's the thing Trac, I'm not jumping to conclusions, I merely want answers like a lot of people. For example, it doesn't look like a 757 went into the pentagon - that doesn't mean American forces attacked it, it just means that perhaps they're not being truthful about what did, that's all. And why is it ridiculous to suggest that Bin Laden had nothing to do with it - not that I am - but they didn't exactly provide the evidence did they?

    Again, they're just questions, no need to be afraid of questions.

  • Again, if you want to understand Bin Laden, read "Ghost Wars"...just the first several chapters should do it.

  • I don't fear what I'll find, Irish. I already believe people are capable of any evil plot conceivable. But I know I won't find anything definitive in the wreckage of the towers. I'm not willing to waste time on it. Been there, done that; won't do it again.

    I'm glad there are those who are willing. Hope y'all find a smoking gun, if it exists. It might, who knows?

    I shouldn't have posted that comment past the reply limit. Reposting it here:
    =====================
    I don't reject conspiracy theories out-of-hand. Nor do I believe in the Great Non-Conspiracy Theory, the one that states conspiracies are impossible because people can't keep their yaps shut.

    That's crap. Large groups - military, governmental, criminal, corporate, etc. - successfully carry-out complex, long-term operations all the time. If the attack on 9/11 was carried-out by a terrorist group, is that not an example of a successful conspiracy?

    I don't want to "live in the other world" either. But I don't have the heart to look into 9/11. I know it will end in frustration.

    Whether 9/11 was a Reichstag event or not, it was. There was a widespread conspiracy by the Cheney administration to use it to their own ends. It was highly successful.

    So as far as I'm concerned, there were two 9/11's - the one that happened, and the one that it became. The first one might as well never have happened. The second is a true conspiracy.

    These are not the droids you seek - Dearth Cheney.

    ====================

  • Right - I'm scared.
    You believe that a hidden cabal rules the world and I'm the one lacking mental fortitude.

    NIST did detailed engineering examinations of every building that fell on 9/11. If you actually wanted to research it, the material is out there.
    But it would conflict with your desire to find a conspiracy at work rather than the banal explanation that it was a poorly designed building and experienced structural failures due to that shoddy engineering and an immense kinetic force exerted on it when it's sister buildings collapsed.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I remember reading something a number of years ago about world events. And the conundrum was do you believe that the vagaries of history are more likely caused by essentially random acts, or by concerted efforts of powerful people.

    The answer, it seems, is a combination of the two. And the problem is that it is very hard for non-participants to know which is which. And that is a bit scary.

    Also years ago, a stupid pop song came out that made someone a lot of money. It was called (I think) "Don't worry, be happy." Back then, I ridiculed it. But as life progresses, it becomes wiser and wiser to me.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    I just frankly don't believe in "hidden" cabals when there are so many out there in daylight.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    I think that answer is absolutely correct.
    Accidents and agendas mingle together in the soup of humanity to form history.

    Enjoying a book right now called "The Decline and Fall of the British Empire" - I think you'd like it if you haven't read it yet.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    You remind me of my big brother, MBHap.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    Or do you mean Big Brother?
    Eh, eh, knowhatImean, what, what?

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Ya got me. I just wanted to remind you of Mr. Orwell.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Here's the direct link to a multitude of information from NIST on the accident studies.
    And as I said, NIST does not f-ck around. They are impartial, scientific and serious as a heart attack.

    http://www.nist.gov/el/disasterstudies/wtc/wtc_meetings.cfm

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Appreciate the link, thanks.

    Don't know how they'd refute this though. Found this slowed down footage of the Pentagon strike. I can't say if it's the tip of a Tomahawk or not but it certainly isn't a 757.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=mRK8QFvXyfE

  • Do you know how big the Pentagon is and how big a tomahawk is?
    BTW, you can clearly discern the cockpit windows in that video, in spite of the fact it's shitty CCTV running at a low frame-rate.
    Worst piece of "evidence" you've put out so far, because there is no doubt that's a large commercial jet.

  • Here's an article about Poe from ESPN's site;

    http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2012/story/_/id/7774946/2012-nfl-draft-memphis-tigers-dt-dontari-poe-races-charts

  • Irish, read up. Wow, jimmy only responds to niceness. Pussy.

    Wouldn't it be much easier to just fix the fucking code once and for all? Weird.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    You and Shady down for some halalalalalalalal this evening? My Easter festivities are over, including a nice solitary nap on the beach after reading some history.
    It's good to live near the water - except during hurricane season I guess.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Be nice be nice. It's so hard.

    If Jeff was in charge, you could call him every name in the book.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Nope, not true MB. I respond to everything you guys say, and if you don't believe me ask Jeff. But thanks for calling me a pussy.

  • In reply to Jimmy Greenfield:

    Common maing. That was obviously a joke.

    You haven't read much of my stuff; I am a prick, but 99% of it is tongue in cheek. And you’ve become a little bit of the butt of the joke and target of bug frustration around here. Don’t take it personally… you’re just a small avatar and handle. None of us know you or have ever really spoken to you. I’m sure you’re a fabulous guy in real life.

    I haven’t ever seen you fix the blog or respond before btw. I was going to ask about the bug, but never mind. As long as you’re responsive to fixing it when it happens, that will be cool.

    … jesus… fine…. And thank you for responding and fixing the issue Jimmy. I (and the guys) do appreciate it.

    (See, I not a total dick all the time. And I thought the video of kate upton in a fucking skimpy bunny outfit would have been enough of a thank you)

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I'm

  • In reply to Jimmy Greenfield:

    Is that true, Jeff?

    Does he say nice things about us, or call us a bunch of assholes, or something similar?

  • In reply to Jimmy Greenfield:

    Jimmy, if some of the basic issues with format and function of the blog had been addressed in the lengthy stay at ChicagoNow, I'm sure your reception would be much friendlier.
    But hey, it is what it is. Thanks for fixing it this time.

  • Dontari Poe will be a colossal bust. He is huge but it's because he is a 285lb lineman trapped in a huge fat 345lb body. Huge fat legs and a disproportionately small upper body...comparatively speaking.

    BJ Rajii is a huge fat motherfucker but he's a badass motherfucker with an attitude and is huge all over not just where the bbq and fruit loops stick to him.

    Emery fucked up by not showing respect to Okoye. Paea will be better this year since he will be further from the injury but it is a huge mistake letting him go.

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    I don't have any idea if he will be any good or not. I'm always leery of workout warriors. If you look at the pics on ESPN his upper body looks pretty massive to me. I think he'll be gone by the time we pick. I have no idea about any of these guys. I'm OK with whoever they draft as long as they don't suck.

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    44 reps, it not like he's a weed, not that drawing comparisons to Paea's 49 would do anything for him ...

  • Dontari Poe is a "boom or bust" prospect - more or less the defensive equivalent of Stephen Hill.

    His combine numbers are off the charts for someone his size. The numbers to look at for DTs (besides bench)

    Poe's Bench: 44 reps

    3 cone drill (tests a big man's agility and ability to be nimble when blocked)

    Poe's 3cone drill: 7.90

    Broadjump (is supposed to test a linemen's explosion and violence)

    Poe's BJ: 8'9"

    40yd dash 4.98

    Here's what NFL.com says.

    "Strengths Poe has a serious ability to eat up a double team. Strong lower body so that he can stabilize his position. His athletic ability and quickness force the use of a double team, and he can wreak havoc around the ball. Poe uses his strong hands to keep defenders at bay and throw them around to create opportunities. He is a consistent defender who combines size, strength, athletic ability, and the understanding of what it takes inside for himself and those around him to do their job.
    Weaknesses Poe can't do much else besides be an effective lane-clogger within the right scheme. He doesn't have the versatility to move outside to end in a 3-4, a trend that has been seen from many teams who like to get girth and athleticism on the edge of their line. He is not very quick off the ball, and although he is a good athlete for his size, he could struggle to create "splash" plays for himself early on at the next level, where he will likely be facing double teams and much stronger interior offensive lineman."

    http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/dontari-poe?id=2533435

  • In an ideal world, Poe would work out for us. Imagine our interior DTs who can bench 44 and 49 reps of 225 and are a combined weight of 650 pounds. That would be a very hard line to move.

    However, numbers aren't everything. We drafted Paea because of his numbers, and not his tape, and he's still an unknown.

    Many of the same arguments made for Paea are made for Poe. Namely, he didn't produce much because he was consistently doubled.

    I think Poe is too much of a risk at #19 (just like Hill), esp for us since he's projected more as a 3-4 NT or even 3-4 end.

  • That's a strange negative, "He doesn't have the versatility to move outside to end in a 3-4". Doesn't affect us then, take up a double-team in the middle and we're good.

  • It's the nose tackle projection that creates the issue. A 4-3 DT is expected to create pass-rush pressure on his own by getting through his gap, not lining up on the Center, and that requires shedding blockers, not just occupying them with bulk.
    Think Casey Hampton vs. Tommie Harris.

  • Jay Cutler ‏ @JayCutler6
    Packer fans! You guys are funnyRT @JLD_92: @JayCutler6 Why are you such a fucking hateful person?

  • nice piece on LTs...

    "Take a quick look around the league — of the 32 players that would start at left tackle if the season started today, 75 percent (24 out of 32) of those players were drafted in the first (18) or second round (six). One is a third-rounder, two came out of the fourth round, one was picked in the fifth round and another in the seventh. Three were not drafted."

    http://www.profootballweekly.com/2012/03/29/revisiting-the-first-round-ot-class-of-2008

  • http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/chi-forte-not-expected-for-start-of-bears-offseason-workouts-20120409,0,4311309.story

    Without signing franchise tender or long-term deal, Matt Forte cannot show for #Bears offseason prog starting next Mon

  • This shouldn't alarm anyone Artoo. It's not unusual for players in Forte's position to wait until mandatory practice starts before signing their deals.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    Forte will be in shape when he shows up. Every year he seems to be even more chiseled. Once the money is on the line he'll be there.

  • i.e. this is one position where using "project players" almost never works out.

    Yet... we have a project at LT. Great.

  • CanadaDry sayz:

    I thought Paea came on in the last part of the season. I thought he showed enough that I'm actually feeling pretty good about him.

    The only thing Flatbread came on was his girlfriend. Come on, d00d.

    Flatbread is Zorich-redux. His best attributes are the angled rush, he's quick off the ball and any attempts to trap him are likely failures.

    However, he can pancaked faster than Aunt Jemima. He cannot take on double teams, and he's easily moved out of the way and is poor against stuffing the run, which is what the RT *must* do in Lovie's scheme.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Let's go over the three best players to recently play RT in Lovie's scheme:

    1. Ted Washington
    2. Keith Traylor
    3. Anthony Adams

    Past that, you have to go to pre-shotgun in the trunk Tank Johnson to get a really effective DT in that spot.

    If you lined those three up, they would look like refrigerator perry's family.

    Players who have not been in this mold, have been poor players in Lovie's scheme. Ian Scott, Toe (who is much better at 3-tech), Marcus Harrison, Mario Addison, Jimmy Kennedy. The list goes on.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I was referring to DT not specifically RT. Also, weren't Ted and Tractor during the Jauron era? I thought Lovie sent them packing because they didn't fit his system. Don't get me wrong, I'm not opposed to a huge run stuffer but that hasn't been Lovie's MO. Will Paea be any good this year? Who knows? I don't and you don't. You've hated him since you saw him get blown out early in the year (when he was still banged up). Late in the year he was a different player. We'll see.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Ok, I will go into pre-season with an open mind.

    But he didn't JUST get blown out, he was ROADKILL.

    Even later in the season, they had him shifting pre-snap a lot trying to blow gaps. When I see him drive a guard into a QB's face, I will TOTALLY eat crow. I'm not going to hold my breath though.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Fair enough. I'm not saying he's the second coming. Either the staff was happy with Toe, Melton and Paea or they really weren't happy with Okoye. When he signed with the Bucs for $1.4 mil I was very surprised.

    It would be nice if he could manhandle G's and C's but I'll be happy if he's disruptive and can get upfield while still be good at stopping the run.

  • I'm all for Brandon Thompson of Clemson in Rnd 2 at DT.

    You grabed Hightower, moved Briggs to strong side, Lack to weak side, and added Thompson, you would have a HUGE upgrade to the front 7.

    Ain't gonna happen, though. Neither Lack nor Briggs are willing to get displaced.

    Thompson is a solid 2nd round choice though.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Thank goodness, because Hightower in for Urlacher would be a serious downgrade. Assuming Brian is not crippled, that is.

  • Yes, we badly need to fix LT, DE, and then FS.

    Fix those three (and do something about a lach apprentice) and we have a SB caliber team. I will be patient with emery... until game 3.

    GP, thanks for unleashing your nightmare of a nephew on Shady and I the other day. That was a lot of fun... please don't ever do it again. I can go get killed every 2.4 seconds in public games any time I want. And I know what you're thinking... how's it feel motherfucker.

    Btw, I think I found the real meaning for Easter. Happy Easter guys: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBdWGD8F3Oo

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Hehehe. He's a14 year old stone cold killer. He's the online equivalent of Tom Hardy's character in WARRIOR. Do NOT cage match with that kid.

    He just came over for Easter. You can return to killing me.

    My nephew grabbed some footage of me playing while Shady took me through the training levels. Here it is:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdWcyi6Pj3s&feature=related

  • In reply to gpldan:

    nice.

    Wow, you're getting much better!

    (ps, didn't know you were a fucking limey)

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    And black.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7why8Xo_RQ

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Sorry, you can't be a black Englishman, anymore than you can be a white Hispanic.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    That's what Heidi Klum said.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    hee hee

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Here's some footage/audio of shady in a MW2 match we played the other day: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUXT5gCoDZY

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Here's some in-game raging from MB:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_koSROORiNE

    Kinda reminds me of this guy:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qsInqS9hYs

  • In reply to Shady:

    Ohhhhhhh heeeeeroooooooooo....

    Hahahahahahaha... aaaaawesome.

    Mel gibson is a complete nut. Actually, it reminds me more of thiiiiiiis: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRR4Ct6reDQ

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Les Grossman, classic.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Oh and things I learned from fucking up sound for a whole goddamn night:

    1. The PS Stereo Wireless headphones and the Turtle Beach headphones each have a mixing slider, that mixes game sounds and voice sounds. If you don't know the slider is there, you will probably fuck yourself as I did. Two sliders, volume AND mixing.

    2. The PS itself has a setting to de-couple sound and voice, so if you have the small bluetooth earpiece, you could make voice come through it and keep game sounds on your speakers.

    3. If you back out (quit) MW3 and come back in enough times, like I did, you will CRASH the process on your PS3 that handles voice. But nothing will tell you this. Instead, it will just appear as if nobody is talking in your games anymore. You don't hear anybody and the little speaker icon in the lobby doesn't animate when people talk. This is because, unknown to me until this weekend, the PS3 handles connecting to Sony servers to mix voice in channels somewhat independently of the game. There is no game process that mixes voice, instead the games just make API calls to the Sony system for voice, and if suddenly, no voice works in ANY game, reboot your system because your voice process crashed.

    Very frustrating lessons in fucking up the PS3. It all works now.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    well done. I am pretty amazed (despite glitches) at the system. It is fucking huge and complex. That code must be beastly.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Yes, once it all works it's pretty lag free, and sound is clear, too.

    In fucking around with all the settings, I had accidently moved the voice changer into serial killer mode. I didn't know this. I think Shady thought I might be Buffalo Bill for a while.

    "put the lotion in the basket!"

  • In reply to gpldan:

    yeah, he told me that. I had it that way at first too, but it's really hard to understand people.

  • Irish -

    Of all the conspiracy issues, the Pentagon one is the most wackadoodle. Yet it seems to be beloved my so much of the interwebberz. Can you debunk the debunk? After all, the burden of proof I think rests with you to create a plausible counter-theory, no?

    http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pentagon.asp

    Shit, I remember a report on CNN showing parts of the engine being extracted.

    Lastly, if you ascribe to the bullshit cruise missile theory, please explain what knocked over all the lamp posts and why the taxi driver describes being hit by a pole and seeing the airliner over his head (which must have scared the shit out of him)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVDdjLQkUV8&feature=related

    I mean, let's just start with this one, because this one is so very silly.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I thought Easter was over.

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    Oh, sorry. I always lose track of when Jesus died.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Undied, you mean.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    Same thing.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Today's my unbirthday.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    That was good. Made me lawls

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    Happy un-B-day!

  • In reply to gpldan:

    The worst part about the Pentagon "missile" theory to me is that it essentially denies the existence of the passengers and crew on Flight 77 who were incinerated when it hit the building. It's bad enough for their families that they died in a horrible terrorist attack. It's worse to have their entire lives and final moments turned into fodder for a myth.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Which is exactly why these things need to be investigated beyond a shadow of doubt. One has to prove it was a myth first.

    As for the light-poles knocked over ...

    Second segment down, the one that starts with ....

    "We have determined based on the Flight Data Recorder information that has been analyzed thus far provided by the NTSB, that it is impossible for this aircraft to have struck down the light poles. "

    http://pilotsfor911truth.org/pentagon.html

  • So a bad setting on the Flight Data Recorder (which is possible with an amateur idiot at the controls) trumps the GIANT AIRPLANE that hundreds if not thousands of witnesses in the buildings around the Pentagon, or watching from the cars on I-395 (which I just drove yesterday) watched plow into the Pentagon.
    This is the problem, Irish, you literally haven't read anything I passed along because it conflicts with your 'belief' of a conspiracy to, if I can piece together the nonsense:
    1) fly a commerical jet into building 2
    2) fly a military aircraft into building 1
    3) send a guided missile into the Pentagon
    4) fake a crash site in Pennsylvania for some unknown reason
    5) fake the deaths of hundreds of people involved in situations 2-4 along with the dozens of phone calls they made to their loved ones while their planes were being hijacked (you know, they do have phone records of all of those)
    6) fake literally tons of physical evidence in both locations
    7) buy off or coerce hundreds of investigators and thousands of expert examiners of crash sites, the military, FBI, CIA, NIST, NTSB, tens of thousands of eyewitnesses
    8) physically alter mountains of paperwork that debunk many of the claims made in your pet documentary
    9) beat Bin Laden to the punch, since he'd already tried once, stated repeatedly what his end goal of attacking America was, and tried again later
    ....all for the purpose of what?
    I mean, do you literally put this together and go, yep, conspiracy? It's incoherent!

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    No discussions, no 'official' reports (Warren commission ring a bell?), just plain old video evidence.

    Here it is, slowed down and blown up.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsWZHKIg3Cs&feature=related

    If it's not a missile, what is it? Because it's quite obviously not a 757.

  • How you look at that and do not see the nose of a commercial jet, I have no idea. I really don't.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I'm not jumping to any conclusions GP, there's just a few thing things that don't add up. There's nothing strange about flight 93. Stuff was said about cell phones not operating at that height, but they have card phones on board etc. But for the life of me I cannot figure how a 757 went into the little hole they said it did and the engines magically disappeared, that's all.

    In the clip you posted of those faux-looking 'engine parts' presented as such at 5:05, Rolls Royce have already said that they are not parts of their engines. Turbofans are at least 7 feet wide, considerably bigger than whatever is shown in the photo. Also, they would not be conveniently placed beside one another after impacting a building at 500mph

    This is the only released footage of a the 'plane' hitting the Pentagon:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PsEWyrKQqw
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaCaldJGjmo

    That could be anything. Why? It's perhaps the most CCTV covered building on the planet, yet that's the only footage they release from two cameras? One thing jumps at me, it's travelling very very fast, and far too low and precise to be a jetliner, that thing is coming in on a ground-parallel attitude like a bullet, much more akin to that of a missile or soemthing of that nature.

    Flight plaths, reports etc. are just smoke and mirrors. For me, the assessment of the American association of civil engineers was debunked in 'In Plane sight' - what they said happened about a plane destroying the 50 structures inside the ring just could not happen. This was not a massive titanium flechette hitting a building, it was allegedly a plane - which becomes a very very fragile thing upon impact. Show us the footage from other angles so we can slow it down and see what happened. There are a lot of people who just want to see a plane hitting a building so we can all get on with our lives and not have these questions lingering.

    I cannot reproduce the documentary on here verbally. It's called 'In Plane sight' and shocked me greatly when I saw it repeatedly four years ago to the point where I could only revisit it now. If the onus is on 'truthers' to provide the burden of proof, it's in there. I can't make people watch it, and if they don't want to take 72 minutes out of their lives and just look at it objectively with their own eyes. The Pentagon part is about 22 minutes, there's even less excuse. It really is a heinous cop-out for anyone to say that there's tons of evidence and testimony supporting the officail strory when they won't take 20 minutes to see something with their own eyes just because their brain has already jumped ahead to the consequences, knows they won't like it and thus ignore it.

    Loose Change is also an excellent presentation, although some may find the narrator annoying. IPS is presented calmly and clearly, and it's left up to you.

    Take 20 minutes out and review the Pentagon piece at the beginning, and tell me all the questions have been answered. All of that day's events were connencted, they were not coincidences. If there was a cover-up with one, then all the dominos fall, and the shit must hit the fan.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igX7Z8VstN4

  • 6:51 eyewitness : "It was like a cruise missile with wings ...."

    I guess that could have knocked over a few lamp-posts.

  • I guess a TOEFL should understand what a simile is.

    Evidently not.

  • Security cameras are not very common on military bases. Believe it or not, places where generals, admirals and high ranking government officials discuss top secret information about national defense are not very well documented. Today I have seen more signs saying you are not allowed to take pictures than security cameras. I've seen less cameras on base than briefings where you have to surrender your cellphone at the door and have your security clearance verified prior. OPSEC is a huge deal to the military.

  • You're a fucking lunatic.
    First, there wasn't enough physical evidence for you, the expert crash site investigator and aeronautical engineer, at the Pentagon site. Now, there's too much evidence.
    Then you wantonly ignore the literal mountains of physical, photographic, eyewitness testimony, modeling, criminal investigative, and historical data that support the reality of the situation because you saw an internet video.
    Do you know how illogical you are being when you are in the moment?

  • #1 - do you know what an APU is? How it works? And what size it is relative to a full size turbine engine?
    #2 - The picture you are referring to as "too small" is that of a Honeywell APU turbine, which is why the Rolls Royce spokesman couldn't identify it as a Rolls Royce engine - BECAUSE IT ISN'T ONE. It is the engine on every 757 that powers the aircraft's subsystems when not drawing power from the main engines.
    BTW, not that it's relevant because this particular aircraft did use the Rolls Royce engines for it's main thrust, but other 757s in the American Airlines fleet use P&W engines.
    It's not what you're thinking of as an engine as all.

    Size of the hole versus the aircraft?
    The hole is some 16 feet tall.
    The fuselage of a 757 is somewhat smaller than that, approx. 12-13 feet. The plane was travelling at high speed and bouncing along the ground in its final moments, carrying lots of explosive jet fuel, which you see when it explodes on impact.

    Next?
    Here's a list of facts confirming the event:
    Size of 757 matches the initial size of hole in the building - somewhere between 13 and 16 feet (757 is 13 feet wide/high)
    Rims found in building match those of a 757
    Small turbine engine outside is an APU
    Same engine has been clearly stated to not match a Global Hawk engine
    Blue seats from 757 laying on ground in photos
    Part of "American" fuselage logo visible in more than 1 photo
    Engine parts photographed inside match a Rolls-Royce RB211
    Structural components photographed in wreckage match Boeing paint primer schemes
    Large deisel generator in front of building hit by a large heavy object
    Large deisel engine outside is spun towards the building - could not be result of bomb blast or missile explosion
    Multiple eye witnesses say they saw an airliner
    Multiple eye witnesses say they saw an airliner hit the Pentagon
    60+ bodies, matching the passenger list and flight crew roster identified and returned to families from Pentagon wreckage

  • Sirius called out all of Floyd's upcoming team workout appointments. To no surprise, Chicago was not one of them. I would be shocked if the Bears took him even if he fell to them in the 2nd round.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    Everything I've been reading makes it sound like Floyd will be off the board long before we pick.

  • Goodell upholds penalties in Saints bounty case:

    "In addition to upholding Payton's suspension, which begins next Monday and runs through the Super Bowl - in New Orleans next season - Goodell also upheld suspensions of eight games for general manager Mickey Loomis and six games for assistant head coach Joe Vitt, along with a $500,000 fine for the franchise and the loss of second-round draft picks this year and next."

    http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/F/FBN_SAINTS_BOUNTIES?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    I saw that. It may be time for the return of the Aint's don't ya think.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    Ain'ts. Taints. Cain'ts.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    That appeal made no sense. Appeal to the guy who found you guilty and determined your punishment? It's not like Goodell just woke up one day and decided to punish them. They had been investigating off and on for 3 years and these guys all lied to him numerous times. DUH!

    It would be the same as a criminal saying to the judge, "Are you really, really sure that's what you want to do?"

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Canada, I think that appeal had more to do with $$$$ and their draft picks. I think I read somewhere that Goodell may very well ease up on the draft pick penalty.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    I think the appeal had more to do with buying time. Payton wanted to get as much time with the team with the team.

    Also, he had nothing to lose.

    I wish Goodell would have said, "You CAN appeal it, but if you lose, the penalty could be more severe". Kinda like court. If you take the plea bargain, it saves everyone time and money. If you decide to take it to the jury, the system will try to fuck you.

  • Oh shit. Just what he needs. Fuck. http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/jim-mcmahon-named-bank-fraud-case-just-one-172358322.html

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    He's only one of 19 principals on the board and one of seven board members.

    I hate shit like that. Press makes it sound like he is being sued. The bank is being enjoined in a suit, which means the board has to answer for all the shitty loans they made.

    Here's Jimmy Mac's typical FU response:

    "With the advantage of 20-20 hindsight, the FDIC now blames Broadway's former officers and directors for not anticipating the same unprecedented market forces that also surprised central bankers, national banks, economists, major Wall Street firms and the regulators themselves.
    "I am proud to have served as an outside, independent director for a brief part of the bank's history. The allegations in the complaint are utterly without merit, and I expect to be fully vindicated."

    You get em Jimbo.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Not buying it GP. Every banker that got caught with their hand in the cookie jar (sub prime housing bubble)knew that they were going against everything they learned when they took finance 101 in college. I don't like the defense that everyone else was doing it. Greed got the better of them.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    McMahon knew the moment he sat down at the 19th hole with Alexi Giannoulias and ordered an Old Style (on tap), that he was swimming with sharks.

    But also, here's kind of how this deal works: Alexi says "hey this my bank. you sit on the board, your name brings in clients and notoriety, maybe we can lend money to something you are interested in, you don't really have to show up, you'll get some papers each month on prospective loans, you just sign them."

    And a lot of athletes take that deal.

    Giannoulias is the former State of Illinois treasurer. Everyone who knows Chicago knows what kind of guy this is, but for a n00b, it seems like the guy is untouchable. This is all pre-Blago arrest, mind you.

    Jimmy green lighted ONE of the bad loans, a Florida Condo deal they put $29M in and lost $18 of it.

    Guess what? Florida's condo market went over the cliff faster than Tommie Harris' dominance post knee injury.

    I'm saying saying Jimmy is the brightest blub on the block here, kids. I'm saying he's probably a bit of a rube and he's only one of 7 guys on that board and any decent motherfucker of a journalist would name all seven by name, instead of just the one that played football.

    Ok, off the soap box. Seems pretty worn these days...

  • In reply to gpldan:

    GP, Broadway bank is the epitome of everything that was wrong with banking and it finally caught up with them. On the commercial side they would purposefully lend money to struggling business owners who owned the buildings they worked in knowing fully well the businesses would not survive and they could take over the property for 40-60cents on the dollar.....ooops but then property values fell off the table and they couldn't handle the tax payments on the glut of properties they had amassed nor could they rent/sell them out since no one really opened viable businesses or rented commerical space in the last couple of years. At the same time all of the speculative commercial real estate investments they made got rocked and poof, there it all went.

    Greek chicago powerbrokers mang....

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    I know, I know. Alexi Giannoulias is a maggot when he's not sharking.

    Excuse me now, I'm off to get my "Free Jimmy Mac" T-shirt order in now, they might be in vogue soon and I want to corner the market.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Jimmy gets sued, the Wall Street crooks get bonuses.

  • On this topic:

    Chicago's HFT firms were (are) corrupt and dealt themselves front-runner status at the CBOE:

    http://www.suntimes.com/business/11755234-452/tense-times-at-chicagos-financial-exchanges.html

    In other news, the Easter Bunny comes on Easter and the Texans are called the Texans because Houston is a city in Texas (thank you Marcus Allen).

  • Wow, I fuck off for one weekend and this turns into a 9/11 conspiracy site? Holy shit Irish, I think you're on to something with all of your "questions" I'm pretty sure it was the Easter bunny, in the study, with the candlestick.

  • Col Mustard better have a good alibi.

  • An interesting "Reader Mock Draft" on Walter Football with some good arguments for different players.

    "Chicago Bears: Kendall Wright, WR/KR, Baylor

    Kendall Wright: 25.6% of votes
    Cordy Glenn: 24.2%
    Whitney Mercilus: 11.5%
    Stephen Hill: 10.2%
    Michael Brockers: 7.1%
    Mark Barron: 4.9%
    Peter Konz: 4.5%
    Nick Perry: 4.1%
    Coby Fleener: 4.0%
    Stephon Gilmore: 4.0%
    Total votes: 2,299

    Jon G: People seem to forget how badly the Bears need pass rush from their defensive end spot opposite Julius Peppers. Perry probably presents the best option to fill that need, and he could step in right away on passing downs. Don't be surprised by Brockers either; the Bears have lost depth on their interior defensive line this offseason while they may not be able to retain Henry Melton in the near future.

    Timothy S: Cordy Glenn will be the pick. The Bears REALLY need to protect Cutler.

    Damien R: Bears already said they're content with their offensive line, this coming year it will look A LOT better since Martz isn't going to be calling 7 step drops with no choice of audibles for Cutler. They're going to go WR here IMO because Kendall Wright is going to be the best player on the board at 19, and he'll have a better rating than any defensive player there too (not if Coples falls)

    Nick R: I think they will pick Cordy Glenn. The Bears only lineman with potential is Gabe Carimi but he can't stay off the injured list. H could easily replace Edwin Williams or Chris Spencer.

    Kyle M: At this juncture, the Bears need offensive line help. Bad. Glenn could be used in many different ways.

    Nathan T: Does anyone remember the midseason game versus the Vikings? Cutler single-handedly won that game by throwing while backpedaling. They have to protect him if they want the Marshall trade to do anything for their Superbowl hopes.

    Rob N: The Bears have got to go offensive line with a couple of picks in this years draft to "try" and "protect" Jay Cutler. Thus this selection is the athletic Cordy Glenn.

    Doug M: I voted for Mercilus. I think at this point, a pass rusher provides much more value than a guard regardless of the need on the line. Also, the Bears most likely have decent scouting on him given he played just down the road in Champaign.

    Jonathan M: I'm thinking Wright. They're largest need is offensive line I would think, but then I realized they've been neglecting that area for a while now so why would they stop now. Plus, Kendal Wright reminds me of a rich man's Eddie Royal. Cutler made Royal look really good when he was in Denver.

    Steve P: The Bears haven't spent a first round pick on a defensive player since Tommie Harris in 2004. It's time to stop investing in right tackles, and get an elite player on defense who was born after 1981. I imagine Chicago would love to see Fletcher Cox here after moving on from Anthony Adams and Amobi Okoye. However, Whitney Mercilus is an ideal fit for the Tampa-2, and his stock has risen to the point of need meeting value. Also, new GM Phil Emery has a history with first round defensive ends (Jamaal Anderson with the Falcons, Glenn Dorsey and Tyson Jackson with the Chiefs).

    Jason F: Now that Mike Martz is gone I really can't see the Bears passing up on Coby Fleener. They now have their #1 receiver in Brandon Marshall so I can't see them drafting another one in the first round. Mike Tice is going to utilize the TE and as of right now the Bears have no legitimate threat at the TE position.

    http://walterfootball.com/draft2012reader_1.php

  • Cordy Glenn is a swing lineman. Omlette pt 2?

    Unless you HONESTLY think Cookie is going to make the grade at LT, I can't see this guy being a NFL LT.

    Most astute comment is that Emery likes DE/DT in the 1st Rnd.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Here's a nice little article with some vid on Cordy Glenn. He's shooting up a lot of mock drafts (like I said a month ago, some think he's better than DeCastro). But I'm not about to pretend I'm an expert in predicting offensive linemen. People who do that for a living are often very wrong.

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1138034-georgia-ol-cordy-glenn-could-break-into-the-2012-nfl-drafts-top-ten-picks

  • Glenn does look like a beast. I honestly don't know if the guy can handle the Peppers of the world, or what his feet are really like. But his size is mammoth.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    From the vid I saw, Glenn to me actually looked better at LT than LG. Sounds crazy, but he mirrored better than he mauled.

    But at 19 - that's very iffy. That's when we have to turn over our judgement to Emery and Tice.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I think they've pretty much said they're not going OL in the first, and that if Webb isn't the man, then somebody else will step in. DE/DT for me too. Perry as the end, or Cox/Poe as the DT. Then they can go OL in the second for depth or get that 6'4 receiver Reuben Randle, he might even drop to the third.

  • what the fuck are some of these people smoking... a fucking TE in rd 1? jesus christopher.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Well if he's the best player available...

    Serisously, didn't we discuss this yesterday, or was that Doc?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I know. The only thing that could appraoach that is drafting Kendall Midget.

  • I'm still hoping for a miracle and we end up with Keuchly.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    I just have this feeling he is going to be the best MLB over the next 12-15 years. And those guys need to play their home games at Soldier Field.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    Completly agree.

    Kuechly racked up nearly 500 tackles. That's nuts. On top of that, He's 6'3 240ish and ran in the 4.5s.

    Production. Athleticism. Instincts. Leadership. Size.

    He's a no brainer at 19. Hopefully, The Ghost of Halas works Radio Hall...

  • 516 total tackles in 3 years. He'd be easy to pick if he fell that far.

  • https://twitter.com/#!/ErikGrogan/status/189446689780801536/photo/1

  • lucky dog. enjoy erik. Make us proud.

    (for me... walk up to forte and just bitch slap him ((backhanded) across the face. Then just raise your eyebrows and point right in his face.... paaaaaaaaauuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuse.... then slowly walk away. He'll understand)

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Good advice. I would totally do that.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    If that is the case, I don't want to know what you want me to do for Major Wright or Conte.

  • Ask Conte if he will grade your math paper.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    just ask conte to suck your dick

  • You've totally got to stick your camera down Pringle's jocks and get some proof. Can you get some video of you asking Webb what it's like to be the worst tackle in the NFL? And ask Urlacher what it's like being a gay man in the league. And go up to Izzy and ... are you writing all this down Artoo?

  • Way to go Super. We expect a full report.

  • Improvement from within!??!?! This better fucking be propaganda...

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-spt-0408-offensive-line-bears-chicago--20120408,0,1020491.story

    "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."

    ~ Albert Einstein

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    "With pretty much the same blockers, minus Omiyale, can the line be better in 2012?

    Probably.

    First, the sacks didn't pile up last season until after Cutler went out with the thumb injury in Week 10. He was sacked 23 times in 10 games, which put the Bears on pace for a manageable number of 37. Cutler was sacked only five times in his last five games.

    When Caleb Hanie entered, chaos ensued. He was sacked 19 times in four games before being benched, and Josh McCown was sacked seven times in the season finale against the Vikings in Minnesota."

    It's true. Chaos did insue once Culter went down (and a few other Olinemen).

    However, that's one hell of a gamble. The article is right about one thing though. It's very hard to get a top LT at 19 and a bit too high for interior linemen.

  • uuuughhhh... how the fuck are we expected to get one then? Let's sign jason peters now for next year. ha!

    Hey mang, not that GP is on with us, you have to as well. Common, just have one... the first one's free anyway. common maaaaan.... doooo itttt. it won't hurt you, it's just once.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    now, now that

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    What we need to do is draft an LT in the 2nd-3rd round and groom him for like a year or two. A guy like Nate Potters or Zebrie Sanders.

    Guys like Joe Thomas who can instantly come in and start and be effective are very rare.

    And yes, I might be joining you guys and officially getting no life lol

    Are you guys still playing MW3 or something else?

  • MWtres baby.

    ALALAALALALALALALALALA!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    ...and I'm not quite sure I appreciate what you're inferring.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    http://youtu.be/9eWTmLXZ1AQ

  • Gonna be more like this my man: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gLN3QoN-q8

    (yes, it's very disturbing)

  • Our line did a great job run blocking last year, and a below average job pass protecting. I put 70% of the pass protection issues on Menza Martz. by my calculation we're all set on the line. OK, maybe not all set, but mark my words, even if we don't draft 1 o-lineman we're going to have our best line since the SB year. Martz hurt the line more than people realized.

  • I cannot believe that theory Coach. You can't take shit and then add by subtraction and end up with something better.

    I get the martz thing, I really do... I'm worried about injuries that WILL happen. I honestly don't think the BJ will last very long with that knee, and webb is just dogshit.

    I think we'd be ok with the new scheme, BM, mike bush, AND a franchise (or at least much better) LT. We have plenty of guards and I think LL did a damn good job at RT through the SD game (injured on that run-down?).

    Anyway, I think Emery will get us another LT if one can be had within our budget.

  • I'm with you there coach, some value guy in the 3rd to groom fro a while, and we'll trust Tice's product until otherwise prompted. Any incoming less-than-premier tackle could/would be a liability as a rookie, and there's nbo guarantee that Webb starts the season at LT, so there's that.

    We're built to run and I think we'll be doing that really well. As soon as they stack the box it's downtown to Mr. Marshall. Defense worries me more.

  • Ditto.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I think there is a lot of truth to the story but we still need upgrades. If the first round pick starts for us and doesn't have an injury history, I'll be happy. I rate our needs in this order; DE, LT, DT, FS, WR, LB, CB, OL and TE. We don't need another RB or QB.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    I'm this canada:

    1. OT
    2. DE
    3. FS
    4. ILB (lach apprentice)

    ... everything else is gravy and can be built in normal cycles from here on out by a smart GM who drafts well. Hopefully I just described Emery.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I'm not sold on the big need for a FS, but perhaps you are right. On the other three, I'm completely with you.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    We might need an RB ....

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8282f05e/article/matt-forte-cliff-avril-prepared-to-sit-out-otas?module=HP11_around-the-league

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    That's funny, cos Einstein kept trying to come up with the unifying theory of everything without using QM, even on his deathbed. Insane in the membrane, Al.

  • Dayum... I leave Da blog for a couple of days and ya'll go cray cray in here. Well I guess this is why we need a second football league, so folks dont go stir-crazy in the offseason hypothesizing about who may or may not be drafted and who may or may not have blown up a building or two. Give us our mindless distraction back!

  • Good wasnt it, Sac? And it's not even over, thanks to Jimmy. Doc broke the blog, Jimmy fixed the blog, I kicked the elephant, Artoo won all the competitions in the world relating to the draft, and there's still a general pastiche of draft-flavored chit chat permeating the air, summer's on the way (for countries with seasons) and everybody's feeling fairly positive about the whole thing. Tra la la la laaaaa ....

  • RIP Mike Wallace: http://www.cbsnews.com/8334-504803_162-57411009-10391709/a-look-back-at-some-memorable-mike-wallace-reports/

    I liked him.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Good thing we didn't waste a first rounder on him.

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    zing... sad... inappropriate.

    …and you’re going to hell… if you believe in that sort of thing.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Okay, I'm sorry.

    I liked the guy - he tore it up on my fantasy football squad two years ago... Got me to the championship!

    (okay, I'm done)

    (and I am probably going to hell, but not for this)

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    Hey willie...

    I was almost crying reading some of these comments: http://thebiglead.com/index.php/2012/04/09/yes-some-people-confused-mike-wallace-of-60-minutes-with-mike-wallace-of-the-pittsburgh-steelers/

    "Mike Wallace died? The Steelers are fucked"

    BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    Mwah!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Wolverine.

    Jeff tweeted that he rented The Insider to watch Christopher Plummer play Mike Wallace.

    Good movie, but Wallace didn't throw his neck on the line when Brown & Williamson tried to piss on CBS. He should have.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Not that it means anything but MW did cigarette commercials back in the day.

  • Serisously though, if we can't get a stud lineman on either side of the ball, let's get Jay a shiny new toy:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLdOzpVW4WE

  • In reply to Shady:

    oh god. please tell me you are just trying to spike my blood pressure on purpose.

    Girly thor redux. Part II

    That dude looks like he should be fixing my carburetor. Nice hair guido.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Red zone threat MB, a guy who can bust a seam and leave defenders in his fart trail.

    And yes, Greg Olsen (another 1st round pick) seemed to have a nice rapport with Jay until fuckface martz decided we needed Manumaleuna instead.

    Sure we have KD, but only on a 1 yr deal. If Fleener is the BPA or close to it, I wouldn't mind seeing drafted and catching TDs from Jay for many years to come.

  • In reply to Shady:

    Sure, I get it. I'm down... in the 3rd and we've already filled LT, DE and/or FS... AND there's no other BPA.

    I get why you want this kid maings, but we don't NEED one this year, and next year there will probably be 20 good TEs to choose from. By then, we'll have a ring and will by definition, be in a little of a D rebuilding year. Then I am down.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I wouldn't mind Ladarius Green (6'6 240) in that 3rd-4rth range.

    http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/college_player_scouting_report.html&player=38845

    Unfortunately, a lot of other teams are taking an interest.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I agree, but that's BCS (best case scenario). Lets say its not BCS and let's say the best tackles and ends are off the board. You're left with semi projects at on either side of the line and the top receivers are all taken. Enter Coby Fleener, difference maker year one. TD Fleener. Championship. Super Bowl. Power. Women. The World.

    Only for a Fleener.

  • In reply to Shady:

    "you make this point, and every girl in the free world will want you"

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_rGfgTLonU

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Yup, we might pick up a TE next year to help us with the repeat.

    (slicks back hair)

  • In reply to Shady:

    We have him dude, he's called The Beast. Thankfully Angela's gone and drafting a TE in the first is no longer a worry. Kellen's the man, he'll explode this year. In a good way, not like a shit-bomb.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    At risk of running it higher, MB, I wish we had Olsen now. Trying to cover Thor and Marshall would give teams fits. And if they did, we'd still have Earl.

    Cutler with THREE guys that he's shown NFL "chemistry" with? I'd not want to try to defend against that.

    Except there is Webb...

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    *sigh* dave.... *long, sad, drawn out siiiiiigh*

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    Dude! KD and Davis are 6 foot fucking 7! And Olsen kept leaving his panties on the floor .... it's just messy.

  • I think Davis is primed to have the best season of his career by a wide margin. He was underutilized by Martz in the passing game and the attention Marshall should draw will open things up for him underneath. He is a nightmare for any safety trying to tackle him.

  • And after listening to all the wailing and gnashing of teeth over not having a decent LT and none likely to appaer on the horizon, how about pulling the tight end and using TWO mediocre LTs simultaneously?

  • Jim Miller makes the argument that the Bears should sign TO. Yeah, I know but if the Bulls could make it work with Rodman...

    http://www.csnchicago.com/football-chicago-bears/bears-talk/TO-to-the-Bears-Not-as-crazy-as-you-woul?blockID=685878&feedID=10330

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    I'll take the #2 all-time WR over Sanzenbacher. Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?

  • OK, not that it matters but I posted the Jim Miller link at least four minutes prior to my new LT strategy. A harbinger of blog probs to come?

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    That happens all the time. Totally ruined my lame April Fools joke the other day, since it required several posts in sequence.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    That will teach you to be brief! :-)

  • Jobs got a million obits and heavy rhetoric calling him bullshit things like genius.

    This guy... got one obit.

    To the victors go the spoils.

    http://news.cnet.com/8301-10797_3-57411467-235/commodore-founder-jack-tramiel-dies-at-83/

  • In reply to gpldan:

    He's perhaps as obscure as Gary Kildall.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    My only Gary Kildall story.

    So the IBM boys go to GK's house one day to discuss having his software driving their new IBM-PC idea. The Disk Operating System. DOS. Except our boy Gary's a bit of a drug-head and his wife answers the door and says "Gary's off riding his horse".

    Bemused IBM execs aren't impressed and hastily beat their retreat. Bill Gates and his mates are sitting in their garage and hear about this, they run down the road and buy the rights to PC-DOS off a guy they know for a few thousand dollars, change a few lines of code and call it MS-DOS, flog it to IBM, and the rest is anti-open source history. A few years after that, they copy the Windows GUI off Apple who copied it off Parc-Xerox, and went on to release many crappy, buggy over-priced versions of Visual DOS, calling it Windows. Ta-daaaa!

    Next week. The mouse.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I agree GP, Jack is a fucking legend. Jobs was just an asshole that got big off the back of Wozniak.

    My first computer was an Atari 600XL, second was an 800XL, sold that and my guitar to get my C64, best games machine ever. Thank you Jack. R.I.P. man, you did good.

  • The way it seems to be shaping up, I can see these players available at the 19th pick.

    1: Glenn-OT
    2:Mercilus-DE/OLB
    3:Wright-WR
    4:KirkPatrick-CB/DB

    Of those 4 possible, who do you all like the best? I know I'll get all different answers. Seems like a good place for Emery to be actually. As the Bears can use each one and I dont think there would be too many complaints. How about this idea. Draft KirkPatrick...start him at CB opposite Peanut...then move Peanut to Safety later in the year. I remember several posters mention moving Peanut to safety a while back. Could extend his career a few more years.

  • In reply to BAM46Blitz:

    You can scratch three off, I don't think Emery is a meth-head. Is Kirkpatrick the lunatic? If he isn't the guy with off-field issues, then I'd have him from that group. Hopefully it's Kuechly/Hightower/Perry/Cox/Poe (if we can draft all five of those guys in the first I think we're good), with a 6-4 receiver/OL in the second .

  • In reply to BAM46Blitz:

    Bam, c'mon mang, this is not Madden 12 it's the NFL. You can't just move players to positions they've never played in the middle of the season like a video game. it's just silly. They just signed Hayden and Wihilte so we know they aren't going CB in the draft.

    ps - if Peanut ever played safety his shoulder would fall off on the field. Completely different position. ARRRGGHHHHHH!!!!!!!

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    +1, especially about peanut and the safety thing.

    Think we can plead angelo and the Texans will give us manning back?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    He has the athleticism, the instincts, and the build, but he's too old, too beaten up, and too long at cornerback to think he'd survive more than a month at either safety spot. His nagging injuries to the shoulders worry me enough as it is with him against Megatron. I don't want him taking even more big hits against someone like Jacobs.
    Noooope.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    it can't hurt to ask.

    "I'm sorry to bother you sir but is there any chance we can have Danieal Manning back? At the time we weren't impressed that he just couldn't pick up the new position we created.....the strongfree/cornerdime roverback....and inadvertantly gave you the best young athlete on our team who played for peanuts. We see now that he probably would be a good fit for our scheme and if you could just chalk it up to an "Angelo" and give him back that would be cool."

  • http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/chi-bears-may-relieve-hester-of-kickreturn-duties-20120409,0,4478749.story

    Huh? Eh .... hello is that the Buffalo Bills ?

    Hester + our pick for the 10th and Kuechly?

  • Uh, no.
    He wasn't the primary kick returner for large chunks of the last several seasons either.
    He's still the best punt returner of all time and the story states that isn't changing. He IS our punt returner.
    Trade the GOAT for 9 spots in the draft? I don't think so.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Weems is good, and more importantly, necessary given the injury to Knox, but I don't see gutting our Special Teams game for 9 spots when there are plenty of good options at 19, even if Keuchly is gone.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Hester is a special punt return man, and a pretty good kick return man. But kick returns, esp. with a short field, now that's become (ironically) the place defenders can tee up on your head.

    Moving the tee was stupid. The IDEA was, concussions are caused by people hitting each other at speed, so put everyone closer together and people won't be moving as fast when they collide.

    This will be remembered as laughable NFL logic in 10 years. All that happens is that defenders get there faster and tee up kill shots easier. In FACT, the right thing to do would have been to move the tee BACK to the 30, OPEN the field more, because on these great long returns, almost nobody is clobbering anybody, every defender is trying to get the world class speed guy to the ground and get AROUND the blocker, not knock him senseless.

    So, basically, while I want the game to have fewer concussions, this has to be one of the dumbest ways to do it. After watching the Giants tee up TWICE on that poor 49er who fumbled twice in the playoffs last year, that sealed the deal for me.

    So take Hester off KR, just leave him on punts where he can make his own call on fair catch.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Yep, I agree with everything as stated.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    In case this got buried in the schmozzle above, tell me what you see from about 45 seconds in.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsWZHKIg3Cs&feature=related

    I'll leave it at that. The blog will break right about now anyway.

  • I've already responded twice - you just sent me video of a large commercial aircraft running into the Pentagon. You can see the goddamn windows on the cockpit.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I need to get my eyes checked then.

    Okay, back to football, I feel that Pats trade in my waters, they need Floyd.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    If you do what some have, and infer the actual dimensions of the object on the right (the 757) versus the Pentagon that it's about to hit, using the entirety of the picture and the objects in it, it's also pretty clearly way, way, way too big to be a missile (unless it's something like an Atlas rocket...which even more than the idea of a tomahawk, defies all rationale thought).
    I didn't follow exactly what picks you wanted for which of ours?
    Was it both of their firsts for our 19th and our 2nd rounder, straight up?
    Meh, not sure that really improves anything, and it locks in our second pick at a higher cost.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I posted the fact a few threads back GP. 40% less returns this year... that's all goodell needs to keep it.

    In his mind, that's 40% fewer optys for injured players.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I understand it was politics not science that drove that decision. Also, like you say, he's just trying to kill that part of the game off entirely.

    Just start the game with the coin toss winner going to offense on the 20, and call it a day.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    yep... man, that would suck.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    They are robbing us (more than anyone) of one of our most potent physiological and physical weapons. It’s brutal.

    Oh Oh Oh…. I got it… take hester’s averaged TD scoring on kickoffs across his career per season, and then next year every 4 or 5 games (or whatever it actually was) we just automatically get 6 points with an opty to kick the extra point to start the second half.

    Fair?

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    too bad angelo pissed Manning away for a ham samich huh, especially since he was also..... uhhhh... the only fucking FS option that ever really worked very well for Lovie across 150 fucking combinations!

    Jesus, can someone please go out to angelo's house and slap that fucking useless cunt across the face a multitude of times.

  • That's why I use Linux for as much as I can..faster..and few viruses.

  • How about trading down for the Pats' 27th and 31st picks for our 1st and 2nd round picks?

    Likely we could have two of the following guys ::

    Konz, Perry, Jerel Worhy, Chandler Jones, or a replacement for Lac in either McLellin or Hightower.

    Konz and Perry would be sweet. Garza back to RG, Louis in at LG, CW back to LT. Or Louis to RT and GC back to LT.

    Perry and Hightower - defense becomes the nuts, we pick up some OL in the third and go to battle with a strong offense AND defense.

    This is the year boys. Feel it?

  • Trade value chart says it's essentially an even trade, fwiw. I'd rather we trade up than trade down, all things being equal, as odds of finding an impact player who slipped to 19 are much higher than one slipping to 27. And two 1st rounders vs. 1 means one more guy who has a fixed salary slot under the CBA, unless I'm completely wrong.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    It seems like somebody would have to fall. Shame because there are some nice players below us like Hightower/Konz that we could snap up with a little horsetrading, then trust the boys to find the value in rounds 3-7.

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