Notion that Emery Must Target Starter at #19 is Poppycock

Notion that Emery Must Target Starter at #19 is Poppycock

NOTE: Don't forget that I'll be hosting the first ever DaBearsBlog First Round Draft Party Thursday night at Cortland's Garage in Bucktown. At the party we'll be giving away a pair of lower tier tickets for the October 28th Bears vs. Panthers game at Soldier Field. (There will also be a $25 open bar from the second the Colts go on the clock until the final pick of the round is made.) For full details on the party, CLICK HERE.


There is general opinion circulating across the Bears media landscape that Phil Emery must target a starter, an immediate contributor, with the 19th overall selection in the 2012 NFL Draft. It is poppycock. Sure every GM wants their first round pick to become a major contributor from day one. This is why they're paid so handsomely. But "targeting a starter" in the first round or any round of the draft leads to reaching on unworthy talents and Emery will not bypass players he's graded highly for a lower-rated player fitting a need. He will do what most GMs around the game do: take the best player on his board.

The reason why is simple: 2012 is not about Phil Emery. Emery will enter the coming campaign with a roster that is 88% belonging to Jerry Angelo and he will have gone through an entire off-season/draft process without his own scouting and organizational personnel in place. I don't care what he says about the talent currently assembled in the scouting department. I don't care what he says about wanting players who can help the Bears win now. I don't care what he says about Lovie's contribution to the college evaluation process. If the Bears fail to make the postseason next year Phil Emery knows he will be showing Lovie the door and bringing his own man in to coach. He knows he has to be concerned about drafting for that coach as much as for the current man.

And how many real starting positions are available for the Bears with the 19th pick? Pretty much all of them! That's how the NFL operates these days. No team has a great player at every position and no team has any depth at all. Hell, the Giants have a need at wide receiver and they have the best receiving corps in the league.

Outside of quarterback and running back you could make a successful argument the Bears' first round pick would have an opportunity to start anywhere on the field. Mark Barron could easily win a starting safety job in camp. Kendall Wright could fill the Johnny Knox void. Coples, Ingram, Mercilus? It seems difficult to make the Bears defensive line rotation never mind become a three-down bookend to Julius Peppers. I continue to argue Dont'a Hightower is the most undervalued player in this draft and someone is going to draft a ten-year starter at linebacker. I don't think anyone outside Gabe Carimi is safe on the Bears offensive line.

Emery admitted in his Monday presser he feels no pressure. Why should he? He's guaranteed two or three more drafts at Halas Hall. He starts with the nineteenth overall pick Thursday night. And he'll be taking the top name on his board.

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  • First to say "GET SOME E-TRAIN"....

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    Emery said. “We’ll do whatever it takes for us to get the best players that we feel can get us closest to the championship in the fastest way possible. There is a sense of urgency. We want to be as good as we can be this year.”

    That sounds like we're gettign our starter in round one, majorly surprised if it's not a pass-rusher unless Mr. Kuechly is somehow there.

  • First to dial up this chemistry fill-in-the-blank:

    Jeff egging you on + $25 + 3 hours to drink all you can drink =

  • In reply to gpldan:

    = a lot of menudo and bloody marys for breakfast.

  • secondly..I fell for the "First Time" in a long time we have a GM who knows ..what a draft is:

  • In reply to lobotobear:'s feel not fell.. grammatical ERROR %^!%$%!$%!!!!!!!!!

  • If the Bears fail to make the postseason next year Phil Emery knows he will be showing Lovie the door and bringing his own man in to coach.

    I honestly don't think this true. Ginny wouldn't let him.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    agree GP...the more I see...the more I feel this might be a good mixture...

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    In reply to gpldan:

    Agreed. Although there will be some soul searching and hand wringing if this squad doesn't make the playoffs.

  • In reply to Big Mike:

    You shut your mouth!

  • What he said!

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    Love it. Mouth shut on topic that shall not be named.

  • Emery speaks...

    “The biggest concern I have is that we’re ready for no matter what the scenario is...Emery said, adding, “That that player that we end up picking regardless of it’s at 19 or a trade-up or trade-down scenario, no matter what happens around us that we’ve figured out how to get a good player.”

    Emery continues, “We’ll do whatever it takes for us to get the best players that we feel can get us closest to the championship in the fastest way possible. There is a sense of urgency. We want to be as good as we can be this year.”

    This is GREAT news. I love the word URGENCY and that we're getting offers to move-up and down. If Emery can squeeze an extra 2nd and draft one of those "7 targets" I'd be ecstatic. This draft class may not be spectacular at the top, but it has a lot of value in the 2nd 3rd rounders.

    Owning the 19th pick gives us a bit of flexibility. Emery can see if a stud like Kuechly, Cox or Coples falls to that slot, and if they don't, then we can trade down because some team might want to pick up a CB or even QB before the Browns or Bengals get on the board.

  • Given our system and need, I would guess these are our 1st round graded targets (who are draftable near 19 or later).

    1) DT Cox (We could trade a little up for)
    2) LB Keuchly (We could trade a little up for)
    3) DE Coples
    4) CB Gilmore
    5) SS Barron
    6) WR Wright (We could trade back a bit for)
    7) LB/DE McClellin (We could trade back a bit for)

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    I think Jonathan Martin, might be on that list. Don't see the CB Gilmore on the list.

  • In reply to Big Mike:

    Jonathin Martin we can trade back for. Some mocks even have him going in the early 2nd.

    Really it depends if Adams goes before Martin.

    Gilmore is big and has a penchant for turnovers AND is clean characterwise, which is why he's ahead of Jenkins and Kirkpatrick.

    Just depends on how sold Emery is on Jennings and DJ going up against Rodgers and Manboobs....

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    Solid analysis. I'm not sold on drafting a CB. But if Gilmore is there, he might be the BPA.

  • The 4-letter network says the Cowboys are locked on Barron. I don't see any scenario that we trade up to get him.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I want barron BAD... but I've never had the illusion that we'd get him anyway. Oh well.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    you never know MB30. You're cosmic wish of JA getting terminated came true...on your b-day, no less.

    Cowboys do like Barron, but if they also need a pass rush, and if Coples or even Mercilus is sitting there, they'd REALLY have to like Barron.

    Jets just signed The Hulk Laron Landry, while the Chargers also are in the hunt for another pass rusher (like the Cowboys/Eagles), which usually trumps safety.

    Just keep focusing Men Who Stare at Goats style...

  • Scratch Wright off there, no way they take a receiver in the first. They've had Ingram in for a visit, Merciless. Hightower is on the radar. I wouldn't be surprised if all 7 were DE/DT/LB. We're good to go on offense, defense is where we need a star.

  • I have to strongly disagree with you on the not targeting a starter comment Jeff. Of course Phil will be targeting players that can start and offer an immediate contribution. Specially in the first 3 rounds. Need I remind you of Lovie's comment several years back about not wanting to just accumulate talent. Emery will find a starter in the first couple of rounds and I doubt very seriously he won't be looking for value/depth until the later rounds.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    I agree. Emery's "URGENCY" would beg to differ with Jeff's remarks.

    Also, if Emery were truly scheming for his own coach, etc, he def wouldn't have traded his draft picks for head case Marshall (not exactly a guy to gamble your future on) or went out and agressively pursued FAs.

    Barring a disasterous 2012, Emery realizes he's got his core coaches and players and just needs to nudge them over the hump this year, while building depth through the later rounds.

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    In reply to TracDaddy:

    I think on the D-line, not being a starter isn't a knock. Would Mercilus start, or Cox? Maybe not, but they would contribute. I think "drafting a starter", is synonomous with "drafting to fill a need".

  • In reply to Big Mike:

    Our d-line "starters" won't matter as much since we shuffle them in and out so much, but if we get a "back up" o-linemen or HB (true BPA, right?) in the 1st, that'd be a huge mistake for our goal: WIN THE SB IN 2012.

    We can worry about "depth" in the later rounds or as the year goes on.

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    That's my point. Which makes Jeff's column pointless. Starter, not a starter. Doesn't matter.

  • In reply to Big Mike:

    Yeah, "Starter" at certain positions has been redefined.

    I would love a % starting breakdown at various positions.

    Someone else mentioned this before, but nickle back is practically a starter now, which means SLB isn't as valued as much (hence we can live with Roach, but really what we're talking about in regards to drafting a LB is replacing an aging Lach/Briggs).

    We shuffle all D-line not named Pepp. I think I read somewhere that Adams and Okoye accounted for 43% of DT snaps, so we're going to need new bodies there.

    O is a different matter, which will make this post longer than it needs to be.

  • Yeah, and Pep ain't going to be around forever either.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    Agreed Trac, Emery/Bears will definitely want a starter, we're short of stars after a barren ten years of Angela's ashes. We do need to win now, no question. No project WRs or OTs in the first please. Pass rush. Pass rush. Pass rush.

    Or get Hightower to do it from the outside.

  • angela's ashes... Irish.. I see how you did that.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    It's that or CC !

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    I'd like to be the first to say Go Hawks.

  • In reply to Big Mike:

    I'm tailgating on the couch getting ready for the game in 1 hour.

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    Disagree with Jeff about why Emery doesn't feel any pressure. It's not because he thinks he has a mulligan with this draft. I believe it is because he is fully prepared to get great value for the Bears at every pick.

    (kool-aid pitcher is now empty).

  • In reply to Big Mike:

    my god... can you imagine if that turns out to be true? We haven't had that for 10 years (I give him a pass on year 1).

    I mean, going from throwing darts at a wall of picks while blindfolded to Emery... If emery blows up this draft I will be so damn happy I can't even tell you. I would LOVE to see some billecheat-like sneaky strateegery that gets us someone of incredible value that none of us ever even thought of. I'm giddy with the thought that possibility.

    (setting himself up for huge disappointment)

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    At this point I'll kiss Phil Emry on the mouth if I ever see him. The guy has made all the right moves in the off season and I bet his draft is going to look even better. Get us some help at DB and D line and O line and I'll be thrilled!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Even if he shat himself in the draft I'm still loving the Campbell, Bush and Marshall signings. Devin Thomas might be a pleasant surprise too.

  • Wow, what a loss for Denver, guess who's going to be in play for Barron now:

    Also, if he's going to retire I get it... if not, there truly is no loyalty in the NFL.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Wow, love the way "The Wolverine" played. Dawkins used to lay the wood.

    I heard through the grape vine that the Broncos might be one of the teams who want to move up through the Bears (They own the 25th pick).

    They might be targeting DT Brockers or now S Barron.

    Anyone want to kick the tires on LT Clifton. I hope he's a petty petty man and signs with the Bears for vet min!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    One thing I learned long ago is that companies (which I suppose one could extend to other organizations) have no loyalty, only *people* have loyalty. Typically, that means employees and not employers.

    But there can be exceptions, of course.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    I don't know about that Dave. I think the smart money builds relationships. You have levels of employment where loyalty is more prevalent. Most working stiffs are as loyal as the next paycheck. Kinda cuts both ways I think.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    very true dave.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    dawkins is a true warrior

  • Holy ClusterF^!@#$^!%K Batman: going back to being the Aint's

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    btw...The New Orleans Aints should be a shoe in for “2012 Hard Knocks”. In the history of the NFL no team has had so much drama going into a regular season and we still still several months left!

    and that's saying a lot with Rexy and the clowns known as the Jets......

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    I read that Lobo and thought it had to be an Onion headline. Jebus Tebow Christ.

    The Aints should be FORCED to do hard knocks as part of their punishment.

  • The Saints would be an interesting Hard Knocks, closely followed by the Skins and their very possible (downward spiralling) roller-coaster season following the fortunes of super expensive RGIII.

    Or how about folowing the Bears, and filming a superbowl winning season as it unfolds?

  • Hey Jeff, can I write the next thread. In this video, Phil says flat out, you wanna get a starter out of the 1st and 2nd round. he he.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    trac opens the door...and...


  • In reply to lobotobear:

    hee hee. Isn't this blog friggin great? You can't get away with bs, and when you try, KABOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!!!!!!.

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    btw....I do love Poppycock though......I'm hungry....

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    Ha mean this part?

    “The first and second round you want to come away with a player that you feel is going to be a STARTER or somebody that’s adding or contributing greatly to what you’re doing maybe in your sub-packages at the minimum,” he said.

    “In the third and fourth round, you’re looking for players that contribute in a role, that at least they’re at that level. A lot of the punt and kick returners go in the third and fourth round because you have a defined role for them. They can contribute to your team right away.”

    Prospects in Rounds 5-7 are expected to serve as backups and provide quality depth.

    “What you’re looking for there is players that have high measurables, meaning that their height, weight and speed is at a level that if they develop they have the athletic ability to continue to ascend,” Emery said.

  • Touche 85. You know what he was saying there though. Starter first, major contributor 2nd.

  • E-TRAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    official signing today..!!!!

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    I love it lobo. Kinda reminds me of what KC has been doing a pretty good job of until last year. Running the dam ball. Wouldn't it be awsome to see 200 yards a game on the ground with Cutty slicing and dicing opposing defenses in between 6 yard runs every other play. No way they can stop us, no friggin way.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    I would love to ask Double Deuce how the holdout is working for his agent? with all this moving on the O-line...can you imagine what his numbers will look like with an average O-LINE...

    my gut tells me that the clock is ticking and #22 is either going to be on the E-Train or he will be left at the station.......

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    It's a long way to training camp. That's a lot of clock ticking. Hopefully they can work something out to everyone's satisfaction. Forte's contract timing couldn't be worse for him. After a bunch of big money signings (most of them haven't worked out), the RB position keeps getting devalued. If Forte and his agent are reading old tea leaves this won't get resolved. If they are reading the current tea leaves, there's hope.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    KC were missing Charles, that's all. But they turned their line around with scheming, not personnel additions , so I think Tice's line in the absence of Martz will shine in that respect.

    The one good thing about Webb - the ONLY good thing - is that he's useful in run blocking. If all else fails - not likely with our new set of starters I think - we can still run it. With Martz out of the way we'll automatically be better - but with our new toys on offense, it's going to be gravy as long as the line is healthy. Drafting Molk would allow us to keep Garza as a reserve guard for Edwin Williams and Lance Louis, or even afford us the option of putting Gabe in at LT, Lance at RT and have Edwin and Garza as the guards. Then we'd have nice depth with Chris Williams, Webb, and Spencer (can't we cut his 4.5M please?) on the bench. Not to mention Big Chief - looking forward to seeing him pre-season.

  • Irish let me get this straight....You want to draft a rookie to start at center, take our pro bowl alternate center from last year and put him at backup guard behind guys that he is better than?

    Am i missing something?

  • No coach, you're not missing anything. It's the genius of Irish. If he had his way our WR's would Brandon Rideau, Mike Haas and Devin Aromashodu. Get rid of Knox, who is just awful. Even though his first 3 years in the league he's averaged 44 catches for 738 yds (16.6 yds/catch) and 4 TD's per year.

    Get rid of Forte for fifty 1st rd picks and go to war with a second string RB. There won't be any drop off. Find all the workout warriors at the combine and draft all of them because they must be good. They've got the numbers.


  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Well said. I'm mostly lurking this week as I'm on vacation, but well said.
    Don't forget about Jamar Williams.

  • I've read a couple of places the LT from Iowa (a truly wonderful place) is dropping. I'd love to see him drop to us at 19.

  • Hey $....

    iiii seeeeee a tiiiin muuuuuuug:

  • What do people thing about picking at 19, then moving a second and 4-5th to move into the lower 27-32 range and and picking again?

    For example: 19th: Whitney Mercilus, DE; 30th: Stephen Hill, WR
    19th: Michael Floydd, WR (doubt he'll fall to us); 27th: Nick Perry, DE

    As I see it, it's a win-now approach this year. Deck is stacked and the D isn't getting any younger. Yeah, we need depth, but two players who can start at key-need positions in this draft would be huge.

    We could then go get a S/CB/o-line in the late rounds.

  • In reply to Jimwoww:

    What's wild is we really have no idea of what will happen.

    As 4ever pointed out, if MB can get a wish by JA being gone, can I get one by Kuechly falling to us?

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    Okay that parses oddly; 4ever only wrote about MB getting his wish, not my follow-on drivel.

    No sense in risking putting words in someone's mouth!

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    It was the collective unconscious at its finest SC! lol

  • In reply to Jimwoww:

    I wouldn't do it for the players you listed.

    In the 27-35 range I like Jerel Worthy and Vinny Curry for the D-line, but I'm not sure if either of them is worth the extra pick. If Emery is in love with either, I could see him moving up.

    Worth mentioning that Angelo did this last year to get Paea. We were going to take Paea in the first but Carimi fell to us. So Jerry took Carimi and then traded our 4th to move back up and get Paea as well.

    This year, the identical situation could happen with identical positions. If we like Michael Brockers (DT) at #19, but Riley Reiff (OT) drops unexpectedly, we might draft Reiff. Then if Brockers also drops to, say 31, we could trade up with the Patriots in exchange for our 4th rounder and snag him too.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    jesus, can you imagine if angelo had traded up to take paella in the fucking first!?!? That cuntbag should be struck down in his bed TONIGHT by the ghost of halas. My god.

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  • In reply to Jimwoww:

    I like moving our first two picks to NE for their 27th and 31st, and then drafting Hightower and Perry. Somehow getting Molk and a 6'4 WR, an OT for competition and after that I could give a jack. Until proven otherwise, Carimi should be on Cutty's blindside and Lance on the right. Fix that defense so that our offense gets the ball. We finally have players that will be able to move it. If we let Stafford and Rodgers walk it up and down the field on us we're making it hard on ourselves. Get them off the field lickety-split and let the running game do its job.

    But yes, it's happy days if Kuechly falls to us (not surprised if he goes top 8 though). He;s the only player I wouldn't mind drafting and stowing on the bench (or slotting in at OLB to learn the ropes).

  • Personally I don't like it, not for those players you've listed. I'd throw Forte in to trade up to get the Browns pick. You betcha. Think big.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    And with their pick we'd have to draft Richardson?

  • On second thought, maybe Phil could work out a trade with KC.

  • GP called it:

    ESPNChiBears Dickerson and Wright
    To follow up on @mikecwright piece on LBs; was told Dom DeCicco put on muscle & reported to wkouts in excellent shape. Should make team.

    DOM DeCICCO - who needs Hightower when we have the Dommer.

  • smh

  • Hey Johnny... this what your cat looks like:

    ...I said to her... geeze you've got a big pussy, geeze you've got a big pussy!

    Why'd you say that twice?

    I didn't.

    (one of the best movies ever made)

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    This shit is funny. I wrote everything below thinking that the line you quoted was from Dusk 'til Dawn for some reason, and I thought, no, fuck Tarantino. Jackass. and then before posting it I thought I'd better double-check you were talking about DTD. Nope, Predator. Greta movie. Loved them all except the AvP. Anywayz ....

    Movies are close to my heart, but I was never sold on QT. Not buying into QT. Maybe Pulp Fiction breaks the 100 list (crying shame that Mickey Rourke turned down Willis' role of Butch - no doubt because he thought QT was a douchebag, and rightly so). Reservoir Dogs was good but not as good as it's hip to say it is. Kill Bill? Meh. After that, they were all pretty weak. Inglorious Basterds was up its own arse. The rest are shit movies IMHO. He 'borrowed' all of his scenes and stories, and then discovered that he had used all the good ones up.

    Pulp Fiction would have been a contender for top ten all time if Rourke had have accepted the part of Butch. Nobody can touch Rourke or Penn these days, and that includes sell-outs like Pacino and DeNiro who jsut decided to stop pushing themselves as actors, which is fair enough - they're old men.

    Quentin is not the genius he makes himself out to be. There, I said it.
    Hit me.

    Not that he had anything whatsoever to do with Predator, except maybe rented it out to hundreds of people when he worked in a video store. Being a douche and telling people what they 'should be watching'.

    2 Days 16 Hours 43 Minutes ...................

  • A true genius would direct and play a lead role in a movie that featured himself drinking whiskey from Selma Heyak's foot. If I could figure out how to paid doing that; I'd be a genuis too. Kill Bill 1 is one of my guilty pleasures of all time.

  • In reply to MichBearFan:

    Kill Bill wasn't bad in fairness. I forgot about Selma, and she's hard to forget. Mam-tastic lady.

  • i will forgive your blasphemy.

    this is one of the best scenes EVER:

    And yes, me loves boobies

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Gotta give Irish credit for taking a stance. Don't agree with it. Jackie Brown is a shit movie? Inglorious Basterds is up it's own ass? Reservoir Dogs is just OK? Not buying it.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    To me, Jackie Brown was a shit movie... and Inglorious Basterds wasn't too good either.

    Reservoir Dogs is incredible. Pulp Fiction is in my personal top 10. Kill Bill, both 1 & 2 were very, very good (personally, I prefer 2).

    From Dusk til Dawn was interesting. Good for watching twice in one's life.

    Death Proof was slow but I enjoyed it.

    QT's scene in Four Rooms was freaking awesome.

  • Dom is small, Hightower is a load. The only small guy I'd like to see drafted is Mychal Kendricks. He sounds perfect for Roach's spot.

  • Dominator

    Senor Deluise

    Dom Dom Club

    This stuff writes itself.

  • Sorry MB, looks like Barron will definitely be gone by our pick.

  • Interesting from that article :

    "At no point did Emery specifically reference any prospects, but he called wide receiver, defensive end and defensive tackle strong positions in the draft, also adding that there are a good number of offensive tackles who project as interior linemen in the NFL."

    With this in mind, and the recent snubbing of Okoye, maybe they're thinking :

    Rd 1: Cox/Brockers/Poe

    Rd 2: Best DE available

    Rd 3: 6'4 WR

    BPA onwards.

  • Watch the other hand Irish. It might be prudent to ask yourself, what positions didn't he mention?

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    A stunning draft of Mr. Lamar Williams and draft day trade of Forte? Trac, you naughty boy.

  • I'm beginning to think that Phil's gonna use the 1st round to snatch up a position that is gonna be hard to get value on in the later rounds. CB, LB comes to mind. Maybe OT but not likely. I could see Phil trading up to draft Kluechy or possibly Gilmore or he'll stand pat if some of his guys he wants still look like they'll be there at 19.

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    In reply to TracDaddy:

    That is insightful. Still think DE is the pick, but not overwhelmingly so. The beauty is, one of his 7 will be there. Guaranteed. Moving back still getting one of the 7 AND picking up an extra pick seems to be a real option.

    I wonder realistically what you get moving back from 19 to say 26? A 2nd rounder, or a 3rd?

  • In reply to Big Mike:

    All I know is our 19th and 51st would get us the Pats 27th and 31st. We could do serious damage in the first round and still pick a quality player in the 3rd. Emery said times had already been in touch wanting to trade up and trade down, so I'm sure he's on the case considering all options, perhaps player trades too. I'm pumped.

    2 days 10 hrs 25 mins.

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    I think that would be a great scenario. One of the DE's might still be there. One of the Tackles/Guards might be their. But surely Hill or Wright would be their at WR.


  • I don't think Emery will do it because it's not exactly a steal - it's a push on draft value, and I'm pretty sure that it creates less flexibility in cap space down the road under CBA rules.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    With Urlacher injured right now, perhaps Kuechly is looking very sexy to the Bears - maybe Hightower is physically better suited. Be it trade up or trade down I trust he'll do the right thing.

  • I would take drafting Hightower in one as a sign that Lack's rehab is not on track at all, and that his leg issues are more serious than we know.

  • Part of why I have been promoting Kuechly for weeks now is that Urlacher may just not be the player he was any more. Age is already a factor of course, but more so that knee.

    There is only so much that experience and smarts can do once the body just can't get to the point of attack in time.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    That's a horrible thought. Life without Lac. Makes me think we need to draft Hightower AND Kuechly, or Kendricks and Kuechly. I wouldn't mind if they sold out the whole draft just to get a pass rusher and a couple of solid linebackers. Happy to go to war with the offense we have now.

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    In spite of all the analysis of what the Bears need to do in the draft, this comment from Brad Biggs, really sums it up. His point is, that the Bears have put themselves in a position that "who" they take is secondary to "hitting on the pick". It might sound obvious, But don't most real truths...,0,2547322.story

  • In reply to Big Mike:

    That's why I've come to think there is no way, even if he is on the board, that we take Merciless. We may even pass over Coples if he's there, although with Peppers here, that's a bit of a stretch we'd pass on him if he fell.

    The more I read, the more I think that kid (Merciless) has bust potential. Emery needs one thing above all, given his background as a world class scout - he needs to kick ass at the draft. He needs, for the next few years, for his 1s and 2s to consistently start. Because he's not much of a GM if he can't draft, everyone in the NFL knows his balls are in a jar on Ted's desk, he will be given a short leash to speak off script or devise trades. He needs to draft. That's the one area I think he will be given freedom from Lovie's interference in the GM role.

    So, that leans more to a Kirkpatrick or Gilmore, who would take over from Jennings.

    Even if we take one of those two, I wouldn't be shocked to see us grab Trumane Johnson in the 2nd, just because having 6-2 corners that can transition to FS is pretty much a guarantee that starts will occur over anybody in FA or URFA.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I just got the revese of a fearboner... what is that... a standard boner?

    Holy fuckstick, I would shit myself!

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Perry is the only DE I'd be happy with, I smell a bust with Merciless and especially Coples, Kirkpatrick is definitely a risk too. I'd love a tall corner to challenge these tall receivers, good call on Johnson - we could switch him over when necessary, although Peanut seems to have CJ's number.

    With the Lac situation maybe they're thinking top LB and then get the best DE available in the second, although a trade seems likely. Emery seems the type to do what's right. I saw a trade for the Rams two second rounders for our first mentioned. Three second round picks, what say ye?

  • In reply to Big Mike:

    That's exactly right. We're in big trouble if we lose our #1 starters at LB, CB, DE, DT, OL or WR. There is one draft position that's going to fix that liability. But at the same time if we were 100% healthy, we could play the season with the team we have now and be competitive against anyone.

    What Emery needs to do is build depth. And not bench fodder depth, actual starting caliber depth. More insurance, more sub-packages, more quality on the field down after down. The only way to do that is to look for BPA and get it right.

  • In reply to Big Mike:

    Exactly. Don't overlook the obvious.

  • With all 323 pounds of Chico in the mix, I really really really think Tice is going to go into camp and work Cookie out at LT, give him another shot to earn it.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I've only got two predictions this year.

    1. Edwin and Lance are the guards.
    2. Our offense will rock.

    I have a funny feeling, Webb will still beat out CW though.

  • 4.29 40 speed, but Smurfy.

    Minus Knox, this kid could challenge Hester for fastest Bear at camp. Possible 2nd rounder.

  • The fact that we pushed for Mincey and didn't get him makes me think we'll look at DEs. The fact that we resigned Izzy makes me think we'll be comfortable looking elsewhere if we don't like Mercilus or Coples.

    The fact that Angelo is systematically plugging holes left by Jerry, makes me think we'll look at DB or OL. Since we mostly dealt with offense in FA, I'm leaning toward DB in round 1 of the draft. That's Dre K.

    I personally rank those three as
    1) Coples
    2) Dre K
    3) Mercilus

    If I have time before Thursday, I'll post my Chicago Bears Big Board for the top 25 or 30 picks.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    The Lions should draft Dre and go for the four-timer.

  • Awesome NB. I can't believe my DB @ 19 wish might actually come true! I never thought it would a month ago.

    Can you imagine DreK or even barron back there? Holy shit... we'd have a couple REAL DBs besides the nut!?!?!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    "While Kirkpatrick is an excellent contact defender, he's far from a form tackler -- he loves to give "kill shots" with his shoulder, and more experienced NFL receivers will teach him what most every college highlight hitter eventually learns at the next level: The pro guys will eat your lunch with that stuff. He'll miss tackles and lose engagement with players because he's too busy throwing himself or somebody else around. Loses jump-ball battles too often for a player his size. Not always an assignment-correct cover man in zone -- he'll bump into his own defenders at times and fails to establish awareness in space when he's covering larger areas."

    Surely in the first round we need a LB/DE more than a CB? Anybody? Bueller?

  • can anyone say..Who The F#!$#!$%!K is making these list's..really T-boner? really?;

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    1. Barry Sanders
    2. Roger Staubach
    3. O.J. Simpson
    4. Paul Hornung
    5. Charles Woodson
    6. Tony Dorsett
    7. Tim Tebow
    8. Earl Campbell
    9. Marcus Allen
    10. Cam Newton

    Man, Earl the Pearl is the Rodney fucking Dangerfield of the NFL.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    What about that Detmer kid from BYU (the mediocre one, not the shitty brother)?

    Desmond Howard?

    Oh wait...


    Oh wait.

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    ...Tim Brown, Herschel Walker, Ricky Williams, Eddie George, Billy Sims, Vinny T... the list of guys with more distinguished Pro careers than God's messenger is pretty fucking long.

    Tebow belongs with guys like Danny Weurfel and Troy Smith. And Matt Leinert.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Oh yeah, and this guy you may remember called Bo Jackson.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I wasn't being serious.

    I know Tebow belongs nowhere on that list, and the reasons the NFLFilms people provided are ridiculous...

    Hell, at least Demond Howard had a SB MVP.

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    I know you were joking, sorry if I didn't make that clear.

    A marketing group report I saw on captivate in my elevator said here is the list of "most influential athletes in America"

    1. Jimmie Johnson
    2. Tebow
    3. P. Manning
    4. E. Manning
    5. Brady

    A NASCAR driver and 4 football players. No NBA, NHL or MLB representation in there anywhere. I guess they only called homes in Alabama.

    Pop Culture makes my head hurt sometimes.

  • you have GOT to be kidding me.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    It's all about promotion. Everybody has some fucking list these days and most of them contain things from the most recent past. NFL films should be ashamed of themselves. It will be interesting to see if the talking heads on the NFL channel try to defend this garbage.

  • Over the next day or so, I'm going to eliminate players from the Bears options in the first round in an attempt to make some sense of Phil's mindset by a process of simple elimination. Reverse engineering if you will.

    Jonathan Martin OT, Stanford.

    This guy is a 2nd tier OT. The only reason he's even in most first round projections is because there's probably about 16 teams that need a tackle and this years class is pretty thin. He's a stretch and a project and isn't worthy to be drafted by us in the 1st. He's not a good prospect for the blind side. I think picking him in the 1st round to play RT would be a huge blunder for Emery, therefore, I don't believe he's even on Phils radar in the 1st round.

    Scratch him from your boards gents, forget about it.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    I agree. Martin is a liability on running plays. He's got great technique, which would give him some success in pass coverage, but ultimately he doesn't fit the mold of a Mike Tice offensive tackle.

    I think the whole Stanford offense is overrated to a certain extent because they were all on the same team that did well. DeCastro seems like the real anchor of that line. Other than that, I'm skeptical of Martin and Fleener and think we'll get better value elsewhere.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    I agree with NBIT's Cardinal observation with wholeheartedness. This should come to be known as the "Trojan Effect".

    The tendency to over rate college football prospects from BCS Bowl winners because of the team, not the player, and end up getting screwed over (with protection) because of it.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Alternatively, this could be called "Getting Bushed" if an action verb is required.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Because when you think the last name Bush, getting fucked over is implicit.

    (Whistle. Flag thrown)

    10 yard penalty. Sorry.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I like to think of the positive side of "Getting Bushed"... where, as a mediocre quarterback with a dominant RB, you get to win the Heisman, stay in a school another year to do ballet with your GF, get wrecked in the bowl game by Vince Young, and find that you're a career backup QB with zero chance of injury, yet still a millionaire.

    I refer to it as "Post-Modern Lein Art"

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    Which ties back to the Cardinal thing!

    Willie - you are a genius sometimes.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    No, sir - you are the genius!

    I read through all the posts, and saw what you didn't do there by not saying "see what I did there?" when I should have saw what you did there when you did it without you saying "see what I did there?".

    But I didn't see it.

    Then I saw it. What you did there. And there, where it was done, was a sight to see.

    Cardinal observation. Trojan horse. With protection. Getting bushed.

    Pure. Genius.

    All those there that were done, but were not seen without asking to be seen - but when what was done was seen what you did there - were marvelous there.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    At least they named a beer after him. Sure they mis-spelled his name but I doubt he noticed it. He he.

    Stay out Da Bush's.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    O...K... (smh implied)

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    I think we can scratch anyone who is not DT/DE or LB off the list. I can see two if not three of those coming in our first three picks. There aren't really any stand-out must-draft ends, and Maranelli might see a guy who can play end at a deeper spot. That might lead to drafting either Cox, Brockers or Poe and we get at least some help in penetrating the line. They let Okoye go for a reason, it certainly wasn't to save cash. Linebacker is definitely a worry.

    They'll throw Tice a pick later on for a value OT, maybe Molk if he drops to us in the fourth, but defense has more holes and we're not as desperate for DBs and CBs as we are for help up front.

  • One more from profootballweekly. This one about the 2008 first round Offensive Tackle draft class.

    Most interesting statistic: "Take a quick look around the league — of the 32 players that would start at left tackle if the season started today, 75 percent (24 out of 32) of those players were drafted in the first (18) or second round (six). One is a third-rounder, two came out of the fourth round, one was picked in the fifth round and another in the seventh. Three were not drafted."

    So if we want a tackle this year, the first two picks (maybe the third) are where we should look.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    Teams are alot more patient with their 1st and 2nd round selections NB. Enter Chris Williams. Salvageable guard but so far, at tackle, a disappointment.


    Interesting article. Just goes to show that picking high is not always a recipe for success.

    Also goes to show that its better to get a contributor somewhere (even if its not a position of need) rather than a bust who just sits on the bench.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    My least favorite paragraph:

    Finally, maybe there’s a reason the late comedian Jack Benny always used to make a point of telling everybody he was 39, considering the solid return on the “No. 39” investment the last five years. Akeem Ayers started all 16 games at strong-side linebacker for the Titans last year and is counted on to make more of an impact this season. Arrelious Benn has had his moments for the Bucs and should complement Vincent Jackson well. Justin Blalock is a rock-solid starting left guard for the Falcons. Eben Britton has been saddled with injuries, but the Jaguars are not ready to give up on him by any means. Only Chilo Rachal, a free agent who has struggled more often than not with the Niners, qualifies as a bust.

    So, let's send his ass to the Bad News Bears. Where - even if you are a OL bust - hell, we started Omlette, we'll start fucking anybody.

    Sorry - I hope this is a Spencer story, who I thought played ok at RG while Louis went to tackle, but who graded our HORRIBLE as the Seahawks center.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    We need to cut Spencer's ass. 4.5 Million? That gets us Plax and a Lombardi. Marshall, Plax, Bennett, Davis, Bush, Forte(maybe). It literally would not matter who we put out on defense because they'd hardly ever get the ball without being another 7 points down.

  • I think Janoris Jenkins may just be a sleeper pick for the Bears in the 2nd round if they don't go CB in round 1.

    But for his off the field troubles, he's arguably the 2nd most talented CB. Is Phil is gonna approach this years draft like a high stakes poker game?

    I thought Walter Football assessed his skills rather well, give it a read.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    From your link:

    There are repeated stories of his continuing to use drugs since he was kicked out of Florida.

    I gotta think that's a deal breaker for a team coming off Hurd.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I heard what you said, and I agree with every word.
    It's absurd to be led, like a Hurd to the dirt
    from an herb that instead of motivating, makes you worse.
    I'm disturbed that he treads, he's still degrading his self worth.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Drafting a user
    Having been dealt a dealer
    Is not a wise play

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    very nice. well done dave

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    Confucius say

  • In reply to gpldan:

    ... and probably Barber.

  • Ok, so I am ready to make my first big prognostication for this draft. Ready? Here it is…

    Emery is going to move up BIG in the first with a huge trade, possibly including #22 for.....

    Urlacher's ten-year franchise heir apparent: Luke Kuechly

    "He is one of the 10 best players in the draft. Historically, inside linebackers are not valued, mostly because they get replaced on sub downs in sub packages and nickel packages. He's the opposite and his strength lies in the pass game. He's the best pass-dropping inside linebacker I've ever seen in college football. He has instincts and speed. There's real value there because he's a three-down inside linebacker.''

    -- NFL Network draft analyst Mike Mayock on Boston College linebacker Luke Kuechly."

    Sound familiar?

    (yes, you’re welcome Dave)

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Oh, by the way... BOOOOM! That just happened.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I like him, I don't LOVE him.

    Very Lack like in speed and ball instinct. But, also like Lack, not great or even kinda poor at times at taking on blockers head on.

    4 minute mark is prime example

    But guys who drop out like safeties from the Mike are the cornerstone of cover 2, so I can see us going for it.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    That's exactly why I see them going for it GP... besides the fact that he's a top 10 BPA anyway.

    We get another lach for 10+ years (if lovie is even able to stick around with his coverwho for more than one more year) and we don't have to gamble on a reach DB, DE, or DE at 19.

    Boom... I just blew Rabbit up with a haji SA Carbomb!

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I don't know GP. I just watched the vid and even when he gets a 300+lb olineman on him he fights through and usually gets the tackle. Pretty impressive.... and this is the first tape I've ever watched on him. Very lach like... I';m even more convinced we make this move.

    I would consider it a very good one if we don't have to give up too much.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    What'd you do, trip a claymore?

    I'm not even near a PS3 so....

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    two words for you.... new. maps.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Two words for you. Draft. Party.

    So what do you think of the new maps? I assume you bought 'em this weekend? Can you host a private match with them or do we have to buy them too?

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    yep. did. right after we talked.

    Love them. There's one in a house with a crashed 747 in the front yard... looks like it's in the LA hills. There's a skyscraper under construction that you can fall off the sides everywhere (bad ass). And then a park with military equipment (tanks, missile launchers, etc...) everywhere, and a very very cool Italian coastal village on a cliff (my favorite).

    Tooooootally worth the $15. Basically like a new video game.

    Yeah, I bought them thinking that EA would be smart and allow purchasers to host private games with those who haven’t bought yet in order to promote them and drive organic sales… nope. They went the greedy route and you have to have them too for private matches too. Again, totally worth it. I would do it.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    OK, will buy it as soon as I get back to the Commonwealth.
    Going through withdrawal now...

    The skyscraper one sounds good...perfect stalking ground for plunking down some surprises.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    yeah, that one is brutal when you don't know where people are hiding. It's pretty 3d so people can be shooting you from above or below and across open areas.

    I think the house one is the best for lonely little laser arms... loooots of corners and little nooks. Lot of fun. These kids bought them as they came out and already know the ins and outs. Pisses me off.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Surely I'd take that
    New monster for the middle
    But please just keep Matt

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    Ha. I know, we'll see.

    We have to give up something big to move into the top 10-12 dave. And that's where I (and all the visionaries) think Klutch will go.

    Maybe NB or $ can throw out some other likely possible trade scenarios that don't include matt with a ribbon on his whiny, stubborn ass head.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I really don't get all this love for Kuechly, I mean, best case scenario he sits out the majority of 2012 if our current 'backers stay healthy. Don't we want to, you know, win now? AND you want to trade Forte for this guy? c'monnnnnn mannnnn

  • In reply to Shady:

    jesus really? You'd rather take a flier on a 1 yr wonder?

    Fuck that, get me lach's replacement for the next 10 year my brother.

    btw, I'll see you your c'monnnnnn mannnnn, and raise you a free-for-all in the black box... or the piazza! Download your new maps now bitch!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I didn't say I'd draft Mercilus, but depending on who's available, I'd rather have a DE DT pass rusher who can start day 1 rather than a backup linebacker who can't get after a QB.

  • In reply to Shady:

    ok, so who's your pick at 19?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    BPA - and hopefully that will be Cox, Coples, Reiff or Floyd.

  • In reply to Shady:

    floyd ain't going to happen yo.

    Looks like OT, DE or on the outside DB.

  • In reply to Shady:

    Coples is a definite bust, and we can't afford to take an OT in the first with our needs at LB/DE. The OT would sit on the bench guaranteed. We need a starter in rd 1.

    Cox could be good, but I just don't see how teams are going to stop Poe. Bigger, stronger and faster than Suh. Fuck his tape. You can't argue with sheer momentum.

    If Kuechly ain't there, Poe's the man for me. A center and guard would be busy with him on every play.

  • Coples is a bust now? OK Irish...

    Can't afford to take an OT? OK Irish...

    Poe in a 4-3? I don't think so, not if there are pass rushers are available... I'd even take Jerel Worthy before Poe, a true penetrator who can get into the backfield instead of just taking on blockers.

  • In reply to Shady:

    Whichever pass rusher from the draft that starts day one, doesn't mean they're not going to get their lunch eaten. Apparently Irvin is the most explosive so he could have some immediate impact, but the rest are all projects. Hightower can bring it, and he's got to be better than Roach.

  • In reply to Shady:

    *if* our LB stay healthy (or ARE, for that matter)

    But no, I'd not take that AND either. If it means trading Forte, then no thanks.

  • In reply to Shady:

    Sit down? Why? Stick him in there for Roach and let Lac coach him up, he's kind of under-sized at the moment to play Mike anyway. Unfortunately Lac may not make it out there for 16 games. I would love Hightower if we couldn't get Kuechly, he's 260lbs and brings the hammer.

  • He's not dropping to #19 anyway, so the point is moot.

  • In reply to Shady:

    There's also that.

  • all I can say is:

    F!%%!$^%!%KING GOODUH!!!!!

    one of the comments:
    jmhalko says:

    I can’t wait till a team gets kicked out of the draft for revealing a pick against the Dictators’ wishes. There will be swift punishment for violating this unenforceable “rule”…. I think they may have done something like that before… what was that again….

  • For the record - and I think Trac had a contest going on this?
    We'll take Mercilus.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    naw, don't see it. To bust-worthy. I doubt Emery will take that gamble in his first pick in the first rd of his first draft. Maybe coples if he's there.

  • In reply to MB30SD:


  • In reply to MB30SD:


    The hit to Phil would be staggering if his first 1st rounder busts.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    But he won't bust hence I'm right and you're wrong.

    I think the lazy rap on Coples is kind of funny though, given that was always the knock on Peppers. He was supposedly guilty of turning it on when he wanted to and taking plays off.

  • interesting:

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    Yeah, Coples has a HUGE red flag: NO HEART.

    That's why that interview with Casserly was must watch TV for the Bears. IMO, Coples folded when Casserly started drilling him.

    When Coples replied he only gave a "C" effort last year, that only confirmed what many saw on tape.

    Now, not everyone can come off like Von Miller in interviews, but he just seems like he half-asses everything.

    Still, there was another goofy looking kid from NC who shied from interviews too and he worked out pretty well, so you never know.

  • The funny thing is that somebody will draft him because "we can't pass on him with the X pick ..." as if he becomes good value suddenly. Same heart, same attitude, you just got the same problem for a lower pick. If he couldn't get motivated in college .....

  • This is great.

    Breast milk is sweet and delicious... oh, not that I've ever tried it myself. Uhhh... yeah.

  • In reply to MB30SD: need to get some!!!! lol

    Coming this Summer to a theater near you:

    "Oreo vs Areola";this time it's personal

    I would rather have Cookies and MILF!!!!!

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    tell me about it lobo.

    hahaha... those were good. Very nice.

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    haha now THAT shit was funny lobo!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Oh, I have, but it's been a while.

  • Jeff, dunno how often you read through all the comments but as I have no intention of using twitter I'll put it here:

    Di Matteo is an average coach. He did not perform well at all in his previous job and I think the increase in productivity from the Chelsea players is more due to the removal of AVB than the introduction of a good coach. What they did against Barca was hardly revolutionary-it has been proven in the past as the best way of getting a result against them (this semifinal mirrored the final between Inter/Barca 2 years ago almost exactly).

    So while clubs would be interested in him (I do not believe he will get to keep the Chelsea job unless he wins the final), I believe that he will be out of work within the year if that club is a top3 or 4 team in their respective league.

  • *ahem*

    Go Bears!

  • Also, regarding more impressive halves of football, please refer to said Inter game and the Liverpool final of 05 to begin with.

  • and now for something completely different:

    MB's favorite saying comes to mind:

    "GET SOME"!!!!!!!

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    the real questions is does T-boner get the mil..if he sleeps with the chick in the image?........I think I just puked a little in my mouth....ugh!?#!#@#

  • tee hee hee..I'm surprised he didn't try to backdoor her during the shot...

  • jesus biggs, how about exercising (see how I did that) some fucking self and/or portion control.

    It's NEVER good when your face starts closing your eyes for you.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    haha tune into the Score tonight starting at 6p cst, SERIOUS draft panel discussion. That is if, you know, you're done feeding...

  • In reply to Shady:

    listneing now. thanks for the link.

    Now call home and get that old lady of yours and her little yappy fucking dog to start downloading your new maps for tonight.

  • In reply to MB30SD:


  • In reply to Shady:

    hee hee

  • In reply to Shady:

    920 fucking minutes to DL that shit maing, ain't happening tonight. Connection has been so shitty this week, fucking Comcast is killing me. It took 2 days before they could get this bitch up and running again.

  • In reply to Shady:

    ridiculous maing... took me like 15 minutes!?!?!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    It's like trying to squeeze a golf ball through a garden hose... And the connection is pretty bad too, hey-o!

  • O.K. E-Train seems to be catching steam in Chi-Town with FA's and signing our boys...can some one see if he has connections into bring back the Honeygirls???...why can't we have these??....

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    I thought there were black women in America. Why do they all look like Fox News legal experts. All make up and fake tits. Bleuch.

  • @JayGlazer reported, Vikings have reached agreement with former Bengals WR Jerome Simpson on a one-year deal.


  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Is there a name for these kinds of remixes, I see 'em on the booya network alllll the time these days.

  • In reply to Shady:

    it's called auto-tuning isn't it? No idea maings.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    tee hee hee....Fucking Jaws with a Mullet...ass-goblin!!!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I love it................WHO FUCK IS MEL KIPER???????



  • my classmate's aunt brought in $21490 the previous week. she gets paid on the internet and bought a $403500 house. All she did was get lucky and apply the clues given on this site

  • In reply to San88:

    oh no you di-int!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Anyone know how to do denial of service attacks? Please go waste that little cocksucker.

  • Hub says bears like:
    * Ingram
    * R.Reiff

    but doesn't think we'll get either. Also says thinks bears had best off season of anyone in nfl

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    i'm very excite. very fucking excite.

  • veeery niiiiice. I liiiiike.

  • johnny you get the new maps maing?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    not yet, maybe in a couple of days

  • Jesus, this is going to be shady's kid:

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    4 years old? How the hell does a 4 year old know what a gun is, let alone manage to pick it up, aim, and fire it? Stupid fucking parents.

  • In reply to Shady:

    saudi arabia dude.... they tech weapons tech in preschool there... and how to hate the evil jew-run west. Fucking savages.

  • fb_avatar
    In reply to MB30SD:

    It's so wrong to laugh at that, but it is so funny.

  • Here is a sneak peek boys...

  • In reply to Jeff Hughes:

    Are you going to have them ready for the Draft Party or no, blogfadder?

  • In reply to Jeff Hughes:

    Jeff, I love this site and I have a ton of respect for you but I hate the Blues Brothers B.S. Sorry. I hope it's just me and you sell a ton of 'em. Wish I could be there for the draft party!

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Canada, you're cracking me up.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    I've loved Blues since I was 13 and my sister played BB King and Bessie Smith constantly. When the Blues Brothers hit it big it pissed me off to no end that these talentless hacks were making a killing and every Blues player not named BB, Muddy, John Lee, Buddy or Junior was making squat. Good band but Belushi and Ackroyd had zero talent. Since then you always see douchebags dressed up like them at the games or at costume parties. Pathetic.

    Compare that Blues Brothers shit with the original, Sam and Dave.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    I get it. Watched all 7+ mins of that Canada.

  • In reply to Jeff Hughes:

    is that pep and lach as jake and elwood??

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    You did not just ask that.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I did... and what's up with the numbers... I don't get it. Maybe I'm an idiot. help me out rabbit.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    You are going to slap your forehead. I know it's kind of hard to make it out, but #6 is #6 and the other guy is #15 - our brand new wide receiver.

    My personal wish is for a non-orange shirt...Grey or white t-shirts are way more in my wheelhouse, maing, even if that adds a color to the screen.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    wow, tough to see man. I just looked again, and that doesn't look like either of them.

    I could swear the one on the right is lach. Cutty never even crossed my mind.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    also, all fucking offense? How about throwing the D a bone Jeff. Maybe Cutty and Lach?

    Just use the same picture for both I guess.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    lol, good point. After you said it, the white guy does sort of look like Lach. #15 though, well, Pep has pretty distinctive ears.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    The back of his hand?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    that's true... but that does NOT look like Marshall... who has a pretty distinctive look himself.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Is Lach #6?

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    In other news: Paea and Roach being honored with the Brian Piccolo Award is awesome! Paea is going to dominate this year. Im excited.

  • In reply to Jeff Hughes:

    spectacular wardrobe upgrade
    emery does look
    a bit like a "fasting version"
    of the penguin

    halftime show
    at the corporate bowl's
    2013 fundraiser
    chicago's finest living
    buddy guy

    thanks to all
    for the insightful
    to draft day
    it was a hit
    in my head
    and makes me hope
    for finer days
    and better plays
    for the playoff bound
    in 2013

  • In reply to huntinbare:

    Hiya, huntinbare!
    Good to have you back.
    Just in time for draft.

  • In reply to Jeff Hughes:

    The tag line should be on the front under the photo, but nice.

  • hey Mark Brunel still wants to play... what do you guys think about making him our #3?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    He can't be any worse than "Tom" Collins.

    Can he still collect Social Security if he's on the game-day roster?

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    good question. I'm sure he'll try if he's eligible. I would.

    Vet minimum is a bitch.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I'm cool with McKnown as #3


    Biggs, pompei, moon, bowden talking draft... per shady's link above.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Listening. So far interesting, but still not a lot of new analysis.

    Have to say they don't give enough credit to the contributions Michael Bush will make as a "backup." Likewise the insurance that Jason Campbell will provide. Both most importantly, they don't address the great moves we made improving our special teams.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    they talked about how huge campbell was about 15 minutes ago NB. They said it was huge and if we had him last year we'd have gone deep. Says he's better then 7-9 starting QB in the NFL.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I wish we'd lost the Minny game, we'd be picking #13 now.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    I never saw Bush as a backup, I'm pumped about what he brings to our ability now in the ground game. No more closing your eyes as Forte goes into the middle. Campbell is a great relief to have on the roster. PUMPED!

  • listening more and more...E-Train is going to go D-Line ...with the coverwho? we need a RUSH!!!!


    that is all

  • In reply to Shady:

    and someone opposite pep.

    Bottom line, our more glaring deficiencies are on the line... both sides

  • In reply to MB30SD:


  • got a woody because the have been talking Safety!!!!

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    meh, unless we move up for barron there's no one there. Harrison is the cajun scud reduxx.

    If there isn't value at either OL or DE, I'd like to move up and get either Klutch or stand pat and get DreK if he's still there.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    We won't know if there's value at 19 until Klutch is long gone...therein lies the conundrum.

  • yep..fucked Daniel Manning....

    this is what I asked in an earlier are our asst..coaches? and do we really develop our players...I think our coaching fucking sucks in this case.

  • Listening to Phil Emery talk about his college player evaluation process makes me incredibly glad glitchy is gone.

  • In reply to Shady:

    Listening to Phil
    Is better in every way
    Than retardation

  • In reply to SC Dave:


  • And honestly, who can honestly say no to a nice handful of Orville Redenbacher's poppycock? mmmm

  • In reply to Shady:


  • Zach Zaidman, the ginger-haired genius, likes Wright over Floyd.

  • In reply to Shady:


  • Wow, almost every guy on the roundtable is picking U of I DE Mercilus. Smaller speed rusher to compliment Peppers.

  • Yeah, I'm listening to The Score roundtable too whilst working on my Draft Day Cheat Sheet which I shall share with you all in the next post.

  • Dude shady..... where you..... at

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    fucking downloading maing, let me take this bitch out for a walk and i'll check it when i get back.

  • In reply to Shady:


  • Hey guys, I had my aunt pass away a day after Pa did. Thus, why I haven't been on.

    I didnt give the eulogy but I gave a short speech for my grandfather. Ever since then I am okay with him being gone.
    I will see a lot of you Wednesday and to be quite honest, I cant wait. The one thing people have said so far about the Bears is that no one knows who thwy want

  • Hey buddy, good to have you back.

  • Good to see you here, Erik, and hear you are doing better.

  • Super glad to have you back. Sorry to hear about your aunt. Glad you're feeling better. Have fun at both draft parties (you lucky fucker).

  • Condolences, Artoo. Meant to say it when you first posted, but it got lost in the 500 + post.

    If it weren't for you, I'd have to open up a twitter account!

  • Glad to see you back brah!!!!!!

  • Wow, sorry to hear that Artoo. Tough times.

  • Welcome back Erik. Condolences

  • I don't like this guy. Not the kinda witness anyone should be proud of.

  • Sounds like the word is out on Coples. He's a glider.

  •'s 7 round mock was interesting. Lombardi drafts Chandler Jones for the Bears and Commisioner Mayock says "he's on my board at 9".

    19. Chicago Bears: Chandler Jones, DE
    50. Bears: Zach Brown, OLB
    79. Bears: Jamell Fleming, CB
    111. Bears: Nick Toon, WR
    150. Bears: Matt Reynolds, OT/OG
    184. Bears: Charles Mitchell, SS
    220. Bears: Derek Dennis, OG

    Which would give us 11 guards on the roster by my reckoning.

  • I think I'm the only one on the Chandler Jones bandwagon. I hope it happens, if Luke Kuechly is taken. Jones is a beast!

  • In reply to OsosFan:

    I'm beginning to agree with you Oso. If the Bears go DE in the first round, he's probably as solid of a pick out there.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    Just watching Roy's draftcast - he points out that Lovie has a boner for tall DEs, which would seem to suggest that Ingram and Mercilus are out (unless they groom them as LBs). Ditto Perry, McClellin and Curry/ Mark Anderson was the shortest at 6'4.

    He has Mercilus as over-hyped. No nose for the ball, doesn't have the measurables for DE, likely wouldn't make a good LB either because he can't track the ball.

    I agree with him on Coples. If he didn't have the heart in college ....

    Kikes Chandler - has the ht/wt, biggest wingspan, the best hands, but isn't that athletic and has injury issues amongst other little things.

    He's high on Branch even though he's 6'4 and doesn't break 260, but is a vicious player, high motor, relentless, 3.5 inches on Coples arm length. He's the #1 guy that fits the Bear's likes other than Coples. His only question was do you take him at 19 if Kendall Wright is there. If we draft on the need he goes with Branch. Pure speed athletic pass rusher.

    Andre Branch is the man for us? Looks like he could be a super fit beside Lac, a pass rushing Lawrence Taylor type.

  • In reply to OsosFan:

    I like Jones alot. He wouldn't be my first pick but I would be happy to have him as well. He's an under the radar guy for us.

  • In reply to OsosFan:

    Damn, the more I see of Branch the more I want him, We can try him with his hand down Abraham style and groom him in beside Urlacher - that could be a better LB corps than Wilson-Samurai-Marshall (for a short time).


    Chandler Jones on the first sack shows good presence of mind and solid technique wrapping up the QB.

    The second sack is the really impressive one though. He basically is light enough on his feet the O-lineman can't set a block. When they block is finally set, Jones pushes through and then moves inside nicely to get the sack.

  • My opinion on that mock.

    1) No complaints about Jones. He looks like he may have the stuff to be a solid DE for us.
    2) Don't know much about Brown, but he was originally considered the best LB in the draft. No complaints.
    3) Not a big fan of Fleming, I think the good route runners in the NFL will torch him (though he is solid against the run). In this mock, since Casey Hayward is still there at 70 or so, I'd send a 6th somewhere to move up and grab him.
    4) Toon is a decent 4th round pick, though I like Brandon Mosley (OT) better.
    5-7) Don't know these guys. If we take Mosley over Toon, would like to see us get a WR. Already said I would deal our 6th. But if we get one solid player from 5-7, I'm happy.

  • Asante Samuels to the falcons

  • Matt Light retired today

  • Do the Pats look at Jonathan Martin now?

  • Word on the street is that Osi can be had for a 3rd round pick. Question of the day. Would you trade Forte for him straight up? Hmmm.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    Hell no.

  • It could pave the way for Phil to do some major damage in the draft.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    Two De's that are over 30? Sounds like more drafting or FA pickups in the future.

  • Absolutely. It seriously weakens us at RB, requiring we spend a mid-to-high round pick on the position, plus we're only acquiring an injury-prone, expensive, 31-yr old who is probably now best suited to be a situational pass rusher and who wants to renegotiate his contract every two weeks. So I don't see any way we don't draft DE high, Osi or no Osi.
    No thanks.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Pay now or pay later Brownie. After this year, Matt will no longer be a Bear anyhow. As soon as he signs his franchise tender, the contract offer Phil has on his desk will be torn up. If I'm Phil, I aquire a RB next year via FA and tell Matt bye bye. Look at our current roster, we have the talent to win the Super Bowl without Matt or adding a RB to the roster.

  • In my opinion Artoo, Forte will not get the payday he seeks. Now if he comes down from his demands, that's a different story but the way I see it, he'll be gone next year and what does that leave us with. I think that his numbers are gonna come back down to earth after the Bears prove that we can be more successful taking away half of his touches with Bush and Marshall in the lineup. They will not franchise him again next year and he will be looking for a job with absolutely no bargaining power.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    I understand but he will sign and unless Phil can get a 1st pick and Osi, I dont like it

  • We'd be swapping dollars and positions with each other which is what both of us need. Practically speaking, Forte no longer has the value he used to cause we got Marshall and Bush. His touches are gonna be severely reduced. Matt will never have the value for the Bears again that he's had for the last 3 yrs, ever. Why do you think that Matt got so pissed when the Bears signed Bush? Because he knows this. I get your love for the guy Artoo, I really do but if your'e gonna kick your journalistic aspirations up to the next level, you're gonna have to acknowledge the bussiness side to this sport.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    I wanted to to trade Forte a long time ago.

    I see what you are saying but I cant see the Bears giving Forte away for less than what he is worth. It makes us look desperate and ill managed.
    Why f

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    Osi is 31. It's a tough one, but if you're playing 'win now' then you'd have to think about it. Draft Branch and play him as LB and then draft Lamar Williams in the second to replace Forte. That's a seriously awesome front 7 - way better than any other in the league, by some degree. Tall WR in the third. That's a Lombardi right there. So, yes.

  • You make too much sense Sir. Stop it will you. 911........Hmmmm.

  • Shall we?...E-Trains surprise pick:?

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    Wouldn't even take him at 19 and neither will the Bears. Lovie loves Wright and wants to get an off-season into him.

  • I like this guy better than the Judge.

  • Floyd's dropping......can we get him?:

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    If he's there at 19, I see Emery trading down, and maybe getting Branch and Hill. Nice.

  • Lovie will have his penis in Emery's ear for a DE and then leave the rest of the draft to him. Roy's read on Lovie was 1. Coples 2. Branch 3. Jones.

  • IRISH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! on coples...bad juju!!!!


  • Artoo, good to have you back man. You're a young guy and you've gone through a lot in the last couple of weeks. Keep your head up and keep bringing the good wood.

  • Another dude that I believe will be stellar is Marvin Mcnutt. I hope Bears take him. I saw some highlights and is crazy with the receiving but he's not that fast. Any who, I believe you guys talked about him before but just want an updated analysis on the guy.


  • Let's have a contest then. Bragging rights. Just call it: who will it be?

    Not what you think it should be, but what Emery WILL do. Draft roulette, put your chips on the number, the wheel is about to spin.

    I will go with Michael Brockers, DT from LSU. I think Emery sees Merciless as a reach, and won't risk it, no matter what Lovie sticks in his orifices:

    I also think Emery sees what I see: Flatbread is a bust. Double-A is gone. Melton Butter was just ok. Okeye is not back in house, but Izzy is.

    Brockers would fill a need for a run stopper on the right side next to Pep. He's got a low chance of being a total bust, and will start games. At 6'5, 323, Brockers is a horse. Bigger than Tommie ever was, the guy will clog lanes. There will be corners to be had in Rnd 2, and that's our biggest need.

    So, there are my chips. Let 'er ride.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Once more with feeling: Mercilus.
    Melton is better than OK, and Izzy should move back inside with a high pick on DE.

    Your theory on Brockers having the lowest chance of being a total bust sounds oddly familiar - wait, wasn't that Glitchy's "highest floor" philosophy?

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    You can call me an asshole and/or a thug or most anything else, but please don't compare me to Jerry Angelo.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    You're on GP. I'm still sticking with Dre K.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    Sorry I missed the part last thread where you already started the contest.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    If he's got 7 players in mind a trade doesn't sound likely, unless he feels he can get two of the guys by trading down if there are fallers.

    Brockers is 29 on Mayock's board, Chandler Jones is 9. He's got Coples at 21. I think they go DE, Jones if he's there, Coples if he isn't. Lovie won't be able to resist the 6'6 Coples and maybe feels the ghost of Mark Anderson. Branch in the second.

    Won't cry if they go big DT in the first though, as long as we get Branch.

  • Jeff -

    Reminder: Call the bar today and have them add Serengeti to the jukebox.

  • We have picked up Wr, Ol, and Db. We are set at Rb, Qb, and Mlb.

    Sounds like we are looking at De or Dt if we are in a win now mode.

    Still sticking with Merciless

  • Confused. Where did we pick up a DB besides resigning Jennings? And how are we set at MLB if Lach goes down?

    I'll let my prediction stand, we will not pick at #19.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    By set, I mean would any LB in the draft start over Briggs or Urlacher.

    Did we not pick up Hayden? Would we draft a CB in the first? To each his own.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    We signed Kelvin Hayden and Jonathan Wilhite as corners, so we've got some competition in camp there. Have thought for years we need somebody to stand in for Lac, moreso now than ever, which makes me feel like a Hightower/McClellin type body could do that.

    After hearing Roy's analysis of Mercilus' tape, he sounds like a bust.
    I'm leaning toward a trade too, likely downwards - [erhaps triggered by Floyd being on the board at 19. We could turn that pick into Brockers/Perry, something like that, then still grab Andre Branch in the second. Starters at DE/DT/LB in the first two rounds.

  • Nick Collins has been released

  • The nice guy way to see this, is that the Packers did the right thing: they looked out for a kid's health over their own selfish needs.

    The asshole way to look at this, is that anything that hurts the Packers is good for us, even spinal injuries. They just lost a Pro Bowl safety that, besides Woodson, was the cornerstone of their secondary.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    And Woodson has gotten another year older. I'm starting to smell major hair burning all accross Cheeseland already.

  • Osi just said if you trade for him that you will not have to redo his contract

  • Vontaze Burifict flunked his drug test

  • Woooooow. Dude seriously does not want the privelage to play in the NFL. Oh well

  • Did you make that up?

  • Hosley from VA Tech flunked his drug test too. He is a corner

  • New thread-a-rewsky.

  • I'm giddy boys and the reason is that a strong Bears team is about to get a little stronger. The NFL draft is a little weird to me. The fact that there are so many new players coming into the league every year means that dozens and dozens if not hundreds and hundreds of good solid players are passed up on every year.

    Drafting a running back in the first round is absolute lunacy in most situations. With a strong offensive line you can take an above average running back and have Terrell Davis or Emmit Smith. With a weak offensive line you NEED Barry Sanders or Walter Payton.

    Forte is a weapon but alot of his upside is in the passing game and not just as a runner. Focusing on OL and DT/DE is a good way to make sure you don't need HOF players at other positions just to compete.

    Bears will draft DL/OL and possibly Linebacker/Safety if a sick pick is available.
    Corner has been addressed with Hayden and Wihilte and the emergence of Moore at Nickel and Wihilte is an experienced corner and has been in the league several years. I would take that over a 3rd round pick or lower that puts an untested rookie into the fire.
    Linebacker was partially addressed with the addition of Geno Hayes to compete with Roach at SSLB.
    Safety was not addressed, DE was not addressed and it is unclear at this time if we are keeping the guy we picked up last year from the Falcons at DE who is actually not that bad, he's just older.
    OL was not addressed and it remains to be seen if Rachal is Omiyale 2.0 or not.
    DL was brutal for the Bears this offseason. We lost Okoye and let Adams go. Both were solid performers, Adams had an injury plagued year and Okoye did well but was released since peanuts seems to be too much money to keep him. Now we have to draft a rookie to fill the gap and hope that Paea can step up. Toe is who he is so we can't expect top caliber play from him.
    WR is all set and the addition of another big body is easily done later in the draft which means we won't be taking a WR in the first round. Toon seems like a bigger target with a nice skill set but the type of player, not necessarily the player himself will be the target. You won't see Wright on this team.

    Running back is set since Forte won't hold out and Bush/Bell as backups has a nice ring to it. Clutts is the new Bob Christian but with more blocking and ball skills.

    TE is weird because we have KD and 2 other nameless faceless large white WR/TE type guys and Spaeth as well if we keep him.

    QB is set with the gunslinger and Campbell in reserve.

    All of this means that we will look for DL/OL/LB/S in the draft.

  • The CBs, Hayes and the Rachal signings look to be just depth and competition, not to be expected starters. Chilo and Geno in particular, are nothing other than camp bodies.

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