Bears Trading for Osi Umenyiora Would Be Brilliant Move for 2012

Bears Trading for Osi Umenyiora Would Be Brilliant Move for 2012

NOTE: Don't forget that I'll be hosting the first ever DaBearsBlog First Round Draft Party Thursday night at Cortland's Garage in Bucktown. At the party we'll be giving away a pair of lower tier tickets for the October 28th Bears vs. Panthers game at Soldier Field. (There will also be a $25 open bar from the second the Colts go on the clock until the final pick of the round is made.) For full details on the party, CLICK HERE.

Osi Umenyiora is talking.. This in itself is not surprising. That he's talking to Tom Rock of Newsday is a bit more of a surprise.. Having failed to receive the lucrative contract extension he sought from the New York Giants it seems he is using the week leading up to the draft to make the case that trading him is the best option for all concerned. PFT breaks down the scenario:

Umenyiora, who has fought with the Giants about renegotiating his contract for most of the last few years, told Rock that a team trading for him wouldn’t need toredo his contract. Umenyiora has complained about his backup status with the Giants and could feel like a starting role on another team would best set him up to hit free agency next year. This would be the optimal time for the Giants to trade Umenyiora, something he clearly knows, and making his willingness to play under his current deal — a reasonable $3.975 million for this season — is a good way to generate some interest.

If the cost is not excessive, this is a no-brainer decision for the Bears organization looking to win big in 2012. Why?

  1. Umenyiora was the best pure pass rusher on a defensive front that included Justin Tuck and JPP. If he were able to work opposite Julius Peppers, facing consistent one-on-ones with opposing tackles, they would form one of the league's most formidable rush duos.
  2. It is a contract year and the Bears know they'd  getting a player looking to stay on the field for as many snaps as possible and play as well as he had in his career. It is not a move for the long-term. It is a move to win now.
  3. It would enable the Bears to draft a project on the edge - someone who will not be forced to make a major contribution in his rookie season.

He wants out of New Jersey and the Giants know they can get something now. If Phil Emery can get them to take a third-round selection the real question is...why not?

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  • Simply marvelous thread Jeff, just marvelous.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    A third rounder? Hell yes.
    Matt Forte? Absolutely not.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    We wouldn't get a third for Matt, but if we get Osi it blows the draft wide open for us. However the Giants won't want to pay Matt, so a third for Osi sounds perfect for a win-now team like us, and we keep Matt for the year. No development required with Osi, plug him in and turn him loose. It would free us up to go DT in the first, Branch in the second.

    DL : Osi, Melton, Brockers/Poe/Cox, Pep.
    LBs : Briggs, Lac, Branch

    If there's a better 7 than that in the NFL I'd like to see it. Draft Toon or somebody like that in the 4th. Win Superbowl.

    Time to get pumped. High definition, 'The Speech', let's roll.

  • Im guessing you're not a Paea fan just yet??

  • In reply to OsosFan:

    Flatbread gets no love around here...but he will.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I hope he does soon! lol

  • In reply to OsosFan:

    One of Jerry's Youtubers. Mayock had him pegged pre-draft, no nose for football, like Mercilus.

  • Right - you get 16.5 sacks against Big10 competition by having no nose for football.,
    What the fuck ever.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Absolutely I,
    Agree there is just no way
    Osi's worth Forte

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    Burma Shave!

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Speaking of which, have we heard from Al recently?

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    Haiku 2 days in a row, nice style points.

  • In reply to Shady:

    But more style points
    Garnered by Mister Shady
    As first to notice

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    Ah, thank you SC Dave-san. Grasshopper learns from master sensei. But seriously, do you remembered who started the haiku thing on here?

  • In reply to Shady:

    Would not shock me if it was Irish either...

  • In reply to Shady:

    Was that you or GPL?

  • It would be extremely dope.

  • The cuts needed would be too deep Jefe and who would you trade?. I'd love a healthy Osi and Pep but is Osi even healthy? Old and operated on is a tough combo.

    Good point that he would be fucking balls out this year looking to get that last huge payday.

    we'll see, it's only a day away.

  • We shall Pep-Si. Or how bout this, anyone want a Pep-Si.

  • We only need him for one glorious year. Cut Spencer, that's half Osi's salary staright away.. Of course Forte is becoming a problem and would basically pay Osi's salary. Keeping the 3rd rounder could get us LAmar Williams, but the Giants likely don't want to pay Matt.

  • I'm not going to go all MBP on you irish... but you really do need to stop trying to add by subtraction. it makes zero sense. We need more olinemen, not less maings.

    Spencer sucked as a center in seattle, but he was a decent guard for us... or at least until we can replace him with a real guard that's really good at football. That's the issue. You can't just trade these guys away from one of our worst units without a path in place to replace him with someone better. see what I'm saying lad?

  • we'd be in a much better position if we kept Okoye. just saing mang.

  • I'd take the upside of having Osi for a year over Okoye Johhny. If we had of resigned Okoye, trading for Osi wouldn't even be an option.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    why not? Okoye is going to make 1.2 Mil this year and plays tackle. He is 25 playing on a 1yr contract for nothing.

    You could have done both. Keep a vet at 25yrs old and healthy and not have to draft a DT rookie to see if he can hack it.

  • Could be behind the scenes stuff we don't know about, or Maranelli just said no, or they're planning on getting a proper DT in the draft.

  • Yeah he's 25, but he has a fair amount of mileage on him; he's been in the NFL what, five years now?

  • My bad Johnny. I thought he signed for around 3 Mil somewhere.

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    A couple months ago, this would have sounded ideal. I like the idea of getting younger and better at the same time. Although, pulling this deal off and drafting a DT/CB in round 1 and 2 would set the defense up very nicely.

  • It's 4 million for one year. You restructure a few guys and it's done. Teams maneuver around the cap daily. They can do it.

  • In reply to Jeff Hughes:

    I was being a little extreme last thread about Forte being in a trade for him Jeff but do you see a player trade being a possibility at all?

  • In reply to Jeff Hughes:

    Jeez 4M?? Do it, we're wasting our time even thinking about it.

  • A 3rd straight up for Osi? Why the hell not. Any additional added to it would be a No-No.

    Dream scenario: Queens are looking real hard at trading the 3rd pick. Our 1st and say...IDK...a 4th to move up to take Kalil? Dreaming yes, but my dream came true when Angie got fired.

    As for Burfict....can a kid be so dumb? knowing they WILL test for drugs at the combine. Sad. he need direction in his life. he was sheltered and babied by Erricson...then BLAMED for the teams problems after the fight. With all that being said, I'd still take him VERY late. His upside is sky high. You dont expect much out of the late round picks other than maybe special teams. He was prejected as the NATIONAL Defensive P.O.T.Y at start of 2011. Surefire first rounder. So his upside far out weighs any bust. Bears will kick themselves if Steelers or Ravens grab him late and he becomes what he can be. Similar to the T. Suggs situation and he turned out good. Think Lach n Briggs can turn him around. If not, then there is no hope for him and we've lost nothing as he was drafted so late.

    Realistically I think the 19th pick will be Dre K.

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    In reply to BAM46Blitz:

    Dre K. No. d-line yes. Stupid kids in college.. Duh. Given the Bears history with pot-heads wouldn't touch him.

  • How many teams that have used the idea win now strategy and it worked?

  • Artoo, Teams do it every day when they draft, re-sign or trade for a player. Don't mistake a good move with a desperate one.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    I remember when the Vikings did it.

    I am not upset with any of ourmoves so far. Jw if the win now approach works.

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    Bears might be in a position to do both.

  • We can be the first, we were so close but had Angela Cockface eating into us from the inside out.

  • we have had the team to go to the superbowl for the last several years. Adding a key piece puts us there.

  • No we didn't. We've had most of the pieces. But not all of them. With Cutler and Forte last year, San Francisco, Green Bay, were both better than the Bears.

  • In reply to Big Mike:

    I completely disagree that San Francisco was better than the Bears.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    Healthy, there's no doubt in my mind that we were better - I wholeheartedly agree.

  • In reply to Big Mike:

    Green Bay had no defense. The Niners have Alex Smith. We get Osi and have a good draft and we're better than everyone in the NFL. The line isn't perfect, but they'll be better this year. Jebus, the Giants won the superbowl ... and if we take away one of their pass rushers ... happy days. We're going to kick the shit out of the Packers and Lions this year. The Giants are nothing special, have lost key players (or will have if Osi goes), and the Niners QB is you-know-who. Romo can't do anything in the playoffs, and Philly don't do very well against us.

    Osi is the last FA piece. I want to go to bed and wake up with Osi a Bear. Umenyiora. Ogunleye. It fits. For the love of Halas, make it so.

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    Absolutely. With or Without Osi, we are the team to beat in the NFC. Last year.. I just don't think we had enough offense to get past that SF defense.

    Playing GB is always a toss up and we've been on the short end lately.

  • I've wanted Osi for a few years now. Ever since Cutty got sacked 9x against the Giants on Sunday Night Football, I've dreamed of a pass rush like that.

    Also taking a stud DE from the defending champs can only help our outlook in the long run. Especially if we happen to meet them in the playoffs

  • Giants would have no interest in this Forte contract expectation. I think it's going to prohibit any team from really wanting Forte. I do think the Browns could conceivably be in play tomorrow night should Trent Richardson be gone before they select. But that would mean another team leaping them to take him. (Minnesota will not)

  • In reply to Jeff Hughes:

    The Vikings did take Ponder at 12 last year - their ineptness knows no bounds.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Not sure I'd write off Ponder just yet.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    He's a white version of Joe Webb.
    I was not impressed. To be fair, maybe he'll look better if they actually do the smart thing and get Kalil.
    But that brings me back to the bigger problem for me with that selection: they took a project QB in the high first round and passed on some desperately needed help at OT and interior O line.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    sounds familiar.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I don't want a project - I want at least a 3rd down pass rusher and probable starter at DE.
    I got yer point though...

    "MBP" - now you're using me as a verb?


  • If Kahlil slips, say past the Rams at 6... knowing the jags wanna trade out of the #7 spot, could we offer our 1st, our 4th, and maybe next year's 2nd to get them to swap?

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    In reply to jimmychange:

    The Jags might not want out of that spot if Kahlil is there. Even if they do, their asking price probably has gone way up at that point in time. If they'd take the trade you propose, I'd say it's a done deal.

    The downside is, the defense just got a year older and we've spent 1/2 of our top 4 picks for the next 2 years on offense

  • In reply to jimmychange:

    And fuck our defense? Gabe could still potentially end up at LT, or CW. We have to fix the DL now, the OL will surprise people with Tice's scheming.

  • Our defense SHOULD be good for another season or two. The DE spot is pretty deep in the draft this year too. Carimi was always supposed to be a RT, and we've already seen CW at LT and that didn'tt work out.

    Kahlil is future pro-bowl LT.... I don't see how we pass on him if we can swing a deal.

  • In reply to jimmychange:

    Agreed. Emery should monitor this closely, Khalil is a guy to trade up for. You build around your franchise, the QB. The Marshall signing was huge, but he stilll needs guys up front to make sure he doesn't die. Tice is going to help. A bit. Its still comes down to talent and the Bears are lacking it where Cutler needs it the most.

  • Sorry Johnny but Okoye never looked like this. Did he?

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    Damn, imagine him with one of the the top three tackles, and Pep on the other end. We could leave Melton on the bench, rush three and never have to blitz. Osi, Cox/Poe/Brockers, and Branch. Mang oh mang. I was pumped for the offense this season, but being pumped for Offense, defense AND special teams .... all for a third round pick.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    they play different positions Trac.


  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    ha, i couldn't decipher whether you were telling me to shut up or that you really just want a Charleston Chew.

  • All in good fun amongst friends Johnny.

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    In reply to TracDaddy:

    Why is 82 of the Bears trying to Block a DE? UGH. Does anyone miss Martz?

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    all I can say is GLAD YOU ARSE IS GONE OMELET!!!!

  • Watch that video above boys. I want Osi, I want him badly. Really really really badly.

  • I'm sort of daydreaming about this DL rotation:


    Rotating in:

    Izz-Toe-Flatbread-Chauncey Davis

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Backed by:


    Backed by:

    Trumaine Johnson - Pringles - Math Teacher - Peanut

  • In reply to gpldan:

    GP, with that lineup, I'd call up the Caymans for a sizable wire transfer, then I'd call Vegas.

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    In reply to gpldan:

    who is flat bread and why?

  • In reply to Big Mike:

    That was one of mine.

    Stephen Paea. Sounds like Paella, which is actually a Spanish Rice dish, also popular in Peru, but also sounds like it could be bread.

    Paea was often pancaked throughout pre-season last year. Totally run over flat on his back like a turtle turned over. It was ugly. Canada or perhaps NBIT suggested there were leg issues, and he came in later in the year in short stints at DT and made some decent plays and seemed to do better, but often stunted or lined up offset to the gap so he could use his quickness.

    I proclaimed him a total and complete bust, and an egregious blown draft choice, mainly because MB, myself and MBHP were calling for Moffitt last year at 2. Didn't happen. Glitchy fell in love with Flatbread's combine reps and that was that.

    I hope he doesn't get pancaked again this pre-season, I hope he worked on his lower body strength, because that's the gist of his issues. I have called him the 2nd coming of Chris Zorich, and that has offended some of the regulars who still think this guy is a workable project and chided me for dumping on him.

    There you go.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I also liked Orlando Franklin and Rodney Hudson, but still hold out hope for Flatbread!

    DT generally don't start on fire like Harris or Suh, so here's hoping that his 49 rep arms can move more than inanimate objects.

  • btw, Paea 5.79 (PFW Grade), which is a solid 2nd round grade. Still, he really divided the scouts. Even Hub goes back and forth on him - I know the feeling.

  • Not to mention there was no off season to get acclimated to the scheme + having a bum wheel to start the season.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    He won the Brian Piccolo award, the team must have seen some improvement in his game and dedication to become better. He will destroyo-lines playing the 3 gap this season! (I love being optimistic about any hard orking Bears player :)

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Yeah, in classic fashion Jerry fucked the dog on the second rd pick. Instead of moving up for Franklin in the second and Moffitt in the third, which would pretty much have solved all of our line issues last year (both franklin and moffitt did well as starters in their rookie years from what I read), instead we moved up for Paea.

    Again, he may turn out to be ok, but we moved up to get him (when he was projected to fall) and he's just another DT right now. Yes, he showed us a couple good plays end of the year, but was he worth moving up in the second and not getting a guy that could have been a frnachise OT?

    No.... is the appropriate answer.

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    In reply to gpldan:

    I get the football analysis. I guess you had to be there to get from paella to flatbread.

    I think Paea is going to be a stud this year. .

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Woot! Woot! And damn, Izzy, my main mang.

  • woot is a fucking huge pez dispenser what will not make the squad this year. Luckily for him, he will have that whole "I ended brett farve's career' thing to tell his grand kids.

    buh bye.

  • In reply to MB30SD:


  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Fucking Wildcat loser.

  • Smoooooke on the waaater... bum bum bum..bum bum de dum...

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Absolutely. Let's win the damn superbowl and worry about our old-ass defense next year.

  • I just watched some highlights from the various DE's and DT's that will be drafted and the guy that played most like a pussy while half assing it was Coples. No thanks on that shit. Cox and Brockers seem to play angry and even Devon Still (Anthony Adams) seems to have way more fire than Coples.

  • Yeah, I came away with the same impression Flesh Canon.

    People specualted that he was playing not to get injured last year, or that he's just plain lazy, or worse, lacks passion.

    Not sure if even Marinelli can coach that up, but at least Coples copped to it (see how I did that?)

    And the first step towards changing is admitting one's mistakes.

  • and knowing is half the battle

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Yo Joe!

    I actually have a funny story about that. (insert Flash back warp...)

    Time: sometime during the 80s, Xmas
    Setting: Kmart

    It was packed. Me, my cuz, and a bunch of snotty kids were scavenging through all the GI Joes like madmen trying to find a Storm Shadow. At long last, my cuz found one. He was so happy! He began running down the aisles to me, prize lifted like a lombardi. Then, all of a sudden, without me even noticing, some kid in full sprint came from behind and snatched it from him, then like a ninja disappeared in the mesh of Xmas humanity and endless rows.

    My cuz began crying, and I still laugh about it to this day.

    Yo Joe!

  • Hilarious! Love it.

  • Voila! Butch’s 1st Round Cheat-Sheet 2012

    On your left, Mayock’s Top 40 (which should cover the 1st rd). On your right, ProFootballWeekly’s rank, grade, and the round the prospects SHOULD go in based purely on talent, not need. Example, DE Chandler Jones might be drafted in the 1st, but really he should be drafted at the beginning of the 2nd. A = early; B=middle; C=late round.

    Generally, “Risers” and “Fallers” influence Mayock more than PFW which doesn’t really change. I.E. Shea McClellin might be ranked #14 by Mayock since he’s hearing teams like the Pack and Pats are interested, but PFW doesn’t factor in such hype, so they still slot him at #139 on their boards.

    PFW Grades are more intricate, so here’s the link if you want to know how they evaluate.

    PFW Grade Criteria


    9.00-6.00 = 1st round talent
    5.99-5.50 = 2nd
    5.40-5.49 = 3rd

    Mayock’s Top 40---------------------PFW Rank…Grade…Rd

    1. Andrew Luck, QB, Stanford …………1.……8.50.…1A
    2. Robert Griffin III, QB, Baylor………..6.……6.70.…1B
    3. Trent Richardson, RB, Alabama………2.……7.50.…1A
    4. Morris Claiborne, CB, LSU……………3……7.00.….1A
    5. Matt Kalil, OT, Southern California…..5.……6.75.….1B
    6. Luke Kuechly, ILB, Boston College…..9.……6.30.….1C
    7. Mark Barron, SS, Alabama……………10.…..6.60.….1B
    8. Stephon Gilmore, CB, South Carolina…25.….5.95.….2A
    9. Chandler Jones, DE, Syracuse………….30.….5.90.…2A
    10. Justin Blackmon, WR, Oklahoma State..7.…..6.60.…1B

    11. Fletcher Cox, DT, Mississippi State….4.……6.80.…1A
    12. Michael Floyd, WR, Notre Dame…….17.…..6.18.…1B
    13. Dontari Poe, DT, Memphis……………11.….6.25.…1C
    14. Shea McClellin, OLB, Boise State……139.…5.30.…4A
    15. Dont'a Hightower, ILB, Alabama…….12.…..6.23.…1C
    16. Kendall Wright, WR, Baylor…………17.…..5.90.…2A
    17. Doug Martin, RB, Boise State………..29.….5.92.….2A
    18. Melvin Ingram, OLB, South Carolina….8…..6.45.….1C
    19. Ryan Tannehill, QB, Texas A&M……21.….6.10.….1C
    20. Riley Reiff, OT, Iowa…………………15.…6.20.…..1C

    21. Quinton Coples, DE, North Carolina…14.…6.21.….1C
    22. Whitney Mercilus, OLB, Illinois……..48.….5.75.….2B
    23. Courtney Upshaw, DE, Alabama……..18.…..6.17.…1C
    24. David DeCastro, G, Stanford………….13.….6.22.….1C
    25. Cordy Glenn, OT, Georgia…………….19.….6.15.…1C
    26. Jerel Worthy, DT, Michigan State…….27.….5.95.….2A
    27. Dre Kirkpatrick, CB, Alabama………..23.….5.97.…2A
    28. Harrison Smith, SS, Notre Dame……..57.….5.65.…..2B
    29. Michael Brockers, DT, LSU………….16.….6.19.…..1C
    30. Vinny Curry, DE, Marshall………….54.……5.65.….2A

    31. Kevin Zeitler, G, Wisconsin………….22.….6.05.….1C
    32. Stephen Hill, WR, Georgia Tech……..44.….5.80.…..2A
    33. David Wilson, RB, Virginia Tech…….26.….5.95.….2A
    34. Jonathan Martin, OT, Stanford………125.…5.35.…..4A
    35. Brandon Weeden, QB, Oklahoma St....60.….5.60.….2B
    36. Jeff Allen, OT, Illinois……………….34.….5.85.…..2A
    37. Amini Silatolu, G, Midwestern State…20.….6.15.….1C
    38. Coby Fleener, TE, Stanford……………33.…5.90.….2A
    39. Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt………110.….5.37.…4A
    40. Peter Konz, C, Wisconsin……………..28.…..5.95.….2A

  • Based on that grading, the Bears will take Floyd if he's still there at 19?

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    AbsoFreakinLoutely they would Trac.

    Keep in mind that PFW factors in character concern, injuries, one hit wonders, etc...

    The only reason Floyd isn't graded higher is because of his 3 alcohol incidents, which some teams will be more than willing to overlook. That's why he's mocked as being long gone before we even get on the clock.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    Somebody will want him more than us at 19, and we grab our two picks fir the 19th. DL/LB.

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    In reply to TracDaddy:

    Kuechly 6, 9, 6.30 vs Floyd 12,17,6.18. Kuechly is higher in every category except the final one, which appears to take into account the relative value of a "position". (IE Receivers over Linebackers).

  • Footnote. For comparison, here are some of the PFW Grades for prospects from the last two drafts. Obviously, it’s not an exact science, but they’re somewhat indicative.

    QB Bradford…7.25...(2010)
    QB Cam Newton…5.99... (2011)
    HB C.J Spiller… 6.85...(‘10)
    HB Ingram ….6.21...(‘11)
    WR A.J. Green…8.20...(‘11)
    WR J. Jones…7.00...(‘11)
    WR Dez Bryant…6.50...(‘10)
    TE Gresham…6.35...(‘10)
    TE Gronk…5.90...(‘10)
    LT Okung…6.70...(‘10)
    LT Bulaga…6.60...(‘10)
    C Pouncey…6.15...(‘10)

    LB Von Miller…8.50...(‘11)
    OLB Rolondo McClain…6.35...(‘10)
    ILB Brandon Spikes…5.65...(‘10)
    CB Patrick Peterson…8.00...(‘11)
    CB Joe Haden…6.35...(‘10)
    DT Suh…7.30...(‘10)
    DT Dareus…6.60...(‘11)
    DE J.P.P…5.50...(10)
    DE Aldon Smith…6.30...(‘11)
    DE Quinn…6.45...(‘11)
    FS Berry…6.65...(‘10)

    DE Wooton 5.60 (10)
    OT Carimi 6.15 (11)

    19th pick avg grade approx. 6.18-6.40

  • On the Osi note, if JA were still GM I may go for that trade, but not with Emery heading the draft. If we make that trade we become the Eagles, Vikes, Redskins, etc going all in. It usually doesn't work.

    I'm a long term man. If anything, we should trade down this year and gain MORE draft picks. Seems to work for the Pack and the Pats...

  • not with alot of our top talent at the end of their careers mang. We need the last pieces of the puzzle. WR was one main one. DE is the other and OL always helps.

    It's time to fucking win this like we should have all these years. Angelo you fucking pissmop.

  • pissmop... I like that.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    hee hee, you wouldn't like how i found out about it. Damn pop up ads on the interwebs...

    Took me to some weird german pee cam site. I was just looking for a good old american pee cam site.

  • i can't even read my post without laughing out loud. My co-worker asked me what i was laughing at and all i said was, "shut up pissmop". He spit his coffee all over the desk and we giggled like little girls. I love being in sales.

  • The word "asshat" caused almost the same reaction in my office. Except the person that said it was this shy quiet lady. Coffee everywhere.

  • "I was just looking for a good old american pee cam site"!?!

    Truly hilarious.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I wanted to laud
    That Angelo alias
    But you won the race

  • Those are the other two teams that I forgot about

  • All-in? It's only a 3rd rounder. Any DE will be a project. Osi is a pro. Emery has admitted we need to win-now.

  • If we trade for Osi, I bet we cut Spencer or CW. Both are being paid well and not performing up to their contracts.

  • there is no way we cut either. OL is the biggest weakness on this team and Spencer got better through the year. CW was playing well at G before getting hurt.

  • They better restructure their contract. We are over paying both.

  • no doubt

  • CW has a $1.5 M or so roster bonus (not sure when it kicks in), for a total paycheck this year of about $2.5M. I would normally expect him to play the first few weeks and, if he can replicate success from last season, restructure into a 2 year deal. But with the roster bonus possibly not due until the later in the off-season, I think he'll either restructure prior to bonus or else get cut.

    Spencer... probably depends who we draft. But his real value is as the #2 center, not as the starting guard. If he gets beat by LL and CW for a guard spot, he still makes the team as our swing guy inside.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    Garza was rated 31st center? Spencer was 30th ? We need to draft a fucking center, period.

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    Those rankings are crap.

  • In reply to Big Mike:

    Thank you.

  • Mang, we have 9 guards on the roster. 9. We don't need Spencer. We need cash.

  • Wouldn't mind upgrading the postion if DeCastro falls to 19, probably won't, but if he does that would be a major, major upgrade.

  • Artoo, you're slacking! OK, I'll cut you some slack:

    Asante Samuel traded to Falcons (for presumably a 5-7th round pick).

    Good. One more CB for us to choose from in the draft.

  • I said it on the last thread.

  • Dang, didn't check that. I retract my statement...

  • Emery himself said that the draft involves a little bit of luck (not named Andrew), so dust off your rabbit foots and luck charms, gentlemen. In order for us to get a solid prospect at 19 a few things need to happen.

    1) QB Tannenhill must be drafted, either by the Browns or Fins. If Tannenhill gets drafted by the Browns at 4, then there's a slight possibility that the Fins get desperate and pick QB Weeden. That means we can get a top 15 prospect, like moving up 4 spots for free.

    2) Ingram, Upshaw and Hightower need to get drafted before we get on the clock. They're solid guys, just don't fit our system as much.

    3) Chandler Jones and Dontari Poe must be reached for.

    If all these events unfold, that would mean one of these players would undoubtedly fall to #19

    DE Coples
    DE Mercilus
    DT Brockers
    DT Cox
    LB Kuechly
    S Barron
    G DeCastro
    OT Reiff
    WR Floyd
    CB Gilmore

    That would be the best (realistic) scenario for Da Bears. So where your lucky Bear print undies, gentlemen...

  • holy fucksticks!!!!

    Who the hell do you choose from that group? $, give me your top five in order. Here are mine:

    1. Reiff (Only because we need a Tackle so damn badly, but is he projected as a R or L… I don’t know?)
    2. Kuechly (lach's 10+ year replacement)
    3. Coples (I think he might be another peppers and just needs vets to help him pull his head out of his ass)
    4. Barron (I'd love to list him 2nd but realistically I don’t know if he’s another mike brown… and Kuechly seems to have the tape to prove that he’s the much bigger BPA)
    5. Floyd (we already have brandon marshall, but getting floyd too would be just so silly silly silly... and the alcohol thing is ridiculous. Do you know how many times I could have been arrested for alkeyhol AND probably assault in college?!)

    So that’s my top five out of that insane group… what about you guys?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Not all of those would be on the board (if we had lost to the Vikes, they would), but between those guys, wow, that would be tough. But here would be my Top 5 from that list.

    1) DT Cox. I dare not say "I love Cox" on this blog, but you get the point. This is a passing league. He's got an insane 10yd split, esp for his size, which reminds me of Harris.

    2) LB Kuechly. He's just so solid. He's got the holy trinity: production, athleticism, intangibles. To me, he's a sure thing.

    3) DE Coples. Again, this is such a pass happy league now that pass rush becomes paramount. Like I said before, if I had to draft Coples at my star RE, I wouldn't. But we don't need him for that, so he'd be a good pick.

    4) S Barron. Wright always gets injured. The next best SS will be drafted in the 4rth. He doesn't exactly excel in coverage, but if he did, he would be Top 5. At 19, he'd be a steal.

    5) WR Floyd. Just too much potential there. He reminds me of a young Boldin. Tough, Physical, mitten hands. Him and Beast on the field would be a scary scary sight for the Meows and Fudge.

  • with on you all of that, although I know nothing of cox....

    speaking of, you don't need to be ashamed to love cox man. There's nothing wrong with that... you be strong and it doesn't matter which partner you love.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I'm more of a "Cocks Man"

    Or "Motor Boating Son of a Bitch" if you will,

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    1) Kuechy
    2) Kuechly

    You get the picture
    Next Hall of Fame linebacker
    Come home to Chi' town

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    Listen, if he's BPA I say we take him.....

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Maybe that's why you didn't get drafted, MB? Ya ever think of that?

  • i hadn't doc... I had.... not.

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    In reply to MB30SD:


  • I appreciate the analysis Butch, and I will be renewing my subscription to your newsletter shortly.

  • From that list?

    1. Kuechly.
    2. Cox.
    3. Brockers.
    4. Trade down.

  • Kevin Seifert things the Bears have to start drafting replacements for Lach, Tillman, Peppers and Briggs or take the short term, win now approach. He doesn't think Emery will be able to do both.
    Thinks LB & CB for the long term or Dline & Oline for the here and now.

    Here's the video.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    drafting super badasses at DL and OL is the cornerstone of football and fulfills short and long term goals. It is in fact a "timeless move".

    With a badass OL Michael Bush would be lauded for his 1100 yard season and the name Matt Forte would fade. With Marshall and the intelligent use of Bennett, KD, Thomas and Hester you don't need your running back to catch 50 balls. If he does catch 50 balls that means that teams are dragging their fear boners all over the field to cover Marshall and Hester deep and the middle of the field is ripe for Forte to molest all season.

  • not saying Bush is better than Forte, just that filling the line with HOGS always helps make others looke really good. Short/Mid/Long term.

  • +1 with more zeros than this shitty site code can handle.

  • As does the converse

  • That's the type of reasoning I don't get. If we improve our OL we can get by with a second string RB. If our second stringer is getting 1100 yds our first stringer would be over 1500. Like you mention in the next post, if Forte is getting the ball in the middle of the field and the DB's are in another time zone, Halle-fucking-Lulla. He's going to the house. Bush would pick up some good yardage but he's not going downtown.

    I really don't get why everyone is so worked up over Forte's contract status. This happens all the time (ask Baltimore with Rice). If he is still holding out once training camp starts, OK, I'm with you guys. Until then, he's trying to get a payday and using the only leverage he has.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Fuck yes, Canada.
    I absolutely cannot understand the Forte hate on this blog.

    He was, and will be, the #1 yard gainer on the offense. Easily... by far... wet dreams about Marshall notwithstanding.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:


    "not saying Bush is better than Forte, just that filling the line with HOGS always helps make others looke really good. Short/Mid/Long term."

    You're taking my post out of context. Trac and I were talking about Seifert's short vs long term view of the draft. I was making the point that drafting OL and DL is a short/mid/long term strategy. I was just using Bush/Forte as an example. People talk about Forte being X % of the offense. The reason why he was that high of a % is because Angelo absolutely refused to address OL and WR. It is no coincidence that Forte led the league in runs for losses and no gain.
    There is no Forte hate in my camp. I love the dude but I sincerely hope you were as frustrated and pissed off that our running back had to be that big of a factor considering we have a franchise qb for the first time EVER.

    If you have solid OL you don't necessarily need an absolute superstar at RB to be successfull. If you have a solid DL you don't necessarily need HOF linebackers to be successfull. Short/Mid/Long term thinking

  • Hogs. Timmy Smith. No argument.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    Seifert is a 4-letter network guy, but not a total douche.

    I'm fairly sold now we're taking Brockers and making our run this year. I'm fairly certain that the cover story right now on is a smoke screen and, in fact, we'll address defense in both rounds 1 and 2 and OL in 3.

    The FA has mostly come on O: Marshall, Bush, Chico and there will be more to come there. But Lovie will weigh in wanting to go D in 1 and 2, and so now we see a diversion story on the home page of the team as some lame-ass misdirection.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    That further muddles what the Bears are going to do.

    Emery has no history as a GM; Bears have no overwhelming need; long term, short term question.

    That's why almost every mock has the Bears drafting a different player.

    Ideally, we can do both. If we get Coples or Kuechly, they both can make an immediate impact AND eventually replace Pepp and Lach, theoretically.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    That video made absolutely no sense whatsoever.

  • In reply to Shady:

    I think he was saying the key Bears D players are borderline old that Emery eventually has to address replacing Pepp, Lach, Tillman and Briggs. He can't draft their replacements and fill team needs. Not effectively anyway.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    Of course he can.

  • In reply to Shady:

    Yes I agree. It just depends which areas you're willing to place the most emphisis. Do you trade up for Brian's or Tillman's eventual replacement or stand pat and hope for the best.

  • Also, Jeff's and my scenario for trading Forte to the Browns could happen. It's being reported that the Queens may be willing to do a swap with the Jets for the 3rd pick.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    The Vikes GM is doing everything humanly possible to trade down. He saw what the Rams got and got penis envy.

    But IMO, he's playing the wrong cards. He should've said that he graded Claiborne, Kalil AND Richardson the same, so that the Browns do get desperate and trade with the Vikes.

    There's going to be a lot of wheeling and dealing tomorrow, methinks. Never saw so much uncertainty throughout the entire 1st round.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    The old "Go-be-a-dick-in-Cleveland" gambit.

    Works every time.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Ha ha. Exactly GP. To be honest, that's why I first proposed a trade with Cleveland a couple of months ago.

  • couple other items

    - KBell is signing his tender today
    - Mayock has us taking Chandler jones (I find it hilarious that he's getting a bum because of his bro. Fucking inane)
    - Here's the trib roundtable from last night in case you missed it:
    - Here is how 10 mocks have us drafing from fat biggs:

  • In reply to MB30SD:


  • In reply to MB30SD:

    WIth the Falcons getting Samuel, I think the door is now wide wide open for Trumaine Johnson in 2. The Falcons had locked on him, but I can't see them going there with Samuel. Could be wrong.

    We need a Peanut heir. Johnson could be that guy. 4.6 40 but a 36" vertical, at 6' 2". That can handle CJ.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    4.6.... ouch.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Yeah, his speed is why he's falling, but he's very Pro ready.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Yeah, I really like him too GP. In my Bear mock draft, I have him going to us in the 2nd.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    His name reminds me of Trumaine McBride and all of the painful memories that came flooding back. Damn you Angelo!!!!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Way to "bump" yourself 30 secs after posting... How about those new maps, eh? Eh? Heh heh

  • In reply to Shady:

    fucking jerk


    there are no new maps with the fucking radar on. Just chasing a red dot. fucking trophy system. smh.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Dude, I am in your head so much these days you should be charging me rent.

  • check this out.... this would have GUARANTEED angelo would have moved up HUGE to get this guy:

    SUCH an angelo special.

    btw, he is a VERY good RB. I watched a couple games and he's a stud.

  • In reply to MB30SD:


  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Yeah, but can he use that to get into the end zone? THAT would be special all right!

  • Is everyone okay with trading Forte?

    A couple months ago it was crazy.

  • R2..I don't see it...I do have a problem with his agent being an ass-goblin..and hopefully Double Deuce will wake up sit down with E-Train and get it DONE!!!!

    as for Osi...SHEITE!!!! would love it, and could see E-Train pulling it off. DAMN that would the proverbial nail in the coffin for FA's and the Bears.

    The Draft would be GRAVY TIME!!!!!

  • NO!

  • I don't think anyone WANTS to trade Forte, but I think people are starting to see the end game here. At the very least, the Bears should keep their options open, hope Forte and his agent come around on a new deal, but at the same time be prepared for the worst.

  • In reply to Shady:

    Nail on the head Shady. If somebody wanted to give us a first and a seconfd for him then how could you refuse, but a 4th and a 6th like the Pats allegedly offered? Nah. His price tag is too scary for people. We're clearly better with both him and Bush, as opposed to just Bush and Bell, Unga, whoever.

  • I'm honestly torn. I don't want to trade Forte. I, unlike some posters (*cough* Trac *cough*) believe that Forte is worth a deal similar to what Foster got. But by all accounts Forte is not willing to take the Foster deal, he wants the AP deal or the CJ2K deal that the league generally consider overpriced.

    Where I'm torn is deciding whether we let Forte play the year under the tag and then throw our hats in the mix next year and let the market dictate whether we're low-balling, or whether we trade him now, prior to the draft, when we can draft an RB and get the best compenation for him.

    But as with anything, it depends on the price. If the Patriots offered us both first rounders, would anyone on the draft say no? If the Browns offered both? Of course not. But a lot of us can say no to rumored Patriots offer of a 2nd and a 4th.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    Foster's redickulous contract help cost the Texans an offensive lineman, Demeco Ryans and Mario Williams. (Williams may have left anyway though) At the very least it didn't help.


    'nuff said?

  • McShmucks 7 rd mock for the Bears.

    1st. Coples De
    2nd. Zack Brown OLB
    3rd. Jamell Fleming CB
    4rth. Brandon Hardin S
    5th. Marvin McNutt WR
    6th. Jeff Adams OT
    7th. Vaugh Meatoga DT

  • meatoga? that can't be real.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    It's a meal, it's a garment, it's the Meatoga!
    Wear it to a party, eat it for dinner, it's the Meatoga!
    Did you ever think to yourself, why am I wearing these pants AND eating a hamburger? Why can't I do both? Well, the Meatoga is here and folks, I hope you're as excited about it as I am. It's a real game changer. Meatoga doesn't require any laundering because when you're done wearing EAT it. It's that simple.
    The Meatoga - slacks made with baby backs.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    awesome man... especially the last line.

    Infomercial gold!

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    hahaha how did I miss this?

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    That was inspired, Posse!
    Kudos, my man!

  • I have a hard time seeing McNutt around in the 5th, but great value if we take him there.

    I don't like Fleming, and as previously posted, advocate trading up 10 spots or so in the 3rd (probably for a 6th) if we can get Casey Heyward from Vandy.

  • Just wanted to be on the "sign Forte if possible" bandwagon.

    He's a totally different class of player than Bush. His ability on the screen and to slide out to the two and not be overmatched by a corner or a nickel is a tactical weapon of extreme power. He sets up on his blocks and has breakaway speed. His pass blocking is sufficient to poor, seems to depend on the week.

    I could post several Youtube videos of him turning the corner, a rare skill in today's NFL. He's a great weapon, he can draw, run inside, run outside, slide out and run the post across the field. Bush can run inside, and is a serviceable pass catcher but not anybody you would want to feature the screen draw with.

    Losing Forte would be bad. His agent is a jackwagon, so we wait. If he thinks he's a 4 for 40 player, he may sit over the 3M delta between that and the tag. Not wise... but possible.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Couldn't agree more. He was our entire offense last year. Now that we have an actual #1 WR he should be even more valuable, not less. He won't get as many touches but the avg per touch will increase.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    I think it's because we rushed for 2,000 yds with no #1WR, a make shift Oline, and 4 diff HBs, one of which retired.

    I agree. I don't really think Forte's "hold out" is that big of a deal, YET.

    I had a much bigger axe to grind with Briggs when he said "I'll never play with the Bears ever again" during his contract bitching.

    However, if Forte wants Foster money, we should trade him right now while his stock is high cause I don't see how we'd be able to afford that + new contract for Lach, Cutler, Melton, etc, and we could forget about signing any new future stud FA too.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Double Deuce is most likely going to sit out a good portion of OTAs and camp in search of a new deal. Just want to make sure everyone is prepared for this. I just hope it doesn't negatively affect his on-field performance when he finally decides to sign the tag.

  • In reply to Shady:

    I think the deadline for signing the franchise is July 15, so prepare yourself for 2 1/2 months of "As the Forte Turns" yap.

    I don't think it will affect his production much since he stays in shape on his own. I remember LT used to take some time off for the Chargers, and he still put up when it counted.

  • When it counted, was the playoffs, a time he never put up.

  • oh no you di int!

    oh yes you did!

  • In reply to Shady:

    I agree he's going to sit out a while. He was paid $2.6 mil for his first 4 years. He's made good money but it sure isn't fuck you money. Once it gets to the point of him not getting his guaranteed $7.7 million, he'll be there in shape and ready to rock. I'm sure he will be pissed but $7.7 mil ought to salve that wound.

    He's done EVERYTHING the Bears have asked and thought they would reciprocate. JA made a promise of some sort or other and didn't follow up. Just another reason why Glitchy is gone. That's a hard lesson to learn for a young guy. He'll get over it and hopefully get a deal worked out.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    I hope so Canada. Surely this is just posturing over dollars and like Briggs a few years ago, he'll settle down. Personally, I think he'll sign the contract offer eventually. He really has no other choice after this year.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Canada...your words speak volumes...Glitchy made a promise and as usual screwed the pouch.."f"ing glitchy...I think E-Train is going to get it done, but I see a methodical way he is doing things as GM...and they all spell ..needs, depth..holy sheite when was the last time that was thought of and get to the dance NOW!!!!

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    I honestly can't blame this one on Jerry. The Bears had cap space last year mainly because they wanted to sign Forte to a long term deal. If Angelo didn't want to pay AP money, the same money that we don't want to pay now, that's not exactly an inditement.

    I think Forte's agent is the one making promises. I never trust brokers; they're loyal to the deal more than they're loyal to their clients. This guy will risk Forte's professional reputation, and professional career, to try and make a name for himself as the "RB guy."

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    I would think if anyone is calling the shots it's the players union.

  • In reply to Shady:

    Nobody trusts those guys.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    No, but they have power.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    NBIT...I think glitchy had something to do with it...and the agent see's a newby GM and I think he wanted to try to get one over I guess in the long run it's both sides..#$!@#$#!$#!$#!@!!!!!

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    But seriously, Ted Phillips and Cliff Stein run the financials. We just love to give Angelo shit for it because he was the face.

  • In reply to Shady:

    it will definitely hinder his performance

  • In reply to gpldan:

    wait wait wait... did you just say 'he can run inside'?!?!?!?

    Yeah, where there's a surprise rainstorm.

    Bush is mooooore than a serviceable screen and SY/GL guy.

    That said, forte is def up there... and would love to sign him. But like $ says, if all he'll take is AP money, we should trade him now while he doesn't have his third knee injury.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Losing Forte would be far, far more bad than getting Marshall is good. Not even fucking close - seriously. Forte has proven a stud for the navy and orange - Marshall has caught as many passes for the Bears as I have.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    That would be similar to saying, before the Reggie White trade, that Reggie White had as many sacks as you have.

    Child Please!!! - ochocinco

  • No, it wouldn't. Reggie White signed for the Packers as a free agent and they gave up nothing.

    *If* the scenario was Forte or Marshall, everything I've seen as a Bears fan says Forte wins. Easily.

    The White scenario is more like keeping both, which I imagine we both likely mucho.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    Oh come on, anyone can run the football, what Marshall brings to the table is unprecedented in the Bears' entire history. How many guys can run the ball 4.5 yards in the nFL? How many guys can do what Brandon Marshall can do? Why does Larry Fitz get $20M a year. W's the closest RB to that that kind of money? THe fifht guy behind that guy? Losing Forte wouldn't cost us winning one game less. Marshall will extend drives and make us a different team. Even without Forte we have 4 guys that can carry the rock, without Marshall we have jack shit and it's back to square one.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    Marshall is one of the top 2 or 3 receivers in the NFL. Anyone wanting to quote stats can stick them up their ass right now. He just is, it's not even debatable. The fact that he hasn't caught a pass for the Bears is irrelevant. He has on the other hand caught 100+ every season he was with Cutty, so there's there's that.

  • And what does Marshall have to do with the Forte issue anyway? Not that their contributions to the Bears can be measured until MArshall has a season under his belt. I'll bet my left nut that Bush scores more than Forte's astounding total of three rushing TDs last year. Stud??? Pleeease! Stud?? If your name is Lesean McCoy maybe. THREE FUCKING TOUCHDOWNS???

    You don't score any points from having lots of scrimmage yards. YOu get them by running the damn ball over the goal-line, something Matty boy doesn't do a lot of.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Forte inside GP? No. Forte is no good good up the middle. He and Bush complement each other in their strengths. They're different backs, not different class. Bush gives us brute force and blocking, two things which Forte cannot give us. Better to have both, and likely that we will.

  • Irish, your Forte hate coupled with your Bush love is fucking perplexing to the point that I want to virtually kick you in the nutz.

  • If Jenoris Jenkins falls to us in the 2nd, we GOT to take him, weed and baby mamas and all. That dude is like GLUE on coverage. He's got great hands, anticipation, and can also take it to the house on SP teams. He's everything Hester should have been.

  • Talent alone he should be a top 10 player, but the red flags are hard to ignore. I think the CBs are going to go off the board quickly tomorrow and Jenkins won't be available when the Bears pick again in the 2nd round. I hope I'm wrong, but weed and baby mamas is childs play in the NFL these days. But what happens when you pour fuel on the fire? This kid could easily become Pacman 2.0.

  • In reply to Shady:


    Hee hee

  • In reply to Shady:

    We don't need to sign the red flaggers, it's just too much of a risk with the high picks. Look at the Lions man.

  • Jenkins won't get out of the 1st if he started rolling with VIP himself.

    He's an island corner.

    Tomorrow night needs to be here now.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    "Last season Janoris Jenkins faced A.J. Green, Julio Jones and Alshon Jeffries and the three receives averaged only 38 yards against him and 1 TD out of all three"

    That's the definition of a shut-down cb. Unlike with Pac-man, I trust the Bears locker room, esp with Peanut a lot more than the Cowgirls reality tv team.

    As long as the Lions or Pack don't draft him...

  • The locker room can't control his private life though. I've got no problem with a person smoking weed, unless they're on my football team. Their focus is not on football, that's what it spells.

  • Oh god... what?!?

    Sorry. I'll take the Hester we got He has been worth more than any corner back that ever played the game. Except maybe for that asshole that just got sued by his wife - but he returned kicks pretty well too.

    Seriously - we watch this game for the thrills - if winning and championships were all we cared about we'd have given up on the Bears long ago.

  • Really Jeff Really? Some pipe dream you got goin on today. Way to keep the day interesting though.

  • Ahhhhhhh! Are we there yet? Can't I just freeze myself like Cartman, so I can fast forward to the draft, then freeze myself again until Sept?

  • New South Park on tonight, comedy central.

  • In reply to Shady:

    in the new maps now kicking ass and taking names... where thre fuck are you

  • Consider playing fifa 12 sometime so I can respectfuly kick some butt.......

  • In reply to OsosFan:

    possible osos... possible.

  • haha nice name, I'm watching kyle korver close out indy, i'll be there in a minute dood.

  • Gawd, the Forte shit is driving me nuts.

    1) Without injury, Matt Forte leads the NFL last year in yards from scrimmage.
    2) Without injury, Matt Forte leads the NFL in percentage of his team's yards from scrimmage.
    3) Matt Forte ran behind an offensive line that graded, charitably, in the bottom 20% of the NFL.
    4) Matt Forte played on a team that had no #1 receiver threat - and in fact played on a team that had NO receiver threats to speak of other than Earl Bennett. Who sat out, what, 40% of the games Forte played in because of a spear by some Saints cocksucker?
    5) When Matt Forte went out last season, his yards per carry was 4.9, which Walter Payton exceeded exacly once in his career.
    6) In half of his four seasons, Matt Forte has exceeded Walter Payton's career high in receptions.

    There is plenty of speculation over what Forte's agent is after and what the Bears have offered, and so far as I know none of the speculators actually KNOW anything.

    But what is it about Forte's performance and value to the team is so unclear? I really don't understand. It's a damn shame I'm not going to be in Chicago tomorrow so you guys could explain it to me over the immoderate amount of beer it would take me to understand.

    And ya'll don't get your panties in a wad about the Payton comparisons. I get it that Forte is not Walter Payton. But the one comparison that *is* fair is that both were "the man" that other teams keyed on as the primary offensive threat.

    And now that there are some other threats... I sure want to see what Matt can do. Wearing the proper uniform, I mean.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    I get it Dave. Let me ask you a question. Do you think Forte is loyal to SC dave and Trac or to himself when it comes to a new contract? End of discussion Dave. Matt needs to sign the dam contract and play ball. He can posture all he wants but the Bears can and will hogtie him for at least this year. Does he deserve more than the 7.7 he'll be getting this year after he signs his Tag deal? It doesn't matter Dave cause that's the best he's gonna get. Hell, I deserve a wife that cooks me dinner evra night and worships the ground I walk on but instead .......ah nevermind, you get the picture. There have been several times I would have taken the 7.7 mil and ran. He he. Did you see that?

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    with you on the wife thing maings

  • Don't talk to me about the wife thing, eh?

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    yeah, you guys get all the blow jobs you want too???? sweet huh?


  • I remember blowjobs.

  • In a wife related joke I'll bring back an oldie but a goodie.

    What food makes a woman lose her sex drive?

    Wedding Cake.

  • Sometimes I wonder if the tie that binds us is the Bears or our wives? Hmmmm.......that's a tough one.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    military personel
    are patiently efficient
    with a tenacious refusal
    to be distracted
    by voices at the door
    emery is eating sleeping
    and crapping
    nothing but the draft
    he is continuing to construct
    a foundation in chicago
    upon that foundation
    he will construct a future
    of competency that will rival
    the best the bears have ever had
    this ain't no one trick pony
    some of our best performances
    will come from emery's tenure
    the depth he has brought us
    before even one draft pick
    is impressive
    forte wants to win
    in negotiations and in his chosen profession
    he is driven
    and will not go quietly
    it is refreshing that
    he has this kind of fight
    in everything he does
    it is what makes him
    exceptional on the field
    emery knows a bit about
    i would bet
    he loves the flint and spark
    of a proven talent
    standing up to him
    and prying every last cent
    he can from him in negotiation
    that's the kind of talent
    he wants to go to war with
    forte is outside the door knocking
    phil is smiling
    knowing that he will get the door
    but presently
    he will not be distracted from
    turning in one damn fine draft
    for his constructed dominance
    over the rest of the division
    he does know better than to
    mess with a vital part of the foundation

  • In reply to huntinbare:

    Believe me, I hope you're right as rain, Huntin'

  • In reply to huntinbare:

    HB can you send me some weed? I live in Pattaya, the sex and drug capital of Thailand, and I can't score any weed. It's been a year now. Or some of those microdots.

  • there's no need
    to be so specific
    i already Hurd
    you were out

    is in my blood
    my ship runs
    on B+

  • emery is cut
    from the same cloth as
    Phraya Tak
    he posesses a dignified manner
    his players adhere to strict discipline
    his troops will be so imposing
    that teams will surrender
    without a fight

    regarding your shopping list
    try locating one of the G.I. families
    that arrived on the shores of that idyllic
    fishing village back in the spring of '61

    at least until i partake
    of that special visa
    for those over 50
    maybe I can stretch
    this measly postal retirement
    and enjoy "the good life"

    who knows
    maybe i can even
    substitute a class of yours
    while you are
    "under the influence"

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    I'm with ya Dave.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    His value to the team was three fkn poxy rushing TDs last year. Receivers we have. The job is RUNNING back. Not only is Matt not Walter, he's playing about 25% of the same sport, if that. Bush will have 3-4 times as many TDs this year as Forte. Sign up for Bears Blog FF. I'll take Bush, you take Forte.

  • i'm thinkin' about signing up
    for FF this year
    how hard can it be to do
    i already got a name for my squad
    since you think i am a stoner
    i will call the troops
    " The Wakey Bakeys "
    i have already been in contact
    with the retired rickey williams
    he wants to coach
    sam hurd will be our
    de-facto trainer
    from joliet

  • You keep bringing up Forte's 3 td's. He was out of the game just about every time we were inside the 10 yard line for Barber. While I agree that Forte isn't the greatest short yardage back, he would have had several more scores if not for the Barbarian.

    Forte is #3 in the Bears illustrious history of running backs. Make an argument if you don't think thats the case.

  • Whoa. #3 at what? To be a great Bear you have to do something great, or be lauded by the opponents you played against. Payton, Sayers, Grange, Nagurski, Galimore, Anderson, TJ.

    Forte isn't anywhere close to the last two in TDs. He's got to remain a Bear to do so, so no, he's not on the list. They didn't take Payton, or Neal or TJ off the field ... if you're taken off the field it's because you can't do what they want you to do. Lesean McCoy is a midget, he scored 18 rushing TDs last season. What are we paying Forte for if we have to take him off the field inside the ten yard line? If that's the case we should be paying Bush 8M and Forte 4M. He's not worth half of what he wants in that case. He's dreaming.

  • Bell twitter.

    "Bell took to Twitter to deliver the news that he had signed his tender, writing: “Going on year number 4!!! God is so great. Now it’s time to get to work. Blessed beyond belief!!!”

    A little different than Forte's recent twitter.

  • yeah.... daaaave!

  • Not sure.... is that to me about the slacks?

    If it's about Bell - he has not done a damn thing and is going into his fourth year as a one-percenter - at only 25 years old.

    Blessed indeed.

  • what i have not seen
    scouring all this verbal foreplay
    regarding this years draft
    and our team's future
    what are the strengths
    of next years draft pool
    will 2013 be a better year
    for LB CB S selections
    and O-Line selections
    I am willing to bet
    Mr.E knows

  • Just for fun. I tried a mock draft where the Bears had to trade every single natural pick they have. Here's what I got:

    Round 1 – Trade with Pats. #19 for #31 and #48 in the 2nd. Draft Jerel Worthy at 31. Pats take Mercilus.

    Round 2 – At 48 from Pats, Bears take Zach Brown. Then trade with Eagles, #50 plus our 7th rounder in exchange for 6th rounder (#194) and 2013 1st rounder. Eagles take Janoris Jenkins.

    Round 3 – Trade with Redskins. #69 for #79 and our 5th. Bears trade up to get Casey Heyward; Redskins trade down to get some extra picks.

    Round 4 – Trade our 4th and 6th to get Osi Umenyiora.

    Round 5 – Traded to Redskins.

    Round 6 – Natural pick traded for Umenyiora. With pick gained from Eagles we take Desmond Wynn.

    Round 7 – Traded to Eagles to move into 6th.

    So final take is: Jerel Worthy (DT), Zach Brown (OLB), Casey Heyward (CB), Osi Umenyiora (DE), Desmond Wynn (G). Plus the Eagles 2013 1st rounder.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    haha OK when we start to get posts like this, you know the draft is nigh. Very nigh.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    NewBear, you are officially king of the draft nerds with that last post. Just edged out superman.

  • alright kids, get to bed and Santa Emery will come visit us during the night and tomorrow night around the dinner (drinking) table we will open our gift.

  • Okay, here is my 2012 Big Board. I decided to use Cory Fleener as the cutoff; If I like Fleener better than a player, they don't make the board. There are 54 players here, so enough to get through our second pick even if we drop a few spots. A star* indicates I would prefer to trade the pick because of the interest the player would generate.

    1. Andrew Luck (QB)*
    2. RGIII (QB)*
    3. Matt Khalil (OT)
    4. Trent Richardson (RB)*
    5. Morris Claiborne (CB)*
    6. Luke Kuechly (MLB)
    7. Justin Blackmon (WR)
    8. Riley Reiff (OT)
    9. Michael Floyd (WR)
    10. David DeCastro (G)
    11. Fletcher Cox (DT)
    12. Chandler Jones (DE)
    13. Quinton Coples (DE)
    14. Dre Kirkpatrick (CB)
    15. Mark Barron (SS)
    16. Ryan Tannehill (QB)*
    17. Kendall Wright (WR)
    18. Stephen Gilmore (CB)
    19. Dont’a Hightower (LB)
    20. Dontari Poe (DT)
    21. Michael Brockers (DT)
    22. Janoris Jenkins (CB)
    23. Jonathan Martin (OT)
    24. Cordy Glenn (G/OT)
    25. Courtney Upshaw (DE/OLB)
    26. Stephen Hill (WR)
    27. Cam Johnson (DE)
    28. Whitney Mercilus (DE)
    29. Devon Still (DT)
    30. Melvin Ingram (DE)*
    31. Peter Konz (C)
    32. Bruce Irvin (DE)*
    33. Vinny Curry (DE)
    34. Jerel Worthy (DT)
    35. Nick Perry (DE)
    36. Amini Silatolu (G)
    37. Kelechi Osemele (G)
    38. Rueben Randle (WR)
    39. Zach Brown (OLB)
    40. Josh Chapman (DT)
    41. Dwayne Allen (TE)
    42. Mike Adams (OT)
    43. Alameda Ta’amu (DT)
    44. Malik Jackson (DE)
    45. Lavonte David (OLB)
    46. Alshon Jeffery (WR)
    47. Jared Crick (DE)
    48. Brandon Thompson (DT)
    49. Kevin Zeitler (G)
    50. Demario Davis (OLB)
    51. Mohamed Sanu (WR)
    52. Ronnell Lewis (OLB)
    53. David Wilson (RB)
    54. Coby Fleener (TE)

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    Not bad, but I'd move up Fleener (of course), Mike Adams, Worthy and Mercilus. Pretty good though.

    I've said it many times before, but it bears repeating. I don't care who the Bears draft, or what position they play, but if they are an impact player who can make plays and contribute immediately it'll be a great pick.

  • hey shady...

    ...burnin down... the hot topic... buuurn it doooown... the hot topic!

  • No kitty, my pot pie!

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    Where's the love for Mercilus?

  • In reply to Big Mike:

    OBR rips Mercilus in his draft podcast after going through every snap of four games he had film of. No nose for the ball, can't track it .. .ah, I posted all this shit yesterday on the last thread. He'd essentially be the WORST guy we could draft, and he would make a bad LB too.

  • And again - you don't get 16.5 sacks against Big10 competition by having no nose for the ball; I don't give a fuck what OBR thinks he saw.
    You can find something else to rip him for. Getting home isn't it.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    We'll see. I don't know anyone on here who looked at every snap he was on the field. I don't know what 16.5 sacks in the Big 10 means. I know in the NFL it means nothing. We'll see.

  • Is Mercilus the guy that had one year of production? Bill Walsh didn't draft guys like that, I wonder if Emery will. If they like him then so be it, I'm with Phil. Let the pros at it. Angela's gone.

    If that's not Whitney then apologies, erm, Whitney. You know what his nickname's gonna be if he starts pooching it on run plays, and it ain't Ming.

  • "Give me the heart of Walter Payton, there's never been a greater heart".
    "The epitome of greatness".
    Jim Brown

    Game on Mr. Emery, game on.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    If they did move Forte, he wouldn't even be in any list of great Bear running backs. He'd have a rookie scrimmage yards record I think. That's it though. Take your 7.7 Mill, Matt. We'll win the superbowl - not because of you though - and then you can take your superbowl ring, put your tail between your legs, and fuck off to Cleveland.

    You are Timmy Smith, don't forget that.

  • Irish, a little harsh don't you think? I like to look at the comparison like this: Payton took what he wanted on the field, Forte takes what he can get. That to me is the difference between the two of them. Matt has been a very good back for us, I won't knock him for that.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    Yes, a little Trac. What I don't get is that Bush gets slammed just for being signed, when he does the things that Forte can't, and he does them well. We're better with both. I don't hate Matt, but he needs to fire his agent for being a dick.

  • It's Opera Night Boys!

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    great roster on that flic
    but they left off
    a main ingredient
    Deacon Jones
    the man who
    coined the term "sack"
    I saw a photo 3 days ago
    of Whitney Mercilus
    he looked just like the deacon
    today I woke up believing
    he would be a bear
    who knows
    he could become
    the haitian sensation

  • Great idea man! Great idea!

  • So unless I can bring this little rat fuck of a dog, I can't make it to the party tonight. Do you think Cortland's would be OK with me bringing a mascot to the draft party?

  • In reply to Shady:

    Do you think anyone is going to notice?
    Fuck no - bring rat dog!

    BTW, I gotta hear about this dog - did it get surgically attached to you or something? What did I miss?

  • I apologize for saying Camarcus Newrussel last year. Clearly, Newton was not the next Russell.

    But, I do think RG3 will be the next Ryan Leaf.

  • You know who isn't going to have a nice day today?


    By the end of the weekend, he will join Great Dane and others with the tag of URFA.

    "Man, why you trashin me?"

  • In reply to gpldan:

    It's not so much the fact he smoked, but the fact he apprently didn't give a fuck about the biggest job interview of his life.

  • What are the odds Kendall Wright is the next Victor Cruz? I know Cruz was an UDFA, but they have very similar styles in the way they play. If the Bears draft Wright at 19 there will be some angry fans on here, but if he does for Cutler what Cruz did for Manning we'll be looking back at the pick as brilliant.

  • In reply to Shady:

    Cutler would be happy, and if we just outscore everybody then we'll make it to the Superbowl. We won't win it, but we'll be NFC champs. If we drafted Wright, then got Branch, then got the best DE left, I could live with that.

    Rick Morrissey says we shouldn't be drafting defense, because he must watch the Bears a lot. I won't post the link.

  • If the NFL get's rid of the Pro Bowl, I propose an All Rookie Bowl. Now that would be fun.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    If they can figure out a way to work out an insurance deal with the NFLPA, I have to say I really like the idea of a free agent bowl. You'd see some real talent, some interesting rosters, and there are some interesting prizes to offer the winners (winning team gets to start FA a day early?).

    Only catch is, the QB play would be terrible.

  • On the road to Chicago.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Be safe Brownie.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I'm going to see if I can sneak out tonight. If I come you won't even know it's me until I sneak up on you like in Seatown and knife you in the back with a round of carbombs. you'll say one of these phrases, in this order:

    you're a lot shorter than I imagined...
    damn, you have great fucking hair...
    you probably shouldn't pound that and then drive all the way home...
    get shady's fucking dog off of my leg, he's been humping it all night...


    let's get as trac said we could have a little Pep-Si!!!!

    and then E-TRAIN!!!

    GET SOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    let's blow the dust off the last "Clusterfuck Draft Book" by Glitchy

    and it is now the era of the E-TRAIN!!!!

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