Our NFL Opening Round Draft Party: Preliminary Details

Our NFL Opening Round Draft Party: Preliminary Details

Thanks to reader (and new friend of Da Blog) Keith Ellett we have a tavern partner for DaBearsBlog's NFL Draft party on Thursday night, April 26th. Here are the details:

  • We'll be at Cortland's Garage in Bucktown. 1645 W. Cortland Street. (To visit the bar's website, CLICK HERE.)
  • Da Blog (me) will be giving away two (2) lower tier tickets to a Bears game at Soldier Field next season. I won't know which game until the schedule comes out in April but it will most likely be in the second half of the season. Side note: I'll be attending the game with you. Aren't you excited? 
  • For $5 you'll be entered into a drawing to win the tickets. (Not bad when you consider you're getting two seats worth $200-300 a pop.) To win the tickets, you have to be there when your name is called at the end of the first round. We'll start accepting entries at 6 pm CT. The draft begins at 7 pm CT.
  • The $5 gets you a single entry and you can only buy in once. But you'll have opportunities to increase your odds by answering draft-based trivia over the course of the night. There will be some other prizes as well.
  • Cortland's Garage will be offering a $25 open bar to those entered in the ticket giveaway. For just $25 you can drink all the canned/bottled beer, well liquor, house wine and soft drinks you want for the entire duration of the first round. (From the start of the Colts' clock til the Giants selection.) Last year that was nearly four hours!

It's gonna be a great, cheap, fun night. Hope to see as many of you there as possible.

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  • Great Fucking place Jeff. Can't wait.

  • I just finished rocking my midterms and I am starving.. One last class and spring break. I have a lot Bear friends.. Can they come?

  • ChicagoBearsDraftGuy ‏ @BearsDraftGuy
    Forte has already decided (per our source) to signa long-term deal with #bears. It is all details now.

  • I am so amped.

  • Forte is not available this weekend to sign any new deal, so this will go into next week before signing new contract. Tag will happen.

  • Then will be removed.

  • Another score for Emery. He got this done without a franchise tag fight. Would like to see the details though before I call it a total victory.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    $50 mil smoothes over a lot.

    So, according to my math, Forte will get roughly what Cutler gets a year (approx $8mil).

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    So long Matt. We'll be able to strengthen our roster now. We'll miss those three rushing TDs you gave us last year, but we'll survive.

    Mario. Plax + Ming + FA LT. The possiblities are beautiful and many!

  • Also, that's the most godawful burger and fries I'ver clocked eyes on. Did somebody crap them out and serve them up? Why is there a lemon skewered onto the burger?

  • I think that's an enormous pickle mate

  • I think that may be bad form insulting the food from the bar that's bending over backwards to host a party. I know it's been a while since you've seen Western food but ... a lemon?

  • It's a bad photo, that's all. The color is off, it's out of focus, and nobody rubbed vaseline all over the food like they do in the McDonald's ads. Talk about crapped out.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    pickle, confirmed.

    Here are some better, official shots Irish... looks much better: http://cortlandsgarage.com/main/MENU.html

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Some interesting stuff on the drink menu: eleven-dollar spiked milkshakes, Rogue Dead Guy Ale, Abita Purple Haze. Buckler non-alcoholic for you, Irish.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I failed to correctly identify a pickle/lemon. I'll get my coat.

    The pickle should be on the inside though. I guess it was an afterthought when the fries got back from the men's room.

  • In reply to MB30SD:


  • In reply to MB30SD:

    C'mon Irish, looks like a nice place.



    You know you'd kill for a burger without a raw fish on it.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    hahahahah raw fish... lulz.

    a raw fish or peppers that will turn your asshole inside out.

  • I'm not going to lie.. that's a damn lemon to me.. Glad I didn't say anything till you did mate.

  • Irish do you really believe the shit you post or are you just a cut up? There's no way in hell Forte is going anywhere.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    I know he's not going anywhere, doesn't mean I'm not entitled to my opinion on what we should do with him in various scenarios. They're just opinions, and when other people make the same opinions they don't get jumped on like I do.

    We don't have much else to talk about at the moment.

  • It's cause you're so huggable, maing.

    Hell, I argued with Artoo for 12 hours about something or another just the other day.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    12 hours? We argued the same shit for three or four days.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Eh, maybe it was a day.

    Although the Richardson-Forte discussion has now entered its second week, I think...

  • we looooove you irish.

    Sensitive little boy today.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    It's my hormones. Turn 40 in two weeks. I'd like to have a mid-life crisis but I can't afford one. Mwah.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    damn, you're old. At least I have 10 or so months left... well, actually if the mayans have their way I'll never get there anyway.

    Live it up this year boys.

  • I agree. Just opinions

  • Oh c'mon Irish, don't get your tighty whities in a knot. I'll be 60 in 3 months. Sucks but what are ya gonna do? We've given each other way more shit than this. Sorry I ruffled your feathers. Hang in there.

  • Wow... nice deal to be sure!

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    Open bar for $25? Yes please.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    That's Mexico prices...

    With a slightly lower chance of being beheaded, I'd hope.

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    If I wake up in an ice bath the next day with a kidney missing, I guess we'll know the answer to that.

    They have no idea how much Blue Moon I can put away in four hours, especially talking Bears football with DBB folks.

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    Best deal since H. H. Holmes opened a hotel at the Chicago World's Fair.


  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    Nice reminder to check Google Reviews before making your reservations, Crunch.

  • ChicagoBearsDraftGuy ‏ @BearsDraftGuy Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    New #bears cuts? Marion Barber and Matt Spaeth. Frees another $2M cap room.

  • Good moves on both fronts.

    Spaeth is no better than Kyle Adams and not nearly worth what he was getting paid. Barber... well, I let my feelngs be known on that.

  • Those are a bit more surprising to be honest. Cutting Barber was probably political and for cap space.

    Cutting Spaeth? Maybe cap space, but also may signals a shift toward the passing tight end - we'll see who gets onto the roster to know for sure.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    I don't see anything about cuts. We'd be mad to let Barber go. Spaeth is 6'7, whatever else about him, he has that going for him.

  • I'm 100% with you on barber... I just have never really gotten on the bell bandwagon. Love clutts, but he's a battering ram, not a RB.

    Barber ha a bit of both. I hope we keep him.

  • Can't let Barber go. Bears need a bruiser in there with Forte. Doesn't have to be Barber, but it shouldn't be some rookie hopeful or a guy who's only good for short yardage. Imo, Forte has never been used to his full potential as a receiver. He's fast as hell, not too small, and knows how to run and catch. Let someone else take the bulk of the running duties, and use Forte more as a receiving back.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    he's money outside the tackles buttsteak. I'm 150% for keeping him away from the middle of the line. Agree we need to find a franchise bruiser to run between the tackles and punish the dline. One-two punch. I'm in.

    ...oh, and a legit #1 and #2 WR.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    He's money outside the tackles indeed, and apparently after a lot of it too. So if he's turned down 10M a year then he's looking for about 12M a year right? That means he's tagged this year and we have to pay him 120% to tag him next year ... for him to then walk out the door scot free the following year.

    I'd love to know what he's worth.

    Time to piss more people off.

    Scenario #2437 :

    We trade Forte for two second rounders. Nobody can tell me he isn't worth that at least.

    We give the Dolphins our two third rounders for Marshall and pay him $6M as per his contract.

    That leaves us waaaay ahead in the cap space league with a 1st/2nd/2nd/ and the Dolphin's 2nd next year. We draft quality RB/DE/OL with those picks and then throw $3M at Plax.

    With Cutty throwing to Plax and Marshall with Bennett in the slot, a running game would be the least of our worries, and it's not like Bell/Barber/Hughes legs are all broken.

    If we trade Forte it buys us Plax and Marshall and gives us some pretty picks to the strong. We could perhaps even still get Mario Williams (or Umeniyora - whoever).

    So again, is Matt Forte the Holy Grail of running backs? We've pretty much all been on Webb's case, but he can move people backwards in the running game. We'd have such a killer passing game - in a passing league - that even an average running game would be more than adequate.

    Where were the super bowl champions ranked in NFL rushing? Stone last in Yards per carry. Stone last in rush yards.

    We should keep Matt and retard the growth of our team. Why?

  • I am with you her somewhat Irish. I would be MUCH more willing to entertain this idea if two things came to fruition:

    1. We added at LEAST a first or second round inside olineman AND picked up nicks AND an available LT (maybe gaither), AND some other later round linemen of value PLUS a scrap or two in the second/third FA cheap tier a la barber.

    Because without a PB RB and a huge pass driven team you damn well NEED a better fucking oline that we have today. That thing better be at LEAST a 200% improved pass protection line than we had last year.

    2. We better either hope emery is a fucking clairvoyant and we can pick a forte-like guy in the 2nd or 3rd again to replace, or get someone in FA to replace him. We need a feature back lad, and none of those guys you listed are that.

    So while I agree with a lot of your overall premise, we’d have to get a real line and a real RB to replace what we’ve lost. If that is part of the plan, I’d be ok with trying.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    my god, what is wrong with me. typos everywhere. just read between the fucking lines to know what I meant.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I guess if we didn't go the Mario route, we could pay for a tackle if Forte gets shifted - Levi Brown, Demetrius Bell ? Barber's our pass blocker, that's one thing Forte does not do well.

    Do we need a feature back ? RBs seem like plumbers or mailmen these days. I don't know anything about the backs available in the draft, but whoever we got, surely the other boys can carry the slack anyway?

    NYG. Stone last in rushing.

  • Still laughing about the fag tracker...

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:


    Haji Haji Haji for you sir!

  • Keeping him doesn't retard anything anymore than resigning any veteran does.
    Teams spend massive numbers of picks, research, and coaching to develop special players - and whether you think he is or not, the guy earned his Pro Bowl spot this year. Having a large number of picks doesn't mean jack unless you get lucky, like WE DID, and find a guy that is at the top of his position.
    Do me a favor and think about this in the context of any other team with a premier running back...Jacksonville, Minny, Oakland, etc...

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Houston -could- lose Arian Foster, because Ben Tate is an absolute beast...but why would they unless they have to?

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    They've all got great backs and squat to show for it ......

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Ugh. You don't dump a franchise running back for a fucking pipe dream. Peterson is not the reason the rest of that roster sucks.
    I should have picked other teams, because now you're fixating on the wrong thing. When those teams finally managed to find a running back in the draft, they didn't go trading them away for an extra pick in the third round. You hang on to special players if they are still performing at a high level and you can afford them.
    We can afford Forte - this fixation on upgrading what is already a Pro Bowl position is just nuts.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    How is he a great running back if he can't run up the middle?

    Trent Richardson isn't scared to run up the middle or slow around the tackles

  • SMH - the SEC ain't the NFL, son. Ask his buddy Ingram.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Trent got more yards on less carries than Ingram.

    Ingram and Trent are two different running backs. You are crazy to compare them.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I hope Trent Richardson has a great NFL career because the way you talk him up, he's the next coming of Jim Brown.

    I assume you are comparing their senior years instead of 2009 Ingram and 2011 Richardson, which is a little skewed because Ingram missed a couple of games that year. Take the two where they were both full-year starters and look at those.
    In the two comparable seasons, Ingram rushed for 1678 and 6.1 YPC while Richardson rushed for 1679 and 5.9 YPC.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    You are crazy for telling me Richardson is a phenomenal NFL back while Ingram is mediocre when they differed by ONE YARD in their full-time seasons as starters with nearly identical supporting casts on the same team against the same competition.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I cannot name but two players on the offensive side of the ball this year for Alabama that were decent.

    Trent and Barrett Jones.

    That year they won the championship against Texas? Julio, McElroy, Ingram, and even Richardson got in on that party.

    You think they are the same? Trent is 5'11 and 244. He also runs a 4.4 and he scored the only touchdown in the BCS game.

    Ingram is 5'10 and 215. He runs a 4.58 and when he went to the championship game,Ingram ran for 116 yards and two scores, but as true freshman Trent Richardson ran for 109 yards and two scores.

    Time will tell. I have my money on Trent.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Production is production.

    They don't give you free TDs because you weigh more.

  • What is that, a rumor? Speculation? What? Gotta go. Too busy to look it up.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    speculation as far as I can tell.

  • Cutting Barber is not "political". It takes a lot for Lovie to quit on one of his guys, esp if they're even remotely associated with Texas/Rams.

    Maybe choking in two games and costing us the playoffs had something to do with it.

    I know I'm in the minority here, but goodbye Barber, via con dios...

  • Spaeth however would be a bit of a surprise.

    We need a goal line package, esp if Barber's gonna be gone (but maybe we're already eying a banger to replace him).

    What this tells me is that Tice is purging all of Martz' picks, Roy and Enderle better be crossing their fingers.

  • He had over a hundred yards in that Denver game, he was our offense. Bad coaching and a good strip had him demonized in a game we were better off losing anyway. Sorry we didn't lose every single game after Cutler went down.

  • C'mon Irish, bad coaching? A 7-year vet has to be coached up not to run out of bounds when you're trying to drain the clock? Not to mention, we don't know if they told him that and he still ran out of bounds. Either way it was an enormous brain cramp by The Barbarian. I do agree with ya that I'd like to keep him around.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Did you ever see baseball players signal the number of outs? Those guys are professionals too. There's a giant scoreboard out there and plenty of time to look at it, baseball being a slow-moving game. Still, the players remind each other, because they know, and everybody knows, it's not that hard to forget in the heat of the moment. It shouldn't happen, but it does. A well-coached team takes precautions.

    Barber screwed up, but his QB was a deer in the headlights, and his head coach is asleep half the time. No one flashed the sign, and Lovie is too busy covering his lazy ass to admit it.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    The coaching staff would never hang Barber out to dry by stating that they DID tell him either. We'll never really know how that went down.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    The money these coaches are on it is simply piss poor professionalism not to tell the guy to stay in bounds at such a point in the game. Adrian Peterson -who many regard as the best back in the league - has to be constantly told to hold onto the ball. He has nothing else to do, but he still needs to be told.

    Fair point though - none of us knows if they told him to stay in bounds and he just ran out anyway.. Regardless, it was two shitty plays in a game in which he was most of our offense - inretrospect it's good we didn't win that game, wish we'd lost against Minny.

  • My dad was born and raised in Bucktown , just a few blocks from there. Lived on Cortland and also Winchester.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    I worked at 4500 W. Cortland for a couple of summers when I was in College at UIC.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Milton Industries. Your Source for Quality Air Accessories.

    I think I got a blow job there.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    BJs are good... just ask crown.

  • Great job on the party and tix, Jeff. Wish I could be there! Damn! Hopefully everyone signing up for the $25 open bar has a cab lined up. WOO-FUCKING-HOO!

    I have mixed feeling about Barber and Spaeth being cut. I liked the fact the Barbarian ran angry. He was a definite asset near the goal line. The flip side is he might just be one of the least aware players I've seen in a long time (esp considering he was a 7-year vet). Spaeth seemed like a good blocker and could catch. Not exactly elusive.

    Hope the rumors about the Forte contract being done is correct. I know I'm old fashioned and a romantic at heart but it's the right thing to do. Good for team morale. You just know Briggs and #54 will be lining up at the pay window.

    Gotta give Emery credit for getting rid of some of Jerry's kids.

    Hey MB, great to see back on the board brother. We missed ya. Trac was gone at the same time and I was wondering if you were the same person!

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Canada, that is bad ass that you got to see Buddy and BB that many times. I've seen neither. I've had chances to see Buddy quite a few times but it never worked out. Had a chance to see BB a few years ago right down the street, but I thought he lost it and was busy with work. A friend who did the lighting said I didn't miss much. I was too young to see a lot of the old Stax-Volt greats, so I live vicariously through bands like Tedeschi-Trucks and Warren Haynes/Gov't Mule who keep that music alive. Warren Haynes' last album was a tribute to soul and Stax and recorded under the label. Here's an old soul / blues song from Warren that a friend recorded a few years ago. I probably sent it before, but it's bad ass and worth a second listening.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    When I was 16 Canned Heat (still the original lineup with Alan Wilson) was the first big name band I saw. About 2 months later I saw BB. I thought Canned Heat was great but BB made them look like a local warm up band. He was great in his prime (he was around 40 at the time). He could wail on guitar and his singing was even better. He would just be completely drenched in sweat about half way through his shows. If you've never seen him it would still be cool to see him before he's gone. Now the show is more about entertaining (talking and interacting with the crowd) than wailing away.

    Buddy still wails in concert. Plus with him not drinking during the show he maintains that energy throughout the whole show. It used to be he'd come out on fire and once he was hammered he'd start to fuck around. The crowd seemd to dig it but for me the energy was lost.

    The clip is awesome. I know you posted it before but I love the song. The woman singing with him is giving everything she has. I love outdoor festivals but you lose the intimacy of a performance. Esp the dynamics. Seeing that same performance up close in a club or smaller venue would transport you to another place.

    I'll have to look for that Haynes Stax tribute album. It's long out of print but Toots and the Maytals did a Stax tribute album that is one of my faves. Love Toots.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    I forgot to mention, if you get a chance to see Bobby Rush you'd get a kick out of his show. All soul music and slightly dirty. Puts a smile on your face. Johnny Rawls does a really fun show too (also slightly dirty). Otis Clay is my all-time favorite soul singer. Don't miss him if you have a chance to see him. Al Green is fabulous in concert but if he's contracted for 60 minutes you could set your watch to it.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Canada, the first blues album I ever bought was Hooker n' Heat. John Lee Hooker is still my favorite of the old greats and that double disc is still one of my favorites.
    Seen Warren do the song I posted in front row last fall in a great venue in Madison. Frinking incredible. I've seen him MANY times with Allmans and Mule, but my favorite shows are his solo acoustic up close and personal. He does spine tingling guitar solos in the rock songs, but nothing compares with the emotion of his solo shows. Seen Warren with Toots in Jamaica last year. Seen them do an incredible version of I've Got Dreams to Remember by Otis Redding. Since Warren and Mule record all their live performances, the best videos on you tube are taken down right after they pop up.
    His latest solo album is called Man in Motion on the Stax label. He lost the Grammy for the best blues album to the Tedeschi Trucks band, and rightly so. That album is awesome. Like all great blues artists, the album never compares to live performances. Here's a great little improvisation with Warren and Derek. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UauECrCIYl8

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    I saw Hooker in '86 with Roy Rogers playing in his band. Ron Thompson joined them on stage and they burned the place down for about 2 hours. They finished with about 25 minutes of boogie, went offstage, came back and did another 20 minutes of boogie. I've never seen a crowd so drained by the end.

    I've seen Govt Mule once and Susan Tedschi with her own band back in the '90's. I've never seen Derek Trucks but I'd love to see he and his wife together.

    One of the problems of living up here is most bands from the US don't come through very often and when they do it's expensive. Tix usually sell fast. That was a real perk living in Iowa. You'd catch bands passing through on off nights for not a lot of money. Almost all of the Chicago bands would play in town at least once or twice a year.

    Since summer up here is basically July and August the festivals are all crammed together and you end up missing most of them. Esp since I work a 24/7 job with lots of OT in July and August (everyone schedules vacation). Oh well.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Damn man, you've seen some awesome stuff. I wish I would have got into the blues at an earlier age, when I was going to concerts on almost a weekly basis growing up between Chicago and Milwaukee, and living close to Alpine Valley. Seen some great blues shows in college in Madison, but then I became a workaholic for about the next 10 years and didn't go to many shows aside from Allmans and Mule. Back then I was more into metal and grunge, but I could give a shit to see most of those bands again. I would kill to see the Hook (figuratively speaking) doing some boogie. Just reading your post when I got home last night made me start jamming out some Hook and Heat with that awesome harmonica from Wilson. Just started getting into James Cotton(?) recently. That guy can play. Another guy I like is Hook Herrera. Not sure what band he's in but seen him jam with a few people in videos online. Gonna go listen to some Hooker right now.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    Saw James Cotton last year. He opened for Johnny Winter. He's old and literally can't sing. Daryl Nullisch was singing in the band. James could still play the harp. James always had a kick ass band. Saw him back in the '70's. He did a lot of hard living and it caught up to him. Here's James playing in Muddy's band at Newport in '60. It's the best live version of "Got My Mojo Workin'". Check out Muddy dancing during the encore. Otis Spann is on piano and Francis Clay is wailing on drums.


  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Just read your post. Good tune. We must have been thinking alike last night. I watched a few Hooker songs with Muddy's band from that festival at Newport in 1960 last night. BTW, I like this conversation a lot better than more of the Forte silliness below.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    My favorite albums by James Cotton are both on Capitol from the '70's. "Taking Care of Business" and "Super Harp Live". The live one is a double album. Being on a major label you might still be able to find them. Some of my fave Blues Harp guys are Little Walter (great double album on Chess), Paul Butterfield and Charlie Musselwhite. Charlie is still out there on the road and is a great guy. Mark Hummel and Rod Piazza and the Mighty Flyers are both really good and always on the road. Rick Estrin and the Nightcats are awesome. They tour a lot. Sugar Blue out of Chicago is unreal but it's pretty jazzy and kind of out there. Hope that helps a little. If you get a chance to see any of these guys (other than Little Walter and Butterfield) I'm sure you'd like them. Live Blues sure beats the shit out of records!

    Totally agree about our mini-thread. I got so tired of the Matt nonsense that I got snarky with Irish and apologized. Time to leave that thread alone!

  • Eagles want a higher than a Third round for Desean Jackson....


  • and "people in hell want ice water."

  • Urlacher talking about restructuring his contract can mean two things..

    We are getting someone good.
    He is taking a pay cut so we can make Briggs happy.

  • No way is #54 taking a pay cut. I'm sure he and Briggs will be looking for a short extension with some extra dough.

  • Was bored last night and decided to do my own pre FA mock draft (Yeah, I need a life). I streamlined it since we're all most likely tired of all this empty conjecture.

    So, without further a do, here's...

    Butch's Mock Draft 1.0

    1. QB Andrew Luck . Colts. No brainer.

    2. QB RGIII. Redskins (through trade with Rams).

    Redskins outbid others. Having Rex as a QB will do that to a team.

    3. LT Matt Kalil. Vikings.

    Besides franchise QB, franchise LT is most coveted position. Kalil is the most highly graded LT since perhaps Joe Thomas.

    4. WR Justin Blackmon. Browns.

    No longer in the RGIII race, they settle for weaponizing McCoy and pray for the best. They may also trade down a bit with a team who thinks they’re a playmaker away.

    5. CB Morris Claiborne. Bucs.

    They really would prefer a dlinemen, but none grade this high.

    6. T Jonathan Martin. Rams (through trade with Redskins).

    Rams had the worst oline in the league, and it wasn’t even close.

    7. WR Michael Floyd. Jags

    Wouldn’t be the first time the Jags reach for a need. Floyd makes Gabbert bad instead of horrible.

    8. DT Michael Brockers. Panthers

    Cam can’t score 40 every week, can he?

    9. T Riley Reiff. Dolphins.

    Dontari Poe or a pass rusher are going to tempt, but ultimately they side with QB protection.

    10. HB Trent Richardson. Bills.

    Surprise surprise. Bills recognize how the run game keeps Brady off the field. Would you trust a HB over 30 who just broke his fibula? Trent spells Fred Jackson, then takes his jobs.

    11. G. David DeCastro. Chiefs.

    Chiefs want to run, then run it some more. DeCastro is a 10 year starter day one.

    12. OLB Courtney Upshaw. Seahawks.

    They need a pass rusher. Upshaw has been compared to Harrison. There you go.

    13. DT Dontari Poe. Cards

    They lose Calais Campbell. No Prob. They plug in Poe and don’t miss a beat.

    14. CB Jenoris Jenkins. Cowboys.

    When DON’T the ‘Boys like Cbs? A little weed or coke never dissuades Jerry.

    15. DE Quinton Coples. Eagles.

    Yeah, they need a LB, but you know what they need more? Dline.

    16. WR Kendall Wright. Jets.

    Another shocker, but they must find out if Mark is Sanchize or Sanchez, esp if Holmes keeps calling him out. A sound franchise would draft the BPA, but this is the Jets.

  • Butch's Mock Draft 1.0 part Deux

    17. DT Devon Still. Bengals.

    Would love to have drafted Richardson here, but they go with the best graded available and continue to build.

    18. G Cordy Glenn. Chargers.

    Some grade him higher than DeCastro since he’s more athletic and played T which provides insurance for their oft inj tackles. Diehlmen who?

    19. DE Whitney Mercilus. Bears.

    He’s a high motor, athletic, versatile, sack turnover monster. Lovie tries not to foam at the mouth during press conference.

    20. CB. Dre Kirkpatrick. Titans.

    Exit Finnegan, enter Dre.

    21. DE Melvin Ingram. Bengals.

    What they would really like is a WR, but they stay the course. They couple Ingram with Still and instantly create a young core.

    22. WR. Stephen Hill. Browns.

    The rush on WRs continues, and unlike the AJ Green Bengals, Browns desperately need a playmaker and gamble on 6’4 215 4.36 40 stud.

    23. CB Steven Gilmore. Lions

    LB is going to be very tempting, but they skipped on CB last year and have learned their lesson. I also expect them to resign Tulloch, but if they don’t, this pick will change.

    24. LB Dont’a Hightower. Steelers.

    They seem to collect these. Hightower just looks like a Steeler. No Police Academy references please.

    25. OT Mike Adams. Broncos.

    Another team that wants an O weapon but will settle for a house to part the seas for Tebow.

    26. OLB Nick Perry. Texans.

    M. Williams has left, so they plug in another prospect who blazed a 40.

    27. ILB Luke Kuechly. Pats.

    And the rich get richer. Kuechly falls right into the Pats who make him their new Bruschi.

    28. S Mark Barron. Packers.

    Wow, they get the best S to help out that pathetic secondary.

    29. G Kelechi Osemele. Ravens.

    Exit Grubbs, enter Kelechi.

    30. CB. Alfonzo Dennard. 49ers.

    The unexpected run on WRs leaves them with little choice. Carlos Rodgers isn’t getting any younger, if he’s still even around.

    31. Fletcher Cox. DT. Pats

    Another steal. Pats had a historically inept D, right? Right. Cox is perfect for their new 4-3 two gap system.

    32. C Peter Konz. Giants.

    No one expects Konz to fall this far. Obviously they haven’t been paying attention to drafts.

    Feel free to disagree as you like, but the only endeavor more useless than mock drafts are arguing over them lol

  • Floyd at 7, eh?

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Yeah, it's a little high, but the Jags are desperate for a WR, and Floyd really improved his stock at the combine.

    Remember, the Jags are the same team who reached for Tyson Aualu when JPP, Earl Thomas and Devin McCourty (to name but a few) where still on the board.

    Unless they sign Vjax or Colston in FA, I think they'll reach for Gabbert's sake.

  • Good draft - but why would the Jets take a slow six footer when they could have the speedy and tall Stephen Hill?

  • I know Wright ran a subpar 40, but almost evey analyst admits that he plays much faster on the field.

    He still graded the 2nd/3rd best WR.

    The teens might be too high for Hill. 28 catches all year? He may even fall to the 2nd, but one team always falls in love with an Al Davis prospect like Hill.

    Maybe the Jets do as they're Oak East.

  • I won't be at the party, but damn does that food look grubbin. Enjoy fellas.

  • Mmmmmm... err.. french fried patatas.


  • http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/02/exclusive-franchise-tag-for-brees-could-cost-saints-less-than-16-million/

  • doc, left a message end of last thread for you maings. thanks.

    $, why in god's name wouldn't we take dre K at 19 if available?!?!? I mean I know why (looking at you lovie you fucking dumb ass), but I hope emery has the balls to make a real-need-pick happen. Fucken a, how many motherfucking d linemen can we take? I'll be pissed if we take another unknown dlinemen... in the first!!!! Jesus, that's what FA is for man!

    We get dre and our 'who's our other cb' issues are history. He's a high character kid supposedly (cept for that little week thing). Then we get rodgers and roid landry for cheap and our dbackfield starts to look legit.

    Also this is a cool fag tracker: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/football/nfl/02/21/franchise.tag.tracker/index.html?sct=hp_t2_a6

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Mb...................WASSUP BRAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    Lo....bo. Sup dawg.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    weed thing... and BAAAHAHAHAH... uhhhh, I meant, TAG tracker. Nice typo huh? Classic.

    Yay, I have reply back!

    Thanks Canada. Nope just a coinkidink I think (that rhymed)

    No buttsteak, THIS would obviously be my Firewall wife: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQFXWugIgP4

    (oh my god those garters are amazing. yowfuckingza!)

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    C'mon, Jiggles can't act, and she's not from SA, and she's 19. Who's going to play your part, Rob Lowe?

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    act? ACT? who fucking cares... you obviously never saw the original firewall. Charlize is very pretty but she has the body of a 10 year old indian boy. No boobies maings. I needs boobies.

    ...and no, either dave chappelle or the Sean Connery from Dr. No.... or Billy bob thorton from slingblade (thanks GP).

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Be careful dissing Charlize. I saw an interview with her. Her old man was an abusive drunk and her mother blew his shit away when Charlize was a teenager. Better not let mom hear ya bad mouthing her little girl!

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    they are a rough fucking bunch where she's from Canada. Town called benoni outside Johannesburg (where I was born)... in the middle of fucking nowhere. Bunch of tough-assed Boer farmers maing.

    Not dissing her at all, just not really my style. Obviously she's a very beautiful girl, just very thin and long.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I know you weren't. Just trying to have some fun. I was pretty surprised when I found that out about her parents. Tough indeed. I'm guessing she's about a foot taller than me when she's wearing heels. Boo-Yah!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Heh. Charlize is too long, Vergara is too thick. Upton is juuuust right.

    Yeah, somehow I missed Firewall. I guess because I'd rather watch old men eat strained carrots in the ICU than see Harrison Ford in an action film made since the turn of the century.

    Wikipedia says Alan Arkin is in it. I basically agree with everything he says here:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AloNERbBXcc (NSFW)

    And like Arkin, I wouldn't have been able to resist Marissa Tomei in Down and Out in Beverly Hills either. In other words, I'm full of shit. But I do like Charlize Theron.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    I loved the part where he said he was getting so much action at the old folks home that he had 3rd degree burns on his Johnson. I loved that movie, esp the ending.

    Speaking of Marissa Tomei, did you ever see the movie "Before the Devil Knows You're Dead"? Besides her it has Phillip Seymour Hoffman and Ethan Hawke. Really good movie and Marissa is really nekkid in it. Win, win.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    Yeah, I saw it. Yesterday I suffered through 'Only You' on the TVGuide channel just to see Tomei in that white dress at the end.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Ah, Billy Bob. He did a great turn on Inside The Actors Studio, and even recreates his character from Slingblade (which he wrote).


    By the bye - forgot to post this. Billy Joel's turn on IATS is a great watch, even if you don't like his music. He's a great guy and his insight to music is very interesting. His stories are great too.


  • In reply to MB30SD:

    MB, when was the last time we drafted a cb in the 1st under Lovie?

    I don't think it'll ever happen. The Bears work under the philosophy that a good pass rush improves the entire secondary, and as such, they're going to go dline methinks (unless we sign a FA DE like Mathis, but I doubt it).

    Maybe things change with Emery, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

  • Post-Lovie?
    Yeah, maybe.
    But not with Lovie in the driver seat....ain't happening.

  • god damn it you two... why you gotta piss all over my fantasy? Can you just let me have it until the draft happens and we take a fucking DE @ 19?

    I know the damn set up, but I still have dreams of fairy dust drafts and GMs who do the right thing right now. bastards.

  • Yeah, if draft Ming there's no reason why we don't go after Mario too (trading Forte to pay for it obviously). Pep, Mario and Ming. Doesn't matter who's at CB then. It's gravy all the way to the super bowl.

  • Rooh..Roow:


  • Hmmph.. gotta say I just can't go out of my way to go to a pub in Chi town that doesn't even have some type of dog with spicy jardinera anywhere on the menu. The drink special sounds pretty good though. Could we bring Portillo's or Notolli's in with us?? :)

  • hoooooooly moses.

    are you knuckleheads reading about this Greg Williams bounty business??? Sounds considerably more shameful than spygate, if you ask me.

    And I thought Brees and Brass being 5 mill apart was bad news.....what a day for the Saints.

    I guess it could be worse though; dey couldda woke up dis mornin' in da burnt orange 'n' navy. AMIRITE?

  • In reply to thebigcheese:


    common maings, step up your game if you insist on showing up. Either be more of a douchey packer fan, or go back to being a non-douche who actually brings value... we all expect more (or less) from you.

    Wait, is this not the big cheesy? different dude?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    btw, goodell is going to hang em high to set an example. It's not going to be a pretty little slap on the wrist for the saints.

  • In reply to thebigcheese:

    Eat Shit, 15 and 1 and done

  • In reply to thebigcheese:

    This has been bouncing around for a while but it seems apropo to dust it off and repost:


  • The amount of money offered makes it especially stupid... I mean with the money those guys make, that's like getting in trouble for offering a college kid 20 bucks for doing it. I mean if your gonna offer a bounty it should at least be worth it, like 20k for hurting somebody. Those guys piss through 1500 bucks in a decent evening dinner.

  • In reply to Urlacher FTW:

    Hampton's take on it was funny. They used to say "Hey Otis, you knock out Dickerson and lunch is on me."

  • http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/02/women-iq-breasts_n_1316313.html

    we already have this program in socal. Works quite well.

    btw, 100% of men polled said that swap would make them 'happier' too.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    oh, and don't you just love that little space between the shirt strap and a big fake rack? Nice pic huff post

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I'll admit, I'm a breast man but not the artificial kind. I don't get it - why go so large that it's obvious that they're fake? It just looks ridiculous, at least to me. They just end up making the woman look like some sleazy exotic dancer or porn actress...

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    it all depends on the doctor my man.

    Yes, hard, 'stuck' fakies are lame... but if there already some there when you start (say a high B or low C... and you get a god doctor and go to a D or DD... oh, it can be magic my man.

    They have the tear drop shapped baggies and with a good medical professional and a little imagination... they can create a work of art. For the record I do love realies, but they HAVE to not droop. Saggie boobies suck.

  • Redskins officially placed franchise tag on TE Fred Davis.

  • LaRon Landry a free agent. He's one of the best in the league.

  • LeRoid Landry... Get him Emery!

  • Pat Kirwan ‏ @PatKirwanCBS Reply Retweeted Favorite · Open
    There could be lawsuits to follow by players injured in games against the Saints during the 2009-11 seasons.Lawers have been texting me

  • Damn why must I live so far away? $30 would get me hammered and a chance to get tix to a game. Agh!

    Well for those of us on the left coast I'll be hosting this event on Saturday. Come on out and we'll put together a team of Bears fans


  • You guys should rent an RV like the NBA guys on ESPN and have crazy antics roadtripping to Chicago.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    We used to do bus trips and/or drive to Bears and Cubs games. It was about a 3-hour drive. We'd start drinking between 7:00-7:30 and be drilled by the time we hit Chicago. A lot of times on the bus trips a couple of really drunk fuckers wouldn't even get off the bus. There were always a few people calling Ralph on the bus. Lots of laughs. One of the old guys told me that back in the day when they were taking school busses with no toilet, guys would hang on to there cans to whiz in them. Then they would pitch them out the window.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    That would be awesome, every once in awhile...unless your windshield took one of those cans at 55 mph.

    Ah, drunken debauchery and buses.
    Good times.

  • I haven't asked Jeff yet..but would whoever is going be okay with it being on webcam?

    I mean, how many of you guys on here want to see us there?

    Just a thought. Idk if MB could handle it though.

  • Would you remote folks really want to watch a bunch of us yelling over the TV and throwing back beers and fries?

    I mean, if it was a talent competition or something...

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I think that mght be more entertaining than the draft itself....

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    Tobi sees where I am going with this.. All I am saying is all of us drunk..yelling, and a chance to see what we look like.. There will be trivia Mike!

  • I think Tobi wants a talent competition.

    The trivia will kick my ass.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Someone would have to do a director's cut of the draft coverage to add close captioning and special effects. Without thought,it will be unintelligible.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Wow, the Triple Bag beer hit; I meant "without that", not "thought"...

    And MB30, you have no excuse, because I'm pretty sure Southwest runs a direct from San Diego to Midway.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    fuck man, after that flight back I wont want to see another airplane for weeks.

    The web cam would be interesting but everyone would have to wear huge name tags and 'check in' with their name at the begining with a little story or joke... like the old MXC: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iijXcPdVedA

    (so. Much. Win)

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    If I was around and not doing anything, I would so watch that webcast. Esp late in the draft. There would be monstrous amounts of shit flying the next day. Good Times!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Talent is OK, just no bathing suit competition...

  • In reply to tobijohn:


  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Yes, I was too lazy to tinyurl that.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Oh yes.

  • Excellent idea.

  • Anonymous NFL Insider sends Score a message, they repeat it:

    Talk is:

    1M fine for Saints
    Loss of two 1st rounders, this year and next
    Lifetime ban for Williams.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    What about the players involved? From the little I read, they're the ones who funded it...

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    They are probably looking at civil law suits by any one who suffered a physical injury that can be tied back to the bounty system.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    And we got 15 yards for Jim McMahon after the Charles Martin incident.

  • Pretty astonishing, isn't it...

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    That's also not entirely accurate - Williams paid into it on occasion.
    Also, this is the real kicker to me: Sean Payton knew about it and did nothing.
    So, they will get drilled.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Well, I guess in strictly dollar terms, the $1Mil fine will be more than offset by what they won't have to pay the first round draft picks they no longer will have. I think that sort of might fall under the category of Pyrrhic victory...

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    I get your point - but it's an opportunity loss for them. Definitely stings in the long term, and if Goodell and his folks think it would benefit the Saints in any way, shape, or form you can bet they'll close the loop.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Absolutely a big opportunity loss, hence the Pyrrhic victory reference. And if the talk of suspensions for coaches is true, there's another dimension. From Pompei at the Trib:

    "Punishments could affect the Redskins, the Rams (if Williams is suspended) and the Raiders (if new head coach Dennis Allen, a former Saints assistant, is suspended) as well as the Saints."

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    Doh. You're right.

    Yeah, any staff that were involved...not a good idea. Players should also be wondering how deep their savings accounts run. I'd love it if some of our resident JDs would weigh in.

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    Kirwan also brought up a great point about whether Williams' contribution would constitute a salary cap violation. It was essentially a slush fund for hurting other players, so this could get messy.

  • In reply to gpldan:


  • In reply to gpldan:

    Saints don't have a first round pick this year.

  • http://www.chicagobears.com/news/NewsStory.asp?story_id=8669

  • I am totally late with this. Bears franchised forte

  • Frenchizing Forte will cut the Bears cap space "by $7.7 million if/when Forte signs his contract offer". -- Biggs


  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    If they frenchize him, -insert France joke here-.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    $7 mil buys a lot of berets and crepe pans...

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    That was "cheesy", Tobi.

    But don't "wine" about it.

    Oh, that was terrible - I'm gonna slap myself for that.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:


    Haji haji haji!

    Shady, where you at maings?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Shady is always lurking...

    "if they frenchise him, he'll surrender immediately"

  • In reply to Shady:


    I know you miss my haji maings... wait... that sounded really wrong. Fuck it, you know what I mean.

    I'll always have the 6 South African car bomb match.

  • I didn't see the NO game last year. Everything I read on the blog led me to believe Harper's hit on Bennett was dirty. Also, it was extremely odd that it didn't draw a penalty or a fine. I remember reading that Cutler got kicked in the throat. I understand a lot of shit happens in the pile so didn't get too worked up over that one. My question is, "Did Carimi's injury happen due to a cheapshot?"

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    His response to the media was "just got rolled up on"...unfortunately, I'm having a helluva time finding video of the injury. If anyone can find it, Crunch will.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Do I find it way more than coincidental, now that you mention it, that his season ending injury was:
    a) to the same knee that was an issue in college,
    b) against a team that targeted players for cash?

    Yeah, I guess when you pose it that way, it really stinks.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I can never find good extended game clips, except maybe right after the game, before the NFL forces the footage off the intertoobes.

    Here's a low-quality clip of the Carimi injury from NFL.com. The injury occurs, or finally brings Carimi down, at about 1 minute into the video. The knee just seems to blow.


    Carimi left the game with less than a minute remaining in the half. The Bears were behind by 6. Cutler had not been sacked.

    After Carimi went down, Cutler was sacked 6 times in 7 possessions, for minus 58 yards and a fumble that resulted in a Saint TD.

    Forte led all receivers in catches (10) and yardage (117). Without the quick dumps to Forte, Cutler might have been killed.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    Thanks Crunch..I thought that was the game we had a shiete load of injuries.....nice data brah!!

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Shit, was that the Saints game ? They totally kicked him in the throat. Fuck. I hope they get reamed. If Payton knew about that then they should throw him out of the league, no room for that in sport. McMahon's career was ruined because of the Martin hit. That fool was dumb enough to put the numbers on his towel. He was so fkn stupid he couldn't remember which players to hit, or stupid enough to advertise the fact.

  • or both? fucking thug. typical packer fuck.

  • Remember also that the Saints game was close until the second half...which is not coincidentally when the line fell apart after Cutty got kicked in the throat and they couldn't hear the snap count.

    That entire game turned on those two injuries: Bennett's lung and Cutty's throat.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    We actually were playing them very, very well in the first half...imagine the season if Bennett had been healthy through that really tough patch in the first 6 games.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    I just remember us getting our asses kicked. The highs of beating Atlanta ... to that.

  • I'd like to thank you, while I'm at it, for fixating me on that goddamn lemo...I mean pickle on the burger at the top of the blog.

    I literally cannot stop thinking "lemon" every time I reload the page now.

  • you look great honey, that's right, over here... smile for the camera... beautiful...

    ...oh yeah, and nice vagina... no really, nice vagina. Jesus H.


  • In reply to MB30SD:

    MB...bad link....and I hate wardrobe malfunctions......NOT! lol

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    lobo, this is the motherload of all wardrob malfunction maing. rarely does of of thems flash vag.

    She does have a nice little box: http://theblemish.com/photos/adrienne-bailon-wardrobe-malfunction/warning-contains-nudity-adrienne-bailon-has-a-wardrobe-malfunction-at-the-escape-to-total-awards-event-in-nyc/

    if that doesn't work, try this: http://theblemish.com/images/2012/03/spl366417_002-600x900.jpg

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    my god... wardrobE malfunctionS.... ONE of thems

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Well it makes sense MB...The Escape Awards...

    her taco wanted to escape the constriction of clothing...

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    was it that windy there? hahahahahahahaha

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    very nice lobo.

    There wasn't much to escape from in the first place yo. She must be either mortified, or really excited about her up coming reality TV fame explosion because of showing her nice shaved pussy to the world. Hair pie... sank you!

    Jesus christo we're a fucking ass garbage culture.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    yes.yes we are......tee hee hee

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    And another fine example of obviously fake breasts....

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    Breasts ... she has breasts ? Oh right, there they are, I see them now.

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    fine indeed. sheesh.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Wow. Nice circumcision.

  • ha. indeed.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    And such a nice Jewish girl - where was her mother?

    "Oh honey please ... cover your vagina."
    "Sweetheart I'm begging you ... cover your clitoris at least."

  • hee hee hee

  • hahahaha... she's jewish?

  • and let the tagging begin:


  • listening to the score right now...damn saying it may have the IRS and Fed's getting in on this asap...Saint's rooh..roow...Multiple Lawsuits!!!


  • In reply to lobotobear:

    Saints Game:
    I believe this all happened at game 2

    Bennett knocked out of the game
    Cutty couldn't talk at postgame
    Carimi knees
    was there more?

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    Holy shit ! We lost Bennett for ages and Carimi for the season.


  • In reply to lobotobear:

    Of course, there was also Frank the Tank getting into it with a Saints defender because of liberties they were taking with Cutler.
    I think he got a personal foul for it?

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    MBP..damn forgot about that too.

  • Going down the Rabbit Hole:


    and now talking about taking the franchise tag away from the Saints since they have no First Rounder.

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    That is a big, big problem given their free agents this year. They have no leverage with Brees already, and that's the tip of the free agent iceberg for them.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Hah, Colston is ours baby. Colston and Plax. 9M/10M. Draft Ming, forget about Mario.

  • Colston would be SWWEEEETTTT!!!! I still would love V-Jak though....

  • I'm not opposed to that, although I'm not the biggest fan of either receiver...I can't imagine it wouldn't be a huge improvement over last years roster.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    THAT is insane talk rabbit.

    Haji for that.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I can't wait to go Predator, Air Strike, then Reaper on yo' ass.

  • Harper got $1,500.00 for hitting Earl the Pearl and knocking him out of the game...

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    $1,500 for taking our best receiver out for essentially the rest of the year.

    Fuck man, I bet we would have all been willing to pony up $2k among us to give to harper to NOT make that hit.

    Cheap for a guys season and potential career.

    Scary stuff.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    yep...the legality on this beast could really get ugly..they are going back to Kurt Warner & Farve etc...all seemed to be in the list!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I hope they lose Brees because of that.

  • Irish...I think they maybe more concerned with loosing a GM, HC and much more.....SHEITE!!!!!

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    Karma's a bitch.

  • What he said!

  • Gooodddfucked's sphincter is got to be puckering right now with all the legalities of this Hit Hunt with Saint's...

    Matt Bowen going back to Washington with Williams and said it was happening for sometime!!!!

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    Bowen will be on the score 670 in less than an hour...got to love that here I am in the southwest streaming radio from Chi-Town!!!

  • In reply to lobotobear:


  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    yeah saw that MBP...damn it's going to get ugly...real quick

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    According to Bowen, performance bounties have been part of the NFL culture for years although maybe not the specific headhunting part of it....

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    He also said WIlliams was the best coach he ever had...

  • http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/03/bounty-dishonesty-could-bring-down-more-than-loomis/

  • E-Train GO GET HIS ARSE:


    p.s. Colston& V-Jak would be a beautiful combo for Cutty!!!

  • from and earlier post from Crunch:


  • Here's an interesting comment re Forte from a dude on Our Boy Roy's page :

    In short, he suggests giving Forte and a 3rd to Miami (different conference, nice), swap first round draft picks, draft Richardson with theirs (8th). We trade in our back for a beastlier bruiser who can pass block and has less miles on the clock ... save cash and get Marshall to boot.

    overlooked coming out of a smaller school. He has conducted himself with integrity and poise and this should not be taken as a commentary to the contrary.
    However, if the bears want to win and win now they must at least consider the opportunity that presents itself with having an asset like him, while also recognizing that he constitutes a serious threat to the potential financial health of the organization. RBs are notorious for garnering huge contracts and, due to the uniquely substantial beating these guys take, getting injured and so leaving their respective teams in a huge bind.

    For arguments sake, that is hypothetically, what do you all think of the possibility of trading the rights to Matt Forte and our first (#19) and third round draft picks to Miami for Brandon Marshall and their first round draft pick at #8, with which we could target RB Trent Richardson (a back with considerably less mileage and whos talent is being praised by every NFL analyst). Such a deal represents a huge cash dump, gives the bears a franchise back and the quintessential weapon for jay cutler that he's already familiar with, while also providing the dolphins with a franchise RB and an extra pick in a WR-deep draft so as to ensure they are able to replace Marshall at some point. Moreover the bears currently hold 2x3rd-round draft picks, and so it's not as if we're completely mortgaging the draft. I personally might even consider adding a 3rd-rounder in the 2013 draft to get this deal done

  • And why in the world would I do that if I'm the Dolphins?

    If Richardson is a franchise running back, they can take him with the 8th pick. In essence, they are supposed to give up Brandon Marshall and let us move up 11 spots for an extra 3rd rounder or two?

    That scenario is frankly pretty fucking retarded.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Any time someone comes up with a trade scenario like that, I wonder if they realize the other team is trying to win games too.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Believe me, if another GM was dumb enough to do that?

    God bless him, make the trade and roll the dice on Richardson, because that's what it comes down to.

    But why on Earth would they???

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Cause it's silly season till the draft starts Brownie.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    Precisement, mon ami. Prescisement.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    Lol that is a great point Mike... All we are saying is would you do it if the scenario presented itself..

    Kinda like.. If we trade Hester to the Dolphins and they give us their first and Marshall.. better yet..their second and Marhsall.. Do you do it?

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    Speaking of silly season, will you be joining us at the shindig, Trac?

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Can't get to Chicago without doing some major re-arranging. Besides, I might slip back into my old ways and never leave. lol.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    Well, if you change your mind, you know where we're going to be - and bring some of that biltong stuff if you do!

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    biltong, looooook at you!

    Clever girl.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    Dude, that stuff looks awesome. Like I told Trac though, I'm not real keen in making it myself. I had food poisoning once and not eager to repeat the experience.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    You should bring some with you to the draft party, Sally.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    it is the BEST 'beef jerky' you will ever eat.

    i've made it before, very easy actually. All you need is one of those ronco food dehydrators (a little fan at the bottom of a plastic dome).

    I'm sure you're already seen recipes online. Soooo good. The problem is that you won't be able to get the real stuff in the states because the real stuff is made with dead african 'deer' meat. Springbok, gemsbok (my fav), eland, kudu, etc… you can do it with venison in the states (I’ve tried), but it’s still not the same. Maybe it’s something about our meat running from lions and leopards that makes it special.

    You should try though, it’s worth it. Or, just go to www.1800biltong.com and order some. Thiers is not bad. You’ll get the basic idea at least. Order it in strips so you can bite it off. The cut pieces are lame. Oh, and while you’re there, if you like sausage, get you some Boerewors.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    Just put in an order for 1/2 lb - free shipping got me.
    I'm a sucker for free shipping.

    BTW, apropos of nothing, I'm going to have start paying sales tax on my Amazon purchases now. It was fun while it lasted.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    excellent work. Well done.

    Let me know how you like it.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Philbin is after his 'very high character' guys. Forte's that, Marshall isn't. Plus, Forte's already adapted to the NFL and can catch passes. He's an NFL package already, no risk in that sense.

    Maybe Philbin gets rid of a 'problem' (re one more strike for Marshall), picks up a 3rd, gets a top back and can still draft Floyd/Hill or whoever.

  • But this is all predicated on Richardson being a NFL-ready back.

    Hell, I keep the pick, trade down two or three spots, still pick up Richardson, get myself an extra second rounder, and don't lose Marshall in the process.

    Just not seeing what's in it for them...high character, low character, you don't bring in a new QB only to trade away your only existing offensive weapon. The point is to build up, not swap out parts.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Plus, they have Reggie Bush and he didn't do too bad there.

    It is all predicated on Richardson. I will say that it has been a long time since a 1st round running back won a Superbowl...and Reggie don't count.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Nope, I guess they wouldn't do it. Ah well. In the heel of the hunt, it wouldn't make much sense to trade picks for Marshall if we could just sign a Colston and maybe a Plax. He'd be nice though, if for no other reason than they've already got chemistry together.

  • I want Marshall but the Fins are only going to do it in a context where they think they come out ahead. If it's him for a couple of second rounders, they may convince themselves it's worth it as they could use their 8th on a guy like Floyd and repackage the additional picks into another first rounder...something along those lines.

  • I used to think Our Boy Roy had his shit together. No more.

  • And I don't know why you keep saying Forte can't pass block - don't take this the wrong way, but what the hell are you talking about?

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    It doesn't seem to come naturally to him. It does to Barber, I only saw one on Richardson's reel but it was a doozy. Paytonesque.

  • Another one of Trent's positives is he isn't afraid to pass block.. I will say the NFL pass blocking is different than SEC pass blocking.

  • But basically he's not good at pass-blocking. I thought that was obvious from watching games and seeing him whiff time after time. No biggie. Some can some can't.

  • Not that I'd trade a back for not being a great blocker ... maybe Tice can work with it/around it.

  • One play on a fucking highlight reel and you're willing to dump Forte for him?

  • I love not having a QB controversy in Chicago. I just watched a Cutler highlight film and got pumped all over again.

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    Screw that, we should trade him now before he breaks down physically.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Hell yeah.. what if we trade and got the Colt's First, Second, and Third for this year and a First next year.

    We could draft Luck, Richardson.... Oh ... that would be crazy talk.

    Who would you rather keep at all cost.. Cutler or Forte.
    Not a good argument but I feel more comfortable calling Jay great than Forte great.

  • If you look at production relative to the rest of the field in their respective positions, you have far more reason to call Forte great than Cutler.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    You could say that. That would very unfair though.. I mean, Cutler has the made the most out of nothing compared to Forte.

    Forte relies on his blockers and his own abilities.

    Cutler relies on his blockers, Wr's and running backs. There is more that could go wrong for Jay than Forte.

  • And it would suck to pick Forte in a league that wins games because of their QB.

  • Who do you think is catching the ball for Cutler most of the time? Forte has caught more than 50 balls each year of his career.
    So Cutler gets credit for throwing it, but Forte gets none for catching it (alot)?

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Is Forte a WR? I mean, I don't think Cutler's first choice is Forte unless it's a screen..

    He gets credit for catching but how many teams have a great run game but no WR or QB's? QB's win championships..

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    We already have a great QB and a great running back - what is the point of losing one of them? Why would you do that on purpose? Because you want an extra ticket in the lottery? You can pay to fill the holes at WR.
    I don't understand this philosophy that keeps prompting these silly scenarios. That's what's driving me nuts more than the intricacies of these imaginary trade situations.

  • I thought the Bears O-line sucked for the last three years.

    You're comparing two different positions to make an argument why one's great and one's not. I'm saying compare them to other guys playing the same role. That seems a little more than a little fair versus what you just did to make the great/not great argument.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I said it was a bad argument from the begin with..

    In my opinion, based on the oline and it being two different positions.. I would keep Cutler over Forte and I consider Cutler close to greatness than Forte. I still can't spit those words out without wondering.. Forte..Great?

  • My favourite subject, greatness.

    Nope. No way known. Very good outside the tackles. Good hands. Useless inside. No OL leaps. Poor pass blocker. Good to very good back, but hardly great.

    Not bad value for a 2nd rounder though and if you can get two of those back for him then it's silly not to consider the fact. Increased value for a depreciating asset. He might be worth 12M a year to some teams, but if we could use that elsewhere to better the team overall then it deserves thinking about. You know Emery is thinking about it.

    Is Forte in possession of some arcane powers that allow him and him alone to rush for over a hundred yards or catch a ball thrown his way? Most RBs do it week in week out.

    Very few QBs have Cutler's tools. When we get those polished receivers in front of him - and not guys like Hester or Knox, guys trying to be receivers - and give him three to six seconds to throw .... nobody would be missing Forte.

    It's no coincidence that Walter only missed one game in 13 years. It wasn't luck, he carried the ball 30 times a game. He conditioned himself to do so. He ran a certain way - with that high-stepping motion - to allow for impacts. He did anything he could to get that extra yard and if it meant jumping over the OL and landing on his head then so be it. If he couldn't run around someone he ran through them. If there was no hole on one side of the field, he'd run back over the side. All of our backs should be compared to Walter because they're carrying the mantle of Bear running back. Grange, Nagurski, Gallimore, Sayers, Payton, Anderson.

    It's easy to ascertain if a back is great or not. You just compare them to Sweetness. Matt's decent at certain things, but he doesn't get in the conversation without having a career first. Bo Jackson didn't need one, Matt does

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    All things being equal, we can win without Forte. We can't win without Cutler.

    Forte's figures were skewed % wise due to complete lack of weapons on offense. He scraped into the top third of the league in YPC, but if you look at TDs, then his production was pathetic actually. Ranked 40th with Tom Brady. Lost action near the goal-line? He outweighs LeSean McCoy by a good 10lbs, and he ran it in 17 times. Ahmad Bradshaw and Fred Jackson both had 30 carries less than Forte and ran in 9 TDs and 6 TDs respectively.

    Running backs can be found, yards can be squeezed out here and there. QBs are rare. Jimmy Mac was the last one that got me buzzing, if we dumped Cutler then who knows when we'd get another. Damn - Cam Newton had 14 rushing TDs.

  • Here's the company that Forte has in terms of running backs from Chicago with Pro Bowl selections.


    So the logic is, we've had three in four decades, they are easy to find?

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    He makes one Pro Bowl and you compare him to Payton and Sayers?

  • Well said. We don't need a pro bowl running back. Not to labor the point, but the Giants were ranked last in the two most important rushing categories. Average and total yards. Who's to say the next guy we install as 'starter' doesn't make the pro bowl? Very few backs don't need blockers. Sweetness and Barry come to mind. Campbell just ran through people, ditto Jim Brown.

  • Talk about missing the point.

  • Again, you can't harp on how shitty the O line has been for years and then tell us how Forte gets no credit for the yards he runs for.

    Secondly, who gives a flying fuck whether he rushes for 100 between the tackles or outside the tackles? Do you get extra points if you run in the A gap?

  • Yes.. it does matter if you can't run up the fucking middle.

    Do you not remember in 09 when we had no rush up the middle? Our 3rd and short was bad? Our goal line was bad?

    In 2010 it was still bad that we had Chester Taylor in on goal line..CHESTER TAYLOR.

    We get Barber and our running game goes through the roof with the same oline basically and you think it's because Forte is great?

    By the way, I got your point. We haven't had anyone this good since Anderson and I think we should keep him. I just do not think he is great or should be compared to those guys..yet.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I don't get how a pro bowl running back is related to success. What good did it do us this year? We finished what, 8-8?
    Lombardis. End of. Are the Giants crying over the fact that they came last in the rushing stakes this year?

    Lombardis. If moving Forte gets us one then do it.

  • Are we supposed to be better without one?

  • Before Matty got knocked out, we were 7-4.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    He missed that point like Canseco missed that ball.


  • So, he carried us offensively last year because he's not that good? Or we should discount his numbers because we were so dependent on him for offense...That is a bizarre argument, Irish.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Don't put words in my mouth - I have never stated that Matt Forte is not a good running back. Ever. He's good-very good. I like the guy, and if he stays with us I expect good things from him, and we'll have an excvellent backfield.

    But what numbers are you talking about? Total yards from scrimmage? Impressive. Rushing TDs? Three.

    We're only discussing scenarios here because he has a value. If he was no good we wouldn't be throwing ideas around because he wouldn't be worth anything. He's a chip in a poker game, that's all. Cutler is more than that, and so is Urlacher. Forte can be replaced, Cutty and Urlacher cannot.

    Emery and Co. are working through scenarios too. Guaranteed they are. Life with Forte, life without - albeit with a lot more information/knowledge.

  • Sorry, I was just extrapolating from your constant use of words like "pathetic", "scraped by", "useless" and "poor" in your description of his various skills.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    +several million, Posse. I just *dont get it* on the dump forte stuff...

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    Maximizing his value ... rather than 'dump'. To be honest I don't know what he's worth anyway, and if we only got offered a 2nd then I wouldn't trade him.

  • My opinion remains that the best way to maximize Matt Forte's value to the Bears is to *keep him*.

    Earlier (deep in the thread to reply to directly), you wrote:

    "Is Forte in possession of some arcane powers that allow him and him alone to rush for over a hundred yards or catch a ball thrown his way? Most RBs do it week in week out."

    The top guys with 100 yard games, and career games played, are:
    Emmitt Smith, 78 / 226
    Walter Payton, 77 / 190
    Barry Sanders, 76 / 153
    Eric Dickerson, 64 / 146
    Jerome Bettis, 61 / 192
    Edgarrin James, 57 / 148
    Curtis Martin, 57 / 168

    Barry Sanders is *almost* every other game, which is insane actually. While one might call that "week in and week out", Barry Sanders was not "most backs".

    In 2010, there were 124 rushing performances of at least 100 yards. That comes out to (124/256) = 0.4843 per game, or 0.242 per team per game. So, on the average, each team had a 100 yard game from someone roughly once every four games.

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    I do agree Waffle, get him a WR that gets open and wow..

  • http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/18975/free-agent-hype-chronicles-the-other-side

  • Good article. Two interesting things for me.

    Mario Williams had a hernia in 2010? I just went off Mario and his 15M price tag. Draft Ming.

    This would relate to Forte's reception numbers :

    "Not all yards are created equal. While Foster can be a useful receiver out of the backfield, receiving yards for running backs depend heavily on context. Is a team splitting out a back and actually having him run patterns against overmatched linebackers, or is he just a dump-off option when nobody's open downfield? "

    Not having any receivers open downfield certainly contributed to Forte's receiving totals. I don't think Martz had him pencilled in as the go-to guy.

    Again, I'm not ripping the guy, just suggesting that others could do what he does for us if the powers that be decide to use his trade value and salary somewhere else. Stay or go, we win.

  • Actually, I think Martz' offense is heavily predicated on the running back being able to catch out of the backfield...remember Faulk?

    Try doing that with some of our other recent running backs, like for instance, Benson - he had some of the worst hands I have ever seen. You don't put up 50 catches for 500 yards as a running back just because your wide receivers suck. It is actually a reflection of how good he is out of the backfield.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    All running backs have been doing this..all coordinators do this.

    Rice, McFadden, Foster, McCoy, have posted the same numbers. Even Fred Jackson has literally similar numbers to Forte..Is Fred Jackson a great football player. If Fred Jackson can do it..

  • All running backs put up 500 yards receiving?
    And yes, Fred Jackson is a damn good running back, who was having a fantastic year, averaging 5.5 YPC!!!
    The Bills were lucky to have him until he broke his leg. Notice that team went in the shitter after he got injured? That's not a coincidence.
    And you're telling me that Forte is not great because you mentioned four other fantastic running backs?

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    There were three backs in the NFL that had 500+ yards receiving - Sproles, Rice, and Foster.

  • I think Fred had the highest avg per carry in the NFL, Spiller wasn't far behind, so they must have a good line.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    We should have ditched him and kept TJ, but that's another story.

  • 57 second mark on this:
    and the 2:44 mark

    Those rarely come in the same package and with the kind of durability he's shown over his first four years.
    What I'm saying is, value what you do have over...as TLC would say, don't go chasing waterfalls.

    Yes, I just did.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    And remember the catch at the 4:48 mark vs. the Lions? You don't find guys that can do that growing on trees.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    oh no you diun't!

  • Did I just hear that the Saints just used the tag on Brees?

    Think they got an itchy trigger finger to make it tougher for Goodell to take it away. Of course, Brees could also refuse to sign it and really make the Saints sweat by sitting out.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Your are fucking correct Mike! I was thinking the same damn thing.. best do it now before it gets taken away.

  • Yep, I'm wondering if the NFL can invalidate the contract if Brees signs.

  • Dave this is for you. We don't need different good players, we need more good players.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Thanks Canada! And lol... it's so funny because I was reading Irish and Artoo and warped here to the bottom for my next post! lol...

  • Shit...just a giant, if I could use 100 pt I would,


    for all you people trying to convince us that trading away Matt FUCKING Forte for some unproven asshole that we *might* draft from some team that *might* give you the picks you imagine....

    Matt Forte, properly used, is Marshall Faulk II. And there is nobody in the damn draft we're getting with that potential. No. One.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    Okay,,, I feel better now. We all get our therapy where we can, eh?

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    Forte *might* become Faulk, Forte *might* be considered a great player down the line, and your mad at us because we *might* see a running back that *might* be better than Forte?

    How dare you accuse us??!

    It's all an opinion..and you might want to realize that when Jerry Angelo drafted him, no one thought he would be close to what he is now.

    So..my crystal ball is wrong but you think Forte will become the next Faulk and Payton?

    I'll stick my crystal ball.

  • Matt Forte is half the offense. End. of. story.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    I know. When Jay went down we thought we might squeak into the playoffs. If we had to redo this whole season and you had a choice between Cutler or Matt getting knocked out for the season..Who would you choose? You know as well as I do. We can get by without Matt. We can't win games without Cutler.

    We can't rely on Matt Forte rely to win us games in the NFL. He is a chess piece, a good chess piece, but I haven't seen a RB and QB tandem win a championship. It's always a WR and QB. End.of.story

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    Isn't that a bad thing though? This is the season when we'll be able to hit teams from every angle, not just with Matt. We should be reducing his role not working him into the ground. Spread the ball aorund to the TEs, receivers, Clutts, Barber, Forte and a little scrambling - like it should be. We keep using him like we do and we'll have to find a new RB anyway.

  • Marshall Faulk is 1 of only 3 backs to gain 10k yds rushing and 5k yds receiving in the NFL. If Forte continues on his present pace uninjured, he will become the 4th in about 6 years.

    Multiply Richardson's numbers any way you please, Math Major, they will never amount to a single centimeter gained in the pro's.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    I hope he becomes that good Crunch.. I just don't see it. Good player and close but not a great one yet.

    Chris Johnson hit 2000 yards but do you consider him great?

  • Math Major - let's extrapolate Matt's season if he didn't get an MCL sprain.
    He missed five games of the season, mostly due to the fact that there was no reason to rush him back with Cutty out and Caleb Hanie in the midst of an epic meltdown that we will never forget.
    He had 997 yards rushing and 490 yards receiving in those 11 games, and yes I'm counting the Chiefs as a miss since he barely took any snaps before the injury.
    Care to figure out what kind of numbers he was on track for by the end of last year?
    Over 1300 yards rushing and 625 yards receiving.
    That blows away Neal Anderson's best season.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Stats. Interesting things that can be bent a lot of ways. Look at Andersons highlights - he was awesome. He turned the corner and he was gone. He was an awesome receiver too. Now if Ditka had leaned on him as much as they had to lean on Matt then I'm sure he would have put up fancy numbers.


    John Madden mentions at the start that when you talk about catching passes or blocking, there was no one better in the league - a league that contained Emmit, Barry, Thurman Thomas etc. And you don't see him get brought down from behind.

    I'd consider Anderson great, not Matt, he's just very good.

  • No player can be truly great after a couple of years in the NFL. I'm not the one using the term as if it means something without a definition.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    Bo Jackson took your breath away, if there's an exception then it was him. I never really felt the AP thing, yeah CJ was fast for a year, we'll see.

  • BTW, in spite of the fact that I think he's a gigantic douche - you cannot take away from a guy that runs for 2000 yards in a season. That is absolutely phenomenal.
    That year? Chris Johnson was great. Period.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    For one year? Yes he was.

    Still ? I don't know..Hard to justify his contract and his build.

    Matty was on his way to having a great year but I am tired of one great year means a great big paycheck.

    He only had one bad season and he played hurt that whole season. I truly think he is on the right track but I would love to give him a two year deal and see if he keeps producing..I am sure he will.

  • I would be shocked if it's a lengthy contract, unless it serves salary cap needs. He can always be cut.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Funny thing is a lot of teams will not use all of their cap space yet because they won't till next year.

    I can understand saving money but damn..

  • I will solve this once and for all.

    I want to keep Forte because he is a part of this offense. No doubt. He makes plays, plays hard, and is a good running back so far. I don't know if he will become one of the greats and neither do you.

    The whole point of trading Forte is the hope of getting a WR and more oline depth or just depth anywhere would be good. No, I have no proof that we will draft anyone good but you can't say we will draft shitheads either.. All specumotherfuckinglation. That's all.

    To sum this whole fucking shebang up, if we could have traded Gale Sayers the year before he blew his knee out.. Could you have imagined what we could have got for him? I know back then they had horrible drafting and horrible flim but man..

    The same goes for Forte, we resign him to a major contract and he blows both his knees out in some strange way, You all will point how it was obvious to sign him to a big deal after those numbers. Irish and I will say we told you so and now half of our cap is going towards a player that can't play his position any more.

    Same thing goes for us. Forte turns out to be the next Faulk 2.0, ends up in the hall of fame after 10 years of 1000 yards rushing and 500 yards receiving. We will shake our heads and wonder why we even hesitated to want to trade him.

    None of us know and that's what makes this whole game fun and interesting. Stop trying to murder us just because we don't consider him great or are thinking of trading him.. Anyone is tradeable if the price is right. You all know that.

  • (sidebar not really about the Forte thing per se)

    While you're certainly right on those last two sentences, there are some guys that you just should not trade. Urlacher for example - much more than a player - the avatar of the franchise, one might say. A guy whose jersey you're going to see a while post retirement.

    Professional sports has lost an intangible in the face of free agency. While I would not advocate the "slavery" of the reserve clause, there is something missing with all the turnover.

    Despite never being a fan of the lesser Chicago baseball team, I can still name the first six guys in a batting order from long ago - Kessinger, Beckert, Williams, Santo, Banks, Hundley.

  • I'll buy that. And the corolalry is if we sign Matt and he puts up crazy numbers for another five or six years ... then great. It was all just fun speculation during a time when there's nothing else to talk about. At least there's more hope now than there was under Angelo.

    I would have like Jerry's job in recent years. Fix that, fix this. Emery's task is somewhat more complicated right now, but I can't wait to see what happens.

  • I'd also add that all of this trade Forte talk was really only if we got Richardson some how, you're not going to do it for Reggie Bush.

  • http://www.basketballticket.com/game-preview-chicago-bulls-vs-philadelphia-76ers/

    FQ's first post.

  • BTW Artoo, you're a good sport.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    You too, Irish.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    It's all good man - no matter what we do I think we we'll win.

    The only thing that can beat us this year is injury. The Packers have no D. I don't believe in Eli Manning or Alex Smith. I don't know what to make of the Eagles but Lovie seems to have their number ... and the Saints are in for a karma shitstorm

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    You pretty much have to be, when you're the kind of person who trades Hawaiian vacations for what's behind door number two.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    Hey, I'm a go big or go home, kind of guy but I am always closing.

    What's my name? Fuck you..that's my name.

  • NSFW


  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:


  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ri0N_ifn2iM&feature=related

  • You will not understand a damn thing she says or anyone says really..but you will all understand.

  • Spacey does a pretty good Pacino. Oooh, I'm gonna take your job. You c*nt.

  • Excellent. One of my favourite shows.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    I live in vacation land, I'll have a crack at door number two please :o)

  • It's a brand new snowwwwwwmobiiiiile!

  • How good is Carl Nicks? Allowed just 12 pressures all last season in 700 passing plays, is a powerful run blocker, ..

  • Would I like him? Yes. Is guard a priority in free agency for us? Nope.
    I think he's going to get paaaaaaaiiiiiid.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I agree. I was just posting stats.

    We actually have enough guards.

  • It is funny to me that it turned into our deepest position.

    Go figure. Last year I was begging for us to get Nicks. Now, I don't think we particularly need him, especially for what he'll get on the open market.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    oh fucking no you diun't!

    We don't need more ofuckinglinemen. Jesus rabbit. I can't believe this is coming from you. BJ is done man... I don't know when, and I don't know why... but I know how. That knee is toast already. Done. That's one guy gone.

    Garza is fucking 56, and edwin williams is a fedex driver. We need at LEAST 3 more solid guys to sure up that line. I don't care what our record was when cutty went down, the plain and simple truth is that we have a patchwork line of sub average guys in most spots. Yes with tice and another year of beatings, we'll get better next year, but the injury bug is ALWAYS juuuuust around the next corner.

    We need more olinement NOW.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    We need more -TACKLES-, not guards. We have plenty of guys that can play on the interior. Two Williamses, Spencer, Garza, Louis, Ricky Henry (rookie last year out of Nebraska - keep an eye out for him) and a couple of PS guys, are all options at Guard.

    If we spend on a FA o-linemen, I want it somebody that can back up Carimi and Webb, or supplant one of them.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I know we'll fix the receiver thing, but I'm concerned if they go into next season with Webb at LT, he should be our emergency backup.at best.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    FedEx driver. LOL.

  • If Washington gets in trouble and loses their first round pick...

    talk about a huge plus for us..

  • OK, I give. Why would Washington get in trouble and how does it help us if they do?

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    Unless you're referring to this NO bounty fallout in which case, I think it would be unfair to penalize the Redskins now for something one of their employees did while in the employ of a previous team (that doesn't exclude punishing just that individual though)...

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    I mean, you could say that.

    If I'm a lawyer, I say " While he was there he did something against the law that the Redskins allowed." , Goodell is going to "Fuck" some team up. He can't really hurt the Saints till next season and he is looking to make an example.

    Your just going to let the Skins get off free? Then why investigate ?
    NFL will now investigate Redskins bounty program under Gregg Williams http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/03/nfl-will-now-investigate-redskins-bounty-program/

  • Ah, I forgot he was with the Redskins prior to his stint with the Saints. I thought some former NO defensive coach was now with the Redskins....

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    And best part, you now have Matt Bowen putting out confirmation that the Skins had a bounty program under Williams in print and television.

    Uh, Matt - you ain't getting a christmas card from Gregg this year.

  • However, it certainly didn't help that the Bears only employed their tight ends on 301 pass routes over roughly 1,200 offensive snaps last season, according to Pro Football Focus. The Bears used tight ends in a passing role at a lower rate than almost every NFL team.


  • http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8275959e/article/saints-bounty-scandal-whats-the-proper-punishment?module=HP11_hot_topics

    A full season suspension? Whoa.. that's big. Of course an assumption but for a team to be done for a season? Ouch.

  • I'm not sure if the NFL can do that. They have TV contracts and such that require a certain number of games to be played. Suspending a team could cause too much trouble.

    Plus, I'd be curious if suspending the Saints from fielding a team isn't outside the league rules. There are probably very specific circumstances for something like that in the league charter and I would imagine that the owners would need to vote for it.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    yep, that will NEVER happen man. This is a business, not the fucking NCAA. (not that the NCAA isn't a huge business, but this is the big leagues)

  • I'm not a personal injury guy, but if I was a player for the Saints that got sued for participating in the bounty system, I'd be looking to sue the Saints for indemnification. Normally this kind of thing falls "outside the scope of employment" so no respondiat superior... but contact sports (sort of like security industry) are kind of an interesting grey area. If I'm the guy that got hurt, I'm absolutely suing the team, the coaches, the players, anybody that got named all the way down the line.

    If I'm looking to penalize the Saints, I'd be of two minds.

    1) A bounty system that gives cash for sacks, interceptions or other "within the rules" statistics violates the "no bounty" rule and also possibly the salary cap or similar issues. That seems to be about equal to the Patriots taping scandal, which was worth a first round pick. Since the Saints don't have a first this year, I might take away their first in 2013 and a third this year, or maybe just take their 2nd and 3rd this year.

    2) A bounty system that gives cash for injuring players or otherwise violating safety rules is a fair bit worse. But at the same time you can only take away so many draft picks before you're really punishing the fans and the owners (who apparently didn't know) more than the culprits. I would probably give a similar or slightly harsher draft pick penalty (maybe take away this year's 2&3, plus next year's 1). But I would hand out a lot of suspensions and/or bans.

    The question is, if the Saints' entire defense participated and they have no real draft picks this year, how do they play with all those players out? Do you allow them to break the team into 4 groups that alternate 4 game suspensions throughout the season? Do they get to add scrubs to the roster while the other players are out?

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    I believe there is a precedence for the rotating suspensions, although I can't remember the circumstance off the top of my head. It may have been related to the Starcaps case.

  • What's the rule on "performance based" bounty systems? Can you give bonuses to players based on sacks, interceptions or the like? I know contracts are allowed to have the stats, but what about just a little extra motivation - small money rewards or luxury goods?

    Seems to me that, as long as it factors into the cap, there's nothing wrong with a team promising, say, the sacks leader with a trip to Hawaii ($5-10K value) at the end of the season.

    Likewise for bad stats... the WR that drops the most passes in a game buys breakfast at the next day's team meeting. Is that allowed?

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    In terms of the league rule, those are a no-no. Non-contract bonuses are illegal under the CBA.
    The fact that they came, mostly, from player money seems to be irrelevant. Buying breakfast? It's probably impossible to prove that is a "bonus" - $10k for knocking out an opposing player is likely a little easier to make stick.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    There's absolutely no reason those shouldn't be built into the standard team contract if that's the way you want to incent your players, is there?

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I think for the right locker room, the right coaches, rewards like that could be a good thing. And honestly, we all complain that player salaries aren't more tied to incentives, so why not have some fun money at least built in.

    I know first round picks traditionally buy dinner for the whole team. QBs traditionally buy the line nice presents every season. Probably some other traditions float around as well.

    Goodell irritates me to no end, but the NFLPA, again, seems to have shot itself in the foot on this one.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    I agree but I don't see why you can't use those incentives as part of the contract. What's the benefit from doing them "under the table" as it were? And I'm sure, to your point about the salary cap, it makes it much more difficult for the NFL to monitor those transactions if they're not in contract form.

  • Irish-It's my hormones. Turn 40 in two weeks. I'd like to have a mid-life crisis but I can't afford one. Mwah.

    Dude..do we have the same effing bday?

    Not to go all girly on you but damn mine is March 12..I knew we were related but am I the future you?

  • Well, you've got the good-looking thing down .... and the force is strong with you - but are you awesome in bed ?

    But no. March 16th.

  • Do K.O.'s count in bed?

  • if we pick up a TE in this year's draft I will drive to halas myself and fucking slap emery. Jesus chris are they serious?! And because some 'famous' chick shows her pussy to the world are we all going to wearing those dresses this year.

    I hope you have some balls and some smarts emery and you stick to what we really fucking need, not what's popular this year.

    That said, do I think we should pick up a hardcore gronk type TE next year if davis and whomever else we keep (hopefully Spaeth) doesn't work out, hells yes.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    This year's draft class is so thin at TE that I will be shocked if any one of them performs to the level of Olsen, much less a Graham.

    Emery can't possibly be stupid enough to waste an early round pick on a TE this year, he just can't. Can he?

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    god I hope nope my maings, but this is the bears. That would mean we either have Jerry2, or the cancer is actually lovie meddling where he has no right.

    btw, why are you here instead of haji-ing? And what was your recipe again, hardline and what else to get all the goodies quickly?

  • In reply to MB30SD:


  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Tired - didn't make it to the gym until 10:45pm.

    Hardline Pro knocks a kill off of each kill streak AND counts two assists as one kill.
    Then, if I'm using the Assault package, I go: care package, predator, air strike. So, you can get the Care Package with 3 straight kills (or a combination of assists and kills) and then it's fairly easy to get your Predator. If you don't whiff on the Predator, the kill (or kills) from it will get you the Air Strike. And so on. Using concussion or flashbangs will give you credit for an assist so use them liberally.
    I have actually gotten all three of those kill streaks in the span of 15 seconds before. I was capping a point, threw flashbangs from where I was prone that counted as assists, and killed a couple of guys who ran into me. Bang, bang, bang.

    And capturing points in Domination, at least, counts towards your kill streak as well if you're using HL Pro.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    nice. I will try that. thanks

    btw, you should never give up your secrets that easily... especially to an opponent who's trying to kill you. Damn it rabbit. I may have to bring back some gemsbok biltong for you as a consolation prize... ohhhhhh.... geeeeemsbok biiiiltong. Fucking delish-shous maings.

    I am usually an assist maniac between my flashy bangies, my noob tube (you get assists because it also acts as a flashbang... I only realized that the week before I left) and the haji actually does the same thing with the explosion.

    …wait a minute... damn it! I just gave up my secrets to an opponent trying to kill me… curses!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I have a confession. I don't eat hamburgers. Haven't for years and years. Don't like hot dogs either.
    So is it weird that I really want to eat air-dried raw steak that's been soaked in vinegar and spices?

    This is the picture that got me going on it:

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    reposting from above:

    it is the BEST 'beef jerky' you will ever eat.

    i've made it before, very easy actually. All you need is one of those ronco food dehydrators (a little fan at the bottom of a plastic dome).

    I'm sure you're already seen recipes online. Soooo good. The problem is that you won't be able to get the real stuff in the states because the real stuff is made with dead african 'deer' meat. Springbok, gemsbok (my fav), eland, kudu, etc… you can do it with venison in the states (I’ve tried), but it’s still not the same. Maybe it’s something about our meat running from lions and leopards that makes it special.

    You should try though, it’s worth it. Or, just go to www.1800biltong.com and order some. Thiers is not bad. You’ll get the basic idea at least. Order it in strips so you can bite it off. The cut pieces are lame. Oh, and while you’re there, if you like sausage, get you some Boerewors.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    btw, that pic you linked to... that is some rare biltong. It can range from raw like that to really really dry. People like it all over the map, but I am a severly dry guy. I'll eat it any way I can get it, but my fav is dry.

    Going to my dad's german butcher to get some more today (we've already crushed through a couple pounds of it). Woo hoo!

    (I'm just praying I make it back without having a heart attack)

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    If I like this stuff enough, I'll go pick up a dehydrator. Evidently they sell this brand out of a store or two in the DC metro area as well.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Yeah, biltong is awesome to be sure.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I had thta horrible thought when I saw the Spaeth rumour on here - Allen is 6'3 and isn't any great shakes at blocking by all accounts, would he really trade down for that. KOnz, Ming or Kuechly would make me happy ... but a tight end ?

  • The more I think about, I see two big targets for us to move up to.

    1) If we see the WR of our dreams in the draft, we can trade with the Cowboys to leap frog Philly. The Cowboys are looking at CB among other spots and might get the same player at 19 as at 14. This move would probably cost us one of our third rounders, if not our fourth.

    2) The Colts need a lot of players, and there are some really nice prospects that we'll miss out on being so low in the second. I would trade our 2nd and both 3rds to get the Colts' 2nd and 3rd. I would also trade both of our 3rds for their 2nd straight up.

    If I'm Emery, I would have to have my eye on someone really special to give up picks after preaching so much about building through the draft. But good teams make bold moves - we need to be a good team.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    we need more picks not fewer - shotgun vs. sniper. none of us have seen what emery can do in the draft so fewer picks for 'special' players sounds very risky to me.

    Maybe he turns out to be the antithesis of Jerry and that would be great, but I like the NE formula of 600 picks in ever draft until we know who emery is.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    If we'd have lost that last game, we could be arguing about trading down right now. What a shame.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    If Hill dropped to the second round I wouldn't say no to a trade up. One vet WR and one good value drafted WR would be sweet. But Plax is a no-brainer at 3M. W้hatever happens we should make a pass at him.

  • In wake of Saints bounty fiasco, I'll say that never in my 8 years (7 with Lovie) was money ever tossed out to injure an opposing player-Hunter Hillenmeyer

    Have you guys notice nothing has happened to Mario Williams yet... I will gladly take this guy off the Texans hands..

  • Texans won't franchise him and he is going to get offers from Cowboys, Pats, us, the Bengals...gotta say, I think our chances of landing him are slim.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I mean, if we don't get a stud WR, we better shell out for Mario.

    I am only okay with second tier guys if we already have a number one.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    you'll love it maings.... biltong, not mario... well, you'd love him too.

  • http://static.nfl.com/static/content/catch_all/nfl_image/draft_cheat_120302_1600.jpg

    Speculation here..be careful.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEVCjUG1Mww

    This was great. You have to love Chicago's greatest players.

  • Has this been posted? Bills under Williams had bounty system:

    "During his time as Buffalo Bills head coach, Gregg Williams promoted cash bonuses for delivering hits that seriously injured opponents, former safety Coy Wire told The Buffalo News.

    "There was financial compensation," Wire said.

    Three other defensive players from that era, speaking to The News on condition of anonymity, confirmed that a bounty system existed during Williams' time with the Bills. Two of those players said cash bonuses were paid for "knockout shots" that sent opponents out of games."


  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    This BountyGate fiasco is opening up a Pandora's Box...

    I have mixed feelings about it. As a forner player (not college), I understand the Greg Williams fo the world. Who hasn't had a Greg Williams type coach? I heard "Knock his god damn head off!" so many times, I began to think it was my Indian name.

    And as a former player, there is nothing sweeter than crunching a guy, then not seeing him get up. It's barbaric - it's primative - but I suppose football attracts these types.

    After all, it was Butkus who said, "When I played pro football, I never set out to hurt anyone deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something."

    I would argue that 99% of all football players (and fans) feel the same way. When Peppers took that shot against Rodgers in the Championship game, that was a Butkus shot. Pepp wanted to take him out of the game, make no bones about it. And all of us would have jumped off our couches had Rodgers been knocked out of that game. Instead, they got to our guy, but we didn't bitch about it. That's just the way it goes, esp in a rivalry game to determine who goes to the SB.

    However, there's a BIG difference between hurting a player, and injuring,i/> him, and a big difference between injuring someone accidentally and doing so for money.

    Going for knees, stepping on throats, late hits, crack backs, those are all cheap shops that should not be tolerated, much less financially rewarded. If someone in a pickup game hits me so hard that I crack a rib, well, that's just the way it goes. But if someone steps on my throat, one of us is not going to be standing real soon.

    I think a just punishment would be to take away the Saints 2nd rounder this year, next years 1st and 3rd, and a 1mil fine to start off with.

    As for the coaches and players who participated in it, that might be a bit more complicated. Also, how far back should Goodell go? Does he just single out Greg Williams ex/teams? There are reports now that Peyton Manning's neck problems may have began when a Redskin (while Williams was DC) hit him during a game...if so, can Peyton actually sue? If it wasn't for his injury, no doubt the Colts don't suck for Luck and he continues to collect his 100 mil contract...that sounds like a Lawyers wet dream.

    This could get really messy.

  • Williams is out of football shortly. I'm sure alot of people did it/do it but it the getting caught part that stings ya.

    I'd like to know Harper's compensation for almost killing Earl Bennett.

  • Mierde...fixed?

  • That's the thing Johnny.

    There's so many ways to do "bounties" without being caught, so are the Saints being punished for lack of subtlety?

    I mean, instead of Vilma giving $10K for a "kill shot", he could easily just give that teammate like a boat or something for Christmas, and how could the NFL track that stuff? I would guess only if squealers come forth, but then that might punish teams who no longer have those coaches, and it's like the Carroll/Bush USC thing all over again...

  • For DaCoach's Mustache:

    Rep. Roscoe Bartlett (R - Md.) was involved in a brief skirmish Tuesday over his alleged support for the “’Stache Act [Stimulus To Allow Critical Hair Expenses Act],” a proposal from a group called the American Moustache Institute, to provide a $250 tax credit for Americans with moustaches...


    I love the video. Join the Million Mustache March:


  • Ha, AMI, of course, those bastards!

  • This fucking blog.

  • FA Bears scenarios.

    1) At long last, the Bears snatch a #1 WR in Vjax or Colston. Bears nation dust off their 'staches and sweater vests.

    2) The Bears decide one Pepp is good, but two Pepps (Mario Williams) is fantastic. Makes sense when they must play Rodgers and Staford/Megatron 4 times a year, and whatever stud QB they must face in the playoffs.

    3) Emery concludes that Vjax, Colston and Williams are too expensive, and that it's better to build through the draft. However, he still adds depth by signing a mesh of 2nd tier players. Choose your combo platter. WR Meachum, DE Mathis, LT Gaither/McNeill, S Laron Landry, LB London Fletcher, RB Petyon Hillis...

    4) Deja Vu...Bears sign a bunch of back ups like Angelo last year, proving irrefutably once and for all that the Bears truly are the cheapest team on the planet. Congrats on your title! It's the only title they'll be earning...

  • I have mixed feelings about it. --4ever85

    Me too. I've mentioned it before - as a fan (which is all i've ever been) I want to see blood and gore and guts and veins in Pepper's teeth, But it's not my blood. So I also agree with all the player safety rules.

    The biggest problem (for me as a spectator) is that the Ref's have proven again and again that they can't tell the difference between a good hard hit and a dangerous dirty one. Every time they throw a BS flag for roughing the passer, they create a backlash that hurts the cause of player safety.

  • I have no idea what happened with my reply to 4ever85 above. I posted it as a reply, and it appeared as a new comment, italicized.

  • *its

    And while we're at it, here's Briggs on Megatron...


  • Hey, Crunch, clicked on the link, and it took me to Alice's Restaurant...you are one eccentric dude lol

    Oh, and in case anyone forgot about that Pepp hit on Rodgers, here it is in all it's glory...


  • Wow, this blog is a true disgrace, a total embarrassment, the worst on the web, no question about it.

    To the fucking moron who runs this POS, please disable html formatting in comments if you can't fix the bugs.

  • Same here Crunch (to replies).

    I notice this blog gets discombobulated once the comments hit 300+.

    And please, don't give them any ideas about disabling the HTML, cuz they're so lazy, they may just do it.

    It's bad enough they disabled autolinks.

    Well, at least we don't have to do this anymore "@Crunch" for responses anymore...Jebus Christo...

  • Yeahhhhh! Fuck that fucking Discount Double Fuck (I'm so ashamed).

    [Da Blog is hosed, I guess. This was posted as a reply to 4ever85's vid of the Peppers hit on Rahgahz]

  • Dude, Pepp hit Raghahz so hard that he bit his own tongue till it bled.

    LOVE. IT.

    That's why we're football fans and not futbol fans.

    I guess we have to draw the line with a player doing it of his own mean accord, or doing it simply for money.

    Kinda like a samurai vs a ninja....

  • Or doing it to Cutler (dirty bastards).

    Btw, 4ever85, the link to Alice's Restaurant was just a way of pointing out that I stole the "blood and gore and guts and veins in my teeth" line from Arlo. That line was just the first thing to come to mind vis-à -vis what I like to see as a fan, as long as it's not Cutler getting crushed, of course.

  • Anybody got a Twitter account wanna ask Jeff to post a new thread so we can haz replies back?

    Maybe post something about Nathan Lane as Hickey in the Iceman Cometh. That sounds interesting. And it would be relevant to this offseason, waiting for FA, the draft, and the death of our pipe dreams. The days grow hot, O Babylon!

  • Regarding Harper and the hit on Bennett - I understand he received $1500 for that particular bounty.

    Some dude was arguing on twitter with me that it was a legal hit...since 99% of the news reports afterwards agreed with me that it was spearing with the crown of his helmet on a defenseless receiver, I'm right, whether the league office was too far up its ass to fine him at the time or not.

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    I officially can't follow this thread. Way too many comments. Does anybody have tips for keeping up on this blog?

    Obviously there is the recent comments bar, but that doesn't go back very far at all...

    And then a few times, I searched the word "minutes" and that gets me everything in the last 24 hours, but if I've been gone for a few, that's a huge pain in the ass...

    Any other tips?

  • Jesse G,

    That weird time stamp format you mentioned drives me nuts. On any other comment unfriendly blog, you can at least find new comments by searching for something like "said at [insert hour]." But that's not possible here. If that wasn't bad enough, the time stamp is done in a faint grey font, making it very difficult to see when scrolling for new comments.

    This site is just plain shit, and whoever runs it is either an idiot or lazy or a passive aggressive little asshole. It will never change. The only tip I can offer is log out and come back when Jeff posts a new thread tomorrow. He said on Twitter that he wants to keep the present thread going all weekend to advertise the Draft Party.

    One thing I can guarantee, the guy who runs this site won't see the ad for the party, and if does, he won't show up and introduce himself.

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    Yeah, it's really a shame. I used to love reading the comments on this blog years ago, and it's great that so many people are here now and like to participate in the discussions, but it's so hard to follow and organize.

    I really like Jeff, But, I think he should at least write something small every day or so just to keep the comments manageable.

  • ChicagoNow is literally the worst site on the internet. I challenge anyone to find a worse WordPress site. Can't be done. Nobody should have to go out of their way just to make it manageable.

    But if you want to try to make it work, there are blog comment trackers and personal blog aggregators that track comments. I've never gone to the trouble of opening an account with one of them. I assume they won't work with ChicagoNow.

  • http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/18362/free-agent-preview-mike-wallace

    Not a bad argument.

  • OK, so the reply button isn't working anymore. Man Bites Dog is news, shit functionality on this site isn't. The good news is that I've done some ecclesiastical research and if you're Catholic, time spent on ChicagoNow counts against time you'd normally have to spend in Purgatory....

  • Buffalo Bills and WR Stevie Johnson are on the verge of a five-year contract that is likely to be completed in the next 24 hours.

  • Patriots are reported to be going hard after Vincent Jackson.

    Colston is looking like the only one left that could be an actual legit number one for us unless Bowe is not franchised tagged.

  • Greenfield you incompetent fuckhead, you suck at your job and I just wanted you to know it. I am awesome at mine and you truly suck penis at yours. The difference between us you ask? I take constructive criticism and turn it into an opportunity to be unstoppable. You just sit there in your stained underwear with your pedophile looking face and do nothing. Boom. That just happened.

  • I thought Greenfield has a different job now?

  • IRS is going to end up nailing some of these players for the earned income they failed to report for those "bonuses".

  • Alright, who broke the fucking site... $, buttsteak? 8lb baby jebus.

    Greenfield or the slob who took over.... eat a bag of dicks.

    Jeff, can't you do something about this? Honestly maings.

  • I swear it wasn't me this time, MB.

    I left a comment on the ChicagoNow staff blog. I assumed it would go into moderation and disappear forever like the comments I left at the CN Young Republican blog, but it posted.

    At least it shows-up as posted to me. Sometimes comments awaiting moderation are visible to the poster but no one else. Usually they say "awaiting moderation," but this is ChicagoNow after all. So if you go there and there's nothing but buttkissing comments from CN buttkissers, the comment either isn't there or it was deleted.

    Anyway, I'm holding a contest. First prize is a $25 gift card at Best Buy, left over from two Christmases ago, if the serial number hasn't worn off by now (Best Buy cards don't expire). It's not much, but last I checked, BB online has a pretty good selection of old CD's and stuff like that. The rules are explained in the CN Staff Blog comment. Here's the link:


  • The Tennessee Titans are likely to use their franchise tag on safety Michael Griffin.

  • Crunch! I liked your post on the staff blog: humorous, informative, and somewhat rude.
    THEN i read your reply to yourself... "This reply was posted in order to....."
    I laughed out loud and beer actually came out of my nose. You took all that time to list the problems everyone is having, and that was like a stab in their heart saying "oh yeah, this too".
    Of course, no administrator will ever read it though.

  • Did no one watch that MJ commercial putting down Lebron basically? Hmm.

    I find it really funny when someone breaks the blog. Sadly, the only way they will listen is if you stop us from commenting at all.

  • Two years ago today, #Bears signed Julius Peppers. He has 19 sacks as a Bear and two Pro Bowl appearances.

  • Read where Seattle signed Marshawn Lynch to a 4 year/$31 mil contract with $18 mil guaranteed. He is a 2-time pro bowler. This should help the Forte negotiations.

  • #1

    See that number? I'm numbering my comments for reply reference. Don't anybody else use #1, I already used it. You can be #2.

    Speaker for the Dead! My KOS name is Bean, from the series, though I never login anymore so it's probably been purged by now.

    "No administrator will read it" but I never expected it to appear at all. I swear I tried to leave a comment there once, and it got disappeared in moderation. So I'm just glad there's an official place to complain that doesn't weed-out the negative.

    Maybe Greenfield 2.0 knows how to read.

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    Crunch, thanks for the comment to ChicagoNow... I seconded your sentiments.

    Jesus, Does anybody else frequent SBNation blogs? I'm on their Bulls board a bunch, and I spend a fair amount of time at WindyCityGridiron...

    I've never really though that SBNation was awesome, but this ChicagoNow stuff is shitty. What I wouldn't give for some of those features now that I'm trying to keep up on the comments here.

    But I like Jeff, always have. I was. Just wish he had better hosting.

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    Oops, I didn't mean to leave "I was." in that last sentence... I'd edit my comment but... ChicagoNow.

  • Save the blog! Jeff, just post a picture of a hot dog with a slice of banana skewered on top. I'll call it an apple and we'll take it from there.

  • #2

    Yes, repost the draft party article with a more photogenic burger. Cortland's would thank you.


    I used to read a blog that kept track of thread views. Every comment posted since you last reloaded the thread was marked [NEW] in bold red letters. All you had to do to locate new comments was type "[NEW]" into the find bar of your browser, and hit next. It was better than a sort-by-time feature, because comments appeared in context. I think the blog had RSS or email notification also, but the normal method was so convenient you didn't need it.

    A copy of every comment you posted was saved in your profile page. Some users had thousands of comments going back years. This was a
    blog, btw, not a forum.

    You could delete comments (but not after someone replied), edit them (but not after a certain time limit - to prevent people from sanitizing their comment history), and post pictures.

    Those features sucked at times, like when someone deleted a comment just as you were about to post a long reply, or when some dufus posted a 2 megabyte jpg, but how great would it be to have that here? You could go back and check people's past draft choices, see how they turned out, and ream them for it. You could post boobies.

  • #3

    And there was a link to the blog's externally hosted web-chat. I forget the name of the host site, but it was free, I think, and it was fast and light-weight. Perfect for game-day, when half the comments here are like, in crayon.

  • Irish, THAT shit was funny maing. Banana.

    Crunch, you're a little like the syrian rebels. Once the regime falls, think you'll execute the leader?

    ...actually, you're more like the russian people. no fucking choice. Good luck my man, you'll need it.

  • Remember pearl Harbor! Goddam Germans. Capitalist svine! Stupid bourgeois monkeys.

  • insomniac?

  • Such lack of fight.

    "Shame on you. This could be the greatest night of our lives, but you're going to let it be the worst. And I guarantee you that a week won't go by when you won't regret walking out, letting them get the best of you.

    Believe me when I say we can break this army here, and win just one for the Gipper. For I say unto you what every warrior has known since the beginning of time: you've got to get mad. I mean plum maddog mean.

    If you would be free men, then you must fight to fulfill that promise! Let us cut out their living guts one inch at a time, and they will know what we can do! Let no man forget how menacing we are. We are Bears! This is YOUR time! Seize the day, never surrender, victory or death. THAT'S the Chicago Way!

    Who's with me? Clap! Clap! Don't let Tink die! Clap...


  • I'm chiming in as well. We'll see if they are actually reading the comments.

  • Lord knows, if there's any one that can drive up the comment count on that post and get their attention, it's this crowd.

  • Just read me Jesse. I'm where it's at. Just drop me your email and I'll send you details of how to get my DVD and relaxation and self-empowerment audio tapes at a low, low price.

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