Ten Thoughts on Matt Forte's Bitchy Tweet

Ten Thoughts on Matt Forte's Bitchy Tweet

Here is what Mr. Forte Tweeted today after the Bears announced their signing of terrific running back Michael Bush to a four-year contract with $7 million guaranteed:

“There’s only so many times a man that has done everything he’s been asked to do can be disrespected!” Forte tweeted. “Guess the GOOD GUYs do finish last.”

Here are my thoughts. If you follow me on Twitter, I apologize. Some of the following will be repeated.

  1. I am good a guy. According to Matt Forte, good guys finish last. I will have to assume "finishing last" to Forte is cashing checks worth a total of $7.7 million over the next nine months. So apparently I am due almost $8 million this year. Nice.
  2. Phil Emery's signing of Michael Bush is not disrespectful to Matt Forte. The Bears are signing a running back to take some of Forte's workload, to extend his career, to protect his future health. They are not signing Bush in lieu of Forte. They are signing Bush to COMPLIMENT Forte and protect themselves against a prospective hold out. It's a wonderful move by a very impressive (at least so far) GM.
  3. If NFL players hate this franchise tag so much why do they continually allow it to stand in CBA negotiations? The franchise tag allows teams that draft talented players to keep them without long-term extension by paying a hefty one-year sum - above fair market value. Holdouts on the franchise tag should be illegal. Otherwise what's the use of having them?
  4. You know what you never hear? "The Bears 2011 season imploded when Matt Forte went down." You know why you never hear it? They still ran the ball really, really well.
  5. The Bears should not trade Matt Forte. Unless a team comes to the table with a number one draft pick (they won't) they should tell him to sign the tender or spend the season on the bench. If Forte can afford to leave $7.7 million in the McCaskey bank account, let's see what kind of fan support he has at that point.
  6. Running backs already have the shortest shelf life in the league and its a position prone to significant injuries. The reason the Bears and the Ravens (Ray Rice) are using the franchise tag for that position is because they are smart.
  7. Make no mistake about it. The Bears gained significant leverage with the acquisition of Brandon Marshall. The Bears will be passing the ball quite a bit next season and Forte's % of offense number would have declined naturally.
  8. DeAngelo Williams' contract with the Carolina Panthers was thought to have set the marketplace but teams have not allowed it to happen. Moon Mullin reported the Bears offered Forte a multi-year deal with $12 million guaranteed. He rejected it.
  9. For those of you citing the Texans extending Arian Foster, I understand it. They also then released their starting right tackle and starting center for financial reasons.
  10. I like Matt Forte. I think he is smart and versatile. I want him to play another half-decade with the Chicago Bears. But I think it's tough to win in the court of public opinion when you're using ridiculous language to describe a check for $8 million. Say you want to be with the Bears long-term. Say you believe it's difficult to go all-in without that long-term security. But don't, do not, never call eight million bucks "finishing last".

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  • first to say i wish i could turn down 14 million dollars guaranteed because that sum made me feel disrespected.

  • bingo evan. bingo.

    Shit I'll let Emery disrespect me for $1M

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    i bet you'll let a lot of people do a lot of things for $1M. lord knows i would.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    C'mon MB, YOU'VE already been disrespected for A LOT LESS than that...

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I'd be honored to have Emery disrespect me.

  • Erik, can you please tweet this post's link directly to forte (or Rabbit... since you don't give a shit and aren't trying to make a career of this). maybe he'll also read some of our comments.

    We love you matt, but you need to smarten up, take the VERY reasonable offer already given, and fire you fucking greedy moron of an agent... RIGHT NOW. What's the price of a SB ring matt? Add that to your equation.

  • One thing I don't get. How are we going to become a more passing team? I thought the main reason we got Tice was to run more?

  • We'll definitely be a more balanced team. We'll be able to run it when we need to run it, and pass it when we need to pass it. Hopefully we'll pull ahead with the passing aspect in games, and then be able to run out the clock, and hit them off the play-action as a result. I guess the expectation of running more was derived from our situation last year where the passing game sucked. Surely straying too much from 50/50 pass/run isn't a good idea anyway.

    Is there a more exciting offense in the NFL now? Are we it? The Eagles?

  • It means we'll pass the same number of times, but this time those passes will be caught.

  • In reply to alphaneko:

    +1

  • The reason Foster got paid, and many people said this factored into it, he produced, was quiet, and did not make public scenes about his contract.

    Forte has done this twice. By the way, when we see contracts, why can't we have it show how much the agent gets? Is that wrong to do or something because we all know that is where most of his money is going?

  • I suppose it's like literary agents, there's a standard 15% cut or whatever. That's why so many of these things end up in bitterness. The player just wants his deal to get done so he can relax and think about football - but the agent is in there playing with their heads, building them up - you're worth this you're worth that - just trying to big up their end at, and most often to the detriment of their client (or their image at least). We're about to see Forte moving teams for exactly that reason. If it was left up to Forte he'd have been well happy with 12M I would have thought.

  • Haugh: "Arian Foster, the NFL's leading rusher in 2010, made a mere $525,000 last season and nobody in Houston heard a peep of self-pity."

  • Done.

  • Forte just tweeted this after I sent him that link to here...

    Matt Forte ‏ @MattForte22
    for the record I'm not mad at the signing of another running back. This is 4th time that's happened. I embrace competition as well as help

  • followed by:

    "But as for not taking care of ur own and undervaluing a player under his market value is another story! #twitterrant"

    he never made the pro bowl and the bears offered him $14 million guaranteed, and a total contract worth more than the chiefs gave PRO BOWL running back jamaal charles. STFU, matt.

  • In reply to evantonio:

    Matt made the pro bowl last season.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    correct. he did.

    but he had never made the pro bowl when he turned down their offer last season, which is the number i was referring to.

    i appreciate you disliking my views on the forte situation, but i'm not so ass backwards as to not know when my team sends their first running back to the pro bowl since Neal Anderson.

  • But as for not taking care of ur own and undervaluing a player under his market value is another story! #twitterrant

  • Sigmund Bloom ‏ @SigmundBloom
    Another thing that should justifiably make @mattforte22 mad is that the #bears have doled out about 15M guaranteed to BACKUP RBs since 2010

  • How is that Emery's fault? I understand how Forte is frustrated with the wasted money on Manu-shamoo, Taylor, etc, but get in line. We all thought JA's FA scavenging was a waste.

    I love Forte, but he needs to re-evaluate his market value. If no one is willing to give a 1st, even a late 1st for him, then maybe he shouldn't be expecting Foster cash.

    The TEAM is BETTER with Bush on it. Maybe Forte's agent isn't better off, but the team is.

  • Great points Deadlift.

  • i like matt, i want him to be a bear for many more years. i don't plan on holding his recent comments against him. everyone gets emotional at times. as we get older and mature, we learn to guard our words more carefully. i'm guessing he would like to take that tweet back. however, his comments have not destroyed him. he needs to stand up, talk about it and move on...and then cross the goal line for the bears next season. 14 mil ain't bad matt. greed will take a man apart.

  • In reply to kaiser22:

    14 million before he ever made a pro bowl. again, where is the disrespect in that?

  • In reply to evantonio:

    matt needs to man up to what he said. yep, 14 mil before a pro bowl selection...that's a lot of money. i think we all know that there is a level of greed in all of us and circumstances sometimes make us act a little crazy/stupid. he's got a mountain in front of him for sure, and he is responsible for his words. will be interesting to see his next move.

  • In reply to evantonio:

    Being offered a below market contract is not a reason to be overjoyed. He has played 4 seasons for an avg of $600k/season. Way below market value for his production. None of us can relate to this kind of money. I'm guessing he wants $20 mil guaranteed. Hopefully Emery and Matt's agent come to a compromise between the $14 mil and the $20 mil. It would be the best outcome for both parties. If he got a 4-year $32 mil contract with a guarantee he can live with, that would mean the Bear got 8 years of service at $4.3 mil/year. If he could be productive til the end of that contract, everyone should be happy. Just a thought.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    That's the problem Canada.

    When I took logic, one of the first lessons I learned was this:

    If two sides don't agree on a premise, arguments (negotiations) cannot take place.

    The premise in this case is "Market Value". The Bears and Forte simply do not agree. Many fans cannot agree.

    Some think market value for Forte is Top 5 money, in which case the Bears would have to fork over AP, CJ, Foster money.

    Some think market value for Forte is Top 10, in which case that would be closer to Marshawn Lynch money.

    The Bears and Forte must first agree on what is the appropriate 'Market Value', if not, it'll be like last year.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    was it below market last season? he never made the pro bowl, never rushed for double-digit TD's, and averaged over 4.0 YPC 1 out of 3 years. with those kind of numbers, i'd say $14mm+ guaranteed, with a total contract value ABOVE the one signed by pro bowl RB jamaal charles, was very fair.

    sure, his backup made more than he did last year. but that's not the bears fault. that was a decision matt and his agent made.

  • In reply to evantonio:

    You want to quote numbers, here ya go; in his first three years before the contract offer he had 811 rushes for 3236 yds for a 4.0 yds/carry avg. 171 receptions for 1495 yds for a 8.7 yds/rec avg. He scored 25 TD's for an avg of 8.3 TD's/season. He had a total of 982 touches in those 3 years. All of this with Ron Turner as OC for 2 years and The Genius for the other year. Also, had a terrible OL all 3 years and was hurt for most of the second year. Almost every regular on this blog could predict the vast majority of the plays before the snap when Turner was the OC. Not to mention his first year we had crap at the QB position. His 3rd year the HC and OL coach had to have an intervention to get the fucking OC to run the ball.

    Those same 3 years for Charles 599 touches and 17 TD's.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    canada, I think he should come see you when he cans his current agent

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I'd get a deal done, dammit! I never let any of the he said, she said stuff bother me. I get both sides of the negotiations. There is room for compromise for both parties. If I were Matt I'd be righteously pissed that the GM almost guaranteed a deal would get done and then get a low ball, take it or leave it offer. If I were the Bears, I wouldn't want to get locked into a prohibitive deal with a player at the most risky position. There HAS to be some middle ground.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Yep, although every day this continues, that middle ground shifts a little bit closer to where Emery is standing.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    charles averaged 5.9 YPC in 09, 6.4 in 10. 5.3 in 08, but we'll throw that out as he wasn't yet the starter and only had 67 rushes.

    charles was being paid for 09 and 10. if you're pushing 6 yards a carry, you deserve that loot.

    now, i'm not saying forte doesn't deserve to get paid. i just don't get the whole "they're paying my backup more than me!" argument when you and your agent are the ones who made that happen.

    has he been lowballed so far this year? perhaps. but last year i don't think he was being lowballed based on what he had done.

    if you look at the big RB paydays - cj2k and AP - they were consistently bad ass year after year. deangelo's contract is silly. foster's, well, only time will tell. as far as figuring out forte's, it's like butch says up there. is he a top 5 back, or a top 10?

    all i know is barber and bell were also able to run pretty effectively behind what everyone is calling one of the worst lines in the league.

  • In reply to evantonio:

    What made Foster's dumber, to me, is that Houston has a fantastic backup in Ben Tate. That guy is every bit the running back that Foster is.
    And they lost Mario because they put the RB as their priority.
    Not wise.

  • In reply to evantonio:

    He had more touches than any RB in those 3 years. 981. To me, that says the Bears thought he was elite. We can spin the stats any way we want.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    that says the bears thought he was elite, or they thought they had devin hester as a #1 wide receiver. bring back JD Runnels and our problems will be solved.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Gee Canada, don't post actual NUMBERS to refute all the people on here that wish to attack Forte for whatever reason.

    Bottom line is the guy should get a contract, and should make more money than any other runner on the team.

  • In reply to evantonio:

    Matt Forte had three rushing TDs last year. Three. His size? Losing goal-line touches? LeSean McCoy had 17.

  • Yup. 3 rushing touchdowns. That is not an elite running back.

    "But it's not his fault!" someone surely will cry. "They took him out inside the 5!"

    Why? Because he's shit in short down situations. Top 5 running backs don't get yanked on every goal-to-go, or every XX and 1 situation.

  • In reply to evantonio:

    Yeah, we get it that you hate Forte.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    i don't hate forte. i'll be pissed as shit if he leaves, even if we get that #4 pick some people in this chain seem to have deluded themselves into thinking we can get for him.

    what i do hate is how he thinks he's disrespected when he's the one who turned down all that money and paints the bears as the bad guy for paying free agent backups the money it takes to get them to choose our team over someone else's.

  • To PE: give me $500,000 and I ´ll run over anyone in front of me.

  • Hey Matt Forte, you disrespected every Chicago fan in December 2011, do you remember? Remember when you were sitting on the bench and other were carrying the ball? Cause I sure do! Really?

  • In reply to ChiBears34:

    Wow, what an asshole statement.

  • ChiBear34- settle down over there. Injuries happen and at least Matt has been healthy and productive for the most part. But trying to win in the court of public opinion on this one is near impossible. Matt should be quiet and let his agent hammer out a contract instead of crying to the media. And yes when celbrities post stuff on their twitter accounts they know damn well that they're just providing a talking point to the media.

  • posting anything on twitter, facebook, email or whatever, when a person is emotional or drinking is simply a bad move. i don't understand why people don't learn. go to bed, think about it in the morning, talk to someone with a level head before you hit the send button.

  • Weren't you the one calling cutler a pussy bc he broke his thumb? Or am I imagining things?

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Impressive memory Brownie. I can never remember who said what.

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    And yet I can barely remember the combination for my lock at the gym.

    Middle age is seriously eroding my brain...I almost cried at the end of "The Lorax" last night. And I've seen it twice!

    $%&*(&$%(

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Thank god for 2 young nieces... I got to see that shit opening weekend.

    My second favorite Dr. Seuss story (first being the Sneetches, of course).

    It may have gotten a little dusty in the theater during the ending...

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    You know what really gets me? Especially with some family drama in my life right now...
    "Chimpanzee".

    Can't wait to take my daughter to it, and we talk about it once a day, but I know there's going to be waterworks. Like, embarrassing amounts of waterworks.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    can I help... with a Haji?

    in all seriousness, hope all is well with you guys rabbit.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I've been better. Life throws you curveballs just when you think it's sending a meatball at you.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I beleive my exact words were "Mr. Glass" Cutler has gone down in 100% of his seasons with the Bears, Matt has gone down in 1 out of 4.

  • You think that has to do with his toughness and not the absolute fucking shellacking he was taking?

    99% of the QBs in the league would have been in a body bag after his first year here. And last year was only marginally better.

    That "Mr. Glass" shit is "pussy" with more letters in the alphabet utilized.

  • +1

  • The bottom line (pun intended) is that the NFL is a business. Has Matt Forte outperformed his rookie contract, and does he deserve fresh paper? Of course he does, just look at the numbers. Do the Bears have a business to run, a roster to fill and the right to use the franchise tag to do both? Of course, even if players don't like it.

    At the end if the day, Matt is better off with the Bears and the Bears are better off with Matt. They'll find a way to get this done, but probably not before a whole bunch of drama and dirty laundry aired out.. And if they can't, I'll be shocked.

  • In reply to Shady:

    (in cartman voice)

    awwww cumbaya shady, now get online so I can light you up.

    God damn hippies!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Scanning. For. Mexicans. Doo doo doo.

  • Disappointing tweet, to be sure.

    Pro athletes should not tweet as they invariably just look silly, or worse.

    The ratio of BAD to GOOD from tweeting must be AT LEAST 4 or 5 to 1 in favor of BAD.

    Much as Mario Williams would have looked nice opposite Peppers on the d-line, given a choice I have to prefer grabbing up Marshall & Bush. Improving your offense improves your defense by default.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    as evidenced by the green bay packers making eli manning look like todd collins in the playoffs last year.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Completely agree with the 1st part of your post, celebrities and social media can be a lethal combination? Remember the good 'OL days before twitter and Facebook, when you could imagine your favorite athlete or movie star in whatever light you wanted? Social media has become so ingrained into business and marketing, agents and publicists have to actively manage their client's behavior on the inter webs. Sorta makes me glad I'm not a celebrity.

  • Lost in all this:

    We got Mike Bush. When McFadden went down (he's highly prone to do that) Bush was a fantasy sleeper. He's a good goal line back, and in my opinion, an uptick over Barber.

    I could, however, see a Bush, Barber, Bell Triple B line up, if Forte just decides to hold out on the season.

    So could Matt, I'm guessing. He should think long and hard about how Olin chose to play the cards.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    One follow-up:

    Nobody in Triple-B has Matt's breakaway sideline speed. Nobody can get around the corner like Forte can. Just wanted to clear that up.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Gotta agree on both posts. Forte has not once said he would hold out. Why would he? $7.7 mil vs $0. Not to mention he could get tagged the following 2 years. All he's ever said was that he would be hard to find in the offseason. Not a big deal.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    It's worse than $0 - it's minus -$30k a day until he shows up.
    It could be $8 mil vs. -$500k by the time camp is over.

    He can't possibly be that stupid.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Who doesn't like Muff? But there is no debate about who is the better RB. Forte is much more valuable to an offense than Bush.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Exactly. I was scanning over the posts/numbers after a measly four hours sleep ..... and all I could think was "we got Marshall, Campbell and Bush - yay!"

    No matter what happens with Forte we have the KIller Bs. Letting him sit out for a year does us no good though, two seconds is a fair price and that can help a lot. And we'll workaround your follow-up.

    Leaving 12M on the table leads one to believe his agent has lost the plot.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Barber?

    To Paraphrase Clemenza's comment when Sonny asks about about the ill-fated "Paulie":

    "Barber? Oh, you won't see him around no more."

    Barber's new name on the Bears is "Cap Space."

  • Here's some Irish music to your ears

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfl3P9WxbYc

  • Does Basarki (sp) have any other clients besides Forte? Realistically, if management hasn't ponied up 17 mil guaranteed as of yet, the agent certainly isn't doing Forte a disservice. He'd be making exactly that much if the front office slapped the tag on him twice. Public opinion is now weighed against him based off his tweet but in all reality everyone is playing this the right way. Basarki has shown he won't take a lowball contract for his client. Forte is making 17 mil guaranteed over the next two years no matter what, by not signing and Emery refuses to handcuff his front office, at the same time ensuring that Forte runs angry for the next two years! Don't pay attention to all the ancillary crap and Bear Down!

  • In reply to bears5003:

    very good points, 7.7 mil this season & 9.x next if they franchise him both years.....

  • This is a re-post, but this whole Bush scenario makes it relevant again.

    Heard a very interesting point on The Score.

    You can pay for an elite QB
    You can pay for an elite HB
    But you CAN'T pay for both.

    Name one team who does?
    It's almost an either/or choice.

    The Ravens have Flacco/Rice, but Rice is franchised.
    The Eagles have Vick/McCoy but McCoy isn't getting paid big yet.
    Texans have Schaub/Foster, but Schaub isn't elite?
    Rams have Bradford/Jackson, but look how horrible they are.

    AP is on team with a mediocre QB. Same with CJ. Same with MJD.

    Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Peyton (all undeniably elite) never really had/have an elite hb.

    When Edgerin James demanded $, the Colts let him go to the Cards and invested that $ in Peyton and their DEs.

    The Pats may do the same with Ben Jarvis (depending on how much he demands). Update. Pats let BJE walk.

    Cutler's due for a new contract. The Bears are going to have to make a tough choice in the near future.

    Update: I think Emery just decided.

  • OK, I dug up another Butch archive. I'll re-post this, then shut the hell up.

    I think it's sad that HBs got so devalued by the NFL rules. I LOVE watching HBs, always have. Maybe that's cuz as a Bears fan, we've had the Galloping Horse, the Kansas Comet, Sweetness, and have just learned to favor that position. To me, there's nothing more exciting than watching a RB like Sweetness or Bo or Sanders just do their thing. I must have watched that Marshawn Lynch run like 20 times.

    However, we have to look at what the NFL is today. Most teams who have paid their HBs have done so to sell tickets more than to win SBs.
    Rams paid Steven Jackson cuz he was their only star. Minny, Titans, Panthers ditto.
    I'm not saying a good back won't get teams far in the modern era, but it seems like they get their respective teams to the Championship Game or lose in SBs. Those are just the facts. I want a SB Hat not a NFC Championship hat.

    So we have to determine if a correlation between SBs and PB HBs exists b4 we shell out 30 mil guaranteed. In addition, most fans admit that our window is about 2 years with this group, which Forte can be tagged in.

    I can only hope if we resign Forte to a mega-deal that we buck the trend, but he'd be the first PB HB to win the SB since, who?

    Exactly.

  • Butch, not to put too fine of a point on it but Grange was the Galloping Ghost. I didn't want to be THAT GUY the first time you posted it but the second time I couldn't resist.

    I still think there is room to compromise on the contract. Also, I get the feeling Cutler will be willing to structure his contract to help out with the salcap. Not to mention in 2014 the salcap goes way up due to the new TV contracts.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Galloping Ghost, Red Grange, IS correct.

    There was ALSO the "GALLOPIN' GAL" AKA Wille Gallimore whose career and life were tragically cut short in a car wreck (which also killed receiver Bo Farrington) after the '63 Championship season.

  • Sources say the Browns, Patriots, and Bucs have asked for what the Bears want in return for Forte

  • Bears are not intrested yet but that could change. Browns really want him.

  • Haha now that's some leverage. "You dont want to sign? Fine. Enjoy playing with colt mccoy."

  • In reply to evantonio:

    McCoy is fine.

    It's "enjoy CLEVELAND"

    Because Cleveland, most assuredly, does NOT rock.

  • If they mortgage their draft on Forte, and by that I mean give up the #4 pick...whooooheeeeeee.....that changes things a little. That becomes a very, very tough trade to ignore. But I cannot believe for a second that Cleveland is that crazy.

    And it guarantees that I would be completely obliterated by the time the draft party starts, because then all bets are off.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    If the Browns over the 4th pick overall for Forte, then you take it.

    It would be crazy not to.

    Barron or Richardson would be the only decision, and I think we would take Barron.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Or put Quentin Coples with Peppers. Look out.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    One mock draft had Coples, somehow (?!?!), falling to us at 19.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Coples could drop, but down to 19 might be a little far.I think the Bills were projected to take him, but now that they signed Mark Anderson that they will draft in a different dirrection now. so, maybe.

  • In reply to JWilson:

    Would be awesome though!

  • In reply to JWilson:

    Coples would be a freaking coup.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    In pipe dreams, Quentin Coples or Kalil if he´s aviable

  • In reply to gpldan:

    At #4??

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    For a safety?!

    This is all crazy talk anyway; why the hell would the Browns trade for Forte with Richardson sitting there?
    Doesn't make any sense.
    The only thing that would make mediocre sense is for them to do it if they're wanting to offer their low first rounder plus something else, and then take somebody like Blackmon at 4.
    Which, again, doesn't make sense to me because they should have either Floyd or Hill sitting there waiting for them when they pick at 22...

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Yup, if the Browns get Forte it's still just two seconds, nobody's giving up a first - is anyone that desperate for a running back? Is it even possible to be desperate for a running back?

    But no one is giving up a top ten pick for Forte.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    #4 for us would be either Blackmon, Reiff, Clayborne or Poe. I don't know that there is any player at #3 that would make trading Forte a good decision (even if Matt Khalil was there). If you want to draft Richardson, you're basically trading security (say a top 5 RB) for risk (someone you hope is a top 5 RB) and saving $7 million in cap space that you don't need now that big $$$ FA is over... not exactly a good buy.

    I'd be tempted to take Cleveland's other first rounder (#22), plus their second rounder (#37). With those two picks plus our first, we could likely get a tackle (Martin), a DE (Vinny Curry) and a guard (Kelechi Osemele). Second and third could go to WR (pick your poison) and DB.

    The combination of Bush, Barber (yes he would stay) and Bell would be the new law firm. Its a good plan, but the running game suffers a lot, which makes the Tice promotion look strange.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    That was my argument for about 2-3 weeks of this...known commodity at $8mil per...and if he gets injured, well, them's the breaks. Cut strings and walk away.
    My understanding is the #4 pick would get something like $20 mil guaranteed on a 4 year deal.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    Where's the risk with Richardson? He's blue-chip isn't he? Matt's got some miles on the clock and a couple of knee injuries. He's not much use up the middle either. I'd take a Richardson over mileage Matt in a second. Especially since he's become a tweeting whiner ... that was just not a smart thing to do, the Bears don't play that game. He's gone.

  • Short answer Irish. You just never know.

    Richardson is considered a legit prospect, but he's never played a snap in the NFL. He could be a very good running back... like Marion Barber is a very good running back. Or he could be special. Its impossible to tell until you put the guy on the field in a real game against NFL level defenses.

    If you need more convincing... think Curtis Enis (a Bears bust) or any of the other 24 guys on this list, several of whom went in the top 10 or even top 5.

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/640292-nfl-draft-history-top-25-running-back-busts-of-all-time#/articles/640292-nfl-draft-history-top-25-running-back-busts-of-all-time/page/23

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I don't think the Browns would give up the 4th overall pick for double duece, but let's say they were illing to give up thier 22nd overall pick (from ATL), would you do it?

  • In reply to Shady:

    FUCK no.

    Nope.

    Nada.

    He has no leverage. No reason to do it.

    Now, if Cincy came calling with both of their low firsts...I'd think real hard about it. Depending on when it was executed, that would be phenomenal leverage for this draft and maybe beyond, particularly because it would give the Bears a ton of weight in the middle of the round, putting pressure on other teams picking just before and after.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    SMH that I'm even talking about it.

    Ain't happening.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    More likely than Browns giving up their #4.

  • In reply to Shady:

    True.

  • In reply to Shady:

    Agreed - however, I don't see why the Bears would even entertain anything less. Forte has zero leverage, and if he wants to sit, he's going to feel it very quickly.

  • In reply to Shady:

    Which would be Richardson in the bag.

  • In reply to Shady:

    No.

  • we are busy strenghthening our team.......
    depth and the quality of it
    have been a consistent mantra
    by alot of the poster-boys here
    we do not need to lose proven talent
    for the "two in the Bush"
    if all of these additions were
    offered to us as a free agency package
    before the bidding started
    most of us would be saying
    bring it on
    we can live handsomely with that.......
    we are solid and deep
    lets keep going and secure some
    line assistance---linbacker assistance
    and then build on this depth in the next few years
    so far we have the looks of a team that will
    answer the bell for at least the next 3 years

  • Bidding war - yes!!

  • Artoo, what is the source of that info on trade inquiries for Forte by CLE, NE, & TB?

    If it's the site linked by YourBoyRoy, I'd take it with a grain of salt.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    Btw, if the site is the one mentioned in the tweet by YourBoyRoy, you should have noted that he prefaced the tweet with "FWIW" and ended it with "You be the judge."

    The site is a gambling site. Subscribers pay for sports picks. Some say it's a scam:

    http://forum.sbrforum.com/service-plays/1176107-randizzle14.html

    http://twitter.com/#!/RandizleExposed

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    It's a source that I want to see is true. Not there.

  • every athlete worth his salt
    should study up
    on accountancy/finance
    lose the hangers on/agents
    study previous contract negotiations
    and all their wormholes
    then get in the office
    and be a man
    Lombardi yelled at Taylor. Taylor yelled at Lombardi. Spit flew. Real, honest-to-goodness spittle from one man onto the other, faces 10 inches apart; and fists clenched.

    Both sides have embarrassed themselves
    in this financial drama
    you can always say more
    about what has already been said
    if Forte looses the parasitic agent
    the little voices in his head
    go away ....and......
    he eats the whole pie alone

  • In reply to huntinbare:

    the little voices in his head
    go away ....and......
    he eats the whole pie alone

    Is this similar to, "it puts the lotion on or it gets the hose again?"

  • In reply to gpldan:

    now that is funny
    and sick
    all rolled into one
    but please
    not the hose again
    I hate the hose

  • In reply to huntinbare:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2bWfxS7W9s

  • In reply to huntinbare:

    Athletes have enough to worry about on the field, they shouldn't have to worry about drawing up a highly complex NFL contract for themselves. While it would be nice if they could handle both, these guys spent more time honing their football skills on the field then they did their legal skills in the classroom. It is, however, up to the athlete to hire the right agent...

  • In reply to Shady:

    yepper
    but alot of what I write
    is sarcasm
    by going back to Taylor
    who was one of the first
    to face players getting more
    for future production
    rather than past production
    I point out that nothing has changed
    just that now we have middle men
    who take their cut
    creating wealth from negotiation
    because the system has gotten
    complicated
    and it now needs a "more educated"
    middle man
    than just a "strong armed" wise guy
    to me it's all bullshit
    and I don't really care for
    the creation of wealth through language

  • In reply to huntinbare:

    That would rule out all lawyers and politicians. A better world?

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5j8Jioan1w

  • Repost of mine (since we're doing that today I guess):

    Thinking about the Matt Forte contract. The Bears have the cap space to remove a major question mark going forward. Let's look at the numbers...

    Previous year contracts now considered over-priced:

    Adrian Peterson - 7 years, $96M, $36M guaranteed; yearly average of $13M. In reality, only gets around $8M per year in 2011 and 2012 and around $11.5M in 2013 and 2014.

    CJ2K - 6 years (after 4 year extension), $56M, mostly guaranteed by the year (each year guaranteed at the start of the year if he isn't cut almost immediately). Yearly average of $9.3M, but $13M came as a signing bonus at the start of 2011. Really makes $8M in 2012, $10M in 2013, $8M in 2014 and 2015.

    This year's contracts (present RB market):

    Arian Foster - 5 years, $43.5M, $20.75 guaranteed. Will earn $18M in 2012 and $30M total in first three years. Yearly average of $8.5M

    Marshawn Lynch – 4 years, $31M, $17M guaranteed. Includes $6M signing bonus and all of year 1 and 2 salaries guaranteed. Yearly average of $7.9M

    Ray Rice – Franchised.

    So things I’m noticing:

    1) The average salary is still floating around $8-9M. While AP has a much higher minimum, that's due to big money on the back side (which he may never see if his production drops off). Forte's contract will also be in that range when signed. Maybe slightly higher than the tag, but just slightly. There will, however, be a bonus.

    2) This year's contracts are not paying that much less, but they are shorter. With the exception of AP, old and new generally get cheaper over time rather than pricier.

    3) Foster and Lynch both got signing bonuses that are obviously meant to cover for the low salaries they made in 2010 and 2011.

    With all of that in mind, I figure we can argue about where Forte falls in this group, but he should be looking for a similar deal. If I'm the Bears, I'd offer basically the Arian Foster deal. If I'm Forte, I'd take it as the signing bonus is huge.

    If Forte wants more money than Foster (basically if he wants to be paid like AP), I would explain to him that he'll get a deal like AP or CJ2K. There will be a modest signing bonus (say $12M this year instead of the $7.7 in tag money), but that most of the big money will be on the back end. That he will make less than Foster in 2012-2014, and that we will have the right to cut him at the beginning of each season without paying anything.

    All the extra money that makes AP's agent so much more popular than Lynch's will be an illusion.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    If I'm the Bears, I'd offer basically the Arian Foster deal. If I'm Forte, I'd take it as the signing bonus is huge.

    You would do that just to pay him off using non-cap money?

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    Posts like this make this blog great. Good food for thought. I would say though that 5 yrs is just too long. Mgmt has him by the balls, I'm afraid.

    You guys who think the 3Bs can do what 22 does are smoking or on residuals. Forte had the 2nd most 20+ yard runs (12) last year even sitting out the last few games (McCoy had 14).

    And Jeff, those games without Forte where you think no one noticed a dropoff? Be real; what I noticed Barber singlehandedly crapping on our playoff hopes. Although who among us actually thought he could carry us into the playoffs? Seriously? Give me a fucking break you guys with the trade talks.

    Forte is a 2nd round diamond in the rough. You guys forget how shitty we'd have been in his rookie year had we not found him. Is it that hard to throw Angelo a bone and admit Forte was an act of GM genius?

  • Where did all of the SIGN FORTE commenters from last season go?

  • In reply to toph:

    SIGN FORTE!!!

  • In reply to toph:

    I think we're still here - we just put the emphasis on a different word...

    SIGN Forte.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    left out a comma...

    SIGN, Forte.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3435/3382615414_0e40b5fa02_m.jpg

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    hah!

  • In reply to toph:

    toph..we are right here...

    and still feel strongly on signing him but will never be the same...in small lettering

    sign forte....maybe in 3pt font size

  • In reply to toph:

    i am still here
    pay the man
    and cut the bullshit
    he is exciting
    Mgmnt. has had the better of him
    for 3 years running
    it is a bit lopsided
    and it is time to even the score

  • In reply to toph:

    Pay the man.

  • Yeah I've noticed my grammer and proof reading skills have gone down dramtically. Sorry folks, but deal with it.

  • In reply to Shady:

    Shady..I have a 3rd grade grammar level...what do you expect from me....hahahahahahahaha

  • Wow!? Double Deuce..really? you put on the Burnt Orange and Navy Blue not realizing what that stands for my friend. The tradition that dates back to the origins of the NFL.

    You have fans who live through you vicariously and remember the glory years when in HS, Jr. College, College and maybe even semi-pro, of what it might feel like to get paid at the game we played as young boys and young men. You cry poor and that we don't feel for you that the good guys never win. And no respect,

    Well Double Deuce there is a man..yes a simple man that played for the burnt orange and still carries the torch that represents what many feel is the true testament of a warrior, a class act one who represents a true view of a way to handle both emotional and the business side of the NFL. And yet during his tenure he never showed the side through actions of antics, threats and side door plays.

    Even on the largest stage when it was the lowest point in his career, never given the opportunity to be in the Lime Light and Score a touchdown In the Biggest Game and place that on his resume. He stood straight and understood his role as a BEAR, a Warrior, a simple man, even in the darkest region and not wanting to show his face to the Media that day after the game.

    HE SUCKED IT UP. STOOD STRAIGHT. AND REALIZED the BURNT ORANGE AND NAVY BLUE WAS BIGGER THAN HE.

    You my friend will never be he.
    You my friend could never carry his jock strap.
    You my friend now show your true colors and the are not Burnt Orange and Navy Blue.
    You my friend cower in his shadow.
    You my friend will never be he...... #34

    I understand the NFL is no longer the game it was from the past, and it is all about the money..especially in these times...

    here's a quote from one from the past
    "When is enough, enough?"

    hey R2...tweet this to ass....

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    That would rock his world too much.

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    You guys are so COMPLETELY FULL OF SHIT on this Forte stuff, and totally blind with respect to #34.

    "The Bears offered Payton a bonus of $126,000 as an incentive to join their team. It was the highest signing bonus ever offered to a college player at that time."

    "The Bears signed Payton to a three-year contract in 1978, with annual salaries approaching one-half million dollars. In 1983, he signed the highest contract in NFL history, with a $240,000 lifetime annuity."

    Payton was one of the highest paid players in the league. And in 1983, he at least once floated the notion of signing with the Chicago Blitz of the USFL before getting the aforementioned contract.

    Comparing Payton's situation to Forte's and calling Forte a whiner compared to Payton is both unfair and *factually incorrect*.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    But Walter didn't have a twitter account.
    And there is no real alternative league for him to play in now, whereas the USFL was viable and had big money to throw at players.

    Not sure what all that means, other than that the two situations are alike and yet very, very different.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I agree that they are very, very different. And that was my point about making the comparison. It apples and tai chi (oranges too much like apples to work here),

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    Yeah, I was just making observations...as per my last sentence. Totally, totally different situations but in some interesting ways. Could write a paper on it but I won't.

  • You know who I'm looking at if I'm Forte? I'm looking at Johnny Knox.

    Nobody is talking about giving Knox a big check in his get well cards. Even if Johnny comes back, he'll get no contract until he proves he's healthy again. If he injures himself again, maybe worse, he gets nothing.

    Forte is a lot less hurt than Knox right now. But if Knox comes back, I think Forte is still statistically more likely to be the one to get seriously hurt. No bounties, no bad line play, just football.

    If Forte goes down, he doesn't get paid and people say "that's football." No fans will write eloquent tributes to Sweetness asking Emery to pay him a severance check. He fades away, and that's football.

    I get the fan anger. We want our team to succeed, and Forte is a big part of that. But I also get Forte's reservation. This is the one part of the game where Forte has to look out for him, his family and nobody else.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    Well said.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    $14+m in the bank is a nice nest egg to fall back on if your football career peters out.

    you know what i'd do with $14m in the bank?

    2 chicks at once.

  • In reply to evantonio:

    Mwah!

    What I don't get is people saying "sign him already" ... isn't that what the Bears have been trying to do for a year? Signing him means paying him 15M a year. Fuck that.

    Do we have any other means of moving the ball 4.5 YPA ? Yes, we do. In spades.

    Do we have backs capable of catching balls? Yes, we do.

    Do we have better options in the pass-blocking and north-south running game? Yes, we do.

  • It's not $15 mil a year, really. He wants guaranteed money upwards of that (like in the $20mil range), but that money is usually spread across multiple years. In his case, it would probably be $17 mil guaranteed with some of that up front, some as roster bonuses in upcoming years, and more in incentives.

    It's still a shitload of money.

  • Yeah but we need them all in 1 guy, Irish. You don't catch checkdowns unless you can be counted on to block first.

  • In reply to evantonio:

    Ultimate Office Space drop. +10

  • In reply to gpldan:

    thanks for noticing :)

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    NBIT...the point is "he is getting paid" that's what a tag does for you. you get paid..oh btw..almost 8mil.

    now don't get me wrong I still fell......... PAY THE MAN!!!!

    I just feel going to tweet or blog any social media is useless...get your ass in the GM..office and ask man to man...

    "WHERE ARE WE WITH THIS"? the easiest to the finish line..is a straight line...now my understand and don't get me wrong, I have no idea what is happening behind close doors, but if you don't feel you are getting any love..ASKED TO BE FUCKING TRADED..........these athletes do it all the time...ask are newest member Brandon Marshal!!

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    I totally get that $8 million is a lot of money. But you don't go into business to get "a lot of money." You get into business to maximize your investment. Specifically here, Forte wants to get more than one year of work guaranteed. Foster got $18M guaranteed and the possibility of earning $30+. When you look at it in those terms, if Forte takes $8M and gets hurt, he looks like an idiot.

    Forte is looking to maximize his investment any way he can. That means the most money with the least risk. Emery is the same, he wants to pay the least money with the least risk. Its business.

    All this facebook stuff is just leverage. Forte is gambling that public opinion will work in his favor. Emery is gambling that it will work best to stay quiet. If Emery goes public with each offer he makes then he screws up all kinds of other negotiations (such as other player contracts, trade talks, future FA deals).

    If you ask me, Forte would do well to be a bit less negative in the way he goes public. But if he wants media attention, he's got it.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    this would get really fun if the bears took to twitter.

    "forte wants to get PAID? did you fans know he was cleared to play the last 2 games of the season but opted to mope on the bench."

    this whole athletes-on-social-media thing is really only giving us half the fun it should...

  • In reply to evantonio:

    Its funny, but that is exactly what happened in Indy between Peyton and Indy. Owner on twitter equals good day for the press.

  • In reply to evantonio:

    Wow, what an asshole statement. Again.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    please. do go on. what's so asshole about wanting to hear ownership's side of the story?

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    Family is important. Cleveland can pay for it. We don't need to pay him silly money now. Two seconds - perhaps - and 8m more to spend? Yes please.

  • IRISH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    If Forte was so worried about his future, he should have signed the contract on the table that guaranteed him at least 12M.

    When someone puts all their chips on black - I don't feel badly when red comes up.

  • @MB30SD Took this into this next thread to ensure that you saw this:

    I have for years watched you be a super-cunt on this blog to people who occasionally rear their faces to offer an opinion.

    You say a lot of stupid shit and it's whatever but then you act like I'm not a Bears fan because I have an affinity for two QBs who came out of Denver. I've already explained why that is and I don't need to get into it to satiate some Douche Bag that refuses to change his mind anyway.

    But as usual, you have no fucking idea what you're talking about. I almost cried when ChiTown lost in 06-it was one of the worst days of my life.

    But you all bitch and wonder why people are stuck on ChicagoNow's format. Maybe because there are assholes that piss people off to the extent that nobody wants to be here.

  • In reply to A7Xthebest:

    "But you all bitch and wonder why people are stuck on ChicagoNow's format. Maybe because there are assholes that piss people off to the extent that nobody wants to be here."

    I get the part about being pissed at MB. I don't get the last paragraph. The reason we're on Chicago Now is due to Jeff. It's his choice and his choice only. It has nothing to do with any of us.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Oh waaaa dude.

    Get over yourself man, seriously.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Sorry canada, that was for a7... Damn phone.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Very nice. Very good retort. Way to own up.

    Here's a comparable one:

    I'm the rubbar you're the glue...

  • In reply to A7Xthebest:

    i don't get it. on the last thread you called jeff out for his poor spelling and grammar, and then you show up here spelling rubber with an "A." what gives?

  • In reply to evantonio:

    I called Jeff out because he was calling other people morons while at the same type misspelling things in his blog that he presumably proof-reads.

    I wasn't sitting on an intelligence high-horse when I made that mistake.

  • In reply to A7Xthebest:

    It's twitter - anything other than random letters and numbers is considered fair game.
    You know you ain't leaving us, homeslice.

  • In reply to A7Xthebest:

    Tro-jan Maaaaan.

  • In reply to A7Xthebest:

    I'm intruiged by the term super cunt. Tell me more please! Is it like a cunt, but with super powers? What are these supercunt powers?

  • And where the hell do I find one???

  • "No changies."

  • Hope everything gets settled soon. This is exactly why I wanted Toblert instead of Bush. Knew this clusterfu%k would emerge. Ppl began thinking Hester was gone when we singed Weems!

    Anyhow, if the Browns are interested, we'd be lucky to get their later pick.

    Hopefully it doesn't come to that. This distraction is already softening my preseason Bears boner; I can imagine how it's going to disrupt the locker room.

    If Forte doesn't sign by the draft, then I think we gotta trade. I don't feel like hearing "pay the man" after the draft. I want to bask in the new studs Emery picks unfettered.

  • I hope football doesn't turn into baseball. I quit following baseball in the early 90's because half the articles dealt with contract talks and not the sport. Most of the football headlines this time of year deal with the same crap. I think I'll turn my attention on future posts until the draft to the Fed and music and fishing.
    I'll make one observation about this Forte contract crap. If he didn't know what everyone else was making, he would be ecstatic about the contract offer. People have unrealistic expectations of their worth in the job market and envy and status get in the way.
    Human nature is fucked up. For example, I run a business where I easily pay far higher wages than any competitor in my area, give more perks and benefits, and dole out very generous bonuses at the end of the year. I never have to advertise for new employees. Instead of being happy about being the highest paid workers in the area, I still get grief from employees because they think someone is getting special treatment or making more than them when they believe they are working harder or perceive they are making me more money. When my profits decreased the last two years, I decreased bonuses and eliminated them for some people. I actually had a few employees tell me the bonuses were insults. To resolve the problem, I instituted a permanent no-bonus policy and took away all the special perks.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    Honestly, the only way Football becomes like Baseball or Basketball is when we start to add more games.

    That is why I don't want more games.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    Well said. People will always bitch and moan, no matter what. Especially in the land of plenty. They did a long study that found after about $50,000 a year people don't get any happier. The old adage (is there one?) that more money makes you a better worker or gives you more job satisfaction isn't true. Incentives don't work after fifty grand.

    How many running backs get paid 15M a year? Forte thinks he's elite? With three rushing TDs last year. Here's the kicker - maybe he is worth that much ... just not to us. Our backfield is good now. Marshall's a stud. I'll happily turn Forte into picks and save 8-15M a year. Vaya con Dios Matt.

  • Posted this above as a response to Irish and why even top level college talent is risky. But I just thought this bit about a back named Joe Profit (drafted 1971) was hillarious.

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/640292-nfl-draft-history-top-25-running-back-busts-of-all-time#/articles/640292-nfl-draft-history-top-25-running-back-busts-of-all-time/page/15

    Joe Profit was taken with the seventh overall pick in the 1971 NFL Draft by the Atlanta Falcons.

    He went on to gain 473 yards and score three touchdowns in three NFL seasons.

    That means Mr. Profit is a draft bust of enormous proportions.

    Tragically, I don't think he ever fully got over this disappointment. After his three-year NFL career, Profit had a successful career in the information technology industry.

    He also served on the FCC, White House Small Business Advisory committee and several other federal commission organizations that if I don't speak well of will make my words disappear.

    In a particular time of darkness and weakness for Mr. Profit, he was appointed to the Internal Trade Commission by President Ronald Reagan.

    You just hate to see people waste their lives like this.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    Goes to show, everything is a crap-shoot.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    Very funny

  • I don't like talking about contracts either Fifth. Like you, I also stopped watching baseball for the same reason in the 90s (well, that and the Bulls lol).

    So, I'm going to try to get us back to our regularly scheduled program of draft talk.

    I know Oline is a big issue with a lot of us, and this link ranks them by tiers with a brief synopsis.

    Like I said, LTs don't grow on trees, but maybe Tice is eying a few of these guys.

    OTs

  • i just found that site
    a month ago
    they have interesting analysis on each players capabilities
    can one trust their opinions?

  • In reply to huntinbare:

    yeah huntin

    They're pretty solid. Chicago's own Matt Bowen esp does a lot of Xs and Os.

    The draft gurus are still McShay, Kiper and that NFL network guy, but Wes on National Football post is pretty solid too. More importantly, he evaluates a shit load of prospects, so it's a good way to look someone up if you hear a name.

  • Somethings just get to me. Growing up, I love watching Urlacher play. The dude is a fucking machine and plays 100 mph.

    The idea of him retiring soon is starting to creep into my brain. The idea that last year was his last year lingers in my brain. The idea that he might not win a Superbowl while playing for Chicago is really likely.

    I don't know how you guys did it with Walter. I don't know how you did it with any of the legends or players you could watch play for the rest of your life.

    I don't mind Forte wanting to feel or get paid for what he think he is worth. I understand it is an business and it is all about "what can you do for me?"

    Why does everyone have to make millions on top of millions of dollars? I could be set for life if I had a million dollars. I could literally make sure everyone in my family was taken care of and all kinds of other things.

    Why does a human being need 20 million guaranteed and more?

  • I make about $1200 a month Artoo. I need to be making about $2000 just to meet the family's running costs. No pension, no savings, just an overdraft. So - regardless of 'market values' and 'accelerators' and all this financial jargon floating around - when Forte turns his nose up at 8 million dollars a year ... and then 12 million wasn't enough for him. TWELVE MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR .... and I'm sitting there looking at my twins wondering how I'm going to put them through kindergarten, it pisses me off no end. Not content with being a multi millionaire he feels it necessary to resort to Twitter to play 'poor little old me' .

    If you're reading this MAtt, or it falls into y

  • ... well let's just say it end with ....

    Fuck you Matt. I don't know what your circumstances were growing up son, but you need a serious dose of reality

  • Looks like envy speaking.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    Envy? No. I don't want 7M a year, I just want $2000 a month and not have to hear about those for whom 583K a month isn't enough.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    Ultra-capitalist Dave? People who command millions deserve it, and people who work even harder for buttons .. .deserve it?

  • But of course, that was the whole point of the Rand discussion we had a month or two ago.

  • By definition, Irish, that you and I are worth exactly what we get. That's the way the world works.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    I should not post after drinking, as my grammar suffers so terribly.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    My worth as a human being is not my compensation. My worth as a worker in a capitalist system is my compensation.

    I don't get the two mixed up.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    we get it. you want to wax matt's knob.

  • In reply to evantonio:

    What I want is a happy Matt Forte on the roster, your voyeuristic fantasies notwithstanding.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    not voyeuristic for personal pleasure. i assure you, it's purely for selling the footage to tmz. or phil donahue - he could use a break.

  • True....people are hustling to keep food on the table and this fool is pissing and moaning that he isn't getting paid and is 'disrespected.' Does he care that the people that are paying to see him play, that buy his jerseys, etc. some have to save up month to afford a ticket just to sit in the nose bleeds and watch his crying ass play?! I understand he wants long-term security, but wasn't he offered a contract last year that he did not sign? So don't bitch about long-term when you already were offered that security and you turned it down. Hell, I could go to work tomorrow, get fired, and the only thing I have as far as security is what I have invested. Given I am not getting slammed by 300 lb guys, but I am also not making $ 7.7m to workout and play a game I supposedly love...Don't be Sally Struthers (sp?) and go into a third world country inhaling Big Macs and expect the natives to feel sorry you are not eating steak.

  • In reply to 505 Bears!!:

    Exactly. Who gets long term security outside of football. 'A job for life' ... those days are long gone.

  • Exactly the reason he should be going for the most he can get. As should we all.

    Our problem is, of course, is that *our* product (hell, half of us put together) is not worth Matt's,

    You don't have to like it, but these guys are worth more than we are.... way more.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    Until, as with some other failed sports league, the viewers decide to spend their money elsewhere. He produces zero beyond the fleeting entertainment of his athletic endeavors and when we bore of them, well, at least he'll have some cash to figure out what to really do with his life.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    i think it's safe to say football is safe for the next little while.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Did you used to run MLB or the NBA? Or perhaps professional boxing?
    Because I fucking guarantee you they had the same belief that you just expressed. And all of those professional sports leagues sat on a fucking bag of dicks when they thought they had the world by the balls, but please do tell. I'd love to hear how there's no possible way that the public would turn on the NFL.

  • It was gratifying waving goodbye to Walter with a big silver trophy sitting in Halas Hall Artoo. I imagine the same with be true when we waive goodbye to Brian should the Bears win one this year as well.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    +1 trac......

    but in the back of my mind I still wish he would of scored in the SB...but I shed a tear that day because of what I realized was happening and I know many at the field did the same.

  • Wow, I actually logged in to say that there's a lot of animosity on here .... and it transmogrified into me telling our starting running back to go fuck himself. Anyway, fans are just knocking the ball back and forth across the net about what to do - there's no need to crucify each other for having different opinions about that. But no matter what happens, we got a lot better as a team since Emery took over and that asshole left the building.

    Short 'n' curlies? We're all Bears fans here - except Cheesedick - and we finally have a team - unfinished as yet - to be proud of and excited about.

    It's nice to be nice.

    Bear down brothers.

  • So Da BlogFadder weighed in? Bout time.

    Ahem....taps glass...

    1. Bitchin about 8 million is ridiculous. There's only room on the team for one ridiculous player. he he.
    2. Emery's signing of Bush is probably bigger than most people realize. He's a playmaker and Phil Emery is doing in one offseason what Angelee failed to do in 3 since trading for Cutty, he's building a "real" team.
    3. The franchise tag is an insurance policy for both the player and the team. Talk about a win win situation if there ever was one.
    4. Forte's good but lets face it, alot of his numbers are a result of attrition due to a bad passing scheme over the last 3 years.
    5. Trading Forte more than likely only helps the Bears, not Forte. You don't want to play in Cleveland do you? You're not gonna win by forcing a trade Matt, sign the friggin contract.
    6. Rolling with running backs is a crap shoot and both the Bears and Forte have a stake in the game. Take the smart money Matt.
    7. Marshall's addition to the team will only help Matt and this signing will probably do more to extend Forte's shelf life than anything else the Bears do from here on out. If Forte settle's down, he'll realize this.
    8. Who was Carolina's QB when DeAngelo got the sick contract? What's his production been like since getting that sick contract? End of discussion.
    9. Forte was given a reasonable contract offer. His agent failed to find middle ground in getting the deal done. Find a new agent Matt.
    10. What Bear's fan doesn't like Matt Forte? You're good Matt but you're not the special kind of player that can write his own ticket. The sooner you realize this, the happier and the richer you'll be for it.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaxVwD-HvNU

    He takes a bow.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    I repet,
    PE, give me $500,000 a year, and I´ll run over everyone, even over Blog father...

  • As @caplannfl reported, #Bears special teams ace Corey Graham to sign with #Ravens

  • Corey Graham leaving. Oh well, he wanted to get playing time at corner and he is awful there. Great special terams player but not a huge loss IMO.

  • In reply to JAB1:

    Ravens love picking up our SP teamers I guess.

    Glad to see Corey land on a good team. Best of luck Corey.

  • Boy, we're having fun now!!!!!!

  • Forgive me for this preemptive strike. Please, no posts on Pat Robinson's ridiculous comment's as we all know he is an idiot. That is, everyone but him.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    He's from my new neck of the woods!
    And I beg to differ with your last statement: his special brand of bigotry is quite popular here and abroad. He's not just a lone voice in the wilderness - there are plenty of people who are just as stupid as he is.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Touch'e.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    I was referring to da blog when I said "we" though. Savy.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    Of all the things Pat Robertson has said over the years, the comments about Manning (which I assume are what you are referring to) don't really bother me. He's entitled to his opinion like any other football fan.

    What's stupid is the network that puts him on camera to say that stuff. Maybe they should ask him if he has a good recipe for leftover chicken as well.

  • IMHO this is one of the funniest, most enlightening attacks of the entire primary season. "If I can't have you, then no one can! Blargh blargh blargh".

    http://www.suntimes.com/news/elections/11477011-505/santorum-obama-better-than-etch-a-sketch-romney.html

  • I hate the idea of Forte leaving. Bush and Forte could be a great duo. I still think Forte's numbers are going to diminish next year mostly in the passing game. Martz was famous for getting the RB position gaudy numbers. I think the way Tice runs things we will be using the RB far less in the passing game. Don't get me wrong I still think Forte has value but I think some of you guys may be way over-valuing him now.
    I think Bush is exactly the back Tice was looking for, a bruiser that can run between the tackles and is dependable in short yardage situations. Forte is not an inside runner, he is an explosive outside runner with good vision. he is a terrible short yardage/goalline back though.

  • In reply to JAB1:

    agreed Jab, his numbers are going to plummet in the passing game. We won't need to make him such a lopsided chunk of the offense now that we have a number 1 top dog WR. Marshall catches 80+ balls a year and is a red zone destroyer. Our top WR caught 37 balls last year. that is fucked up.

    Forte is going to learn the hard way that when you have a shitty agent looking out for his own paycheck you get the result that is coming shortly.

    If he's smart he'll go in immediately and get 15.5 Mil guaranteed and the yearly salary a bit above the franchise tag and call it a day.

    However, he has proven that he is not in touch with his unique situation and his agent is not as savvy as he would like to think he is. They have no leverage and they don't even know it.

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    god assessment johnny. agree 100%. That agent is his is in his dome and is only trying to get as big a payday as he can.

    Change agents Matt, yours is a cancer to your career and future.

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    waffle..my previous post hit this...

    easiest way to the finish line..
    A STRAIGHT LINE!!!!

    man up go into the E-Train office and sit and fing talk....

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    Unfortunately for him Waffle he will continue to bitch his way out of Chicago. He will think he's worth at least $20 mil. guaranteed. He's going to screw himself though if he sits out. No pay and losing time accrued. Plus, if I were management and he wanted to whine I would franchise him again next year. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see him get paid but not at the cost of the team. I could see Cleveland offering their 22nd pick and maybe a 3rd or 4th rounder and personally I would jump on that. If Forte isn't willing to be resonable in his requests and continue to whine in public, screw him.

  • In reply to JAB1:

    "Martz was famous for getting the RB position gaudy numbers. I think the way Tice runs things we will be using the RB far less in the passing game." -- Jab

    Forte's receiving numbers didn't change much when Martz took over for Turner. If both Bush and Forte are Bears this season, and Tice doesn't use them in the passing game, he's as big an idiot as Martz. You gear your offense to the strengths of your players, not vice verse.

    Forte's receiving numbers will decrease this season because Cutler will have more and better receivers. But Forte's presence will increase overall receiving numbers. Forte is simply a very, very good receiving back. If he leaves, we will miss him.

  • Doc, this is for you: http://uncrate.com/stuff/the-official-high-times-cannabis-cookbook/

    Where you been maings? Come back, we miss you.

  • this is for corm and canada... pretty cool: http://uncrate.com/stuff/marshall-amp-fridge/

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    damn it why that beer?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Cool Fridge. Butt Wiper is donkey piss.

  • Interesting times boys and girls

    1. when we are frustrated in the events of #22 Bear ..How dare you ask for more $$

    2. no excitement with the loss of #21Bear he wants to start and we can't offer that

    3.The Bungles release of a previous Bear CB #32...

    but the bottom line on this kids.....

    It's nothing personal, it's just good business

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHSBZc8Mp0Y

  • Good FA tracker if still interested: http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/fa?&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnfl%2ffa

  • Hey Double Deuce..this is what the fans are thinking of you right now:

    Ro-Roh
    http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/chi-120322-forte-poll,0,4991178,post.poll

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    Hey Matt, the wounds of a friend are sweeter than the kisses of your enemies.(Namely your agent)

    Sign the contract before Chicago forgets your name. Please.

  • Irish where do you get your numbers? Forte never asked for $15 mil/yr. That's bonus money people are talking about. The only part of the contract that's guaranteed.

    Sports agents typically get 3% on the contracts. I've read that numerous times.

    Now that most of you are pissed at Forte and think he's crap, be careful what you wish for. Yes part of his gaudy stats were due to our shitty WR's but did you see any of our other RB's catching a lot of passes? No you didn't because they aren't very good at it. Forte is a very talented RB with special skills. If he goes down the road a lot of you will realize this and whine about it.

    Michael Bush is a great signing but he's not going to replace Forte. He's a bruiser without top end speed. Fun to watch but all of those 20-40 yd runs that Forte had will be reduced by half. We need Forte. We aren't a better team without him.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    CB...you last paragraph first sentence says it all! the Bush signing is direct to the Barbarian.

    #22 I feel strongly about "PAY THE MAN"

    I have no qualms about that, but damn Double Deuce don't use the media or the fans in business negotiations..It just make you look like a junior high-school girl...and I know about this I HAVE ONE!!!! Trust me hormones and bitching and he said and she said..FUCK THAT #22

    GET YOUR ASS IN THE OFFICE LIKE A MAN AND TALK FACE TO FACE!!! NOW!!

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    Couldn't agree more Lobo. I just want him signed to a reasonable contract that both sides can live with.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    CB +! brah!!

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    canada, Bush can't replace Forte that is true but it is simply unreasonable for Forte to think that he is worth 20Mil guaranteed and top running back dollar yearly. Bears and him need to resolve this now. Lazy fucking agent can't get him a shoe contract or powerade or some shit to make up the rest?

    The Texans found out the hard way what happens when you have to pay a RB that kind of money. They lost 2 OL and their MLB.

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    Read the SI article that I posted below. If his #'s are correct the Bears offered $14 mil and Forte's agent asked for $20 mil. Doesn't it make sense that asking for 20 means you would take a little less? That would put him in the Marshawn Lynch contract territory. Surely Forte is as good as Marshawn Lynch.

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    Let's look at all the playoff teams that went to the conference finals.

    Pat's
    Raven's
    Frisco
    Giants

    Are there any 20 million dollar RB's amonst them?

    How bout the rest of the playoff field?

    Bronco's
    Texan's
    Steeler's
    Bengal's
    Packer's
    Lion's
    Falcon's
    Saint's

    Does anyone else see what I see? Not a 7.7 Million Dollar running back amongst them. Forget about it Matt, come back down to reality.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    You're forgetting that the Bears would have been in that mix if not for multiple injuries and other misfortunes. Shit, the Bears would have been there if not for the injury to Forte.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    Ahem......It all goes back to Cutty's injury.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    I agree with Crunch. We'd have made the playoffs with Forte IMO. Lost in the first round, no doubt, but we'd have won at least one more game.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    My point was supposed to be, in todays NFL, quality teams don't tie up too much money at the RB position.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    We only would have made the playoffs as a 10 win team as it turns out Dave. That means we would have had to win 2 more.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    I'll cede the notion then Trac; not sure Matt would have won us more than the Denver game.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    Yeah, so what. Cutty doesn't get injured, your playoff list looks a little different, except that Forte wasn't a 7.7 million dollar RB at the time. Neither was Ray Rice.

    And the Bears season would have survived the injury to Cutler had it not been for the injury to Forte.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    Arguably Johnny Knox ...

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    Trac, Ray Rice got tagged. Gore just signed a big money contract. Burner Turner is making big money. Foster just signed for big money. Might want to try a better argument.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Yeah sorry, the guaranteed figure was in my head. My bad. Actually, the more this sits with me, it would be nice to keep him somehow. I think we'll ein without him, but it would be nice to have that outside speed as a complement to the bangers. Unfortunately he's not helping his case any spouting out on Twitter what should be conversations with his wife.

    It's impossible to say if we're not a better without him until we see what players could be signed upon his trade, both through the draft picks he'd get and any FA signings we made using his salary.

  • for those who may have not understood what I was getting at here..in simple terms

    I liked it better when Forte let football define his Bears tenure more than finances.

    from:http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-spt-0323-haugh-bears-chicago--20120323,0,658565.column

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    In reply to lobotobear:

    David Haugh is tool. His main goal as a reporter is to slant everthing in the most controversial way possible. Jumping on the populist argument about "he should be happy to earn $X million" is pandering. He does it constantly to rile up the fan base. He is not unbiased. He is markedly biased in trying to make the Bears (Cubs, Bulls, Sox, Hawks) look bad.

    With all of that said, he occasionally is dead on and this is one of those times.

    It would be nice if when he is bad mouthing the Bears' organization, he he remembers that "Under Smith, the Bears have struck long-term, fair-market value deals with core players. Brian Urlacher. Jay Cutler. Lance Briggs. Charles Tillman. Devin Hester. Tommie Harris. Olin Kreutz."

  • In reply to Big Mike:

    Big Mike..agree

    he is an "Fing tool..but this time parts of the article actually made sense.

    nothing we all here have not said..but it is on a national platform aka trib..so the thoughts are all the same

    I just #22 is able to see this and not look through rose colored glass he's agent is handing to him.

    It's like looking into the mirror early in the morning thinking your Mr. Atlas and then blinking and realize you the Family Guy!!! hee hee

  • Here's a rather rational article about the situation.

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/jim_trotter/03/23/matt.forte/index.html?eref=sihp&sct=hp_wr_a2

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    the 2 years of franchise money is a tough argument considering the injury likelihood for RB's. Why pay someone 20 Mil when they could end their career in one game?

    Peppers, Cutler and Marshall are completely different situations as well as Briggs so I don't even know why they were mentioned.

  • fb_avatar
    In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    You know this, but I'll say it anyhow. The guarantee is how the team shows gratitude to the player. It impacts how the team is perceived around the league (see Matt Bowen article in today's Trib).

    To all of this I say c'mon Matt, get in on this. If the beloved do make this year what we all hope it can be, you want to be in on it. It's a path to immortality. Just ask any player that was on the team in '85.

  • In reply to Big Mike:

    Guaranteed money is a tough one. I know football is a tough sport, but we could all get messed up on the way to work. Nobody's going to pay our wages for years to come if we do. What makes football players special? Like Waffle said, would it be right to hand over 20M or whatever if he broke his pelvis in week one?

    Interesting times ahead, but all good.

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    Foster's contract is $18M guaranteed. Wouldn't be surprised if the tag numbers were a factor in picking that number.

  • fb_avatar
    In reply to CanadaBear:

    Canada Bear. Thanks for pointing out that article. Seems like they should simply be able to get in a room and get it done. That is in fact what is best for the team.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Great find, Canada.

    All you haters should read this:

    "The Chicago Tribune reported that last year Forte sought a contract that would guarantee him $20 million and average $8 million a year. If true, there's no plausible explanation for why the deal hasn't gotten done, considering he would get nearly that much in guarantees as a franchise player this year and next. As it is, the Bears have spent roughly $17.5 million over the past four seasons on Forte's backups, starting with Kevin Jones, then Chester Taylor and Marion Barber, and now Michael Bush, who on Thursday signed a four-year deal that includes $7 million in guarantees."

    and

    "Bush is a solid back, but he has never had to carry the load. When he did assume starting duties for the Raiders over the second half of last season, after Darren McFadden was lost for the year with a foot injury, he averaged fewer than 3.6 yards per carry in six of the final seven games, had just one carry longer than 15 yards and totaled three rushing scores."

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    SC..why did the deal never get done..????

    ask "The One We do not Speak His Name"

    I think E-Train is trying to cover all the bases as best as he can..I truly believe that E-Train will get it done. My gut says after the Draft this thing with #22 gets signed sealed and delivered. Unless his "F"ING Agent screws the pooch..ugh$$!@$$#!!!!!!

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    Who's hating ? It's a business. These guys are human chess pieces and they all have a value. It's not wrong to evaluate a player's worth to your team if traded.

    And how weak an argument is it saying that he averaged 3.6 YPC after McFadden went down. They had no QB!!! Palmer was only just back from a long break from football and didn't know the playbook or his team. Of course defenses are keying on Bush to the exclusion of the passing game.

    Why are we comparing Forte and Bush anyway? They're chalk and cheese.

    You can't copy and paste shit and have it justify a player as being lesser. Michael Bush is not lesser, he's different! The ONLY advantage Forte has over Bush is speed. Bush is a better north-south runner ... his hands are just as good, he's a better blocker, and he's harder to bring down. His career average is 4.2 YPC FWIW, no point in cherry-picking stats from a period when thye had no passing game. His average is 0.3 of a yard less than Forte's, big deal.

    Does Matt Forte have the market cornered on running 4 yards per carry? He's not even close. We're running in circles at this pointm we 're good no matter what happens here. I'm laughing my ass off at anyone thinking we go 6-10 because we traded Forte though.

    All Bear backs get compared to Sweetness like it or not. The closest he got to complaining was post Superbowl game, never about what level of millionaire he was. I can understand peole feeling sorry for him pre-Twitter whine ... but not now.

  • You can't copy and paste shit and have it justify a player as being lesser. Michael Bush is not lesser, he's different! The ONLY advantage Forte has over Bush is speed. Bush is a better north-south runner ... his hands are just as good, he's a better blocker, and he's harder to bring down.

    Completely untrue like all of your analysis Irish. Forte is 10x the back that Muff Muffman is.

  • The dude's kind of a couch potato. Read his Twitter. It's like fucking TV Guide. Get up and lose some a dat fat, big man. You're not in Oakland anymore.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    Check out his pics with Ali. Very nice (if you ignore da paunch).

  • But trading Forte could very well be the difference between a ring and no ring. You don't do it unless you are pretty fucking sure that you're going to make up for his loss. And I see no reasonable way for that to happen, because all the trade talk is pure hash pipe.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Damn, fucking spot on!

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    why would anybody
    talk football over a hash-pipe
    i prefer the esoteric
    at that time
    just sayin'

  • One last thing about Forte not being a short yardage back. I agree, he isn't. However, part of that is due to our shitty OL. The Barbarian was able to punch it in a few times but he failed a few times. Our FB's have been hopeless in those situations. Martz and Turner seemed to feel like a little misdirection was against the rules.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    I get your staunch defense of 22 canada, but matty is terrible at SY/GL. Def not his forte (yeah, I know).

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    MB..you mad genius on words...hahahahahahaha

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Forte isn't a power runner, so what. Not many power runners have his moves, acceleration, vision, and hands.

    Not many can be the threat that Forte is as a short yardage receiver in the endzone. I love the idea of having Cutler, Forte, Bush, Bennet, and Marshall on the 2 yard line. Defenses won't know what the fuck to do.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    100%. I wasn't refuting any of that.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I know. I was going to post the comment as a reply to Canada but I hate when I reply to the mother comment and it gets pushed further and further south down the thread like the other piece of bread on a Dagwood sandwich.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    That's the one scary thing if we manage to keep Matt. Before every snap, especially in the red zone, defenses will be looking at each other going 'WTF?'

    Bush AND Forte in the backfield, both flare out wide. Davis is there at 6'7, Optimus out wide .. and Cutty is mobile!

    Sadly for Matt's biggest fans, if you swap Clutts into that scenario for Forte, especially closer to the redzone, then it's arguably even more frightening for opposing defenses. I honestly think we win either way.

    If he stays or goes it's win-win.

    I'm only leaning on the side of the trade because of what improvements we could make elsewhere - Angelo has left us with holes to fix. Nobody would be jumping up and down in ecstacy if he goes ... but if we get better as a whole, then so be it.

  • With Bush and Clutts, you lose Forte's speed on the outside, and his hands. It will be more frightening for opposing defenses to have to worry about that plus Bush up the middle or fakes to Bush up the middle than Bush and/or Clutts up the middle.

    Did you know that Bush was a QB? Hee Hee.

  • as an offense
    i prefer running plays
    against the
    WTF defense
    the more weapons
    and we now
    do have the weapons
    the more subterfuge

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    I have a feeling Tice and 260lb Clutts - whether as carrier or blocker - will clean up the goal-line stuff. Not to mention our 6'7 TEs and a certain Optimus Prime.

    Our offense appears to be sorted out to win and control the clock now. It's the defense that worries me. We don't even have a full complement of LBs never mind a backup for Brian. There's no real threat opposite Peppers to get us that push. Top DE is really the only way to go, becausae I don't see any top options left in FA at the position. As has been touted many times, DBs become less of a problem if the line is in his face. Lac is pretty good at scooping those balls!

    If nothing sexy is there at 19 I wouldn't be surprised if Emery trades down. I almost hope he does - we're more likely to draft decent players with Angelo's ego out of the way.

  • tice's teams use the TE
    you just watch
    our TE will blossom next year
    and everyone will be sayin
    who the---what the---
    how the----why the
    mother f----n' bears

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    face it. our short yardage game left town when we lost the ron turner FB dive.

    HA!

  • There is no doubt that Forte has to be on this team. i don't want him to leave but when a player does well you can't just bend over and allow him to plow you endlessly in your anus. He is a really good player and needs to be paid like one. he does not, however, need to be given one of the ludicrous contracts that the other teams, who regret having done it, have thrown out there.

    He will play regardless but it would be nice if he was semi happy about playing. Clutts lead blocking and getting 40yards down the field to block on screens, Marshall blocking and catching his ass off. Bennett and KD benefiting from Marshall and Forte being on the field on the same time spreading out the D. Bush banging on the inside and catching screens. So many good things can happen.

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    To say nothing of Hester out of the slot or 4th wide position in that spread-out field.

  • Forte is one of the very few backs that can come out of the huddle at TB, then motion out to SE, take on the corner that rotated to him, get past him and make the over the shoulder catch.

    If they swing the OLB to cover him, forget it.

    I, for one, want to know if that end of season injury last year cost him that special kind of speed he was showing earlier in the year.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    His speed would be missed, no question there ... but winning makes everything better. Again, it comes down to what he's worth in a trade, not just his salary with which we could get say PLax and Herrera or whoever.

    Somebody gives us a 3rd and 4th I say no. But two second rounders or a first and a third .... it's got to be considered - and you know GMs around the league are firing in those requests. If someone wants to overpay, sweet.

  • Weren't we talking bout this same subject at the beginning of last year? Look at my list of teams that made the playoffs last year above. In today's NFL, it's just not prudent to spend the kind of dough on a RB that Forte thinks he deserves. Teams that are playoff contenders spread around the cash. You just can't too much of your Teams money in more than a couple of players and still have cash to sport a talented roster these days. It's becoming apparent that the RB position is not considered a safe place to tie up the big bucks.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    That's it Trac. There's only two players I wouldn't trade. Cutty and Urlacher. Although I guess Brandon enters that equation now.

  • Funny how Marshall *who has not played a SINGLE FUCKING DOWN for the Chicago Bears, ranks over a guy that has been half the Bears offense for four years.

    I really, really, don't get the hate for Matt Forte.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    Well, last offseason it was Cutty that had the target on his back.

    I think we're just rotating through dismissing our offensive superstars because it's been so long since we've had one...we just don't know how to deal with it. And now we have three.

    Brandon, prepare to catch a lot of shit next offseason if there's no Super Bowl ring on your finger.

  • The thing is, we don't know who's fault this is.

    Forte's agent is obnoxious and its rubbing off, but he doesn't want to discuss numbers with the media. Emery has a strict code of silence, so also no numbers with the media.

    If Forte was offered the Foster deal or thereabouts (5 years, $43.5M, $20.75 guaranteed), he's being unreasonable for refusing.

    If Forte was offered something just a shade above the Bush deal (4 years, $14M, $7M guaranteed), then the Bears are being unreasonable.

    If the offers are somewhere in the middle (4 years, $32M, $16M guaranteed by Bears, 5 years $40M, $20M guaranteed by Forte), then the two sides are "negotiating" and nobody is being unreasonable.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    The Salary Cap, Franchise Tenders rates and what the Bears have already offered dictate what a team can afford to pay a player. This has nothing to do with anyone being unreasonable but dollars and cents. The Bears obviously are not going to budge this year or probably next year as well. I think you can't address this issue from a "who's being unreasonable" perspective at this point in time. How much money is left? What are the Bears willing to pay? It's obvious the Bears have reached their ceiling on their offer to Matt or they wouldn't have franchised him. What's so hard to figure out about that?

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    Not true actually. The Bears can franchise Forte and still do some different things to find money to pay him. They can restructure players, they can do some magic with his contract, or they can, say, cut Marion Barber to free up some cash.

    As long as the Bears current offer costs more than the tag, it makes total financial sense to franchise Forte. If we're offering $8M this year as part of a larger deal, the cap fits in to the budget perfectly and we can keep negotiating.

    As to the budget issues, keep in mind, they can offer him a large signing bonus as part of the salary calculation. Signing bonuses are guaranteed money, paid out right away, but they can be allocated to cap years further down the road in the contract. So we could technically pay him a $30 million this year with a base salary of $500K and the cap hit would be miniscule.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    I don't see why we cut Barber under any circumstances. Want a roster spot? Cut Spencer. 4.5M for what? A pissy blocker and one of the worst centers in the entire NFL. Barber is good. And he becomes gold dust if Forte does his MCL again.

  • After reading copious amounts of Forte talk, I actually believe most are on the same page.

    We all want Forte to get paid, just not get paid as much as AP or CJ.

    Most, I surmise, want Forte to sign a deal roughly in the Marshawn Lynch ball park. "Marshawn Lynch – 4 years, $31M, $17M guaranteed. Includes $6M signing bonus and all of year 1 and 2 salaries guaranteed. Yearly average of $7.9M"

    Anyone disagree?

  • It reminds me of when my dorm hall played strat-o-matic basketball. It was fun, we'd trade cards, like Malone for Isiah or something, and we'd play the games out on somebody's IBM PC running DOS. Yes, DOS.

    Then, somebody wanted to add salary to the game, and the whole hall quit because it stopped being fun.

    That's what this is like.

    We give so much of a shit what the right numbers are, when the whole thing has as much tied to our realities as a game of strat-o-matic does.

    I actually lament this part of sparts fan-dom. It's the Billy Beanedom of America. I'm shocked one of the math whizzes here hasn't come up with Sabermetrics for Football yet.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    GP..Spot on.

  • That's fair. Are we at 7.5M cap now? We'd have to keep that free to sign draft picks in the event that we deal Forte and have to sign another two second rounders. It would appear we're done in FA.

    Spencer jumps out as being very expendable though. I'd swap him for Plax in a heartbeat.

    Supposing Forte was dealt for two second rounders, who could we conceivably draft in the first two rounds with our top four picks? Mercilus, Konz and Hill, or Ming +Konz + LB + OT is not out of the question.

  • Irish, Forte cost 7.7M against the cap this year, so with the Lynch like contract he'd get about the same.

    Also, if we get two 2nds for Forte, our first two rounds could go like this.

    1) OT Reiff/Martin
    2) CB Trumain Johnson
    3) SS Harrison Smith
    4) DE/OLB Zach Brown.

    That's 4 new starters on our team right there.

  • Now are we not a better team with those (or their equivalents) on board? Is having Matt run for 4 yards more important than having those players on the roster and Barber or Bush runnung for the four yards.

    But we lose speed around the edge!

    Where does it say in the football Bible : 'Thou must run off tackle most speedily to win' ?

    Is Matty on a sweep faster than a bullet slant to Marshall? Did somebody cut Bell's legs off? I seem to remember his first touch in the pros was an off-tackle 73 yard TD run.

  • actually Bell was caugh from behind on that play

  • Coach, don't interject facts... they are too stubborn for the "Those Who Hate Forte" sect.

  • Yes, I do. I don't think teams like to give too much guaranteed money to RB's these days. It's not a wise move. Can you blame them? Let me approach this subject a little differently. How many times have any of you guys seen Forte just take over the game and will the Bears to a win? Remember what Urlacher did in the famous Denny Green meltdown game and how many other times he, Mike Brown, Briggs and Tillman have done this? That's what you pay the crazy money for. Players than can impact the game on a regular basis with that kind of skill. I'm sorry but I don't think Forte has shown me that he's that kind of player.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    The Bears reportedly offered Forte 12M gauranteed (which he turned down) - is that still too much for Forte in your take Trac?

    I think 15M gauranteed for Forte would be reasonable given that he has shown to be relatively durable, productive and steady.

    Also, Forte's in his prime, and the load should be less now that Bush is on board (both Forte and Bush wore down last year). If Forte get's franchised next year, that's 14M right there anyways, so we got to keep that in mind.

    Like I said, ROUGHLY like the Lynch deal.

  • That's been my take all along. I just want a deal that both sides can live with at the end of the day. We're a better team with Forte. I don't like the trade scenario because we have no idea if Emery is any better than JA. We all assume he is (frightening thought if he isn't) but we don't know for sure.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    He can't be any worse. Angelo didn't listen to his scouts. Emery knows not to repeat that mistake. Ultimately Angeo lost his job because we had no backup QB. Emery was quick to sign Campbell and McCown.

  • agree with everything you say.

    but if we pay him lynch money, i really want him to give us at least 1 beast mode run. i love when he jukes a defender out of his cleats, but that doesn't make you point at the TV and yell the same way an old fashioned truckin' does.

  • Holy speed Batman! RT @davidcanter: NFL scouts had client Utah corner Conroy Black in the 4.18-4.24 range at 6'0" even. Can you say BLAZING?

  • Dang. Didn't even know a sub 4.2 was humanly possible.

    Is he part Gault?

  • Barber will be picked up by Eagles or Rams.

  • Is that a prognostication or a newsbyte?

  • Either would be good fits.

    McCoy/Barber

    Jackson/Barber

    Would make more sense in Philly IMO. Rams don't need two rented mules.

  • Also, I thought Barber might retire?

  • Did we cut him? Why would we cut him?

  • The bears should not sign forte to a long term deal. They should franchise him this year and the next and then get rid of him. Forte has lost his leverage, and THIS is why he SHOULD be pissed, not why he shouldn't be complaining. The bottom line is, Matt Forte should have held out last year. PERIOD. He did what all sports fans wanted him to do, and he sucked it up even though he was underpaid and accounted for an alarming percentage of the offense. People are missing the point: Forte is upset because he sucked it up last year and hoped that the Bears would reward him this year and they didnt. And now they have no reason to. It was a smart, shrewd gamble that the bears front office made and it paid off. The only backlash this could possibly have is if potential free agents dOnt feel like the bears take care of their own.

  • In reply to thebigcheese:

    I disagree for several reasons. #1 The signing of Barber minimized the effectiveness of a Forte holdout. #2 The Bears made a good offer to Forte last year. #3 It turns out that even if the Bears had met Forte's expectation's and done a deal, it wouldn't have made our season any better.

  • In reply to thebigcheese:

    Funny it takes a Packers fan to come in here and point out the reality of the situation. He is completely right on the whole thing, except the part about not signing Forte. As a Packers fan, he naturally wants to see Forte gone as soon as possible.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    Yep. Although, I'd differ in that several of us have made this same point repeatedly over the last few weeks.
    Matt is going to regret not taking the reasonable offer, not the one that his ego and agent are now telling him he deserves. The time for that was last year.

  • Forte & his agent need to shaddap face the facts.

    The Bears hold all the cards on. They can franchise him NEXT season as well and 2 years is a LONG time for a running back.

    The money goes to QBs, stud receivers and pass rushers.

    Blame the game's current state of evolution.

    Mike Tolbert got $10m for FOUR years.

    I'm not putting Tolbert on a par with Forte, but if you really need a back, you can find one and WITHOUT having to surrender your first born or a testicle.

    Michael Bush isn't Forte, either, but he also ain't exactly chopped liver.

    Why spend a first on a Trent Richardson when you can find a Forte in the 2nd round, a Terrell Davis in the 6th (?) or an Arian Foster as an undrafted free agent?

    And as good as Forte is, he's been pretty unimpressive as a short yardage situations. SOME of that is O-Line issues, some of it isn't.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Next person says Matt Forte is not a fullback, I'm crawling out your screen and kicking your ass.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    I'd pay to see that!

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    .
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqGsT6VM8Vg

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Sorry, Canada. I misposted that link twice. It was supposed to be in reply to Viva's "fullback" comment.

    Trying to do too many things at once.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    Crunch...damn and I have a 3-D screen...tee hee hee

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    "I'm your huckleberry."

    Matt Forte is not a fullback.

  • In reply to Viva:

    Roland Harper.

  • In reply to Viva:

    See my reply to Canada ^^^. Click Da link.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    matt forte is not a fullback

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Exactly.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqGsT6VM8Vg

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    ARRRGH. DON'T click this link. I meant to post it above.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    Zombie!

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfbAFgD2mLo

  • Luck drool

    http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/luck-proves-greatness-brilliant-pro-day-performance-003126210.html

  • Where o where will CedBen and the Felony Circus land?

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Interestingly, the Pack could use his services.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    He's a big uptick over Ryan Grant, who I expect doesn't make final roster.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I think the Bears would LOVE for Benson to join the Pack. Kreutz would come out of retirement, play DT, "retire" Benson, then ride off into that pacific sunset.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Cedrunk would be great in New Orleans, Texas or Miami. Plenty of chances to get hammered and get in trouble. Plus plenty of racist cops to make sure it happens. Win-win.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Cops, "We don't like your kind 'round here"

    Benson, "Yo, blacks?"

    Cops, "No. IDIOTS."

  • The man who told a Texas Ranger to get off his boat.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Are you saying one should not be able to tell a cop to get off one's property?

  • Marion Barber retires

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/chi-marion-barber-retires-20120323,0,5605096.story

  • In reply to elcaney:

    sheite!!! elcaney

    beat me to it...day late dollar short $#$!#%$#!%$%!^$%!!!

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    sad part about that is the last sentence...

    Thanks Barbarian even though it was short lived in Navy Blue and Burnt Orange.....

  • In reply to elcaney:

    that is one unique cat. that came out of left field.

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    waffle...... would you say that would be a "Pussy Plunder"?

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    hee hee

  • Leave it to FF to provide the best analysis. These stats only confirm what I saw with my eyes. Bush wore down toward the end of the season (and IMO, so did Forte), which is why I believe he chose the Bears over the Bengals - Hence both of them splitting time makes perfect sense.

    Michael Bush

    Weeks Carries Yards YPC Total TDs
    7-11 96 461 4.80 3
    12-17 117 378 3.23 2

    http://sports.espn.go.com/fantasy/football/ffl/story?id=7722592

  • On a HB note, now that Barber retired, I wonder what we're going to do with Armando Allen? He looked like an effective Garrett Wolfe.

    Esp since I have a very strong feeling that Tice is going to be using Hester as more of a scat back.

    Hopefully we can be able to stash Allen on the practice squad - if not - gulp - convert him to CB?

  • 1. Hester is not a running back, scat back, any back. He is a kick returner that lines up once in a while at WR.
    2. Allen is a career RB and therefore cannot be placed at a new randomly selected position at the highest level of the particular sport.

    I have already forgiven you for this errant post my son. I chalked it up to it being Friday and you already at the bar wrecked on Gin and Tonic.

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    Yes. Because of past contributions, 4EVER gets a "Get out of DBB Jail Free" card, for the somewhat drunken suggestion that we convert Armondo Allen into a cornerback.

    I will assume that because Allen is very short, you naturally thought "ahhh, Bears secondary"

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Haha...I think I'm still drunk from St Pattys.

    And yeah, figured 5'9 190 fast - agile - CB. I was temporarily possessed by Glitchy Ghost...

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    Tice has made some comments (sorry, can't quote or source right now, and memory fails) that have had others besides 4ever85 wondering if Hester might be used in the backfield.

    Now, with it looking like Forte could be traded, you have to wonder.

  • Stats are about how you read them. I saw some Raiders games with my own eyes. They told me this. I really wished he was on my team. I wished he was a Bear. I wished we had a player who could do what he does. He's a load. A fast load too, huge momentum. A lethal weapon for any team - both on the ground and in the air - in fact there wasn't a back I desired more for the Bears last year. He was the missing piece to our ground game.

    Stats say he was wearing down? Only if you read into them without engaging the gray matter.

    Ask yourself what week Jason Campbell disappeared (along with their passing game) and see if you can connect the dots in the knowledge that McFadden wasn't around either.

    I'm an opposing defense. The Raiders suddenly have no passing game. They have a newly acquired QB who hasn't played football in a very long time and doesn't know the playbook or his receivers. McFadden is injured .... who are we keying on ? It's a tough one.

    Anyone ? Bueller? I'll give you a hint. It's the other running back.

    Are we really having to defend Bush here? Would Emery bring in a dud with the franchise RB getting his knickers in a twist? Have the people who are knocking Bush seen him play? Or are they like the Jimmy Mac denigrators?

  • I like Bush (which is why I scooped him up in FF). But he DID wear down. I saw it with my own eyes. The stats merely confirm what I thought I saw.

    That being said, he was ridden hard, and any HB would wear down. That's why I'm excited to see both Forte and Bush hammering away behind our Bohemeth Line and TEs, who may not provide the best pass protection, but blast Ds in the run to the tune of 2,000 yds.

  • I didn't look in depth at the stats, but in point of fact, McFadden came back from his injury and starting taking carries away from Bush.

  • haha... "he's a fast load"

  • Well, segmenting pieces of a season is pretty silly anyway... whatever group your worst game is in is obviously going to look worse than a group with your best game of the season. It is why averages don't mean much when looked at in anything less than a full season. And, even if there were any value to gleen from that, which I doubt there is; I would bet week 12 or so was around the time the teams started stacking the box and forcing the backup QB to beat them.

  • With Barber retiring, what does his cap number this year mean to the team? Is it just as if we cut him so we get that cap number back?

  • In reply to 505 Bears!!:

    I highly doubt Barber had any guaranteed money built in

  • In reply to 505 Bears!!:

    From what I hear, Barber retiring saves the Bears 2M in cap space this year.

    Maybe that can go into the Okoye foundation.

  • I'll take a night off from drinking and kick in $30 to that fund. Bringing back Okoye would be a great tradeoff for Barber.

  • Deadlift, completely agree!!!! You're back!!!

  • I wonder what's taking them so long to resign him? Do the Bears think they can get someone as effective but cheaper in the draft?

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    Da Bears! Got Bush. Need Forte. Need DE. What else? Bueller? Bueller? You guys crack me up.

  • In reply to Big Mike:

    Speaking of Bueller, that street he was running on behind his father trying to beat him home was one over from mine in the subdivision where I grew up (Northbrook, IL) and that backyard he was cutting through in the same scene was our next door neighbor's. The writer/director John Hughes although a bit older, grew up a few blocks away. I was no longer living at home but one of my younger brothers told me about the film crew ringing the doorbell at 6am to ask if it was ok to park on our front lawn....

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    only 34 days to the draft

  • If only he would have retired last November... Tebow time! Smfh

  • In reply to Shady:

    Without Barber, the Bears would have lost in regulation.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    Bell and/or Hughes would have done just as well imo.

  • In reply to Shady:

    Barber had 140 yards from scrimmage and the Bears only TD. I guess it's possible that some undrafted rookie from the practice squad would have done as well, without running out of bounds at the wrong time. Enderle might have won every single game. We'll never know.

  • When Marion Barber was giving the announcement of retiring, the #Bears organization told him not to say anything out of bounds.

  • Rimshot!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcYppAs6ZdI&feature=fvsr

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    Thanks Tobi.

  • I was hoping I would win something from Jeff but I haven't heard anything yet lol

  • Not germaine to the thread at hand but maybe someone can answer this question for me. What is the point or benefit of not having the entire regular roster active on game day? The inactives still are getting paid, they still go on the road with the rest of the team. I tried an internet search but really couldn't find anything that explained it. TIA....

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    Never mind, I got my answer...

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    Im thinking he needs to put aside he ego and be a team player, if they can just keep the atmosphere in the locker room good they a have a great chance to be in the superbowl or atleast the nfc championship. I wrote why this is in my blog if any u guys wanna check it out as well as a nice bet to think about http://www.chicagonow.com/da-bears-blog/2012/03/eight-thoughts-on-matt-fortes-bitchy-tweet/

  • In reply to Jacky Moon:

    Matt has been the team player, and the team has fucked him. Signed his backups to contracts worth far more than he's been paid. Several times.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    They signed seasoned veterans who had earned their stripes. Forte's been wet behind the ears, a second round draft pick thinking he was Reggie Bush or Ricky Williams. Chester and Marion earned thir money, good luck to them.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    Now Dave, there is a process that all free agents go through. Rookie contract's are still contracts. Teams roll the dice in the draft and then reward the players that earn new contract's when they come up for renewal. Up until last year, Forte's average yards per rush were pedestrian. I can see Emery finding common ground around 7 mil a year as opposed to the 6 Mil Jerra offered him but my gut tells me Forte's agent is trying to get much more than that. If Matt wants to go public why doesn't he just tell everyone what he's asking for? I suspect he won't do that because he's asking for "silly" money.

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    ahah thats this link my bad heres my link http://halftimechat.com/2012/03/sports-gambling-tip-for-nfc-2012-dark-horse-team/

  • Very sorry to see Barber retired so soon. I wanted to post a highlight reel, but there aren't any of him in a Bears uniform that are of decent sound and video quality, not that I could find, anyway. Ah well:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPtICd452vI

  • so far Forte has displayed
    a loyalty towards his teammates
    and has acted with integrity
    he shows up at camp
    plays his heart out
    and if emery is the man
    he seems to be
    a contract and handshake
    will be struck

  • In reply to huntinbare:

    I don't see any integrity in Forte Hunti, I see a whiner. I see a dumb whiner who can't figure out that Twitter is available to the world and not for private thoughts.

  • In reply to huntinbare:

    I hope you're right about Emery. I know you're right about Forte.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    I meant Hunti is right about Forte, of course.

  • it makes me happy
    to see that many of you
    are taking the youth to see
    The Lorax

    the movie reminds me of 2 sets of lyrics
    from a couple of my favorite artists
    one old.... the other new

    from the song performed by the Band
    I don't mind chopping wood
    and I don't care if the money's no good
    You take what you need
    and leave the rest
    but we should never
    have taken the very best

    the other is from Jakob Dylan
    We took the fruit
    we cut the tree
    we chisled all the branches free
    we took more than we'd ever need
    we took the fruit
    we cut the trees

    hopefully our children
    and their children's children
    will be smarter than
    our ignorant bunch

    Dr. Suess was a prophet
    with a child like mind
    I weep also for the trees
    and all that they support

    O.K.
    BACK TO FOOTBALL

  • In reply to huntinbare:

    When my daughter remembers, above all, that "I speak for the trees"...well, your point is well taken. I love that kid, and I love that Dr. Seuss speaks to her in every picture and every silly rhyme. He was one of the great artists of the 20th century.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Ted Geisel, he deserves that his name be known.

  • Brilliant political stuff too...

  • http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/breaking/fl-miami-dolphins-steve-ross-0324-20120323,0,7306529.story

    Nobody wanted Marshall. Unbelievable. If Chicago didn't trade for him he was getting cut.

  • I'm not so sure about that - their owner has some serious issues judging from that conversation with the Phins protesters.

  • Yeah, that came straight out of his blow hole. SF picked up Randy Moss, and no one wanted Brandon Marshall?

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    There was certainly no bidding war, and Marshall is one strike and out.

  • And you would trade Forte but not Marshall? I just won't get that, Irish. It makes not sense at all.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    Why would we trade Marshall ? The Bears have never had a receiver like him. We've already mentioned why a Forte trade could be advantageous. In light of Barber's retirement though we're better off just getting him signed and hope we have a good draft and about three eventual starters. Didn't see that one coming.

  • I thought I'd post this to put things in perspective about Forte's contract dispute. I think this article was pretty accurate and it seems Matt turned down around 6 Mil a year guaranteed.

    http://blogs.suntimes.com/bears/2011/10/bears_best_offer_to_matt_forte.html

    I still think it was a good offer.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    Funny, when I read that article, I side most definitely with Forte.

    Marion Barber was not better than Matt Forte. Frank Gore is not better than Matt Forte. DeAngelo WIlliams (granted, silly contract) is not better than Matt Forte.

    Adrian Peterson and Chris Johnson are not more than twice as good as Matt Forte.

    NONE of them have been a bigger part of their team's offense than Matt Forte.

    Yet somehow, making 25% less money than all but Barber (who was making more for the Cowboys than Forte was) is somehow a "fair deal"?

    Sorry, I just don't get it.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    I give in Dave, fair enough? We need to keep him now.

    Bush, Forte & Clutts. That'll do. Draft the best DE in the first, then the best OT and after that ... BPA. Cut Spencer. Sign Plax. Happy.

    I won't be drafting him in fantasy football this year though.

  • What is lost in this conversation is what Matt Forte's desired actions would do to the Chicago Bears and their fans. He does not want them to sign a backup or alternative, waiting until he deems their offer worthy of his signature--holding out like a petulant child if he doesn't get exactly what he and his agent want. In the meanwhile, the Bears and their fans are supposed to risk a substandard starting RB , potentially losing games they might otherwise win until Forte is happy. What does this say for his dedication to you and me, the fans who pay his salary indirectly? To me it says he doesn't care what WE have to endure as long as HE is happy and feels "respected".

    To me, it shows he has no respect for the fans or the organization who are responsible for the team, stadium and encouragement every Sunday around him. The fans who freeze their butts off to fill the stadium even when the Bears are out of the running to win the Division. The same fans who pay ridiculous prices to maybe see one game a year, having to do so because the players' salaries are more than a fan will make in a lifetime.

    Last of all, I am tired of this "disrespected" business. Professional athletes don't want "respect", they want to continue to have their butts kissed as they have grown accustomed to having since they became standouts in their sport. Doubtless since high school they have always had someone whispering in their ear how great they are. Let any one of these guys have a real job, like me and and other fan-- where we worry every day about downsizing eliminating our job not because we aren't good at what we do, but perhaps because the company needs to improve the bottom line and you were the newest guy hired and cutting heads gets them to the number they need. Try working overtime for zero extra pay because your boss has all the leverage and because you know the job market sucks. Try working 60-70 hours a week because you know your family REALLY depends on your paycheck, not like athletes like to imagine but because every payday you truly are just about out of cash. Try going a store and not buying something simple because it's "not in the budget" this week, or next week, or even next month.

    Mr Forte, it is YOU who are disrespecting US, the fans.

    Just a thought--try modelling yourself after someone who truly conducted himself with class--like Mr. Walter Payton.

  • I have been disrespected for free. C'mon Matt, get with the program, go out and make over 16 million in the next two years minimum.

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    Why is it whenever a player gets into a contract dispute the fans (and writers) quickly go and compare themselves to those players. To make a more fair comparison would be if you get paid the minimum in your own job and everyone else is making more. Then they give you a bump but only for a year before you know they're going to dump you, while others who don't work as well as you do rake in big bucks.
    It's funny that Forte has done EVERYTHING he has been asked for this team and when he asks to be treated failry fans turn on him and call him classless. Again, do your job for minimum wage, then get hurt and see what happens. Forte did that FOR THE TEAM, and it almost cost him his career...

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