Defending the J'Marcus Webb Thing (While Avoiding the Burning Torches)

Defending the J'Marcus Webb Thing (While Avoiding the Burning Torches)

The Bears have addressed their backup quarterback position, adding starting-caliber player and man Jason Campbell. They have their first legitimate number one receiver in twenty years, having acquired the morally-maligned, athletically-gifted Brandon Marshall in a lopsided (to the good) trade with the Miami Dolphins. They have replenished Dave Toub's special teams units by securing Blake Costanzo and Eric Weems - both Pro Bowl players. Now the clamoring has begun from the fans of the Twitter universe and reporters (Mully) with Lovie on Thursday's conference call. It is time for the Bears to address the offensive line.

And when the great offensive line debate begins, attention is squarely thrust upon the broader than broad shoulders of the left tackle, big number seventy-three, J'Marcus Webb. Webb spends most of his Twitter time exalting praise upon the cuisine at Harry Caray's while most Bears fans heap piles of trash on his Sunday performances.

I am not one of them.

J'Marcus Webb played college football at West Texas A&M (after a rookie season for Mack Brown at Texas). He was drafted in the seventh round. In his rookie season, after trying to block the equivalent of me for three years, he ended up starting at right tackle for the Chicago Bears. His offensive line coach, Mike Tice, one of the best and most respected in the business, thought enough to entrust the vaunted blindside role to him in 2011. Was he good? No. Did he looked over-matched at times? Of course. J'Marcus struggled against speed rushers to the extent he required a man attached to his hip tighter than Wyatt Earp's six shooter as he approached the OK Corral. He also struggled mightily when required to move laterally  in Martz' often complicated offense.

So why am I not ready to launch Webb onto the scrap heap? Two reasons:

  1. Mike Tice. I don't believe Tice is crazy. I think he's large and loves ice cream and can probably drink me under a table and into a six-foot grave but I don't think he's crazy. Tice is embarking on his first stint as an offensive coordinator and clearly has designs on a future head coaching position. Why would he risk the success that could propel him into such a position on Webb? Why would he not walk into Lovie Smith's or Phil Emery's office every day and say, "Boys we are not going to win a championship with J'Marcus Webb as our left tackle." He doesn't make that walk because he believes Webb can develop into a terrific player on the outside. I'd like to see him given at least the start of a second season to show what he can do.
  2. Sustained Success. If the Bears go out and sign a thirty-something left tackle and he succeeds for a year or two they will find themselves back at the positional starting gate before they know it. Webb is 23 years old. If he improves in 2012 and improves even more in 2013 the club could be looking at a good player on Cutty's blindside for the next decade. Will he ever be Willie Roaf or Walter Jones or Anthony Munoz? No. But if you pawned the Super Bowl rings of Roaf and Jones and Munoz you would only need an additional $2.25 to hop on the blue line to O'Hare. The upside of Webb is solid left tackle play over a number of years at an affordable rate. Is a few years of struggling too steep a price to pay for that?

I am not opposed to the Bears pursuing and signing a veteran tackle. I am not even opposed to a player like Marcus McNeill starting for the Bears at left tackle in 2012. But I think fans refusing to acknowledge how steep a climb Webb has made in a short period are out of touch. I think writers who do not take into account how green Webb is are misguided. I am not saying I believe Webb will be the future of the left tackle position. I don't know enough about evaluating offensive linemen to play that game. But Mike Tice does and he believes in Webb. Believes in him enough to risk offensive success in his first year as coordinator. And his belief just might sustain the our franchise quarterback's protection for a decade.

Might.

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  • first?

  • that is all

  • Webb + dancing with the starts=Walter Jones

  • like a boss

  • oops, I left out steroids and HGC.

  • "Why would he not walk into Lovie Smith's or Phil Emery's office every day and say, "Boys we are not going to win a championship with J'Marcus Webb as our left tackle."

    Maybe Tice did, but LTs don't fall off trees.

    Or maybe he did, and Emery responded, "Ok, I'll take care of this during the draft."

    Or maybe that's why there's rumblings about CW moving back to LT (which sounds like a horrible idea).

    I think Tice believes in Webb as much as Martz "believed" in Olsen, or as much as Cutler "believed" in his WR core. Zilch.

    I appreciate that Webb was a 7th rounder, but that's not gonna make Cutler feel any better when he gets driven to the dirt from behind.

    However, we can't fix everything in one year, so we will likely be stuck with Webb at LT.

  • -------------------
    Adam Caplan
    @caplannfl

    "Chargers agree to terms with WR Eddie Royal, a source confirms."

    http://twitter.com/#!/caplannfl/status/180455381695340544
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    Shit

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    Eh.

    There's tons of WRs in the draft who are not Knox-ish. (5'10 185).

    Give me a solid 6'2 prospect to groom for a lot cheaper.

  • Also, since the Chargers picked up Meachem and Royal (prob for the same price as Vjax), we no longer really have to worry about them drafting a WR right before us in the first two rds.

    Jags over paying for Lauren Robinson also makes them less likely to draft a WR early (although they still need a #1 WR IMO).

    Cowboys picking up CB Carr might make them more likely to draft G DeCastro and less likely to draft CB Kirkpatrick, which is good for us too.

    But, more on all these FA signings affecting the draft later.

  • Good points.

  • Mario Manningham anyone? Dude is fairly cheap (6-7mil/year) and a proven track record. I think he'd be the perfect compliment to Marshall

  • In reply to jimmychange:

    I am +1 on Manningham

  • In reply to jimmychange:

    We don't have that kind of money once we sign up our draft picks and the guys we need to re-sign. If we're 16M under cap it's because we have like ten more guys to sign.

  • That, again, is partially true, partially not.

    And if we absolutely had to, we could simply change Marshall's contract up to pay most of his money as a bonus and pay him league minimum - that would instantly free up $6m this year (with some amount deferred to next years cap).
    Cap space is not an enormous issue for us at this point. Are we the Bengals? No, but we still have room to play.

  • "Is a few years of struggling too steep a price to pay for that?"

    No, but a dead franchise QB is way too steep a price, Jeff.

    "But I think fans refusing to acknowledge how steep a climb Webb has made in a short period are out of touch. I think writers who do not take into account how green Webb is are misguided."

    Out of touch? Who gives a shit how far Webb has climbed if his QB has to climb out of a silhouette-shaped hole too often?

    Misguided? Who gives a shit how green he is if his QB has to pull too many green clumps out of his face mask?

  • Re-post (in the hope that the book The Secret isn't complete BS)

    Butch's Left Overs Combo Platter.

    1) OLB/DE Wimbley. God damn Raiders are in denial. They have about $600,000 in cap. No, that's not a typo. Release him already, bastards!

    2) LT McNeill. Unless his head is flapping from his neck, sign this guy to a cheap 2 yr low risk deal already.

    3) HB Tolbert. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE make this happen. All he does is score TDs and convert 3rd downs. He's also an excellent pass catcher and SP teamer.

    4) G Robert Gallery. Heard he got released. This guy was a former 1st round LT pick. He'd be a perfect Tice guy - for cheap.

    5) CB Kelvin Hayden. Like McNeill, an injury risk, but offer him a safe contract. Unlike Graham, can compete with Jennings.

  • We still haven't cut Mr. Barber..

  • OK, cut Barber, THEN sign Tolbert.

    I've heard the Bears are still talking to Bush. Is this possible? Didn't he leave OAK because he didn't want to be a back-up? Or is this just a charade to mind fuck Forte?

  • Forte's gone man. Word is he'll hold out, in which case he can take the highway and we'll take the picks and cash.

  • Erronius.

  • wasn't E. Rronius
    the guy
    Jerry A
    wanted to sign
    as Forte's backup

  • Reggie McCheesy isn't going to let Wimbley go until the last minute, apparently.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    Man, if I were Wimbley, I'd be pissed. The Raiders are costing him $$$.

    Teams aren't gonna be saving $ in the hope that he gets released. By the time he hits the market, a lot of teams will have spent their allotted allowance.

    Hmmm...maybe the Bengals are saving some of that cap for him. Would make sense.

  • Tolbert's decent but he can't exactly knock people over. Bush doesn't need an oline. Then again LeSean McCoy can put them away and he's a sparrow fart. Aren't we good for guards ? 4.5M for Spencer is insane though, and as a center I think he was rated 30th out of 32.

  • With all due respect, you have no fucking clue what you're talking about re: Tolbert and Bush.

    Tolbert is notoriously hard to take down and is a low-to-the-ground wrecking ball. And he's VERY effective catching swing passes out of the backfield.
    Bush is a speed guy, not the up-the-gut guy you seem to think he is.
    Have you watched either guy play for the last four years?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeurG53N6KM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CiYKJeD4r4E&feature=related

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Tolbert was more of a Barber/Forte...He does catch and he isn't afraid to hit. He was out doing Matthews for awhile.

    Bush, to me, was similar to Tolbert. I watched a lot of tape on him but I don't recall many up the gut plays.

    Tolbert would be a nice compliment and hopefully cheaper than Bush and Barber.

  • Tolbert is a Full-back that plays at Running Back. Big lower body and drives through defenders at the point of attack, and yes, he is excellent at catching the ball out of the backfield.

    Bush is much more of a speed guy and likes to get on the edge, much like Forte - I've watched plenty of both and Tolbert is the pounder.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I like both guys actually, just to be clear. I'd be happy with either one as the backup.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Agree, except Irish proposes Bush as a *replacement* for Forte. He just hates Matt, that is clear.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    Yes, that is the kicker.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    i like the fact
    that Tolbert can
    go up and over
    the top at the goal line
    and he is
    loose in the hips
    the man can dance

  • love the Le Shean
    descriptive
    do they smell

  • If Webb isn't the LT of the future then we shouldn't be passing up the chance for a vet to come in and do the job right for a couple of years while we do find the answer at LT.

    If we don't pick up at least 2 linemen I sweart to christ i will fucking kill Angelo for killing Emery and wearing his skin like a puppet whilst continuing to fuck our post season chances by missing the easiest fucking opportunity to improve the team.

    Note to Bears administration:

    you fucking retards, pick up OL now!

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    I would at the very least pen McNeill, and think long and hard about ponying up cash for Winston.

    In the draft, Artoo and I like Zebrie Sanders. There's also this other prospect Jeff Allen from ILLI who I would target.

    In short, I wholeheartedly agree.

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQb2m6VJ-eo

  • In reply to gpldan:

    well that ruined my night

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    prepare to be even more disturbed!

    http://youtu.be/3bLy26TwtyI

  • I just read another article quoting Lovie as being happy with the guys we have on the line right now. I am now livid. We would have been in the superbowl at least 1 time in the last couple of years if not more if we had a line to speak of.

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    Yeah that's shit. I can get being down with Cookie and having faith Bear Jew makes a recovery. And maybe you think Spencer can hold down the fort at RG, or Louis.

    But Webb is a disaster at LT. His project never goes from a lump of clay into a Michelangelo. It just doesn't. Garza fought in the Civil War. Come on, we need a center and we desperately need blind side anchor.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    If we could do some horse-trading and grab ourselves two out of Mercilus/Konz/Hill, and then pick up Burfict later on ... then I would wear an Emery t-shirt and deeply respect the man, up to but not including actual touching.

  • And who would play left tackle?

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    Lovie is permanently happy with everything right now.

    Emery said the Bears "could look at other free-agent linemen, and... will look “very hard” at offensive linemen in the draft" (accd to teh Trib).

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    Just a smoke screen. Bears are probably going D-line or WR in the draft.

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    In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    Waffle, Lovie is always happy with the guys he has right now. As a player, isn't that what you'd want your coach to say. Until the door hits you in the ass, coach has your back.

    If there is a situation where we can improve the OL, I'd bet that the Bears will go after it.

    But let's not get too excited about what's out there. Some of these guys look good on paper, but are broken.

  • now for those elders on this blog know what the FUI!@$#!$@#K has been my mantra on for sheite how long?

    OL,OL,OL,OL,OL,....I wanted two mauling guards ..I get a reject first rounder that was supposed to be LT...now as for the Bear Jew..I have better optimism on him..I know "the one we do not name" has clusterf#$!#!$ked our drafts and now we see the repercussions..GO FA and get one

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    btw...your poetry on this thread was breathtaking...LMFAO!!!

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    A long time, Lobo. Probably longer than me, which is from the day I found this place. But I think you were already here.

    ALL offenses start with the line. End of story.

  • and blogfader....
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XazOmi4yIbU&feature=related

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    good one

  • We never heard JA talk Xs and Os like this (which might explain our poor early picks)

    “There are not very many players in the NFL that have done that,” Emery said. “We really liked Brandon Marshall as a player. We really like who he is as a route runner. We like who he is in terms of his flexibility of alignment. Brandon can be an ‘X’ or he can be a ‘Z’ or he can be an inside slot.

    “He’s 230 pounds. He’s over 6-4, and he has great route feet, body control, hips. He has great strength to move defenders out of the way to get position and make the catch.”

    Now, go get our draft studs Emery!

  • who really knows
    what Emery thinks
    about our O line

    he won't be painfully
    honest until it is
    on him
    these are players
    he has to make
    soup with
    so far it seems
    he knows talent
    i will be patient
    with Phil
    cannot wait
    till the draft

  • Webb is the perfect swing tackle, but not good enough to be starting 16 games. Bears clearly need upgrade at LT.

  • In reply to Shady:

    yeah think!?....+1 shady

  • Good grief.

    Greg Olsen was to be the key to our offense, and now J'Marcus Webb - the worst pass-blocking tackle in the NFL - is to be our Jim Covert?

    That's such bollocks I'm glad I completely refuted it yesterday.

  • "But Mike Tice does and he believes in Webb. Believes in him enough to risk offensive success in his first year as coordinator. "

    What? No he doesn't! How do you know Tice believes in Webb? Because he didn't start Omelette at LT last year? Our LT was playing LG and when Carimi got injured there was nobody else to plug in. Tice has been around the NFL for 30+ years, he knows a seventh round POS when he sees one and they are 100% guaranteed to crap that turd right out come draft time or in FA.

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    The argument was why screw up two spots on the line because Chris Williams was making great progress at Guard.

  • In reply to Big Mike:

    And why does everyone assume that Chris Williams, who wasn't any better than Webb at LT last time, is suddenly the preferred starter?

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    BIngo - frankly, I think he's more likely to end up replacing Carimi if the knee is still balky then he is to replace Webb...and people want to forget what a disaster he was at LT in 2010 in his first two starts. There's a reason he stayed at LG the rest of that year and last.
    My honest opinion is that Tice is a) motivating Webb and Carimi and b) adding options to the mix.

  • Speaking of OTs, good news Bears Clan. I was just revising my mock draft, and the way it's shaping up (T McNeill, T Winston etc suddenly being released, If MIA loses out on Manning and drafts Tannenhill) a quality OT might very well fall to us.

    Riley Reiff or Mike Adams are very real possibilities, and if the Rams skip on Jonathan Martin and go Blackmon, it's nearly certain.

    Now comes the great debate.

    DE Mercilus or OT Riley Reiff/Mike Adams.

  • OT baby, OT

  • The thought of drafting Mike Adams is a frightening one. We would be drafting J'Marcus Webb in the first round.

  • I do not like drafting Mike Williams that high at all.

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    Riley Reiff, is slotted to go anywhere from 7 to 29 in the Mocks I've seen. If he's there at 19. Case Closed in my opinion. Big Ten can't win many Bowl games, but they make very good lineman. Jonathan Marting guy from Stanford wouldn't suck. But if Dre were there at 19, or if Floyd was still there.. tough call.

  • OT

  • If bears need time to cutler finds WR instead of running for his life.... OT (provided Riley Reiff is aviable) otherwise Mercilus. or lure other teams for a second round pick that could be Curry or Adams........ Hester is the key.

  • double R
    Riley Reiff
    please

  • The Bears might not do much more. Being 16 million under is where they want to be. Thus, unless someone comes really cheap, start looking at us resigning Steltz, we are talking to Corey Graham, and we signed Izzy. I am hoping for a Okoye signing.

    The Bears will set aside 6 to 7 million for draft picks. So. Only have 9 or 10 million to spend.

  • i'm a little concerned about this Brandon Marshall situation. How many games he is going to be suspended is going to be based on a 4am fight with everyone biased against Marshall. I mean did he just hit this woman randomly and no one instigated anything? Was he trying to hit someone else? Only time will tell and even then will we get the full story?

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    oh well, i'm going to bed and when i wake up tomorrow there had better be a starting OT on our team not named Webb.

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    It sounded like he was defending his wife. Jay jumped people on judging him when they didn't know the whole story

  • The fog lifts.

    dabearsblog My piece on @jmarcuswebb and my hope for successful future in Chicago.

    Diplomacy, Jefe, fair enough, but I'd rather be one of the torch-holding villagers outside Frankenstein's house calling it like it is, rather than be the good Doctor brown-nosing the monster inside.

    I'd be surprised if there was one blog member who would defend Webb's continued presence on the line.

    Anyone? Bueller ?

  • The only way I can honestly see him being our left tackle..is if we have a Tightend helping him at all times or a running back ready to help chip the left side. Less seven step drops and moving the pocket away from his side with bootlegs and play actions.

    That being said.. we are compromising our offense by keeping him. Our tightend or runningback will be helping block instead of getting open.
    Making it easier on the defense to cover less people.
    The use of bootlegs will help but eventually teams will notice we are doing this to hide a weakness.

    The guy gets one more year for me. Trust me..I would take McNeil in a heartbeat. Hell, the Lions are considering him but if C.Williams or any other draft pick is better than Webb. Why in thee hell is Tice not putting them in?

  • That's the problem Artoo, once you're having to get people to help you do your job and scheme around you because you suck ... well that kind of defeats the purpose of you being employed. Billion dollar business, got the franchise QB ... check ... solid backup QB .... check....... protector for the blind-side of franchise QB .... fail.

    I think we do see Tice look at alternatives for Webb's spot who are already on the roster. He did a pretty good job of it last year with the scheming - and that was with Martz as OC and Webb as LT. I'm confident that with his player and play selection he can have us looking good this season. It will feel amazing to sweep the Packers

  • (Crickets ... Crickets... Crickets)

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    (tumbleweed blows through the blog)

    Precisely.

  • I was investigating OTs, and came across this little tidbit from the Vikings GM (The Vikes are projected to draft LT Kalil)

    "Spielman, however, has provided the following answer multiple times when asked about his left tackle situation as the draft approaches:

    "There's the adage that you go back and forth on. Is the left tackle that important or is it more important to have playmakers on offense? Because as your quarterback evolves, he learns the system, he gets the ball quicker out of his hand and all of a sudden that left tackle doesn't need to be a Pro Bowl left tackle. He can be a functional left tackle because the quarterback evolves and he's got playmakers."

    I guess one could make the argument that Cutler with more knowledge of the system, better receivers, audibles, less 7 step drops, can get by with a "functional" Webb. Still, that's a helluva gamble.

    Personally, I think Spileman's blowing smoke up ppls asses, but who knows? Maybe he does take Blackmon over Kalil so that Ponder has a toy. This might drop down all the other LTs for us possibly. Good thing Ponder can run.

    http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcnorth/post/_/id/38835/vikings-playmakers-or-an-elite-left-tackle

  • "As an illustration of his thought process, Spielman noted the well-discussed protection problems the Green Bay Packers endured in the early stages of quarterback Aaron Rodgers' career. Rodgers, in fact, took 75 sacks in his first 26 starts in 2008 and 2009 while playing behind a line in personnel transition. Rodgers also absorbed criticism for holding the ball too long.

    "I just remember Aaron Rodgers and how the media were criticizing their offensive line when Aaron Rodgers took all those sacks his first year as a starter," Spielman said. "Now, their offensive line has gotten better, but Aaron Rodgers has also gotten better … and they’ve got tremendous playmakers around him."

    Having gone through that period together, I think we can all agree that Rodgers improved his release time. But I also remember asking him about that during training camp in 2010, and he noted that the Packers' sacks diminished as tight end Jermichael Finley emerged as a pass-catcher. Indeed, playmakers helped settle the sack issue that season. "

  • From one of the comments from that same Vikes article (which I would have to verfiy)

    "
    The average draft position for the LT position on the 12 playoff teams from 2011 was a 3rd rounder (67.5th pick overall). Side note: the highest drafted among them? A certain Bryant McKinnie, the only one selected in the first 10 picks.

    The top five teams in terms of avoiding QB sacks last year had LTs with average draft positions of 4th round (101.8th pick).

    I think the conventional wisdom here (that you need a early first round pick Left Tackle to be successful) is wrong."

  • Conventional wisdom would also suggest that you do not find your starting left tackle in the 7th round either. 95+% of pro bowlers are first round picks. I don't need stats to tell me that Webb cannot pass protect and will eventually cause the demise of Jay Cutler or whoever it is taking snaps from our former right guard.

    Adams will likely go in the 1st or the top of the 2nd and he looks terrible at pass pro as well. Left tackles are a rare breed, and we're still paying the price for ignoring them for so long in the draft. I still haven't had a valid reason given as to why CW is playing LG and not LT. Webb is not a better tackle than Chris, he's not a better tackle than anybody except Omelette. Webb was officially the worst RT in the NFL and given Cutler's sack numbers is probably the worst LT too.

    Question is, will Tice wait until part way through the season before finding the balls to bench him? Training camp is the place to do it, we don't need to see any more. Guys that big and slow can't be taught to deal with speed rushers. You can block them or you can't. We've got Jared Allen twice a year. CW can block him on his own - he's done it before - fatboy cannot.

    To paraphrase the small green guy - you can or cannot, there is no try.

  • Offensive line is the single easiest position to fill with quality starters via low-draft rounds or UFA. That is not my opinion - that is the opinion of guys like Bill Polian, Pat Kirwan, Tim Ryan, etc.
    CW has blocked Jared Allen ONCE - you act like he was on his way to a fucking HOF career because he played well in four games. If he had been a reasonable LT, Cutty wouldn't have spent large parts of 2010 on his ass. You have a selective memory. If he's nutted up and learned how to play Tackle again since his move inside, that's great - I hope he proves it in camp this year, but ignoring the enormous amount of film on him where he got killed by speed guys on the edge because you watched one game where he played well against a bull-rushing Allen is just nuts. He is one option, Webb is another, and hopefully we'll have a third and fourth by August. I trust Tice to find the right one before the games that count start.

  • Of the top five teams in terms of avoiding QB sacks last year that had LTs with average draft positions of 4th round .. .what was the average drafting position of their centers, guards and right tackles I wonder?

    Nobody was sacked more than Cutler. He's a pretty mobile guy. A more than substantial number of those had to come from the blind-side. When I watched games last season I was just looking at the left tackle, just waiting for the time that Cutler couldn't get up and some future burger-flipper came in to replace him.

    That anyone can possibly defend Webb - and not be tweeting the guy - astounds me. Has anyone won the SB with a LT that sucked, have they?

    We're a CB, LB, LT, DE and C away from a Lombardi and a mini dynasty in the NFCN, but none of the other holes threatens our QB. Thankfully we have two real LTs and Tice will make his moves in camp - he had no camp last year and had to go with what was in place.

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    Anything else? You've asked for over 20% of the starting roster in your wish list. Being clever and getting by at some spots on the roster, lets you spend 50 or 60 million a year on your top 5 guys.

    Corner, 4th or 5th round at best. Only possibility is if DRE Kirkpatrick is out there
    LB - Late Round
    LT - unless it is an OVERWHEMING value relative to DE, this is the 2nd priority.
    DE - Best Available FA/Draft

  • Oh, people can come up with statistics to prove anything. 14% of all people know that!

  • In reply to jrnymn17:

    And 73.8% of all statistics are made up on the spot.

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    Really good points .

  • http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8279ef2f/article/bills-fullcourt-press-lands-mario-williams-with-sixyear-deal?module=HP11_headline_stack

    Wow. Glad we didn't go down that road. Time to look at the positives.

    1. We didn't tie up 28 million dollars a year n two DEs.

    2. He tore his pec and already has a hernia.

    3. Houston's defense was actually better without him.

  • Agree.

  • (bar-room drunk voice)
    And another thing ...

    Is there a point to all this ?

    Trade Forte and use the cash elsewhere and fix a whole bunch of depth problems with the first round, three seconds and our third rd pick this year to cement the roster, or trade around and get in position to draft Mercilus and Konz and maybe Hill. Konz serves his apprenticeship and acts as backup to Garza, ditto Hill to Marshall and Ming to Peppers. Always two there are.

    Slot the Williams boys in at guard, Gabe at LT, Lance at RT. Trade Spencer, keep Webb on the bench for emergeny purposes only.

    Sign Michael Bush. Call run plays. Knock people the fuck over. Make Bear's offense VIOLENT again. We don't need Matt Forte to be our best receiver, he's not supposed to be our best receiver. We don't need Matt Forte, period. They've already programmed robots to run. Any dickhole can catch a screen pass. Want to throw it downfield? Try Brandon Marshall, Bennett or 'Always-Open' Kellen Davis.

    Arguably the best back of last year's draft, certainly top two, wasn't drafted until after our 53rd pick. How 'special' and magical are running backs? They're not. And when one of them wants 12M a year, isn't Bo Jackson, and makes hold-out noises ..... you wave your magic wand and turn him into picks and cash to pay other players.

  • And if running backs are not "'special' and magical", why Bush over Forte? Do you think Bush will cost less that Forte? Do you really thing he's better (seriously, maybe he is)?

    Matt Forte has yet to be on an offense in the NFL that had a legitimate passing game, other than he and a possession guy (altho Earl is actually a big more than that).

    My opinion is that there is no reason whatsoever to trade Forte and that in an offense with a Brandon Marshall on the field, and an offensive coordinator not named Turner or Martz, Matt will be awesome.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    It is becoming the most worn out meme on this blog. It's unnecessary, imaginary, and illogical and it just keeps getting hashed over again, and again, and again, and again, and again.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I seriously don't get it.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    All right. Right now, we don't have enough to give him a new contract.

    He is wanting around 15 or 20 million guaranteed. We can't do that. That simple.

    The hope is we restructure a lot of peoples contracts but that is a big if.
    He is already talking about holding out. I don't blame him.

    Do not think for one second that we are not entertaining offers or if we do not try to trade him if he becomes a problem.

  • He's got A GODDAMN TAG tendered - if he chooses to sit out rather than play under the tag or negotiate a realistic tender, then that's his problem.
    $20 mil guaranteed over the life of the contract is NOT A PROBLEM. That has close to zero to do with his affordability under the cap.
    He simply cannot afford to hold out under the terms of this CBA. And if he does, by all accounts, we should have a backup that can carry some of the load by August.
    Fuck it, I'm done talking about it. I feel like Mike Wright when I was pestering him with the Wallace comments.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    If the 20 million is over the life of the contract then yes we will have no problems.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/sportsmoney/2011/08/08/will-the-new-cba-really-prevent-contract-holdouts-in-the-nfl/

    Players can still hold out. They just lose money.

  • That's my point - and playing under his 2nd round rookie contract, he really can't afford a full-season holdout.
    1) his reputation would take an enormous hit; most reasonable GMs don't want to pay through the nose for prima donnas
    2) he doesn't have that much banked; it's not like he was getting top-five pick money for the last four years.

    It would take a couple of weeks before he was twisting in the wind, and the Bears front office knows this. The leverage is completely on their side.

  • Take the 30k a day hit and spread that out over camp and see how long it takes him to lose an entire years salary - it happens very quickly. It's not a wise financial decision.

  • It's not an "if", btw, there is no one on god's green earth that is getting $20 mil guaranteed PER YEAR...you know this.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Did Mario get 20 or 25 million guaranteed? In his first year?

    I know Chicago can spread it out overtime...

    Forte can hold out and use money from sponsors.. Right? Granted it would eventually run out. We have the whole summer to find out how this goes down.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    What sponsors???
    He's not Michael Jordan ferchrisake....
    Who's he doing ads for - local dealerships in Chicago?

    His salary last year was something like $500k.
    At $30k A DAY, he'd have pissed away one year salary in about two weeks.
    It will NOT happen.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    First, let's establish that Mario is a premium DE, the best available defensive player in the largest FA class in NFL history this year, and now the highest paid player on his side of the ball.
    Forte has nothing in common with that.
    Second, here's the details via the Buffalo paper:
    "Williams got an initial signing bonus of $19 million. He gets a base salary this year of $5.9 million. In 2013, he gets an option bonus of $8 million, with a base salary of $6.5 million. In 2014, he gest a roster bonus of $10.6 million with a base salary of $1.9 million. In 2015, he gets a roster bonus of $1 million with a base salary of $12.1 million. In 2016, he gets a roster bonus of $2.5 million with a base salary of $11.5 million. In 2017, he gets a roster bonus of $3.5 million with a base salary of $11.4 million. He also has workout bonuses that amount to a total of $2.1 million over the first five years of the contract.
    Williams gets $53 million over the first three years of the contract. Chicago's Julius Peppers was the previous highest paid defensive player in NFL history. His contract called for $40.5 million the first three years. So that's a significant upgrade for Williams.
    The guarantees in a contract get a bit complicated. Money can be guaranteed against three events: injury (meaning the money is paid even if the player gets hurt), skill (meaning the player gets the money even if he gets cut because he's not good enough) and salary cap (meaning the player gets the money regardless of what cap problems the team encounters). The guarantee can count for any one or all of the three. In Williams' deal, the first $25 million is fully guaranteed. The next $25 million is guaranteed against injury only. Presuming he doesn't join a monastery in Tibet in the next year and he gets the $8 million option bonus, then $39.4 million will be guaranteed. The last $10.6 million guaranteed in 2014 is for injury only. Williams obviously is not going to get cut due to lack of skill. And the NFL is expected to see a big jump in the salary cap in two years when new television contracts kick in."

    If you want to split hairs, then sure there's $20 mil guaranteed if he plays next year, but that's against the span of a 6 year contract - it's not $20 mil guaranteed per year.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Like the crazy "Let's get Brandon Marshall" talk ? That was illogical and impossible too. Herschel Walker got traded. If the price is right anyone is up for sale. If Matt stays, cool. If he doesn't, cool. We'll be good either way.

  • Uh, no, I thought the Brandon Marshall trade was a no-brainer if the Phins were up for it...and because of his stability issues, it turns out they were. I thought it was absolutely a steal b/c I do believe Jay can keep him on the straight and narrow.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    Better at what? Running over people? Definitely. He should be cheaper than Forte - about half the price, no? And there is definitely a conversation to be had about whether or not to trade - especially if he holds out. Picks and cash to spend elsewhere. Definitely worth considering.

  • See above regarding the reality of Forte holding out.

  • Bo Jackson was really good in Tecmo Bowl. The only running back who could outrun the entire defense when they guessed your play and came with that all out blitz.

  • Irish, you are an idiot. I've mostly bitten my tounge and pointed out singular problems with your logic, but i'm done with that. You flat out don't understand football.

  • C'mon now 'stache.

  • Jeff, I wish you had given us some technical info on Webb in your schtick. I think the facts help us out much more than conjecture when discussing such an important position as LT at this point in time. I might be able to buy your argument after FA and the draft should the Bears not address the position. I think it's waaay to early to jump to the conclusion Tice is rolling with Webb.

    On Forte(Irish's comment's). I have not seen any credible reports on Matt holding out this year. #1 He can't do that without severe repercussions under the franchise tag. Todd Bell comes to mind. I think the Bears will roll without him and do just fine should he holdout. I don't think Matt's role will be the same with Marshall on board anyhow's. Not only can the Bears not afford to give him 57% of the offense for practical reasons, but it's just not gonna happen now that we have a #1 WR on board. I look to see the Bears get him under wraps before the draft.

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    Found this "Wimbley while a good pass rusher has only notched a double digit sack total once in his career. He's 28-years-old and at 6-foot-4 255-pounds would likely be a pass rushing only specialist for the Bears. He doesn't seem to be a fit as a base 4-3 DE meaning the Bears may pay a lot for a third down specialist."
    http://network.yardbarker.com/nfl/article_external/should_the_bears_make_a_big_run_for_kamerion_wimbley/10325188?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

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    This Wembley guy from Oakland, isn't he a 3-4 DE? Can he even play down?

  • In reply to Big Mike:

    DId you watch him play against us, when he destroyed Hanie?

    He can play down. He plays big.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    He killed us. Had like 3 or 4 sacks?

  • 1...one sack.

    4 tackles, one for a loss

  • Sorry, I was thinking of this year, you were obviously thinking of the 2010 preseason game...he did indeed have 4 sacks that game.

    Wait, who was playing LT for us that game?

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    In reply to gpldan:

    I did, but he was in a 3-4, not down. No question he's strong in the 3-4.

  • Peyton Manning personally contacted Dolphins on Thursday to advise them he wouldn't be signing with Miami, multiple sources have told me

  • per jeff darlington

  • Denver.

  • Having just traded away their #1 receiver ...well, that was kind of strange when you're trying to lure a top QB. Manning will likely sign with the Titans because they offered him a managerial role afterwards. Denver can't do that.

  • Your Boy Roy ‏ @yourboyroy Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    Brandon Marshall presser day today at 11am from Halas Hall. I'm sure the Bears beat folks are prepping their questions this morning.

  • I'm only going to say this one more time:
    Williams is ALREADY going to compete at Tackle this year. That is public knowledge and it's been confirmed multiple times.
    It's obvious that Tice is not content for the status quo at either Tackle spot, which is a good thing. However, if Webb beats out Carimi/Williams/a draft pick? for the LT spot, then guess what: Tice thinks he will work out.
    The last time we went out and dropped huge coin on a veteran LT, the guy got beat like a rented mule - this in spite of the fact that he was a future HOFer!
    Be careful what you wish for.

  • Adam Schefter ‏ @AdamSchefter Reply Retweeted Favorite · Open
    A plane is flying to Durham from Denver. Peyton Manning is in Durham. Broncos coming from Denver.

  • Bears tight ends coach Mike DeBord ran drills for wide receivers at Missouri's pro day Thursday. He was there to look at tight end Michael Egnew, who had 140 receptions the last two seasons.

  • Manning a Bronco is too fucked up to contemplate.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCidYX5YAQ4

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    That was so brilliant it left me speechless

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I've watched many of those now and that one was the best thing I've ever seen.

    I would die content if they replaced Fox News, MSNBC and Headline News with that format tomorrow.

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    In reply to MB30SD:

    Had to watch twice.. Awesome

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    hahaha that's so much better than the crap our sports networks shovel out.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Woot!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    i just said
    good one
    and punched
    comment
    but the troll
    rejected it
    cause I used it
    once already today

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Tebow's the kind of guy who'll take it on the chin and learn from a pro and it might make him more like Elway in years to come. It would be good for him. Manning probably ends up in a wheel chair after he gets pummelled pretty good. He'll be on tv adverts talking like Stephen Hawking asking people to be aware of spinal injuries. Like he should have been.

  • oh I bet he takes it on the chin... balls that is.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    ZING!

  • Maybe Cutty can share his insulin with BM

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/chi-borderline-personality-disorder-20120314,0,4191895.story

  • Holy crap... the Brandon Marshall rap sheet makes for a long read.

    http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-03-14/sports/chi-brandon-marshalls-rap-sheet-20120314_1_brandon-marshall-rasheedah-watley-press-charges

    And what pisses me off, about the legal system in general, is even when charges are dropped that shit stays on your record.

    Not that, uh, it's happened to me.

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    It's a travesty, to be honest. Either you were charged and found guilty or you weren't. But society gets to fuck you over regardless of the legal outcome.

    I hate it.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Unless you're a pro athlete, in which case you get as many chances as your talent allows.
    But that's a different discussion.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    society
    this is not
    a humane society
    it means nothing
    throw it out
    like dirty dishwater

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    Speaking of dropped charges, where's Fres ?

  • hee hee

  • So did Michael Bush come and go? What are we doing at running back? We don't have a single back that is on the roster ready to play right now.

    Forte - Rumors starting of a holdout (probably won't happen, but there's a risk)
    Barber - Thinks he's gone in Chicago, fans want him gone, but still on roster (we could keep him, but that can't be our first choice)
    Bell - Given a low tender, could be picked up by another team and we likely won't match a high offer (not gonna happen either, but again there's a risk).

    So we do not have a single RB on the roster right now that's happy and ready to take the field.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    I think we'll lose Bush to the Bengals and I really haven't seen anything solid linking Tolbert to us. It sounded like he was either going to re-up with San Diego or go to the Chiefs - which would give them a pretty scary running attack if/when Charles gets healthy.

    So, I will be a little surprised if Barber is released. I think we'll know we signed somebody else when the tweets start flying that he is gone, obviously.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    You think Jamaal comes back as the back he once was?

  • In reply to gpldan:

    No, but then again, neither do the Chiefs. I think they're scared shitless about his medical status but the upside if he comes back healthy is too big to risk releasing him.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    Keep barber. Irish constantly in our ear about forte and his handling of this... and what we could potentially get for him... has started to ware me down. Sorry Dave.

    I'd at least be interested in hearing any offers. Problem is, once you do that, cat’s out the bag and then a trade is basically going to happen.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Don't start selling your stocks to buy gold - and don't listen to the shit about Forte holding out.
    It's nonsense. He would be utterly insane to shit his entire 2011 salary down the drain in the duration of a training camp holdout.
    And that's how quickly it would happen.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Forte should talk to former Buccaneers' running back, James Wilder, and see how well sitting out a season worked for him.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Dude, there's nothing left to talk about. Literally. Whining about Olsen worked. Whining for Marshall for three years worked out pretty good too. Webb is always good for a rant. Jefe has Olsen-like hopes for him so he's got to ride that train into the ground. If we get a good draft in there's nothing left to whine about. We're almost set.

    I don't dislike Forte, how could you? He has value at this point in his career and if somebody wants to go Ricky Williams on his ass then I won't be crying into my lucky charms, that's all. If he stays or goes, it's all good.

  • aye ladie yer lucky chaaarms.

    You're irish... luck charms... get it?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    smh

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Kate Upton is magically delicious.... I bet

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Let me start by saying I do not support trading Forte. I trust Emery to get him signed, I have seen nothing to suggest Emery is being cheap (see Kellen Davis), but I do suspect Forte is looking for too much money.

    Given the luke warm interest in running backs this year, I gotta think Forte won't get a whole lot on the trade market. Especially since whatever team picks him up will have to deal with the same contract issues.

    If Forte really wants to get paid... Miami, Cleveland and Jacksonville might be interested. But would they give up serious compensation for him?

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    Quit bringing logic into this.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    Hughes? Ungabunga? That other kid with an A in his name?

  • Armando Allen - slippery little shit - I liked him last year.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    For a Domer, the kid was ok

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Definitely not a starter or even a backup, but he made an intriguing 3rd back.

  • Here's my Irish-Worthy Conspiracy Meme of the Day (IWCMoD)

    Marshall and Cutty cook up a scheme whereby they pay a crazy bitch to throw a bottle at Marshall's woman in the club and allege an assault, although after further investigation all charges are dropped, to incite the Dolphins to ship him to the Bears for a pair of threes. Emery, being an untrustworthy dolt, is actually an unwitting accomplice in this. Cutler anonymously texts Emery the words "Call Miami in 10 minutes" to move it along.

    Thoughts?

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Would explain the need for secrecy the last few months at Halas.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    awesome.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    IWCMoD - it's catchy. I like.

    I was just thinking about that while watching Eisen talk about the 'fracas' and then mentioning that two days later he's a Bear? Is that timeline right? Did Philbin dump Marshall - as I knew he would at somestage because he basically said he would - for that specific incident? Sweet.

    Then I was looking at the Arizona miracle video again just now ..... so play with this - fuck it, I just turned 40, call it my crisis ... play with it ...

    ... Hester runs back a kick or a punt or whatever the fuck it was, and then it hits me ... it was 2006! That's 6 fucking years ago man. When Hester was running back kicks, there was a kid born, and now he's grown up a bit and he's thinking about maybe what he'd like to be when he grows up. The kid, not Hester ... anyways six years is a long time.

    {Get to the point Irish! The boys are queueing up for MW3 online and my wife is baying for sex at the door...}

    Hester's into us for a few dollars ... and they're receiving dollars, which he doesn't do anymore. The kickoff rules have changed. Devin doesn't do what Devin did. He's not much use as a receiver ... so if we somehow offload him and maybe trade/cut Barber ... we could perhaps sign Michael Bush, keep Forte, and get our third round pick.

    How about them apples? A backfield full of bangers with the finesse of Monsieur Forte .......

    The defence for Michael Bush rests its case your Honour.

  • Oh, and we have Special Agent Weeks to return kicks now.

    BTW - check this out. 21 of Marshall's receptions. Wait, they all came in the same game. He is the Anti-Olsen, talk about YAC.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSxTV9Ol-Xk&feature=related

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I fucking love this.

  • I'm just assuming we get Forte done with a backloaded deal with a roster clause. Somewhere in there, you have 15 to 20 guaranteed.

    That gives us Forte, Bell and Allen - which to me, is good enough. Bell with Clutts is enough short yardage push for me.

    Outside of that, guys like Jackie Battle are available, but no better than Bell. Tolbert is too much coin, and he's staying put, Chiefs have Hillis with Charles now, that could be interesting, I think Hillis was a flash in the pan.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Another reason to somehow get Bush and Forte into our backfield. One-back teams are dead.

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    In reply to gpldan:

    Am I the only one that thinks the Bears should keep Barber? I think he is as good as anyone out there. He's a bruiser. Yeah he single handedly cost us a couple games, but fumbling has not been an issue for him, his whole career.

  • In reply to Big Mike:

    No you are not.

    People are going to be reminded of 2010 when we had to rely on Chester Taylor for goal line and 3rd and short.

    Forte had only 3 rushing touchdowns. Scary thought.

  • In reply to Big Mike:

    I favor keeping Barber, but I would probably favor letting him go in favor of Bush. If Barber is released, he'll get signed somewhere. He carried our offense after Forte went down, somebody noticed that.

  • In reply to Big Mike:

    I've ben advocatin for him since he came here. Love him, want to keep him.

  • In reply to Big Mike:

    one mistake doeas not
    expunge the talent
    your body posses
    we do not need
    to replace barber
    just educate people /players
    in the huddle
    about what should happen
    cutlers job
    and he will do it
    hanie failed
    and that is why he is gone

  • In reply to Big Mike:

    I like Barber. He had two fumbles last year and the Denver game was a really good strip. By going out of bounds he got us higher draft picks.

  • I give up, Blogfather. Who do you consider their LAST legitimate #1 receiver?

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    And PLEASE don't say "Willie Gault".

  • Did you guys hear Mully's little pissing match with Emery? It was kind of funny.

    Mully: Is going out and making a big move for Marshall indicative of you style of managing, or do you a build through the draft, what is this indicative of?

    Emery: It's indicative of there being a player that fits into the plans and fits with this organization that can help this organization, then we will go get that player.

    Mully (not letting it go): Would you say that big free agents is going to be your style, do you prefer this type of team building approach?

    Emery: Was there a question in there?

    Mully: Was there an answer in your last response?

    It was funny. Emery comes off, in public anyway, as kind of a slow-wit.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Brilliant. I like him more now.

  • I assume everyone saw the tweet that Wimbley should be on the open market later this afternoon?

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I know what he can do (and what he did do to Hanie), but is he really the guy we're looking for opposite pep?

    I think I'd much rather have a freeney or mathis over there. A true monster DE, not a hybrid.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    yes, yes he is imo.

  • In reply to Shady:

    ok. I don't know enough either way.

    Where were you last night? Man, I am soooo rusty on MW3, it's bad. Like my reflexes are really slow. (yeah yeah, even slower than before)

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    haha I was tearing it up in BF3 with some buddies from work, got into some serious dog fights Top Gun style. WHERE IS HE GOOSE!?!? haha still probably not as bad as some other folks we know... oops.

  • Well I'd just like to observe that you seem to defend Webb or at least make excuses for him as you have seemed to defend Angelo in the past.

    Sorry Blog Father I cannot buy what you're selling. Webb is a bust at this point. Note, I'm not saying he cannot improve but we need the O-line fixed RIGHT NOW not next year not 2 years from now. The NOW fix would be a veteran free-agent to fill the gap with Webb as a back up on the strong side.

    This reinforced with at least one or two great O-line picks in the draft to shore p the rest of the cracks. I don't believe in Webb...at least not this season as a starter. I DO believe in Tice but I think he utilized Webb because he had NO CHOICE...you have to work with the tools you have and we need WAY BETTER TOOLS.

  • In reply to Bears-4-Ever:

    150% B4. Exactamundo my LA-bounce brother.

    Oh, this is for Johnny:

    BradBiggs38 minutes agoMarshall asked if he fears chance NFL will suspend him: "Absolutely not."

    See that. No suspention I guess. Wonder if the beast called goodell to tell him.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    LA-bound

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    There has to be another side to this story. I'm interested to find out why this particular woman was involved. I'd like to know if this woman was involved with the other "athlete" that was getting into it with Marshall. Further more i'd like to know if this woman was the one who took a champagne bottle to Mrs Marshall. I would never hit a woman but at 4am i'd certainly consider it if she had drilled my wife in the face with a champagne bottle. I say champagne because I doubt that they were drinking Yellow Tail at 4am at a high end club.

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    that was my thought maings. She was the one who hit his wife, so he retaliated.

    Yeah, I've never hit a chick, but I'm fiercely protective of my family and have a long temper, but once you get me there. I probably would have done the same thing if I’m being honest with myself.

  • In reply to Bears-4-Ever:

    Grab a torch, meet us outside.

    Seriously Jefe - you carried a cross for Olsen (calling us unintelligent for not 'seeing' what you saw), Angelo ... and now Webb .... there's nothing left to say, other than I'm very glad Emery is our GM.

  • As much as I hate to admit it.. I still back Jeff on the whole Olsen thing. GReg should have been the WR experiment, not Hester.

  • In reply to EnderWiggin:

    very interesting Ender, i'm intrigued and would certainly subscribe to your newsletter....

    Greg would have been a decent WR in the slightly split end/slot like Gates. Oh well, now we have one of the most dominant WR's in recent memory....ruh roh.

  • In reply to EnderWiggin:

    Conjecture and BS-ing is ok when discussing intangible's but dismissing a guys performance at LT as young and inexperienced just doesn't cut it with me. This is the NFL. Do I want Webb to miraculously turn into a beast? Heck yeah. Do I think he will? Nope. I've seen absolutely nada from him to make me believe the guy has the instinct's or talent to do anything else but fill a void.

    Olsen was a good TE on a team with a BAD WR corp. End of story. He was not the answer, EVER.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    thank you trac. 100%

    Well done.

    btw, you should have seen all the hartabees biltong and warthog boerewors I ate. Man, I think I took 10 years off my life.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Until now, I have refused to let my mind go there MB. Torture, absolute torture.

    Lelekker Yummi!

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    it was good... really good.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    I'll point this out once more b/c I was too subtle the first time.
    Webb - Wimbley = 1 sack
    Williams - Wimbley = 4 sacks

    Who's the scrub?

  • In reply to EnderWiggin:

    Agree 150% on GReg being a better choice to convert to WR than the Flyer.

  • In reply to EnderWiggin:

    You sir, are crazy.

    Back in the day I was advocating the dude get on jenny craig and get down to 230.

    He was 6'5" 255 and ran a 4.5 40. He could have been a WR experiment. Too bad he's a whale's vagina.

  • How bout this?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EdqQjm3_9E&feature=related

  • I'm not going to outright refute the emerging sentiment that "the Bears are Super Bowl contenders now with Brandon Marshall" but I am genuinely interested in the opinion of someone who supports this statement regarding:

    A. What constitutes a SB Contender?
    B. What benchmark probability of winning the super bowl must a team meet or exceed to consider themselves a contender. Or, more simply put - What kind of Vegas odds does a team need to be considered a contender?
    C. How many "super bowl contenders" are there each year on average? How many this year?

    I only ask because I wouldn't call the Bears a super bowl contender, but that is at least part influenced by my strict definition of super bowl contender.

  • In reply to thebigcheese:

    Technically, every team is supposed to have the opportunity to be contenders each and every year but that is very pollyanic and not realistic. The Bills will be a contender this year don't you think?

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    I don't consider the Bill to be a contender, because I only think there are a handful of teams that you could reasonably consider. I might call the Bills a playoff contender, to be relevant in the playoff hunt, but I don't know about the Super Bowl. But I also didn't consider the New York Giants to be a Super Bowl contender at the start of last season (or really at almost any point last season). I was just trying to get a feel for how people define Super Bowl Contender.

    If I had to make a subjective list of Super Bowl contenders, it would be

    Green Bay
    New York Giants
    Baltimore
    New England
    New Orleans (before this offseason started)
    Philadelphia
    Pittsburgh

    I would personally put the Bears in the same class as Detroit, San Francisco, Atlanta, Houston, San Diego and NYJ.

  • In reply to thebigcheese:

    I think that's a reasonably fair assessment.

    Not so sure about pitt or the gints. Not sure about you guys. You're set up for a fall-off, not sure if it will be this year or next though. No empirical evidence cause you are bringing most everyone back, just a gut feel.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I would personally put the Bears in the same class as Detroit, San Francisco, Atlanta, Houston, San Diego and NYJ.

    The Niners need to go up a class, given Jimmy's trajectory and the talent there.

    I agree the Bears are in a middle class with the Falcons, Chargers and Lions.

    The Texans are considered "contenders" and many are saying "this is their year", so they seem to have ascended into that nebulous contender class.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    With the Texans putting dynamite to their offensive line, losing Williams, and putting too much money in Foster's basket, I have a hard time seeing them as serious contenders for the title, but all it takes is a playoff spot to be in the mix.
    See: Giants 2007/2011.

  • In reply to thebigcheese:

    Anyone who has the ability to beat any team in the NFL with both teams playing well and having a solid gameplan.

    The reality is any given Sunday anyone can win. But a Superbowl contender is someone who would be considered to have a legitimate chance to win no matter who they play.

    Sigh unseen I think the Packers, Lions and Bears are all contenders in our division. They've got the offensive tools to beat anyone in the league. I think the Bears have the edge on defense among those three teams, but there are arguments to favor the other two as well.

    Take away the two offensive stars on any of those three teams and you no longer have a contender. Although I think the Pack would be the least hurt by that as they spread the ball so well - but imagine last year if those two stars were Rodgers and Flynn (see Houston).

  • In reply to thebigcheese:

    I would say a much more accurate and reasonable statement would be that the bears with ALL of their current and near-future FA and draft acquisitions have a very good chance to be PLAYOFF contenders... baring catastrophic injuries like the ones we had last year. And once you’re into the playoffs it’s anyone’s game (just ask NE)

    (although, I bet you a dollar we would have made the playoffs with Campbell instead of hanie)

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    The only problem with the "playoff" contender label (and this does not apply to Chicago) is that you have some teams in a weak division that could make the playoffs, but won't do anything when they get there without a lot of luck.

    Seattle got lucky when they beat New Orleans last year, for example, but nobody expected them to do anything beyond that. Likewise Denver this year...

  • In reply to thebigcheese:

    i think super bowl contender
    is a concept that writers and sportscasters use
    based on previous performance
    of each teams available talent
    that being said
    injuries can turn a contender
    into a pretender
    look beneath each roster of starters
    and judge that talent
    then look to the coaching staff
    to implement a proper response
    lady luck is at the door
    escorting every superbowl champion
    into her boudior
    and spending one night
    with the eventual champion
    then sending him
    downstairs to the street
    reminding him he has
    less $ now than before
    he came

  • In reply to thebigcheese:

    ???

    Barring injury to our QB last year we were a contender.

    1. Wahington beat the SB champions twice.

    2. We have a defense, which is generally required to win a SB. NE and GB found that out

    3. The fact that our team will be VASTLY improved this year, not only makes us contenders but NFC favorites IMO.

    4. Vegas odds are irrelevant to a team's actual chances. I saw GB at 6/4 at one point last year - they might as well have been 33/1 without a defense.

  • A. What constitutes a SB Contender?
    Answer= MAKING it to the Super Bowl when you are 15-1 and not shitting the bed before you get there.

  • In reply to BAM46Blitz:

    That would make you a super bowl participant, not a contender.

  • In reply to thebigcheese:

    In order to CONTEND for the SB, you MUST participate. Which the Pack did NOT.

  • In reply to BAM46Blitz:

    So the only super bowl contenders are the Giants and the Patriots? Or are we only talking about XLVII in which case there are no super bowl contenders?

  • In reply to thebigcheese:

    Nice job not taking the bait, Cheese.

  • In reply to BAM46Blitz:

    Shit just got real.

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    hahahahaha

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUH3JQjcweM

  • So far Webb as been a fail-ya.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVwIHhUgm5w&feature=related

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    Jeff's argument that Webb has seen some sort of trajectory, and that the trajectory has been uniformly upward, is just flawed.

    At times, he seemed to utterly regress. What happened against Jared Allen is reason enough to demote, if not look to waive him.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    +1

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Da blogfader may be wrong about Webby, but at least he's sticking to his guns.

  • In reply to Shady:

    Admitting when you got something wrong is a thousand times more admirable. Continuing to try and dig your way out of a hole is as it sounds.

  • Holy shit, Rabbit.

    How was the biltong?!?!?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I hate to say it but I was really unimpressed with it; hopefully it's just that brand. I was expecting spicier, and alot less gummy-ish. Maybe if I make my own I can get what I wanted.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    And whatever cut of meat they were using had way too much connective tissue in it. It was less pleasant than regular jerky in that regard.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    yeah, I was worried about that.

    The stuff here is a mere shaddow of the real deal. Something about the meat you use for the real stuff just came from being chased by hungry lions maybe.

  • I thought this was pretty funny (last sentence especially):

    "dabearsblog If Broncos sign Manning why not keep Tebow, unless $ involved? Are we that convinced Peyton will be durable? Great situation for the Christ."

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I think he meant Tebus.

  • In reply to Shady:

    yes, I know. thank you for the translation Shady.

    Man, you are so getting a fucking haji tonight.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    actually, it worked either way.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    haha you get laid yet?

  • In reply to Shady:

    bastard. I refuse to answer that on the grounds that it may incriminate me.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    hahaha i'm just bustin' your balls maing

  • In reply to Shady:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJztXj2GPfk

  • Does anyone remember me saying Peyton Manning should be 49er?

    Shit just got real.

    49ers talking to Manning.

  • OK now that's a scary thought. That would almost be like if the '05-'06 Bears had Manning instead of Grossman at the helm.

  • So, in all of this, did Kolb did his deadline or what?

    Kolb is Mr. Feel No Love. Everywhere he goes, ownership is looking to upgrade at the first chance they can.

    He and Alex Smith should sing a duet

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVKKRzemX_w

  • In reply to gpldan:

    along with Kyle "dave grohl' Orton on drums?

  • Alex Smith was the worst QB in the league. I guess he still is.

  • We have simply never had this level of dominating talent at the WR position. This takes an offense and adds a "did he just fucking do that?" factor to it.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPEN6FiS9_Q

    You know that when your highlight reel is almost 10 minutes long and almost every play is a holy shit play you have found the answer.

    Fucking Angelo.

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    damn.

    Was that Mike Brown ke beat in the first couple plays?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    think so. The control this guy has over this body is simply out of this world. If he is not suspended, which he shouldn't be unless more comes out, the Bears have just put 2012 on fucking notice.

    "NFL opponents, the window is still open and we're coming in to molest you"

    Ha! so wrong.

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    wow.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    do you think teams will ever be foolish enough to have a one on one match up on Marshall? KD and Bennett should have record years.

    Marshall is the Julius Peppers of the offense.

    Jay has got to be pretty fucking pumped right now. He's got an OC that listens, a QB coach that can help rekindle the fire with Jay and Brandon and Chicago fans that can make this guy feel the love if he comes out of the gate strong.

    The defensive window is still open, strong returners, more FA pickups to come, a draft that could result in a monster DLineman or WR, etc.

    The Bears are once again a legitimate threat to go to the playoffs....and once again that means that according to Peter King we will be 8-8.

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    if we're lucky. He'll probably have us at 7-9.

    we need a franchise (or at least a better than average LT) and another interior guy, maybe at center.

    Oh, and Mark barron please.

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    I've alwyas knew BM was a beast downfield. Breaking tackles, going after it and whatnot. The last few days of watching all of the highlight vids, I have noticed BM is just as good in the short game and mid-feild routes. Most WRs get the ball and start freaking out. They will sprint in a straight line, dive twoard nothingness, make a b-line for the first down marker. But not BM.. as soon as he catches the ball he looks for a teammate to get behind. He has crazy awesome vision.

  • Thinking oooohhh...."FOOkMI" O-Line!!

    30 out of 32...F$#!$#@!$%!@KKKKKKK

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1075548-br-nfl-1000-top-32-left-guards

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    I just thought I would drink a gallon of gasoline and then piss on the fire while talking about how great our O-Line is...

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    btw..wasn't he on the market!?
    #7
    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1075548-br-nfl-1000-top-32-left-guards/page/27

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    oh sheite wasn't he on the market too!?
    #1
    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1075548-br-nfl-1000-top-32-left-guards/page/33

  • Looks like the Vikings are challenging Irish's dream Bears roster for the title of best basketball team in the NFC North.

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/16/vikings-add-speedy-former-point-guard/

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    The comments on that story are wonderfully cynical. Add not being a Vikings fan to your list of blessings.

  • In reply to Jokey:

    the first one was my favorite:

    "thankheavenfornumberseven says:

    The pieces are in place."

  • Anyone want to see Rome get punked?

    http://youtu.be/9HNgqQVHI_8

  • Corvette guy take is funny

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OT7vLcaqx9s&feature=related

    Man, I can't stand Corvette guy...

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Living in L.A., I know exactly who he's talking about. Corvette Guy usually has a bluetooth on at all times too, because, ya know, he's that "important".

  • dude's a fucking punk. dbag.

  • McNeill looks like he's considering the Lions or Chiefs...

    http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/55495/would-marcus-mcneill-fit-with-chiefs

    We need to sign this guy.

    Cards are rolling with Kolb, so Denver, Ten and SF are now Manning destinations, until he changes his mind.

    Also, reports are, that Manning is not gonna take a neck discount. Reportedly seeking a 90M contract.

  • 1. Agree
    2. What about demitrus bell?
    3. Holy fuck

  • There it is: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/football/nfl/03/16/kamerion.wimbley.release.ap/index.html?sct=nfl_t2_a8

    Go get him phil!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Wow, C Scot Wells, LB Tulloch, Manningham and Tolbert still out there.

    In any other FA class, they'd be signed already.

  • yeah man, there is TONS of talent left out there... if only we were the bengals.... wait...

  • http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/peter_king/03/08/top.50.free.agents/index.html?eref=sircrc

  • Also...

    http://tracking.si.com/2012/03/16/chicago-bears-have-been-contacted-about-brandon-marshall-incident/?sct=nfl_t2_a13

  • Steltz is back

  • Steltz remains a Bear per The Score.

    Good. He outperformed Wright in my eyes, and is a solid SPteamer.

  • Two year deal according to Da Site.
    http://www.chicagobears.com/news/NewsStory.asp?story_id=8693

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    I seriously think we should start Steltz and make Wright uproot him.

    1) Steltz really impressed me late last season
    2) Wright always gets injured, so I'd rather have him at the end of the season and possibly the playoffs.
    3) Maybe it'll finally light a fire in that boy's ass.

  • I agree. I'm also curious how Conte is going to turn out. As I recall, some folks here were advocating #8 here to shore up our safety position. While it's still early yet for him, so far, not so good...

    http://www.businessinsider.com/8-nfl-combine-phenoms-who-flopped-2012-2?utm_source=inpost&utm_medium=seealso&utm_term=&utm_content=3&utm_campaign=recirc#

  • http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/peter_king/03/08/top.50.free.agents/index.html?sct=nfl_t2_a3

    How about one or more of these guys (Bell would be my top choice):
    * Brandon Lloyd
    * Chris Myers (C)
    * Scott Wells (C)
    * DEMITRIUS BELL!?!? (LT)
    * Tracy Porter
    * Curtis Lofton
    * Mario Manningham
    * Abram Elam (S)

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I thought the Bills franchised Bell?

  • not according to this? You and erik are the scoop-men. You tell me!

    Also this has nothing to do with anything I've just written or that we're discussing but I thought it was cute and funny: http://www.buzzfeed.com/briannas/12-year-old-speaks-the-truth-about-plain-donuts-1k5t

    (yes, I said cute. I do have a 3 year old daughter and I'm not tragically hip any more)

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    yeah well she hasn't had the opportunity to bite that bad boy and then smooth it our with a 16 oz Americano....

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Bell is average. Better than Webb but asking for money like Jake Long.

  • Wow, Burfict bombed his Pro Day too.

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/16/vontaze-burfict-bombs-his-pro-day-too/

    I've never see a prospect go from the 1st round to no round. Wow.

    Maybe take a chance on him in the 6/7th since we're good at K and P.

    (BTW, not that it matters, but it's supposedly a really great class for Ks and Ps, FYI)

  • 4E85...saw that too...

    DAMN THAT BOY IS GOING DOWN IN FLAMES!!!!!

  • smh. jesus man.

    I've never seen anything like that.

    Dudes that are as lazy and undisciplined as him usually have the basic smarts to wait until AFTER they've been drafted to make a total runny shit of themselves.

    (I'm looking at you jamarcus)

    ((we should pick him up after the draft for a coke and a smile anyway and see what lach and briggsy can do with him))

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I love this comment below one of the articles:

    "I would draft him, because he is the meanest player in the draft. He is the anti-tebow."

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Yeah, it's like seeing Madonna in a movie: unbearable.

    I can't think of anyone who's done a kamikaze dive like Burfict.

    Not more than a month ago, experts were mocking him to the Ravens, Jets, Eagles in the 1st.

    There's some pretty horrible Ds out there though who would still risk drafting him in the later round (cough cough, Lions)

  • ha. Madona was in a movie?!

  • I wouldn't touch him - no way.

  • Not a bad idea, just put him on ST.

  • and now something different:

    hugh!? a GM who seems to be active and thinking not just today but changing for next year...you mean a professional GM? how about that..

    http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/bears/post/_/id/4675543/emery-gets-creative-preparing-for-draft#more

  • According to Watler Football...

    Eric Winston, OT, Texans. Age: 28.
    Eric Winston is a talented right tackle who would be a great fit for any team running a zone-blocking system. He surrendered seven sacks in 2011, but four came when T.J. Yates was inserted into the lineup, so that number is inflated. Winston's best trait is his reliability; he hasn't missed a start since 2006.

    Marcus McNeill, OT, Chargers. Age: 28.
    Marcus McNeill is a top-tier tackle if healthy. The problem is that he's missed 12 games in the past two seasons. In addition to two knee surgeries, McNeill had a serious neck injury that knocked him out for the year in 2011. McNeill will be a high-risk, high-reward signing.

    Demetrius Bell, OT, Bills. Age: 28.
    Demetrius Bell, base-born in Philadelphia, surrendered just one sack in six starts last year. Bell has had knee issues throughout his career, so while the Bills should re-sign him, they should also be careful.

    http://walterfootball.com/freeagents2012OT.php

  • I'll take any of the above $.

    Seriously though, please.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Take a shot at McNeil. Winston is a RT.

  • From Pro Football talk...

    According to Chris Russell of ESPN 980 Washington, the Redskins did host free agent offensive tackle Demetrius Bell on Friday.

    Bell’s career has been riddled with injuries, but he’s a gifted tackle with long-term starting potential. Bell goes 6-foot-5, 307 and is athletic for his size. He will only be 28 years old when the season starts.

    The league must not thing especially highly of him, though. Bell’s only other known visit was with the offensive line-needy Arizona Cardinals, and they signed Adam Snyder instead.

  • Is it me our does Elway have a Mannyboner!?

  • hmmm...keep hearing mixed reviews like this about Wimbley

    Raider Fan "He did have 4 outta 7 sacks in one game Bill. And he's not worth the amount of cash he wants. He is too much of a one dimentional LB. Good pass rusher and gets pushed aside on the run, non exsistent against it. Liked Wimbley but too steep of a price. Best of luck"

    He's 6'4 260, and we need a pass rusher (Izzy is actually great against the run), so maybe it's a good marriage.

    I just wonder how much Wimbley is asking for?

  • mathis or freeney

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Only thing MB - Freeney is what, 31? Wimbley is 28.

    Freeney did have 8.5 sks, but onlyl like 27tks last year. How much will he cost? And can he play LE?

    Mathis resigned with the Colts (which is odd to me since they're switching to a 3-4).

  • Yeah, since we signed Izzy, in theory a pass-rush specialist would be okay.

  • Those four sacks were against us too.

  • No, Irish, they weren't.

    He had 1 sack against us last year.
    One.

    Third time I've pointed this out, but you are thinking of the preseason game in 2010 where he kicked Chris Williams ass all over the field.

  • Zach Zaidman on The Score made a few calls to NY and according to him, found out that the police are no longer seeking to speak with Marshall and are now more interested in the woman who made the reports.

    This is good news. Hope Zaidman's sources are accurate.

    Wake up call to Beast: Stay out of the clubs, homie!

  • Trying to touch a lot of bases here. Forte will sign and play. $7.7 mil. Who walks away from that? Tice will do the best with whatever we have. In Tice we Trust. Marshall does not get charged and does not get suspended. It was 4 AM. If the cops don't have anything by now, they aren't going to have it ever. It's all he says, she says and everyone was fucked up. If that woman hit Marshall's wife with a bottle, fucking A right he smacked her. Good on him.

    I was in a brawl years ago and a woman that was with the guys we were brawling with pulled me down from behind by my hair (I was a hippie at the time). I got on my feet and kicked her in the side as hard as I could. All the air rushed out of her lungs and she hit the deck. We kept scrapping till the cops showed up. She wasn't anymore trouble after she hit the deck. Not once in my life have I felt bad about that. If you get in the middle of a brawl, you get what you get. Fuck her.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    http://youtu.be/6onrfJJe_-I

  • Funny stuff. I would never advocate hitting women and I've only had the one experience but never say never.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    The next video... yikes.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yl8g8S6F3do&feature=fvwp&NR=1

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    "You can't beat a womsn like a child or animal, slapping them left and right."

    Dang. How do they beat their children?

    "Don't beat a woman in her face, making it ugly."

    Yeah, don't want to turn yourself off!

    Yikes indeed.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Would you walk away if your brother was getting paid more than you and you thought you were better?

    If he is not signing it because he wants to make sure he gets that deal.

  • If he walks away from it he gets nothing and he will get the franchise tag again the next year. Zero incentive to walk away. Everyone always says, "It's not the money, it's the principle." The translation is simple, it's always the money.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    hahahahaha! Yeah Canada!

    I thought you were going to say you kicked her right in her pussy.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    No, it was crazy. There were 4 of them (+ her) and 3 of us. Everyone was drunk as hell. I got up on my feet and kind of lunged at the guy I was fighting with, he stopped dead in his tracks and I whirled around and she was coming up on me again. It was blind luck that I caught her about a foot below her armpit. It was a roundhouse kick that landed solidly. It had to hurt. When I started back in with the other guy you could tell he was pretty worried that I was insane. Luckily the cops were coming (it was after the wrestling matches in the parking lot outside the stadium). I was about 20. My best friend at the time was one of the other guys. He was a power lifter. He was 6'5" and about 250-275 at the time (may he RIP). He kicked the holy hell out of 2 guys. Not my proudest moment but if you don't do stupid shit at that age, when are you going to do stupid shit?

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Here's a reenactment of Canada rumble...

    http://youtu.be/laSOB7d2m-Y

  • Movie fights sure are stupid

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    Yes they are. Really any fight is stupid. That's why I haven't been in one in almost 40 years.

    I'm guessing some of the Bears older players and coaching staff will talk to Marshall about the Chicago night life. I'm sure there are plenty of places for Marshall to have a good time and not end up in the spotlight. He did OK last year in Miami and that's not exactly Hooterville (well in one way it is).

  • On an FA note, I'm really hoping Tulluch doesn't resign with the Lions or that they really over pay. He's their only decent LB.

    I'm also happy C Scott Wells has bolted form GB.

    And the Vikes signing a basketball player to play CB is just comedy gold.

    Man, I'm a happy Bear fan right about now.

  • Rams agreed to terms with former Packers free agent center Scott Wells.

  • From the Official Page.

    "Steltz performed well as a starter late last season after injuries sidelined Major Wright and Chris Conte. The 6-1, 210-pounder recorded 37 tackles in the final five games, third on the Bears behind Pro Bowl linebackers Brian Urlacher (44) and Lance Briggs (41).

    Steltz forced fumbles in back-to-back games against the Chiefs and Broncos, the second coming on a sack of Tim Tebow that turned into a takeaway when defensive end Israel Idonije recovered the ball.

    Steltz also ranked fourth on the Bears with 12 special-teams tackles despite seeing little if any action on the punt and kick coverage units while starting on defense the final four games."

    This is what I saw too. Unlike Wright, I don't have to worry about Steltz lowering his head down like a ram and whiffing or injuring himself.

    He needs to cover a bit better, but his instincts and knowledge should speed up Steltz a bit.

  • BTW, 37 TKS in 5 games roughly avg to 7tks/game, which projected over 16 games, would give Steltz about 112 tackles for the year (not counting his sp teams tkls.)

  • Be careful, certain people out may object to you pointing out too many good things about a white safety.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    Oddly enough, our resident white safety...

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Ha!

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Nah dude, MB is Indian. Of the non-native variety. You didn't know that?

  • I will be perfectly honest here and admit that the biggest issueI have with Steltz is still the lung-crushing hit that he put on Tillman a couple of years ago.
    He's a perfectly serviceable safety; I see no reason to discard him at SS.

    That being said, unless Landry signed with somebody already and I missed it - THAT guy is my number #1 choice at this point in FA.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Washington Redskins dumped Landry to sign Merriweather.

    Granted, the Skins are idiotic, but that raises red flags.

    His Hulk-like physhique also raises red flags.

    The fact that other good evaluators who need SS more than us (the Pats) haven't signed him yet, ditto.

    If he comes at a bargain price, I'm all for it. But dude is as inj prone as Mike Brown and his posse.

  • Just b/c my achilles tendon is like a piece of beef jerky doesn't mean you have to make light of it...

  • Burfict did 16 reps at 225 at Pro Day.

    16? The minimum is 20, and that's low end.

    He's got no game. He's a punk. He will be a URFA, we can sign him then.

  • On the Forte note.

    He CAN hold out, but with the new penalties, he won't hold out.

    However, he CAN bitch about all through training camp, preseason and the regular season. This can create a VERY big distraction in locker room (just see CJ, Hillis, Jackson last year).

    No, he's not the bitching type, but that won't mean the media won't pester every player after every game, asking, "Do you think Forte will now get a contract?" Esp if Forte performs well.

    This is a headache the Bears DON'T need.

  • I was going to write an article about Vontaze Burfict ... I was watching some tape of 2010 and 2011.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwKrdgwL7g0

    The tape on him 2010 was pretty good. The tape in 2011 was okay.

    I have never seen a guy dive, lead with his head, or make so many big/horrible plays.

    One minute he reads and reacts like a genius.. then the next he is getting destroyed or coming down in the lane and getting blocked by a OL.

    I can't grade this guy.. He pisses me off. This dude is two things.

    1. Seriously gifted and just needs coaching.
    2. The luckiest tackler and playmaker.

  • I'd say at the very least Burfict would make an angry sp teamer.

    A special teamer can't destroy a locker room, can he?

    If he starts acting up, adios.

  • No, but a ST'er should know how to tackle. Not to mention they have to be disciplined and stay in their lane.

  • why would you ever want that tool on our team? I've followed ASU for 3 years (my fiance is an ASU alum) and he is a total train wreck. Promising seaons in 2010. Then it turns out hes bat shit crazy. Blames the coach, the media, his teammates for his complete lack-luster 2011 season.

    Bad work ethic. Dumb, immature guy. And honestly, not THAT talented. Lach and Briggs would hate this dude. Hes not worth the letter head used for a camp invite.

    You'd be praying for Cedric Benson. He's more likable.

  • Lucky and gifted, I'll take that - even in the 4th round. Sometimes the mercury escapes and you have to put it back in the bottle. He might be more Butkus than Bosworth and he's worth a chance.

  • Bears: $12.8 million.

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/16/cap-space-as-of-march-15/

  • Awesome Artoo. I was wondering what the cap was now.

    It's nice to see that the Pack are at 7M and Lions are at 13M (take about 7M off when they resign Tulloch).

    Minny have 18M, but I'm not worried about them.

    Denver has 40M, but are reserving that for Manning. What the hell are the Bengals waiting for? 38M! Dang.

  • We are lucky the Bengals are so cheap. They could have easily stolen Davis from us.

    "So far, we’ve counted those three players, defensive linemen Kendall Langford and Andre Fluellen, guard Jacob Bell, and cornerback Aaron Ross as free agents who’ve visited the Bengals. Next Monday, they will host running backs BenJarvus Green-Ellis and Michael Bush. Former Cowboys cornerback Terence Newman was also rumored to be visiting the Bengals, and tight end Kellen Davis had a Bengals visit scheduled before re-signing with Chicago.

    That’s 11 guys. Zero signings."

  • "in the future, the cba section that forces teams to spend up to the soft cap will become known as the “Mike Brown Clause”"

    LMAO

    Nice to know the McCheapsters no longer own the title.

  • Them wanting to sign Kellen Davis raises some flags..they drafted a tightend in the first round 2 years ago.

  • Newman.

    Terence Newman is the guy trying to remove Brandon Marshall's head in the highlight reels. Here's a still shot (jpg):

    http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Terence+Newman+Miami+Dolphins+v+Dallas+Cowboys+jdDoER_1aNIl.jpg

    He’s amazing,” Newman said of Marshall. “He’s a great football player. He’s a guy that has great range. A lot of balls you can just throw up and you can’t guard him.

  • They might get Ellis AND Bush. Nice.

  • Remember...the Bungles don't HAVE to spend it this season. Even money Mike Brown pockets most of it whle he still can.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Haha! You should read some of the Bengal's comments toward Mike Brown.

    They make MBPs rants on JA look like a stroll through the park.

  • You mean MB30, Butch - I was usually pretty lenient on Glitchy.

  • With how many signed?

  • When Cutty was healthy, we were scoring 30 points a game and were ranked #6 on offense.

    Now we have everyone back + Bates, Beast, and Tice running the show with one more year of experience in the same system.

    Me likery...me likery very much...

  • i have been thinking this
    for quite some time
    marshall just changed the dynamic
    to the Nth degree
    we need to put
    the D in order
    for the future
    through the draft

    all this consternation
    about webb
    little to do
    about nothing
    if tice is calling plays
    he has a knowledgable history
    of his o lines strenghts
    and the men they face
    watch out lions packers
    and the rest of you
    cutler will
    and i do mean will
    be put in the best
    situation to succeed
    every play

    see below for a lighter note
    on brandon "i came and conquered" marshall

  • curly howard
    to brandon marshall
    hit and make up
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcqtaS_gQHI

  • In reply to huntinbare:

    O.K. Huntin...I do ask for royalties if you use one of my avatar's .......tee hee hee hee

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    I should of said..yuk,yuk,yuk,yuk......

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    knew you'd like that

    i have always thought
    tice would take care
    of our O line
    it is what he does
    I don't know how
    but I do trust that
    he will
    i always thought konz
    because of his ties
    to U.0f Wisc.
    I also think Emery
    will be concerned
    and the drafts will start
    to look like a moulding
    for future success
    if there is a best available
    for the O. dr D. he won't miss it
    drafting is his
    forte

  • O FUCKING LINE

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    Waffle......+ 100 "F"ing A or should I say "F"ing O!!!

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    i just get pissed when such an important piece is not addressed and it has fucked us for at least the last couple of years. what in the fuck.

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    yep.brah.yep.

  • Brandon Marshall incident

    "Police are reviewing surveillance video from the Marquee nightclub to determine if NFL superstar Brandon Marshall punched a Manhattan woman there Sunday night."

    Link

    The alleged victim failed to show for a scheduled meeting with detectives yesterday. Her roommate says she hasn't seen her in 3-4 days.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    The above article is out-of-date (it's from March 15th). An article published the next day states that the alleged victim (Christen Myles) did meet with detectives, but not until the 15th.

    The later article was linked in the Trib. Here is the link.

    Not sure when the photo of Ms. Myles was taken. If it was taken on the 15th, that's about 4 days after the date of the incident, in which, according to Myles' lawyer, "Brandon Marshall hauled back and punched her in the face, hitting her eye and causing her to be violently thrown to the ground.

    Ms. Myles is a 5' 10," 24yo ex-college basketball guard. Not trying too insinuate anything. I don't know if the injury is consistent with the lawyers description of the attack.

  • Jensen says we are not in play for Wimbley.

  • http://www.footballnation.com/content/brandon-marshall-sinner-or-saint-for-bears/13965/

    Something to read while enjoying your beverages today.

  • In Marshall's last three seasons, the quarterbacks that were throwing him the ball have not ever made the Pro-Bowl or even play as starters in the league today.

  • I thought that would get ya'll excited but it must be old news lol

  • Tell ya what, after working security for a number of years at a night club there are people when they get a few drinks in them they can got totally uncontrollable...especially at closing time and when you cut them off from drinking and ask them to leave. I've been slapped, hit and kicked a number of times by women, and have decked 3 of them.
    Now, do I feel bad for doing that...not in the least... I got hit first and that's all you get.
    Having said that, know one knows what went on at that moment and the question my folks always asked me when something like this would happen is "what did you do?"
    So my question to the the "victim" is.."what did you do?" We know what Mr. Marshall was doing, trying to get his wife some help. And if you were so traumitized why didn't you seek to file charges immediately, get medical help till 3 days after the incident, but had no problem speaking to the press about it. Oh wait. Mr. Marshall makes a lot of money and has done some stupid things in the past. Chaching Chaching$$$$$.
    And of course the "Sports Beat" writers are all over this like sharks with the scent of blood in there nostrils. Well, have to sell newspapers I guess.
    I ain't saying he's any angel by any means...but I just go so pissed at at these judgemental moral assholes that point the finger at these guys but on any given Sunday will be screaming at the top of their lungs for a player to rip someones head off.
    My advise to Mr. Marshall is to quit putting yourself in these kinds of situations. Use your head for something else other than a helmet rack.

  • In reply to MaddBearfan:

    Totally agree. Once I read she was between jobs I started tuning it out. Gold digger for sure.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    And looking to work in the media.

    And coincedentally, even though it was her Bday and was there with all of her friends, no one else saw anything.

  • Exactly. Guys like BM are a magnet for such people, but I don't think we have any right to suggest that the guy only leaves his house to play football. Shit happens.

    In other news ... I see a lot of Vergara/Upton stuff posted on here and it leaves me slightly bemused, like people who live for World of Warcraft. I wish them the best ... but I just don't get it. Watching season 3 of Prison Break online and I just fell in love with Danay Garcia.

    Oh Mamasita .....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-D6xIeDAe0

  • She's a cutie. Way to young for me though.

  • I'm guessing your Baby Mama wouldn't be too keen on sharing the little Leprechaun.

  • Orton gets $5.9M his first year of a 5 yr deal. Nice.

  • Bears CB Corey Graham visiting Seattle Sun, 4 other teams interested, more visits next week. Being looked at CB and S

  • R2...I hope we can keep CG....

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    I want to know what tape he is showing them that says he can play Safety.

  • Happy St. Patty's to Irish, Murph and the rest of ya wankers.

  • In reply to Shady:

    I drank a bottle of food dye and turned my shite green. Beat that Murph.

  • I'm not even gonna try to top that one brother, it's all yours!
    Happy St. Patricks day!

  • In reply to Shady:

    Thanks Shady!! Back at ya!

  • DL Jason Jones agrees to terms with Seattle on a one-year deal. Nice pick up for the Seahawks

  • Doc..What kind of Pizza?

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    ironically, salami!

  • tee hee hee

  • gives you a whole new outlook bumping thighs. No worries Mate

  • For the life of me, I can't figure WHY we aren't pursuing Tolbert!

    "Tolbert, 26, is a battering-ram runner who fits the Steelers' old rugged persona on offense and he's a valuable receiver who boosts the Steelers' recent pass-first philosophy. As a runner, he'll give you four yards per carry and a strong presence in the red zone (19 touchdowns in two seasons). As a receiver, he caught 54 passes, turning 23 of them into first downs. "

    http://espn.go.com/blog/afcnorth/post/_/id/44135/report-steelers-in-running-for-rb-tolbert

  • He is not going to the Steelers

  • Too expensive. Besides, I am not sure we're gonna cut Barber until the training camp. Before then, Emery is probably going to get a nice bruiser-type runner among the undrafted agents or 5-7 rounds in the draft. My guess is that he already has a few people in mind. Sign them for cheap and get the same production. Why can't we cultivate our own Tolberts rather than constantly pursue them on free agent market (see Chester Taylor and Barber)?

    We have to learn how use free agency sparingly. Otherwise, we'll never reach the level of Pats, Packers, Steelers, Ravens, etc. Granted, we had to get Marshall this season because that was a huge, glaring hole in our offense that would take 2-3 years to fill with a draft pick.

  • In reply to Papa Sean:

    I agree that we need to cultivate our own Tolberts through the draft, but honestly, I haven't seen any bruiser HBs who are anything like Tolbert.

    Here's my argument.

    It's rare to get a bruiser who ALSO has soft hands AND can contribute on SP teams.

    Tolbert is only 26 too, with little wear and tear. Plus, he's not going to be all that expensive (much less so than Bush who we had in). Releasing Barber and Sanzen would pay for his some of his contract.

    If we get him, that would also mean we can focus on picking up another position in the draft, cb, lb, etc.

    And finally: Tolbert scored nearly 20TDs in two years!

  • What about Clutts? Some reason he can't carry the ball?

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    That's a good question. Maybe he's not explosive enough for a HB? Who would block for Clutts?

    I def would have liked to see what Clutts could do with the ball in his hands.

    But I would love 6'7 Spaeth, 6'7 Davis, 260lb Clutts and 245lb Tolbert at the goal line.

    With Beast and Roy on the outside.

    Goodluck trying to stop that.

  • http://youtu.be/xeurG53N6KM

  • Oh, and Happy Leperchaun Day, Laddies...

    Any Irish Drinks you guys recommend?

    In honor of the Irish, here's one of my fav songs...

    http://youtu.be/iul4SBlHIf8

  • Drinking Bailey's out of Danay Garcia's front bottom.

  • Danay Garcia - is that a reserve? lol

  • Oh My!

  • The Utah Data Center is almost finished. They're recording every email and phone call so that the encrypted stuff can be cracked in the future.

    http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/03/ff_nsadatacenter/

  • don't say "BOMB".........ooops to late,........hey someone's knock at my front door......

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    crikey..chicagonow is a part of the NSA..after posting it took sometime for response to come back...DAMN YOU BIG BROTHER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! get the F%$!@^$!@%^K off my computer...ass-goblins.

  • Very interesting article. Glad I've led a virtuous life all these years and have nothing to hide...

  • please get Webb out of my fucking face when i log onto the blog.

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    He looks like he's blowing a kiss to you waffle...hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    ... and install auto-login please.

  • The Real Deal...was this to rich for us?

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/17/breaking-down-the-mario-williams-deal/

  • Happy St. Patricks Day to all my fellow Bear Fans!

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    Back at ya, Murph!

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    Shhhh, no proselytizing aloud.

  • I was listening to sirius the other day while they did their mock draft. The guys thought due to all the FA signings by teams picking ahead of the Bears, Jonathon Martin OT, Standard could very easily fall to us. They had the Bears drafting him to replace Jeff's "Star" LT Webb. He he.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    Yeah, I concur with their analysis (see my post way above).

    When I began revising my own mock, I began to smile.

    It all depends on how teams approch draft and how they grade. Some experts grade Mike Adams higher than Jonathan Martin.

    But Jonathan Martin can def fall to us. Gotta trust Tice and Emery in this process though.

  • http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/09000d5d827a70e8/article/midmarch-position-rankings-for-2012-nfl-draft

  • Interesting, Mercilus didn't make his top five DEs...

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    That's because technically, Mercilus is a 3-4LB (who he ranks as the the 2nd best behind Ingram).

    Still, it's going to be a hell of a choice if they have to decide between Martin, Mercilus or Kirkpatrick...

  • Ah, I see. The bears don't traditionally draft CBs that high though, do they? I seem to recall that with their scheme, they don't feel that a super talented cornerback is necessary. And I believe Emery referenced the offensive line so I wonder if that's a tip-off. BTW, those glasses of his make him look like he's straight out of Mad Men....

  • an organic version
    for Irish and Murph
    on St. Patricks Day

    one day at the P.O.
    the crapper was broke
    in stall # 2
    I went in for
    my morning constitution
    un-aware of the plumbing failure
    I made my deposit
    and realized that my baby ruth's
    were going nowhere
    about a half hour later
    a fellow carrier announced
    that there were several green
    logs floating in stall #2
    and called me out
    as the culprit
    I know it is you
    'cause you are always
    drinking that chlorophyll laced
    swamp water
    so....today in your honor
    and all irish everywhere
    I left a couple of wheat grass greenies
    swimming in stall # 1

  • In reply to huntinbare:

    Thanks for sharing but somethings should be on a "need to know" basis and I really didn't need to know what was swimming in stall #1....

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    Definitely too much information.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    toilet humor, literally.

    No corn or peanuts were hurt in the making of this comment.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    what
    this JWebb shit
    or just
    everything offseason
    I support our players
    even the less gifted ones
    this is on tice
    the offensive line coach
    and the G.M.
    they get paid to fix our lack
    b ut it is also on Webb
    to work diligently
    and improve his deficiencies
    athletics
    the science of discovering your shortcomings
    and doing your damned best
    to strenghthen those weaknesses
    none of us know
    what he is up to this offseason
    but I hope it is time well spent
    on improvement

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    sorry
    i am
    an acquired taste
    it was for the irish
    but if
    you are a banker
    or in insurance
    or a wall street M.D.
    swim with my fishes
    and drown in the flush

  • In reply to huntinbare:

    of course
    if you are participating
    in any of those fields
    do not take it personal
    it is meant for the heartless
    and you are probably
    of high character
    being a big
    part of this show

  • JWebb got heckled by a dude on twitter. "RagingBear34" his rants are quite epic. Maybe, something within Webb's psyche will motivate him to become a beastly LT this year. Optimism sometimes pays off...

  • In reply to OsosFan:

    Let's send some anti-heckles ......

    Brandon Marshall ‏ @BMarshall

    Chicago send some love and energy to my wife @MrsMichMarshall

  • In reply to OsosFan:

    You will not find a group of fans that would like Webb to succeed more than the bunch here on Da Blog. The real question is can he do it quickly enough to keep our nascent franchise QB from getting killed in the process?

    It is great having Campbell, and no offense to him, but I hope he does not get a whole lot of playing time. Unless of course, he's somehow better than Cutler's best.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    it is comforting
    knowing that
    another debacle like 2011
    has probrably been averted

    and if we are in the lead
    by a comfortable margin
    cutler can sit and be protected late in a game

  • http://blogs.nfl.com/2012/03/16/updated-salary-cap-information-for-all-32-teams/?module=HP11_content_stream

    We've got $12.8M to spend. The Bengals $38M is second only to Denver's $40M.

  • a great read
    about our new Q.B. backup
    we got gifted
    i believe
    with Mr. Campbell

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/columnists/ct-spt-0318-pompei-bears-chicago--20120317,0,3189260.column

  • St Patrick's day </b

    An excuse for people - of any nationality apparently - to over-indulge in alcohol/drugs over an extended period in a confusing tribute to a Welsh boy who was kidnapped by Irish raiders, subsequently escaped, and returned as a man to punish his former captors by converting them all to Christianity.

    Happy fighting!


  • Fixed? I feel like one of the blog-breaking boys now.

  • irish this is for you
    it is the tail end
    of my shit story
    from above
    I delevered this issue
    of Rolling Stone yesterday
    and my hero
    the legendary
    Matt Taibbi was on the cover
    check this SHIT out

    http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/bank-of-america-too-crooked-to-fail-20120314

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