Which Bears Are Untouchable?

Which Bears Are Untouchable?

We've spent enough time documenting the complicated off-season currently facing new Bears GM Phil Emery. Emery has to do the following before the start of the 2012 season:

  • Find those few players (WR, OL, DE) to elevate the Bears, 7-3 with a healthy QB, to a legitimate Super Bowl contender. (Although I'm not sure they were not already a legitimate contender.)
  • Rebuild roster depth that has been lacking due to several years of mediocre (or below) drafting.

Emery's first job, however, is analyzing the players currently on the Bears roster. Which of those men is currently untouchable? Because the word untouchable might have varying degrees of meaning, I'll rephrase it this way: Which players on the Bears roster would you not include in a trade for Brandon Marshall?

The Untouchable: Jay Cutler. Cutty is the going to be the Bears franchise quarterback for the next five-plus years and the club realized in 2010 just how far he can carry them without a single great player on his offensive line or in his receiving corps. He's the real deal and he can bring this city a championship.

The Aging Superstar: Julius Peppers. If the Bears were to trade Peppers they would see their defense decline more rapidly than they care to imagine. Peppers may not have the sack numbers of the other premiere defensive ends in the game but his versatility and play against the run continue to make him one of the elite defenders in the game. He's got three solid years left.

The System Man: Brian Urlacher. Urlacher is the prototypical middle linebacker for the Lovie Smith system and dealing him now would be to castrate the head coach before he's able to jump into bed. If Lovie were no longer the head coach and Marshall could be acquired for Urlacher I would consider the deal awfully hard to pass up.

The Spinal Cord: Matt Forte. I have never been as high on Forte as most, thinking he lacks the breakaway speed and explosiveness needed to be a top tier back in the current NFL. But having watched Marion Barber moron a game away and Kahlil Bell fumble half his touches I am coming to terms with the fact that without the Forte as this offensive organism's spinal cord, the organism cannot stand. I expect Forte to be signed to a long-term deal in the not so distant future.

The Great Debate: Lance Briggs. Will the regime change lead to a softening of the Lance Briggs' heart or will one of the best linebackers in the game continue to bicker and moan each summer that he's underpaid? Will Phil Emery believe his talents outweigh the PR negativity? If Briggs could be dealt in the coming months for Marshall, how would you feel? I admit I' m torn on the question but I'm leaning towards the Bears needing Marshall more than Briggs. Especially as playing great run defense becomes a secondary need in the modern NFL.

The Up-and-Coming Star: Henry Melton. Melton had 7.5 sacks in 2011, tied for the NFL's lead among defensive tackles. In the post-Tommie Harris era the Bears have eagerly sought a Sapp-like talent to disrupt the middle of opposing offensive lines and pressure the pocket. Melton has emerged to fill that role in only his second season. Will he take the step to elite player in his third year? Would you be willing to risk his future should a team ask for him in return for a big-time receiver?

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  • First to suggest Tillman as part of that group?

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    Tillman will want to retire a Bear. He's demotable to the 2nd string, but only untouchable in the sense of how bad the PR would be to cut him. He hasn't had Vasher Rock Jock syndrome, he's a tough player, I'm sure we'll keep him but I don't think we can't live without him.

    I think if we asked Lovie, he would - believe it or not - add Cookie to that mix of players. Somebody needs to anchor that line and Garza is a million years old.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    How is Tillman demotable? Are we going to somehow aquire 2 better cover 2 corners in 1 year?

  • Might as well toss Hester out as an option, too...

    I think I would do a Hester for Marshall straight up trade... However, it would be real nice to see him as a Bear for his entire career.

    When he's on (and not hurt), he presents an interesting field position quandary for other teams. In addition, he's a great once-in-a-while WR to toss out, especially with Knox on the massage table.

    The prospect of Marshall seems so nice, but losing Hester would hurt so bad.

    It's a tough call for me.

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    Hester is the GOAT kick returner by a large margin...the mere threat of him returning a punt was the key to that amazing (non) return by Knox against Green Bay. He fundamentally changes the field position game when he is not dinged up.
    Marshall is a pretty damn good wide receiver with an injury history and serious mental health issues - that being said, I've been advocating for a reunion tour with Cutty -for the right price-.

    Hester for Marshall? No f-cking way.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Agree whole-heartedly. No damn way.

  • Blogfather could perhaps compose some kind of card for all of us to sign, perhaps using scanned signatures or what have you - and put it on a big card and send it to Johnny Knox.

    Dude's career is probably over, and he gave his all to the team while he was here.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    The last six games of last year are going to stick with me for a long, long time...what a complete shit streak it was.
    Poor Knox. I hope he recuperates and is able to play again, even if it ends up not being with the Bears.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I just hope he walks around without a back brace the rest of his life. Football is ancillary to that.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I think that's going to happen - his career on the other hand...

  • In reply to gpldan:

    come on. plenty of men whose shoulders touched their anus have come back and had successful careers! there's... and, umm... and let's not forget about... well, shit.

  • In reply to evantonio:

    Well, now we know - if you're going to try and put someone's head up their own ass, go forwards, not backwards, to avoid causing serious spinal injury.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    ah. take the penile detour. i like the way you think.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Is that for real? I haven't read what he was tweeting.

  • He hasn't tweeted that much but he let out some crazy comments.

    I asked him why he wants to keep playing after the injury and he said "good question."

    There are reports he might not be able to play till after two or three games.

  • I like the idea, GPL. I'll work on something today.

    As for Hester, I love the guy. I think he's the greatest kick returner ever. But I'm dealing him straight up for Marshall and not thinking twice.

  • In reply to Jeff Hughes:

    I like Marshall as much as anybody, but that is a high price to pay for a guy with his injury history and bipolar disorder.
    You don't sell low and buy high in the NFL - trading Hester for Marshall would be a perfect example.
    A great Pro Bowl (who the fuck cares?!?) by one and a subpar finish to the season by another is skewing your view.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    And it's completely unnecessary to even entertain - there are other ways to obtain a star WR without taking away a key component of our roster, particularly if Knox is a concern for next year. Who exactly would we trot out to give us a return game? We let Manning go, Knox broke his back, and now we think letting Hester go would make sense?

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    A second rounder (his price probably went up after 4TDs in the PB) and a player (Sanzy?/Williams?) would be a nicer option than giving up Hester. That leaves us without a return man.

  • I would trade Sanzenbacher and/or Williams for a bag of salt-n-vinegar potato chips.

  • In reply to Jeff Hughes:

    That would be a Chicago PR nightmare.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    And thanks for picking up the card idea.

  • This is absolutely retarded. Talk about politically correct horseshit.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I wouldn't blame political correctness. The original winning design represented various ethnic groups. The replacement is white's only.

    I love the fact that the new winning design features clenched fists (White power symbol) and red iron cross (Klan symbol).

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    PC does not necessarily indicate racial overtones.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I know what political correctness is. I've never heard anybody accused of political correctness for censoring gang symbols. Racist symbols, yes.

    The City of Chicago should do the politically correct thing and reject the "Chicago's White Heroes" design.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    OK, wise-ass, then let's backtrack...
    Political correctness, a la wikipedia, is "excessive deference to particular sensibilities at the expense of other considerations".
    I would think that the City pretty obviously showed excessive deference to particular sensibilities at the expense of other considerations in killing the original design. Those particular sensibilities being some nonsensical fixation on gang symbols, to the extent that they'd probably ban an ASL alphabet sign if they saw one.
    Fair enough?
    Do YOU think those hands looked like gang symbols? If not, then what is your point? That the new design, using the same retarded line of reasoning, could be found even more offensive? That you can find reasons for taking offense in nearly any art if that's your goal? Then, why yes, Crunch - I would agree with you.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I knew you'd see it my way.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    I was right, you were wrong. Glad we could move on.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    This discussion never moved on at all. It went off the tracks with the definitioin of political correctness. Forget about that, if it helps you see my point. Personally, I could give a rat's ass how political correctness is defined.

    My point is that the new design is at least as bad as the original, if judged by the same Jesus-on-a-piece-of-toast standards. But there is more to the controversy than the alleged hidden symbols.

    You know who Det. Shaved Longcock is, right? You've read his blog?

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Det. Shaved Longcock?!?!?!

    Yes, I think I do… I think it’s probably the pet name the asshole cop in 70's ChiPS shades who pulled me over gave himself in bed.

    Fucking douchebag.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    You fucking argued with the use of "political correctness" to describe this idiocy!

    My point is that the poor kid who designed the original, who happens to be a tiny white kid with learning disabilities, had his design thrown out because of a massive overreaction by adults who read what they wanted to see into his design and subsequently screwed him out of one of the few successes he's likely to experience in his educational career.
    It's terrible.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I have no idea who that is and I ain't googling it.
    So, there you have it.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    You don't expect me to Google it for you, again, do you? Finding the forked-tongue bear was hard. This is easy. Just read virtually any report related to the Yahoo video you posted and you'll get a clue. You don't have to go any further than the Trib.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I did but I am not touching that site with a 10-ft pole.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    If the "experts" say it's a gang symbol, then it must be. Joke.
    Crunch, the clenched fist also signifies Union Solidarity and it's a symbol of the Occupy Wall St. movement. And the recall Scott Walker symbol in Wisconsin.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Jesus, Fifth et al. Have you people ever heard of parody???

    I totally believe the young Pulgar and his art teacher: those hands were drawn directly from the picture on the cover of the 'Helping Hands' pamphlet. They have absolutely nothing to do with the Maniac Latin Disciples street gang, and neither does the heart or the alleged pitchforks in the crayon strokes of his drawing. I'm not a goddam idiot, after all, like Det. Shaved Suckmycock of the keyboard police.

    Yes, the clenched fist is a symbol of many things besides White Power, as is the red cross. No, I don't believe Caitlin Henehan's heroes are white because she hates people of color. I was merely extending the ridiculous argument against Pulgar's design. I thought that was obvious. Fuck.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Yeah, and for shits and giggles I went and looked up a bunch of the MLD graffiti and symbology.

    If that poster has ANYTHING to do with gang signs, then the kid hid it very deeply.
    The only similarity I saw was...shock, gasp...there was a heart. Well, Valentines Day is going to be a m-therfucker then, isn't it?

    It sounds like the kid is going to get his savings bond after all, but what a cluster.
    Corm - funny stuff about the fist - don't tell anyone or the City'll drop the new design and screw another kid out of their fifteen minutes of fame.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    No, MBHP. People ought to raise hell about little Caitlan's White Power Heroes. That would be a thousand times more effective than bitching about some racist internet cops' willfully idiotic misinterpretation of the original design.

    PS: Look close: there's a heart in little Caitlan's design as well.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    I wonder if it ever occurred to them to simply change the fucking graphic that was used for the hand instead of throwing the whole design out.
    The whole thing is so stupid. Between your and Corm's observations, that sounds like enough material evidence to cause a stink about the new design.
    Eventually, they will settle on three squares on a plain white background, each one representing in a completely abstract way the emergency services departments.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    You share a brain with my little brother...I swear.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    Goddammit I knew I was losing bandwidth.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    one thing no one here has mentioned, and i think it absolutely bears mentioning, is that herbie's teeth are an absolute train wreck.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    That is seriously fucked up. I hate PC bullshit. Gang signs? By whom? Some mytserious gang of multi-ethnic peace mongerers? THIS is why I hate PC bullshit. God Damn.

  • I've come to hate the term 'political correctness' more than the act. It's the first phrase out of the mouth of every asshole who's told he can't go waving his rebel flag around berating niggers, faggots 'n bitches.

  • why do u have to stick with Marshall? there is a lot of quality FA this year, a spare 3 round to deal and salary cap. improve the lines OT and DE first. it´s the save path.

  • In reply to elcaney:

    I think DBB is all worked up because Cutty was tweeting Marshall imploring a reunion. In public.

    Perhaps as a PR stunt, perhaps as a telegraphed message to the Bears about what he wants to see happen.

    Either way, all this talk of getting him is probably premature. He's not UFA, and Miami will want him. He seems settled down from his days of having his manic episodes, and his woman cutting him open using local kitchen utensils (gutting him like a Fish?)

    Nevertheless, a long dark Chicago winter may not be best for the guy and as you said, we just need 3 new wideouts. We have Bennet making the roster, and we can sometimes use Hester if his agent will let him line up in the slot if we promise only to run post routes with him.

    Outside of that, we got bupkis.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Philbin won't want him in Miami according to Our Boy Roy. Said he wanted only 'very high character guys' on his roster. Very high. That's not Brandon.

    And again, with Tice/Bates working in more designed roll-outs, Roy Williams becomes a large and dangerous animal to have. Hester and Sanzenbacher cannot break tackles on plays like that, and hopefully there will be plenty of them.

    Our gain.

    I wouldn't stop at Marshall though, why not have two decent targets? Colston with an incentive-based (appearances) contract would also be interesting.

  • If we trade for Marshall, I want us to try to get M.Williams then.

    He would be very dangerous with Peppers on the other side. Trade for the Beast and buy the other Beast.


  • In reply to elcaney:

    He's going to be cheaper than a V-Jax for starters. Cap space is key if we want ot pick up players here and there.

  • Jeff once again you didnt mention a DB (or two). I know a lot of people think we need another end to help peppers out but what we really need is some good coverage in the secondary! Last year there were some forehead slapping long bombs completed against us and if the QB were forced to take an extra second or two due to coverage than thats the difference of a sack for the Pepper-Melt.

  • nearly every long pass happened when Peppers was out of the game. the absence of an additional difference maker at the other D end position caused that along with zero push up the middle.

  • I disagree the safety position is in any way, shape or form a proiority. Fix the pass rush and Conte/Steltz are nice options. Behind them you have a 2-time pro bowler and Pringles. Damn, we have DJ moore if we're stuck. That's not a bad situation if your pass rush is happening. Fix the other defensive end position and you fix the secondary problem IMHO.

  • Why trade for a legit stud receiver when they can be had in free agency? VJACKS or Bowe would be nice. The organization can surely efford them. I'd like to see them keep this defensive unit together (unless Briggs keeps complaining). They still have 2 or 3 years left in them to get this done....

  • In reply to JerseyBear:

    I am almost positive if they Bears play their cards right.. we could end up being really happy at the WR poistiton.

    Bowe, Marshall, and Bennett

    Jackson, Marshall, and Bennett

    We all know Hester cannot play WR better than any of those three and we need to begin to realize Knox is done.

    Bowe and Bennett

    Jackson and Bennett

    I seriously cannot wait till March 12.. All will be revealed then and we start to see if we will need more players here or there.

  • Yeah, I'm more pumped than I have been in years. A couple of FA receivers at the very least and we can go to war.

  • In reply to JerseyBear:

    Cost is their problem. Marshall's already had his contract front-loaded, so we'd get him for monkeys.

  • No way I would trade Hester for Marshall at this point. Maybe a few years back when Hester was stuck on being only a WR and not returning kicks at all but no way now. He is way too much a threat for the opposing team just sitting back there on kick returns. Even if they kick it into the endzone every time on kick offs there is now way they can do that on punts. He is the greatest returner to ever play the game and once in a blue moon he catches a good pass as a back up WR. No Hester should stay and Yes Tillman also need to be on the untouchable list as well.

  • Let's first check out who the Bears FAs are in 2012

    Restricted Free Agents (1)

    RB Kahlil Bell

    Unrestricted Free Agents (13)

    QB Caleb Hanie
    QB Josh McCown
    RB Matt Forte
    WR Roy Williams
    TE Kellen Davis
    DE Israel Idonije
    DT Amobi Okoye
    CB Zackary Bowman
    CB Corey Graham
    CB Tim Jennings
    S Brandon Meriweather (cannot be franchised)
    S Craig Steltz
    LS Chris Massey

  • Restricted Free Agents (1)

    RB Kahlil Bell - match counters to a reasonable point, keep

    Unrestricted Free Agents (13)

    QB Caleb Hanie - bye bye
    QB Josh McCown - sign to one year deal as 3rd string
    RB Matt Forte - sign, make a priority
    WR Roy Williams - bye bye
    TE Kellen Davis - sign within reason
    DE Israel Idonije - sign a low end of career deal
    DT Amobi Okoye - sign if possible
    CB Zackary Bowman - bye bye
    CB Corey Graham - sign if possible given he's strict ST
    CB Tim Jennings - sign if possible
    S Brandon Meriweather (cannot be franchised) - bye bye
    S Craig Steltz - sign if possible
    LS Chris Massey - sign if possible

    That will keep Cliff Stein busy

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Yeah, Izzy to me is in the same category as Jennings. If we upgrade the DE position through FA/Draft, he becomes expendable.

    He's sort of like the new Old Alex Brown. Solid, but unspectular. Problem is, the Cover 2 nees spectacular.

    Davis ditto.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I agree with most except we HAVE to sign graham, he's a huge playmaker for us on specials.

  • Our HB situation is semi-set. Forte is getting Franchised and Bell ain't going nowhere unless another team is willing to give up some draft picks. I still would like us to draft a Banger in the later rounds and release Barber.

    Hanie. Gone.
    McCown. 2nd/3rd stringer.
    Roy. It gets interesting here for me. We need to keep him simply for depth. Knox worries me; Hester is a slot at best, and Bennett too. Even if we pick up 2 WRs through the draft/FA, Cutler needs some form built in chemestry. As long as Roy signs for something reasonable, I'm ok with him on the roster.

    Okoye. For sure resign. He's very disruptive on passing downs.

    Bowman. Gone.

    Graham. Must sign. Not only is he a PB SP teamer, but he is a decent nickle back.

    Jennings. Depends...I have mixed feelings about him based on his mixed results...If we end up picking up a guy like Finnegan or Brent Grimes in FA, then he becomes expendable.

    Meriweather. He can drive his Pimpmobile out of town.

    Steltz. We have a quota for white safeties to fill. To me, he's the starter until Wright supplants him. Yup, I said it. Also, he's a Toub guy.

    Massey. No one keeps two long snappers, but how much longer does Mannelly have? He actually might not be "untouchable" but that's a Toub call all the way.

  • Agree on Steltz; let's keep him.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    Steltz gets a bad rap - I think part of that is still bitterness over the shot to Peanut's ribs a couple of years ago.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I thought it was just because he was white.

    Does anyone have any proof of him getting burned or something? He seems to play just Conte.

    Nothing spectacular and does his job. That is exactly what he is suppose to do in the Lovie system.

  • On the other hand, when you have a playmaker like my namesake back there, the system becomes something very special.
    But I think Conte is good enough that the system works well so long as our d-line is playing up to snuff.

  • I forgot, Mannelly is untouchable .. .and it would be nice to keep our 6'7 TEs since Tice is obviously going to target them on the roll-outs.

  • Is he though? I thought that guy we picked up filled in commendably...as in, I never remember hearing his name.

  • Gp, I wouldn't think of sending Knox anything, but it's looking like his career is over. I mean, I would retire after that.

    No one is going to take Melton in exchange for a WR. If anyone was to ask for Melton for say " Marshall, Baldwin, or any big young WR" we would jump at it like Superman does over tall buildings.Great idea but he doesn't have pro-bowl record and only has one season.

    Briggs on the other hand.. 7 probowls, still can play, and only wants money. Trade the guy if we can get Marshall straight up. Yes, we are paying Briggs peanuts but not as bad as Forte.

    Hester is a interesting topic. If the rules would not have changed and if Hester was performing at WR like we all hoped. I would tell you that you are crazy to trade him. The rule change has hurt his value a lot, He will not get a chance to kickoffs that much and he would only be valuable on PRs. Thus, if anyone comes knocking on the door for Hester. We need to listen.

  • Sources tell WSCR that Tice was unhappy about the team’s public position that he needed so much help to do his job, and made his feelings known to Lovie Smith. His point was a fair one: why promote him, only to then make him look like a fool? Why send mixed messages to Cutler and the rest of the offense about who’s in charge? What would the point be in having a nominal coordinator not responsible for passing, in a league that has made that aspect more important than ever?

    The good news is that Tice succeeded. He’s right.

    We are told that new general manager Phil Emery also questioned the wisdom of how this was being handled, and that’s another good sign. As the hiring process went on, and Tice’s dissatisfaction became stronger, clearer and better known, the job opening changed.

    Bates will have more power than predecessor Shane Day, and matters more than others at his level due only to his direct connection to the team’s most significant player. It may also so happen that he does advise Tice on passing exactly as Smith envisioned, with the chain of command better defined.

    But at least they righted what could have been a wrong before it happened.

    It would have been typically Bears to take something so simple, and make it confusing and weird — like they did with Emery, the de facto personnel director whose eventual GM power vests over time, like so many stock options.

    Thanks to Tice speaking up, they backed off a bad idea.

  • http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2012/02/08/bernstein-solving-the-mystery-of-the-disappearing-coach/

  • I'm guessing the stuff about Tice is true but it's much more simple that than. They needed to add some phony title to sign Olsen since he was in demand. Bates had zero leverage since he was out of football last year.

  • Shane Day.
    (shakes head)

  • That little dude had to be scared of Jay.

  • Should the Bears go after Kyle Orton?

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    hells yes... but we won't have the cash after filling other needs unfortunately.

    I would LOVE this move if we could make it happen... and, is Kyle willing to accept that's he's a back up now, or does he still want to go somewhere to prove he can be a starter. Two huge ifs tell me it's more than a longshot.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I'm guessing someone will sign Orton to at least compete for the starter's job. That ain't happening in Chicago. I feel Orton's pain. When I played baseball, if I was a starter it wasn't a great team. If I was a backup, it was a pretty good team. Oh well.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    If he would come back, absolutely. He's a baller.

  • The bad news is: Old Sauce is still the D-Coord.

    Well, in reality, Lovie is - but Old Sauce holds the title even if all he does is coach the front four.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    is that a bad thing? minus the poor start to the season (attributable to shortened offseason?) i thought our D really held it together. sure, they fell to shit at the end, but there's only so much you can do when the offense is 3-and-outing every. single. drive.

    can't pin the KC/Den games on the defense. seattle and green bay, well, let's just ignore.

  • And you rip on the Chicago media....

    "I have never been as high on Forte as most, thinking he lacks the breakaway speed and explosiveness needed to be a top tier back in the current NFL"


  • Gotta agree there. There are plenty of highlight plays where Forte broke a run to the outside and was gone.
    A -fair- criticism of Matty is that he is not a punishing between-the-tackles runner. But that's about it.
    His speed has NEVER been a question.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    He may not be as fast as CJ1K but I think he's obviously a better receiver and is willing to block.
    If he's not top-tier, please provide the names.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    MB30SD with his deadly haji missle.

    Top. Tier.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I dreamt last night that I whupped you and Shady in Gun Game.
    Wait, no, that was real.

    Free-for-all doesn't count - that's just my "me" time, aka Claymore City.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Although, I think Shady spends the first few rounds of Gun Game just trying to humiliate us.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    he does. asshole.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    We should play search and destroy next time.

    Do you recall getting Juggernaut armor a few nights ago in a pub game and some unfortunate soul blowing you up with C4? Yeah, I do.

  • +1. How many times do you see Matt get caught from behind?

  • His first season or two he didn't seem to have that extra gear. After that, he started doing workouts to improve his speed and it really paid off. The last two years, if he breaks one they aren't catching him unless they've got the angle on him. I'm not sure I'd trade him for any of the other RB's now that A.P. shredded his knee.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    The first season, he was fast as hell - remember the 50 yard TD versus the Colts in week 1?
    Season two, he'd tweaked his knee and could not cut for shit. That was a lost year for sure.

  • thought you bball guys might enjoy this: http://www.baconsports.com/will-ferrell-announcing-the-lineups-at-the-bulls-vs-hornets-game

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    "He doesn't speak a lick of English, but we still love him!"

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Scorpio and a bad dancer!!!!!! "F"ing Ferrell.LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...

    Minored in LOVE!!!!

    from Italy and hates Italian food!!!!!!!!

    he is this generations Bill Murray!!!!!!!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    btw..MB...When I saw it open as Bacon Sports...my first thought was you and your damn hankering for Epic Heart Clogging Meals...lol!!

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    check this lobo: http://www.jackinthebox.com/menu/product.php?prod_id=bacon_shake&cat_id=3

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    MB...I don't even know were to start with that....it's wrong on so many levels...

  • http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/09/gulf-of-america-mexico-steve-holland_n_1265834.html

    Somebody slap that guy.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    And to think, Mississippi scored 50th out of 50 of educational test scores. Go figure.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Keep that damn federal gubmint out of our attempts to raise really dumb children! And quit sending us money!

  • In reply to gpldan:

    it's causa the fracking...

  • In reply to MB30SD:


  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I actually like this one more: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5nA4sCtIXM

    Fucking love that show. Fascinatin'

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I do a lot of bike rides and I was talking to a guy from Arkansas. He said the state motto was "Thank god for Mississippi". Otherwise. Arkansas would be #50.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Which only shows how bright they really are. If not for Mississippi, Arkansas would be #49, as they presumably are now.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Canada, your comment reminded me so much of the SNL skit with Phil Hartman as Governor Clinton in the 92 debates. Can't find the video, but the transcript is still pretty good.
    Never been to Mississippi, but spent about a day and a half wandering around Arkansas a few years ago. I was shocked at how poor the majority of the people were and their living conditions. Definitely some culture shock involved.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    But Fifth, those people, white and black, held on to and expanded musical traditions from Africa and Europe that gave us Rock, Folk, Blues, Bluegrass, Country, etc. This country owes them a lot.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Freedom Fries! And while we're at it, the Dirty Sanchez should be renamed the Dirty Smith.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    that does sound very.... mexican. Are mexicans the only ones who do the dirty snachez?

    Like OMG, soooo racist.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I insist that we rename the Cleveland Steamer.
    Hence forth it shall be known as a Cincinnati Foam.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    you got it.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Things aren't always as they seem, Mikey.

    "State Rep. Steve Holland wants to rename the Gulf of Mexico as the Gulf of America for "official purposes within the state of Mississippi," but not for reasons you may expect.

    Holland, D-Plantersville, says the measure aims to mock anti-immigrant legislation that he finds mean-spirited and insignificant..."


  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    We now are split between morons who really are mean-spirited and faux morons who introduce bills that are mean-spirited, a la Colbert of the State Assembly. I appreciate his point but ahem, I watch the Daily Show when I want sarcasm with my politics.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    On the other hand, I feel slightly less depressed about the state of the world knowing that was a milder form of idiocy. Thanks, Crunch.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    He should have went with Mistersippi.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:


  • besides the card to knox, can we send a box of these to pep: http://uncrate.com/stuff/ghost-pepper-candy-balls/

    Those seem like a really bad idea. they have small child, the hospital, and a criminal defense attorney written all over them.

  • Hey TD...I'd feel a lot more comfy with the Orton as a back up compared to what we have now. It's wether he's happy in KC and will have to compete with Cassel for the starting job. Could wind up being a back up there too.

  • In reply to MaddBearfan:

    Orton's play over the last three games in KC all but assured he will land a starting gig somewhere. That team was stuck with that goofy college QB they had, the 3rd string nobody. Orton came in, was thrown in with a week and half to prep, and immediately they started moving up and down the field.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    sucks man, I would love to have neckbeard come home.

    It did seem like he wanted to come here when the possibility was on the table.

  • while I agree in american politics free of special interest money 20000000000%, I fucking HATE nancy pelosi.


    Her facial expressions make me want to punch her. What an elitist, useless fucking moron. She is the poster child for how fucked up Washington is… her and fucking bon-her bawling like a fucking baby. Jesus christ… bring on the mayans already!!!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Pssssst....... Cusack survives.


  • In reply to gpldan:

    I think this is the Lord's Wang


  • In reply to gpldan:

    I know... of all people. fucking cusack.

    Whodathunk it.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Maybe we're Better Off Dead

    See how I did that?

  • I did.i was going to start a cusuck movie titile fight, but ran out of steam.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Did you Say Anything MB ?

  • Are you two pushing tin?

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I think you're floundering, gpl - show some class.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I put a two-for-one in there; back to football, I think it's going to be one crazy summer.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I have to say, I don't like her, but I find that whole meme hilarious.
    Between the sith-lord lightning and sticking in a photo of her and Gingrich being cozy, I thought it was good.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I just can't get past her mug man. Makes me angry, and I'm probably what Dave would call a dem.

    Although I find myself much much more drawn to a lot of the libertarian ways these days. Who fucking knows. I'm in the haji missle party. how's that.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    We know how that party ends - in tears, when you open the front door and a claymore is sitting perpendicular on the porch.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    please, I'll be watching for those from now on. Bastard.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    She does look like an animatronic...maybe they recycled her from Showbiz Pizza puppets.
    But her district loves her - whatever...

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I invite you to keep looking at it, MB. The main substantive difference between many modern liberals and many libertarians is who should call the shots. The libertarians I know believe that We the People should be calling the shots, rather than They the Government.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    And I would give the same advice to you, Dave.
    No one I know is looking for anything other than a fair shake for Americans in general. My "liberal" bent is a result of a pragmatic disposition and a deep appreciation for history.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I don't claim to be an historian, but my observation of things is that governments generally get poor results. The problem is that the *intent* to do good seems enough for most of them, regardless of the actual *results* of the implemented policies.

    And we will just have to agree to disagree that confiscating a disproportionate share of certain people's earnings is a "fair shake". It's part of why I so favor consumption taxes over income taxes.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    An absence of "government" also tends to go tits up in a hurry.
    That's why I said I'm a pragmatist - on the other hand, you have an idealogue like Paul, who hasn't changed his views on anything in 70 years. He's not a symbol of consistency, he's a man who hasn't had the courage to question any of his own beliefs since he was a teenager. Even the Constitution has been changed when it's proven wrong; Ron Paul is smarter than our founding fathers?
    I am constantly confounded by the thought that government is beating down the best and the brightest, and where the wealthiest Americans are not getting a "fair shake", when you have a college dropout take his company from concept to $100 billion IPO.
    Does Zuckerberg think he needs to go find a gulch to hide in? Probably not.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Does that mean we shouldn't match the size of the government to the task at hand? Well, of course we should drive efficiency in our government agencies - every organization (public, private, or religious) grows through intertia, at a cost of innovation and freedom of movement. But that doesn't mean government is inherently evil any more than individualism is inherently productive - sometimes collective action outproduces many individual efforts and vice versa. You use the tool that fits the problem.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    And pshaw, I know you're well read on history...

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    it's all bullshit dave. I don't believe in any of them. It's all about maintaining the status quo of more money and power for themselves.... they all just have diff lables,

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I'm not referring to the party, just to be clear. It's about a mindset - leave us the hell alone so we can make our own decisions of how to spend our money and live our lives.

    Not without bounds, but certainly more so than our friendly Washington overseers allow us today.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    Pelosi and Paul. What a great couple they would be. The dead skin hanging off of Paul's skull would make you forget Pelosi's pertified grimace, and vice versa.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    The modern Scylla and Charybdis of Politics.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Except P&P only have two heads between them.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    As far as we know.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    Lol. Look at what they're showing, and imagine what they're hiding. Fucking pols.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    Benevolent dictator for me. People are too stupid on average. Governments to corrupt - too many cooks spoil the broth.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    You think this broad has a never ending supply of botox or what?


  • In reply to MB30SD:

    "We have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it."
    - Nancy Pelosi

    Case closed.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    I can't believe I'm defending her, but the point was that the legislation was subject to change until such a point that it passed the House. If it's not the final bill, it's not the final bill.
    Of course it makes for silly-time political jokes that no one knew what was going on.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Oh they knew alright. They didn't want *us* to know until after it was too late.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    Freedom is somewhat of an illusion. Congress, for most of the last 10-15 years, has had approval ratings under 20%, yet they get re-elected at rates over 90% in every election cycle. Presidents pass laws all the time without Congressional approval, called "Executive Orders". Presidents keep adding more and more "Czars", with dictatorial powers, to push their agenda. Some of the most important laws that affect every American passed in the last 11 years were passed under shady circumstances: The Patriot Act, MediCare Prescription Part D, Obama's health care plan, TARP and the other bailouts, and the list goes on and on.
    The President in this country is starting to have the powers of a King. The monied interests and the media in this country give us our choices. I like Ron Paul, but he's not even mentioned in most news stories. I heard several radio and TV news stories today that said Santorum won Minnesota, and Romney and Gingrich took a distant 3rd and 4th. They don't even mention Ron Paul's name. That ain't the first time that's happened. In my lifetime I don't remember any other candidate with as much support being completely ignored by the media.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    Keep in mind, he's doing the same thing he did in 2008 and in exactly the same states - performing well in caucuses. It is geared towards his campaign approach.
    That's not the same as performing well in live elections and a reason why Iowa is tremendously over-rated. That being said, I think this thing has been geared for quite some time towards driving a brokered convention - the powers that be want Chris Christie, without him having to lug his 400 lbs around for a year and a half primary slog.
    I will be shocked if this primary season ends early in spite of the material advantage that Romney holds in every category.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    Well said. The Patriot Act, Homeland and Executive ORders passed after 9/11 essentially turned the USA into a Fascist state. Freedom no longer exists in America and they can do whatever they like when they like. Joint Resolution 114 essentially allows the President to be a dictator and drop nukes as he wishes, off his own bat.

    ..... Albeit a dictator who takes his orders off the Fed .....

  • I know that Marshall is good and he and Cutler have a history, but why not go after one of the big 3 WR as a free agent and not worry about trading anyone? In my opinion all 3 are actually better receivers than Marshall.

  • In reply to do53:

    Let's not be crazy here.

    I think Marshall is a stretch anyway, but I would love to have Vjax or Colston AND Floyd or Stevie.

  • In reply to do53:

    * Marshall and Cutler hooked up 100+ times every season they played together. The chemistry is already pre-guaranteed.

    * Nnamdi Asomugha named BM as the hardest player in the NFL to bring down.

    * He's the all-time single-game reception leader with 23.

    * He would actually be cheaper than the rest for reasons I've already explained about three tiems on this thread.

  • Echo...Echo.. haha

  • All points are fair. I will give you that. The problem is we have to trade for Marshall to get him. In that case is Marshall better than having Dwayne Bowe and Lance Briggs? There is no way that you can tell me you believe this. If they are going to trade Bowe it will be for someone that can be a mike for them since they are switching to the 4-3.

    I do the trade in a minute if they want a couple of 4th round picks or a 3rd this year and 4th next year. But if they ask for a 1st rounder or a couple of 2nd rounders there is no way they can give up that, we are getting a bit long in the tooth and need to stock up on some young talent. Considering that there is no way that Marshall is the better option than Bowe (I think Bowe is the best available WR).

    Also why does it matter if he is cheaper? We are so far under the cap, with plenty of money to spend and you know the front office will not spend it all. Its not my money, I don't care how much they pay the guys as long as they field the best team possible. Now if they are going to use the savigs to sign Carl Nicks or someone else then sure go for Marshall if the trade has value, but if the money is just going to sit in the bank I don't care how much they spend.

  • Never mind the creepy odyssey 2000 voice, this is pretty interesting and scary: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=zi_DaJKsCLo#!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I never EVER EVER need to see what are apparently unchewed Ramen noodles travelling through someone else's GI tract EVER again.

    Holy shit.

    For that, you get an extra dose of high explosives next time we play.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    hahahahahaha... get some.

    I'm working from home, sick again today, as soon as I'm off this con call I'm on, I'm going to jump on and practice up a little. You guys are getting better than me fast.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    fucking johnny... he's already on playing.

    His wife must absolutely fucking hate me.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    My wife: Do you and your little friends talk to each other during the game? That's cute

    Me: It's not a game, it's fucking war....

    My wife: nerd (leaves room)

    Me: yeah, and you continually sleep with this nerd....i have proof (holding the baby as he stares blankly at the screen)

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    Awesome. Come back to us maing.

    And dont expose your little one to our bloodbath. Gp, post the pdf for johnny again.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Yeah, I don't need any toddlers to start kicking my @ss - it's bad enough with these tweens and their prestiging...

  • No offense Jeff but I'm kinda thinkin the O-line is our offensive spine. The Bears are in trouble if they can't work around Forte out of the line-up. Superbowl contenders should have a backup plan at running back.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    bears - jay + forte = lose.
    bears - jay - forte = lose.
    bears + jay - forte = win.

    that's right. i said it.

  • In reply to evantonio:

    Find me another Thomas Jones just in case.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    sigh. thomas jones was another thomas jones, but we wanted to move up 6 slots in the second round. fucking jerry.

  • Silenced? Silenced?

    I wonder if there are claymores under every seat.


  • In reply to gpldan:

    Can you imagine the echoes in Lucas Oil if it was fired and it -wasn't- silenced?
    It'd make a soccer riot look like a kid's birthday party.
    I'm sure it's plenty loud even with one on.

  • In reply to gpldan:


    But, easily photoshoped... although, i don’t doubt its authenticity for a second.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    maybe that's who hurt Brady's shoulder?

  • Which players on the Bears roster would you not include in a trade for Brandon Marshall?

    See? We start intelligently. Well phrased. The nuts and bolts question. and then ......

    Whoa Nelly ! Back this bitch up a second .... wow, just wow. I log on to see what's up and what people are thinking, but now I'll be logging in just to see what crazy shit Jefe comes out with next.

    I am coming to terms with the fact that without the Forte as this offensive organism's spinal cord, the organism cannot stand.

    Let me preface this by saying I hope we keep him, he rocks etc. ... but he's a running back! They're ten a penny! Who's Timmy Smith? Does it matter? When you were running behind that line ... who cares? Forte is extremely good - don't get me wrong, he's a weapon (that needs to learn how to pass block) - but do you really think the Bears would never gain another yard on the ground behind a Mike Tice line if he wasn't there? Think of the cap space and the shit we could do if we didn't keep Forte. Running backs can be found ....... but .....no ... wait ...what ?!! ......

    ....and Marshall could be acquired for Urlacher I would consider the deal awfully hard to pass up.

    Hold the pickles and put down the sauce. Call the police. Seriously. WTF? Brian Urlacher IS our defense. He's all of it. He's the keystone. The foundations. The roof. The walls. The heart. The lungs. The life-blood. He's the mother. He's the oxygen in the air. He's as important to the defense as Cutler is to the offense.

    Short memory Jefe - do you remember the travesty of seeing Hunter Hillenmeyer trying to play middle linebacker? How did we look? We were the worst Bears defense EVER - that's how we looked. It's bad enough considering a defense without Briggs, but FML, Urlacher ? I'm almost speechless. Certainly shocked. Marshall and Cutty would need to be Rice and Montana because our defense would be in the toilet and that's not even debatable.

    Why can we not have Marshall AND Briggs? Who said it's either/or ? Marshall would cost us about 6 million a year when you take his contract into account and what's been paid up front. WE have 30-35 million to play with. Considering you'd get more out of that partnership than Fitzy on 20 million and it's a no-brainer.

  • Since we have Lovie Smith in place, that will not happen..ever.

    That is why I doubt we trade Briggs. Lovie speaks up for his players. Thus, why they play hard for him.

    If Miami would take atm both of our 3rd rounders for Marshall. Do it. Irish, there are so many LB's in this draft that can play.

  • I am so glad I have Twitter.

    I was talking to Major Wright about madden and his hit power. It's a 95 and that is high for a player.

    Anyways he didn't know it and I told him..blah blah.. I said you hit harder than Briggs and Urlacher.

    Briggs saw it and tweeted this.

    @LilMade21 @ErikGrogan major, you hit hard, but you know you dnt hit harder than me. im now gonna go cry to madden about it .j/k lol

    Pretty cool dudes.

  • Madden's computer must account for Pringle's junk inertia.

  • I'm sure that taxes the floating point calculations.

  • You're a cyber slut, Artoo. I was watching Our Boy Roy's new vid, and you were on there tweeting every two minutes it seemed. Way to represent!

  • Lmao I love football and the Bears.

    My goal is to hopefully meet some of these players before they retire.

  • Irish is right. You don't trade Urlacher. Not for Tom Brady himself. He's the heart and soul of this team. If Da Bears won a SB right after trading Urlacher, I don't think I could enjoy it. I know sentimentality has no place in today's NFL, but kidney's are for sale, not hearts.

  • Urlacher is one of the main reasons I love the Bears.

    I agree.

  • http://blogs.nfl.com/2012/02/09/lombardi-chargers-will-try-to-sign-jackson/?module=HP11_headline_stack

  • Restricted Free Agents (1)

    RB Kahlil Bell - How much is the tender for a 2nd or 3rd round pick? That sounds about right in my opinion.

    Unrestricted Free Agents (13)

    QB Caleb Hanie - Gone.
    QB Josh McCown - 1 year vet minimum.
    RB Matt Forte - Sign or franchise (around $6-8 million this year)
    WR Roy Williams - Long shot in camp or Gone.
    TE Kellen Davis - 1 year deal
    DE Israel Idonije - Cap space concern, ideally sign for $3-4 million this year.
    DT Amobi Okoye - 2 year deal
    CB Zackary Bowman - Gone.
    CB Corey Graham - 2 year deal.
    CB Tim Jennings - Compete in camp, likely 1 year deal.
    S Brandon Meriweather (cannot be franchised) - Gone (will not be franchised)
    S Craig Steltz - 1 year deal.
    LS Chris Massey - Compete in camp, winner gets a 2 year deal.

    So we will be down at least one CB, one S, and one QB. It will be interesting to see what changes post-draft. As I posted last thread, I'd like to see us pick up one DE, one LB and one CB in the top four rounds.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    If Israel doesn't come back for 1 or 3 million let him go.

  • Brandon Marshall is my preferred WR for Jay, but he's too expensive in terms of a trade. I'd rather see the Bears take a FA in Bowe or VJax and wait for Marshall's contract to expire in Miami or his stock to drop.

  • Crunch, saw the Santorum card. The guy is an idiot, its as simple as that. Its a shame because the tea party started off with a good message (smaller government) but it just became a magnet for everything that is wrong with right wing politics.

    As a Jew, I have no problem with a politician on national television saying that that he/she is looking forward to celebrating the ressurection of their families' personal savior this Easter. But don't put that on a Hannukah card.

    To borrow one from Mr. Bean; I wouldn't trust Santorum to sit the right way on a toilet seat.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    I remember when Hughes posted the top ten Christmas movies and you remarked that there were no iconic Hannukah films. I looked around for one, because surely you were mistaken. But no, there really isn't. WTF? If Hollywood is run by Jews, as I have been taught, they're making movies for Santorum. The least the little fucker could do is send a Hannukah card that doesn't say Jews "walk in darkness."

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    There's this:


    Not really iconic per se...

  • In reply to gpldan:

    That was a stinker.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Ha! Thats the first movie I thought of in response to the post. I remember going to see it in the theaters with a big group of the family. I still want my $8 back!

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    Jesus was Jewish NB. He's the reason why Christians understand the Jewish plight. I don't think you can find more ardent non Jewish supporters of Israel than historically savy Christians. We understand Israel's position more clearly than the rest of the world. Jesus is the cornerstone of our faith and his love for the Jewish people has endeared Jews to us. If you really think about it, where would Israel be without their support of the most influential Christian nation on earth?

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    Hoooo boy...while there has certainly been a strain of Christianity that has believed in the necessity of the existence of Israel, for theological reasons, I wouldn't say "Christians understand the Jewish plight" unequivocally. Even more so, historically savvy Christians also recognize the relentless persecution of Jews that the Christian Church engaged in for more than a thousand years after the co-opting of Rome's civil authority.
    I'd also tentatively say that Israel owes a larger debt to its modern form and the continuing support, in the varying degrees that it existed, by the western powers of Great Britain and the United States, more to realpolitik concerns than anything having to do with evangelical Christians.
    I think I know what you're saying; I just think the last comment in particular is a little off base.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I just think Israeli chicks are hot.


  • In reply to gpldan:

    I support this statement.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I have a weakness for Natalie Portman myself.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I'm a happily married man myself... to an Israeli chick of course :)

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    There's no such thing as happily married. Stop lying to us!

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    uuuuhhhhh... that's a little like saying old, rich white guys in the south 'get the plight' of the black man trac.

    Maybe not as bad, but not one of your strongest statements.

    Any help given to israel has been provides strictly for political means.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Are you a Christian MB? Say what you want about religion but the scriptures have proven to be the most accurate historical documents ever written concerning Israel. Read the Bible, understand the Bible and you have a perfect understanding of Israel's History. That's all I was saying.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    Perfect is probably a stretch.
    Is it invaluable? Yes. Indubitably.
    I can't go there.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    Jesus was a Jewish, but he rejected Judaism in favor of his own "addendum" to the bible. Jews don't recognize that addendum and its... let's say... "in poor taste" to attach a quote from that addendum to a Hannukah card. I'm not denigrating your faith in any way or associating what I assume is your sincere faith with the attrocities of the middle ages. But its your faith, not the Jewish faith.

    Evangenlicals have a win/win relationship with Israel. They support the Jews with money and political influence, for which we say thank you. In turn, we provide the safest and most open access of any country in the middle east to evangelical tourists and christian residents of Israel (know any christians living in Jordan?). Nothing wrong with that relationship at all, but don't think you're the only ones doing a good thing.

    Also, it is no secret that evangelicals want to proselytize the Jews - so their motives aren't purely charitable.

    Its possible Santorum was taken advantage of here by some opportunistic "Jews for Jesus" who represent a distinctly tiny fringe group (many of whom are not Jewish. Ron Paul was victimized in that way when a Neturei Karta representative walked over to shake his hand after a rally - now people think Ron Paul is anti-Israel. The difference here is that Santorum should have staff check publications his campaign sends out a bit more carefully than screening the people he shakes hands with.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    They said the same things about Jimmy Carter. He isn't Anti-Israel, he's anti-apartheid.

  • Jimmy Carter is anti-Israel because he thinks what Israel is doing is apartheid. Not apologizing for every single action of the Israeli military since the 1940s, but I am categorically stating that the "apartheid" Carter is complaining about is a myth.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    Can he simply be against one policy of Israel without being anti-Israel?

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Which policy? Seems to me he opposes the basic premise of Israel's right to exist and Israel's right to defend itself from the threat of terrorist regime.

    Imagine if Afghanistan and the rest of the middle east were where Mexico is. Imagine if the Mexican population of the US was actually an Arab population from that same middle east neighbor. Imagine you live in San Diego, 15 minutes from the border of a country whose charter dictates that you be killed. That is the reality of living in Israel. And Jimmy Carter gets upset that they have heightened security.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    He doesn't although I certainly follow your particular line of reasoning, such as it is.
    I really think that analogy is pretty unnecessary.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    Imagine all the people... ah, fuck it. Here's the best vid on the Israeli-Palistinian conflict. NSFW


  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    But Israel have not done what they agreed to do, way back when. It's not like Palestine invaded someone's country and looked for a fight. 'Heightened security' ? I've never heard Apartheid called that before ... but something tells me we're not going to resolve this on a football blog. Not when there's religion and Whitney Houston to talk about.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    Irish is right for once - dead celebrities and rules to live by when living in the desert two thousand years ago definitely trump equal rights for Arab Israelis.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    There's nothing Christian about armed forces Trac. Absolutely not one shred of God's love is there to be found.

    Thou shalt not kill.

    Christians from countries who have been historically occupied or oppressed empathise much more so with Palestine. Apartheid is not cool. Jesus would not approve.

  • And there can be no 'but's after 'Thou shalt not kill' or 'what God meant to say ....', or the Supreme Court's 're-wording' of the Word ... 'Thou shalt not commit murder'. That's not what it used to say.

    Thou shalt not kill.

  • It was pretty low on the list, to be fair.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:


  • Actually, the most correct translation of "Lo Tirtzach" (modern hebrew transliteration) is "Don't Murder." I'm probably the most qualified guy on the blog to translate that statement, but you can disagree with me if it makes for better conversation.

    It is difficult to say that G-d made a blanket ban on killing giving the clear instances of the death penalty and of the commandment to make war on certain nations in the Torah. I make no comment about christian interpretations any more than on modern readings that shape scripture to jive with modern polical agendas.

    But with that said, there are 1000s (not exagerating) of examples of scriptures which have to be read a bit strangely to be properly understood. For example, the thrice stated verse "Do not cook a sheep in its mother's milk" is the basis for pretty much the entire blanket ban on mixing meat and dairy in the laws of keeping kosher.

  • One of my good friends in college was a Palestinian Christian - his family had lived there for centuries - he was no great fan of Israel. As you say, there's a pretty broad variety of Christians - there are, after all, vastly more Christians in the rest of the world than exist in the whole of the US.

    Interesting discussion.

    In regards to the armed forces, I'll let someone else take that one on. I'm not going to be objective about it.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I've seen your true colors regarding the armed forces, MBP. Admit it, your a neo-con ala Bill Kristol and Charles Krauthammer. Hell, you even posted an article from that political rag the National Review last weekend. All in jest of course. We probably share similar views on this topic.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    You got me.
    Although now that you mention it, I do have a fondness for Churchill.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I've always been fascinated by Churchill. He's kind of an enigma. Read a few biographies of him. The first war book I ever read that captured my imagination was about The Battle of Britain (excluding a cheap biography about Custer as a hero). The Spitfire is still my favorite plane, and the swallow is still my favorite bird watch fly.
    Favorite Churchill quote : "I took more from alcohol than alcohol took from me."
    Another great quote from Cliff Claven:

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    This one is mine:
    “Lady Nancy Astor: Winston, if you were my husband, I'd poison your tea.
    Churchill: Nancy, if I were your husband, I'd drink it.”

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    If I'd had a boy, I pondered naming him Spencer...which my wife was vaguely ok with at the time.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    Into the storm and The gathering storm are must-sees. Finney plays him in one, and Brendan Gleason - a paddy! - plays him in the other. Post and pre-war. Great stuff.

    The Iron Lady was a surprisingly good movie - Streep is amazing in it, I completely forgot I was watching Meryl Streep. There was a lot of Churchill in Thatcher and it brings home how hard the choices she faced really were. Good flick though.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    I think the William Manchester biography of him is simply superb.
    Which reminds me!!!
    The final installment of that biography is due this year, as completed by his co-author.
    Since I'm in limbo waiting for the third part of Rick Atkinson's Liberation Trilogy (which I highly, highly recommend) due in 2013, now I have something to really get excited about...thanks for setting me down that train of thought, Corm!

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    mail carriers
    to the rescue
    of human ignorance

  • I respectfully disagree with you Irish. That command has to be looked at in context. Thy shalt not kill is accurately translated from Hebrew as "murder". Thy shalt not murder is more specific than kill wouldn't you say.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    This is where we could get into the "what God meant to say..." rigmarole. My Hebrew is a little shaky :o)

    Murder is the unlawful killing of another. But whose law? God's? Surely anyone with the most passing knowledge of Jesus would accept that war/killing would be abhorrent to him. The Afghanistan and Iraq invasions were unlawful according to the U.N. which did not sanction them. So technically I'd call that murder. The allies in WWII were carrying out justifiable killing.

    An argument could be made for invading Afghanistan, the Taliban etc., but Iraq?

    If one is religious, then one has to look at Jesus and what he stood for. He just doesn't seem to me to be the kind of guy that would watch over a conflict and say "Get some!".

    We're officially in the Blog off-season. Gentlemen, start your engines!

  • See my comments above.

  • I agree with you on what our foreign policy has morphed into Irish. Jesus told his disciples that after he was gone there would be a time for them to take up the sword. He also told them that when He returned, He would return with the sword.

    As far as Iraq, I strongly agree that we attacked Iraq based on a lie perpetrated by the U.S. military industrial complex and intelligencia community for strictly political reasons. As despicable as the Iraqi regime was, this country should never have invaded Iraq for the reason they gave.

  • killing is simply
    the act
    of re-shaping
    why war
    for profit
    of course
    prescott bush
    knew this quite well

  • By Mark J. Miller

    A few big-name wide receivers are scheduled to be free agents this offseason, including Wes Welker, DeSean Jackson, and Reggie Wayne. And because of that, another fella will likely be hitting the market when the free-agent window opens on March 13: San Diego Chargers vet Vincent Jackson.
    The San Diego Union-Tribune reports that even though "there is expected to be a line of teams" who want to sign Jackson, the team "will almost certainly allow Jackson to hit the free agent market next month."
    The Chargers will be sure to let Jackson's agent know that they want to be bidders, of course, but the team won't be trying to sign him to a deal before then. He was asking for $10 million annually more than a year ago, the paper notes, and his price hasn't likely gone down.
    The 29-year-old Jackson has been with the Chargers since the team drafted him in 2005 out in the second round out of Northern Colorado. He had 1,106 receiving yards and nine touchdowns this past season.

  • No way known the Bears are gonna give this guy 10 big ones. Not happening. Six for Marshall, yes.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WPuQzPsevw

    Okay okay.. I want to keep Briggs..but only if he plays like this everygame..Asking too much?

  • that call was SUCH BULLSHIT. man, makes me angry every time I see it.

    The pussification of the NFL, right coach.

  • Oh my.....


  • In reply to gpldan:


    Full disclosure: I have a collection of F1GP posters from the late 1960s. This link is RF2 for '68, which is the shanizzle.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I imagine you don't do that with a hangover.,,at least more than the first time.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    love F1 maing. My dad used to take me when they had the Long Beach and Del Mar races. Love it, thanks for the vid.

    btw, if you're into that GP you should get GT5 and one of these: http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-PlayStation-Driving-Force-Racing-3/dp/B0015HYPOO

    Mine's just sitting there collecting dust, I'm gonna hook it back up this weekend. Vroom vroom.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    btw, if you haven't ever been to this, I HIGHLY recommend it to all car/old car/sports car enthusiasts: http://www.concorso.com/

    Make a trip of it and take the boy GP. He won’t ever forget it. But book hotels and dinning arrangements early… like 6 months early.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Pantera is gorgeous.


    Is this the thing Leno always goes to?

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Yes. Been three times with my pops and popsin law. Both car freaks.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I don't like driving games per se, I just like open wheel racing of the late 1960s. GT physics, no offense, suck. I used to race a formula ford in my 20s - it was a POS that me and a friend used up way too much money fixing and rebuilding:


    We had a very old flat deck frame like #10 here:

    We sucked, but we loved racing it. Guys with more coin routinely killed us, and we couldn't afford to go very often, but we had fun.

    Once you've done Skip Barber or something like that, the only "video game" that doesn't feel stupid is iRacing with a proper FF wheel. I know that makes me sound like a snob, but GT5 might as well be the old sit down arcade game Pole Position for what its worth.


  • In reply to gpldan:


  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Does look good.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    wow, insane. Awesome post GP.

    God I love europe. Gotta get back soon.

  • Jesus said, "by their fruits you shall know them".

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    And then?

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    (rustles through The Good Book)

    ".....blessed are the cheesemakers ...."

  • You ain't kidding. Cheesemakers are a link to the divine...

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Now that we're talking about grapes, figs, and cheese, I'm getting hungry. Thanks alot.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    ...man I need to go to Napa soon.

    Hey Rabbit, check out our favortie little cheese shop in SD, the place sells manna, fucking manna: http://www.venissimo.com/

  • In reply to MB30SD:


  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I would like to retire from my current industry and just make cheese.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I cut the cheese all the time maing.

    I'd do wine. Shit, wine AND cheese... Why not while I dreaming.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Ever had 10 year old aged Wisconsin sharp cheddar?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    There's two local places, in Newport News and Williamsburg respectively, that are pretty great...but Whole Foods still has the best cheese counter, lb for lb (hah!).
    I don't have a choice at the moment because the closest Whole Foods is up in Richmond until the Norfolk hipster location gets built this summer.
    I would absolutely, if I had the capital, the land, and the time, open a cheese-making operation. Maybe when the wife retires from active duty (all though that may be at 30 yrs, not 20, if she makes rank again quickly).

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    He also says in Mathew 5:17-19 that all the old testament rules apply.

    I know many people who do not follow those rules. Some of you know them but if you read into them, they are pretty out there.

  • Leviticus 19:19
    World English Bible
    "'You shall keep my statutes. "'You shall not crossbreed different kinds of animals. "'you shall not sow your field with two kinds of seed; "'neither shall there come upon on you a garment made of two kinds of material.

    And how about this one ...

    "Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day there shall be to you an holy day, a sabbath of rest to the LORD: whosoever doeth work therein shall be put to death." - (Exodus 35:2)

  • Spiritual things are only spiritually discerned.

  • Man was not made for the Sabath Irish, the Sabath was made for man.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    That's also not as simple as you say it... for several reasons.

  • The top three all apply and are kept by contemporary orthodox Jews. For example, I do not wear a garment made of wool and linen ("two kinds of material" requires a bit of explanation). If I buy a new suit, I have it checked by those who know how to check if any of the stitching is made of problematic material.

    Jewish farmers do not cross-breed seeds or animals, although there is no prohibition on purchasing cross-bred items from a non-Jew (like buying a mule).

    The death penalty for Sabbath violation requires a lot of explanation which is beyond the scope of this post, but suffice to say it does not apply to anyone currently driving on Saturdays.

  • Rather simplistic way to look at that. You can not take a couple of verses from the Bible and explain the meaning of it. I know you did not read two paragraphs from your calculus studies and then have an understanding of the meaning. By what your opinion on the meaning of it is, you don't have an understanding of it. It's impossible to debate spiritual things on Da Blog, way too complicated.

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    Yeah, I agree. Sometimes I believe people make religion more complicated than it is.

    The hard part is basically what you said, its impossible to debate. There are parts in bible that does not make sense now though.

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    Correct Murph, I don't hink we should get into religion either. There's no discussion to be had when someone hides behind faith, although I don't like that spirituality gets taken away from agnostics like myself. I'm spiritual, just not religious. I don't buy any of the fairy tales I was sold. Faith is the abandonment of questioning - the basic function of the human mind. It is the antithesis, counterpoint and complete bypass of logical thought. It is scared by, and nullified by rational reasoning.

    But you're right, it doesn't belong on a Bears' blog. It's an uncomputable number, there can be no resolution. Politics is fair game though - there should be plenty of discussion on how humaity is being screwed over by their banks and 'caretakers'.

  • Being raised without indoctrination, I have less baggage about religion than most. Yours is revealed by the implicit position of inferiority that you place faith in your statements about it being "scared" and "nullified by" rational reasoning. Logically,the converse of that statement is equally true.

    So far as I can tell, faith and reason are independent realms. Neither is explainable or defensible in terms of the other. Neither is inherently superior or inferior to the other, although I will say that *I* understand reason better than faith. Of course your opinions on that last point may differ :-)

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    Logically, the contrapositiveis true, not the converse necessarily. (Not weighing in, just pointing out a logical fallacy).

  • Oh, all right.

  • Then stop taking pot shots Irish.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    You started this discussion, Trac.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    No I didn't, I commented on a post intentionally designed to slam Santorum because of a scripture on some stupid hanukkah card.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    That is not true, Trac. My post was not "intentionally designed to slam Santorum." Read it again:

    Thought you might appreciate this, if you haven't seen it: Hanukkah card sent out by the Santorum campaign -- Link

    It is clearly addressed to NBiT. I thought he would get a kick out of it because he previously commented on the lack of Hannukah related messages in the holiday season.

    It was offered without commentary. The only slam on Santorum is the card itself. But you said the card was a testament to Santorums courage.

    Fine. I didn't want to argue with you. The post was not meant for you. I simply acknowledged your reply, without comment. But you persisted, commenting again on my post to NBiT and again when NBiT belatedly responded to it on this thread. Along the way, your comments on Santorum's Christian courage, the need for it today's anti-Christian culture, and the Jewish debt to Christianity brought others into the discussion.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    Oh, I think it's equally ridiculous when Athiests insist absolutely that there is no higher power, Trac. That's my point. For anyone to get up on their high horse either side of the argument is arrogance. It is an argument that can and most likely never will be resolved, so what's the point ? Good luck to all believers and non-believers just the same, we are after all all facets of the one true consciousness which I call nature - there si really no separate-ness and we all come from the lake of life.

    Forgive me :o)

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    The Bible is a big book of stories, poems, quotes, biographies and crazy decrees by various authors who often disagree and kill one another. A blog is too good for it.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    Shit, that does sound too good for a blog.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    A blog is the perfect place for the Bible.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    That's a lie Crunchy.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    Which part? That it was put down on paper by different people at different times? That's unequivocally true.

    That they killed each other? That's gibberish; I don't know why Crunch threw that in or what it's supposed to reference.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I was shitfaced when I wrote that (yesterday was a hard day. I was mentally exhausted. I started drinking and writing to relax. Normally, I don't post in that situation. But the goofiness of what I wrote, juxtaposed against Irish's really excellent comment, cracked me up, so I posted. Sorry, Irish).

    As far as authors of the Bible killing one another, I didn't mean it in the sense of, for example, "Karl Marx killed Adam Smith." Their adherents kill one another. Jews, Christians, and Moslem's kill one another. Members of schisms within each group kill one another. Jesus "authored" the Christian sect. He and his followers were killed by the established sect. Etc.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Off the top of my head... you've got Moses who is frequently quoted and you've got the evil Bilam, who famously blesses the Jews three times when trying to curse them. So if both of them can be called "authors" (both are quoted in the Torah, which was authored by G-d), then Moses did kill Bilam. So there you go.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    I don't think you can call them "authors" any more than Jesus Christ was an "author" of the New Testament.
    But it's sort of academic anyway.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    I did specifically mention quote's, MBHP. The author of a quote is the person quoted.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    Of course, when gods and mythical figures are quoted...

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    This is angels dancing on the head of a pin territory.

    Is God the Author?
    Is Moses the Author?
    Or the anonymous scribe who transitioned the stories about Moses worshipping God from oral tradition to written document?

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    I hate this software! Can't find your Hebrew translation comment without crashing this @#%$% blog, NBIT but thanks for the input - I don't like English translations of the Bible so I appreciate the Hebrew aspect. Still, I guess it comess back to what one's definition of murder is, and what was intended ....

  • I generally hate the whole "flash mob" meme and I don't even particularly like hockey but this one got me right in the soft spot (explains my liberalism, doesn't it?):

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I saw that, awesome.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Good commercial for a HORRIBLE beer. You ever notice that the taste and quality of a beer is inversely related to the number of commercials they put on TV? I dont think I've ever seen a Sierra Nevada commercial, probably because its the best beer on earth.

  • South African beer.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Castle Lager baby!




    Three words... Vu. Vu. Zela.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Best use of a Europe song for $400, Alex.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Do they still make Lion Lager MB?

  • Ha ha. I always say that. It's always the ugliest gals who need the most make up. It's kind like this (any excuse to share an "I'm gonna get you sucka" scene!)


    "Stay thirsty, my friends"

  • I love hippies, but I HATE Sierra Nevada,

    If that makes me evil, so be it.

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    No it just means you have bad taste in beer and most likely drink something I can read an eye chart while looking through a glass of.

  • Jesus. Compared to Anderson Valley Brewing, Mendocino Brewing, and Stone Brewing, Sierra Nevada is fizzy yellow beer. Awards be damned.

    The Celebration Ale is a fine winter ale though.

  • I believe the Torpedo Extra IPA is not at all bad, actually.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    I think that is an excellent IPA .

  • Hmmm... Actually, I used to only like dark beers. Newcastle pre-heineken buyout was my favorite. Then it was Guinness.

    Now I don't fuck with beer. Jamison. Makers. Occasionally knob creek when I feel like throwing up.

    Sierra Nevada was just too skunky for me. Every white kid with dreads I knew drank it by the truck load and never understood it.

    I might be evil, but at least I'm not a judgmental cunt.

    Wait, yes I am. I guess game recognize game.

  • Palm, brewed by Belgian monks. That was nectar.

  • Chimay, Chimay, Chimay....
    Although, if we're talking trippels, I do not mind the stuff that New Belgium makes either, and at a fraction of the price.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:


    Ommegang was an interesting time of my life.

    I can't mess with those these days.

    If my booze has carbonation or sweetness I get angry. And sick.

  • A beer called "Fort Pitt" was the worst. Sour, metallic, with a hint of vomit.

    I drink Yuengling day to day (I'm drinking it right now), and Becks when I want something I really like. Never tasted Palm, Irish. I've heard Monk beer is the best.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    I had never heard of Yuengling until I got out here to the East Coast; I guess it's OK - it seems like folks out here swear by it but I thought it was just OK. Tastes OK and the price point is pretty low, so I won't complain. It's sure not Natty Ice.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Yuengling Traditional Lager is basically the Old Style of the region where I live. It's cheap here, and very good for the price. Good enough for the Commander-in-Chief, cheap bastard. I would be drunk on Monk beer if I had to run this mess.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    Forgot the link:


  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    He must have picked that up while attending Columbia - I don't think I ever saw it in the Midwest.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I can't confirm it, but I've heard it's sold there and elsewhere, at a high price. Yuengling markets it as a "microbrewery" beer, though Yuengling is the oldest and largest American-owned brewery in the US.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    That's funny since out here it's cheaper than Miller Lite.

  • I have to go with Boulevard Unfiltered Wheat...pure, simple, incredible.
    And they have no distributor in the area that carries it.
    My dad is bringing me a case from Illinois today...

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Hmm.. never even seen it. Bummer.

  • In reply to SC Dave:


    They have just recently begun plans to distribute a small portion of their beers to the Boston market; that's their only East Coast presence at this point.

  • Speaking of untouchable, is Hester untouchable?

    I love the dude, but he's a subpackage WR at best - KR are nearly irrelevant now - and he's not exactly a gunner.

    I know a lot of folks around here don't like DeSean Jackson, but later in the season he maned up.

    If Jackson can be had for a reasonable price, I think he's Hester's replacement, not now, but in a year or two.

    If we do get DeSean that would give us more mula to go after another mid-tier FA too, maybe CB Brent Grimes or LT McNeil then naturally we draft a big WR, Ashlon Jeffries or Michael Floyd.

    How sick would that be? Jeffries and Desean on the outside, with Bennett or Hester in the slot, and a line of McNeil, C.Williams, Garza, Louis, BearJew, and Forte pounding the rock?

  • Also, for those thinking that Hester is that much more better than DeSean on PRs, check out this link.


    Hester avg 11.283 yds/pr
    Jackson avg 11.000 yds/pr

    Jackson is nearly as good Hester in returns, and is everything Hester is supposed to be as a WR. I'm also guessing that when Hester's contract is up, he's still gonna want to get paid like a #1 WR not a return man like before.

  • I'm also guessing that when Hester's contract is up, he's still gonna want to get paid like a #1 WR not a return man like before.

    He'd have no basis in reality to do that. Of course, this is the guy whose agent (rumor) said he didn't want to run routes across the middle to the Bears.

    For all of Hester's elusiveness, his brain seems hard-wired into the PR thing. On O, despite numerous laterals to him, he rarely gets by his corner.

    I agree Jackson is a true wideout, with real hands and runs real routes. I should think the Eagles will want to keep him and his speed as long as Vick is the man.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    The Eagles may not have a choice. They're at $113 mil, $7 mil from the cap. The "Dream Team" went all in, kinda like the Vikes the year before; now they're both in Cap Hell.

    Eagles are going to have to let go or do some major back loaded contract for DeSean, but it could happen.

  • desean has a big, stinky, leaky vagina. fuck that guy in his whiny, pointy little face.

  • In reply to MB30SD:


  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Yup. Ixnay on the leaky vagina being a Bear.

  • I will not be party to anyone entertaining thoughts about MeSean Jackson on the Chicago Bears.
    To quote one of my personal heroes, he's as useful as a poopy-flavored lollipop.

    I f-cking HATE that guy.

  • Kinda doubt Hester would be asking for #1 WR money. Even if he is, I'm pretty sure he would settle for much less.

    NFL.com shows the following;
    # KR AVG TD's # PR AVG TD's
    DJ 3 6.3 0 116 10.6 4

    DH 146 23.6 5 206 12.9 12

    Jackson has been in the league 4 years vs Devin's been in the league 6 years.

    Hester is the GOAT returner + a great guy. Jackson is very talented + a completely selfish idiot. Be careful what you wish for.

  • I think if we draft WR in the first we screw our draft, I really do. If I was Emery I'd make serious plays for Marshall and Mario Williams, then attempt to do some deal where we get Konz AND Burfict. Another O-lineman will appear from somewhere.

    The line will be improved by Tice once he has his players back healthy even if they don't get anyone new.

    Beast, Bennett, Roy, a little Hester, Spaeth, Davis and Forte. If Cutty can't the ball moved around with those targets then we need a different QB. Remember, Tice is going to use Cutty to the best of his strengths. That means roll-outs to me, and less seven-step madness. Marshall is the key piece.

  • I totally agree with you Irish.

    Just hear me out. If we cannot get either of those guys and the WR position becomes too expensive or if someone in the draft is better, Emery will go get him.

    This is the guy that fought hard for the Falcons to pick White.

  • Jimmy's not a gnome anymore. Oez Noez.


    I also don't think he has any say-so on the overall shitness of this site. He's the sports community manager, poor guy.

    The weird thing is, this is a Wordpress 2.0 site. So, there really is no excuse on why it's so terrible, why the style sheet pages are so stupid, why the auth box usually screws up and locks many broswers, why sometimes word wrap just stops working in somebody's post. They have a master design tool, and managed to make Homer Simpson's The Homer with it.


  • In reply to gpldan:

    He's looking Sgt. Pile these days...

  • In reply to gpldan:

    And auto-sign in ..... we went to the moon .... but we can't do auto-sign in.

  • Speaking of the Cap...

    Projected Cap for 2012


    Teams that have the cap space to make big moves in free agency.

    Cincinnati Bengals $80,641,237

    Tennessee Titans $92,739,765

    Washington Redskins $94,351,284

    Kansas City Chiefs $95,844,195

    Tampa Bay Buccaneers $98,899,458

    Atlanta Falcons $100,227,174

    Denver Broncos $101,389,121

    New England Patriots $101,827,381

    Chicago Bears $101,887,741

    San Francisco 49ers $102,938,980

    Cleveland Browns $103,789,162


    Teams that aren’t up against the cap, but need to make smart moves to avoid trimming a ton of players and salaries.

    Jacksonville Jaguars $107,270,274

    Buffalo Bills $108,426,522

    Seattle Seahawks $111,742,430

    San Diego Chargers $111,960,165

    New Orleans Saints $113,358,069

    Philadelphia Eagles $113,964,694

    Baltimore Ravens $115,670,281

    Minnesota Vikings $116,078,422

    Houston Texans $116,306,676

    Miami Dolphins $116,636,173

    Indianapolis Colts $116,773,288

    Green Bay Packers $118,001,169

    Arizona Cardinals $118,787,639


    Teams that will be at, or over the projected salary cap once they’ve signed the rookie class. These teams must purge their roster moving forward. The higher the cap number, the more drastic the cut backs need to be.

    St. Louis Rams $120,982,904

    Detroit Lions $122,760,121

    New York Giants $124,735,807

    New York Jets $128,092,733

    Dallas Cowboys $128,910,735

    Carolina Panthers $129,962,768

    Oakland Raiders $140,861,316

    Pittsburgh Steelers $149,885,537


  • On a side note, Bengals 40 mil under the cap! WTF!

    The Bengals are gonna be a scary team. Their cheapness is even more legendary than ours, and this year, it may pay off.

    They can actually sign both M.Williams AND VJax. Oh, and they also have TWO 1st round picks.

    Imagine Vjax paired with AJ Green - and what if RB Trent Richardson falls to them? That would be sick.

    M.Williams on that already decent D...

    buh-bye Steelers...

  • I have less faith in Marvin Lewis than I do in Lovie.

  • Goes to show, we will have competition for a lot of the FA's we want.

  • Not good to see the Niners Falcons and Skins in there with us. Nice to see the Lions, Girls and Giants can't do anything fancy though.

  • Skins are going to waste on someone that they shouldn't.

    They always do.

  • All right. I know who I want the Bears to go after and you can agree or disagree.

    Mario Williams(He will help Peppers and be a force)
    Brandon Marshall (Hopefully only one possibly two third rounders)
    Matt Forte(I know he will not take a paycut but I am willing to franchise him)
    Lance Briggs(add more years to his contract..if he doesn't like that then trade him)
    Okyoe, Jennings,K.Davis, and Graham to cheap 1 or 2 year deals. Have Graham and Jennings compete at CB.

    1st pick(Best talent availible. WR, LB, DE, SS, or FS)
    2nd pick(Look for a LB, G, C, CB, or DE)
    and so on.

    IF we get Mario Williams, he will help the secondary and safeties look a lot better. Only getting Marshall will be tough but maybe we can get a cheap pickup at WR or get someone legit in the draft.

    Please remeber some how last year we were averaging 24 or 25 points with the crap we had last year.

  • remember

  • And we were scoring about 30 a game before Cutty went down with the crap we had. MW and BM alone would make me happy. Draft Konz and we're going places. We're pretty light at LB though, so Burfict would be sweet.

  • I likery Irish. It needs to get done.

  • *If* we got Williams and Marshall, why not take Konz? Can we *really* afford to wait until the 2nd round to take OL?

    The offensive line is mediocre at best. Focus is still needed there, probably more than anywhere else.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    I like Konz but is he really first round material?

    The OL in this draft is very thin.

  • Barely - and Center is not the biggest position of need on the O-line right now, so I don't see any way we pick him. He's bottom of the 1st round at best, so if we want him, we either trade down or trade up for him. Either way, highly unlikely pickup if he doesn't drop way down in the second.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    That's why SC.

    WR, DB, and LB are plentiful in this draft. OL is what you can find.

  • By the way, MB, did you notice that we did not have one single Roughing the Passer or unnecessary roughness called?

    Or did I miss one?

  • we had plenty Erik. I can think of two that were unfairly given to Pep. Can't remember which games though.

  • Iirc, we had two totally fucked up roughing calls against the holy one. I think Peppers got called for nudging Tebow two feet to the side, and (Idonije?) got called for taking Tebow down low after (Idonije?) was taken to the ground himself by Denver's OL.

  • My bad guys. I meant in the Superbowl. Crunch.. What happend to my name there..Lirc? lol

    Does anyone remember any? None. I was positive that three would have been called because they were hitting in that game.

  • On this thread, I've read the following players that some of you are willing to trade:


    Some asshole even said to send Peanut to the bench. After his first probowl an despite causing more fumbles than anyone since he's been in the league.

    Whatever Da Blog is smoking, I want some.

    You know what else I want, I want a PS3 so I can join in all the virtual killing fun. Did the bible say anything about whether we shall or shall not virtuallly kill?

    I will take charity. GP? You have money. Or maybe you all could pony up a few bucks. I'll chip in the first $50. Any takers?

    Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?

  • If the Bulls win the championship, I'll toss you a $20.

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    I tell the homeless on the bridge that leads to Metra to fuck off every day, so I'm pretty steeled against this kind of thing.

    Didn't I tell you? I'm a big tax and spend liberal, as long as its with other people's money.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I have some Filipino slave labor running an offshore betting ring in the Caymans. I pay them in coconuts and counterfeit Euros. I'll see if I can ring you up an account there.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Better yet, can you get me a job there?

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Hilarious. Great post gp.

  • I was going to get one but I rather go to a Bears game than buy a PS3

  • Attaboy Artoo.

  • sure doc. I'm in. I'll shoot you a quarter hundy.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Kidding bro. But thanks.

  • My guess is the Bible frowns upon virtual bloodlust.**

    I say this because the Bible states that he who lusts in his heart commits adultery.

    ** With some exceptions.

  • Sign DeSean Jackson. Trade Hester for Brandon Marshall. Set at Receiver.

  • In reply to JWilson:

    Hester and a third might get you Marshall.

  • Bear fans could never allow that trade to go down. It is so tempting though.

  • I love Hester as much as the next fan, and I hope He's a Bear for life, and trading him don't seem right. But, if trading him improves the team and gets us closer to a championship I'm all for it!

  • In reply to JWilson:

    It wouldn't, so I'm not.

  • I got my first Jay Cutler jersey. It was a premier jersey and it was only 40.00

    It's pretty nice.

  • Brand new btw. It was at Dick's Sporting goods in Paducah, Ky

  • It's the Reebok thing. They lose the license either soon, or already have.

    Shit is going to be sent to Somalia in three weeks along with Patriots 2012 super bowl champs shirts.

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    They already did.

    Didn't think about that. Nike will take over soon. Still won't care lol

  • I nominate Grace Potter to do the Sunday Night football song. On a badassness scale of 1-11, she's at least a 10.5. Both good songs, but the second song is better starting around the 4 minute mark. She's got some moxie and one hell of a voice.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    I'd second that Cor. Could you imagine what that could do for her career? Who knows? Maybe the general public wouldn't become fans. The music business is a complete mystery to me sometimes.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    She's really growing in popularity Canada. Two years ago I could still go see her in a bar for $15.00 with 250 people. Last year she was selling out 2-3 thousand seat venues. Next summer she's opening for Kenny Chesney on a stadium tour. She won a Country Music Award for a duet she did with Chesney, and was featured artist of the month on VH1 earlier this year. Gonna miss the small, intimate shows I've seen since '06 but happy for their success. Very nice, down to earth people.

  • The 'experts' views on FA WRs from NFL.COM :


    m going to take Buffalo free agent Stevie Johnson. I think Vincent Jackson is the best long-term investment, and Wes Welker is the best short-term bet, but if the question is dollar-for-dollar, take the 25-year-old Johnson in the $7-8 million range.

    Johnson has his issues, certainly. He'll need to rein in his outsized personality, which hurts his team at times. He also has an issue with drops, which could be part of a larger focus problem.

    But those things are correctable. He's young, has posted back-to-back 1,000-yard seasons, has size, can get in the end zone, and can get deep. And if you really want proof of his potential, consider this: Darrelle Revis had more trouble covering Johnson than any other receiver in the league the past two years.

    Again, I'm not saying Johnson is the best on the board. But if you want to buy at a moderate price, and have the chance for a big payoff, this Buffalo Bill is where you roll the dice.

    La Canfora :

    Lloyd could be a steal, especially for the Patriots
    Brandon Lloyd has already proven he can post league-high stats with Josh McDaniels and be a true vertical threat in that offense. ... And that was with Kyle Orton throwing the rock.

    No reason to think he couldn't be a free-agent steal, specifically if he ends up in New England, reunited with McDaniels as his offensive coordinator. Oh, and this Tom Brady guy is the quarterback there. And the middle of the field is packed with guys like Wes Welker and Rob Gronkowski taking up space, creating all kinds of room on the outside.

    Lloyd won't be nearly as expensive as some other options out there and he already knows the offense and concepts. Not a bad gamble to me.

    Colston would shine as a Ram or Niner
    Marques Colston has been one of the most underrated players in the NFL for years. Yes, he benefits from playing in the Saints' receiver-friendly system with an incredibly accurate quarterback, but he's also a great route runner with sure hands.

    He's not a No. 1 wideout in every system, but in the right scheme -- at the right price -- he'd be a huge impact player. I could see him being a really nice fit in St. Louis or San Francisco.

    Fabiano :

    V-Jax clearly best option, but fantasy value could dip
    Does anyone really think Welker won't be back with the Patriots? I'd also be shocked if Colston isn't back in the Big Easy. With Reggie Wayne and Plaxico Burress past their prime, I'd have to say Vincent Jackson is the receiver most likely to give a team the most bang for its buck. At 29, he still has plenty of productive NFL years left and offers No. 1 talent. While I do worry about his fantasy value if he leaves the Chargers (and Philip Rivers) for a team with a lesser quarterback, Jackson is clearly the best option for teams looking to upgrade at his position.

    Jason Smith suggested quantity over quality when talking WRs, so I won't bother wasting any inches .....

  • I like S. Johnson a lot. If we got him that would be a bargain price.

    I'm not going to stop bothering Marshall on twitter till he begs to be traded.

    Gay ? Prob, as long as it gets peoples attention.

  • Keep it up bro.

  • Cutler would kill S. Johnson. That guy might have worse hands that Devin Hester.

  • In reply to do53:

    Nu uh.. S.Johnson would tell him it was God's fault.

    Stupidest remark I have heard in awhile.

  • I really hope this is representative of what GMs in the league are thinking, because that means Bowe isn't on anyone's radar and we can get him at a good price.

  • Jeff Joniak sitting down with Emery on video.


    Joniak : What does a Bear have to look like?

    Emery : Tough. Dynamic. Physical. Urgent.

    I like this guy.

  • Bear love?


  • http://www.chicagobears.com/multimedia/multimediapopup.asp?mm_file_id=2882&play_clip=Y

    Emery wants big play guys, tough guys and guys with characters. All right.

  • R.I.P. Whitney.

  • dabearsblog DaBearsBlog
    She sang the best national anthem ever, sure, but nobody on Twitter cared when Ben Gazzara died so fuck off. Ben lasted 40 years.
    about 3 hours ago

    That is about as classless as it gets, Jeff.

  • Surely not Irish.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    That's Jeff's tweet, not mine, Trac. The woman's body was still warm and people couldn't wait to get the knives out. It's just sad. People shouldn't be crucified for being addicts ... especially not by people tweeting from their bar stools.

  • People shouldn't be crucified for being addicts?
    Maybe those same people shouldn't be praised post-mortem for selling records either.

  • And some of you guys think publicans have no place in politics.


  • Don't get the Whitney hate. I never liked her music but she did have an amazing voice. Yes it's a shame she wasted her talent by abusing substances. She was not perfect. I'll never understand why people get so worked up over the substance abuse. She was human. It happens. It's not like she was doing substances to piss people off. R.I.P.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    I don't hate Whitney, myself - just don't get the adulation that gets poured out every time some pop star puts themselves in an early grave.
    I was just as irritated over the months of teeth-gnashing and rending of shirts that followed Michael Jackson's death.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    +1. I hear you, MB, loud and clear.

    And her Ex, Bobby Brown . Collapsing in grief on stage last night.

    Piss off, jerk.
    YOU greased the skids for her demise.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    I'm sure he was genuinely distraught over her death. None of us really know what their dynamic was. Just what the media pounded into us. I kind of doubt that Bobby had to twist her arm to do drugs. It's not unlike when people say "So-and-so got me drunk". Please, you got yourself drunk. Everyone wants to make things black and white. Bobby was the badass and Whitney was an angel before she met him. Pretty sure the truth is in between.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    He's such a POS and a non-entity though. Did you see the clips they played of him in his cycling shorts?

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I'm not sure why it bothers anyone when the media makes a huge deal over these deaths. It's what they do for a living. I find all of it pretty easy to ignore and try to keep in mind a family lost a loved one.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Not the media per se - the twitterverse went ballistic last night. I think it's strange that people treat the death of a complete stranger who had a nice voice as a significant event in their lives.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I'm not a fan of Whitney, but the loss of Lennon, Harrison, Vaughn, Cobain and Cash is significant to me. Others, like Hendrix, Morrison, Joplin, and Allman died before I was really aware of their existence, but their deaths are significant to me also. There will never be another Little Martha.

    I suppose you could add Walter Payton to that list. His life as a football player was already over, but to watch someone who epitomised physical unstoppability laid low by disease...

    The bell rings for thee, MBHP. Admit it. You're a right fighter :)

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    I hardly fit the definition.
    I would say that knowing the difference between the death of someone I know and the death of a celebrity makes me much more balanced than most.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Well I probably do.

    I know at least 20 people I would miss less than a new Travelling Wilbury's or John Lennon album, or a Beatle's reunion, or a few hundred Cobain/Grohl compositions. Is that wrong?

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    It's your life, not mine.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    21 : )

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    lol - should I be honored?

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    You and 20 lucky stiffs would be honored by millions of Beatles fans around the world.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I will cry more for the passing of Stevie Wonder or Paul McCartney than I would for the vast majority of people I know. Somebody you've never met can touch you way more profoundly than people you know. Some people are touched with greatness, most are not. The word celebrity has no meaning now anyway.

  • Hey, whatever floats your boat. I like the Beatles and Stevie too, but writing a fucking pop song doesn't make you more than a gnat on the ass of history.
    If you want to cry over them, knock yourself out. At least McCartney's done more with his life than just snort it at the fastest pace possible. I find it funny you give Whitney a pass but think her ex is a POS non-entity....because you liked one of her songs and thought he sucked?

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    Nice post Crunch. Anything including Duane Allman is great. I don't put much stock in the Grammy's, but it was nice to see the Allman Brothers Band get a Lifetime Achivement Award. Four members were also up for Blues Album of the Year. Tedeschi Trucks Band (Derek Trucks and Oteil Burbidge), Warren Haynes, and Gregg Allman. Tedeschi Trucks won, and rightly so. The Grammy's finally got a few things right.
    I was never into Whitney Houston, but it's hard to discount the impact she had on people with songs like The Greatest Love of All.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    Yeah, Fifth, I saw that. Revelator beat out Low Country Blues and Man in Motion. ABB, damn.

    Tonight it will be all Adele, I suppose. I don't like her much, but Rolling in the Deep is a great song, imo.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I guess it's because she wasn't just some pop star, like Amy Winehouse. She re-defined female singers, inventing the power ballad and taking what her Aunty Dionne did to the next level. She had a scary talent, dare I say God-given, and I was surprised that her passing got me a bit misty as I would never have called myself a fan. Always admired her voice though.

  • I don't disagree, nor would any rational person, that she had a great voice...albeit it ten-fifteen years ago.
    Invented the power ballad? Not quite!!! It was around in the 70's at the latest.

  • I'm not trying to be a wet blanket but why trade good players? We need more good players not different good players.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Sometimes its okay to trade great old players.

    The patriots do it all the time and get younger.

    Granted that hasn't worked out in the past but it still gets them to the Superbowl.

  • Hester is not old. Briggs is over 30 but still performing at a high level. Usually when the Pats get rid of someone, either they are no longer performing at a high level or more trouble than they're worth. Not the case with our older players.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Richard Seymour?

    Deon Branch?

    You could make a case for Branch but he still plays decent with Brady.

    Hester is a one dimensional and Briggs is a good point but we don't know when he or Urlacher drop off.

  • I think you helped me make my point with the Seymour trade. I'm pretty sure they wish they hadn't let him get away.

    Let's give Devin a chance to heal up and play for a sane OC.

    Same with Webb at LT. It's not that I think Webb is anything but avg at best but with a little help with chips from TE's and RB's he would look much better. That nutcase Martz left him on a island with the Minn Hillbilly when it was obvious he needed help. I think Tice is going to make this OL look much better.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    I agree that Tice will make this oline look better. I still don't have faith in Hester and he needs to stick to what is best for him.

  • Hester IS one dimensional. That's one of the reasons I believe we should trade him.

  • http://aggbot.com/Chicago-Bears-News/article/16150600

    Pros and Cons of WR the bears can go after. Pretty nice article.

  • Checked it out. Realistic and a bit sobering.

    Worst case scenario for Bears.

    Vjax gets franchised or patches things up with SD.

    Drew Brees takes a bit less like Brady did to keep Colston.

    Bowe gets franchised

    Steve Johnson gets franchised.

    DeSean works out a deal staying with Vick.

    Than who are we left with? Vjax is the most likely to hit the FA, but teams with a lot of cap space (see cap space post) may just pay him $130 mil with like 50 mil guaranteed. No way the Bears compete with that.

    Than, we're stuck with the Meachems and Waynes of the world, left to gamble on others like Owens, or cross our fingers and hope Marshall can be had for a 3rd.

  • Bruce Weber.... He gone!

  • In reply to EnderWiggin:

    Bummed that he hasn't gotten enough out of the last few teams...as he really is one of the good guys in the sport. He runs an immaculate program and is great in the community. Nice, humble guy in person too.

  • Concussions and the End of Football.

    It's a pretty good article outlining how Football can go the way of boxing and horse racing.

    I think the biggest threat to football is parents taking their kids out of the sport. I already see this happening with some of my family. My brother-in-law loves football, but he's not sure he wants my nephew to play football. This may siphon all the best American athletes to other sports like Basketball, Baseball, Soccer, or even MMA (got to think of the demographic.) in 10-15 years.

    Unless helmet technology advances dramatically to reduce concussions, and thus, CTE, the football we see now may be come to be known as "The Golden Age of Football", so enjoy me boys.

    Here's the link. Check it out.


  • http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/12/new-cba-gives-teams-the-right-to-carry-over-cap-space-automatically/

    I believe the answer to Florio's question is that given the new salary floor... requiring I think 95% of the cap to be spent each year, teams might opt to lower their cap amount if they anticipate not having a player to give the money to. The alternative would be to just dole out some bonus money once your roster is set up, but that would essentially be throwing money away given that all the players would have signed contracts by then.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    Turns out I was wrong. PFT posted that the cap minimum will not be affected by carry-over money.

  • will statistics like these
    change your perspective
    on drafting priorities


  • In reply to The Void:

    here is an extensive
    picture of who brought
    work ethic in every area
    roy "the toys 'r' us" motto
    was in on the most
    offensive pass plays
    what a decoy

  • with this info digested
    hunti sees the need
    to get a top shelf
    pep limped of one
    too many times
    he desrves to be
    blessed with another
    to help carry the burden

  • since swfla is
    the breeding ground
    of all concets dolphin
    i ran the blogs plans
    to lure marshall away
    to one of my closest
    and well respected
    dolphin minds
    he laughed at the plans
    saying he has heard of
    no plan to move marshal
    in the local fla. press at least
    he calls marshall
    a head case
    you know? ,he says, cuckoo!

  • I know we on the blog can be cutthroat's including me especially, but damn..I wish nothing but prayers for the Harris Family...

    Blessings Tommie


  • In reply to lobotobear:

    A 4 month old...damn.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I put a tweet out for him. Hope.

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    my dad knows Tommie and his family. Fucking tragic.

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    Puts things in perspective, eh?

    Best wishes, Tommie.

  • Report: Eagles will place franchise tag on DeSean Jackson


  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDhxKVuVYaY

    she had a voice.

  • Can you tell it's the offseason here at DBB?

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Yep. I am commenting like a mad man and usually we would have got the thread to 1000.

  • Dudes, I need the thread or some new comments about how "The Princess Bride" works at getting laid or getting a girl.

    I remember a few but my roommate still doesn't believe it works. If you guys remember what thread it was or your comment, just write it.


  • http://www.suntimes.com/10600797-417/wife-of-former-bears-dt-tommie-harris-dead-at-29.html

    Sorry Tommy.Prayers go out to you.

  • Auto correct .I hate you. Tommie.

  • http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/02/12/2011-tackling-the-cornerbacks/

    Look at our CB's might be shocked.

  • Interesting. One of those things that are not often discussed.

    You will probably remember me on there posting more than once about how much I count tackling for a free safety - it would interesting to see where our guys stand there.

  • http://www.csnchicago.com/blog/bears-talk/post/Buyer-beware-Top-wide-receivers-on-the-m?blockID=648930&feedID=626

    I forgot about week 2.

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