We All Need To Stop Talking About Forte and the Franchise Tag

We All Need To Stop Talking About Forte and the Franchise Tag

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The Bears will have until March 5 to either (1) use the tag on running back Matt Forte, (2) sign the double deuce to a long term contract extension or (3) allow him to dip his toes in the calm, cool waters of free agency. Assuming the latter is a non-option (and I do), the Bears have only a few weeks to decide how much of their 2012/future salary cap to tie up in the league's most fragile position.

Many fans have been clamoring for the Bears to lock Forte up long term for the entire season. They have been joined in their somewhat tired refrain by the talking heads at the four-letters who constantly take the side of players because apparently every single retired NFL player is immediately offered work in Bristol. For those of you who haven't spent a half hour with Tim Hasselbeck and Damien Woody as they debate Peyton Manning's future I am truly envious. (I don't know who is making the football decisions at ESPN but they apparently also believe Jon Gruden is a star analyst so I give up.) The overall sentiment has been overwhelmingly pro-Forte.

But does it matter? Does any of it matter? When you take a close look at the idiotic contract the Panthers gave DeAngelo Williams or the top-heavy deal the Titans gave Chris Johnson, it becomes apparent once again that NFL franchises have their players over the pool table and they are holding the cue stick at an intimidating angle. The length of the contract (years) and salary breakdowns (per) are meaningless. All that matters to the franchise is that they give themselves as many outs over the duration of the contract as possible and Cliff Stein - Bears negotiator extraordinaire - is not know for hamstringing the team with bad contracts. What players want is guaranteed money and Matt Forte will surely seek to equal the $22 million the Panthers guaranteed Williams while falling short of the $30 million the Titans gave Johnson.

What does that mean? It means we're not actually discussing what fans think we're discussing. The "should we pay Forte" debate has nothing to do with how long the running back's tenure will be with the franchise; the only thing fans should care about. The debate has everything to do with how rich should we make Forte currently in order to satisfy him both emotionally and physically as the coming season approaches. The Bears could give Forte a five-year deal tomorrow with a boat load of guaranteed cash and still cut him before the first day of the 2014 league year. Or they could franchise tag him in 2012 and 2013, guaranteeing him about $20 million, and avoid having to cut him awkwardly in on Valentine's Day in a few years.

This is an economic matter. Not a football matter. And it is not receiving the same traction in the Houston and Baltimore markets, where their elite tailbacks (Arian Foster and Ray Rice) are currently in the exact same situation as Forte. (One could make a solid argument that were all three to hit the open market together, Forte would be the third most targeted.) The reason those stories are not stories is simple: those backs did not make it a story. If Matt Forte did not open his mouth every chance he got to complain about his deal, fans and media alike would not have made the tale their personal Passion play.

Here's the fact, as I see it. Matt Forte will be the starting tail back for the Chicago Bears in 2012. And most likely he'll be the starting tail back for the 2013 Chicago Bears. Beyond that he'll be a 28 year-old running back on the downside of his career and we may be in an NFL that outlaws rushing plays anyway.

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  • I think we spent more time talking about Ayn Rand this off-season than we have on Forte's franchise tag.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Mwah!

  • If he is signed by another team as a free agent, what is the compensation the Bears would receive?

  • I'm looking at the last 10 Super Bowl teams, and I don't remember them having a really elite running back. Seattle did for that year, but out of 9 seasons, Alexander was "elite" for 3 or 4. Good for a couple more. Forte is a really good back, but I don't put him in the elite bunch. I'm not sure how much the Bears should throw his way to keep him. How much are the other teams willing to spend on him?

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    If you consider Forte as good as Marshall Faulk was in his prime as the tail for the Martzy Rams, even THEN the playoff run and Super Bowl wasn't defined by Faulk's play.

    You are correct in that the great teams that have an elite back aren't necessarily going anywhere in the playoffs, ala the Falcons.

    When is the last time you can say a great back carried a team to the Super Bowl? Davis and the Broncos?

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Maybe Jamal Lewis in 2001.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Sorry, but that Ravens team was "carried" by it's defense. Didn't they go 4 or 5 games without an offensive TD?

  • In reply to gpldan:

    GP, Forte is no Marshall Faulk that's for sure. In his prime he was the lynchpin for the whole offense. His specialty was the dumpoff pass where he would run for 25 yards before coming into contact with a defender.

    "In the superbowl game, Faulk was contained on the ground by Tennessee Titans head coach Jeff Fisher's defensive scheme, limiting him to just 17 rushing yards. This was perhaps due to the Titans' inability to stop the Rams' passing game, of which Faulk was a major part, recording 5 receptions for 90 yards. His 90 receiving yards were the second highest total by a running back in Super Bowl history" - from some idiot on wikipedia

  • Really Jeff? Nobody is talking about Foster or Rice in their respective cities? Kinda doubt that.

    We've all discussed to sign or franchise Forte but I would be willing to bet there have been more posts about video games on this blog. Especially in the last month.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    If we could only just get Ayn Rand into MW3, we'd be all set.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    We could talk about Ayn Rand's hooters.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Her primary weapon would be a severe haircut.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    ...that turns men to stone.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:
  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Baltimore is a barely one paper town and Rice has never mentioned his contract situation publicly. Arian Foster is getting no attention in Houston while they figure out if they can sign their elite guard and Mario Williams.

  • In reply to Jeff Hughes:

    Are either of those guys making more money or have than Forte?

    I haven't heard Foster or Rice complain about money but how much did they contribute to their offense?

    Forte has made this public and the situation reminds me of Chris Johnson

  • In reply to Jeff Hughes:

    I agree with Jeff is that Forte (and his agent) have been whiny bitches.

  • In reply to Jeff Hughes:

    You made it sound like the only reason Forte was at the forefront of all the football talk in Chicago, was due to his bitching about his contract. The Bears are the #1 topic of sports talk in the Windy City. The SB winners are still made out to be gods. Most people can barely remember the Sox team from '05 and Lord Stanley is rarely a topic of conversation. It's the nature of the beast. Hell, Cutler's body language was a huge deal (some would say it still is). I agree Forte and his agent have made it more of an issue than it needs to be but it would have been big either way.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Why would it have been big? Most Bears fans would not even had known Forte was in the final year of his rookie deal in 2011 if Forte didn't make a point to bring it up publicly. And since the Bears can't lose Forte thanks to the franchise it really is not an organizational issue.

    Forte wants a new deal because he saw the contract DeAngelo got and he's probably a better player than Deangelo. But DeAngelo's contract was stupid and the Bears should not and I believe will not allow the market to be set by poor decisions from other franchises.

  • In reply to Jeff Hughes:

    I agree.

    I think the Bears are waiting for the Ravens and Texans to make a deal with their HBs, then offer Forte something similar. If Forte still thinks he's worth as much as them (or more), then franchise his ass.

    End of debate.

  • In reply to Jeff Hughes:

    Franchise Forte and forget about it.

  • In reply to Jeff Hughes:

    "Most Bears fans would not even had known Forte was in the final year of his rookie deal in 2011 if Forte didn't make a point to bring it up publicly."

    Jeff, that's a load of hooey. Chicago sportswriters, columnists, bloggers and talk show hosts have been beating it to death for the last year (not to mention ESPN, NFLN). Forte and his agent have added fuel to the fire but the fire was burning either way.

  • http://www.windycitygridiron.com/2012/2/18/2807432/video-of-the-day-wr-prospect-mohamed-sanu?ref=yahoo

    http://espn.go.com/college-football/player/_/id/483132/mohamed-sanu

    I am very intrigued. 6'2 but damn. Watch that video.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=WE2bWR0uRxg

  • Everyone watch this guy.. Damn. lol

  • damn!

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    I know Lobo. This guy looks good and can block.

  • I didn't recognize one of the teams they were playing. How's he look against LSU or Bama?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    That's what the espn website was for.

  • I like his attitude to blocking, but do you draft him high?

  • If we make a play in the first two rounds for a WR he'd better be bigger than 6'2, ditto free agency - there's only V-Jax, Burress and Colston who have any size.

    Forte's not going anywhere, and if he is, it'll be after his ass is franchised and we get picks back for him. It's all good.

    Anybody other than Angelo would have drafted Leshoure last season, his stench will linger for a long time to come.

  • Artoo, there's a few 2nd round WRs who are a bit rough around the edges but look good in highlights.

    Stephen Hill, 6'5 205
    Nick Toon, 6'3 220
    Marvin McNutt, 6'4 215
    Marvin Jones, 6'3 202
    Reuben Randle, 6'4 208

    Feel free to google their highlights.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhoFiTm9pUM

    1. Justin Blackmon Oklahoma state 6'1 217 Projected 40 time: 4.49 Grade:168/200
    2. Michael Floyd Notre Dame 6'3 224 Projected 40 time:4.61 Grade:159/200
    3. Alshon Jeffery South Carolina 6'4 228 Projected 40 Time:4.55 Grade:158/200
    4. Rueben Randle Louisiana state 6'4 205 Projected 40 Time:4.48 Grade:145/200
    5. Kendall Wright Baylor 5'10 190 Projected 40 Time:4.45 Grade:145/200
    6. Mohammed Sanu Rutgers 6'2 215 Projected 40 time:4.56 Grade:142/200
    7. Stephen Hill Georgia Tech 6'5 206 Projected 40 Time:4.49 Grade:133/200
    8. Ryan Broyles Oklahoma 5'10 188 Projected 40 Time :( won't run injured.) Grade:116/200
    9. Jarius Wright Arkansas 5'10 178 Projected 40 Time:4.33 Grade:102/200
    10. Tommy Streeter Miami(FL) 6'5 215 Projected 40 Time:4.49 Grade:89/200
    11. Dwight Jones North Carolina 6'4 224 Projected 40 Time: 4.49 Grade:86/200
    12. Nick Toon Wisconsin 6'3 219 Projected 40 Time:4.51 Grade:82/200
    13. Joe Adams Arkansas 5'11 188 Projected 40 Time:4.35 Grade:79/200
    14. Chris Givens Wake Forest 6'0 190 Projected 40 Time:4.48 Grade:74/200
    15. Marvin McNutt Iowa 6'4 214 Projected 40 Time:4.51 Grade:69/200
    16. Brian Quick Appalachian state 6'5 218 Projected 40 Time:4.52 Grade:63/200
    17. T.Y Hilton Florida International 5'9 186 Projected 40 Time:4.46 Grade:59/200
    18. A.J Jenkins Illionis 6'0 188 Projected 40 Time:4.51 Grade:57/200
    19. Jeff Fuller Texas A&M 6'4 220 Projected 40 Time:4.57 Grade:52/200
    20. Juron Criner Arizona 6'4 215 Projected 40 Time:4.66 Grade:50/200
    21. Devier Posey Rutgers 6'2 210 Projected 40 Time:4.48 Grade:47/200
    22. Jordan White Western Michigan Projected 40 Time:4.59 Grade:47/200
    23. Patrick Edwards Houston 5'9 172 Projected 40 Time:4.47 Grade:45/200
    24. Devon Wylie Fresno State 5'9 185 Projected 40 Time:4.38 Grade:44/200
    25. Jermaine Kearse Washington 6'2 208 Projected 40 Time:4.49 Grade 43/200
    26. Jarrett Boykins Virginia Tech 6'2 218 Projected 40 Time:4.62 Grade: 39/200
    27. Marquis Maze Alabama 5'10 178 Projected 40 Time:4.44 Grade:38/200
    28. Keshawn Martin Michigan State 5'11 185 Projected 40 Time:4.42 Grade:37/200
    29. Marvin Jones California 6'3 202 Projected 40 Time:4.49 Grade:30/200
    30. Eric Page Toledo 5'10 180 Projected 40 time:4.55 Grade:27/200
    31. James Rodgers Oregon state 5'7 187 Projected 40 time:4.62 Grade:27/20

    200-175=Elite
    174-144=1st round
    143-118=2nd round
    117-92=3rd round
    91-66=4th round
    65-50=5th round
    49-36=6th
    35-25=7th
    24-15=undrafted worth looking at
    14-0=not worth it.

  • Look at this video, these numbers, and pick your WR for this draft. Only thing you can't see are their stats.

  • http://www.sbnation.com/2012-nfl-free-agency/2012/2/17/2804466/arizona-cardinals-free-agency-2012

    For you Irish.

  • So be it. Go get Mario Williams and draft a linebacker. Done.

  • I really am going to be either shocked at Emery this season or extremely happy.

  • Lock Forte up for 4 years with $22 M guaranteed. Front load the deal (at the expense of the cap) to protect the team down the road. He's our guy. We drafted him. He's earned a top contract. I don't have a big problem with that.

    Then sign: (1) WR - Bowe or Vjack... spendy but completely necessary.
    (2) DE - Avril. Hurt the Lions and help our line. 2 for 1.

    Then depth: Bring back Izzy and Graham. Build on that in the draft. The needs are considerable at corner, safety, and (gulp) OL. I'd really like to see them address OL by moving up in the 1st to grab a OT. Fuck Webb, hes a great backup, but not the solution.

    Our biggest needs to compete for a super bowl THIS YEAR are WR and DE. Spend the money there. I think Forte, Bowe, and Avril can fit under the cap and allow room to bring in low level pieces and depth.

    And for those of you screaming for a 1st round WR... at pick 19 there is no way we get a guy who does what we need in 2012. Seldom are WR who are top 10 picks that contribute significantly their first year. The risk of bust is just too high. Much better to get a top corner, or big ugly.

    in 2012 a WR corps of: Bowe (or VJack), Bennett, Hester, Roy Williams, Knox, and Sansenwhateverthefuck will be good enough. Possibly excellent if Bennett turns out to be as good as we paid him to be.

    This draft is historically poor at the DE position... so I'd like to avoid that in the early rounds.

    end random thoughts.

  • In reply to Jimwoww:

    PS. When it comes to WR, if we are actually going back to 'getting off the bus running,' there's only going to be a handful of passes to go around. Probably more the deep ball. This plays to our strength with Hester and Knox (hopefully healthy). One top WR should eat up the other stuff.

    Gonna need Forte, Bell, and probably Barber. Lots of carries, lots of injuries. I'd even spend a 3rd or 4th on a RB for depth.

  • In reply to Jimwoww:

    One question. If we sign Forte to a long term deal and front load it.

    How do we sign anyone good now?

    22 guaranteed and only 30 or 35 mil of cap space? I don't see that happening.

  • Sign him to a 4-year deal with $10 mil as a signing bonus and $4 mil a year guaranteed for the final 3 years.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    So he only makes 22 million total? All of it Guaranteed?

  • You can add what ever numbers you like on top of it. You were talking about guaranteed money.

  • Lets see. The tag brings a cap hit of ~$8 M. So sign him to something like 4 years $28 M guaranteed. That's $7 M under the cap this year (if structured evenly), leaving ~ $13M in cap space. All this assuming we don't cut or restructure anyone.

    With $13 M in 2012 we could, at minimum, sign a top WR and shore up some of our own guys in FA.

  • They divide the guaranteed cash over the length of contract - so if it's four years that's only a hit of 5.5 on the cap space (plus whatever else you're paying him.

    We've got 35M in space all said and done?

    Forte's not getting more than 8M a year anyway, so that still leaves us with about 27 M to play with. Mario Willams would be say, 13M? Leaves us with 14M to sign Briggs and whoever else. We could still end up with the 6M to pay Marshall if we swing that deal - he's 4M cheaper than V-Jax and a better receiver. Cutting bullshit like Omelette from the squad would help.

    Forte could still get dealt. He's going to be expensive and he's bust both knees already as far as I recall. They do not improve with age.

  • $38 million in cap space according to this article.

    http://www.windycitygridiron.com/2012/2/15/2799675/the-real-bears-cap-story-and-what-is-actually-feasible

  • "So, we're sitting at about $50M of Cap space with 39 players under contract today."

  • Keep Bell and cut Barber? This guy is smoking rock!

  • I don't agree with it either Sac but look at it this way.

    Mental problems are harder to fix than physical.

    Physically, Bell needs to learn to run with the ball tucked tight. Mentally, Barber needs to know how to line up, stay in bounds when it matters, and know in overtime not to fumble.

    Sad to say, Bell can fix his problems and is young.

    I do want to keep Barber though

  • When does the new CBA rule that mandates teams spend 90+ % of their cap space kick in?

  • In reply to Jimwoww:

    J-wow, I believe it is 2013 that it kicks in.

    No WR in the draft. FA for a big time receiver. OL and DB's in the draft or a system guy from FA that has played a ton of Tampa 2.

    DE in FA is a must. Forte is not a need that needs to be addressed right now. You put another 2 hogs on that line and you could line up "above average college running back to be named later" and he would be solid. Forte is locked up no matter what so focus the money somewhere else.

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    and don't forget slutty cheerleaders damnit

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    I'm definitely down with that. Unfortunately Virginia is not. DAMN! I remember seeing the Honey Bears live a few times. More often than not, they were the best part of the game.

  • In reply to Jimwoww:

    Forgot how much have to pay Forte. invest in OL, WR and secundary this draft, and pick Mario and a WR un FA. winning erase any concern for being underpay

  • The cap numbers are not out yet because the salary cap for 2012 has not yet been announced. With that said, it looks like we're expected to be around $20 million. We carry about $7.74 million (I think thats right) from last year. So we're in the high 20s.

    I'd like to see the Bears work a deal with Forte along the lines of...

    2012 - $6 million guaranteed
    2013 - $3.5 million guaranteed
    2014 - $3.5 million guaranteed
    2015 - $4.5 million guaranteed
    2016 - $6 million guaranteed

    With about double those numbers in incentives except year 1 which caps out at $7.5 million. So $43 million contract, $23.5 million guaranteed.

    Extend Briggs and Urlacher to 3 year deals. Shave a bit of cash off of Lach's $7.5 this year (maybe drop it to $6 million) in exchange for the extra time. Give some of the extra cash to Briggs (up from $3.5M to $4.5M) and take his last year's $6.5 and change it to two years of $4.5M, maybe even three years of $4.5 (for a four year deal, I'd rather pay less longer than front load). The net to the cap would be almost zero.

    Sign Izzy for a 2 year deal worth about $1.5-2 million to the cap.

    Sign Amobi Okoye for a 2 year deal worth about $1-1.5 million to the cap.

    Sign Kellen Davis for a 2 year deal worth about $1-1.5 million to the cap.

    Sign Tim Jennings for a 2 year deal worth about $1-1.5 million to the cap.

    Sign Craig Steltz for a 2 year deal worth about $1-1.5 million to the cap.

    Sign Corey Graham for a 2 year deal worth about $1 million to the cap.

    Sign Massey for a 1 year deal worth less than $1 million to the cap.

    Sign Khalil Bell for a 2 year deal worth about $1 million to the cap.

    Keep Marion Barber.

    All of those moves cost about $15-18 million in cap space. That leaves probably in the range of $10-15 million for this year. Figure we bring in a stud WR at about the $8 million mark, and a couple of vets (maybe a CB, maybe an LB, maybe OL) for $2 million a piece and we're capped out.

    Even if you disagree with my summary above, if you cut these players, you have to replace them with other vets that cost money. Maybe we free up another $2-3 million by being stingy but not a whole lot.

    Plus, we need to think about Cutler's contract next year, if not this year... he's at around $7.75 this year and $8.75 next year. I'd extend him another 2 years and try to flatline around $8 until the last year.

  • The Matt Forte issue. Just a suggestion .... play with this if you will.

    Let's make moves like the Pats. It's not rocket science, just maximizing the value of depreciating assets.

    Scenario : Trent Richardson is there at 19. Draft him. Franchise Forte. Trade Forte for a first and a second (we'd get that, right?)

    Look at this dude : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abk3HgvwEeI

    Compact and powerful (benches 475). Has moves. Great hands. Great pass blocker (2:35). More acceleration through the hole than Forte and he hasn't had two MCLs already. Animal effort, he's a baller.

    1) Bottom line, our new RB doesn't cost 8M a year and we lock up other positions with the cash.

    2) We have ourselves an extra 1st and a 2nd. We could still get Konz or Burfict and definitely beat anyone out in the Mario Willams derby.

    3) Give up one of our second rd picks and a third, or our two thirds for Brandon Marshall ..... or sign Colston.

    4) Draft Stephen Hill.

    Net net?

    - a new banger of a running back fresh off the line.

    - Mario fucking Williams and Julius Peppers ....be-atches! Steltz and Conte go to the Pro Bowl!

    - a stronger roster with new signings (OL).

    - two 6'4/6'5 premier receivers (re-sign Roy also).

  • and ...

    - a center/MLB for the next ten years.

    - cash to make Briggs happy.

    If we have the balls to deal Forte (and if Richardson is still there of course) .... then our roster can look A1.

    Bye bye Matt .....

  • I'd be down for Trent Richardson. That will send a message too. Want to overprice yourself, there's the door. Maybe Briggs won't be flipping over Lambos after that.

    Richardson's supposed to be the next best prospect since AP, say the experts.

    However, in that situation, I hope our new GM begins shopping Forte around during the draft to perspective teams. I def think someone in the later rounds who need an HB (Pats desperately need one and have two 1st rounders) will give us a 1st.

    In that scenario, we can get Richardson and a late round WR like Sanu (or even Alshon if he falls that far).

    Not to mention the extra cash from the mula Forte would've got to maybe go after M. Williams and McNeil(?) or another LT (that guy from the Bills).

    It would be controversial, but bold.

  • Really guys? I didn't like Forte's tactics last year either but get rid of him? One of Jerry's best draft picks? I don't see the logic here.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    Saving money for other players.

    Increasing our number of high draft picks.

    Getting a top young RB who hasn't had two MCLs.

  • it´s bolt but it makes sense, only if Richardson is aviable. otherwise pipedreams

  • Irish..... on Forte, highly illogical.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6C70QRbawN8

    Without Jerra around to make the silly acquisitions like Manu, Chester, Williams, Hurd and Merriweather, there's no need to find any extra cash by dumping Forte. Again, this is fuzzy math, keep Forte and no more addition by subtraction.please.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    Not illogical Trac. In fact, drafting Richardson then trading Forte for a later 1st rounder (like the Pats) might be TOO logical.

    By most estimates, Forte will get roughly 8 mil per year.

    If we trade him and sign Richardson at 19, that would save us approx 6 mil in cap space (the draft is now tiered, and the #19 pick last year received an 8 mil, 4year deal TOTAL).

    http://espn.go.com/newyork/conversations/_/id/6835177/prince-amukamara-new-york-giants-agree-deal-sources-say

    Now we could use that 6 mil to go after Vjax, M. Williams and maybe a second tier guy like CB Grimes - or just use that 6 mil to resign all our guys, while still drafting a Sanu type WR.

    However, even though it looks good on paper, I don't know how that would play out in the locker room.

    I do know one thing though. Winning smooths over anything.

  • That kind of a move will not happen on Lovies shift and you know it. Maybe next year if there's a new sheriff(HC) in town. That kind of a move would be akin to raising taxes in a recession. Oops, did I say that?

  • Why do these videos always have such atrocious music? Damn good thing there is an easy way to mute my computer.

  • I love the idea but Mr.Richardson will not be availbe by the time we draft.

    If that happens. I am all for trading him. Funny story about his bench and squat max.

    It's not his max. The dude can bench and squat more than that. There are some rules that prohibit college players to max out at a certain weight. Thus, the guy is a effing beast and his max is probably Hercules like.

  • Don't know Artoo.

    Ingram fell to 28 last year, and he started over Richardson.

    While he's graded as a better back, is it ten spots better?

    Teams simply don't target HBs as much anymore. He could conceivably fall to us at 19.

  • And Leshoure was rated just as highly and was still there at 53, so Trent falling to 19 wouldn't be too shocking. Anyway, just a thought if he's there ..... he looks a bit more explosive than Forte and would benefit us in other ways like more cash and picks.

  • I'm hoping the Bears haven't forgotten about Orton.

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/18/orton-campbell-forgotten-men-among-free-agent-quarterbacks/

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    We deal Forte - we have the cash to sign him .... not that he couldn't start on a number of teams.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    Orton is going to the Jets. There he will be able to at least get a shot at starting.

    Ohh, and MN is one he will eye hard.

  • If he did then we could nab Joe Webb ?

  • Mayock breaks down the top receivers. Only the top two get any love. Tory Holt's words don't leave you crying out for a receiver in the first. There are no guarantees about any of these guys making the transition. Colston or Marshall please.

    http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-combine/09000d5d8270714f/Mayock-s-top-receivers-prep-for-NFL-transition?continuous=true

  • Irish, RB's have become devalued across the league. Nobody would give us a 2 let alone a 1 and a 2. He hasn't had surgery on his knees that I know of, just banged up. Sign him or franchise him, those are our options (unless you want to give him away). Same deal, we need more good players not different ones.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Keep chanting that final sentence mantra, Canada.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    I just don't get it. Nobody is going to knock us out with a trade for any of our players (Maybe Pep and Cutler but why would you trade them?). Why trade players that are probably more valuable to us than almost any other team? Let's give Emery a couple of years in the draft before we go trade crazy. Esp since almost no trades happen in the NFL.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Sorry, should have been clearer. I absolutely agree we need MORE good players

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    I knew what you meant Dave. I was just trying to get my point across.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    The Pats DESPERATELY need an HB.

    The Pats have TWO 1st rounders (what's new?).

    How often is it that a team gets a ProBowler at #31?

    The Pats have the cap space, and Forte would be perfect in the Pat's scheme, where he can continue to excel in pass blocking, dump offs, screens, lineing up in the slot, and the occasional perimeter run.

    I would seriously be exploring this scenario if I were Emery.

  • I just don't see it. Bellicheat doesn't get the wrong end of deal very often. Not to mention RB seems to be a pretty low priority to him.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    If we stuck Forte under his nose he'd have a good sniff - and he's got the picks to give us. Forte leaves our conference too.

  • Are we entering the silly season? I think trading Forte creates more problems than it fixes. He's one of our few birds in the hand. The running game is the most solid part of the Bears offense. After experiencing the Thomas Jones/Ced Benson fiasco, I never want to see the Bears screw up like that again.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    I agree - this whole idea is retarded. Profoundly retarded.
    It is silly season.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I assure you, drafting Trent Richardson while trading Forte for the Pat's #31 and drafting Sanu while saving 6 mil/season for the next 4 years is NOT 'tarded.

    It's most likely moot because Richardson may not be available at #19, and then the Pats may not want to give up their #31, (practically the only valid option here) but it would be a very tempting scenario.

    Two words. DUE DILIGENCE.

  • You have to have a franchise back available that can replace Forte.
    And the Pats MO is not to overpay for anybody, so why would they take on a large salary at RB when they have no history of doing so? I don't see the rationale for them to make the move; why not just package their firsts to move up and take Richardson themselves.
    I'm not saying Emery shouldn't be looking at moves, but Forte is a special, special talent at RB and I don't like the idea of tagging and dumping him with no real bird in hand to replace him.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Surely we'd get at least a first for Forte ?

  • How much cash would Michael Bush be looking for ? He'd be scary in Cutler's backfield.

  • I highly doubt it - I want you to recount every time you've stated it's easy to replace a RB via the draft. Then when you're done, divide that by the number of teams that are going to sacrifice a first round pick for a guy that you think has bum wheels and is just entering free agency. There is no internal consistency there - if it's so easy to get a franchise RB, why wouldn't I just pick one myself in the first (or second round)? Why trade it to the Bears?
    It's not going to happen.
    Ever.
    Trading Forte for a second rounder (at best) makes no sense unless you think he's peaked and headed back downhill...and I don't think he's peaked.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhoFiTm9pUM

    1. Justin Blackmon Oklahoma state 6'1 217 Projected 40 time: 4.49 Grade:168/200
    2. Michael Floyd Notre Dame 6'3 224 Projected 40 time:4.61 Grade:159/200
    3. Alshon Jeffery South Carolina 6'4 228 Projected 40 Time:4.55 Grade:158/200
    4. Rueben Randle Louisiana state 6'4 205 Projected 40 Time:4.48 Grade:145/200
    5. Kendall Wright Baylor 5'10 190 Projected 40 Time:4.45 Grade:145/200
    6. Mohammed Sanu Rutgers 6'2 215 Projected 40 time:4.56 Grade:142/200
    7. Stephen Hill Georgia Tech 6'5 206 Projected 40 Time:4.49 Grade:133/200
    8. Ryan Broyles Oklahoma 5'10 188 Projected 40 Time :( won't run injured.) Grade:116/200
    9. Jarius Wright Arkansas 5'10 178 Projected 40 Time:4.33 Grade:102/200
    10. Tommy Streeter Miami(FL) 6'5 215 Projected 40 Time:4.49 Grade:89/200
    11. Dwight Jones North Carolina 6'4 224 Projected 40 Time: 4.49 Grade:86/200
    12. Nick Toon Wisconsin 6'3 219 Projected 40 Time:4.51 Grade:82/200
    13. Joe Adams Arkansas 5'11 188 Projected 40 Time:4.35 Grade:79/200
    14. Chris Givens Wake Forest 6'0 190 Projected 40 Time:4.48 Grade:74/200
    15. Marvin McNutt Iowa 6'4 214 Projected 40 Time:4.51 Grade:69/200
    16. Brian Quick Appalachian state 6'5 218 Projected 40 Time:4.52 Grade:63/200
    17. T.Y Hilton Florida International 5'9 186 Projected 40 Time:4.46 Grade:59/200
    18. A.J Jenkins Illionis 6'0 188 Projected 40 Time:4.51 Grade:57/200
    19. Jeff Fuller Texas A&M 6'4 220 Projected 40 Time:4.57 Grade:52/200
    20. Juron Criner Arizona 6'4 215 Projected 40 Time:4.66 Grade:50/200
    21. Devier Posey Rutgers 6'2 210 Projected 40 Time:4.48 Grade:47/200
    22. Jordan White Western Michigan Projected 40 Time:4.59 Grade:47/200
    23. Patrick Edwards Houston 5'9 172 Projected 40 Time:4.47 Grade:45/200
    24. Devon Wylie Fresno State 5'9 185 Projected 40 Time:4.38 Grade:44/200
    25. Jermaine Kearse Washington 6'2 208 Projected 40 Time:4.49 Grade 43/200
    26. Jarrett Boykins Virginia Tech 6'2 218 Projected 40 Time:4.62 Grade: 39/200
    27. Marquis Maze Alabama 5'10 178 Projected 40 Time:4.44 Grade:38/200
    28. Keshawn Martin Michigan State 5'11 185 Projected 40 Time:4.42 Grade:37/200
    29. Marvin Jones California 6'3 202 Projected 40 Time:4.49 Grade:30/200
    30. Eric Page Toledo 5'10 180 Projected 40 time:4.55 Grade:27/200
    31. James Rodgers Oregon state 5'7 187 Projected 40 time:4.62 Grade:27/20

    200-175=Elite
    174-144=1st round
    143-118=2nd round
    117-92=3rd round
    91-66=4th round
    65-50=5th round
    49-36=6th
    35-25=7th
    24-15=undrafted worth looking at
    14-0=not worth it.

  • I can't believe how slow Floyd is. I mean, I haven't been running in a long time and have lost my speed.

    But I am still running a 4.65 or 4.67.

    I guess I have to count in the fact I'm 6'1 but still.

  • Yeah, the more I keep mulling it over, the less enamored I am with selecting a WR in the 1st.

    But the combine might change a lot of things.

    If Alshon runs in the 4'4s, then suddenly he becomes the next Megatron and will be a top 10 guy.

    If he weighs in at 250 and runs like it, Alshon may fall to the second.

    40 times for WRs, CBs and HBs really move them on the grading scale.

    Howevery, Emery has already claimed he doesn't look at clocks as much as tape, so we'll see.

  • Happy to have Stephen Hill in the second- could he slip to us at pick 10 in the 3rd?

    Jeffrey got slammed by Mayock, ditto Sanu.

  • The first I have heard from these two.

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82706092/article/foster-rice-in-different-places-as-franchise-tag-looms?module=HP11_hot_topics

  • Online highlight reels and scouting reports are like movie trailers and critical reviews. I don't trust them.

    What I'd like to see is an alternative to the Pro Bowl and/or Senior Bowl pitting the best draft-ready prospects in college football against the best non-starters in the NFL. I realise that such a game will never take place and that it wouldn't be a very good way to judge players on either side, but it would beat the hell out of the Pro-Bowl and deceptively edited, context-free highlight reels.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    That would be awesome. The best of the best in the draft and hopefully none of the future guys get hurt.

    Sucked if you were number one overall and destroyed your shoulder.

  • There would have to be a "You break it, you bought it" rule for the NFL : )

  • I'm in training because I'm tired of having MB & Shady hand me my ass. We'll rendezvous later after I earn a few stripes. Posse? You up for it tonight?

  • understood doc

  • Absolutely. I just prestiged though, so all my good shit just went in the garbage, as Shady can attest.

  • I usually don't get too excited over players/agents popping off to the media. It's just not a big deal to me. At least Forte has a reason to bitch. He's been a workhorse for the Bears and the worst paid RB the entire time. Cedrunk was making way more and providing way less. Then there was the ultimate indignity of Chester the Molester getting $7 mil to suck beyond belief. Last year The Barbarian made about 5 times what Forte made for way less production. I get the way the NFL works and it was his bad luck to not get drafted until the 2nd round. I'm pretty sure most of us would be just as pissed if we were in his shoes. Oh well, sign him or franchise him. Either way he's getting a monster payday (well deserved as far as I'm concerned).

  • Repost, but worth keeping in mind during the off season.

    Now….here’s a look at the numbers, and the teams are broken up in three categories, which are explained.

    POSSIBLE BIG SPENDERS

    Teams that have the cap space to make big moves in free agency.

    Cincinnati Bengals $80,641,237

    Tennessee Titans $92,739,765

    Washington Redskins $94,351,284

    Kansas City Chiefs $95,844,195

    Tampa Bay Buccaneers $98,899,458

    Atlanta Falcons $100,227,174

    Denver Broncos $101,389,121

    New England Patriots $101,827,381

    Chicago Bears $101,887,741

    San Francisco 49ers $102,938,980

    Cleveland Browns $103,789,162

    WORKING ON A BUDGET

    Teams that aren’t up against the cap, but need to make smart moves to avoid trimming a ton of players and salaries.

    Jacksonville Jaguars $107,270,274

    Buffalo Bills $108,426,522

    Seattle Seahawks $111,742,430

    San Diego Chargers $111,960,165

    New Orleans Saints $113,358,069

    Philadelphia Eagles $113,964,694

    Baltimore Ravens $115,670,281

    Minnesota Vikings $116,078,422

    Houston Texans $116,306,676

    Miami Dolphins $116,636,173

    Indianapolis Colts $116,773,288

    Green Bay Packers $118,001,169

    Arizona Cardinals $118,787,639

    TIGHTENING THE BELT

    Teams that will be at, or over the projected salary cap once they’ve signed the rookie class. These teams must purge their roster moving forward. The higher the cap number, the more drastic the cut backs need to be.

    St. Louis Rams $120,982,904

    Detroit Lions $122,760,121

    New York Giants $124,735,807

    New York Jets $128,092,733

    Dallas Cowboys $128,910,735

    Carolina Panthers $129,962,768

    Oakland Raiders $140,861,316

    Pittsburgh Steelers $149,885,537

    http://blogs.sun-sentinel.com/sports_football_dolphins/2012/02/nfl-salary-cap-projections-for-2012-season.html

  • You know what's funny?

    The Steelers are putting a 1st round tender on Mike Wallace and it might not matter.

    I think it was Shefter who said that a team like the Bengals, who have two 1st rounders, can make some absurdly front loaded contract to Wallace that the cash strapped Steelers can't match, and all they would have to give up is a later 1st rounder to get a PB WR while damaging a division foe.

    Ouch.

  • I hope they go for it.

  • Kirwan and Ryan on Sirius were the first to float that Pittsburgh was going to get hosed by putting that tender on Wallace.

    I would be perfectly happy if we go after Wallace. The dude is for real.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I think it would make a lot more sense for someone with a low 1st rounder and some cash to do it, like the Bengals or Pats.

    I still hope we can get Marshall for a 2nd and a bag of cheetos; I'll even pitch in the bag, extra spicey.

  • Mmmmmmm... Eeextra spicy!

  • http://www.bearsjerseys.net
    It’s also possible to sure of which Tebow imagined it all you can, a specific thing I will grasped within these seven days at this website aided by the Broncos. Press Authentic Bears Throwback Jerseys to get additional information regarding NFL jerseys.

  • In reply to amoiemarry123:

    Reebok jerseys from China buy there you can, and such as, Tebow.

    There's a bearsjerseys.net blog too. It makes absolutely no sense. Total word salad. The most recent post is Moss has taken a simple epiphany or perhaps the mid life problem directly on Monday.

    The sad thing is, it's a WordPress blog like this one, yet comments are time-stamped and hyperlinked, they can be edited or deleted, and followed via comment feed. Ghostery reports no trackers there, as opposed to the ten it finds here. DBB loads nine external sites, bearsjerseys blog loads none.

  • In reply to amoiemarry123:

    亲爱的中国大师赛,

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  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    Ni how buttsteak... Ni how!

    I loled at your first paragraph.

    (the one not in cantonese)

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    ... Or was that yoda

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    It was part Yoda, part Miss Teen South Carolina, part random Tebow.

    (Everybody knows Miss teen SC, but just in case: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj3iNxZ8Dww )

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5D70hJrb8o

    Listen to all of this Irish. Beast.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCO_IvJmXuw&feature=player_embedded

    Nick Perry

  • I was looking at him yesterday, looks good, but built more like he would be at home beside Urlacher.

  • Tomorrow we will know who will be tagged and who we can go after.

    Btw, anyone golf on here?

    I am starting to get into it and I bought some beginner clubs from walmart to tide me over till I really get the hang of it.

    Any recommendations?

  • Played until I was 18 and found better (?) things to do so memory's a little sketchy. I'd invest in some lessons from a pro if I were you though. My dad was my only teacher and he played off an 18 handicap, so ......

  • Eh, I will just learn on my own with a good friend.

    I am a damn quick learner. Esp, when it comes to muscle memory.

  • http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/02/20/2011-pass-blocking-efficiency-offensive-tackles/

    I love Lance Louis but damn.. He was worse than Webb.

  • http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/02/20/ranking-the-2012-free-agents-offensive-tackles/

    Who we can get.

  • Demetrius Bell is interesting, but that might involve doing something with Forte .... or Peppers.

  • I'll wager most of those were after he got hurt running down that interception - and like most players, he wouldn't admit it to the club. Just an opinion, but you can't play really well and then suddenly start playing really badly ... because you're bad. Transformers - there's more than meets the eye. I'm confident he's one of our best linemen next season. I don't know how long his arms are but I'd love to see him get a shot at LT if we don't bring anyone in - either that or give Webb permanent TE help.

  • I think that last part is exactly what will happen. I hope so Irish...he was looking good for a couple of games there.

  • Nice find!

  • http://www.csnchicago.com/blog/bears-talk/post/2012-NFL-Draft-defensive-notes-?blockID=654384&feedID=10330

  • ock rates the defensive end position as the worst in this draft. There is some value at DE in the middle-rounds, but only two players are worthy of being selected in the first round.

    North Carolina's Quinton Coples is currently rated as the top defensive end in the draft, but Mayock says he would be scared to death of drafting him because he didn't play good or hard during his senior season.

  • Mayock*

  • http://beertag.spreadshirt.com/bears-cutler-fu-martz-6-A8332752/customize/color/4

    For Lobo

  • I want one!

  • from the mama would be so proud a' me on the TV file: http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/.element/img/4.0/global/swapper/201202/120220.03.jpg

    Yikes.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    wow

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Madonna would be proud.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRSP5ZUmxP8

    Not crazy about her music, but she was great in that interview.

  • Every time I come to this thread, for some reason, I hear Rodney King's voice reading the headline to me... Anyone else getting that?
    Can't we all just get along~We all need to stop talking about Forte and the Franchise Tag.

  • In reply to EnderWiggin:

    Mother effing swim pool, just glaring at me reading Hustler...

    You lookin at me, boy? Damn pool, teach you some manners

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBqZ62JpgHo

  • In reply to gpldan:

    crazy. how do you guys find this nonsense?

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Kind of pisses me off, like that jerk who shot his daughter's laptop. Give it away. There are a lot of kids who would love to have it.

  • Artoo, you should be able to get a year out of your wally mart sticks, but don't expect more than that. I would go out and buy a nice used set of oversized callaway Irons. You can probably get them for 2-300 and they'll last you a long time. Just be sure to get them regripped every year. The only way you'll get any better is just from playing and going to the range. I've never taken a lesson, and I shoot high 70's, low 80's. I play once a week when the weather isn't bullshit. Just got back from Cancun yesterday and I played a few rounds out there.

  • Ahhhhhh canned PO on.

    You're about a month and a half too early coach.

    ...I,d like to hear your sordid tales nonetheless.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    'canned poon' damn it.

    Fucking auto correct, never heard of poon for Christ's sake.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Black pumas

  • Thats where I need advice. What clubs do I get and what is a reasonable price? If you can some examples on ebay would be great. Thank you

  • Start cheap and master the basics first - dropping a bunch of money on clubs before you have a feel for the game is dumb.
    Once you know how fast your swing is, what kind of shots you can make with which club...that is when you go and drop a grand or more on a set.
    But low-end clubs, IMHO, the only thing you need to decide is whether you want graphite or steel shafted irons - you're young, so steel is probably a good call.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Coach's advice is good if you have a little more scratch to spend without going into big $ territory.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    That's why I got the Walmart brand kind of clubs. We will see in a year where I am at and go from there.

  • If we ever have a DBB convention, you make sure and bring clubs with.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    When are we going to have one? I'll be honest. It would be a lot nicer to hang out with you guys than go to a game.

    Here is what I got.

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_trksid=p4340.l2557&item=140701803048&nma=true&rt=nc&si=WW2YIUD6I8qRR%252BEpLTLEK6lJqLs%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc#ht_500wt_1202

    Scroll down

  • The best part of cheap clubs, for me at least, is that if I wrap one around a tree or throw one at someone in my foursome (it's happened, believe it or not), I'm not pissed if it breaks.

    I'm a lot more relaxed now than I used to be.

    In regards to the DBB convention, see my post below.

  • My first set was "PinSeeker" brand. The nice thing about them is a lifetime warranty.

    The sales guy says, "Go out in the street, hit rocks with 'em. Get mad at a shot? Wrap one around a tree. Bring the pieces back and we replace them... No questions asked"

    Also, it's not a stupid idea to start out at a par 3 course. Sometimes they'll let you play 36 for the 18 price. Plus, you work more on your swing and finesse rather than crushing the ball. Once you get a decent short game, you can apply those same things to your longer clubs and be good to go.

    For my first year, I went to a par 3 in Tucson almost everyday. Pack of smokes, 6 pack, and 2 doobs... Worked great.

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    What's your favorite course in Omaha?

  • http://aggbot.com/Chicago-Bears-News/article/16217119

    Cutler wants anyone over 6'2.. lol wow he actually said it

  • Ask anything in the will of the Father and it shall be given to you.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    Lord... I would ask thee to deposit into mine bank account, one million and one farthings oh lord... In the will of thyn eyes. Thank you lord.

    Trac, he does eft right? I assume he just knows my account # by heart, right?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I think he has a pretty good idea of who you bank with MB. He he.

    Sorry, couldn't help it man, even us Christians have a sense of humor. "Believe" it, or not.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    very nice.

    Not sure what I was going to get back on that one my man.

    btw, going back to the motherland next week, I'll be sure and eat a sheiteload of biltong and boerwors for you my man.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Biltong looks good - what the hell is in boerwors?

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Now I'm going to have to drop $20 and order some of that stuff - it looks like the best jerky ever created.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Speaking of goodies, did I miss the anouncement? Who won the Pizza?

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    If you live in a dry climate, you can make your own, all you need is a good recipe. We used to hang our Jerky on the back porch to cure. Buy a couple of NY Strip steaks, rub the spices on it, dip them in vinegar, hang them in a dry sunny spot and you're done. Very simple to do.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I'd like to try the real thing before giving myself a serious case of food poisoning...I mean, before making it myself.
    Actually, I'm pretty sure the humidity here would prevent me from air-drying it. We're right on the water.

    Do you think a regular dehydrator would work? Or would that screw it up somehow?

  • I started thinking about a cool road trip for my brothers and I this week, and then started thinking it may be a cool opportunity for DBB folks to get together as well.

    The 2013 Senior Bowl - it's in Mobile AL, it's really, really inexpensive other than airfare if you need it, and it's in a nice warm climate on the last weekend in January, which for the folks in northern climes should be an appealing prospect.

    Thoughts?

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Sweet. I think I can talk my roommate to going since he is a Bama fan. What's the plan?

  • Your Mom follows Alabama, Artoo?
    'He' indeed ....

  • Hee hee

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Packer game, at soldier, in december, in the driving snow, for the nfcn and the last ticket to move into the playoffs... That is the shit I want. I'll 100% meet you guys there.

    Alamaba... I'm escared.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    That's amazing, you would rather go where you will actually get hurt than go to a nice place.

    The South is nothing like the media portrays it to be.

    I didn't have a sister and if I did I would not have raped her. My family never molested me and we never wore bed sheets. I was born in GA and raised in TN. I still don't own anything camouflage and I'm not going to breath brimstone and fire down your throat.

    Granted in some places it is like that but can you not say the same thing for the world?

  • I was just kidding erik.

    I have zero connection to the senior bowl or alabama. I've never been to soldier field, and it just seems right that my first time be in the snow against the filthy hoard in december with the NFCN and the playoffs on the line.

    Is that a reality? Maybe not, but if it happens (or even just some of it) next year, that is the trip I'm going to be making. I don't get much vacation time, so I have to spend it very wisely.

    Besides: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tqxzWdKKu8

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    You have to go to a Bears game in shitty weather at least once; I don't disagree with that. Mine was the TCF game last year. But imagine you'd bought the tickets for this year's finale. Talk about a shit in your stocking.
    The road schedule this year sucks for me, as I think the closest road game will be TN and more than likely it'll happen during my busy season.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Here's my thought process -
    1) I would love to get the tickets you're talking about but do you know what that would cost? When I could spend that money on booze, video games, charter fishing trips, and a full week trip to the Senior Bowl all at the same time?
    2) Senior Bowl would be a week of evaluating and -meeting- the players, coaches, and scouts that we talk about nonstop from post-Super Bowl to week 1 of the regular season.

    I am pretty sure I could buy a popup camper for what my one ticket to a Packers-Bears week 17 matchup would cost.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    once in a lifetime experience Rabbit. I get why you wouldn't, but that's why I would.

    I'd remember that game till the day I died. Oh and meeting all you clowns would be fun too.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I'm not saying I wouldn't do it per se. However, I know the Senior Bowl is going to take place. I have no earthly idea what's happening at the end of next season; ffs, I thought we were IN until Cutty broke his thumb and killed all of our dreams.

  • Wow.. it is very quiet on the blog.. I guess you guys have to work hard during the spring because you put a lot of time into the fall for the bears.

  • Hard for me to work up any enthusiasm for "Free Agent Projections" & "Mock Drafts". Just too many unknown variables.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    You got that right Al. I just hope we get 3 solid starters. That will make me very happy. I was reading somewhere that a team had 4 or 5 starters from years draft. Can't remember who though.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    last years draft.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    +1

  • Trac I have been wondering the same thing. Who ever won the pizzas?

  • Erik (Tn)

    Does Chicago go after Mario Williams or is that also fantasy land?
    Kevin Seifert (2:41 PM)

    It would be a lot of cap space devoted to defensive ends, when you consider Peppers as well. But man, that would be fun, wouldn't it?

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