Super Bowl Sunday Open Thread

Super Bowl Sunday Open Thread

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  • First say..this is what all are say is the best way...."The Pats way"..ouch:

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    Second to say "FUCK THE PATS" right in the face!!!!

    ...that's for you MB.....hahahahahahahahahahaha!!!

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    Yeah, that was cold blooded.
    Here's a pic of his 'do.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Maybe cheatachek didn't like that Underwood had better hair than him.....

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    maybe he should of worn it like this:

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    now I found it..cheatachek was going to wear his hair like this:

    and was pissed at Underwood for out doing his doo....

  • CBA says any player active for 8 games still entitled to full SB share. So Tiquan Underwood will receive his SB money and ring, if Pats win.

  • He just barely squeaked in then, because I only see him as being active for 6 regular season games and the 2 playoff games...

  • Matt Forte @MattForte22 Reply Retweeted Favorite · Open
    "Me and Randy are good friends im trying to get him too" RT @Macksumus: @bmarshall19 not fair to tease can you get R.Moss out retirement tho

  • Let's start with B-Marsh and worry about "Straight Cash Homey" later.

  • Peyton Manning is willing to create a contract that would contain no guaranteed money up front and would be incentive laden with bonuses.

  • That takes some major stones. Stones nearly as gigantic as his head.

    First, neck injuries are nothing trivial.

    Secondly, because he's betting on himself and taking all the financial risk.

    This is something I never got in the NFL.

    why aren't ALL contracts SOLEY incentive based (on certain agreed upon benchmarks)?

    Seems like it would be more just.

    So when an undrafted guy like Arian Foster rushes for 1,500 , he gets paid like a Pbowler.

    Would work the other way too. If a player underperforms, then he gets paid less based on some tier system.

    Maybe this is too complicated though, with injuries and all.

  • Makes it kind of hard to budget - and I think parity would be out the window.

  • Teams have too much power in that situation. If there is no guaranteed money, they can cut a player just before they reach an incentive if they happen to fall short.

  • Commissioner Roger Goodell told ESPN's Mike and Mike that, after what he saw last Sunday, the NFL will consider eliminating the Pro Bowl.

  • That was embarassing, esp that little stunt Lynch performed.

    Bert, I mean, Rodgers, at least called that shit right.

    I still like my idea of a Free Agent Bowl. All players that are gonna hit FA can duke it out.

    You won't be seeing anyone fucking around.

  • I'll even market it for them.

    The FAB BOWL!

  • Great Idea but no one will do that.

    Why hurt your stock by looking bad or getting hurt?

  • But, the ones with nothing to lose or diamonds in the rough would enjoy it.

  • That's what I'm saying Artoo. Totally optional.

    You know the scrappers are gonna be ready to go.

    Also, every year, there's an FA or 3 that have something to prove.

    For instance, this year, players like DeSean Jackson or Hillis (or anyone else who had a bad year) might want to play and improve their stock.

    Or maybe guys who want to show they can play another position. Maybe a 3-4 outside linebacker will play DE in that game (or vice versa) and show teams what he's got (or old CBs can play FS) stuff like that.

    Anyhow, I'd be a hell of a lot more intrigued watching the FAB Bowl than the joke that is the Pro Bowl now.

  • Also, if for whatever reason the FA class is too thin to fill outfit two team (something highly unlikely), BRING IN THE CANADIENS!

    Yes, bring in some pro-bowlers from the CFL! Bring in the white boys!

    I'd love to see some of those guys play with NFL FAs in the FAB Bowl!

  • I like. I just do not know how many people would want to watch it.

  • I second that emotion.
    What to do with the Pro Bowl
    since the play is so lame?
    Just select the teams...
    and FORGET the game!
    Burma Shave.

  • Who's old enough to remember something the NFL called THE PLAYOFF BOWL ?

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    this makes me giggle:

    Vince Lombardi detested the Playoff Bowl, coaching in the games following the 1963 and 1964 seasons, after winning NFL titles in 1961 and 1962. To his players, he called it "the 'Shit Bowl', ...a losers' bowl for losers." This lack of motivation may explain his Packers' rare postseason defeat in the 1964 game (January 1965) to the St. Louis Cardinals. After that loss, he fumed about "a hinky-dink football game, held in a hinky-dink town, played by hinky-dink players. That's all second place is – hinky dink."[1]

    "THE SHIT BOWL" aka "The Pro Bowl"

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    I vaguely remember AL...... but I think the Honors can replace the Pro Bowl...award all the Players no one get's hurt...unless they pull a hammie on the way up to get their award. lol

  • I think Jeff has been in NY for too long cuz I'm semi-apathetic about this SB too; I don't care how many "side stories" exist. ANY SB match will present lots of side stories wrung out by bloggers, experts, analysts and "journalists".

    It's like watching the Alabama-Louisiana game, again. So if the Pats win this time around, what, they're even?

    It's not just that it's not Chicago in it. I would have been into it more if new teams were in it like SF or Ravens (kinda like the Cards a few years back).

    Oh well. I guess I'll go for the G-men because that's a bit less nauseating than rooting for the Pats. Also, it could be worse - the Fudge could be in it. So beer me while I salsa my way out of the 2011 football season...

    OH, in case you've missed South Parks (and my) take on the Pats, here it is.

  • 4E85.....I wanted the "Brah Bowl" and after the game both coaches get into a cage match and that decides the "coach of the year"!!!

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    see this is what could happen after the cage match with one of the reporters...LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    I'd dry hump her too. That chick is HOT.

  • How did she not sue for millions!!!!?

  • Rodgers was arrested last night.

  • Are you serious?

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Bwahahahahaah - I just saw who that was.
    Thanks for making me google it, Artoo.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    On my smart phone so I can't post the link but glad you goggled it!

  • Googled... pumas.

  • I am going to pick Tom Brady. Why? I can't see Peyton Manning letting his little brother have more rings than him. I also cannot see Brady losing the Superbowl again to another Manning.

  • If anyone has seen that video Jeff posted, list your favorite parts or quotes, I enjoyed it very much.

    You have to love how GB tried to stink up the visitor room with manure and Dikta's comments about that are just "priceless"..

  • I'd be prone to take the Pats and give the points if I was picking up a marker today. But 'm not...

  • Dermontti Dawson was a big reach.

  • Kraft is making it harder for me to root against the Pats.

    Must...resist...will assimilated...

  • All this talk about "New TE"?

    Don't get it. Does anyone believe that more TEs will be taken in the first round than WRs? Will ANY TE be selected in the 1st round? The last TE selected in the first that I remember is Girly Thor, and look how that turned out.

    Scouts are gonna be looking for "basketball power forward types" to groom in the later rounds, ala Antonio Gates/Gonzalez, but that's been the case for like the last 10 years.

    Nothing new to me.

  • Since Olsen you had Dustin Keller, Brandon Pettigrew, and Jermaine Gresham who played in the Pro Bowl this year. Probably none good enough for the first round this year.

  • Only thing I'm loving about this NBC pregame schtick is that Harrison must relive "The Catch" every time they show the clip.

    Must be eating him up inside.

    Love. it.

  • Still Champs!

  • In reply to thebigcheese:

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Still champeons of the NFC North!

    PS: MB, you moreon, you misposted the wrong link. I fixed it for you:

    Your welcome.

    Btw, the boreing SB sucked. Hardly any scoring at all. The best part was halftime. I'm not crazy about Maddonna, but you got to admit, she puts on one helluva show. How cool were those gladiators?

  • In reply to Pump CheeseTank:

    (ps. thanks)

  • In reply to thebigcheese:

    Nope, and after the Lions and us sweep you next year because you've got no defense, you won't even make the playoffs.

  • That's an interesting hypothesis, considering the packers swept both those teams last year with "no defense"......

  • In reply to thebigcheese:

    How'd you do against the Giants?

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    uhh good one?

  • In reply to thebigcheese:

    did you say chumps?

  • Brady and Belichick lost. Good.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    ... but Eli Manning wins his second SB and second MVP award. There has never been another QB who has achieved so much and yet been so unimpressive.

  • yep...Irish..............enough unimpressive enough to have two rings and one SB MVP...Basically saying ..FUCK EVERYBODY WHO DOESN'T"T HAVE THAT...YEP...FUCK ALL OF YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • "Unimpressive"?


    Who or what were YOU watching, Irish?

    Were you out dropping a deuce when Manning hit Manningham down the sidline with perfectly thrown ball in the Super Bowl with the game hanging in the balance (Nice catch, too, Mario)?

    We should all live so long to enjoy a Bear QB performing so well at clutch time.


    Don't drink and blog, Irish.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Haven't had a drink in three years, Al.

    Didn't see the big game - 'unimpressive' is just my general impression of Manning, not related to his performance in a single game versus the worst/second worst defense in the NFL. He did seem to have had a good SB based on the stats alone.

    He has been mostly unimpressive as a QB though, last year he was leading contender for worst QB in the league hands down. He's got four very good receivers to play with ... had he been on Cutler's Bears' teams, he may have been traded by now. Elite? Hmmmm ......

  • I didn't miss the game through indifference, I was at work .. .and get this .... at 6 this morning I tried to get an internet stream - and there was none to be had! Can you adam and eve it? Biggest game of the year and it wasn't available through the usual channels!

  • Was listening to the guys on Sirius the other day and they said that, in essence, Manning's attitude (while perplexing to watch) on the sidelines is the perfect fit for New York. That town puts so much pressure on the QB that you almost have to approach the game in a state of catatonia in order to survive.

    I don't like him, but hard to argue with the results. I DO think that his receiving corps should get a tremendous amount of credit for letting him take some of the rather risky shots that he does. It's a two-way street.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Spot on Al, except your last sentence.

  • Here's your story line boys: Tom Coughlin coaches the 9-7 Giants to their 2nd Super Bowl win in 4 years.. Eat your heart out Kiki. Lovie, pay attention, no more excuses.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    trac...he's busy in Tampa looking for his Passing Coach Minion!!!!

  • Super Bowl thoughts:

    1) Roger Goodell should never appear in public.

    2) Eli Manning winning MVP is silly, just like when he was MVP of the 49rs game. He played a fine game and was a great leader for the offense, but the story of the game is the Giants' pass rush. Give it to Justin Tuck (2 sacks, plus causing the penalty/safety on Brady to start the game), give it to Michael Boley (team high 9 tackles), give it to Chase Blackburn (game changing interception beating Gronkowski in the process). My vote is Tuck, but not Eli.

    3) The Patriots are a great team. They have possibly the best O-line in the NFL that gave Brady a ton of time against this aggressive defense. This loss was the recievers' fault and the Pats need to address that this off-season.

    4) These "new TEs" strike me as a lot like power running backs. They're hard to tackle and create great mis-matches in the secondary, but they take a lot of punishment. I think 4 TEs got knocked out of this game; you have to wonder how long their careers are going to be.

    5) This playoffs has been some outstanding football, but I understand why offense sells more tickets. These finesse defenses are a lot harder to get excited about. Watching the game end with 3/4 incompletions doesn't make for big cheers.

    6) So the Giants have 12 guys on the field and draw a 5 yard penalty, but 10 second stays off the clock? The Pats had 19 second before that play and 9 afterwards. Seems to me I'd intentionally put an extra guy on the field if I'm defending in that situation. Take the yards, I'll run the clock every time.

    7) Lost in the glamour was the effectiveness of the Giants' up the gut running game in the 2nd and 3rd quarters. I'd make a note of that if I was playing the Patriots next year.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    2) The Manning love-in. When the Dolts beat us in 06, I'd wager Peyton Manning was one of the worst players in the game that day based on his performance that day. MVP? What a joke.

  • Gotta give Eli props Irish. 2-0 in Super Bowls with 5 or more years to go.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    Props on the SB, yes. But props generally? Nope. They were 9-7 this year and only then because of their defense. If Cutler doesn't go down - or McCown had started perhaps - then the G-men aren't even in the playoffs. He threw the guts of 30 interceptions last year with good receivers around him, a good defense, and two good RBs. If he carrys the Giants next year then maybe I'll entertain the 'elite' tag.

    Yes he had a good game today, against a terrible defense.

    That's why I think we can make a run next year - injuries permitting. We could have a smoking hot offense backed up with a pretty good defense if we get a pass rusher in there. Can't wait.

  • So let's go Eli fans .... would you trade Cutler for Eli straight up? Really?

  • In a heartbeat. So would 98% of football fans outside of Chicago. Cutler=can probably do it. Manning = has done it, twice. Have you watched Eli play at all? Dude is more accurate than Cutty. Makes better decisions than Cutty, and is way more clutch than Cutty. Wish it wasn't so, but it is.

  • I haven't seen as much of Eli as Cutty, clearly. All I know is he threw a shed-load of interceptions last year with receivers that Cutty would have died for when he had his own 'annus horribilis', and even had me wondering what the hell we'd done selling the farm for this guy.

    I don't know if we can say Cutty isn't clutch. Give him Eli's surroundings and I'd say he's twice the man. Manning's stock has gone up because the Patriots couldn't come up with a bouncy ball in the endzone. Welker's drop ... any call, you name it. Eli's not playing the same sport as the likes of a Joe Montana - yes, he's got SBs on his CV, but I wouldn't trade Cutty for him. Stick Eli on the teams Cutty had in Chicago and see how elite he is. He would have disappeared off the face of the earth by now.

    Eli managed the game well yesterday, well done. Would you stick the tape on in years to come and say "C'mere son, watch this guy play ..." Never. Not Eli Manning. Joe Cool ... Joh Elway .... yes.

    How many good decisions did Eli make last year ? In 2007, Tom Brady threw 50 TDs and 8 INTs. In 2010 he threw 36 TDs vs 4 INTs. That's elite. That's good decision-making. Look at Eli's TD v INT career ratio :

    2004 6 TD 9 INT
    2005 24 17
    2006 24 18
    2007 23 20
    2008 21 10
    2009 27 14
    2010 31 25
    2011 29 16

    ... with 67 fumbles. Those figures sway between game-manager and liability. Cutler has a better completion % and average rating, so I don't see how any rational analysis of the two men can end with Manning being clearly a better QB than Cutler. Cutty has all the throws, Manning doesn't. Remember, Cutler has played only on Angelo-rosters. Surround the man with the kind of talent Manning has been blessed with ... sit back and enjoy the show.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    8) And defense still wins championships

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    at least this year :-)

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    Nice post Newby. I pretty much knew the G-men had this game after rolling through the Falcons, Packers and Niners. Pretty impressive end to a season for them, no doubt. I also thought the refs were decent which was a change.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    You read my mind on point #6. I was sitting there going, if I'm in a Prevent scenario, I'm putting 12, 13, 14 guys on the field from one end of the field until the opponent reaches the 50 yd line or time expires, whichever comes first.
    The whole prevent D is predicated on trading time for yardage.
    The rules committee better take a long hard look at how to fix that going forward.

    And absolutely the Giants WRs were the difference makers in this game. They keep surprising me at how effective they are at making the tough catch in traffic, breaking tackles, etc.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    and not one of those guys is over 6'2".

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    That's an excellent point. They don't have the prototype "big" wideout like Andre or Calvin Johnson, Moss...just guys that have great control and run great routes (most of the time). That sounds alot like our own Bennett.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Nicks may be the biggest receiver ever to stand at 6'1". His vertical must be 42 at least.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Eli had outstanidng protection in the 4th quarter.

  • Well, well, well.
    Bill "Belicheat" adds a NEW nickname to his collection. : "BeliCHICKEN".

    He and the rest of the losers hid out in their locker room until the nationwide coverage on NBC wrapped up.

    Class move, Patriots.

    And spare me the excuses.

    Can you say ALL-PRO WEASEL boys and girls?

    Oh, and Al Michaels and Chris Collinsworth, that interception didn't happen because Gronkowski wasn't able to go up and get the ball. It was a total, HORRIBLE, underthrow by your love child, Tom Brady.
    Gronkowski , even on a bad wheel, had 2 steps on the linebacker and had to stop come back for the ball and you both gave Tommy Boy a pass on the play. Lame.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    This game was very emotional for them Al. They had committed the season to winning the Super Bowl for Myra Kraft after she passed away.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    Awwww. Wah, wah, wah.

    Of all the possibleexcuses, Trac, I absolutely hate the "Win one for Myra" the most.

    She was a class lady by all accounts, but, C'MON, she WAS ALIVE to enjoy THREE Super Bowl Championships! We're supposed to get all teary-eyed because the Patsies couldn;'t win her a FOURTH after she passed! Spare me. I HATED that storyline.

    Losing the Super Bowl is emotional for ANY team.

    These was just Bill the Jerk reminding everybody that, yup, he's a Hall-of-Fame Jerk.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Cutting Underwood the night before the SB was more of a weasel move.

  • The big story line to me is that a 9-7 team just won the Super Bowl.

    Proving once and for all, it's doesn't f-ing matter whether you're 15-1 or 9-7, once you get in, anything can happen.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    MBP.......aka The NBA Playoffs? I mean what's the point of having division's let's start with the lighting round after 10 games (pre-season) and have them beat the snot out of each other in NFC & AFC and who ever is standing at the end that's our SB reason to keep stats, W-L, just the "NFL ELIMINATOR"!!!!

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    btw MBP...just being the smart-arse that I am!....I think blogfader posted sometime ago..if you get to the playoff's and you are the hot hand you can go all the way....

    FudgePeckers 2010
    G-Men 2011

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:


    The NFL is becoming NHL-ish in this respect.

  • I thought the Giants victory was redemption of Bears football. Running the ball, playing D, rushing the passer.

    All the lessons of this SB shows that the "new" NFL might be full of shit.

  • Also, during the telecast when they pan over the rings from all years, you see:

    Pittsburg, Dallas, San Fran, New York, Pats, Oakland and a couple Kansas Citys in there.

    Chicago in all that time has one Super Bowl.

    That's pathetic.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Um, KC is 1-1 in Super Bowls. Same as the Bears.

  • I didn't have a big problem with Eli winning the MVP. He had a good game and it's pretty much standard the QB wins it. Unless, of course, the QB is a horse's ass like Jimmy Mac. Oh well.

    Irish you sound silly bitching about Eli this year. He had a great year and won a bunch of games in the 4th quarter. The year before he had a ton of INT's but that might as well be ancient history in the NFL. If Manning could bring the SB wins to the Bears I'd trade Cutler in a heartbeat.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    not an eli fan, but undeniable he's a damn good crunchtime QB.

    Brady just isn't brady anymore. 5-10 years ago he would have lead his team down for the game winning TD in a 57 seconds. Yeah, it helps a little if your wrs actually catch the ball when it hits them right in the hands, but you know... still.

    I am holding true to my prediction that he retires this offseason. I kinda have to go all in now I guess... although a win last night would have made me MUCH more confident in my nostradamus like call.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    If Welker makes that catch, the Pats are within FG range, 1st and 10, and the game outcome is totally different.

    Deion Branch was fucking useless out there. The only other wideout worth a damn is Aaron Hernandez. Gronk's leg made him a non factor, and Edelman didn't show much.

    Nixon made a bad call betting on OchoCinco. The Pats can't compete without a guy that can go over the top, and that guy shouldn't be a TE.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    And remember, Ocho is actually only HALF of a REALLY BAD call. The other half being the totally useless, Albert Haynesworth.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Yes, true enough.

    Nixon II has made some bad calls of late with regards to personnel. Kind of like Nixon I and Charles Colson.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    He's 34. He ain't walking away from that money yet.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    he doesn't need the money any more al.

    He and his wife have so much together (she's a bonified BILLIONaire) that their kids, kids, kids, kids, kids, etc... will never have to worry about a thing.

    that's why I'm making that call. He has all the money, fame, wife, kids, rings, records, he could ever want (kinda on the last two... but when is enough enough).

    I just think he doesn't look like the brady of old, he still has the skills, just not the desire. you can see it in his eyes.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    the old brady would have gotten them that win... drops and all.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Why is last year ancient history? Why doesn't it count? Just because his team won the SB? Fuck that. He doesn't sit at the top table, and anybody that thinks he does can't evaluate QBs.

  • Again, if Johnny Knox doesn't fall over, the Giants are not even in the playoffs and NOBODY is talking about Eli Manning.

  • Well, After watching the whole game last night I was even more convinced that the Bears had a GREAT chance to make it to the big game prior to Cutty and Forte going down to injury.

    I think the Bears could have beat either of those teams if our key guys stayed healthy. It actually gives me hope for next season and I can't wait till August and the Bears are back and healthy. It will be interesting watching the draft this year as well.

  • In reply to Bears-4-Ever:

    Yeah, but it's always a case of STAYING healthy. A player's only a ever a play away from a trip to the I.R.

  • In reply to Bears-4-Ever:

    If the Germans hadn't frozen their best men to death, Stalingrad was totally doable.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    LOL. Well luck for us, Hitler was an idiot and forced Stalingrad to happen. They should have by-passed it and moved into the Caucasus to capture the vital Soviet oil fields there as the original plan was written up.

    The best Allied general we had was Hilter...his decisions at key points in the war helped us win it.

  • In reply to Bears-4-Ever:

    that's what you get with crazy motherfuckers maing.

  • In reply to Bears-4-Ever:

    The entire Caucasus oilfield notion was daft in any event. German logistics was not up to the task of maintaining armored forces across such vast differences, especially given the state of the rail network during the summer of 1942.

    Even had the oilfields been captured and somehow put back into production, sufficient infrastructure (rail and port facilities) to get the product back to the Reich did not exist. Granted, some small percentage of the output could have been used in situ for local armored formations and perhaps a Airflotte or two, but the return on investment would simply be too low.

    The Germans were effective improvisers, but such a task is a bit much. Another consideration would be the HUNDREDS of miles of open northern flank that would have to be protected.

    All in all, a chimerical notion in any circumstance short of the total collapse of the Soviet Union, which clearly would have reduced the stress on Axis petroleum production and supplies.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    I seem to recall there also being massive problems with keeping up the conversion of rail gauge as territory was taken, which greatly exacerbated the supply problems during '41 and '42.

  • In reply to Bears-4-Ever:

    The elephant in the room?

    Having America in the fight when the war started would have saved millions of lives and not provided the Germans with two years of luxury in which to tool up their army.

  • How about that Clint Eastwood ad?

    I thought we just needed Ermey to finish that off:

  • In reply to gpldan:

    My initial reeaction was "Meh".

  • In reply to gpldan:

    god damn... bootcamp looks like a blast.

    Love that movie.

  • A friend of mine asked me what the over/under was on Clarkson. I guess he meant messing up the anthem.

    Not knowing what he meant, I said "190 pounds, I guess"

  • In reply to gpldan:

    hee hee.

    I seen her in that car commercial, I seen her and not knowing who she was, I says to my wife... "so, who's the fat chick?"

    (I also quickly clarified that I wasn't taking about boomer)

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Since I knew there was an allegedly fat female singer named Adele, who's evidently very hip, I just assumed that's who it was.

    Lo and behold, it ain't.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    you know what happens when you assume, right Rabbit?

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