Floyd Could Provide Bears With First Electric Receiver Since Willie Gault

Floyd Could Provide Bears With First Electric Receiver Since Willie Gault

I don't spend more than a minute or two reading about the Combine. I don't even spend that long writing about it. I watch three or four college football games every Saturday during the fall and rarely miss the college ball played during the week. Since I went to New York University and our football program consisted three dope dealers and a Nerf ball in Washington Square Park I have no horse in any of the races. I watch college football primarily to scout potential pro talent. (Hence my hatred for the read-option offense and any coaches who use it.) I base my knowledge on football players by watching football games.

Am I wrong? Of course. I thought David Carr would be an elite quarterback in the NFL. I thought Mike Nugent was going to be one of the best kickers the NFL ever saw. But I also knew Matt Leinart wasn't very good and Maurice Jones-Drew was. Drafting is a crap shoot. Talent doesn't always translate. But using 40 times and leaping ability to evaluate a player is no more effective than watching ball games. So I'll stick to the games. I like them more.

And I watch a lot of Notre Dame football. I don't know why. I don't particularly care if they win or lose but I'm a sucker for teams with history. And nobody has more history in the land of college football than Notre Dame. Having watched so much ND over the last few years made one thing very apparent: Michael Floyd has an it factor and the Bears would do wonders to draft him with the 19th pick in the draft.

Why? Because every time he ran a route, he seemed open. And every time the Irish needed a big play, he made it. Without a good quarterback under center at any point in his tenure, Floyd thrived in whatever system was implemented. As a football player, as a wide receiver there is nothing this kid can't do.

But there is something else about Floyd that I think the Bears require. Flash. Pizzazz. Razzle dazzle. Other phrases that mean the same thing. A presence on the outside the Bears have not possessed since Willie Gault left football for a life of securities fraud. Even the productive wide receivers of the last twenty years, Marty Booker and Marcus Robinson being perhaps the finest, were workmanlike talents. They were productive and reliable but they were workmanlike.

Floyd is not workmanlike. He's electric. He's the kind of playmaker Phil Emery seemed obsessed with in his introductory press conference. I just hope he's obsessed with him on a certain Thursday night in April.

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  • First to ask, did you pick a place yet?

    Second to say, I hope we get some studly player.

    Third to hope, that the Brandon Marshall trade can still happen.

    That is all.

  • No to Floyd. He's 6'2. Our opinions don't matter, Cutty's does. Stephen Hill if we're drafting a receiver - bigger and faster than Floyd and appears to have good hands.

  • The hands part...could be wrong. Hill didn't get the ball much and Floyd has more tape of him catching everything in one year than Hill does in whole football career.

    Don't worry though, I still want Hill. There are so many defensive players in this draft that would help me feel good about this future..Alas, there are another 31 teams who see what I see.

  • Irish, Floyd is huge. 6'2 doesn't just mean you are 3 inches taller than a 5'11 guy. It means the frame is much bigger. 6'2 is a big receiver.
    Brandon Marshall is 6'3

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    Well, fuck Brandon Marshall then!

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    I hear that Marshall has had a few brushes with the law, including some alcohol-related ones.
    And he's only 6'3"!
    Ship his ass off to the CFL where they take troublemaking, short receivers.

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  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    Marshall's 6'4 plays bigger, and no one's harder to bring down according to Asomugha. Have to respect his opinion. Cutty wants a big target, let's give it to him. If we get a WR in FA then do we need to waste a first round pick on another receiver? I guess it depends on how things pan out in FA.

  • Hey, I'm not even advocating for the guy - I'd rather have a defensive end like Mercilus or Perry.
    But the idea that a 6'3" guy is too small or a 6'5" guy is going to win every jump ball just because he's tall, I just don't agree with.
    Hill, btw, is about 30 pounds lighter than Marshall and his offense attempted something like 6.5 passes per game this year. I have huge doubts about his ability to fit into an NFL offense for at least the first year or two. How in the world is he going to be ready to be a starter, much less a #1?
    I would guess Hill has the bigger upside long-term but if you are drafting a receiver to make an impact this year, like we would be, then Floyd sounds like the better choice.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Hands wise and learning curve wise, Floyd is who you pick.

    I am sure Emery will pick the guy that will help Cutler the most. He helped Matt Ryan and Matt Cassel.

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    If were all on the same page in assuming Jay Cutler is a good QB, then we shouldn't have to field a team of 6'4" and above man freaks.We're not drafting a Power Forward. It's not like Jay is incapable of finding Floyd at 6' 2 5/8" receiver, but the extra 3.5 centimeters of Stephen Hills vertical height enable Cutler to find him at will.

    I think we need WR talent period, and that Jay deserves an option who's a big receiver to throw to if that's his preference. But let's not go passing up on a good to great prospect to get the surprise workout freak that happens to be a bit taller, but hasn't shown any ability to consistently catch footballs.

    Cutty won't be any happier if a 6'4" inch super fast Stephen Hill is dropping passes that hit his hands then he was when little Sanzenbacher was doing it.

  • In reply to Jesse Lynn:

    Ding ding ding!

  • In reply to Jesse Lynn:

    Hey Jesse, first time posting? Welcome aboard. Nice job. Nice to read some common sense among all the combine hysteria.

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    In reply to CanadaBear:

    Hey Canada,

    Thanks for the nice welcome. I've been reading since 2006, I used to read every comment, and add my two cents fairly often, but the last few years I haven't been reading the comments much, just Jeff's blog posts, the formatting sucks on the Android and it's hard to find the new comments and keep up on the conversations.

    But I've been so hungry to draft talk that I veered back into the comments, and felt the need to speak up a little.

    Usually I'm listed as KidronMusic, but I couldn't remember my password so I'm shown under my real name because I logged in with Fbook.

  • In reply to Jesse Lynn:

    Great news, it's not your Android. This commenting system sucks on a mainframe too.

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    In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    Yeah, I hate that I can't just highlight new comments, it really makes reading everything arduous. But on the phone, it's even worse.

  • In reply to Jesse Lynn:

    Jesse Lynn, you sound like a hot 80's pornstar...and you make good football points too.

  • In reply to Jesse Lynn:

    Yeah! I bought my Jay Cutler jersey from you!

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    In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Yeah! I remember that! Hope it's still treating you well!

  • In reply to Jesse Lynn:

    Yep, have it hanging up in my office right now actually, awaiting the draft.

  • In reply to Jesse Lynn:

    Where do people get the impression that Hill would drop passes? Everybody drops passes, no one more so than Roddy White. I've only seen his Youtube highlight reel (which apparently has most of his catches on there by the looks of it) - and he made some sick catches. I just think that when our QB is publicly calling for receivers above 6'2 then we should listen to him. Hill has three inches over Floyd's best vertical jump, and that's a world of difference in stretching the field.

    Floyd won't be there at 19 anyway so this is all moot. Konz will be, so I hope they don't plum for Mike "J'Marcus Webb II" Adams. This didn't improve his reputation either :

    Mike Adams OT Ohio State: Big Boy Mike Adams out of Ohio State is the perfect size for an NFL Lineman (6’7", 323 lbs.) Oddly enough, Adams took on the title "Big for Nothing" on his Saturday drills. Adams recorded a miserable 19 reps during the bench press workout. 19 reps! That is definitely not Left Tackle strength. Unlike Reiff, Adams continued along his path of horrific drills. Here are the rest of his numbers: 5.49 forty, 28.5 Vertical Leap, 8’4" Broad Jump, 7.94 3-cone-drill, 4.95 20-yard shuttle. Adams also looked weak on the field exercises, as he dragged his feet and tripped on multiple occasions. Unfortunately, Adams moved down on a lot of mock drafts, and will be lucky if he gets drafted on Day 2.

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    I'm not saying that Hill "will" drop passes. I'm saying he hasn't yet proved that he can catch them reliably. Floyd caught a hundred balls last year and went late into the season before his first drop. He runs polished routes, he adjusts his body to the ball really well, he shows good awareness of his location on the field, and makes smart moves to maximize yardage...

    Hill is crazy tall/fast. It's crazy, but despite a few highlight catches, like the diving grab at the combine, we don't know most of those things about him. Nobody will know until he's drafted.

    Trust me, if we don't get Floyd, I won't be pissed off if we take a few WR's in the draft and Hill is one of them. I'll be excited about his potential. It's just, the draft is always a crapshoot. And Hill is a blind crapshoot. I'd rather take the guy with the obvious skill set and pedigree than the one without.

  • I think you pegged it with the Youtube clip. The guy simply does not have much film on him because their offense passed the ball 3-4 times a fortnight.
    It is really questionable that he will be capable of learning a pro offense in his first year. You can forget about him contributing for the first month or two of the season - mark that down. He may catch a jump ball here or there but our offense needs a number 1 receiver, not a one-catch-a-game guy.

  • Stephen Hill caught like 30 balls in college. Don't let one good work out fool ya Irish. Watch some tape of Floyd. He's the guy we need.

  • I don't want a receiver in the first round anyway, we're just jawing here. Floyd is long gone by 19. I'm feeling Kuechly, Hightower or Konz. Wouldn't mind if we traded down though and picked up that Kendricks guy as OLB.

  • If we fucking waste our first rounder on a center this year, I'm going to put needles in an Irish voodoo doll.
    If we don't have a pass rush, our defense blows goats - and we're drafting backups in the first round? Fuck me running.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    It would send a message that Emery wants to rebuild.

    I don't want a center yet..

  • Zach Brown..not the singer, ran a 4.44. He is a OLB. I would love to see this guy compete with Roach.

  • Keuchly ran a 4.5 to go with his 190 tackles in 2011, and 500 + tackles at BC.

    He's the new 'Lach, mark my word.

    Burfict ran a 4.9

    Good. He can come to us in the 2nd or even 3rd.

    Some 3-4 team will scoop Brown up well before us. On some mocks, he even goes before Keuchly.

  • He's built like a big safety - he's no Urlacher, at least physically. It is indeed good that Burfict ran slow, we might pick him up for value.

  • Lach is the biggest safety of all time.

  • After all Buzz around Floyd, I think it´be a long shoot to pick him at 19. it´s better pick this first with the best OL or DT aviable or even trade for more 2 round picks to grab WR Hill and Burfict and corner.

  • In reply to elcaney:

    Don't be surprised if Emery trades up for him.

    Chiefs traded up last year to get Bladwin.

  • Mmmm R2, would you pick a WR who was arrested three times on alcohol-related charges below 19? once pass, but 3 times? as I said, needed to be present during his interview. otherwise I pass

  • In reply to elcaney:

    He got two MIPs and a DUI. I don't want to diminish the severity of the DUI; that's bad stuff and everyone knows it. But conflating MIPs and DUI is moronic. He was the biggest star on the football team in a small town with a police force that is way less protective of athletes than almost any other major CFB town. I suspect that most people, had they been celebrities in small towns as undergrads, would be lucky to make it through with just 2. He made a seriuos commitment to changing his life after the DUI; I'm not sure what more can be asked of him.

  • In reply to protocoach:

    Mmmmm..... suppose he commits to play.....unless Emery trades up, forget to pick that guy. if lands at 19 grab him. otherwise I´m keep with the best DE or OT aviable or trade for 2 round picks.

  • In reply to elcaney:

    Like my friend Timon always says.. you have to put your past in your behind.

  • If we trade up to get a 6'2 receiver E-train is in my shithouse.

  • Lmao..damn.

    I bet the same goes for Cutty right?

  • Cutty is gold at his stage, if we can just get him the weapons and three seconds to throw then it's our year.

  • Don't forget to shithouse the Love-Train. He BLEW the 13 spot just to keep a losing season off his record. Way to take one for the team, coach.

  • In reply to elcaney:

    I agree El.

    I'm normally not for trading down, but this year we should collect as many 2nd rounders as possible.

    Hill and Alshon might fall to the 2nd.
    Burfict will fall.
    Some stud center or guard will fall, like always.
    And there's a ton of DTs too.

  • Philly has 2 second round picks.

    The only scenario there where we can trade our #19 for their two 2nds would be if they target a qb like Weeden for Reid to develop behind the oft injured Vick.

    If we have THREE 2nd rounders to go with our two 3rds, we could fill a lot of holes.

    Hypothetically, we can get WR Hill, LB Burfict, CB Alfonzo Dennard (or OT Zebrie Sanders) who are all projected as 2nd rounders.

    Then in the 3rd, pick up the two best players available, maybe even a TE.

  • Agree, from 3 round and below pick up the best player aviable.

  • We can start by shopping Forte after he gets tagged.

  • Dude. People think we are crazy. I love the guy and performs day and day out but his value would never be higher than it is right now.

    If we can't get a high pick or two, keep him, but how nice would another 1st and 2nd be in our pockets..

  • We won't so I don't see the point of continuing to say, "if we'd only tag and trade Forte, we'd be able to draft the entire starting lineup of the Crimson Tide".

    It's not going to happen and it shouldn't. It makes zero sense for him, for us, and no other team is going to give up 1st and 2nd rounders for him. Not to mention, hello, Richardson will NOT BE THERE at 19, so I wish we'd quit discussing it like drafting him is remotely possible without putting dynamite to our draft board.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I know we've had our disagreements:-), but I am sooo with you on all of that!

    Matt Forte is a proven pro star.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    It would make plenty of sense if we got at least two seconds for him. Save cash, get more (hopefully) decent players. It's just an if-then scenario re Richardson and Forte - I wouldn't get rid of Forte without having a number one guy to start at RB.

  • You need more than a starter - you need a Pro Bowler that's going to put up 1000 rushing and 500 receiving...and you need someone who's going to sacrifice their own multiple high draft picks in the process.
    Which, I will again ask, makes sense how? If I have a guy on the board that I think is going to put up those kinds of numbers, why in the world would I trade away my picks to get Forte? Why not just draft that guy myself?

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I'm not saying the guy is not gifted. I just know the wheels have to fall off eventually and I rather that happen to another team than us.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Artoo - he's only 26.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Sigh.. Your choice.

    I rather pay a lot of money to a position that will last longer than 4 years.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Here we go again - Pro Bowl running backs don't go in the tank when they hit 26.

    30 is a different story.

    And one more time, you have no earthly idea whether Richardson, or any other running back prospect this year or next, will display Pro-Bowl caliber running or receiving skills in the NFL AND will be available to us. And why are you concerned about our salary cap situation when we have plenty of room to tag Forte and make two big FA splashes?

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    We really have enough room for one guy and a bunch of second tier guys.

    I have proof he is going to be good and that he has everything you need in a prospect. You do realize Tice is going to run a lot and that Forte has already ran A LOT.

    The average life of a running back is 4 years. His production has to start going down soon. Is that a risk you want to take?

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    According to the NFLPA - "Running backs have the shortest average careers of just 2.57 years. Wide receivers have average careers of 2.81 years. The average career for cornerbacks is 2.94 years."

    So, we should be cutting ties with Hester, Bennett, etc?

    Why sign V-Jackson, Mike Wallace, or anybody else at the receiver position entering free agency - obviously they are just living on stolen time?

    That's a pointless stat, Erik, as it includes every guy that's had an NFL contract, including the 7th round scrub that got cut in week 2 of his rookie year, or the guy who gets banned for too many drug violations.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    All this BS about trading Forte for 1st and 2nd round picks. Who's offering these picks? Nobody. The argument is he's going to fade eventually let's get rid of him now. That's the same logic Ron Turner used when he went away from successful plays. Didn't we all make fun of RT for that one? If Forte was showing signs of slowing down or losing the heart of a lion, I'd be with ya in a heartbeat. If anything, he's gotten better every year. Irish and Super, you both are dealing with a fantasy scenario that will never happen.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I am just saying if it does happen we should listen Canada.

    Point less stat? The running back gets the most punishment out of any position. Do you really think any other player gets hit more than a running back?

    Maybe our qb since we don't block but come on Mike. A running back is being chased by 11 guys every play when he has the ball.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    stupid apostrophes. Ugh.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    It's pointless because it's an aggregate of the guy's that have 1 day careers and the guy's who are day one starters in the NFL - that's idiotic.
    Case in point, the average career span of wide receivers was less than 3 months longer than the average career span of running backs. So, does that mean wide receivers get so beat up after 2.75 years that they can no longer produce?
    Think about it.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Who gets the ball the majority of time?

    Qb, Rb, and WR.

    The RB will get the ball almost every time.

    Whether it is a run or pass. He gets the ball and he is continually getting punished.

    It's cool you like Forte a lot. I just do not want to give him a long term deal and I am listening to offers.

    Hell many people think I am crazy for wanting to keep Urlacher when I know he is about to go down soon. Just my opinion is all it is. Not saying I am right or wrong. Just my gut feeling.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    If you want to use a statistic to support your argument, you need to understand it in context.
    And I don't think you're getting what I'm saying about the longevity stat you used.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    The last part is hard to argue with - but they might not think they can find that guy at the bottom of the second or whatever so I guess we could get still get two seconds for him?

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I understand Amigo. No worries

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  • wassup........boys & girls....not sure if this has been posted yet..but interesting read if we get Floyd and one of these FA:


  • In reply to lobotobear:

    I did..asshole.

    jk.. Manningham, S.Johnson,and Bowe, will not be coming here.

  • yep...I thought that might get you Artoo....Tong should be what a scl
    hong...but his shotgun approach with his scenarios are pretty loose

  • btw...It's Mr...AAASSSSHHHOOOLLLLEEE!!!!

  • Damn

  • on the same thread:


  • Interesting read :-)


  • In reply to BXLBearsFan:

    BXL....the angle of the agent's analysis is what I find unique...

    the other sentence that stands out is this:
    A good general manager plows into free agency and finds players that fit his team's holes before signing them at a market price below their "true" value.

    something we have not seen for ten years in our first rounders...maybe that will change.

  • In reply to BXLBearsFan:

    Interesting, but replete with canards, like the crap about playing with a backup, and the number of possessions..

  • RT @ShanePHallam With this numbers [4.5, 4.78 40 time] , is a Brian Urlacher comparison to Luke Kuechly inappropriate? maybe not...

  • R2... remember that Lach was a Saftey @ UNM...he was a hybrid from the start.

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    I know. I am telling you though, this guy seems a actual legit replacement for Urlacher.

  • R2...right with you on this brah...the more I read on him the more he does fit Lach's shoe's...which is something we are all going to have to face..that Lach can't play forever...

    wasn't WP..said he wanted his last game as a Bear and he would fly off into the sunset?... actually I think in your Avatar's suit if my memory holds..got to love Superman...

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    I think Lach would love to do the same

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    Some big ass safety though .....

  • Mercilus ran a 4.68 40 - 6'4" 261.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I can see why we're targeting him. He also played some LB in a 3-4 and DT.

    He's projected as a DE, but he might even be able to play strong side LB.

    His 16 sacks, 9 FFs and flexibility must be giving Lovie and Marinelli boners.

    Only knock on him is that Mercilus might be a "one year wonder"

  • 10 yd-split 1.57
    Bench 27

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    DT Measurables

    First off, this draft class is ripe with DTs (and WRs), so it's entirely possible we could wait till the 3rd round and scoop a quality starter.

    Secondly, 40 times usually don't mean squat for these guys. What matters more is the 10 yd split cause that gauges how quickly they can get into the back field off the snap. It is esp important for our Cover 2, since we traditionally like those lighter quicker 3 techs like Harris (who had an insane 10 yd split).

    Mayock and Kiper were talking about what matters for these guys, and I'll paraphrase.

    DT ( Players like Kevin Williams, Suh, Marcell Dareus, Docket, Kyle Williams were all roughly in this range)

    Jump - 31 (explosion)
    Bench - 28 (strength)
    10 yd Split - 1.7 (penetration)

    So look for us to draft a prospect in the later rounds who had production and hopefully some of these measurables. Most likely, the Bears will draft a little known DT who is just under 300 whose split hovers around 1.7 to groom.

  • I thought that was the one position we won't be drafting. Melton, Paea, Okoye, Big Toe and the practice squad guy ?

  • Big Toe might be gone.

    It's looking like Melton, Paea, Okoye, and whomever we draft or is on the practice squad.

  • I'm guessing in the 5th or 6th, we'll take a flyer on one.

  • Poe who weighs 350 pounds ran a 4.87

    Burfict who weighs a 100 pounds less ran a 4.93

  • Anyone have a reason for that?

    Numbers do not lie.. either he tripped or didn't try.

  • Shit happens. Foreman had the flu when he fought Ali in the jungle - would have whipped his ass 99 times out of 100 otherwise.

  • The '70's was a horrible time to be a Bears/Cubs fan, but for Boxing... some of the best fights of all time, on network TV.

    Foreman in his prime could walk into the octogon and kick the ass of every MF'er there with a burger in one hand.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    He could probably still walk into the octagon and knock dudes out.

    He even answers fan's emails, no standard replies either. He's a sweet guy. Send him some love at bgfuzzy2@aol.com.

  • I think it's worse than that Irish.

    Ali thought he was the greatest, like Burfict.

    Ali also trained, unlike Burfict.

    I seriously think that's what happened here. Burfict told the interviewers he's the best LB, and I don't think he even trained for the combine. No way he's that slow. No way a 350 pound guy should run faster than a LB.

  • It's too slow to be true, he must be sick or hurting - it's strange all right.

  • The 40 numbers don't worry me so much as the fact that he's fucked up every one of his interviews, his school thinks he's toxic, and he sounds like more of a shithead every day we get closer to the draft. That stuff should be calming down, not getting worse.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Anyone got any links to these interviews?

  • http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/26/burfict-says-hes-misunderstood/

    Here's one, doesn't sound so bad. People see smoke around this guy and just shout 'fire!'.

    They were going 7 on 7 and a receiver hit him. No hitting rule in 7 on 7, so they were jawing in the locker room and the other guy pushed him, Burfict swung back. That's what a middle linebacker should do, right?

    Although Mayock did have this to say which tempers my enthusiasm somewhat.

    NFL Network’s Mike Mayock has watched Burfict’s games. And he isn’t impressed.

    “I’m not a fan at all,” Mayock said of Burfict on Wednesday’s conference call with the media. “I just watched a bunch of his tape the other day. I came away unimpressed.”

    Burfict has been criticized for off-field issues as well as his on-field self control, committing a high number of personal foul penalties. Mayock said he tried to filter out Burfict’s off- and on-field character when breaking down the player.

    “His instincts aren’t good,” Mayock added. “He gets enveloped by bigger bodies and he runs around blocks. … For a big, strong guy, he’s nowhere near as strong at the point of attack as I thought he’d be.

    “I don’t see first round at all.”

  • He got pissed because he took contact from a walk-on wide receiver that weighed 30 lbs less than him and then threw the first punch.
    Then he wouldn't own up to being in the wrong.
    He's a d-bag.

    He's also managed to blame the media for his rep, the officials for his 17 personal fouls in 35 games, and his coaches for his tremendous dip in production in his junior year.

  • Maybe he just sucks?

  • http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-combine/09000d5d8273ed9e/Massive-Poe-runs-impressive-40?module=HP11_content_stream

    Could we say no to this guy after all we've said ?

  • I have to agree with Jeff. Floyd has the IT factor. He makes the big catch. He runs well after the catch. He is big and he's strong. I'm not going to let the alcohol thing scare me if all there is to it, is the stories we have already heard. He was young, had the world by the ass, and did stupid stuff. I know at one time I was two out of three in that group. Like we all know, it's the draft and its a crap shoot. If the Bears can be sure it was youthful indiscretions rather than a real character issue....I say we grab him if he's there!

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    Was young? Was stupid ? How much can he have changed sice leaving college. Does he get wiser when the millions get stuffed in his pocket? Don't things get a lot worse then?

    I don't know Murph, I was young and foolish for a long time. Now I'm just old and foolish. We don't need to take a risk on this guy when he doesn't tick the tall receiver category. Leopards don't change their spots.

  • Depends on who is available Irish.

    If he is the best one on the board. Take him.

  • If he is on the board when we're picking, I don't see any way we don't take him unless he gets popped for something else between now and April 26th.

    I'd probably rather have Mercilus, personally, but I think the front office would take Floyd if he's available.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    If he's left the reservation like they say he has and he was there in the 3rd could we really say no? I'm not looking for Tim Tebow in my linebackers. Piranhas yes, choir boys no.

  • You're willing to lose out on Floyd because he drank in college.
    But you are willing to overlook the fact that Burfict drew 17 (!) personal fouls in 35 collegiate games, got into a locker room throwdown with his own teammate, and has blamed his coach for his own inconsistencies.
    Oh, and apparently he doesn't care to put effort forth at the NFL combine.
    I don't get it.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    No, I wouldn't draft Floyd because he's 6'3. Plain and simple.

    Burfict has a nasty streak in him, a Butkus-like nasty streak, that's all I know about him. I like nasty linebackers.

    Cutty has gone to the point of publicly lobbying for a tall receiver. We should listen to our quarterback and fill an obvious gap in our roster, the jump ball receiver. The field stretcher. If we want 6'2 then go out and pay Meachem, but draft Hill. Now if they got Colston, we could draft our receiver later on. No first year receiver we draft is going to make much of an impact anyway, and we need a pro on board.

    What about Ming? If we're not going down the Mario Williams route then we need a pass rusher, not a second-tier guy in FA.

    I think Emery does the smart thing and drafts the best guy avaialble, which is not likely to be a pissed-up 6'2 receiver. I hope that guy is Trent Richardson. If we got him and said goodbye to Forte, our whole team gets better as a result. Not paying some guy off because he was a huge chunk of our offense over the last couple of years in some teary-eyed grand gesture. We should get what we can while he's worth something. You sell a depreciating asset for more than its cost and you're a genius. He only cost us a second rounder, if we can get a first and a second then it's a no-brainer.

  • 6'2 even ....

  • I'll bet you a Lou Malnati's Pizza that Floyd has 10x the carrier that this Stephen Hill has. Hill played in a fucking option offense and never got the ball. Floyd dominated good competition with shitty quarterbacks. The combine is way over rated. You know who was the fucking man at the combine? Mark Bradley. How did he work out? Juaquin Inglasias. Another combine guy. Fuck the combine. Right in its combine ass.

  • I hate to point this out Irish but both of us quit drinking. People do change.

  • blogfader....the elephant in the room is this...can we get him at #19...or will E-Train chug up the line and trade up for him? (did you see how I did that?)...as artoo has talked previous on this thread E has no problem go up...let's hope...

    the sheite hype that the Combine has done for Floyd...with comments like
    "He's a man among boys"
    "He's a higher first round than #19"
    you know the b.s.

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    this is what I'm talking about:


    His Agent has what from this point on will be called a "Martzy" aka "Woody", "Tripod""PogoStick"

    Def for a "Martzy":

    When blood rushes from the Head between the Shoulders to the one between, ones' legs...and stupidity becomes the factor.

  • Nice interview with Anthony Adams posted by Jeff. We've got like 10 D-linemen on the roster and we might pick up a couple more in the draft; it was inevitable to see some turnover. Adams gave us a solid effort - thanks for the hard work. Hopefully he finds another team to let him pick up a bit more retirement cash.

  • No Big money for FA WR = Mario W or Avril or Mathis and Jared Gaither.

  • In reply to elcaney:

    elcaney.......I would take Mario W or Avril in your scenario! anytime!!!

  • In reply to elcaney:

    I'd be happy with just Stephen Hill in that scenario.

  • and the shit rolls down hill.....


  • In reply to lobotobear:

    was posted on this article:

    ASU fan here. Take my advice. Don’t touch this guy. Not even in the late rounds. Just a guy you don’t want in your locker room.

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    The Ravens will take him and see if Ray can bitch slap him into shape.

  • In reply to gpldan:


  • In reply to lobotobear:

    Holy Crap, this is the guy Irish keeps going nuts over? WOW!

  • In reply to lobotobear:


    Burfict went from late teens to 2nd round to 4rth round or later quick.

    Still want this guy Irish?

  • after reading reports.......take me out Burfict´s corner.....

  • In the third or fourth, why not? He's an animal. Not quite sure hat's going on with him, but with our history of 3rd/4th round picks, sure.

  • But top two rounds, probably not. I think I'd do a Homer's retreat and jump on Kuechly's bandwagon (if we lock him in the gym and put him on weight gain 2000).

  • on a sad note here;;;how low can you go..



    and ouch on #59 & #60.....tee hee hee

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    I'm still for giving Braylon Edwards a shot. Pair him with Floyd and even if you didn't land Marshall or any of the coveted guys, I think you'd more than replace Roy and Knox.

  • In reply to gpldan:


  • In reply to gpldan:

    I wouldn't want Edwards as a first choice but I'd be OK with him as a fall back plan. Definitely better than Roy.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Roy could'nt find his arse if his two hands were gorilla glued to it!!!!

  • In reply to lobotobear:


  • In reply to lobotobear:


  • In reply to lobotobear:

    As much as people seem to hate Roy, me included, if we don't get the number one guy or a decent second guy, expect him to come back again. Cheaply.

  • R2......agree..and that would really show that E-Train is just a puppet for this Franchise....

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I don't think we should let Roy go - give him another year with Cutty. He'll be an invaluable big body on those roll-outs. Before anybody mentions drops, name a receiver that doesn't drop the ball. Roddy White lead the NFL in drops this season.

  • Unless he's forced off the roster by someone better, keep him. Cutler can make it work, whatever. The problem comes when Cutler gets hurt. Hopefully next season we'll have more receivers who can get open and a backup QB who can occasionally hit them when they're not (and when the defender isn't looking).

  • Roy was fucking awfull last year. Badly timed drops are only part of it. He looked like he didn't give 1/8th of a shit about anything when he was on the field. Hub Arkush said exactly that at one point. He didn't block at all and ran his routes all half assy. He looked like he was just going through the motions. Honestly, I would take Dane fuckin SanzenSchlonger on the roster over Roy E. Fuck Roy Williams in the ear.

  • I don't like him either, but at the moment, the Bears are potentially without Knox and Forte next season.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    I will have to agree - if Knox was healthy, there is no doubt in my mind that Roy would be gone already. I'd prefer his roster spot be used on someone that could (or in Roy's case, would) play special teams, but I think we're stuck with his sorry ass in 2012. I hope I'm wrong.

  • According to sources, the Chicago Bears prefer Vincent Jackson over their other options. That does not mean that the Bears won’t be targeting Wide Receivers early in the NFL Draft. In a perfect world, the Bears would like to add multiple Receivers this off season.


  • from your thread..to the football gods ears..R2

  • They changed Vontaze's 40 to a 5.09. Not a typo.


    I know he wouldn't fall to us but if he did

    Floyd or Kuechly?

  • http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-combine/09000d5d82741f89/Breaking-down-the-LBs?continuous=true

  • "If we're drafting a receiver he'd better not be six foot fkn two."

    - Cutler's inner thoughts yesterday.

    You just know Cutler has a Stephen Hill boner going on.

    I say we trade Forte and draft everybody.

  • Depends on what is your plan R2, if you want to cover a necessity right now, Floyd.

    if you want to draft for future, Floyd and Kuechly.

    if you want to pick the next cornerstone of our defense, Kuechly.

    if you pick by talent, Kuelchly and Floyd

    If you want to protect the investment and the most important player in our team till he retires (cutler), Mike Adams.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    The 225-pound bench press has some predictive value.

    "There's a footnote in the paper that states it did predict for one position, and that's it," Lyons said. "I think for defensive linemen and by their second year."

  • Here's the footnote:

    A post hoc analysis revealed that the 225-pound bench press was unrelated to future NFL performance across positions. Examining the relationship within position yielded similar results — a significant relationship was detected only for defensive lineman in Year 2 of performance.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    Crunch, did you see the part where they excluded offensive linemen from the sample entirely?
    You know, the one position group that has to use upper body strength to block other guys on every snap of the ball?

    Also, the sample size is three years from the mid 2000's...out of the vast amount of data available, that's a little peculiar.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    You got something better, other than the opinion of some blowhard with a hairdo?

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    Crunch, my point is they didn't even TRY to make that connection for offensive linemen - who, yet again, are hitting guys in the chest with their arms every snap for dozens of downs each and every game.
    And their sample size is pretty questionable, other than for the fact that "performance", I will bet, is pretty subjective in their grading.

    Actually, I never disagreed with the premise that bench press had a tenuous correlation to performance for most position groups. It's pretty irrelevant to wide receivers, defensive backs, linebackers, hell, even defensive ends, but if you can't see the correlation between what an offensive lineman does with his arms and the explosive strength it takes to do 30+ reps of 225 as fast as they pop them off in the combine, I don't know what to tell you.
    When I get a chance, I will read the paper in its entirety and let you know if it changes my opinion.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    First of all, why are you arguing with me? Fool, can't you see that I have the power to post replies to comments that haven't been made yet? Look at Da Blog timestamps. My previous reply preceeded your previous comment by a full three minutes. Numbers don't lie.

    Second, offensive lineman were not included "due to the fact that negative performance data (e.g., sacks allowed, holding penalties, false starts) was more readily available to sample than positive performance data. If we included offensive linemen, those who performed less frequently would be statistically high performers because they did not have the opportunity to accumulate these negative statistics."

    Let's face it, football isn't track-and-field. It's hard to quantify performance. Anybody who tells you otherwise is blowing smoke up your ass.

    Irish mentioned Ali. Watch his fights. He regularly beat guys who, on paper, should have handed him his ass. Performance is about performance, not so-called measurables (especially random, select, unrealistic measurables).

    Btw, here's the study (PDF - it was hard to find free, you're welcome):


  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    Hard to find. I'm more like George Jetson every day. "Spacely, that slavedriver, made me push FIVE buttons today."

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    lol - I'll read it today.

  • Are basketball and baseball almost done yet? when the fuck does the football season start?

  • Lovie and Urlacher and Briggs are the perfect guys to cool Burfict's jets - and he just got cheaper. There were two interesting comments blow that Burfict link :

    Burfict from yellow flags to red ones?
    He is unblockable. He tackles you and you go down. He will hit you when you are not ready, he plays the game the way a boxer goes about a match. He is hard to coach and if you get under his skin, he is impossible to control. He is the kind of guy that every fan wants on their defense, he is also the kind of guy that every coach hates to deal with. I would draft him, because he is the meanest player in the draft. He is the anti-tebow.

    Burfict from yellow flags to red ones?
    This kid has major character concerns, no doubt, but if you could get him to hone his aggressive/violent nature to use it between the whistles only, he could be a fearsome middle linebacker for years!

    If he landed at a team with veteran leadership there is no reason to think the coaches and players couldnt straighten him out!

    I would like the Saints to take a late round flyer on him! Joe Vitt the linebackers coach would soon show him who the boss is!

  • I really don't feel a WR getting drafted in the first, or was that just an Angelo thing? Hill won't be there at the bottom of the second round so do we trade down and take him with Konz in the first ?

  • as I said to R2:
    Depends on what is your plan R2, if you want to cover a necessity right now, Floyd.

    if you want to draft for future, Floyd and Kuechly.

    if you want to pick the next cornerstone of our defense, Kuechly.

    if you pick by talent, Kuelchly and Floyd

    If you want to protect the investment and the most important player in our team till he retires (cutler), Mike Adams.

    otherwise, trade for 2 round picks

  • USC's DE Nick Perry also scored points this weekend.

    On top of his combine results, the guys on NFL network were raving about his attitude. "Old School", "Got off the bus all biznizz", that kind of stuff.

    I get a feeling Lovie and especially Marinelli will love this guy, and he's projected around 10-20.

  • fb_avatar

    Why not Steven Jackson?


    Just watch it. I know it's a "Highlight" tape and doesn't show drops, but there are more highlights in this clip than you could compile for the Bears' wide receivers for the last decade.

  • http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-combine/09000d5d82741f89/Breaking-down-the-LBs?module=HP11_content_stream

    This Mychal Kendricks would be interesting in the 3rd. Fastest linebacker at the combine, would fit in nicely beside Urlacher.

  • I would like to say that in HS, my 40 time was also 5.09.

    So between that and a bad attitude, Burfict and I are like soul brothers.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    tee hee hee

  • The chicagobears.com, I listened to Peter King. He brought before this season began that Mike Tice was telling him wait till he sees these tightends.

    I think Davis and Spathe will look great this year. No one need to draft any. Martz system hindered them.

  • R2...I'm still trying to figure out who wasn't hindered by Martzy?

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    Roy Williams and Brandon Mammafedmetoomuch.

  • hahahahahahahahahaha

  • http://www.csnchicago.com/blog/bears-talk/post/Biggs-talks-Bears-wide-receiver-options?blockID=659386&feedID=10330

    Great stuff. Watch the video.

  • Why did Jimmy Johnson and these guys say the same thing?

    When a running backs production goes down, the production goes down hard.

  • like Emmett Smith? Boy, he was never the same after year 4.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    It's something we will have to disagree on. I get your point but if the average life is 4 years and we have already ran the hell out of him.

    How much do you think he has left in his tank? Do you think he is the next Payton, Tomlison, or Smith?

  • How much do you think Mikel LeShoure had in the tank his rookie year when he went into his first practice and snapped his Achilles tendon?

    I don't have to think he's the next anything; you do - you have to think there's another Pro Bowl running back available in this draft or the next -and- that we'll be able to get him at equal or lesser value than the picks we'd gain from trading Forte.

    The burden of proof is on that hypothetical, not my proven Pro Bowler.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    If only we'd done the smart thing and dumped Walter in 1979 before he went down the toilet; we would have never had to suffer through those miserable 1980's teams.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Mike, can you really see Forte lasting long enough to be worth signing a big deal to?

    I can understand franchising him for this year but a long term deal.

    Very few players are like Payton, Smith, or Tomlison. If you want to think he is close to that or that good, then believe it and sign him. Two nice things will happen. You will be right and hopefully he takes us to a Superbowl.

    I don't. He is good but not that good. Also, if Richardson turns out to be a huge bust then yes, I was wrong. I never liked Leshoure. That was Mr.Irish's choice.

  • Forte is hands down the best back we've had since Walter. Sign him to a contract that allows an out after 2 more years. He's the best back in the NFC North by a long shot. (AP's all gimped up and can't catch or block)

  • Hands down? No way. Neal Anderson was the man.

  • Neal Anderson couldn't wash Forte's nutsack

  • What the Coach said. Artoo, your dissing of Forte frankly pisses me off a little. Him and Arian Foster were the two most productive backs in the league last year. He averaged 4.9 yards per carry, second highest in the league among backs with 200 carries, and he averaged 9.4 yards per catch, probably tops in the league among running backs. He's not a power runner, so he doesn't take the pounding that Peterson does.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    Fifth don't get mad. It's just an opinion.

    I like Forte a lot and I hope we keep him. Everything I said won't happen. If it does then we will see.

    No one will trade for Forte if they needed a back right now. He is a solid player but I guarantee they would rather trade up and get Richardson.

    I do not think you guys have watch Richardson's tape, workouts, or his football IQ. All of it is great and really high up there. He will be a great back.

  • I agree. I'd take Richardson over Forte any day of the week (factoring in Forte's trade value) - not that Richardson will be there anyway. He's a mini-beast.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I never thought about that. Imagine what numbers Walter would have put up behind Emmit Smith's OLs and having a QB and receivers to boot..

  • damn...I know they say that the Camera adds 10lbs on you but..Briggs'y...how many camera's do they have on you?....

    dude's got cut back on the double's

    1. Double Beef and Italian Sausage
    2. Double Chicago Dog
    3. Double Chili Dog
    ...the list can go on..............

    yeah R2...pretty good vid...just couldn't get past Chris Farley look ""Fat Guy in a Little Coat"

  • In reply to lobotobear:


  • In reply to lobotobear:

    I meant Biggsy

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    I don't know man.. I was thinking the same thing. He is going to hate to hit 50 and those bones give up on him.


    A source close to Randy Moss says the wide receiver many believed to be retired is willing to sign a contract that doesn't guarantee him any money.

    According to Jason Cole of yardbarker.com, the source said: “This is not about money for him, he wants to play. He’ll want to be paid if he makes the team, but nothing up front. He’s not trying to grab a check.”

    Meanwhile, Jason La Canfora of NFL.com reports Moss could start making visits to workout for teams as early as Tuesday.

    Moss didn't play last season after splitting the 2010-11 season between the New England Patriots, Minnesota Vikings and Tennessee Titans. He only caught 28 passes for 393 yards and five touchdowns. But in 2009-10 he was still one of the best deep threats in the league, hauling in 83 balls for 1,264 yards and 13 TDs.

    Would the Bears take a risk on the 35-year-old Moss? Its highly unlikely. But what would they have to lose if he doesn't want any money just to come to training camp? Moss clearly cannot be their big addition at the position, but what if Phil Emery lands one of the top wideouts available -- Dwayne Bowe, Vincent Jackson or Marques Colston -- and rolls the dice on Moss?

    If the future Hall of Famer actually has something left in the tank, a combination of Bowe/Jackson/Colston, Moss and Earl Bennett could be unstoppable catching passes from Jay Cutler.

  • Sounds good to me. It's all about giving Cutler weapons, multiple weapons to stretch the field.

  • Oh, I'm sure he has plenty left to tank - at least six or seven games....

    Sorry, I misread that: you said "in" the tank...
    Uh, my guess is no, nothing left "in" the tank.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Hahaha, nice one Mike.

    Moss is a really weird player. I don't think he wants to go to Chicago anyways but if he played here for a cheap pick up.. I'm not complaining.

  • Now, if he paid US to take him, I'd think about it.

  • Colston/Moss/Earl. That has a ring to it. Screw first round receivers who haven't proved jack shit in the pro game. Give me pro ballers. Give me manly-sized men who know the game inside out.

    Use our picks to build OL/DL/LB.

    Build that wall in front of Forte/Barber/Clutts/Cutler.

    Sit back and watch the show. Can't wait.

  • http://aggbot.com/Chicago-Bears-News/article/16273599

    Damn when Urlacher leaves..Sniff, sniff, and get him a ring Lovie!

  • R2...amen to that!...I just hope it just isn't like Sweetness' Super Bowl..That was just ugly...and he didn't deserve to go out "THAT" way..

  • And a successor. Gotta keep passing that torch, it's a relatively cheap way to get the best out of the defense.

  • Why haven't any players been franchised yet??? Like to see a firmer list of what will really be available in free agency.

  • In reply to JerseyBear:

    Trying to work out a cheaper long year deal.

    Rather pay 5 mill this year for the next five than pay 8 mill for one season and go through this all over again.

  • I hear ya. I'm just getting impatient and want free agency to start.

  • In reply to JerseyBear:

    I think the last day they can be tagged is March 5th. Most teams wait until the last second hoping to strike a deal.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    We're getting close then!!!!

  • I get the part where people get excited by the combine and the draft. It's like chasing that perfect girl. Then you go out with her and find out she farts, is a bitch, those big tits are gophers (go for the floor), is a lousy lay and has bad breath. Please keep some of that in mind with these guys. Just because they were great in college or can wow at the combine, most of them will be lucky to be journeyman NFL'ers.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    That has to be when you get older.

    No girl was that bad when checked her out lol

  • One day you'll think, "Holy Crap, Canada was right. This girl is a beast." Not your significant other, of course.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    CB...you mean her:


  • In reply to lobotobear:

    that's for you MB...lol

  • In reply to lobotobear:


  • tee hee hee...I love that vid!!!!

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    That NEVER gets old! BooYah!

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Bad breath and lousy lay kinda go hand in hand in most cases.

    As always, YMMV

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Absolutely Canada, but other than FA what else have we got to talk about?

    By the way, those jump figures :

    Top 10 in vertical jump
    Kashif Moore, Connecticut: 43.5 inches
    Jerrell Jackson, Missouri: 41
    Chris Owusu, Stanford: 40.5
    Stephen Hill, Georgia Tech: 39.5
    Keshawn Martin, Michigan State: 39.5
    Devon Wylie, Fresno State: 39
    A.J. Jenkins, Illinois: 38.5
    Kendall Wright, Baylor: 38.5
    Travis Benjamin, Miami: 38
    Juron Criner, Arizona: 38
    Jarius Wright, Arkansas: 38

    Top 10 in broad jump
    Hill: 11 feet, 1 inch
    Owusu: 10-9
    Jackson: 10-7
    Moore: 10-6
    Mohamed Sanu, Rutgers, 10-6
    Greg Childs, Arkansas: 10-5
    Tommy Streeter, Miami; 10-5
    Junior Hemingway, Michigan: 10-4
    Jenkins: 10-4
    Joe Adams, Arkansas: 10-3
    Jarrett Boykin, Virginia Tech: 10-3
    Devier Posey, Ohio State: 10-3
    Wylie: 10-3

  • http://espn.go.com/blog/afcnorth/post/_/id/43147/will-ravens-use-tag-on-rice-next-year-too

    Rice likely won't sign a multi-year deal that includes less than $30 million guaranteed (that's what Johnson received). If the Ravens use the franchise tag for two years, it would cost them about $17 million.

    A good comparison for Rice is the career of LaDainian Tomlinson, who had seven straight seasons of 300-plus carries before his rushing yards dipped significantly. Rice, 25, has had three straight seasons of 250-plus carries, so you would have to expect at least four more strong seasons out of him.

    Do you feel confident enough in Rice to give him $30-million plus in a long-term deal? Or do you play it safe and use the franchise tag on him for the next two years?

  • Rice is probably the best power back with Speed since Hershel Walker (or Bo Jackson). Ok, maybe Terrell Davis. Ok, ok, more up to date then. Ok...um... Shawn Alexander in his prime.

    Forte is more akin to Marcus Allen.

    Forte is likely to have a longer career than Rice, but I'd rather have Rice for a couple of key explosive seasons.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I hope so Gp. I hope so.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    We need a banger, and Forte ain't no banger. Robert Hughes might be our guy for that this year ? Will he make the roster even?

    Jebus, hold the front page. Clutts is listed at 260??

  • Peyton Hillis isn't getting franchised apparently. Any love on here?

  • Nope. Slow and white.

    I rather keep Forte and Barber. That was a great combo

  • Nope - Hillis sucks balls.

  • 5 Leading Draft Prospects for Bears

    Naturally, after FA, this list will change, but prospects which I think are in the Bear 1st round list according to your reigning DBBII Fantasy Champ...

    1) DE Whitney Mercilus. No secret the Bears are searching for another DE, esp since they haven't resigned Izzy. Mercilus has everything on the Bears check list. Production, sacks, turnovers, strength, a great 10 yd split, flexibility, athletic. Oh, and he's from Illi.

    2) WR Michael Floyd. No need to discuss why. Only question: will he be around at 19?

    3) ILB Luke Kuechly. Hmmm...let me see...6'3, 243 runs a 4.5, over 500 tackles, displays the best zone instincts Mayock has ever seen from an LB, although his blitzing is somewhat lacking...sound familiar? Lach is getting older, no matter what lip service Lovie gives, and Kuechly can fall to us simply because LBs who aren't pass rushers usu don't get drafted too highly.

    4) OT Mike Adams. He only benched like 19, but I wont open up that Pandora's box. Nate Solder benched poorly last year, but he was known more as a finesse player than Adams who has about 50 pounds on him. Only question. Does Adams fit Tice's definition of a "stud" LT?

    5) DT Fletcher Cox. Dark Horse. Scroll up and read my DT Measurables...now insert Cox's name. According to Pompeii "Mississippi State's Fletcher Cox looks like the best pass rushing defensive tackle and will appeal to two-gap teams like the Bears. He ran a 4.79 at 298 pounds and could be the first DT taken." More importantly Cox ran a 1.63 ten yd split and benched 225 30 times. I doubt Cox will be the 1st taken considering Michael Brockers, Devon Still's and Poe are in the mix, which might mean he can fall to us. Oh, and Emery was seen talking to Cox's agent (who is also the agent for Blackmon btw) at the combine too.

  • good analysis, 4ever - me likey.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    If those 5 guys were on the board, who would you draft MBP?

    Man, that would be a tough choice.

  • Tough call...it depends largely on what we do in free agency over the next two months.

    If we sign Super Mario, then I'd go with Floyd.
    If we sign, say, Vincent Jackson, then I'd go with Mercilus.
    If we stand pat at DL, receiver, etc, and resign our key free agents, then it gets really dicey. I could even be talked into a linebacker in the first, but I'd want to research 2013 prospects at the position.

    All that being said, I'd take Mercilus first out of that group at this point in time, but Floyd would be a close second.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    That's why I can't wait for FA. We will really know what's going to go down.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I do Agree, FA would place the draft.

  • Three scenarios:

    If we were unable to pick up a heavy hitting WR in FA, I would draft Floyd. We must have a #1 prospect in training camp.

    If we did get a WR, I would probably take Mercilus. There's just too much depth at WR this year, and almost no depth at DE. We'll get a great rookie WR in round 2 or 3.

    If we picked up a WR and a DE (let's say Reggie Wayne and Mathis from Indy), then I would probably take Kuechly.
    The one exception would be if Carimi or Webb was looking like there wouldn't be enough improvement to have a solid LT prospect going into the year (Tice and Emery will be talking about that a lot this off-season). In that case I'd be looking at Adams.

    Given we have two good prospects at DT (Paea and Melton) and so many more issues elsewhere, I just don't see us going DT with those other guys on the board.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    I agree with both of you guys. That's why I put them in that order.

    It's become clear to me that the Bears are clearing cap (AA, rumors of Izzy, Graham, Big Toe being cut...) for FA, just not sure which players they're targeting. My best guess is Vjax or Colston.

    When in doubt, fall back to the old maxim: Build the lines.

    In that scenario, Mercilus becomes our man.

  • I just like a pass rushing DE named "Merciless"

  • In reply to gpldan:

    How about a DT named "COX"? lol

    Which DT in this draft reminds Sapp of himself? COOOOX!!!


  • I knew a kid in grammar school named BJ Cox.

    Poor kid.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Ha ha! Was his middle name "Luvs"?

    Mercilus Cox combo would also be acceptable.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    This guy?

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Ha. Forgot about that. Steve "Bug Eyes" Buschemi!

    Ironically, will prob be most remembered for being put into a wood chipper.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Shut the fuck up Donny! Your out of your element!

  • In reply to TheFifth:


  • In reply to TheFifth:

    Nah, I don't tip...


  • In reply to TheFifth:


  • 4ever85...+1

  • As the reigning champ of DBB fantasy league, and a champion of one of last years DBB fantasy leagues I agree with your picks. I think that bench thing is overrated for Olinemen. We want them to be long armed. Longer arms bench press less reps. I cant wait till the free agent thing plays out and draft day is right in front of us.

  • In regards to a center, it looks like the Pack may very well part ways with Wells and bring in somebody else, especially if they tag and trade Flynn.
    Anyone want to spend some green on picking up him and picking his brain for an offseason? He's only 31.

  • You know what further complicates matters for Emery? Lovie.

    I mean, does Emery draft scheme specific players? What if Emery thinks the Cover 2 scheme is outdated and that Lovie must go eventually? That would prob impact what kind of LBs, DTs and CBs...he drafts.

    What happens if Emery drafts all these Cover 2 guys and the Bears miss the playoffs in 2012 ; Lovie gets terminated, then Emery hires a 3-4 HC?

    That's why GMs usually hire coaches year one.

    Just a thought.

  • Mercilus would be an even better pick in that respect since he's been brought up as a 3-4 OLB prospect.

  • Artoo,

    You are certifiable on this whole trade Forte thing. Why trade a pro-bowler for an unknown? Because of statistics? You're out of your mind mang. Would you have traded Walter after year 4? Who cares what other guys have or haven't done. Forte is a GREAT back. Unless somebody is willing to give us a Herschell Walker type trade or a Ricky Williams type steal, he's not going anywhere and he shouldn't.

  • Doc, no one's arguing that Forte isn't a great back, rather, is a great back (who gobbles up cap space) needed to win a SB in this modern era?

    Name one great back who has won a SB in the last decade.

    I think that's the more underlying issue when discussing Forte.

  • I get what you're saying, but the list of guys that started at running back for Super Bowl contenders the last ten years is not full of sad sacks either.
    How many of those teams had dominant linebackers?
    Does that devalue Lach?

  • Actually, Erik and Irish both have said Forte is a good back, not a great one...and better yet, he'd be easily replaceable. If only we had a trade partner that wants our running back at the expense of their first and second rounders...the same running back that is evidently going to tank now that he is 26.
    You make the much more cogent argument regarding his value, and indeed, the value of the running back position altogether. I don't agree with it necessarily, but it makes more sense.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I think it's sad that HBs got so devalued by the NFL rules. I LOVE watching HBs, always have. Maybe that's cuz as a Bears fan, we've had the Galloping Horse, the Kansas Comet, Sweetness, and have just come to favor that position. But there's nothing more exciting than watching a RB like Sweetness or Bo or Sanders just do their thing.

    But we have to look at what the NFL is today. Most teams who have paid their HBs have done so to sell tickets more than to win SBs.

    Rams paid Steven Jackson cuz that was their only star. Minny, Titans, Panthers ditto.

    I'm not saying a good back won't get teams far in the modern era, but it seems like they get their respective teams to the Championship Game or lose in SBs. Those are just the facts. I want a SB Hat not a NFC Championship hat.

    So we have to determine if there really is some sort of correlation b4 we shell out 30 mil guaranteed. In addition, most fans admit that our window is about 2 years with this group, which Forte can be tagged in.

    I can only hope if we resign Forte to a mega-deal that we buck the trend, but he'd be the first PB HB to win the SB since, who, Emitt Smith?

    But as I said previously. ONLY if Richardson is on the board at #19 and ONLY if we can get a late 1st round/early 2nd for Forte would I then make that deal, either of which is highly unlikely.

  • I'm in that boat too Deadlift, we'd need Richardson and high/decent picks to make it worthwhile. People are concentratin on losing Forte and not what it would bring re salary cap freedom, extra picks etc. All they see are the words 'Forte' beside 'trade' and think 'no'. Read and consider what's being suggested.

  • Where are you when I am arguing this crap during my daytime lol

  • Why make critical changes to a playoff calibre team based on a theory when you can look back at last season (before the great hanieous) and SEE that Forte helped the Bears win?

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    Exactly. He was over 50% of our offense for a while last year. You don't trade one of your few bonafide offensive stars on a team that is on the doorstep, for a bunch of unknowns. It's crazy talk.

  • This all predicated on us drafting Richardson Doc, and that's got a really remote chance of happening. TR is not an unknown, he's a frightening talent and he hasn't blown two MCLs .. and he wouldn't cost us *M.

    BTW - Where have you been bro ?

  • Richardson has called the weight room "his cave". It is his place of worship and he is simply obsessed with it. At 5'11 and only 220 pounds, he has a power clean of over 365 pounds, a 600 pound squat, and a bench press of 475 pounds all to go along with lightning quick speed of a 4.4 40 yard dash. His coach has said that he picked up the 365 lbs. like it was a toothpick. However, his coach will not let him go heavier than that for fear of injury, saying "The last thing I need to do is mess this kid up", indicating that we'll never know his true one rep max.

  • Smart coach - you don't run with your arms.

  • Forte hasn't blown two MCL's either. He has had two mild MCL sprains - mild enough that he was able to continue playing on them. He didn't "blow" them. AFAIK neither one of them required any kind of surgery.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    He did those in his second year and last year in the NFL. He performed decently in his second year while injured.

  • You remember what life with an infant is like. Besides, I get bored with all the draft prognostications.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    a) to increase your ability to sign other players, helped by ...
    b) the salary cap space freed by not having to pay that player

    ... as long as there was another player there to replace Forte, naturally.

  • +1

  • I kinda like the thought process behind it. Trade Forte for some quality picks. How sick would it be to have two 1st round picks, two 2nd round picks and two 3rd picks?!?! We could get DE,WR,LB,DB and RB and have cap room left over for VJAX or Mario

  • In reply to Vicp71:

    The only problem with that Vicp is that Mike has a great point.
    How do you know the value of those picks?

    Proven Probowler or Unknown prospect?

    If Richardson sucks.. then Mr.Luck and RG3 better look bad too.

    I like my odds to fill a lot of holes with young talent and keep the cap open to get two great players.Who also have a unknown tagged to them.

  • Not to bust your balls Doc, wouldn't you be okay with RG3 over Cutler right now?

    I don't consider Forte great. I mean, you really think this guy is up there with Marcus Allen, Walter Payton, and Emmit Smith? If is that "great" many people would be asking for him right now.

    If this guy was the next LT or Payton, could you imagine the picks he would get?

    I would not have traded Walter after year 4. Different time and different era. And did Mr.Walter want to break the bank after his 4 years?

    Where is the great back idea coming from? Am I really missing something? He is good..but great?

  • Pig in a poke?


  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    I know I know..but for real...Where did this ''Greatness" come from?

  • Not from me. Forte's got a couple of holes in his game as we all know. If he achieves "greatness," it will be because of all-purpose yardage accumulated over a long career, or yards receiving by a running back. He's setting a decent pace. I'll get back to you in eight years, if we last that long.

  • Touche' young patawan. I think it must be said that my cutler comment was tongue in cheek. I was merely saying that I think RGIII is the real deal and in a way, I envy the team who will get him. But I wouldn't seriously trade Cutty for him or just about anyone else for that matter.

    You, on the other hand, seem hell bent on trading our pro-bowl-do-everything-best-back-since-Sweetness only because you read an NFL statistic that said running backs career's last fewer than 3 years.. Dude. As Browne said, that stat is what it is because of the fact that so few backs make it past a year or even a day in the NFL. The great backs tend to peak in their late twenties and cool off around 30. He's 27 and was really hitting his stride last year. You don't trade a player when he's hitting his stride unless you're going to get a steal of a deal for him, like the Herschell Walker trade. And that's clearly not happening in today's NFL.

    And think of it this way. What kind of message does it send to your veteran team when you trade a guy in the offseason following his best season?The season he was having MVP type numbers? Not a winning message. Trading Forte now is ludicrous.

  • It's not just that one stat. Very few running backs live up to those big contracts....I have one question, how many teams so far have paid their running backs to big contracts since all those other signings ? None. Gm's do not want to overpay.

    If we gave Forte the same amount as AP and he blows his knee and everything out, do you think he comes back the same?

    Forte will get a big deal and he deserves it. He has produced under a horrible line, cheap working conditions, and being asked to do more than just run.

    The sad fact is that position has a lot of turnover and if you think Forte is up with the greats..then I must not have watched him play since his opening night in Indy. He is good but not great.

    I'm not hell bent on trading him. I'm hell bent if people want to offer me a high first rounder and second rounder. If they offer even more than that, your a fool not to take it. The Cowboys started a dynasty with those picks.

    I'm just speculating and the reason all these guys go in the first round is because they are the most ready to start or best in their class.

    This whole scenario to me works if Richardson falls to us. No one watched this guy played, no one knows how smart football wise this guy is, and no one seems to think he couldn't replace Forte.

    Richardson has called the weight room "his cave". It is his place of worship and he is simply obsessed with it. At 5'11 and only 220 pounds, he has a power clean of over 365 pounds, a 600 pound squat, and a bench press of 475 pounds all to go along with lightning quick speed of a 4.4 40 yard dash. His coach has said that he picked up the 365 lbs. like it was a toothpick. However, his coach will not let him go heavier than that for fear of injury, saying "The last thing I need to do is mess this kid up", indicating that we'll never know his true one rep max.

  • Is he trying to be Mr. Olympia or a starting running back? Here I am getting lambasted for the 225 press reps for offensive linemen and you're telling me that his power lifting numbers are relevant for a running back? What is he going to do, dead lift his way down the field?

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Mike be honest with him. Did you watch all of his games last year?

    If so, opinion warranted, if not, Let me give some of his tape. I promise you will see what those workouts have been doing.

  • Ingram was a stud too. I seem to recall he started ahead of Richardson last year at Alabama?
    Richardson barely nudged his single-season rushing record, and what has Ingram been in the NFL?


  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    He is in a passing offense... just a few threads ago you were giving me the reasons Thomas,sproles, and Ingram share the backfield with Brees passing all the time

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Oh, so I -was- right.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:


  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Everything but we don't have to dwell on it.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I will let it go. I honestly don't care. I kinda feel like Jeff felt when he talked about Jerry.

  • I don't see it either Artoo, he's very good, but I don't see greatness. When you see greatness it takes your breath away, and Forte has never taken my breath away.

    If Forte gets through 13 seasons and breaks a thousand every time we'll talk great. Forte has a lot to do before he gets in the conversation. And nobody's saying trade him away for shit - it was only if for high picks and Trent Richardson being available. There are conditions.

    I think people got their knickers in a twist over Forte because he was twelve million percent of our offense blah blah blah.


    1. That was one of the worst offenses in the league remember.
    2. There was literally no one else to get the ball to (see 4 & 5).
    3. Maybe we have had pretty good run blocking at times and any number of backs would have gotten those yards? Cutty throwing him the ball maybe?
    4. Caleb Hanie was throwing the ball after we lost Cutler.
    5. Bennett was injured leaving Knox, Hester and Roy as our receivers.

    And although it's not necessarily a requirement of 'greatness' but Forte's not a very good pass-blocker. He can't knock people over and he's not much use up the middle.

    Walter Payton was a stone lighter and could do it all. Missed one game in 13 years and could have played in it. I don't like to see the word 'great' used around Forte - it's insulting to those who actually were. He has an apprenticeship to serve before you can sit back and go "Yeah, you know what, Forte was great, man ..."
    He's good, not great.

    I still get goosebumps watching Walter though.

  • Thank you very much.

    To be honest, does anyone really think Smith was great?

  • Do you become the all-time leading rusher by not being great?

    That doesn't mean I have to like the guy, but he was pretty damn impressive. It diminishes WP to not give Smith his respect. That doesn't mean I think Smith was better than Walter - not by a long shot.

  • You're right. Maybe great is a little strong. But he's defininitely one of the top weapons in the league right now and deserves more respect than he's gotten. I'm having trouble finding the statistic right now, but I'd wager he's in the top 4 in yards from scrimmage per game since he came into the league. And that's with horrible offensive lines, horrible play calling, and horrible complementary weapons in the receiving game. Forte is one of the best offensive players in the league right now and should not be traded for an unknown. I don't care how much he can clean and jerk.

    And Irish, he may not be Sweetness (who is?) but he's given me goosebumps. Some spectacular catches and some sweet cuts against the grain into the open field for long runs. The guy has speed, smarts, quickness, and toughness (remember when he played all year on a bum knee?). Oh, and he's an outstanding reciever as well. You don't trade players like that. You just don't.

  • He moves side to side like a 6'2, 218 lb, 4.46/40 jumping spider. That gives me goosebumps.

  • Do female sports teams grow playoff bushes? They have to, right?

  • I have never really loled..till today.


  • 70s bush?

  • I'm willing to be a research assistant.

  • Awesome.

  • That has to be the best comment in a long time. I hope it was original and not from someone else.

  • No. I came up with "awesome" all by myself. But thanks!

  • By Paul Kuharsky
    The money isn’t mine. I’m not certain about what you can afford and what the market will pay when free agency opens on March 13. I’m not positive about your plans and schemes.

    But I’ve got a good sense of your team. We've looked at your free agents.

    And here’s what I’d try to do with your major issues:

    1. Make one, big solid offer to defensive end Mario Williams. Very soon. Tell him it’s the best you are going to be able to do now or later. Expect him not to take it. Prepare for life without him and the crushing reviews you’ll get when he goes to a place like Seattle or, worse, Jacksonville, and wreaks some havoc as a pass rusher. Take solace that he’s overpaid by his new team and will ultimately mess up its cap. Plan to draft a outside linebacker to be third in a rotation with Connor Barwin and Brooks Reed.

    2. Free up money with the following moves: Cut receiver Jacoby Jones (due a $3 million base salary) and reserve quarterback Matt Leinart (due a $1.75 million base). Make it clear while you’d like to keep them on your team, you cannot pay inside linebacker DeMeco Ryans ($5.9 million), receiver Kevin Walter ($3.5 million base) or defensive tackle Shaun Cody ($2 million) the base salaries they are scheduled to make. Ryans is a good player and a great locker room guy. But he played 58 percent of the Texans' defensive snaps last season. He can't make that money for that time on the field.

    3. Do what you need to do to hold on to running back Arian Foster, but realize you have control. He’s a restricted free agent. A team trying to lure him away with an offer sheet would have to give up a first-rounder for him, and as great as he is, a first round pick is a high price for a running back. I think you can be a little risky here in terms of not worrying about outsiders. An offer sheet could be front-loaded and hard to match straight up. Hopefully if he’s offered one, he’ll share the numbers because he likes you and you’ve give him an equivalent deal shaped differently to get him to steer clear of signing the sheet. With or without outside influence, you should be able to give him a deal he’ll like that has a smaller 2012 cap number than the franchise tag of nearly $8 million.

    4. Find a way to lock up center Chris Myers and don’t worry about guard Mike Brisiel, who's not the same caliber and won't cost nearly as much, unless he can be had for cheap. While you’d like to keep both, Myers is a better player, who's more valuable and has a better injury history. He’s also more of a the leader of the group. You need him long-term to keep that great running game going. Antoine Caldwell can take over at right guard without major drop off. There is no obvious replacement for Myers on the roster, so they’d have to find one if you let him go.

  • Hey Coach.

    You were right about those golf clubs.

    I am finally hitting pretty good and my friend gave me his old driver.

    It was a titlist and was pretty good.

    Went from 280 to 300 or 320. Sad thing is..it was old and I broke it..

  • The 2012 season-opening NFL Kickoff game will be played on Wednesday, September 5 (NBC, 8:30 PM ET), Commissioner Roger Goodell announced Tuesday.

    The game will be played on Wednesday to avoid a conflict with President Barack Obama’s Thursday night speech at the Democratic National Convention.

    The Super Bowl XLVI-champion New York Giants will host the regular-season opener at MetLife Stadium. NBC will televise the game at 8:30 p.m. ET, with "NFL Kickoff 2012" beginning at 7:30 p.m. ET.

  • Defensive Back Break Down from Combine.


    We're not signing an FA safety or corner. Lovie just doesn't value those positions enough.

    However, he loves drafting them in the later round.

    A guy I heard the Bears were looking at was Notre Dame S Harrison Smith.

    He's got all the Lovie trade marks for a safety. 6'1, 213, 4.57 (40), fluid Instinctive, good character, white. However, he's moving up a lot of boards and might go in the 2nd. If we could get him in the 3rd, that'd be a steal.

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    Alright, on all this trade Forte nonsense...

    Remember fucking Thomas Jones?

    I realize the scenario is different, because we didn't trade TJones on draft day, but we did grab a young guy, thinking that TJones didn't have much left in the tank and wasn't worth keeping. A year later, we traded Jones for a Coney Island Hot Dog to free up room for the young stud draft pic with the great College pedigree, and he suuuuucckkkked. Was terrible. Thomas Jones was 1300 yards every season, so, not spectacular, but he was damn good. We traded him to play a young kid that we thought would be great, and we imploded.

    Now we have a guy who is great (pro bowl, 1,000 yards rushing in 12 games, and our best WR... c'mon) and you want to trade him for a couple of draft picks?

    This isn't news, but draft picks often blow. Rookies bust every year.There are no sure things in contact sports, because even vets get hurt, but that's why teams are allowed to cut them. No reason to get cute and trade away one of our best assets.

    And here's the thing about Super Bowl teams not having a good RB... That's not some genius fucking design! You think any of those teams wouldn't rather have a Matt Forte? If the Bears stay relatively healthy, and fix our WR problems, Matt Forte is the difference maker for us. We're better than Green Bay, Detroit, NY Giants... because we have true versatility..
    Not just, "You don't know which one of our WR's were throwing to" But, "Fuck you, we can score anyway we want to, and our Defense is good... bitch"

  • In reply to Jesse Lynn:

    Jesse, I'm liking you more and more. In a non-gay way, of course.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Great post Jesse. Canada, check this shit out. Buddy Guy looks like a 72 year old version of Lovie Smith. The Guy still has it going on. The album Skin Deep at 70 is amazing.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    Love Buddy Guy. It's a tossup between Buddy and B.B. who I've seen live the most. At least a dozen times for each of them. Buddy doesn't drink during his shows now so they are much better (saw him last year). When I used to book him his rider called for a fifth of Remy Martin and he wasn't leaving any of it behind. It's still in his rider but I think he takes it with him after the show. He's 75 and looks 20 years younger and acts 50 years younger. Plus he's really a nice person.

    Sadly B.B. is 86 and his memory is failing him. I've loved him since I was 13 but don't go to his shows now because it bums me out. I've met him once and he was very nice to me.

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    In reply to CanadaBear:

    You can like me in any way you want Canada... Just know that it willing only be reciprocated platonically!

  • In reply to Jesse Lynn:

    That's a relief!

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    He could be a hot babe with big titties. He sure ain't Dr. Martin Luther King, and that name is double ambiguous.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    That's what I like about you, Crunch - you're an optimist.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    No, it's simple deduction: fake male avatar, female porn star name, reasonable, polite, says stuff like "reciprocated platonically." He's built like Beyonce.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    Maybe it's really Johan Asiata. He had big boobies.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    Damn..what would happen if we assumed what everyone looked like?

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    In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    Crunch, that was pretty insightful. Sadly, I'm just another Nonathletic White Middle Class Male football fan, like we need more of those. Check the link, you guys are going to be sad...


  • In reply to Jesse Lynn:

    Maybe you could dress up, because you are my dream woman, Jesse Lynn, and I'm not into huge boobs anyway.

    Actually, I saw the reference to Kidron Music in your reply to Canada yesterday, and looked it up, so I knew. I would never risk insulting someone I truly believed to be a big breasted hottie by commenting on porn and hooters. I might have kept that bit about how you must be a woman because you're so reasonable, though. Ha.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    You're a sly one Crunch.

  • In reply to Jesse Lynn:

    I do agree about being versatile and about Thomas Jones.

    It's funny..people forget about that Herchel Walker trade.

  • In reply to Jesse Lynn:

    Absolutely spot on.

  • In reply to Jesse Lynn:

    Yep, yep, yep. Already on that bandwagon and have posted so more than once. Trading Forte for draft picks is daft.

  • In reply to Jesse Lynn:

    Green Bay won the SB last year, the Giants won it this year - so how are we better than them?

    Fair point on TJ/Benson - although what fan was ever behind that move? That was an Angelo special that nobody liked.

    You're right though, Forte is the difference maker for us. He's the difference between signing Colston and Mario Williams and getting extra draft picks to patch together the clustefucked roster Angela left us with.

    Again, for the umpteenth time, we were only suggesting this if we had Richardson on board. You trade Forte and maybe you have Richardson, Konz and a Keuchly or a Burfict. And still have seconds and thirds to use ... plus extra cash to sign a stud WR and the best available DE in the business.

    That's not crazy, that's sweet.

  • We have to be related. I always knew it.

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    Irish, I'm having fun commenting here with you and the guys. I've been reading Jeff's posts for 6 years, and though I rarely look at the comments, I recognize your name as one of the ones I've seen posting frequently for a while now.

    I'm happy that there are other people that want to talk football every day even though we are still weeks away from free agency and 57 days 16 hours 2 minutes and 12 seconds away from the draft.

    Irish, a respect you as a person and as a Bears fan. You're clearly passionate, and though you have different opinions than me, you're just as much entitled to them as I am mine, and together, with the other passionate Bears freaks out there, we are part of what make this team special.

    Now, I really hope you read this comment first, before any other comments I might make that mention you from here on out. Because from here on out, I'm going to talk to you like you are a dumb 7 year old girl. Because I think what you're saying is crazy and it's more fun to treat you this way. Trust me, it will always be "all in good fun" on my end. I love to debate this shit, and it's super boring to debate and argue with people that agree with me all the time.

  • In reply to Jesse Lynn:

    I believe I have just met my doppelganger.

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    Okay, first off...
    This is what I said...
    " If the Bears stay relatively healthy, and fix our WR problems, Matt Forte is the difference maker for us. We're better than Green Bay, Detroit, NY Giants... because we have true versatility.."

    And then this is what you said...
    "Green Bay won the SB last year, the Giants won it this year - so how are we better than them?"

    So, I guess the thing is, I'm talking about next year.

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    Okay, for some dumb reason I just went back and read every comment you posted here, to try to get a concrete understanding of your dream scenario for this offseason, so that I could put it in writing to try to see if you sounded less crazy if I punched it up into some cohesive plan...

    I did it, I'll post that in a minute, but after I'd already spent way too much time typing it up, I realized this is a stupider debate than I thought. You want to trade Forte, if Richardson is there at #19, to free up money for big time free agents like Mario.

    But that's super fucked up. Like, "time space continuum" fucked up.

    Free Agency is before the draft. By the time we wait to see who is there for us at #19, Mario and everybody else that really matters will already have their 2012 Pictures in their new jerseys.

    I "knew" that, but I can't believe I wasted so much time talking about this trade idea before I thought about how stupid it really was.

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    Here you go Irish, my gift to you, I tried to type up your dream scenario...

    Alright, you said this:
    "It would make plenty of sense if we got at least two seconds for him. Save cash, get more (hopefully) decent players."

    Also, as you said, we only do this if Richardson is there at 19. Which makes this a silly exhibition in Bears debate because this clearly won't be the case. But I'm up for it.

    But, Lets try to lay out your whole magical plan in one place, because it's been a real bitch for me to try to read every comment to put it all together, correct me where I'm wrong here. And, I'm vetoing your Stephen Hill love, because later you seemed only interested in Vet WR's, and opposed to early round WRs.

    1) We sign Colston to about Big Money deal. And Moss to a little money deal. Because, even though Forte is clearly past his prime, we think those guys can turn around the single most desperate position on our team by themselves. These two players can probably both be had for about 8 million dollars. So they are your financial alternative to keeping a franchised Forte.

    2) We go after Mario Williams Hard. We'd clearly pay him more than Peppers got, because, that's how the NFL works, and otherwise there's little reason to think he'd sign. Also, we are competing with teams that have a lot more money than us. But here, for the sake of your plan, let's say we get him for just a smidge more than Peppers got, let's say Cliff Stein, who is a cap genious, works his magic and we come out like this:
    6 years 94 million/ 45 guaranteed [14/15/15/16/17/17]

    By the way, if we go hard at Mario, and don't get him, it'll will be because somebody paid him significantely more than this, which means we could offer this to Avril, and maybe get him.

    We'd love to spend a decent amount of money on Kyle Orton as a backup, because, if Jay gets hurt, he's solid and reliable. But because he's a starting caliber QB for a hanful teams in this league, We can't afford him. We get David Garrard on a pretty good discount. We're broke.

    Free Agency Over.

    So, at 19 we take Richardson, we're shocked he's available, since he's a top 5 talent in this draft and the best RB prospect since RUN DMC. We immediately call Bill Devilcheck in New England and trade Forte for the both of the Patriots 2nd rounders. The 48th and 64th Picks.

    And then?

    You said if we trade Forte maybe we would have Richardson, Kons, and a Keuchly or a Burfict. But that's nowhere near likely. Kuechly will go in the teens, Hightower mid to late 1st, Konz late first, early second... None of these guys you really like are there for those pics except Burfict who will probably slide to our 1st 3rd round slot. Because he shows all the signs of a cancerous asshole who isn't mature enough to handle the NFL.

    I tried to use your comments to put together your dream scenario in a somewhat realistic manner, is this it?

  • In reply to Jesse Lynn:

    What's stupid is writing all that knowing Richardson won't be there at 19.

  • In reply to Jesse Lynn:

    So you were trying to frame my dream scenario ... in reality. No, it's just an if-then thing which we do on here quite often. If Forte was traded you don't know what we'd get for him, nobody does. Just as we don't know where people will get drafted. They're all just if-then scenarios.

    The reality is Forte gets signed, we get a FA WR and probably sign Mercilus. I don't see Emery paying for both Williams and Forte. Floyd will likely go higher than us, and Hill might be a reach at 19, so Emery takes the best player available.

    None of us has a crystal ball. All we have is dreaming.

  • In reply to Jesse Lynn:

    Let's see how good that defense is when Urlacher breaks his leg pre-season, and Peppers misses half the season because he's on his last legs anyway.

    Is Floyd going to answer our prayers and stop people keying on Forte? In year one ? What are the odds? We need a vet on board no matter what.

    We have zero depth and we need replacements. We need a vet QB. We need Kyle Orton, let's face it. We have two linebackers. We need a pass rusher, and if we get one we'll be fine at DB. How do you fix a patchy roster? You maximize the value of your depreciating assets while you can still sell 'em.

    Somebody mentioned what kind of message does it send to the players in the locker room?

    It's a business.

    Short and curlies, in order to bolster our roster we have to take a real long look at Matthew Forte.

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    Alright, then you let this nugget plop...

    "Let's see how good that defense is when Urlacher breaks his leg pre-season, and Peppers misses half the season because he's on his last legs anyway.

    So, your dream team of can't miss, surefire rookies, is going to win us the SB with no Urlacher and Peppers? But I'm crazy for trying to improve a few big problem areas from last year, keep the players that looked like pro-bowl difference makers, and try to Win the whole fucking thing in the next 800 days?

    It's not fucking time to rebuild! The 9-7 Giants won the Super Bowl last year! Granted, you may have been one of those downer fans that thought we were a shitty team all year, I'm not sure, but me and Jeff, and most football fans that I know, saw a team that was flawed, but dangerous. We knew that with Forte and Cutler, we had a chance to move the football on anybody. We knew that Forte was going to get us enough first downs to keep our aging defense from being on the field the whole fucking time... and we knew that our defense, as long as they weren't out there too long, was good.

    Now, that was without a good WR and without a second pass rushing DE.

    So what I'm saying is, take last years dangerous team, fix the WR position, in FA and in the Draft. Get a DE that loves to beat up QB's. And BOOM! Just those two things, I think we're not just dangerous, but certifiably fucking good.

    Plus, we can do more than just that, We have a solid amount of draft picks to use, and a solid amount of money to spend. Your talking as if we're some cash strapped team with no talent.

    Let's go "all in" on being fucking good now! Let's not get cute and sell off everything of value and hope we can magically recreate the luck that brought us those pieces to begin with. That's some 1997 Video Game shit right there. This is the real NFL, rookies don't all pan out.

  • In reply to Jesse Lynn:

    "So what I'm saying is, take last years dangerous team, fix the WR position, in FA and in the Draft. Get a DE that loves to beat up QB's."

    Eh, I've been saying that for a long time now. That's exactly my position. Hill would be nice, plus Marshall (not going to happen) or Colston ... and Mario Williams. Marshall costs us picks though, so Colston + Hill + Williams is do-able, even with signing Forte. Doesn't leave us with room to do anything else though, but I'd live with it.

  • In reply to Jesse Lynn:

    Who was suggesting a team full of rookies by the way? Not me.

    No I didn't think we were a shitty team last year, we just lost our franchise QB.

    The average age of Garza, Peanut, Lach, Briggsy and Peppers is ...Artoo, work it out there son ..... but it's over thirty. Take those players out of the equation and you are looking at a completely new team. You'd have Cutler/Forte and not much else to shout about. Urlacher has already just tipped his hat to retiring next year. The window is closing for this team and it's not even debatable.

    Can Emery build another team around Cutler? Maybe. But Urlacher and the old guys deserve a Lombardi. Peppers is wasted on his own - get Williams in there and a vet WR on the other side and we can do this.

  • They are all on the wrong side of 30. That is for sure.

    All right. It is all assuming but last year no one thought Ingram would fall to the Saints and they got a great player.

    No one needs to get their panties in a wad and have a period at that same time.

    We are not fools or stupid people just like I know you are not. You have logical reasons to keep Forte and we have logical reasons to trade. Simple as that.

    You would have more rookies but you would have more depth.. If we got a another first rounder and second rounder for Forte. We would have 2 first, 2 seconds, and 2 thirds. That thing called "Depth" is what killed us last year.

    If you trade Forte away, you can get a top dend and a top wr in free agency. Ohh you replaced him with a pretty good back "granted has not proved anything yet but a damn good running back" , you have a number one WR, and a Dend to compliment Peppers.

    The injury theory goes both ways. If our young rookies get hurt AKA Leshoure or if Peppers gets hurt.. we are done.

    Does that not sound good? I mean, if Richardson was not that good, I wouldn't be wasting our time. Did no one watch this guy this year?

    Ohh.. I could use this argument in another position.. say the Colts decided to give us their 1st round this year, their 1st round next year, and both the second round picks they have for Cutler. Would you do it or Would it happen? Personally? No. I like my qb. I think he can be great. He proved it to me during our first game at Detroit. I don't want to spare him..but someone would and that's ok. It's logical. It's a opinion. No need to call people out.

  • It's smoking crack, is what it is.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    A lot of people said the same thing about Manning. When its obvious he is better than Luck when healthy. Just opinions Mike. Not crack

  • I don't follow the Manning-Luck analogy.

  • Do you not remember back in the beginning of the season when people were crazy for saying the Colts would cut Manning?

    That they were on crack then?

    Time changes everything.

  • Not to sound docuche baggy but "Duh". I am just saying it's an opinion and opinions change over time. That is all amigo..that is all.

  • Finding out that he has serious persistent nerve injury that has affected his throwing motion has a tendency to change things.

    If we thought Forte's knee was in serious jeopardy of never regaining full extension, this would be a different conversation.

  • No way on Cutler. I was semi-hard on him after the initial boner from landing him, but I can see in retrospect he had shit around him and was in an insane system that did not allow him to change formations and do sensible things that everyone else gets to do and call audibles.

    I've waited for a guy like Cutler since Jimmy Mac and wouldn't trade him for anyone. That's a long time waiting. Since he got here I've also been waiting for a big ass receiver and the closest he got was Roy (who still might prove useful once Cutty is rolling-out again).

    That's all we're doing - throwing out opinions, right or wrong. I like the guys making our decisions now, for the first time in a long time and I'm really excited about what's coming up. Whoever we get I know Tice will do the smart thing and put them all in a position to get the best out of them. Same goes for Maranelli on D. I like his philosophy and if we get the pass rush going and the offense manages actual drives then it'll be all right on the night. Can't wait. September 5th. Six months.

  • Alex Marvez ‏ @alexmarvez Reply Retweeted Favorite · Open
    Bill Polian said #NotreDame WR Michael Floyd's 40-time really impressed him; he was "shocked" that #Baylor WR Kendall Wright ran a 4.61

  • http://www.nfl.com/combine/story/09000d5d82747096/article/claiborne-kirkpatrick-stand-out-in-final-day-at-combine?module=HP11_content_stream

  • Congratulations, Republicans. Looks like you've got yourselves a nominee.

    Here's a football-related Romney article for you: Ricky Williams & Mitt Romney.

  • Shit just got real.

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    What you talkin about Willis?

  • Forte-gets-signed scenario:

    Sign Colston + Burress(as opposed to Moss) + lower round WR. Draft Mercilus or Keuchly or whoever high. Best OL available in the second round.


    Burress had eight TDs last year off 45 receptions. 84% of them were first down receptions, and by my reckoning only 6 receivers had more TDs. Johnny Knox had 2 TDs off 37. Cost ? 3 million.

    Forte + Colston + Burress = $18M. We're currently $50M under cap with 39 players signed.

    Chris Spencer at $4.5M is looking like a huge waste of space.

  • Irish where do you get the $50 mil under the cap figure? Everything I read has us $20-$30 depending on last year's rollover. Also, I thought Spencer played very well at guard. You keep beating the drum for Konz when we have 2 and possibly 3 (E. Williams) capable centers on the roster. You still keep beating the drum for Burfict when he's become the most toxic draft pick in recent memory. I have to give you credit for being loyal. You rode the Mike Haas and Brandon Rideau trains to oblivion long after everyone else gave up. I do admire that quality in a person just don't agree with your player evaluations.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    I saw a post on WCG and posted the link on here I think, it was $50M with 39 players currently signed and under contract, not including likely signings such as Forte etc. I think people posting the 20-25M mark are assuming X, Y and Z get re-signed.

    I'll be honest Canada, I don't watch college ball so I've only got highlight reels to go on, so whether or not Konz is a good guy is going more on oscout evaluations. I know Edwin is a backup and Spencer was technically a center for the Seahawks although his pass-blocking was rated 30th out of 32 at one stage. Garza did surprisingly well for a guard playng a position like center - wouldn't it be nice to have an actual bona fide center though? Hilgenberg, Kreutz, a guy that plays his heart out for for ten years?

    Angelo seemed to have a problem with big receivers and took a stance against them. Rideau could have been good, but like Shabba he got shafted. Re-visit Aroma's highlight reel and tell me he wasn't semi-impressive. I'll never figure how we let him go. I never got the Knox love - if you're small/fast, you'd better catch the ball and run your routes.

  • Peyton Manning and Reggie Wayne signing as package?
    By Mark J. Miller

    Indianapolis Colts quarterback Peyton Manning isn't a free agent just yet, but it is still looking like he soon will be. SI.com reports that if the four-time NFL MVP ends up on the free-agent market, he could be offering himself up in a package deal with Colts wide receiver Reggie Wayne, who becomes a free agent on March 13.
    "At least two potential suitor teams would seriously consider" such a thing, Sports Illustrated reports. One source tells SI that Manning "would love to see it happen."
    SI also hears that Wayne, who spent a decade catching Manning's passes before the QB sat out last season with a neck injury, is "very interested in the combo platter also."
    Another thing SI has heard is that Colts receiver Pierre Garcon, who will also soon be a free agent, "turned down a five-year contract offer from Indianapolis last week," a sign that he "doesn't want to do anything until he knows what Manning is going to do."

  • Don't expect Wayne here if Peyton is still playing.

  • The trick for them is how much cash it will take to get both guys versus the teams that have a short term need for the dynamic duo.

    No one on Sirius thinks the Jets are in play after the Favre saga.

    That leaves only a couple of real landing destinations.

  • http://www.suntimes.com/sports/football/bears/10943697-606/illinois-whitney-mercilus-shooting-up-charts.html

    “I just have a knack for it,’’ Mercilus said. ‘‘I just time it up right. Throughout the game, I was able to watch the quarterback’s movements and just see him open up, then I just go in there and knock it away as soon as I could.”

    Mercilus’ 4.68 time in the 40-yard dash was fourth among defensive ends at the combine.

    ‘‘I have a good first step,’’ Mercilus said when asked what makes him a good pass rusher. ‘‘And I’m able to wear out players, too. I have a never-ending motor, and I keep going [in] the fourth quarter until somebody is dog-tired and take advantage of them.’’

  • Men among boys and he played in the SEC. If you don't wish this guy could play for us.. I need to study.


  • Happy Leap Day!


    3. Vontaze Burfict, ILB, Arizona State, 6-1 1/2, 248; new likely draft position: Third or fourth round. Burfict did not go through his full workout after reportedly pulling a hamstring on his second 40. His first 40 time of 5.10 did not help him; that is slow for a linebacker. Of greater concern: We heard from different NFL scouts about Burfict’s disappointing interviews with teams. The scouts said he blamed his struggles in 2011 on everyone but himself. Do not be shocked if his draft stock continues to fall as teams remove him from their boards because of maturity concerns.

    Happy Leap Day, Vontaze!

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    He cost himself millions. Punk.

  • not sure if it got posted yet..if so sorry..

    but this is from the WTF? File

  • In reply to lobotobear:


  • Just found out I'm traveling to Brown County, Wisconsin for work in a month.
    And guess what's in Brown County?

    Lambeau Field.
    I'm on the fence as to whether to bring my Bears jersey or not.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    MBP..while your there take a large dump on the 50 on the G logo!!!!


    p.s. leave a note to say "This is what you did in the playoffs"!!!

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    lol - my hotel is right across the street from Lambeau Field.

    The temptation is great. I'd like to make it out of there alive though.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    How far can you throw a bag of shit out the window?

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    I'll take "Questions that George McCaskey was asking himself this fall" for $300, Alex.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    DAMN!!! Nice one!

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Good one. The only bad thing about the firing of Martz and Angelo is it was over too quick. Hardly got to enjoy it.

  • I'll never see it your way, Huge's. I'm neither bold nor optimistic when it comes to tinkering with the Bears, not when they're this close to winning. Every prospect looks like a potential disaster to me. No matter how good they are, if they are unproven in the NFL, I mostly see risk.

    To trade a big part of a playoff bound Bears team for a college prospect, I would need more than a "guarantee" that the prospect is as good as the player traded. I would need to know that the change would not negatively alter the dynamic of the team. Even if Richardson is the better back, removing Forte from the mix could create unintended consequences.

    It's working. Don't fix it. Just patch it up a little, then get the fuck away before you fuck it up, Buttsteak.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:


  • No it's not. Can't you see that I can't be reasoned with? All I want is revenge on last year. I want to see the Bears pick up where they left off, minus the lead-weight that was Mike Martz, plus the best that Emery can add via free agency and the draft. Then I want to roll into Denver and kick the shit out of Tim Tebow and then piss on him.

    I don't think you are a crack smoking idiot, Artoo. I think you look at the pool of talent out there and see a huge opportunity for the Bears to improve. No doubt that opportunity exists, if Emery is willing to take the risk. Would I take it? Am I man enough to take it?

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    I've always been a closer..

  • How many 21 yr olds get GlenGarry Glen Ross references? What's wrong with you?

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    Throw a quote from Buffalo Nickel at him and stump the schwab.

  • Quailman ‏ @FQD1911 Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    going to take @mikecwright's advice and submit a writing sample to write for the Bulls for a blog. wonder where this will go.

    Wish FQ luck.

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  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Thanks Mike.

  • Why did they not have anything golf wise on there..smh

  • If my wife wouldn't kill me, I'd use it on that pub sofa.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Dude..did not think about that.. Shit..a new big couch half off?

  • Exactly. Other than the fact that shipping it to Virginia would be upwards of $200...

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