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Brad Biggs Breaks Down the Bears Salary Cap Situation

Brad Biggs Breaks Down the Bears Salary Cap Situation

Biggs is the best Bears writer of this generation and he does the leg work on the Bears cap many of you have been asking for. There is little commentary warranted or needed except to say the Bears are in a wonderful financial situation heading into the 2012 offseason. They can have exactly what they want. But will they seize it?

Here is the text of Biggs' piece. To read his position-by-position breakdown, CLICK HERE.

The NFL shopping season begins three weeks from Tuesday when free agency opens on March 13.

The Chicago Bears will have the room to be as aggressive as they want in the marketplace but it remains to be seen how new general manager Phil Emery wants to handle business in what will be the first defining moves of his tenure.

Emery said at his introductory press conference that his vision is to build through the draft, not surprising considering his background as a college scouting director and area scout. That was long the approach of his predecessor Jerry Angelo before a string of bad drafts caught up to the organization and he was forced to fill many holes via free agency and other avenues.

The Bears, coming off an 8-8 season, are in a situation where they need to win now to enhance the future of coach Lovie Smith, who is signed through 2013. Team president Ted Phillips spoke about closing the talent gap between the Bears and division foes Green Bay and Detroit and free agency is the first vehicle that can be used to achieve that goal.

The Bears project to have more than $20 million in salary cap room. But by rolling over unused salary cap from 2011, the club can push that figure north of $25 million, far and away the most of any team in the division. One league source speculated it could be as much as $28 million. The exact figure is constantly in flux and remember room needs to be carved out for draft picks. The Bears are far from the reported $67 million in cap space the Tampa Bay Buccaneers have but as one general manager said last season it’s no longer the cap that defines the NFL but cash. It comes down to what teams want to budget for their players.

With that in mind, let’s take a look at what the Bears have right now in the way of salary cap figures for individual players for the coming season.

Here are the team’s top five cap figures for 2012, according to documents acquired by the Tribune:

1. DE Julius Peppers $12,183,333

2. LB Brian Urlacher $9,700,000

3. QB Jay Cutler $9,600,000

4. CB Charles Tillman $7,966,670

5. LB Lance Briggs $5,996,666

There are some notes to consider when looking at the Bears’ cap:

*For starters, Tillman’s number is so large because it includes $3 million is in the form of a special teams incentive he will not receive. It's considered a likely to be earned incentive which counts toward the 2012 cap, but would provide a cap credit for 2013. It fluffs the real value of the deal for an agent and builds in cap credits for the club. If the Bears really wanted to free even more space, they could remove the credit with a renegotiated deal.

*It’s not surprising that four of the top five players are on defense. That is where the Bears have typically invested most. The team has $15,696,666 committed to Pro Bowl linebackers Brian Urlacher and Lance Briggs. That projects to be almost 13.1 percent of the non-adjusted cap for 2012, which is expected to come in around $120 million.

*The Bears are not carrying a lot of dead cap space. Tight end Brandon Manumaleuna, running back Chester Taylor and wide receiver Sam Hurd combine to count $3.1 million vs. the 2012 cap, really a small amount in the big picture.

*The bottom line is Emery is inherited an advantageous position from a cap standpoint. It’s the cap equivalent of a clean slate and he can do with it as he wants.

Nice work, Brad.

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  • Max Komar?
    Who the fuck is that?

  • And do we have enough offensive linemen under contract for next year?

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    you can never have enough olinemen under contract... especially good ones.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    We have good ones?

    Just kidding. Sort of. But not really.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    no, we don't rabbit.... that was kinda my point.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I know, I know...

  • A few question I have.

    1) What's the story on Chris Williams' contract this year? He'll be a free agent in 2013, but for 2012 he has a roughly $1.25 million contract (probably about right). But... it looks like has another $2.125 million playing time incentive built in to the final year (this year) of his contract. Can we renegotiate with Williams to get rid of that bonus? Have him take the same $1.25 million ($250K is a workout bonus), and drop the bonus in favor of a 1-2 year extension at roughly the same $1.25 million per year?

    2) Anyone know where the minimum salaries are per seniority? Does position factor in to that number? I have trouble understanding how rich some of the smaller contracts are because I don't know how far they are above the minimum. Chris Williams is a good example, so are Izzy and Steltz.

    3) Do we really take a cap hit for Sam Hurd? Are we getting any compensatory picks for that disaster?

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    lovie gets free weed for a year.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Lovie on weed would be a candidate to have one of those bell thingies installed in his casket, like the Victorians used to do.

  • 3. Janoris Jenkins, North Alabama: Jenkins enters the NFL Scouting Combine as a potential character risk due to his dismissal from Florida after a series of marijuana-related offenses. While he has appeared to walk the straight and narrow during his time at North Alabama, Jenkins will face intense questioning from team officials regarding his mishaps as a Gator. If he can handle the scrutiny without losing his cool or misleading evaluators, Jenkins could salvage his chances of coming off the board in the first round. There wasn't any doubt about his talent and potential at the Senior Bowl, but he needs to convince scouts that his mistakes are a thing of the past to remain in play on draft boards across the league.

    Good fits: Cincinnati Bengals, Washington Redskins and Chicago Bears.

    3. George Iloka, Boise State: Scouts covet big, athletic defenders in the secondary, and Iloka has created a stir in scouting circles with his rare combination of size, speed and agility. At 6-foot-3, 216 pounds, Iloka offers the physical presence defensive coordinators desire in the middle of the field. In addition, he brings cornerback experience to the table after spending the final three games of his career playing on the outside. Given an opportunity to put his impressive talents on display in front of evaluators at the combine, Iloka could experience a meteoric rise up the charts following his four-day visit in Indianapolis.

    Good fits: Chicago Bears, Cincinnati Bengals and St. Louis Rams.

    Sleeper to watch: Janzen Jackson, McNeese State. Jackson's dismissal from Tennessee will prompt some teams to remove his name from their draft board as a potential character risk. Jackson's string of run-ins with the law and team officials will lead to intense discussions in interview rooms at the NFL Scouting Combine. How well he answers difficult questions in those intense settings could determine whether teams give Jackson a legitimate shot to display his outstanding talent and athleticism next season. He will certainly rate among the best performers at the event, but his ability to sell his character will ultimately determine his fate on draft day.

    Good fits: New York Jets, Chicago Bears and Dallas Cowboys.

  • http://www.nfl.com/combine/story/09000d5d827195f2/article/cornerbacks-safeties-at-a-premium-with-nfls-aerial-explosion?module=HP11_cp

  • Janzen Jackson is a bad ass name. I'm for 'em.

  • Here you go NB:

    "*The Bears are not carrying a lot of dead cap space. Tight end Brandon Manumaleuna, running back Chester Taylor and wide receiver Sam Hurd combine to count $3.1 million vs. the 2012 cap, really a small amount in the big picture."

    Man, we're going to be feeling the effects of that POS angelo for years still. What a total waste of a GM. 11 fucking years... jesus.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Sigh... You will be saying this in 2015 when Conte finally gets cut.

    "Jerryy....why must you still haunt my dreams..?"

  • 100% erik. pisses me off we kept that piece of sheite around so long. As you know, Irish correctly calls him the cancer of this franchise. Eating it away from the inside out.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    That was the quote that prompted my question. Hurd's guaranteed money follows us around even though he's sitting in prison somewhere. Do we at least get a compensatory pick or something?

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    yep, looks that way. I don't think we get squat.

    Same thing with the kid who died. Just shitty luck for everyone involved.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    Why would we get a compensatory pick for picking a player/drug dealer?

    Do we have rules for that?

  • Uh, I'm with Erik; why would the league give us compensation for losing Hurd for 20-to-life for slinging yayo?

  • I cannot figure out what Emery will do.

    That's a good thing. Usually every year we all knew who or what position we would draft. We also had a pretty good amount of guesses about FA that were right.

    Do you see Emery going after Mario Williams and building the offense through the draft? Do you see Emery going after V. Jackson and building the defense through the draft? Is it possible to do both? Idk.

    This year is going to different and that's all I got right now.

  • that's called hope erik... the very thing that was snatched from our hearts every year by that imbecile angelo.

    That tingly feeling all over... it's hope my boy, it's hope for a future filled with trophies and titles. Enjoy it now, cause like you said... who knows what's going to happen.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I thought it was just pride fucking with me.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Easy Butch.

  • I hope ...

    He goes FA with Mario and high draft pick on D (Burfict?).

    He goes FA WR and lower draft pick on WR (Stephen Hill) with higher draft pick on OL

  • I can't figure out why Cutler keeps talking about how good Marshall.

    Is he really lobbying for him or is it just false hope?

    Getting ridiculous now.

  • They had a good thing going, makes sense he'd want to hook up. Clearly he's worried they'll draft some fucktard who may never learn the playbook a la Johnny Knox, or they'll sign another hobbit. He probably doesn't like V-Jax and Burress is too old. It's Marshall or Colston for us.M according to Our Boy Roy, because he got his up-front money. If it costs the Dolphins 9M to franchise him that's got nothing to do with us. He'd cost us 6M (plus picks/player)

    Somebody was throwing the 9M figure around on Marshall - it's 6

  • Backup QB possibilities:
    David Garrard
    Drew Stanton
    Chad Henne
    Josh McCown

    All 4 can be had for $1 million or less, so there's no serious impact on the cap. None of the 4 is going to be fighting for a chance to start (possibly except Henne), but all 4 have shown they can be game managers that can move the offense against a weak D. That's all you can ask for from a backup QB.

    I don't list Flynn, Orton, Campbell, or Smith because they will all be looking to start somewhere, or at least for the chance to compete. I don't list Josh Johnson because I just don't think he fits what we do scheme-wise.

    If we pick up 1 of these guys, I feel somewhat secure. If we pick up 2, I know Enderle is a bust, but I feel properly secure. I think a Cutler/Garrard/Stanton QB group would be really solid going into 2012 and probably 2013 as well. By that time, we can spend a draft pick on the next project.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    agree on your picks NB. garrard was top of my list too, although I'd love to steel batch away from pits (btw, did you see how I did that lobo?)

    Ender is already bust, sadly.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I never would have saw that till you said to look. Nice.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I'm honestly on the fence between Garrard and Stanton. Garrard seems to be considered the best fit for our system (whatever that turns out to be), but Stanton comes from a division rival and will probably have a lot of good insight to share. Like I said, I'd feel properly secure if we pick up both, but I'd also be fine with a Cutler/Stanton/McCown group as well.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    sure, anyone that's already established as a proven back up will work in all honestly... and that isn't caleb hanie and enderle

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    busted

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    Henne for me, or get Rosenfels into a deal somewhere. Or both ... why not?

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    I don't see Garrad expecting to be a backup.

  • the bears still suck

  • In reply to thebigcheese:

    You're still clever.

  • 1. MBHAP - I've only played three courses in Omaha... Shit is expensive out here. In Tucson, with all the old folks and the hot summers, you could play a course that costs $200 in October for $20 in July. Most of my golfing was done there. Public courses were $8 after 3PM, free cart and hot dog at the turn... I never even knew what a "cart fee" was until I came to NE. They ALL come with carts in AZ. My company has a league at Eagle Hills, so I've played that shithole 100 times. Played Johnny Goodman once, and played Miracle Hills once. I really want to play the country club @ Pacific and like 96th... and the one right by Parliament... Any recommendations?

    2. I convinced the wife to let us buy a PS3 for our blu ray player (score 1 for Willy). I had to pick up Twisted Metal as my game, because, well, I love me some Twisted Metal. I'm about a month out from joining you fucks in some good ol' murder... but I do hate MW. By the way, the fucking PS3 comes with RCA cables!~!?~! That's some bullshit. Can I plug in a generic HDMI into the back of that thing?

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    I used to play Pacific Hills a lot as well as Tregaron (which is my personal favorite in the area). Pacific Hills is generally in good shape and I like the layout. Plus, for you, it's a straight shot up Pacific.
    Tregaron, you can get on for under 25 bucks, including cart, pretty frequently if you use GolfNow to get your tee times. The only rough part is it is in Bellevue - however, it is right off of the highway, so it's a quick drive (maybe 20-25 minutes tops).

    I think Johnny Goodman is OK as far as the price goes.
    Tiburon is generally OK, but there is one hole in particular that has large power lines running the length of the hole. However, they have three nine-hole courses, so you don't have to play it if you don't want to.

    Iron Horse is nice but has some really annoying holes and I don't know if they've kept it up as they had soil issues.

    My absolute favorite course when I could make it out there is:
    Quarry Oaks.
    Beautiful course for Nebraska.

    Anyway, I haven't messed with the PS3 cords in 10 months, but I'm sure it's just a standard HDMI.

  • I see really one glaring problem with our cap after reading the whole article: Frank Omiyale. He's due $2.8 million in 2012. How much of that can we get back if we cut him or restructure? I'd bring him to camp for the veteran minimum (<$1 million) but no more. Likely he'll get cut either way, even if its just for the roster space.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    I was going to bitch about that, but you beat me to it. What a waste of money.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    And Spencer is into us for 4.5 big ones. That's a lot of cheese when you consider Garza is getting 1.8M.

  • http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/nfl/39954/59/the-2012-wide-receiver-market

    Bowe is still my personal first choice, but its looking like he'll be franchised. VJax and Lloyd both scare me with the character issues. I'm leaning toward Colsten plus looking for WRs with two of our first four picks (not neccesarily in round 1 if there's an early run by other teams).

    I also have to wonder what it would take to trade up for Blackmon. Probably too much, but its interesting to think about.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    If all of that goes down. We better go after Marshall.

  • I actually had the same thought reading the article. Going after Marshall gets us some cap space too since he'll cost roughly the franchise tag price (a bit over $9 million).

    Have to wonder if Emery has already picked up the phone. What would Miami want? Briggs? Hester? 19th pick in the draft? Hard to say.

    What if we traded our first for their second rounder (so we'd be out of the first round, but have two 2nds and two 3rds). What else would we need to offer to get Marshall?

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    I am going on record. Do not trade your first for Marshall. Unless they are giving us three second rounders and him.

    Trade your second round pick for Marshall and possibly one more second next year or a third next year. If we cannot get anyone to come to Chicago in FA.

    I don't believe he is worth two second round picks and that Miami can be bought for just one if we talk them into it.

    1st Best case scenario they take to 3rd rounders for him.

    2nd Best case scenario they take a 3rd rounder and Hester.

    3rd Best case scenario they take a 3rd rounder and Brigss.
    (I would rather keep Briggs but if we can't buy a nice WR in FA then I feel more comfortable drafting a young LB over a young WR)

    Another Idea to toy with, giving up a first for Wallace. Young. legit, and requires double teams. He would be automatically worth giving a first up for if we cannot get in on the WR in FA.

    This is why I am so damn curious to what Emery will do.

    If we can't get players in FA you have to get them through the draft. Would you rather build offensively through the draft now and pick up Mario Williams now? Or go the exact opposite and draft defensively and pick up a Legit Wide Receiver?

  • I think its also very possible that Emery will sell out and use a lot of cap space plus the first round pick on the same side of the ball. E.g.

    1) Draft Jeffery and a guard and pick up VJax.
    2) Draft Burfict and a corner and pick up Mario.

    But if I had my choice, I would say ideally we get a #1 reciever in FA and draft another reciever in round 3. Use the round one pick for Konz. Round 2 and the other 3 for value on D.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    Burfict, cornerback, MW, and Marshall.

    That's all I ask for.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    Jeffery has some issues that made me think draft him twice till watch him in the combine (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/risersandfallers) I´m still thinking bears must draft the best aviable DL or OL aviable in first round and the rest however u want (remember the giants) and of course Mario in FA.

  • I wouldn't be happy giving up Hester the returner or Briggsy. Addition by subtraction, to paraphrase Trac.

    As long as Mario is on board, I'm happy. A tall vet WR obviously puts us over the top and firing on all cylinders though. Would be kind of nice to find Stephen Hill in the 3rd after drafting Konz and say a corner or a LB ....

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    I think Marshall would only cost us 6M, and before the pro bowl I would have thought two 3rd rd picks - that might be 2 x 2nd rd picks now.

  • I hate that a meaningless game where the corners aren't playing and the defense is not even trying to presssure the quarterback could make someones stock rise higher. I think the Pro-Bowl is meaningless and would hope Emery doesn't put much stock in it either. 2 second rounders is too much to give up for Marshall.

  • I honestly would rather draft anything on defense, oline, or a running back in the first before I draft a wideout who's name is not Blackmon. Let me make the clear. Justin Blackmon, knowing my luck there would be another WR named Blackmon.

    Anyways, I agree with those ideas but do you really draft a WR after you pick up a number one? You have Earl, Stud wideout, and a rookie? When we need obvious help at LB,DE,SS-FS, or you could say on the line. Unless it is a playmaker, we need to draft some our needs.

    Nah, sames goes for the other scenario. If we pick up Mario do we really draft a LB when we still have no stud WR?

    Do you see what I mean? It's all connected but what ever goes down in FA will determine a lot.

    If we pay a lot on the D's side of the ball in FA expect us to fill O's side with some draft choices and vice versa.

    There has to be a balance before you deplete one side of all the talent. A lot of our Draft picks and FA's money has gone to one side. Thus, besides Jerry's bad luck at drafting, the Defense looks a lot better than our offense and our defense is old.

    Tice has said that we are looking for a playmaker or someone who wins his one on one matchups more often than not. McCaskey said "money is not a problem." Yet it will be because the number ones will be asking way too much and will be franchised.

    GO GET MARSHALL.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    Trading Hester to get Marshall is a horrible idea.

    There is enough frustration watching the Bears as it is - giving up that tense excitement of a Hester return for the agony of watching a bookend for Roy Williams drop passes also would not do me any good.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    Absolutely agree with you there.

  • Blackmon is only 6'1 - I don't think Cutty would be happy we shoot ourselves int he foot trading up to get a 6'1 receiver, especially when they don't grade out anywhere close to elite. At this point, Blackmon was a good college receiver. Nothing else is guaranteed. We'll be fine as long as we don't fall into the 1st rd WR trap.

  • If any Bears brethren want to hear some good live streaming blues music at the White House, here's the link. Started at 6:20 Central time.
    http://www.whitehouse.gov/live

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    Oh yeah. Thanks. I wish I'd have seen your post earlier.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    PBS taped the concert for broadcast on Monday, February 27th.

    Here's a clip from the live stream: Tedeschi, Trucks, Haynes, and Booker T. Jones doing "I'd Rather Go Blind."

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvtmEvXL1uw

    If there's anybody who hasn't seen it, here's the clip of Obama singing "Sweet Home Chicago":

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvtmEvXL1uw

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    Oops. The link to "Sweet Home Chicago" is:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhO1DnNKYbo

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    Crunch, had the pleasure of hanging out with most of the Tedeschi Trucks band after a show this summer. It was pretty much just them and some of my friends for about 3 hours of partying. Susan hung with us most of the night. Her and Oteil Burbidge were both a blast. At last call, me and her each did three shots of Jameson and slammed a beer. They invited us to their party room after bar time, but we were all pretty wasted. It was pretty crazy at times, but I won't put that stuff online. It was a very cool experience. She sent me an email afterwards, and played a song for me at a show about a week later which I thought was really cool. Very memorable experience.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    Nice. I'm curious what song she played, but I won't pry. See how I did that?

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    She played Until You Remember.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmwkRRjH5ZY
    Couldn't make the second show at the Minnesota Zoo and hear this song because a good friend was having complications from chemo. She was in the hospital for five days before the show, got out for the show, partied like a rock star, and then I had to take her back to the hospital. All good now. Susan played this song the next week in Milwaukee.
    Here's the first song at the Zoo. Fifth row, dead center amongst the tapers, above the band. Incredible wall of sound and view. It was better than most front row seats because we were above the band and could see everything.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaUypNTYAhg

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    I'm a Warren Haynes junkie, and seen the Warren Haynes Band about a month later 1st row dead center in Madison and the next night in Minneapolis. The Tedeschi Trucks show at the Zoo was better, followed by the Warren show in Madison.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    Good for your friend. I know someone who lost that battle this winter.

    Great videos. If you ever come across a Tedeschi/Trucks cover of Me and Bobby McGee, please post it. I don't know if they've ever done it, but I sure would like to hear it if they do.

  • https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/02/21/2011-pass-blocking-efficiency-guards-and-centers/

    Good and bad.

  • Konz still looks like a solid first round choice. Although worth noting that Moffitt was in the bottom group of guards (along with a lot of other promising rookies to be fair), likewise Pouncey at center.

    Garza needs to shift back over to guard where he can play his best.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    I don't think we can miss with Konz. He gives us depth and a future starter for ten years. Or we start him now and cut Spencer and his 4.5M. Edwin can backup Konz and we can let Garza, CW and Louis compete for the guard spots.

  • Irish, bears can manage to live without Konz, and the interior OL. the damn problem is LT.

  • In reply to elcaney:

    I agree wholeheartedly. Center is not a huge priority right now. We have a pretty good set of players on the interior. It's depth at Tackle that has me a little jittery, although I am a little more optimistic than most that either Webb is a long-term solution, or Tice will replace him with one prior to the season.

  • In reply to elcaney:

    Scenario : Garza goes down. Our backup is playing RG. Garza's career is just about finished anyway (plus he's not really a center!) and we have no young future stud in the wings being mentored. Ditto in behind Urlacher. We can sign a left tackle like Demetrius Bell, we can't sign a center - there aren't any out there.

  • When do people think we should draft Kreutz and Urlacher's replacements ? When Garza or Urlacher breaks their legs? After the fact ?

  • Garza IS Kreutz's replacement. And if he gets hurt, the next man would be Spencer, and then probably Louis.. The interior of the line is fine. In fact, for run blocking, it was pretty damn good.
    If you want this team to win now, then you can't be drafting for backup depth at Center in the first round; it doesn't make any sense. And I don't care how good Kontz is, he's not stepping in as a rookie and replacing Garza at C. It will not happen. Cutler would fucking strangle somebody.

  • Ooh, Brad Biggs. Can he make FA get here faster? Then he's just as boring and repetitive as the rest of us. Fuck that fat hack. Fuck him up his fat ass.

  • With cap space looking so good open up the wallet in free agency for a big time receiver and find some of the other pieces in the draft. With Emery's background I don't see him trading these picks for Marshall or anyone else.

  • Don't forget. This IS the last time teams can "Go on the cheap".
    They don't HAVE to be at 99% of the cap until NEXT season.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Seems to me we've been "going on the cheap" far to long. We aren't a small market team. That would be UNACCEPTABLE with the core we already have.

  • I read this blurb on Thomas Jones two years as a Bear:

    He ended up rushing 850 times for 3,493 yards and 22 touchdowns. His average per carry was 4.1 yards.

    That's an AVERAGE of 26.5 carries a game. Can that be right? That seems very high.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I left out playoff games and the Super Bowl, which would drop the average somewhat, but those are workhorse numbers.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    He was a Bear for 3 years but still pretty stellar #'s. Fuck Cedric Benson and the guy who drafted him!!!!

  • Frank Omiyale $2,800,000

    WHAT.

  • Why would we need any changes on the OL?

    https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/02/22/ranking-the-2011-offensive-lines-part-1/

    32. Chicago Bears (31st)

    Run Rank 31st, Pass Rank 31st, Penalties Rank 25th

    Does this really surprise anyone? The Bears at least attempted to rectify their horrible offensive line by drafting Gabe Carimi, only for the tackle to manage 100 snaps before a dislocated knee ended his year. It left them with a group of individuals who struggle to get much push in the run game, and aren’t much better in pass protection. You’d struggle to find a line that performed as badly as the Bears over the years.

    Best Player: By default, this was Edwin Williams (+0.5), though this is more of a reflection on the rest of the line which amassed a combined -116.1 grade.

    Worst Player: Take your pick. J’Marcus Webb (-26.2) was a failure on the left side, but even he was outdone by Lance Louis (-35.6). Louis should never have moved out to tackle and it really showed down the stretch; in no game more so than when he gave up five sacks to a Chiefs defense that simply destroyed him.

  • How is our run game that bad and yet we produced over 2000 yards rushing?

  • That's what I'm wondering.

    Forte and Barber and Bell aren't all elite. Our Oline seemed to run block well to me.

    However, they all struggled at pass blocking, which may be due to Martz' 7 step drops or Hanie holding onto the ball like it was his baby.

    Also, Irish, this should put an end to your "Lance Louis for LT" campaign. He may not even beat out Spencer at RG.

  • I cannot imagine Louis will get reps at LT myself.
    Alot of this will be interesting to see play out in training camp, and as we find out if Carimi is back to full-speed.

  • What? Because of some list containing a guy who couldn't play properly because he was injured? No. You don't go from being a good player to being a bad one unless something's very wrong. He'll look like a pro-bowler enxt year and everyone will be back on the band-wagon. If he doesn't get tried out at LT then it's because he's 6'3 not because he can't play. Webb can't protect either, but what the hey ...

  • Thanks for putting this out here. It does amaze me all the attention on WRs when the line is still the #1 problem. Not to say we don't need one, but we need an OLine more.

  • Aer we grading Lance Louis based on the games where he was clearly injured and not able to do himself justice? Really?

    Would you walk up to Usain Bolt, kick him square in the balls and then pull out your stopwatch, "Okay, let's see what you got?"

  • http://www.csnchicago.com/blog/bears-talk/post/Pack-backing-up-to-the-NFC-North?blockID=655280&feedID=10330

    Uh oh

  • Gb will resign their PB center Wells and Finley.

    Best case scenario is that they lose both. I wonder how much Wells is demanding? Usually Olinemen aren't greedy, so either he wants to break the bank, or GB is being cheap and overconfident in their drafting and development.

    Finley is going to get franchised, esp if it only cost GB 5 mil. If they let Finley walk, that might be a big red flag for other teams.

    If GB loses both, that would set them back a bit as they would have to use the draft to fill those positions. So that late first round pick might go to TE Orson Charles instead of upgrading their horrible D.

  • So, who is this year's Christian Ponder?

  • Why are people still talking about us picking up Mario Williams? Do people (Irish) really believe that there is even a 5% chance of that happening? Please, share the crack with the coach!

  • Emery is, however, looking to pick up Mario Batali to make stromboli for the coaches.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    GP..I'm in for that..I'm hungry. yum................ssssttttrrrrooommmbbbooollliii.......

  • Here are the plain facts. Forget Jeff's arbitrary figures up above re salary cap. We have $50 million in cap space with 39 players currently signed. That's the situation, not $28M or whatever in the near future, maybe. $50M as of right now.

    If Houston try to franchise Williams *again*, they have to pay him a whopping $22 million. They must also sign Calais, ergo they haven't got much choice but to let Williams walk or they're going to have 1/5 of their cap tied up in one player.

    Result? He goes to a team that .....

    1. Has a chance of going to the SB and has players like Julius Peppers (ensuring he can't be doubled and tripled on every play).
    2. Has money to play with.
    3. Has a HC like Lovie and a DC/teacher like Maranelli.

    I'd say we're top of his list.

  • To be honest his list is more like

    Houston
    Patriots
    Bears

    He once to win a superbowl

  • Lord forgive me for typing once instead of wants. Smh.. time to slow down and reread what I type

  • Going back to previous posts, I don't understand why some fans don't value Forte as an elite back in the NFL. The guy has gotten better each year. He played an entire season injured and didn't say a word about it until after the season. He missed 4.9 games this year, probably could have came back if the Bears were making a playoff run. Before the injury, he was on pace to lead the entire league in yards from scrimmage, ahead of Ray Rice and Maurice JD. The only guy who was more productive was Arian Foster, who missed three games. He was on pace to have over 2,100 yards from scrimmage. He averaged 4.9 yards per carry, second only to Reggie Bush for a back with over 200 carries. He averaged 9.4 yards per reception, probably the best in the league among running backs. OK, he's not a short yardage up the middle type back. Big deal. That's what role players like Barber are for. I would put him in the elite category and say he's the best back we've had since Sweetness.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    Forte is awesome, but the HB position has been massively devalued due to the new NFL rules Fifth.

    Just look at the draft. This year, maybe ONE HB will be drafted in the 1st. Last year, the best one (Ingram) got drafted at 28, after nearly every other position.

    Arian Foster was UNDRAFTED. Rice and Forte were both 2nd rounders.

    All this feeds into the new perception that they are easily replacable, and thus, shouldn't be paid as much as other positions.

    It all depends on what Forte is demanding. Do you think that Forte is as good a HB as AP and C. Johnson? If so, the Bears would have to pay him like them (roughly 10 mil per year).

    Let's say Trent Richardson does fall to us at 19. If we sign him, he would sign an 8mil, 4 year contract, approx 2 mil per year, going younger at the position, while saving 6 mil/yr for other players (Cutler, Urlacher, Briggs, name an FA).

    If Forte is a bit more reasonable, then maybe he'd want a contract closer to what Williams recieved (which by all accounts was way overblown), but no one knows exactly what Forte is demanding.

    But if TWO GMs decide not to resign Forte for what he is demanding, then maybe it's too much and not in the best long term interest of the team.

    Just my 2 pesos.

  • You're both right. I think Matt Forte is in the top 5 backs in the NFL. The fact that a lot of his value comes from pass-catching, IMHO, probably makes him more valuable to the team rather than less given the new rules.

    The fact that he struggles in up the gut situations is a fair criticism (and probably why we don't call him #1 in the league), but the guy made up a huge percentage of our offense in the first half of the season. Jeff posted about that more than once, which is why I'm surprised now how turned off he's become.

    But, RBs are fragile, RBs have had a lot of successful deep draft guys lately, and RBs tend to underperform once paid. All of that transaltes to healthy caution for any team. But Forte should get paid, its that simple.

    I would take Forte over AP on the Bears. Period.

    CJ2K is a tougher one, but I think we can get away paying less than Johnson is getting.

    Arian Foster is also a tougher one, but again Forte is right there in that conversation.

    Give him a contract where he makes close to the salary cap this year ($7.5 M) and then a bit less the next two years ($6 M) and then back upwards again the last two years ($7 M and $8 M). If that's where the Bears are at and Forte is saying no, then I have to agree with the Bears.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    People make a lot about the fact that he was 38% of our offense or whatever. Remember, that's because we had no offense, certainly no receivers/passign game. It was by default that he was most of our offense, not because he was another Walter Payton. Which he isn't.

    A.N. Other would have carried 38% of our offense.

  • Actually, I would bet that his most productive games came when Cutty was healthy and we had a pretty dangerous passing game, i.e. the first half of the season.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Aaaaaand, I was right - he was much more involved in the offense up until week 9 or 10.

  • But again, if it's so easy to replace Forte, then why on earth is anyone else going to give us a first or even high second rounder for him?
    You don't let a Pro Bowl running back go for a guy that hasn't played a single snap in even an NFL training camp yet.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Depends on what you get for him. Remember Herschel Walker?

  • No one will trade a first for Forte..

    The only team that would and we would be even bigger idiots than the Herschel Walker trade, is the Packers.

  • I'm saying, I don't think we would get 1/10th of the Herschel Walker trade.
    Forte's greatest value is to us, and he's absolutely worth the franchise tag.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    If a team has a late 1st rounder and they desperately needed a HB, they would.

    My scenario is pretty specific.

    1) Deal Forte ONLY if Trent Richardson is on the board. No one's "certain" but he grades more highly than Blackmon in some mocks.
    2) If Richardson is on the clock, we have 10 minutes to swing a deal to trade Forte for a late 1st (Bengals need a HB and have #22, and a few other teams might be interested)

    The Pats have pick #31 (Practically a 2nd) and Ben Jarvis Ben Ellis is an FA. They need a HB - they have the cash - and it's a pretty late pick, which is not bad to get a ProBowler.

    We can then use that pick to draft a fallen WR. Heck, Floyd might even be there at #31, or Jeffries/Sanu.

    I know the Pats don't like trading picks for players, but it's a win/win for both organization. You don't think Pat fans would be super excited to get Forte with pick #31 instead of some low graded linemen?

  • Let's assume Trent Richardson would be equal to Forte (which means in the top 5 in yards from scrimmage among running backs in the league). If we take Richardson at 19 and trade Forte for 27 or so, then essentially what you are suggesting is that down 8 spots in the first round in exchange for roughly $5 million in cap space. That doesn't sound like a good trade at all given we're already $28 million under the cap.

    Factor in the risk inherent in any rookie deal, and I'd say that's an extremely weak plan.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    I didn't see anybody diss Forte - talking turkey is a different matter.

    Ability wise no question he's top 5. If we want room for a guy like Mario Williams, you have to look at ither guys on the team who are making the moolah. Peanut, Peppers, Lac and Forte. Lac is untouchable. Peppers you have to keep if you're getting Mario, otherwise he just gets taken out of the equation in terms of game-planning. I don't think we have the depth to deal Peanut.

    So that leaves Forte to talk about.

    2 cents-worth. The best back since Sweetness was the guy that replaced him. Stats schmats Anderson was hands down better than Forte, worst case - at least as good as Forte.

  • Give Forte two more years, and I think you'll agree with me.

  • There are guys on the team that don't even start that are making 9 times what Forte made this season.
    Starting with him as a salary cap casualty is silly.

  • Neal Anderson continues as one of the Bears most underrated players. But I think Forte is certainly comparable, so I'll agree with your last comment, and Fifth's re: the longevity difference.

  • Here's Bowen making a case for certain teams to get Mike Wallace.

    http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Would-you-make-a-run-at-Mike-Wallace.html

    Long story short, Mike Wallace has already proven himself for 3 yrs in the NFL, while any rook WR is an unknown commodity. However, Mike Wallace will demand premium cash. Also, he's not 6'4 220.

  • But he is one of the fastest guys in the league and a tremendous talent. All the guy does is break teams down.

    Alot of the on-air talent on Sirius is floating Wallace to the Bears as well.

  • An expensive six footer ? Nah. And that would be Cutty's first reaction.

    Trading up for a 6'1 Blackmon? Nah.

    Let's give Cutty what he wants - and every other Bears fan with a pair of eyes - a big body to go up and get it. Look at the top receivers sheet this year and tell me what you see. Big. Mofo. Bodies.

  • That is not true, Irish - not unless you treat the freakazoid tight ends like Graham and Gronk as receivers.

    Top 5 receivers this year in yards:
    CJ - 6'5"
    Welker - 5'9" (in heels)
    Cruz - 6'0"
    Fitzgerald - 6'3"
    Steve Smith (the crazy one) - 5'9" (optimistically)

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Mike Williams was a tall guy (6'5") and he completely sucked donkey dick in his first run in the league. Being tall doesn't mean shit unless you have NFL talent and NFL drive.

  • Here's some red meat for any political types. Judge Napolitano got fired the next day from Fox Business News for this closing statement.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOaCemmsnNk

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    my wife and I have been asking some of those "what if" questions for a decade...

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    At least Fox let him finish. I don't imagine that would have happened on any of the other networks.

    It is a great little talk. After all, a statist is a statist is a statist.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    And all anarchists are libertarians? C'mon, Dave.
    "Statist" is a nice pejorative, but it's ultimately so broad that it's meaningless. If you believe that government has any role whatsoever in how a society functions, you can technically be called a statist. It doesn't mean what you think it means. It's as pointless as calling someone a "corporatist" - that doesn't mean anything unless you get very specific.
    The devil is in the details.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    For the record, I don't disagree (much) with most of what Napolitano said. I don't agree with him that Ron Paul is much of a game change, for many, many reasons we've already covered, but the general gist of what he said was pretty spot on.

    I have two solutions, that have no prayer of happening.
    1) Ban all investment holdings by active members of Congress for 10 years post their last day in office - they can have T-bills, that's it.
    2) Vastly expand the size of Congress to reduce the ratio of representatives to constituents WITHOUT an increase in the operating budget of the institution as a whole - that means a reduction in Congressional pay by at least 2/3 and vastly reduced staffs. If you want coffee or to type up a newsletter to your constituents, do it yourself.
    If you want to serve in Congress, you'll do it because you want to serve your country, not because you will financially benefit from doing so. Hopefully, that's also a good incentive to move on after you've done your part, rather than hanging on for 10 or more elections in the House.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    And both of those would need to take place together, to safeguard against abuses.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Good ideas, but like you said no chance of happening. I was a big proponent of the Concord Coalition and term limits. I thought that was possible, but the Supreme Court shot it down. A balanced budget amendment will probably never happen either.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    I'm generally in favor of balanced budgets - fiscal discipline is important. However, the idea of putting it in as a constitutional amendment would hamstring us when we would need to run deficits, and you never know when you're going to need that out. It may be war, it may be famine, disaster, global economy takes a huge shit...etc.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I like the reduced salary and benefits post-term better than term limits because I don't have an issue with great public servants staying active. What I do have a problem with is the massive financial advantage that incumbents, even the bad ones, have and the inertia that they gather each term they serve. They also serve pretty large constituencies per rep, and that I think serves to really distance them from reality. Once you're in, it's awfully hard a) to lose, and b) to find a reason to leave.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I think also have to close the revolving door from Congress to the executive suite.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    Absolutely.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    You better go see the Doc to get checked out Brownie. Brilliant stuff, are you sure you're feeling ok?

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    Vote for me!

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    It's curious that people like to lump themselves into neat little boxes as quickly as they do. "I'm a lefty.", "I'm on the right.", "I'm this.", "I'm that."

    It leaves no room for balance. Once you've made up your mind before you've heard the question then you have become a robot.

    I'll shit myself with surprise if I ever hear a political candidate say to his opponent, "Actually, I like some of your ideas re such and such."

  • When it happens, it's pretty cool.

    And yes, I agree on the political boxes. I call myself a liberal as a shortcut, but that is a pretty broad stroke as a description.

  • McCain said that about Hillary Clinton in 2008.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    I don't know the statement you're referring to, but I'd bet McCain made it for his own political gain. There were a lot of fanatical Hillary supporters in 2008 who made it clear they would consider voting for McCain if Obama won the nomination. Flattering Hillary was merely an attempt to gain their favor.

  • That's kinda like people rejecting Christianity after experiencing the Catholic Church.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    Like Luther did.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    Luther rejected the Catholic Church not Christianity. You have that backwards.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    Just jerking your chain, TracDaddy.

    Are Mormons Christians? Jehovah's Witnesses? Gnostics? Are you saved if you don't believe that Jesus and Jehovah are one in the same?

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    bingo... nail on the head. Fired for telling the truth... that shocked most small minded viewers who don't like asking the what ifs.

    Moo people, just moo and chew your government sponsored cudd

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Actually, I think it pissed off the corporate folks that run Fox News.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    agree. Shhhhhh.... don't tell the cattle

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Before posting this here, I sent the same video to a friend saying he probably got fired because corporate sponsors backed out. I give Fox Business News credit for having this show and John Stossel. It's the only TV news shows that actually think outside the box.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Bingo

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    What if... Napolitano wasn't fired?

    http://www.dailypaul.com/214959/judge-napolitano-asks-you-to-stop-emailing-fox-with-conspiracy-theories-about-freedom-watchs-cancellation

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    Oops!

  • Here's Mel and McShay talking draft. If you can get over them talking over each other, there's some solid info.

    http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=7601584

  • I waiting, I'm waiting, I'm wasting....IS IT FREE AGENCY YET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    sigh :(

  • Finely gets a two year deal with GB

  • Who do we sign to deal with Finley?

    Mario Williams.

    Finley's at home blocking all day long keeping one or the other off Rodger's.

  • Or dropping critical passes in the biggest games - either way, they overpaid...which is not typical of the Packers FO, but works for me.

  • 15 million for two years? That's insane. If he's on most other teams in the NFL, we'd barely have heard of the guy. I'm glad they overpaid him. Good. Less money to spread around.

  • For baseball heads :

    http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7601600/cuba-jose-abreu-migh-best-offensive-weapon-planet

  • I hear what you guys are saying about everything but can we get to the heart of the real fucking issue please?

    ...and the issue is - Brad Biggs Death Poll:

    I call July24th at Bears camp after he inhales a combo sandwich with a 64 oz Coke.

    Holy Shit that guy is on a bullet train to a dirt nap.

    Jeff, set it up! Unless it would impact your dealings with Brad then let's get a tech savvy blog member to construct it. Winner gets a one month supply of whatever Biggsy's last meal was.

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    I would like to 2nd this motion, and denote for the record that Al's #1 Italian Beef Combos, a delicious but not nutritious meal of sliced italian beef dipped in aus jus and a giant phallic italian sausage, whole in the casing (but cooked) in the italian bun laying in a roast beef bed, sort of like the way Affleck's spent one sat on J-Lo's meaty cooze when they were hooked up, is a sure fire way to speed dial 9 motherf'ing 11 and stop your pulmonary system instantly.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    and furthermore for the record, Al's deliciously unique giardiniera doesn't count as as serving of vegetables Biggs.

    Best combo in the city. Best way to contribute to your own death. I'm now calling it a "Biggsy Bullet Death Train with hot peppers".

    I will let the employees of Al's figure out what the hell i am talking about next time i am there.

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    For awhile, I had Batali on my Bingo Card of Death or BCD. He had pushed 4 bills and change, and was looking mighty sweaty:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mario_Batali,_2005.jpg

    I replaced him after he dropped about 150, and added Al Roker and Bruce Jenner looking for the 5 across.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    oh yeah, Batali was definitely rocketing towards the afterlife but he slowed it down a bit. He will still die within 5 years unless he quickly switches to Vegan.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    The Al's by my house closed up (terrible location) After reading the post I suddenly have a tremendous urge to head to Portillos for lunch.

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    My favorites:

    1. Portillos
    2. Al's
    3. Johnny's on Orleans?
    4. my wife's homemade version with store bought D'Amatos bread ( i will post the recipe)

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    I suddenly have the urge to take a flight to Chicago!!!!

  • Defensive end John Abraham has been with the Atlanta Falcons since 2006, but it appears that his time with the team may be over. The word is that Abraham will be "allowed to test free agency," according to the ESPN.
    The 33-year-old led Atlanta with 9.5 sacks last year and has 58.5 of them since coming to Atlanta from the New York Jets. The site notes that the four-time Pro Bowler "played only on a part-time basis last season while dealing with lingering injuries."
    Plus, the site notes, the Falcons have Ray Edwards and Lawrence Sidbury on the roster and will likely try to re-sign Kroy Biermann. Even with those three, the site notes, " the Falcons "probably will add a pass-rusher in the draft or free agency."

    Rumors on yahoo

  • JA is perfect for the Patties.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    They have some cap space and I think they are the true spot where Mario Williams wants to go.

    JA would help them..kinda.

    At first I thought you meant Jerry Angelo. That would be funny.

  • Alabama RB Trent Richardson will work out for NFL teams on March 27th, as he is recovering from minor knee surgery #insideslant
    @jasonlacanfora

    Now he might actually drop some more.

  • http://www.csnchicago.com/blog/bears-talk/post/Bears-had-NFLs-worst-O-line?blockID=655924&feedID=10330

    As Chris Spencer told me after the season about the 2,015 rushing yards despite losing two starters, “We must have done something right.”

  • But let's trade away our running back for an unknown quantity and replace our Center with a rookie.

    Makes sense.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    IF you get a high first round pick and a second for Forte. You are nuts not to trade him.

    just my .02's

  • will never happen my man. Forte isn't worth a 1st and a 2nd. A QB like Cutler was worth what we paid for him. Doesn't it feel good to know we don't have to worry about QB as long as he is here?....i mean as long as we block for him?....or even most of the time when we don't?

  • You are woefully overestimating the value of those picks. You better hit one of them out of the fucking park to make up for losing a Pro Bowl running back.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    How many running backs after their rookie contract, perform up to the same or better numbers?

    I love Forte, Cutler and him make this offense work, but I am not a fool when I see something better that could help us as team.

    To Waffle, I know man. I am just saying if someone gives us that much for him. We need to look hard.

  • I don't have the time to go through the historical records of every running back, as much as I'd like to.

    However, let's take Shaun Alexander, as people like to bash Seattle for how he was handled.

    His best statistical seasons, by far, were season 4, 5, and his peak 6th season...

    Thomas Jones - eclipsed his early years in season 6 by a wide margin.

    Ladainian Tomlinson - had easily his best season in his sixth year in the league.

    Cedric Benson - has had his best rushing yards in seasons 5, 6, and 7.

    Reggie Bush - yet another 6th season wonder.

    I could go on, but this is going to get repetitive.
    Pro Bowl running backs don't fall off a cliff after year 4.
    And entertaining the idea of a rookie who can't work out at the combine because he just got his knee scoped, and who, again, has never taken an NFL snap of any kind, over a proven commodity...well, I'm not the one being a fool.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    You have your list and I have mine.

    After class I will list each running back that after their rookie contract, how much they lived up to it after it. I have time.

    If we sign Forte to a monster contract and he gets hurt or he doesn't perform, bad investment right?

    If we draft a rookie high and he doesn't perform or gets hurt, we waste a few millions and a draft pick, bad investment right?

    It's an opinion on which is worse. If someone offers us a 1st and 2nd for Forte and it is a high pick, jump on it.

    I rather miss out on a high prospect who should do great in the NFL than spend millions on someone who will hurt the team for a few years if he doesn't live up or plays healthy.

    If Forte lives up to his potential and does great, I hope it means a Superbowl ring. Last time I checked, you don't need an elite back to win a Superbowl. It's nice to have but not an glaring need.
    Don't get me wrong, I am all for keeping him , getting a stud wideout and drinking all the kool-aid but I want to justify paying him millions over building a great team with draft picks.

    Both are risky and both are tough decisions to make.

  • You consider the franchise tag on a top five running back a "monster contract"???

    And by your own logic, no one is going to give up a first and a second for Forte because half-backs are now a dime-a-dozen and you don't really need a great one anyway...Pick your poison.

    Your argument assumes we pick his replacement in the first round as opposed to filling another position of need; in which case, how would a first round bust not hurt the team as much if not more so than keeping the known commodity that we only spent a second rounder on?

  • BTW, up top in the thread, you said "no one would trade a first for Forte".
    Now it's a first and a second?

  • I am not talking about the franchise tag. I am talking about a long term deal.

    If the Browns traded us their first rounder for him. I would bite.

    If the Bills wanted him, I would want their first and second.

    All I am assuming is if someone is dumb enough to offer a high first or a high first and second for Forte, you should take the deal.

    We would have to replace Forte but it would be cheaper than offering him a long term deal. The new CBA rules make it to where we are not paying ungodly amounts of money towards rookies now. Whoever we get will be young, cheap, and good if he is in the first round.
    I don't believe it will happen. No one will trade for him. I am just saying to listen to someone who will.

    We can tango all day Brownie, I want to keep him, but if someone offers up their picks for him. I listening.

  • It would be -marginally- cheaper at a huge risk to a drop off in productivity at the running back position...a position which accounted for a very large portion of our offense this year. And has been reiterated over and over, we aren't exactly in salary cap hell, so why are you worrying about a marginal difference in cost when we have a team that can contend for the Super Bowl?

    Net-net, it just does not make sense.

  • BTW, when are you going to post the list of Pro-Bowl running backs that fell of a cliff in year 4 or 5?

  • If we build a line like Denver used to we could line up Virginia in the backfield and put her in the probowl.

    Draft OL, OL in the first two rounds, a healthy Carimi, Spencer, Garza and have the rest of our guys as backups.

    Forte is good but we have pressing needs elsewhere.

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    Alex Gibbs and his zone blocking with a bunch of 260lb dirty fuckers led by Tom Nalen, that used to shoot the knees of everyone they played and were considered one of the nastiest units in NFL history that Terrell Davis and Gary Anderson and Orlando Gary later, to a lesser extent, Clinton Portis ran behind, is a hard type of line to replicate.

    Dom Capers invented the fire-zone 3-4 scheme largely in response to zone blocking, and zone blocking's weaknesses have been discovered and factored in.

    I'd like to see us have for the 20-teen years a line that emulated the Cowboys 1990s line that racked up a HOF career for Emmit Smith. Those guys were all monsters and just plowed paths for little Emmitt to dart behind. Forte is a very Smith like runner.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I just think Emery will focus more on top notch O-Line talent and it will make a huge difference. Cutty with a bit of time is a sight to see. Cutty running for his life is a sight to see as well.

    I know I sound like his brother but in my entire adult life I've never felt so good about our offense chances in games with him at QB.

    If we get hogs up front and have Forte and Barber running behind them with a number 1 wr, the Pearl and even Roy we will be impressive.

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    I was with you until you dropped the Baby Giraffe in there.

    He's like an airbrushed Danica Patrick. Fucking hot on youtube and GoDaddy, in real life the beer goggles come off. Joe Montana couldn't make him impressive.

    I agree on the rest. These can be, and MUST be, the Cutler years.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Larry Allen was a house on wheels and just engulfed people like a black hole.

  • Do you think the O-line is really that bad or was it more about the system Martz was running? They looked good at times and also had injuries...

  • http://thechive.com/2012/02/22/remember-these-rad-sports-posters-46-photos/

    This will make you laugh and make some of you old.

  • Some great stuff in there.

    When Gretsky accepted a truck full of cash to quit the Oilers and go to the Kings to establish hockey in the City of Angels, it was a big deal, kind of like Beckham is now.

    Seeing McGwire and Canseco in there as the Blues Brothers, all I can picture is the two of them crammed in some bathroom stall, sticking each other in the ass with needles.

    Chris Everett was once an elite QB. Ha.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOVxitMy47c

    Larry Johnson as Gra-ma-ma. Probably nobody remembers those commercials. LJ was the first NBA player to get a contract north of $80M. Little known factoid there.

    Bo Jackson. Awesome.

    On the Bears LB Bermuda poster, anybody notice the packer QB on the ground is wearing #4? How oddly prescient.

    The Boz. Hahaha. When players who busted, busted with a bang not a whimper like Jamarcus.

    Ickey Shuffle. Hahaha.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8f-m-Fmd1lY

    Dickerson's best years were with the Rams. By the time the Colts had him, he was a gimmick, a marketing ploy only.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    LJ on that young Charlotte team. I remember ditching out of my senior prom to catch the Hornets-Celtics series.

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