Why Lovie Smith Stays (And Why Most of the Media Has Situation Wrong)

Why Lovie Smith Stays (And Why Most of the Media Has Situation Wrong)

David Haugh and Steve Rosenbloom - the  Laurel & Hardy of the Chicago sports media - have weighed in on the decision by Bears ownership to replace Jerry Angelo in the wake of the 2011 post-Cutler injury collapse. I would quote Rosenbloom here but I have too much respect for the work I've done to build DaBearsBlog to deface its home page with such vile, inane, unfunny garbage writing. Instead I'll give you a bit of Haugh:

The choice to essentially keep Smith over Angelo assures the coach significant input into selecting the man who will decide whether to fire him if the Bears miss the playoffs in 2012. We all should be so lucky as to help choose the boss who evaluates us.

This seems to be an opinion permeating the newspapers and airwaves of Chicagoland. There is a belief that keeping Smith and losing Angelo means Lovie has ascended to a new power strata at Halas Hall. I don't buy it. And I think Smith knows full well that he is coaching for his Bear life next season.

Lovie Smith was kept as head coach for 2012 for one reason and one reason only: the Bears ownership and CEO Ted Phillips truly believe the Bears can pick up where they left off at 7-3 and compete for the Super Bowl next season. They believe the assembled defensive talent is championship-ready and they love the staff in place to coach that talent. If the Bears were to make a change at the head coach position, overhauling the entirety of his staff, there would simply be too many game day questions to convince fans the Bears were contenders in 2012.

Jerry Angelo was fired for the exact same reason. The Bears know the current talent assembled, when healthy, can compete for at-worst a wild card berth in the playoffs. They know that a few savvy off-season moves can strengthen that unit for a run at an NFC North title and perhaps a Super Bowl. But the organization must be concerned with more than a one-year run for a title. They must be concerned for the time when Brian Urlacher, Lance Briggs, Charles Tillman and Julius Peppers are no longer elite players. They must be concerned with the lack of talent/depth at wide receiver and lack of edge-blocking along the offensive line. Any GM can write a check to Dwayne Bowe or Vincent Jackson or Stevie Johnson and the Bears know that. But they want to return to strengthening the depth and future of the roster through the draft and the draft is where Jerry Angelo had received his most stinging criticisms. He has struggling evaluating high-profile picks. He failed at executing trades in an embarrassing fashion. This was the perfect opportunity to make the big front office switch.

Is it crazy to force the new GM to stick with Lovie Smith at head coach for 2012? Of course not. And don't believe the Tribune buffoons when they try and argue prospective candidates will be wary of the situation. A new GM will come to one of the banner franchises in the league with a quarterback, running back and short-term (1-3 years) defense in place. He will have final say on all football decisions made throughout the free agency and draft periods. He will then have a pressure-free season to evaluate each and every coach and player employed by the Chicago Bears. If he's not happy with the work of Lovie Smith, he'll fire Lovie Smith. (What Jerry Angelo would have done to Dick Jauron if Jauron had not led the Bears to a thrilling 13-3 season in 2001.)

You don't clean house with an organization just for the sake of cleaning house. Not when you were 7-3 before losing your starting quarterback and 7-4 before losing your star running back for the season. Not when you were scoring thirty-plus points a week during a five-game win streak with those players healthy and only saw a precipitous decline due to the unprofessional play of a guy called Caleb. Keeping Lovie Smith as the head coach tells the fans, "We believe the success of 2010 and 7-3 will continue this coming year." Replacing Jerry Angelo says, "We believe we need a new man to cement the foundation of the roster in the years beyond 2012."

This move is not about next season. It is about the decade that follows. Lovie Smith will need at least seventeen games next season to be part of that future.

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  • Ufficio. Email me, please. jeff@dabearsblog.com

  • It's been over a year since I last commented. Love the blog. keep it going. But with the news of late I couldn't hold back. I read said articles Jeff. And I gotta sya I was pretty swayed by Haugh, only for the sole fact I fear that Lovie having a "say" on his new boss, will jeopardize our chances at The Polians. Lovie isn't as stupid as we give him credit for. He shipped anyone outta town that could've had a shot at his HC job (see Ron Rivera). No way he "recommends" The Polians. A duo that would have a stronger voice than he. And that's the only reason why I slightly disagree. I would hate it if keeping Lovie and propping him up as they have in any way, jeopardizes a shot at Polians. That is all. Bear down.

  • In reply to TheDuke:

    +1 on the Duke. I side with this viewpoint.

  • In reply to TheDuke:

    If keeping Lovie means no Polians, I'm pretty good with that.

  • In reply to TheDuke:

    Anything that jeapardizes our shot at the Polians is fine by me.

  • In reply to TheDuke:

    i agree with MikeBrown and NewBear. my biggest reason? because we're talking about the polianS.

    why is there an S? why should we have to pay the son just because we want to pay the dad?

    i think it speaks volumes about Chris that the only way he'll get a job is if someone capitulates and gives his daddy this wish.

  • In reply to evantonio:

    +1

  • In reply to evantonio:

    after thinking about it, i will be ok with the polians if they find a way to sign Jermichael Finley away from the Pack. that would be fun.

  • In reply to evantonio:

    Be careful what you wish for. As good as Finley can look at times, he was also among the league leaders in drops. Yes, he scored 4 TDs against the Bears in 2 games. Halso scored 4 TDs against the rest of the league in 14 games.

    Are you old enought to remember when the Bears signed Edgar Bennett away from the Pack? Bennett had great success against the Bears including the only 100 yard rushing days of his career. Once the Bears were no longer an opponent, he struggled to be even ordinary.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    yes, i remember edgar. i was just starting my college career as he was starting his bears career. but didn't he really mess
    up his achilles before we signed him? seems to me you don't want a running back who's got problems with the heel. it's like having a quarterback from colorado state.

    as far as finley and the drops go, i'm ok with them. i don't love them, but i can live with them. bowe was second in the league with 12 drops, yet we're all clamoring to get him in the blue and orange. hell, roddy white led the league with 15 drops and i'd still take him over any shnook we've got.

  • In reply to TheDuke:

    Neither Ted Phillips nor George McCaskey said Lovie has a say on anything. They said they'd prefer a GM who agrees with Lovie's concept of team. He won't be in the meetings.

  • Something I caught on twitter (Jensen, I think)...

    No one is inking a contract for the GM spot until their org is done playing this year.
    If you needed any extra incentive for the Packers to lose early in the playoffs this year, there you go. If we end up seriously pursuing McKenzie, waiting until the Super Bowl is over is probably not an option because we lose another month and a half of prep time for free agency and the draft. That could force us into the unenviable position of gambling that we'll get him and hoping he can put things together rapidly or taking a different option at GM.
    I don't think the rule means that the parties can't agree in principle to the hire, but I don't think they can sign on the dotted line...and that is dangerous.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Meh, I think its a safe bet that we don't make any coaching hire prior to the Superbowl. If McKenzie is our guy, we'll get the contract signed. The time issue is a factor, but we're looking for a GM for the next 5 year, minimum, if not 10+. And that's the kind of thinking that Bears ownership will agree with because they don't want to have to deal with this mess that often.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    The concern is that we wait on McKenzie and in the meantime, our other options dwindle away.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    As well as leaving whomever the next GM is virtually no time to make staffing changes prior to free agency.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    or that we wait on McKenzie and he tells us to go screw.

  • Any GM can write a check to Dwayne Bowe or Vincent Jackson or Stevie Johnson

    Well then, I hope our new one does. I'll take all three, please.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    but that would virtually ensure Hester never plays another down on offense! you know how angry that will make Jeff...

  • GPL, on the last thread you said that we lost the Superbowl because we went to Cover-2 and didn't blitz. I'm fine with the assessment, but it proves my point that defense-minded teams can still win Superbowls.

    I think keeping our focus on a team that puts its top dollars in the front 7, particularly an elite Mike and 2-3 elite pass rushers, will breed the kind of team that can win a Superbowl. But while we put our eggs in that basket, we can't have any glaring weaknesses.

    We need to improve the O, but the D can lead us to the prize.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    I agree with that. I don't think anyone would argue that the 2006 team went to the big game on the back of a D that was playing great ball. Vasher was having his shutdown corner year before he contracted rockjock, Tank and Tommie were playing as well as they ever would.

    And we had Mike Brown back there.

    But we also could control the clock. Reuben Brown and Tait on the left side could open holes for Thomas Jones to run in, and run the clock down and keep the D off the field. Rex was just the wildcard.

    That was the last team that "got off the bus running" properly, I think.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Fair enough. And the truth is this offense can do the same even if they aren't a pure running O. If Jay's passing ability makes the attack more balanced, but we can keep the D off the field for enough time to regroup and put some decent points on the board, we'll look a lot like the Pittsburgh Steelers. And they're a decent football team.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    If Tommie and Brownie were healthy and playing in the SB, we win.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Even in spite of Ron "Let's throw it deep into the teeth of a driving rainstorm" Turner, Canada?

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    i'm pretty positive he called a 5 yard out on that play. but you know what Rex always says...

    http://theflintskinny.blogspot.com/2008/08/rex-grossman-fuck-it-im-going-deep.html

  • In reply to evantonio:

    He was still part of the brain trust that took the "Red hot, tearing up the Colts D ,Thomas Jones OUT of the game in favor of the "Ice cold, I think I'll lay it down" Cedric Benson.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    he just wanted to give cedric the chance to fake an injury so he would've have to put him back in the rest of the game. it was a genius move.

  • In reply to evantonio:

    UNLEASH THE DRAGON!

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    I know what you mean but if Brownie is playing Manning doesn't fall asleep on that bomb. Also, Tommie would have kept Payton uncomfortable. My biggest beef with that game was #54 playing the deep middle all game and Rhodes catching dump offs all game. Maybe you're right. What a pisser of a game.

  • I really don't understand the "OMG he has a hand in hiring his boss" issue.
    It's relatively common at executive levels for employees to "interview" people moving into positions above them, if the new GM can't work with him it'd be better to know before you before the GM is hired.
    He certainly doesn't have any sort of final say or veto.
    If there is a brilliant candidate available who Lovie hates Ted Philips is going to have to make a decision.

  • Fact: Lovie has survived two overhauls now.

    Question: Why?
    Answer: Because Jerry saved his bacon the first go around and George did yesterday.

    This begs another question. What in thee world does Lovie have on them?

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    Neither of them can coach a football team.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    that was funny.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    The players love Lovie.

    And that keeps a lot of problems in the house and out of the paper, save for ex-Bears like Dezzy making tweets on what a shithole it is inside the org.

    That's worth a lot to owners who despise the press as much as the press seems to despise them. I will exempt Rosendoom, as he is the chicken little of sportswriters.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    +1 GP

  • In reply to gpldan:

    +more than one GP. Hit the nail on the head. The players love Lovie.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    Somebody has to supply the purple drank to Halas Hall.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    Trac Lovie gets the players to buy in and play hard. When you look at our roster, do you see a great team? I don't. I think Lovie gets more out of these guys than most coaches. He's pretty avg when it comes to the x's and o's but he's really good at getting individuals to play as a team.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Damn Canada, we sure see eye-to-eye on stuff. No way I could have expressed my opinion better than you just did.

    Imagine if Lovie had a great, rather than good, roster.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    we'll see canada and dave. I'd def like the opty to find out.

    I guess if we get a slam dunk at GM, we'll find out next year.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I hear you, MB. Although he'd be one crackerjack GM if the holes in the roster could be filled in *one* year.

  • The guy who is responsible for hiring the next OC (Lovie), is the same guy responsible for hiring Terry Shea, Ron Turner and Mike Martz. We can't go wrong with our next OC. We have a Hall of Fame caliber QB, who needs to find some semblance of cohesion in order to achive his potential. Do you trust Lovie enough to make that decision, Jeff? I don't. Not even a little bit.

  • In reply to Viva:

    But... Jay pretty much identified the winning formula for this team before we went on that hot streak. Lovie will be looking for somebody who can make that offensive identity into a season long formula for success. And Jay will be there to complain if the leading candidates can't do that.

    In other words, I see this being an easier hire than some of the ones we've looked at in the past.

    By the way, one dark horse to look at: Jeremy Bates. Jay Cutler's QBs coach at Denver the year he made the pro-bowl, worked in Seattle (where the Bears have looked in the past for staff). He has play-calling experience. I'd be interested in Rick Dennison as well, but he's currently with Houston and probably not going anywhere.

    As far as I see, Jeremy Bates is not currently working in the NFL.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    not sure on bates, but I think it get us as close to letting jay call his own plays as anything. Not convinced that would be a good thing, but it can't be worse than Martz, turner, or shea.

    jesus, we're due to get it right aren't we? I should have amended my post below to include jay's deep input as well of course.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    Per Dan Roan at WGN, there MAY be some fence-mending needed with Bates and Cutty, who was miffed that Bates chose Seattle's OC job over the Bears when given a chance to reunite with Cutler.

    Bates would seem to be available. He fell victim to the "Philosophical differences" ax just short of a year ago and a web search produced no current NFL job listing for him.

  • In reply to Viva:

    for once we're in complete agreement viva.

    The OC pick is almost as important as the GM pick for our team's success. At least it's an easier pick to make... and hopefully lovie asks for (lots of) Tice's input.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I think there are conditions to the pick - (7 year contract, which is how long I expect Cutty to play, incentive laden with an out-clause for us, and the HC slot if it opens up...). There is tremendous value in a cohesive QB and OC tandem.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I'd be fine with Todd Haley for OC. Turned the Chiefs into the no.1 rushing team in the NFL last year (via scheming, not messing with personnel), before that he had the Cards as #2 passing team. Tice and Maranelli for pay-rises. Drake out the door.

  • In reply to Viva:

    No offense Viva but knowing you were a JA backer, makes it sound like sour grapes. I get your point about Lovie and the OC hire but I think Jay will have a ton of input on the hire. If people are worried about taking the job due to Lovie's lame duck status (a good possibility) than Tice is the guy. I'm OK with Tice.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    There is good reason for you to believe sour grapes are involved. I do not belive that Lovie or JA should have been let go yesterday, but if one of them were to go I would not have gone the JA route. I think Lovie is the weaker link. When this site was on Da Chin bandwagon a few offseason ago, I was all over it. I believe every comment I made for about four months straight started with, "Dave Toub for HC".

    Bottom line, I don't trust Lovie to hire coordinators. It is a weakness that continues to prohibit our cohesion and sustainability.

  • In reply to Viva:

    I've been happy with Marinelli. Shea was in over his head, Turner was out to lunch and Martz was crazy stubborn. Lovie was hired late and got stuck with a lot of leftovers for coaches (Shea). Turner seemed like a good hire until you realized he hadn't come up with anything new since the last time he was OC (about 10 year prior). Nobody would take the job last time so we ended up with Martz. I'm guessing Lovie will take Tice because the dynamic is the same as the last time. Some of this is bad luck and some of it is due to Lovie not having a clue about O.

    We'll never agree about JA and Lovie. The truth is probably somewhere in between.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Martz may have stubborned his way out of the NFL permanently. He must really have an ego.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Yup, the arrogance of saying that tight ends have no role in an offense other than blocking when the evidence is obviously entirely to the contrary these days, shocking really. That and his reluctance to marry scheme with the players he had ... the guy had his head up his ass.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Food for thought:

    OC's hired by Lovie: Terry Shea http://www.bearshistory.com/seasons/2004chicagobears.aspx , Ron Turner, Mike Martz.

    DC's hired/fired by Lovie: Ron Rivera, Bob Babich Patch, Lovie (tried to wear two hats after the Babich Patch experiment failed), and Marinelli.

    I too like Marinelli/Tice. I started liking Lovie more when those two guys were added to his staff. And than Martz happened.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    I was calling for Tice as OC over a year ago. Not because I thought Tice would be an offensive genius but because Martz was gonna get Jay killed and there's no way Tice would be worse than Martz. I actually think Tice would do a good job as OC now.

  • In reply to Viva:

    I think he did pretty good with Tice, Toub and Maranelli - but overall you'd have to say that Lovie hasn't hired a lot of good coaches. Bar Drake, I like the ones we have now - just a shame we couldn't have axed Angelo before now.

  • In reply to Viva:

    Then perhaps our new GM should make the call?

  • Wayne Deceiver sold the Jags to Chaka Khan Chaka Khan.

    http://www.profootballweekly.com/2012/01/04/khan-officially-sole-owner-of-jaguars

    Possibly good news for Taub's HC aspirations.

  • I see Tice getting the OC job and McKenzie getting the GM job. If not, Jay will be working with Lovie on the OC hire. No way Tice has any input. Either he gets the job or he's stuck working for the new guy. If I desperately wanted a promotion and they bypassed me, I wouldn't be too eager to help them hire the new guy.

    No way the Polian's get the job unless Bill is the COO of football operations and the kid is the GM. Even that sounds like BS. GP touched on it earlier. We need an exec for football operations to oversee everything and hire the GM. Hopefully if they don't go for that structure George can become that guy. Phillips will never be that guy.

    Haugh is bi-polar. Sometimes he seems like a decent football writer and other times he becomes Mariotti Light. Weird. Rosendouche is always a joke.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Mariotti Light. Heh.

    That means he uses an open hand to slap his girlfriend.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Boo-Yah!

  • In reply to gpldan:

    hah!

  • Show of hands, who'd rather see 40-year-old Eric De Costa, Ravens' Director of Pro Personnel and Ozzie Newsome's 'Heir Apparent' as GM, take the Bears' GM position rather than 69-year-old Bill "My son & I couldn't fix the Colts Offensive line lately" Polian?

    "During DeCosta's tenure as college scouting director, the Ravens drafted Terrell Suggs, Haloti Ngata, Jarret Johnson, Ray Rice, Ben Grubbs and Joe Flacco among others." - Baltimore Sun, 01/03/2012

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    I'd be happy with DeCosta. Really don't want the Polian's. I'd love to see the Bears hire an older, very experienced guy (who had a lot of success), to be the overseer of football operations. This guy would hire the GM and call employees to the principal's office when they get out of line. Get Phillips back to bean counting where he belongs.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Hand up!

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Al..+1

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    I am in.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    De Costa. But with Todd Haley as OC, and the GM will probably want to pick the OC ...

  • Did anyone else watch Jimmy Kimmel last night? The two minute mark is magical. I've always said I want all boys but this girl makes me reconsider that notion.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWXKUPt7a-U&feature=player_embedded

    PS- Potato kid is pretty awesome too

  • Potato kid looked touched.

    The deodorant kid is pretty hilarious.

  • Enter another contender with a Denver connection...

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/chi-former-broncos-gm-sundquist-interests-bears-20120104,0,916912.story

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Not just "a" connection; he's the guy that engineered the trade for Cutler in the 2006 draft. Denver had to move way up the board to get him, from like 29 to 11, I believe.

  • really solid post Jeff and I think you are right on it. No reason to make a change at HC. That will occur if and when the aging bears proverbial window closes. I think they have year maybe 2.

  • BradBiggs about an hour ago #Dolphins announced #Bears ST coach Dave Toub completed a 2-day interview for head coaching position

    damn it.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    jeff fisher also interviewed with the fins, and he was flown in and out on the owner's helicopter. taken from the Denver Post:

    "Fisher is believed to be the Dolphins' top choice, and Ross is willing to pay big money, but competition from other NFL teams may be fierce."

    Here's hoping it won't be fierce enough.

  • In reply to evantonio:

    Fuck the fish. Fuck them in the face.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Speaking of things that DaCoach's Moustache has probably tried...

  • In reply to evantonio:

    If I'm Jeff Fischer, I'm not sure I'd be wanting to have to suck up to that Blowhard Shula after practice every day.

  • In reply to evantonio:

    From the Miami Herald:

    "The Dolphins are prepared to make Jeff Fisher the best financial offer of any team vying for the coach this winter, an NFL source told the Miami Herald and a source close to owner Stephen Ross confirmed...

    ...The NFL source said Fisher understands the Dolphins are prepared to outbid all other teams. But he has other concerns, such as the team's structure, that he must overcome before deciding if he wants to work in Miami or not."

    http://miamiherald.typepad.com/dolphins_in_depth/2012/01/dolphins-wont-be-outbid-financially-for-fisher.html

  • This chick is the best Bears Fan!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWXKUPt7a-U&feature=player_embedded

  • I think I just pissed myself. I want her to marry my youngest.

  • Did you know?

    Jim Kelly was the last QB in the NFL to call all the offensive plays.

    Maybe it's time to bring back a lost art?

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    I thought Peyton Manning called his, no?

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    Not all of them. He does have permission to call audible's at his choosing but a play is sent in from the sideline on every snap. Kelly called "all" the plays in the huddle.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    I'd be willing to settle for audibles. Man, I can't even believe cutty wull be able to do that next year. He must be so fired up.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Unbelievable wan't it? No tight ends and no audibles. Martzfense. Pfft!

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    Jim Kelly was The Man - I'm all for a QB calling the shots if he's a Jimmy Mac/Jim Kelly type. They're in the best position to do it. The QB knows the situation, opponent an his own players better than some fat schmuck in a box who never played at that level.

  • I don't want to waste folk's time by posting articles that they've probably already read but this one by Mark Potash at the Sun-Times had just such a great line:

    "This is an organization that would be bankrupt in any other business but football."

    Read it if you haven't already:

    http://www.suntimes.com/sports/football/bears/9811293-606/bears-still-have-a-mess-to-clean-up-at-halas-hall.html

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    hunti told me this
    late one night
    the post office would be bankrupt
    in any other business
    than mail
    a quick glance at
    that state of affairs
    and.........
    recently
    alot of posters desire
    got satisfied
    now that we got
    our desire fixed
    we can't seem to
    locate a solution
    to our newfound
    burning passion
    who's they gonna be
    that lead us to the
    promised land
    the sudden flash of
    brainstorming
    is bearing down on us all
    like some mean old twister
    may i suggest that the
    play of forces that shipwrecked
    us all this past season
    are now swirling
    even at this very moment
    to deliver the goods
    that will ease the pain
    and satisfy our souls
    three little birds
    said it was so
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LanCLS_hIo4

  • The Colts are also interested in John Dorsey as GM. He has reportedly rejected their offer to interview for the job.

    http://twitter.com/#!/AdamSchefter/status/154717292897386496

    He must have his heart set on da Bears.

  • I don't think we need to worry about losing Toub to the fish. I think they want a bigger name with head coaching experience. They had Sporano, werent happy, so going with experience. I really don't want and OC that hasnt shown anything but losing. Jeremy Bates had his shot with his buddy Pete C on the Seahawks and they let him go. Lets go with someone that has had success. Let Toub be the OC, hes shown success and has some imagination. I'd give him a shot at this in a heartbeat. It would look good on his head coaching resume.

  • In reply to iamndmurff:

    hmm. that's interesting. i wonder if toub would be interested in that or if he'd consider it a lateral move.

  • In reply to evantonio:

    I had the same initial reaction evan.... 'hmmmmm... interesting'

  • In reply to iamndmurff:

    What?

    You're still losing Dave Toub (the special teams coach) in that situation. So you still need to replace him on ST, and now you have a ST coach as your offensive coordinator....

    OC is already a more significant commitment than ST in the first place, so surely you aren't thinking he be ST coach AND OC??

  • In reply to thebigcheese:

    Furthermore, the bears took the "imagination" route last time they hired an offensive coordinator. The only time they had any success was when they scaled back and simplified things. The Bears have shown they do not have the personnel for a sophisticated offense. I know that imagination and complexity are not necessarily the same thing, but the Bears need to play to their strengths, and that's putting the ball on the ground.

  • Damn MB, no idea why that post came up with iamndmurff on it...........my post, very strange. I think thats a promotion for Toub

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    Damn, I signed on with another email, and I guess I had registered the other name on here a long time ago and never used it.....slippin in the old age

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    whatever the case, nice thought murph. I know viva would sign up for that platform.

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    yeah, i suppose. if john harbaugh going from ST to defensive backs in order to make it easier for him to become a head coach, i'd say going from ST to OC is definitely a step up.

    i bet we'd have the coolest quadruple-reverse-halfback-hail-flickers in the history of the game.

  • In reply to evantonio:

    I don't think we'd be bored

  • Broncos picked up Brian Iwuh for ST during the playoff game.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    they're gonna need all the help they can get GP.

    Common maings... get online with us.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    If you email me at gpl_dan@yahoo.com I will explain why it is I cannot play.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    C'mon, man... It's no secret... You can say -

    You don't have thumbs.

    No biggie.

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    Hahahahahahah!

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    It's true. I use my penis to move the controller.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    it's ok GP, I didn't mean to preassure you into anything. And you don't have to divulge personal shit either.

    Just know we'd love to have you in there.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    oh, and to-chet!

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Don't get me wrong, I think the Bronco's are not going to win the Super Bowl by any stretch of my imagination but I do think they can win the game against the Steelers. It's going to be a tight game.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    I agree - mostly due to Denver's D and Roethlisberger's immobility with that bum ankle.
    If he was healthy, this would be a massacre.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    Tebow V Roethlisberger in a classic matchup of good vs evil. Rapistberger is pretty damn good, even with that peg leg, and although Tebow isn't really evil, his last performance was wayyyy beyond bad.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    i choose pitt and evil... evil can cheat

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    I wouldn't be surprised to see Tebow v the Saints in the SB. I don't think GB's defense can be that bad and get to/win the big one.

  • for those of you who like the amber sting, I thought this was pretty cool: http://uncrate.com/stuff/roller-rock-glass/

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    hey that can be used for a new line....... "would you like my rolling rock to run your edges"...

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    wink...wink...say no more...hahahahahahahahaha

  • o btw my post yesterday explains why LDL is not gone....Teddy & George just needed the "Fire Storm" and Cutty, Double Deuce,contract negotiations and poor vetting on players were the accelerant. again I think this has been smoldering for the last couple years.

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    my take
    it was smoldering
    right after ma and pa angelo
    separated from that embrace of passion
    and little jerra settled his egg
    into placental heaven

  • In reply to The Void:

    tee hee hee

  • By the way, wasn't it Theisman who said Martz would ruin Cutler as a
    QB? Whoever said it, he knew the downside of Martz's system, that's for sure. I've heard several people here over the last year decry the fact that Cutty needed more time with Martz. Sorry but you're wrong. Martz's system was a dead end and common sense won the day when the Bears went back to a balanced attack well into the season for 2 years in a row.

    This years draft is going to be very interesting from several points of view. Are we going to see a change in philosophy? It will be interesting to see if the Bears go for need or best available talent. Also, I look to see the free agency scene to be a little more quite than the last couple of years. I think(my opinion only) that bold FA moves are normally attached to dying regimes trying to save their jobs. Will the new leadership of our Team take a more conservative approach during this year free agency cycle?

    Last point, I think it's very likely that Tice gets the OC job for this season as an opportunity to prove his meddle. I think this makes just as much sense as keeping Lovie on through the next season. Tice knows what our line is capable of and I think you will see much better 2nd half adjustments next year with him at the helm. Like three years ago when Turner was fired, I just don't see an OC that's on the upswing of his career taking a position with a team that might clean house after next season.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    Well, you're completely wrong on what the FA market is going to look like, from a micro and macro view.
    Everyone that -has- cap space HAS to spend it, and we have it in spades. Other than Matt, the rest of our free agents are relatively inexpensive to retain.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    That part of my post was more of an open ended question brownie. I could see the Bears making a play for a big name WR or DE but not both I think.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    I'd be surprised if we don't go after one of each. The cap space is there and this is turning into a last hurrah for the guys on the defensive side of the ball. All of them are rapidly approaching the big drop-off point.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    shunned last night!

    Shady, Jonny, and I were all in a room shootin each other up... gotta say yes to those invites MBP.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Yeah, I'll be on tonight - I was just too lazy to march back upstairs to my office and grab the bluetooth...and I'm about 1/3 of the way through the campaign.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    I'd nearly agree to getting that Blackmon dude if he fell to us in the first.

  • I did a little bit of research for everybody that wants Polian. In the last 10 years the Angelo and the Bears have acquired 12 pro bowlers. Polian and the Colts... only 6. In the last 5 years the Bears have gotten 4 and the Colts haven't picked up ONE SINGLE PRO BOWLER.

  • In reply to Nagurski:

    Now, don't go interjecting TOO many facts into this discussion, Bronk.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    Id rather have young, smart, aggressive blood. McKenzie sounds like he fits that bill.

  • Biggs says that Lovie got the approval of Cutler before Martz was 'resigned.' I didn't know that. Was it mentioned in the press conference?

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    Are you saying that Cutty didnt want Martz back? Not sure if your post was implying that.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    Here's the quote from Biggs' article:

    "It's well known Jay Cutler had to be cajoled into the idea of working with Martz in the first place. So it's not surprising the quarterback went to Halas Hall on Tuesday and let Smith know he was in favor of moving on without Martz before the coaches had met."

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-spt-0105-offensive-coordinator-bears-chicago--20120105,0,5880222.story

    Biggs mentions Cutler's approval in such a casual way, I figured it must be common knowledge. The last I'd heard, though, Cutler was against getting rid of Martz.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    that was PR.

    If your boss at work continually put you in dangerous, almost life-threatening situations every time you came to work I guarantee you'd want a new damn boss too. Never mind about this whole 'continuity' shit.

  • So what do we need to make a legit SB run next year (besides a young, smart, aggressive GM who is a super strong talent evaluator/acquirer and an OC that can call a balanced game to compliment the talent on the field)? This is long so skip if you want...
    The following analysis is predicated on two things.

    1. Injury luck. If we get another year like this one, we’re fucked any way you dice it. We need a year with a shitload of injury luck. Not necessarily like 2010, which almost never happens, but just not an apocalyptic implosion like this year.

    2. If we all believe that this will be, A) a ‘lovie needs to save his ass with a new GM’ year, and B) the last year all of our aging stars will (hopefully) still have ‘it’. Then….

    If those two things are assumed to be true and we’re shooting for the big show, with somewhat of a rebuilding period after next year almost guaranteed regardless of what happens in 2010 (due to the new GM building ‘his’ team)… then here’s what we need to pick up in order to make a SB run in 2012 in my view:

    A Franchise LT – either through rds one or two in the draft, or FA if a big name becomes available

    A REAL #1 WR in FA - Stevie or dBowe, or someone just as big/fast/proven. Then maybe another young big guy in the later rds in the draft.

    A Franchise FS - I don’t care how many people love conte, he’s not our franchise answer at the spot. He looks to be a good possible option at back up in the future, but as I told shady last night, I could have done a decent job back there if I was told to line up 30 yards off the ball every single play.
    o Bottom line - We need either a rd1 guy (honey badger) or someone known in FA (I would love landry if he’s 100%, or someone similar) to stop the bleeding at one of the most important spots on D. Do the research and find out how many guys we’ve had back there in lovie’s tenure. A rookie white college cornerback is NOT the answer for the next 5 years. Look what happened when we had a guy playing lights out back there (harris in 2010). Stabilization at the FS spot is CRITICAL for the totality of our D’s success.

    Dline Bookend for Pep - Mario Williams. Pay the man.

    Big, Aggressive CB - Not sure where this guy will come from, but we need one for the opposite side while peanut is still here and to take over once he’s gone. If we have to, we can probably survive with the smurf-brigade next year IF we get Mwilliams and a franchise FS to close some of the gaps that put pressure on CBs to be spectacular.

    Lach’s Apprentice - Usually done early in the draft (like rd 1), but if we’re going all out next year we MIGHT be able to push this one more year and lean on lach in 2012 if he comes back 100%. That said, this needs to happen soon, but maybe we can survive next year with what we have if we’re going all out. (there are also usually a few proven guys available in FA every year… takeo spikes, cole, etc…)

    There are my thoughts. What do you guys think?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    If the Texans make some noise in the post season this year, I highly doubt Houston will let him walk. Am I pouring too much cold water on him?

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    no, i think it's a fair thought. Maybe there will be some lesser guys that will make an impact. If the lions pulled together 4 fucking A+ guys (although fairly needs to prove he's durable still), we have to be able to find just one more guy somewhere.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    cliff avril is supposed to be a FA. wouldn't mind plucking him from DET

  • In reply to evantonio:

    sure. anything we can steal from them and GB is only good. Think they'll hand over megatron too?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Speaking of front offices that put together an incredibly thin roster, the Lions are only going to get "skinnier" this offseason. They can't pay the team they have and they have no depth as it is.
    They are a one year wonder in the making.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    shit... also forgot, we badly need a real backup QB solution.

    FA of course. See trac's list below, but we should take a shot at orton and flynn if neither is bucking for a starting spot (which they both will be).

    If neither of those guys is available, get BATCH!!!, sage or brunell. We need a guy who can be the man if cutty goes down again. Batch would be best, but I'd be shocked if pitt lets him leave.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I don't think Orton is going to be an option but I'd love to have him. However, given what cap space we do have, we need to be dropping that on as close to every-down players as we can get...not a prayer in case J-thumb gets knocked out again.
    I'd rather spend a 2nd or 3rd rounder on a REAL QB with the the tools to be a starter someday.
    You never know though - Cassell may be on the market for cheap if the Chiefs waive him in training camp.
    Either way, we absolutely need to have a young QB on the roster, whether he's the 3rd stringer or our backup.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I thought, at times, Webb could hold the fort at LT.

    He cannot.

    Allen abused him so bad, I thought Gene Hackman and Willam Dafoe were going to show up to try and save him.

    We need a guy at LT like John Tait, a guy we go get via FA to hold up the blind side.

    We need a #1 wideout. Knox is not an NFL wideout, I think we get that now. Hester experiment is over.

    Mario Williams to replace Pep.

    If we could do those 4 things, we'd be good to go. I'm not too worried about MLB. I think that white guy we have backing up Lack now is actually serviceable.

    Corners can be had. Not shutdown island corners, but we don't need that.

    Conte can play.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    agree on all you said... and yes, conte can play... just shouldn't be our franchise FS. Not yet at least.

    I did see tracy porter is a FA next year. That would be a nice (but expensive) CB pick up.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Now, now - Jackass is an NFL wide receiver. Shit, he's better than Desean Jackson and the media slobbered all over that knob for a couple of years.
    The problem with Knox is that our weaknesses at the rest of the WR position mean he is asked to do things he simply cannot do. But as a deep threat and a KR, I like him. Just don't expect him to be a slot receiver or the #1 guy.

    Anybody want Cortland Finnegan?

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    speaking of jackasses?

    Yeah, he's a douche, but he can cover and is a mean mofo (but dude needs to fucking buckle his helmet).

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBT6MygnKKw

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Exactly. He has the attitude.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Assuming Knox comes back to the NFL at all.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    He's young and an exceptional athlete...I have high hopes he's going to recover well.
    We can only replace so many wide receivers at a time.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Never liked Knox, never liked Webb - those two can sit on the bench at best. Are we sold on McCown? I'd love to see us make a run at GB's Flynn or Harrell -weaken them to strengthen us ....

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Mario, yeah. And we definitely need the help int he places you pointed out. But what about Kreutz' replacement? I guess we can survive another year, but LAc's apprecntice needs to get sorted ASAP.

  • Here's a good list of 2012 FA's. I think current starters are listed in blue.

    http://nfltraderumors.co/2011022012-nfl-free-agents/

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    wow, did you look at the WR list? Loooooooot of available talent there.

    I think vjack is at the top of my list.

    As we've all come to realize... when you have a guy that's 6'5" and 230 lbs, runs a 4.5 and catches anything thrown in his general vicinity... that's kind of a huge weapon to have (or not to have in our case).

    (also, fucking 2/3rds of NO's receiving corps are going to be FA... they can't keep them all can they?)

  • don't know that we can afford 2 big splashes, especially if we're gonna be throwing money at forte (even if it's just the franchise tag)

    you think we can afford a vjack AND m.williams? i know you like-a the mario.

  • In reply to evantonio:

    I am not on the VJack bus. I could be persuaded to join the Steve Johnson bus, but I think that bus would backfire.

    I would much rather board the Bowe bus.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    maybe I'm just getting stuck on the bio gp. For some reason I really want a big 6'5" 225+ mofo in the house. Bowe certainly has enough talent for us... shit more than all our current guys put together probably.

    Still would love to get a anquan-bodied/minded guy who can and will run people over once he's fought to catch the ball in the middle of triple coverage.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    There are also some guys on that list that will be relatively inexpensive and still be upgrades...Camarillo. Morgan. Douglas.

    We get one big name and another WR2 and I'd be OK.

    I'm not dead set on spending a ton on a FA DE.
    It depends on what's available in the 1st round of course.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    we've done the bottom of the barrel thing MBP.

    This year we need to get a real #1 guy... top of the list. Then, as you mention, we should most certainly pick up a #2 somewhere (I'm ok with draft or FA) as well.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    No, I meant go after a #1 (V-Jackson, for one) AND one of the cheaper, steady guys on the list. We can certainly afford both...A guy like Camarillo would be a nice guy to replace Hurd and has a background on special teams, in addition to being a strong slot receiver.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    We're on the same page then MBP.

    Agree 100%. Let's just close down the WR argument all together once and for all. Get VJax AND a big assed #2, then we (might) have Knox and of course the pearl and whiteboy in the slot. No more questions at WR, boom.

    As for Roy...I'd reign down predator missles on his ass... if... you know what I mean MBP (hee hee... sorry couldn't resist).

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Damn. That's cold.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I think Bowe has no heart. I just always picture him quitting on that pass in the I think Steeler game. Pussy receivers never sit well with Bear fans.

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    agreed. that was such a pansy move. reminded me of ricky watters' alligator arms.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Dwayne "I Led The League In Drops" Bowe would upset me if he turned out to be Roy Williams in how he addressed his drops:

    "Nah. I didn't drop the pass. I'm as confident as ever. Maybe more. I'm Roy!"

  • In reply to evantonio:

    I have a feeling that priority #1 for our new GM will be to get Forte a long term contract. I think it is very important to reward the man for going all out 100% of the time, keeping his nose clean, and making the probowl while being paid 800k the last few years.

  • I would take Vjax personally, he played like ass most of the year and still put up 1000+ yards. Stevie Johnson is a nutjob, but our team leaders may striaghten him out. Finally, Bowe is a quitter. The lack of effort against Pitt earlier this year disgusted me enough to not want him on my team.

  • jesus chucky, really?

    http://larrybrownsports.com/youtubeage/jon-gruden-confuses-michelle-obama-lisa-salters-video/108653

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    MB...really? your surprised with that dipshit....

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    Luckily that article linked to that one. Yay hyperlinks.

    http://network.yardbarker.com/mma/article_external/backyard/ufc_octagon_girl_brittney_palmers_sexy_2012_calendar_pictures/9111622?refmod=backyard

  • In reply to gpldan:

    nice fringe...hahahahahahahahahahaha

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    true lobo, true

  • I hate this shit. Talking about drafts, and FAs, and the like when we should be talking about winning our first playoff game.

    ARGHH!!

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    When you watch the Lions get rolled up by Drew Brees in NO this weekend, just think how we would have fared. They tore us up once.

    I hope Sean Payton runs out and slaps Schwartz really hard on the back after rolling the Lions 49-zip.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I"m pretty sure the Kitties will put up some points but I'm hoping NO smokes 'em. I really like the idea of Payton slapping Schwartz. Although Payton is gimpy so Schwartz might win a slap fight.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    My thoughts exactly. Payton would be fighting on one leg.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Here's a reenactment of Payton taking down Schwartzie post-game:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYE4fNQKTs4

  • In reply to gpldan:

    oh please oh please oh please

  • Good article from the WSJ about the NFL's refusal to allow fans access to "All-22" game footage that shows the entire field-of-play (the article is 2 months old - sorry if it's abp). A couple excerpts"

    "Charley Casserly, a former general manager who was a member of the NFL's competition committee, says he voted against releasing All-22 footage because he worried that if fans had access, it would open players and teams up to a level of criticism far beyond the current hum of talk radio."

    "Lonnie Marts, a former linebacker for the Jacksonville Jaguars, says there are thousands of former NFL players who could easily pick apart play-calling and player performance if they had access to this film. "If you knew the game, you'd know that sometimes there's a lot of bonehead plays and bonehead coaching going on out there," he says."

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203716204577015903150731054.html
    -------------

    Assholes.

    Incidentally, the article was linked in a blog post written by Ted Sundquist, the former Denver Bronco scout, scouting director, and GM who was responsible for drafting Jay Cutler and is rumoured to be a candidate for Bears GM.

    I like his blog, The Football Educator:

    http://www.thefootballeducator.com/author/footballeducator/

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    Clarification: The NFL, the Competition Committee, and Casserly are assholes; Sundquist is in favor of releasing ALL-22 footage.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    I think Casserly has a good point but the all-22 footage would be great to see.

  • Not sure if you guys read many comments on ESPN's NFL North blog but the Kitties fans are the biggest bunch of whiners. They keep crying about the refs and how bad they are getting hosed. Never mind the fact their team is a bunch of cheap shot artists. Also, Schwartz has to be the biggest knob in the NFL. How many times did he whine about the wind at Soldier Field when we smoked 'em?

  • A happy and healthy new year to all my bear blog bretheren.

    I told you Jeff that Jerry was gone and that Lovie would stay. Just because you have a twitter account doesn't mean you have the proper beat on the team. Just playin player.

    Fuck the Polians right in the face. They haven't drafted an impact player in years. They peaked as talent evaluators in the days of Jeff Saturday and Bob Sanders. Who besides Wayne and Addai would you maybe want on your team? And, those picks were a while ago also.

    I'll take the Ravens' DeCosta. He has been able to maintain an aging defense on an elite level with solid and recent defensive picks. Additionally, he has created a complimentary offense with players like Rice and second round reciever Torrey Smith, who might end up being a balls deep first round talent. And, the jury is still out on Flacco. But, I like the kid a lot.

  • you guys should like this: http://whatthefuckshouldimakefordinner.com/index.php

    you too crown. Kid on the way yet?

  • I was out of town watching GB's back-up QB beat the Lions, so I missed some of the play-off scheduling. Lovie had said that Cuntler would be back for the play-offs, just wondering do the bears play Saturday or Sunday? Also heard lovie say "Caleb is our quarterback" Is Haney really starting? Lovie -"We only missed the playoffs 1 out of 2 years", I guess he forgot about the 3 years before that... He must have video of the McCaskeys blowing each other in order to keep his job.

  • In reply to MrARodgers:

    Sucks that there's no way the Packers are retaining Flynn next year. Who's your backup next year?

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Word is they like Harrell a lot, and are happy to off-load Flynn.

  • They are hardly "off-loading" Flynn...they love the kid but they didn't extend him when they should have and now his market value is way too high for a backup and they can't afford to franchise him.
    He is way out of our price range for a backup QB unless he develops a drinking problem real quick.

  • It's hard to argue with Haugh and Rosenbloom right now. Seems like the Bears have been rejected by several potential candidates already, and they have yet to interview anyone. That is hardly an organization that is fighting off candidates at the door. Same thing happened with the OC position, which they are now splitting into two. It's going to be hard to pry away a current OC or 'passing coordinator' with just a 'passing coordinator' title involved. Seems like they could have hired someone as the official OC and just give Tice some unofficial duties.

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