Chicago Bears at Minnesota Vikings Game Thread

Chicago Bears at Minnesota Vikings Game Thread

I expect this to be our lowest comment total of the season. We shall see. But I'll be into today's game against the Vikings. Why? Because there won't be another Bears game for nine months.

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  • Why did Johnny Knox have to fall down on his route? Damn it.

  • In reply to Shady:

    why Johnny why?!?!?!?!?!?

  • I am having the worst hangover. I puked everything in me out. Please chicago, win.

  • Lets get a W! See you guys next year, it has been a rollercoaster. Hope to see everyone healthy and ready for 2012. 2012 is our comeback year. I believe!

  • For all you Tice as new OC fans, here's a story this Am from John Mullin for you. He's been around a long time and is a pretty savy guy:

  • Who's hand is in that pic? I think Cutty is right handed.

  • In reply to EnderWiggin:

    One of our blog brothers after too much self love?

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    That's impossible!

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Seriously, even left-handers do that right handed, eh?

  • In reply to EnderWiggin:

    It's called "The Stranger" end... ask the coach about it.

  • In reply to EnderWiggin:

    Yeah, what's up? That's not Cutty's hand.

    Sucks that we won today, probably cost us some good players, so be it.

    Still, hre's what we have to look forward to next year. Let's just get some good receivers a couple of good blokers and let's go and do this thing right.

  • Go Bears!

  • Hope Devin finds his mojo before the start of next season.

  • In reply to Shady:

    he will, he's hurt, he'll be back

  • Talk about some UN-inspired play. Vikings look pumped for the game. Bears look like they would rather be home. Hester should watch himself on film and he'd see why he isn't in the Pro Bowl. I know the game doesn't have much meaning, but damn guys, show some pride!

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    I'm listening to the game, do we have any new blood in there Murph?

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    If by "new blood" you mean guys that are wearing the same numbers as our starters but are obviously from Sister Nancy's Home for the Infirm, then yes...lots of new blood.

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    besides the fact that we don't get the game here and I didn't buy the last 4 games of my PS3 DirectTV season ($84), I just don't give a shit to be honest murph.

    Besides the slight hangover (nothing like young erik up there), I just don't care any more. The passion was beaten out of me already. Next year boys, next year.

    Oh, and please don't get hurt anyone.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I feel great MB. He he.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    not even some sacramental whine now and again trac?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I haven't touched that spirit since, well, 1969.

  • Fucking lions kicking greenbay's ass.

    I have to say I want to lions to loose more than I do the packers. Fuck the lions.

    Let's go 2012.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    oh, packers are resting all of their starters, including rodgers.

  • wow, great catch by colston. Saints look lights out... on o at least.

  • Nothing like bad football to cure a hangover...

  • i'm feeling kind of "hungry"... anyone know where i can feed myself while i watch the game? thanks!

  • In reply to Michael L:

    Dude "what" are you "talking" about?

  • In reply to Shady:

    "Obviously", "Michael" wants to "eat" "something".

  • In reply to Shady:


    Been gettin in there with the 14 year olds maing. Bit the bullet and just said fuck it, I need the practice. Still don't like the run around like a chicken style, and man does a hangover not help hand/eye and reflex time.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    My guess it Mike L is looking for a game feed. You need to mix it up with those fuckers every once in a while and pick up a few tricks. Or you can camp (cause I know u love camping) in an area when they run around and pick 'em off 1 by 1. I'm down for a shesh later tonight after this ocean drains from my brain.

  • In reply to Shady:

    bingo! just being obtuse to (pseudo-) protect any repliers...

  • We should just pull our starters on D now - this is almost unwatchable.

    BTW - MB30, I redboxed MW3 last night and started leveling up.
    The wife had the alert phone so we couldn't do a damn thing last night; exciting.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    The wife had the alert phone so we couldn't do a damn thing last night; exciting.


  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Over New Years Eve, she had the alert phone for her unit, so the young airmen could go out and whoop it up.
    When she has it, she can't drink or be more than x number of minutes from base, so we were stuck at the house...
    Pretty boring so I spent the evening getting my ass kicked in MW3.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:


    good for you maing. I saw you had some promotions. Well done. you're going to need it for shady the M60 Chicken.

  • En-der-lay

  • In reply to Shady:

    That depends on who~

  • Holy shit, McCown has jets.

  • Ball security was obviously a point of emphasis for the Bears this week...


  • Ya just wasn't Haine that was fucking up on those loses. Guys are just fucking up the basics. Catch the ball and hang on to the ball. We really only have 2 wide receivers..Bennet..and Schnouzer.

  • Easy TD.

  • Turns out Roy can catch the ball....if the corner is somewhere in the next zip code.

  • Holy Shit...Roy caught the ball!!! OMG

  • Peanut! haha

  • Easy Defensive TD.

  • Anyone have a link to a live stream that works without downloading iLivid or some other crap?

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Oh my god... I don't know who just hacked my account and posted that totally i-legal and totally free link to watch the game on your computer screen.


  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Thanks MB!

  • In reply to MikeV in OR:

    most welcome mike.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    Allegedly, this one...some homeless dog pulled a sheet of paper out of my neighbors trash with this written on it..., but I don't think it means anything.

  • Ponder just got knockedthefuckout.
    Ouch, Izzy is a big boy.

  • I need a feed please... I am in east deliverance Iowa and the Pack Lions game is on both fox channels!

  • Anybody got interweb feed for the west coast masochists amongst us.

  • I'm on Linux and this works great...don't need the download.
    Using Zoron and Ultimateh

  • nice catch roy

  • nice tackle lach!

  • love me some corey graham

  • Jennings should be on the team next a backup.

  • pep!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    you ready to fuck up some noobs tonight MB? G36 with delta sights and rapid fire. I draw so much attention with it and my boys can circle and flank. I'm a team player.

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:


  • In reply to MB30SD:


  • In reply to jalber9648:


  • Where is huntinbare to comment on Mr. Peepers?

  • Is it just me or has Webb looked much better than Ponder this season for the Queens? Picking 3rd they will have a decision on their hands.

  • In reply to do53:

    some as always man, the guy they don't plan for always looks good.

  • In reply to do53:

    I like Webb - he's a shorter Randall Cunningham.

  • Webb is a tough kid and a great athlete. TE or WR?

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    He was drafted to play WR

  • Hey all. Laughing at all of the guys with hangovers. Been there, done that. I've got a bit of a headache from the loud music last night but that's it.

    Glad to see Pep bringing it.

  • have we learned nothing about our offensive line? if you keep dropping 7 steps you get fucking sacked. fucking fuck.

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    THAT is why I want fuckface gone. Dude doesn't learn. Fucking clown.

  • You gotta be fucking kidding me.

  • Jennings quit on the play, Pep missed the sack and Jennings guy makes the catch

  • DA of all people

  • I am not a big Jennings fan. He is a good tackler but he gets beat alot. But hey, at least he is better than Bowman.

  • In reply to do53:

    which is unbelievable. Bowman was an awesome corner in college and had so much fucking potential.

    Jennings is going to get reamed for literally turning his back on the play and walking away when he thought Pep sacked Webb. Time to get some new DB's.

  • Let me just say for the record and so you can all shit on anything I might say....I'm a Packer fan and have been since '59 when old man Halas drove the Cards out of Chicago. So, I'm old and you all must think I'm an asshole....if you bother to think of me at all. Rodgers is the best!

  • In reply to jalber9648:

    being a Packer fan doesn't make you an asshole. Acting like an asshole makes you an asshole. If you act like a real dude then you are just a football fan that roots for the Pack.

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    it’s been our experience on this site that packer fans who come here are all assholes.

    Why in god's name are you here right now though buddy? Wouldn't you rather be watching the packer game that talking with bears fans about the bears game?

    That always kind of puzzled me. Seems like you guys like being here more than enjoying your team's success.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    that = than

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Temporary success my friend - surely a defense as bad as GB's does not bode well for the playoffs? Seeing them repeat is more than I could handle.

  • In reply to jalber9648:

    What a surprise. That makes you a two time loser. He he.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    hahahahahaha. zing!

  • Shabba !

  • Irish !

  • Are the queens gonna go for it?

  • I really want Pep and Mario on the ends with Izzy as the 3rd DE and maybe some tackle.

  • why is hester in the game?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    have no idea, let the guy heal and come back strong. he is obviously ineffective with that leg injury

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:


  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Cause he's getting paid and he wants to add to the history books?

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    he's hurt and ineffective at this point Trac. What's the point of risking further injury for no reason? He is a sitting duck with no lateral movement capability. A guided missle is going to break his leg if he stays out there. The missles name is Frampton number 37.

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    Yeah you're right. If he did get hurt though, maybe we'd draft a WR.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    or we could let Hester get healthy so we keep the greatest returner of all time, pick up a WR in FA since there about one hundred of them this offseaso, pick up 2 OL or 1 Mario Williams and draft OL OL FS or LB and win the fucking championship.

  • Mccown has wheels for a fucking old man. Impressive.

  • johnny, did you catch the UFCs the other night. Coupla good fights. Fitch got knocked the fuck out maaaan.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    missed it again mang. i need to get back into it. too much work which is never a bad thing i guess. I need to pick your brain about the VC's you used for your company. I'll hit you up on PS3 so we don't sound like total douchebags here.

  • damnit, a fucking cat could nudge the ball with his nose to Jordy Nelson and score a fucking touchdown.

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    Yeah, he's a bad mutha frigger!

  • I'm decidely NOT an asshole. I'd be watching the Packer game if I could get it. I spend half my year in the Chgo area and am watching the Bears. I enjoy this site because I find most of you to be interesting and informed fans. Despite your irrational hatred for the Packers, most of what you say here I can learn from. Plus I like REAL fans and most of you are that. Plus Jeff is a literary genius. He shouldn't be a blogger....he should be a columnist. And that's as much explaining as I ever do....which is already enough for me to damn near lose my pride. BTW, the fault with the Bears lies with the McCaskeys, Angelo, Martz, and Lovie. Their players are real pros for the most part. And Peppers might be the best defensive player in the League.

  • In reply to jalber9648:

    Most of us don't have an irrational hate on for the Fudgies. They're our rival that's all. What we really hate are Fudgie trolls that come on here and act like 10 year-olds. Not saying you're one of them. Cheesy comes on here and most of us are decent to him. All the rest of the Fudgie posters get what they deserve.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:


  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Not a 10year old, not a troll. Rooting for the Packers does not automatically make one an asshole just as rooting for the Bears doesn't either. As to the Playoffs, I agree that it will be hard to repeat without a running game and a D that allows 400 ypg. But that's the NFL this year. I'd put them at about 50/50, but will root as hard as I can. The Bears at 7-3 and full strength would have been as tough an out as there would have been in the playoffs. That's why I think Angelo, et. al. are such jags. Hanie? C'mon!

  • In reply to jalber9648:

    You're preaching to the choir about JA.

  • ummm....short passes, screens and runs. repeat after me Martz you fucking cocksucking piece of shit.

    short passes, screens and runs
    short passes, screens and runs
    short passes, screens and runs

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    No shit! Martz is the most stubborn fucker I've ever seen. It's like it's in his DNA to do 7-step drops. Part of me thinks, if Jay wants him back that's good enough for me and then he keeps calling 7-step drops and gives Webb no help. Fuck me!

  • J Webb sucks! McCown takes his third step dropping back and Allen is on him. It's ugly

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    maybe martz forgot what happens when you chip Allen with a RB. The answer is that he looks pedestrian. are we trying to give him the record? what the fuck.

  • Nice blocking on the screen pass there, 3 guys and everyone stands there and let the Viking guy come through untouched.

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    i'm just listening to the game but it sounds like they're leaving webb on an island with allen much more than they did in the first game. trying to get an honest evaluation of him to see what they have in him?

  • In reply to Gary Kueper:

    I think most of us could help them out with the evaluation.

  • Nice adjustments from Martz. Same old shit.
    He doesn't adjust for shit.

  • Thanks for the stream links, MB, MBHAP, Madd. But none of them work for me. They all require download of iLivid, etc. Maybe it's my laptop. I use it for sketchy stuff. Maybe it's compromised.

    I'm listening on radio.

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    yeah, you would hope by now he'd be a little more consistent. Lots of talent but he has to be alot more consistent if he wants to be a starter.

  • When Allen gets going like he is today, they need to do some misdirection. He gets so amped up he's vulnerable to that.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    But Canada...Martz cannot adjust...I think Jay was making most those short plays on his own!!!

  • In reply to MaddBearfan:

    Wish I could argue with ya. I know Martz is a smart guy but sometimes you really wonder. Either he out smarts himself or he's just too stubborn to adjust. Either way you just want to smack him.

  • Take Hester out!

  • oopsie...seems everyone has the droppsies today.

  • Did Jared Allen pay off Martz?

  • Webb just lets him run by.

  • Goodbye Martz. If they keep that asshole I won't be watching next year! Way to Major..good hit...

  • In reply to MaddBearfan:

    we were scoring 30 a game but jay was the cause of most of that

  • we've left 7 sacks on the field today. game changing field position. just end it and start new next season

  • I have absolutely no idea why in the hell Hester is still on the field.

    SIT HIM.

  • Another thing Roy Williams can't do - jump over a sheet of paper. That was pathetic.

  • Why aren't the Bears winning this game by 3 TD's. Jeez.

  • I don't know, it's not my idea but I won't be suprised if Roy Williams is in camp next year. He's doing just enough in the last couple games for someone to think he warrants an invite....

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    I had that same sickening thought. If he comes cheap enough I'm afraid he'll be back.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Too bad that Sam Hurd decided to be Tony Montana; he would have taken Roy's spot next year.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    With ya all the way. I could understand a guy selling weed/coke to football players but to think you're going to be a drug kingpin ... DUH!

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Innocent until prove guilty?

  • I hate it when the network gets on some storyline and beats it to death. How many times do we need to see Allen trying to pump up the crowd? Nothing against the fucking hillbilly because he's a good player but give it a rest. I used to really dislike him until Lions started playing like the Forrest Gregg Fudgies. Now I save all that venom for the Kitties.

  • Quick - somebody punch me in the dick for sitting Jordy Nelson in the DBB championship.

    Why the f-ck is he playing??:?

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    So Matt Flynn can throw for 300 yds against the Lions.

  • In reply to jalber9648:

    300? More like 500 - both of those secondaries are godawful.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I guess my prediction almost held up for both guys (wowsa).

  • If I hear that horn blow one more time, I'm gonna call in an air strike.

  • Well, so much for the turnovers.

  • If McCown and other "tryout" players are suck today, the best thing that can come from this game is a higher draft pick. Fuck it. Go Vikes.

  • Urlacher out for 2012 nice

  • That's not good. #54 is done for today. Hope he can avoid surgery.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    if you get hurt at the end of the season your next season is in jeopardy. unfuckingbelieveable

  • Better start scouting LB's.

  • What the hell do these safteys have against Lach....That's not good at all.

  • Unfuckingbelievable.
    If Lach gets scoped after this, I want Lovie's head on a stick.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I don't blame Lovie, that's football. It sucks and pisses me off but the Bears are trying to win the game and #54 is a big part of that.

  • If you made a list of the worst possible things that could happen in this game heading into next season it would be a season ending knee injury to a 34 year old MLB that you need to be as mobile as anyone on the field. 2012 is now in jeopardy. Remember what 2009 looked like without Urlacher?????


  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    Let's wait until they announce the extent of the injury before we go nuts. It might just be a sprain like Forte had.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    ok, i will give you my prognosis based on the direction his knee fucking collapsed and how Major Wright forced it to snap even more dramatically.

    Torn MCL, Meniscus and partially torn ACL.

    That injury on a 34yr old will be the end of him as the rangy MLB we all know and love.

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    yup, if things are torn, he's done

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Supposed to "just" be an MCL sprain...

  • Uh oh, not this prevent stuff I hope....

  • Yay. Bears win. What did they win?

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    Some lovely parting gifts.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    a better draft spot hopefully... and no lach next year. (god please no)

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    No Urlacher next year, no Super Bowl next year.

  • 500! OK, we can now officially start discussing the 2012 season

  • Awesome. Way to start the new year off right with a win Roy. Woo hoo.

  • was it worth losing lach? fuck man.

  • johnny, shady, mbp, get online. let's do this.

  • Stafford and Flynn have both thrown for over 400 yards and 5 TD's each. Green Bay's gonna have its hands full in the playoffs if they can't stop anybody.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    god i hate stafford.... can we have flynn?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I don't think even the Packers can have him next year. He's a free agent and after today's performance, I'm pretty sure he can name his own price....

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    that is what happens when you have receivers that can take it to the house every single play.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    MB, had to bail, 1 game in and my wife caught me and gave me the look. Two crying babies, couldn't continue the mission, i will be on later.

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    I'll be on tonight after the munchkin goes to bed.

  • WFT, Green Bay's 7th round draft choice in 2008 Flynn breaks the franchise record for passing yards (480) AND TD passes (6), without Greg Jennings, their best receiver. I hate the Packers, but that is impressive.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    And apparently they're looking to offload him because they think Harrell is their guy?

  • I love how Chicago backup QB's get worse from game to game instead of better. What does that say about Martz and Day?

  • It's the NFL of 2011. Two top seeds have the two worst defenses. But not in scoring, just in yardage. Face it, Bear fans, it's possible to excel and not have a dominant defense. Of course, that makes every playoff game an iffy proposition, but the Packers can score with ANYONE...except KC, in an anamoly. And...the have an ORGANIZATION which is why their second stringer can break franchise records against a playoff team trying to win and capture a better seeding in their bracket. Complain all you want about the "Fudgies," but we have a coach who can eat Lovie's passive aggressive lunch everyday of the week and a GM and an executive team that can run a franchise. They'll be good for many years to come, while you lament whether a HofF, 34 y.o. LB may or may not come back and lead your team to a Super Bowl? Get real!

  • In reply to jalber9648:

    But, but, but. you said you weren't an asshole. And we so wanted to be your friend. Say goodnight, Gracie.

  • In reply to jalber9648:

    OMG, who cares about defence. Packer football is soooooo exiting! Its like basketball!! I just love it!

  • In reply to Pump CheeseTank:

    Defense wins championships. So that's the Packers shit out of luck ....

  • Ha ha. Not in the new NFL, my friend. The team with the most points at the final buzzer wins the championship. And that's gonna be the Pack, cuz we got the most dominent offence since the 81-82 Denver Nuggets. Noone can stop us.

  • Some of us were marveling at all the FA moves the Jets and Eagles made last year and look what it got em. A one one ticket to failure.

    Right now I'm waiting to see which coaching staffs get the boot monday morning with the hopes of being able to pilfer the OC garbage heap. I'm tired of Martz, he is not the answer. We will never beat the cheese or the saints unless we go get an offensive guru that doesn't rely on what he did 8-10 years ago.

  • I'm not Jewish but there's an expression in in Yiddish "shonda for the goyim" which means to do something shameful, publicly witnessed by non-Jews, thus bringing shame upon Jews in general (because, the theory goes, we are all held accountable for the worst deeds of the worst of us.

    The equivalent in my family is that our paternal grandfather was from Mellon, WI and even though he left there in his mid-twenties, he remained a diehard Packer fan. It's taken years of therapy for me and my siblings and while it has helped, the shame of our Wisconsin roots is something we'll most likely have to deal with the rest of our lives....

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    In reply to our Wisconsin guests. And the rest of you, please don't judge me by the sins of my grandfather....

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    What's a paternal grandfather.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    Father's father - mother's father is your maternal grandfather....

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    Where in the world did you learn that expression if you're not Jewish?

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    Not to sound patronizing but I always had an interest in Jewish history and culture. Three of my sister's father-in-laws are Jewish, as well as one of my brother-in-laws and he and my sister are raising their two sons in that faith. I was raised Catholic but have Muslim relatives on my mother's side (she and her father converted to Catholicism when they emigrated here here from Iran after WWII. One of her cousins who also came over has a Jewish husband and her children were raised in that faith as well (that would have gotten her stoned in the old country). I'd say at least half of my old girlfriends were Jewish as well. Yup, I'm what the good ol' boys down here would refer to as "a real Jew lover".. I've even got a couple Klezmer CDs...:)

  • In reply to tobijohn:


  • I like Tebow's attitude but man he was bad today. The Bronco's are going to back into the playoffs at 8-8. It will be interesting to see what happens in the playoffs. Also, I really like the job Romeo has done as interim with KC. I have always liked that guy, I wish we had him as our DC.

    One of my all time faves

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    Good one which led me to this classic:

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    And this one:

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    Poor Johhny, that was painful to watch. The guy had the total opposite personality of Ditka's.

  • Is there anymore news on Urlacher's injury? Da Site only says he has a MCL sprain.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    I didn't hear anything more about the injury.

    I didn't see it happen, either. Was it the same knee injured in the Green Bay game?

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    Lovie said Lach will be ok and seemed to indicate that his injury wasn't too bad in his post game interview.

  • Congratulations Ufficio, you won the birdhouse. No worries mate, the Pizza's mine.

  • Tebow, why hast thou forsaken me?

    6-22...and -1 fantasy points in standard ESPN league.
    That's just....really, really bad.
    I said it during our game; if you have your corners play press man coverage, he cannot do anything. He does not have the accuracy to make defenses pay for singling up on his receivers, and it allows you to spy him with a safety or linebacker.

    He's just not that good - which is why it still burns that we let him light us up in the end of the fourth quarter.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I'm too tired to go through the scenarios but if we had beaten Denver, would we have been in?

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    Actually no, we wouldn't have as both Atlanta and Detroit finished with better records. We would have been rooting for the Bucs bigtime today but to no avail....

  • Looks like its going to be #19 in the up coming draft...looks like another late 1st rd pick for JA to under-evaluate or trade away. Please fire this clown before another year of wasted talent..otherwise we will have another Hanie for 4 yrs.

    Any ideas for the 19 spot?

  • In reply to Darrek:

    I think it would be an interesting thread a week or two before the draft for Jeff to post his top 32 players in order for our draft board. No a mock draft, our team's personal draft board.

  • In reply to Darrek:


    What pick would the Bears have had if they had lost today.


  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    There will be 8 teams at 8-8, and we're near the top of the pack in terms of conference records (most of our losses came in the AFC West). So yeah, we'd probably drop 5 or 6 spots if we had lost.

    Still, its nice to get a win to end the season.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    Cowboys or Giants will also be 8-8 shortly. KC and Seattle finished 7-9. We lost to both, of course, so if head-to-head is the first tiebreaker, a loss to Minnesota would have given us the 11th pick in the draft.

    Nice win, Lovie. You saved the Bears from a meaningless loss, a chance to evaluate critical backups, a better draft, and a healthy end to an injury-riddled season.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    The tiebreaker isn't head-to-head. Apparently, it's strength of schedule, which, according to Wiki, "is the combined win-loss record for all 16 of the team's opponents in the previous season."

    Here's the 2011 strength-of-schedule list, based on opponents 2010 record:

    Chicago = .488
    KC = .520
    Seattle = .488

    Lower S-O-S gets the earlier pick, so it's a tie between Seattle and Chicago. According to Wiki, the next tiebreakers are division and conference. I guess the conference tiebreaker is the same as for the playoffs? If so, Chicago gets the earlier draft pick based on their head-to-head loss to Seattle.

    Chicago still would have had the 11th pick. But I'm not at all sure of any of this tiebreaker stuff.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    ESPN just posted the final draft order for non-playoff teams. Apparently, strength-of-schedule is calculated using current season W-L records.

    Whatever. The Bears win yesterday cost them the 13th pick in the draft. It now belongs to Arizona.

    What they would want for it? Would they take the 19th pick, a nothing win, and a knee injury?

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    100%... when we need the win most (last game against GB last year) lovie pitches a 'meh' gameplan. this year he goes out to prove something and we get this.


  • This week, the big stories will be:

    1) Whether the Bears fire Martz.
    2) Lach's knee.
    3) If Lovie says anything about Enderle.

    In the week or two after the Superbowl, the big stories will be:

    1) Who replaces Martz if he is fired.
    2) If Toub will be interviewing anywhere as a head coach. I don't think he leaves Chicago to coach special teams anywhere else.
    3) If Toub goes, who replaces him? (I think that might be an internal hire).

    I'm really hoping we don't spend the entire off-season on Lach-watch. I'm also hoping that Enderle is like Earl Bennett, a solid guy that just didn't a chance to show his stuff his rookie year.

    But the big question will be the coaching. Obviously we all want Toub to stay, but I will not fault the guy for a second if he goes to St Louis, Jacksonville, or anywhere else as a HC.

    Interesting possibility. San Diego fires Norv Turner. Chicago fires Mike Martz. San Diego hires Dave Toub as their new head coach who will finally solve the special teams screw ups out there. Chicago hires Norv as the new OC and the former rival star QB becomes his protege. Good trade?

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    What do you think Lovie might say about Enderle that will be big news? We already know why Enderle was inactive for the Viking game - Lovie wanted to start the guys that gave the Bears the best chance to win.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    The fact that he says something will be news. Or possibly the fact that Enderle is released.

  • There will be a lot of great talent at #19 in the draft. Three guys I'm watching closely:

    1) David DeCastro, OG Stanford - I'm hoping his physical limitations give him a deceptively lousy combine and that hurts his draft value. If he bulks up too much before the draft, we won't have a chance.

    2) Luke Kuechly, ILB Boston College - I'm hoping he has the ability to bulk up and I want to see a decent combine. If he's got the tools, this guy can play outside LB for a year or two before replacing Lach.

    3) Peter Konz, C Wisconsin - We skipped Moffett, but this former Carimi partner could solve a lot of problems for us in the middle of the line, and possibly be an upgrade from Garza his rookie year (Garza wouldn't be a bad starting guard upgrade either).

  • I forgot - regarding our 2012 schedule, do we care who wins tonight?

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    We play the Cowboys instead of the Iggles now. Everything else is as before:

    Divisional games aside, we have the AFC South, NFC West, Cowboys and Panthers.

  • As if the tail end of this season had not been depressing enough, we're treated to the sight of Urlacher's knee being grotesquely bent in a direction that nature never intended...?!

    This season was 5 minutes too long.

  • RE:Brian Urlacher's "knee sprain."

    According to ESPN's Adam Schefter...

    "...Bears believe he tore MCL/PCL but he will undergo MRI to be sure."!/AdamSchefter/statuses/153678234691698688

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    "Does not appear as if Brian Urlacher's injury was as bad as it looked"

    Jesus, that's a pretty fucking terrible outcome if you ask me.

  • How many of you guys knew that Victor Cruz was an undrafted free agent and that he almost played for the Bears?

  • My thoughts on the next season are coming fast and furious. Not all of them are rational but what is when it comes to our Bears?

    Will the Bears actually deliver with some solid picks in the draft a few months from now? In my opinion, this years draft is going to be more important than any in recent history. With the emergence of the 49er's and the continued success of the Packers and Saints, there is a lot of ground our front office is going to have to cover in the off season if the Bears are to be competitive against those kind of teams next year. This is going to be a contract year for both Lovie and Jerry as new deals for Coaches and GM's usually are reached 1 1/2 to 2 years before current contracts expire and I am very concerned about the offensive side of the ball as well as the depth in our D line and LB core.

    I understand the reasoning behind playing all our starters in the final game of a meaningless season but I am disappointed that Lovie didn't take yesterdays game as an opportunity to vet the players on the team that are on the bubble. Last year Jeff was upset that the Bears didn't protect our starters in a meaningless season ending game against the Packers and I disagreed with him because I saw how dangerous the Packers could be if allowed to get in the post season. This year I thought it was imperative that Lovie would go into the off season knowing what kind of players we have in key positions on the bench. Caleb Hanie is a prime example of what I am talking about. At some point in time, you have to be able to vet your back ups in real game time situations in able to ascertain whether or not they are wasting a roster spot. Why does it always seem that our faithful leaders more often than not, "guess" wrong on our depth chart? Ironically, a loss against the queens would have improved our teams chances next year from a scheduling standpoint as well as in the draft. I don't have faith in our current leadership to do anything but get lucky and a "shrewd" move here or there just simply won't cut the mustard any more. We are a year removed from rebuilding if Jerra doesn't get off the shitter.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    so MB doesn't sound like such a hater just to be a hater then?

    Thank you tracus maximus... my point exactly. Always doing the fucking dumb thing, getting lucky once in a while is for teams like the seahawks... not the bears.

    At some point the ownership and the fans (I'm lookin your way viva) HAVE to get tired of this bungling leadership and call for competence from the top down. I'm not even asking for a dynasty any more, just good decisions on and off the field more often than not. Is that really too much to ask for?

  • Stupid is as stupid does. Didn't the great Forrest Gump say this? Thanks, stupid Chicago Bears coaching staff. As one of your most committed and passionate Bear fans (although only one among many), I can report that my pleasure at winning that game was only at about 10% BEFORE 54 went down. In other words, I didn't give a shit about winning, knowing it was meaningless and knowing winning would cost us draft spots. After 54 went down, my pleasure plummeted to minus 128% because I realized that in keeping a 34 year old linchpin of our D on the field, all we were doing was exposing him to injury, and now he may be gone forever.

    Now I see that that meaningless win, a win only intended to try to save coaches jobs, cost us something like 8-9 places in the draft.

    Thanks, you dicks. I hope you all get fired, because you truly suck.

    Happy New Year!

  • I am happy that the team yesterday went out and tried to win. These guys work all year long and it is nice to end the year with a win, against a division rival. Im not sure how you can be a fan and sit there and root for your team to lose. Yeah it cost us 9 spots in the draft but oh well. With the new CBA expect there to be a lot of reaches because you can take a flier on a high talent guy because it doesn't cost much.

    Also, if we were picking that high what do you draft? Can't take an interior lineman that high. Taking Floyd of Jeffery that high would be a reach. So with the 11th pick we take Coples or the CB from Alabama. The one thing that this front office can do is evaluate mid round defensive talent, so I would much rather draft an interior lineman or WR at 19 (maybe Mark Barron if his stock rises) because the chances of Angelo finding a OG or WR gem in rounds 3-5 is slim.

  • In reply to do53:

    read phil's post above yours... you're candy coating. We should have pulled our starters for the second half and taken a look at what we had in the depth charts... instead we gave up 9 draft spots and our franchise Defensive leader.

    I will agree that jerry will most likely piss away (or trade away) our 1st rounder anyway because he's terrible at tallent evaluation for the most part. Thus, same old same old... man this season has left me angry and really tired of the status quo. Brutal.

  • I have to laugh at the prototypical old man packer douche fan up top.

    Pitches this total bullshit about how he’s ‘just a fan and I’m no troll and I come here just to talk football with real fans’... then in classic, completely predictable pack douche fandom, goes on the troll and is a total clown.

    Yes sir, all packer fans that come to this site are trolls and douches… I thought that would be a generalization, but it’s honestly turning out not to be. Kinda sad really.

  • btw, let's all hope that brees wins the MVP... he's an insane QB and a better dude from all reports.

  • And for all of you who think our oline is ok now... From king…

    “l. Bears offensive line ended 2011 in style, allowing seven sacks.

    Read more:”

    We need at LEAST one interior lineman and a tackle (preferably left) in FA. At least.

  • MB good call on the troll. I'm OK with the coaches trying to win the game. It's consistent with Lovie's nature. I'm sure the players appreciate it. As far as the draft goes. JA will screw the pooch so it doesn't make any difference. Players get hurt when they get hurt. Who thought #54 was going to miss the season with a bum wrist when it happened? That's football.

    Read Biggs 10 thoughts today in the Trib.,0,5590159.story

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