Bears GM Position a Double-Edged Sword

Bears GM Position a Double-Edged Sword


When an NFL franchise fires their General Manager, it is usually because that franchise has a dearth of talent on their roster. (See: Rams, St. Louis) That is simply not the case with this current crop of Chicago Bears. The Bears have their quarterback. They have an All-Pro running back. They have a group of brilliant (if aging) defenders and the most electric return man in the history of the sport. The man who accepts this position at Halas Hall may only be a few savvy moves from cementing his legacy in year one.

And it is a legacy that can last. Being the GM of the Bears is not like being the GM anywhere else in the league. In Dallas, Washington, New York and Pittsburgh - four of the league's banner franchises - the top billing goes to the owner. The GM serves the desires of that owner, in some cases is the owner, and builds a roster according to an organizational blueprint. In Chicago, the largest single-team market in the country, the GM is the top of the football chain (unless that is changing with the arrival of George McCaskey). Super Bowl success with the Bears won't just lead to a long-term contract extension. It'll lead to a steakhouse on State Street with your name on it.

What the position also comes with is pressure. More pressure than any other football job in the country. The Bears are stalked by two major newspapers and both of those newspapers employ a few jerks who will spend their lonely evenings mocking every third-round pick fail of your tenure (while casually ignoring anything positive you do). The fans are educated but overwhelmingly irrational. They don't expect you to field twenty-two great starters. They expect you to field twenty-two great starters with twenty-two great backups ready to step in should the time come. They also seem to want every single free agent available. (I recommend the taker of this job stay off Twitter.)

The next three weeks will be pivotal as Ted Phillips conducts his search for the right man. The right man to lead the Chicago Bears for the next decade. He must not only be a talented evaluator of talent but a man with thick skin. Because no matter what he does, outside of yearly trips to the Super Bowl, the rocks will come-a-flying.

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  • First vote goes to Charlie Casserly.

  • In reply to Viva:

    David Carr FTW!

    Just kidding. But not really. He traded 2nd and 3rd round picks for Philip Buchanon. Oops.

  • Once again, whomever the new GM is, he will have to accept an "Arranged Marriage" to an existing head coach.

  • It is only a year though. I actually like keeping Lovie for the year.

  • In reply to Jeff Hughes:

    Yeah, but what happens if we bring in a great GM, make the right off-season moves, get a little lucky and win the Superbowl? Kinda hard to fire Lovie that year or the year after.

  • In reply to Jeff Hughes:

    I'm MUCH more worried about Teddy than lovie.

    After listening to hub, george isn't the savior of the ghost of the bears we've all been hoping he would be.

  • In reply to Jeff Hughes:

    Are you gonna play it safe Jeff, or do you have some candidates in mind?

  • In reply to Jeff Hughes:

    Lovie's okay. Lovie was not the problem by any means. O-line. Receivers. Superbowl.

  • Couldn't believe it when I heard it this morning. Also couldn't believe I'm bamboozled from Da Blog at work.....the humanity.

    When the Polians were let go in Indy, I thought briefly "too bad we still have Angelo, it would be really interesting to see just what the Bears would look like with a really evaluator of talent at the helm."

    I don't know if the Polians (they are a package, with Bill grooming Chris to be his younger replacement) would consider the job, or if Bill is ready to hang it up. I know this, though, Bill Polian has been a successful talent evaluator and the builder of championship-caliber teams everywhere he's been(the Bills went to 4 in a row). He also is a great student of the game, and understands what the city of Chicago does for it's winners.......for the rest of their damn lives!

    They would be my vote, hands down, right now. Package deal, have Bill continue to teach and mentor Chris while they build a dynasty here in Chicago.

    Right now, I'm excited about every facet of this team. That is because I have no idea what's going to happen. That hasn't been the case here for a decade.

    Also, just happen Lach is good to go. I wasn't that scared when Cutty or Forte when down, because they are young enough to get back to 100%. Lach doesn't have a full knee rehab left in him. We got lucky on that one.

  • In reply to MattySouthside:

    *happy Lach is good to go. Damnit......

  • In reply to MattySouthside:

    After hearing why the Polians were let go today, I don't think I want "them". I'll take Bill Polian as long as his son is not part of the equation. It seems Bill's son is the reason for the crappy drafts for Indy over the last two years and his son was responsible for firing some top quality personal for no good reason. There was alot of angst because Polians son was gifted his position without climbing up through the ranks like everyone else. The Irsay's were forced to fire Bill because it was really his son they wanted to let go.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:


  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    So we're in agreement on them now?

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    That's what I get for working all damn day and not have access to things that actually matter. I had not read any of that about Chris Polian. If that is the case, then I whole-heartedly agree these are not the right folks for the job. My bad. I'd like to see someone with an excellent personnel track record, though. The Steelers seem to really do well in the draft on a regular basis. They might have somene ready to take the next step. I need some candidate suggestions.

  • In reply to MattySouthside:

    The one that I'm hearing the most positive vibe about is the dude out of Green Bay...

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    +1 to that, Trac.

  • Short term: replacing Jerry is not as big a priority as finding an OC for the rest of Cutler's career. This is a Lovie hire (which is where we disagree, Jeff). This is not a Lovie strong suit. Terry Shea, Ron Turner, and Martz = 0 for 3.


  • In reply to Viva:

    Personally, I say let Cutty call the plays in the huddle mixed with a hurry up no huddle offense next season. We don't need no stinkin OC.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    Jimmy Mac style, yessir. It's not rocket science and the QB is best-placed to make the calls.

  • Martz is out too. Quite a day.

  • Maybe Lovie will be promoted to GM and Toub gets the HC gig. That would definitely be like kissing Cheesy's ugly sister.

  • You want Bill Polian. The son is a fucking disaster.

  • The Indy OC is being floated for us? No thanks!
    Tebus, I think we can do better than the sloppy seconds of the Colts - owners of the worst record in the league.


  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    classic bears move MBP.

    Get that bloos toofs fixed and let's blow some shit up tonight. No 14 year olds. 2 against 2 DBB style.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    shit, bday dinner tonight. maybe not tonight.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    priorities, priorities...just gives me more time to level up.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Can't say I know what that would feel like Brownie since I never had sloppy seconds Brownie. Is it really nasty?

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    You got me - DaCoach'sMoustache is around somewhere. He has GOT to know.

  • is it time to pull this out:

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Lovie's getting ready to be inducted into the Texas Sports Hall of Fame this year.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:


  • In reply to MB30SD:

    He still had "the look" back then.

  • What's the general consensus on Phillips? Is he the weasely douche he appears to be?

  • he is simply an accountant that stumbled into the greatest job in the world even though he was WILDLY unqualified for it. The "family" is so fucking retarded that they gave this interim president a promotion in a meeting that he was going to where he thought he was to be fired for incompetence.

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    The Family (insert Godfather music here) is indebted to Ted for his Soldier Field deal. Ted rolled up his shirt sleeve and stuck his fist up the collective ass of Chicago so far he looked like a ventriloquist making a city talk.

    It's the mother of sweetheart deals as for who pays for what. Example: when the Park District fucked up the field badly, the McCaskeys made a call as to what company would take care of the field going forward and the city picks up the tab, no matter what they charge.

    From Forbes mag:

    The Bears have one of the best stadium deals in the NFL. The team pays $5.7 million a season in rent and gets all football-related revenue at Soldier Field. A big plus for the Bears: $35 million a season from premium seating. The Bears also have one of the leanest operations in the NFL, a tradition that started with the team's founder, George Halas. As a result, the team should still make a fortune this season despite not increasing ticket prices.

    Ted pushed the team from middle of the pack to top ten in profitability In short, he makes this team a lot of money.

    And, as we saw with Deniro in Casino, if you can make your boss a lot of money, you can avoid an unpleasant ending.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    it just feels dirty

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    but is it a good dirty?

  • In reply to lobotobear:


  • In reply to gpldan:

    Ah ha. Now I understand why Jerry Jones referred to the Bears as the "Gold Standard". It's not about winning Super Bowls but making money.

  • Unquestionably. Look at him.



    Thank you baby Jebus...I guys I will have to be a good boy for the!!!!!!!!!!

  • o btw...blogfader where ever you go bra..I will follow, you tell me the site and I will be there.
    You are my life line to the Bears with this rag tag team of fans......

    and last but not least you are the wind beneath my!!!!!

  • In reply to lobotobear:

  • In reply to gpldan:

    tee hee hee.......................

    thanks GP.........I was looking for a spoof but had no luck...I'm tearing up as we blog...hahahahahahahahaha

  • While I believe this move of letting JA go is about 3 years overdue, I'm not jumping for joy today, but happy bday anyway MB. I would have loved to see Angelo hoisted on the shoulders of the windy city faithful after constructing a dynasty, or hell, even one super bowl win - but that was not the case and Jerry's history finally caught up to him. This season isn't most of what cost Jerry his job, just like next season wouldn't have defined his tenure. He's been here 10 years. 10 years, that's a fucking decade, an eternity in the NFL. This move was an accumulation of missteps and mismanagement over a long period of time. Most of the people calling for this move are too tired and exhausted to really celebrate because like I said, this was long overdue. Now is the time to find the guy with a proven track record ready to lead a proud and old school franchise into the 21st century. Offense.

    Lovie is a lame duck unless he can pull a turkey out of his ass or Cutler somehow finds a way to overcome the hand he's been dealt? The Bears were in this exact position after Ron Turner was fired.

    Although the Bears had a strong defense and the opportunity to work with a talent like Cutler, Lovie was considered a lame duck coach and the OC opportunity would most likely be a one and done. (Somehow Lovie always finds a way to get it done when his ass is on the line doesn't he, how else would he have lasted this long?) That left the Bears with my man Martz, the guy who's always been there but knew was a bad idea, kind of like Newt Gingrich.

    Although Mike Martz has forgotten more about offense than anyone at Halas Hall has ever learned, his stubbornness and inability to adjust to the seemingly obvious was maddening (sound familiar? Love!) Jerry Angelo must have known he was signing his own pink slip when he gave Martz the job. To be truthful, Lovie and a few other coaches had quite a bit of input on which players to draft because JA was a "consensus" guy, so there's plenty of blame to go around.

    The Bears need to find a GM who knows offense, someone who knows consistency, and most importantly who knows how to evaluate and develop talent around Jay Cutler. Perhaps the most frustrating part about Angelo was lovng him for bringing in Cutty and hating him for doing nothing to maximize his talent.

    I just don't trust sweaty Teddy to find the right guy. This hire, needless to say, is FUCKING HUGE and I don't want him fucking it up like he's fucked up football and other non-accounting related decisions.

  • In reply to Shady:

    If you really think about it, Jerry was the one that unleashed Martz on Chicago and Lovie had to rein him back in every year. Lovie has done kinda that he was hired to do and that was to bring back a defensive minded team to Chicago. Can't really blame him for Jerry's clown car routine. Jerry hired Lovie, not the other way around. I think Lovie needs an effective GM and a solid OC and the Bears will be fine.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    As a head coach, Lovie needs to take responsibility for the TEAM but seems to only want to play defensive coordinator when things go poorly on offense. I judge him on wins and losses and so far he's done better than average with some more than questionable talent on offense. I saw the defense quit at the end of this season, I just hope if the offense struggles again they don't quit on him again. Hopefully the new GM will want a HC who can maximize a more than talented QB. If the defense holds up for Lovie I believe he has a good chance for an extension, but if injuries bite and holes start to form it could be the end for the Love Rod in Chicago.

  • In reply to Shady:

    Shady, on the second to last paragraph - respectfully, I don't think a GM needs to know all those things. What he needs to know is how to find other people that know all those things. To my understanding, that is mainly what made Jim Finks so successful - he built organizations rather than doing all the work himself. Organizations that remained strong after he left.

    THAT is what we need, IMO.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    I hear what you're saying Dave, and I agree. I guess when I say hire a GM who knows talent I mean hire a GM who has a network of established talent evaluators, scouts etc. You know, a GM who has PEOPLE. Although like jeff said, being a GM in chicgago is a bit different than it is elsewhere, thanks to Ted Phillips squeezng every penny out of this franchise... Rabble rabble rabble.

  • while you boys were....
    listenin' to the bears presser
    I headed to the improm-two
    firing concert at Grant Park

    thanks for keeping the
    drums beatin'
    we did a coupla' shots
    at the park
    one for each loss
    and a double to honor the
    day your body poked it's
    head through the doorway
    and your mouth came into the room

  • former Bears tight end Dez Clark said Tuesday on his Twitter account: "Egos and head butting led to the departures of Jerry Angelo and Mike Martz. Not a good situation the last 2 years. Awful environment to work."

  • In reply to The Void:

    I have to respect the words of Sez Clark.

  • just a thought
    not tryin to stir a pot
    but why talk to Wirtz
    unless you want to know
    a bit more on having
    a father son GM transition
    are the Bowmans hockeys version
    of the football " pull-me-ons" ?

  • Hunti, that you?

    Thanks shady.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    never mind about hunti
    told you i was gonna
    give you a gift sunday
    but no love back
    for the peanut
    doesn't anything inspire you
    besides this off season's
    front office in shambles

  • All i want to know is when will Lovie be accountable? Martz was Lovies guy, Ron Turner was lovies guy, He called plays on our D one year and it was horrible, He dont call D or O, Babich was his guy, and He does have say in the Draft so what were his choices? If Martz, and angelo got canned well so does Lovie. He is as much accountable as anyone else. Even More. Sigh. Clean house while u can now.

  • God spoke to Pat Robertson today. Pat took notes, so he was able to quote Him directly. The following, therefore, is authoritative as scripture:

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    now what do we do
    with the language in the big playbook
    that says..............
    god places leaders to head nations
    maybe god snuck jerra
    into our midst
    just to bring us down

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    Ha ha. If your buzz was still alive after glpdan's Celine Dion video, it deserved to be killed.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    Btw, if you missed glpdan's video, and want to watch it, it was posted about 20 comments north of here.

    This may be the only blog on the intertubes in which it is impossible to refer to an individual comment by link or timestamp.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    Oh, rly? :-)

  • In reply to BobbyDouglass:

    Actually the link didn't work for me.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    Drag NB. I had to cut-n-paste it, but it works for me.

  • In reply to BobbyDouglass:

    I think you meant to link to glpdan's video, here:

    But that's really a link to a reply to glp. If a comment has no reply, there's no way to link to it at all, afaik.

  • In reply to BobbyDouglass:

    Really a reply to Crunch right below, dang it!

    You are correct, no way to link direct to an initial comment that I can find either. Bleagh.

    Heading back to lurker status now ;)

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    Sin is bringing down America.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    God set up all authority and will use whoever is in office to meet his purposes. I am not a Pat Robertson fan and I believe it's people like him that cause people to stumble. He's just so very wrong on so many levels.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    Pat Robertson: Snake Oil Peddler.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    Riiiight. But when America was a racist, genocidal, misogynistic society, God raised it up. We need to return to our slave driving, native raping, bitch slapping roots.

    Bachman-Tebow Unified for President

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    "The similarities stop there. Bachmann can throw a frozen rope spiral 60 yards."...bwahahahaaha

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    Bachman Tebow Overdrive?

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Takin' care of Business, every way.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    She cracks me up...

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    Everything you mentioned in your rant was installed by men, not God. Go to the "Well Source" when revisiting history, not the NCAACP. Christians were more responsible for fighting against everything on your list than any other group of person. Last time I check MLK was one as well.

  • Heard Lach interviewed on Waddle and Silvi today prior to the Martz firing. Interesting stuff.

    "Look at where the salary cap is on this team. Its our job on defense to win those games when the offense is struggling."

    "If we tackled one guy in bounds, then Denver loses that game."

    "The offense had some drops, but its our job as a defense to create more turnovers and we weren't doing it."

    "Steltz is told in Cover 1 to let the reciever catch the ball if thats what it takes to stay in front of him."

    "If we just get some guys playing safety that can stay healthy we'll be fine back there."

    On drafting a big reciever: "Did you guys see the Fiesta Bowl? I want that Blackman kid to play on my team. He'd make everyone around him better just by shifting the pressure off of them."

  • simple plot for McCaskey's...The shake up begins when George steps in ..lets look back to the lineage:

    1. V.G....She is the eldest child of legendary Bears coach and owner George Halas, who left the team to his daughter upon his death in 1983.[1] Along with her children and grandchildren, she controls 80% of the team.

    1A. Da Coach and a new staff with fire and brimstone against the establishment. brought in by Papa himself.

    1B. Phillips began his career with the organization on September 28, 1983 as the teams Controller.

    2. McCaskey's brother, George Jr., was the heir apparent for the franchise, but he died suddenly of a heart attack in 1979. As a result, McCaskey inherited an incredible nucleus of a team and was the owner when the Bears won Super Bowl XX. However, the team struggled in the 1990s and, since 1999 she has been a very hands-off owner.

    2A. Canary sweater-boy Mikey wants simple yes men to bend over Da Coach is not that guy and all the characters of the SB team are dismantled.

    2B. n 1993 he became the Vice President of Operations and served there for six years.

    3.Her son Michael McCaskey was team president from 1983 to 1999 and was chairman of the board

    3A. during this shit time Ginny see's Mikey Clusterfucking the Management and the team.

    3B. Phillips was named the Chief Executive Officer and President of the Chicago Bears on February 10, 1999, making him only the fourth president in team history.

    Michael McCaskey was pres. until May 6, 2011, when his brother George McCaskey assumed the position. which btw him and Teddy have been working behind the scene in Bears Management.

    4. Firing of "Glitchy" and resignation of "Martzy"..... why this may have been in the works for the last couple of years...Glitchy pulling one out of the hat by getting Peppy and Cutty...last ditch effort to save face and job. He gets both star players and yet has his arrogance cloud his judgement that all is safe and then and will fall into place but last three years it snake bites him. His poor tenure on drafts show the slippery slope, poor vetting on players..Cedric Benson, Sam Hurd do I need to go on? I believe all were nails in his coffin. I believe the George and Teddy may have been working on this for sometime

    Now to Martzy, he saw that his power pull and ego were going to be contained in much fan disgruntled and he didn't fit in the yes man mentality this organization wants.

    Why LDL stays...

    simple, you rattled the cage..the arrogance of "glitchy" as an island, now has been removed...Double Deuce gets paid, Brigsy gets love etc....

    Your franchise QB say's F off to the OC, who by the way still goes after the seven drops etc... and so forth. won't bend until the Head Coach says stop it...etc...

    LDL is not the HC...he was brought in to bring the D back to a Gold Standard...don't you find it interesting RM and the other D coaches just tow the line.. remember when LDL said he was going to be more involved in the schemes and play calling remeber what happened? Clusterfuck....remind you why Chico's not here any longer.

    LDL fits the bill they need right now. The Players look up to him and the play usually is above their mediocre talents, except for the few stars that cover all the mistakes our GM has done. They believe in the system.. that's LDL...this is just a transitional stage though. LDL's clock is ticking louder that it has ever before.

    don't you find it interesting about all these leaks about Glitchy, Martzy etc....came out and LDL keep saying that's all o.k.....he's in the dark how a business runs..especially a family owned business...All it takes is to watch the godfather trilogy, about family business.

    oh btw a tik on Phillips:

    Phillips is currently one of only two individuals in the NFL to serve on both the NFL Working Club Executive committee and the NFL Senior Club Executive committee, whose mission is to analyze both the financial and football operations aspects of the Collective Bargaining Agreement. The NFL salary cap system is widely regarded as the best overall financial system in professional sports.

    He has a little bit of pull in the NFL and the McCaskey's like that.

  • just for thought:
    Bears draft picks since Jerry Angelo was hired in June 2001:


    1 29 Marc Colombo OT Boston College

    3 72 Roosevelt Williams DB Tuskegee

    3 93 Terrence Metcalf OT Mississippi

    4 104 Alex Brown DE Florida

    5 140 Bobby Gray DB Louisiana Tech

    5 165 Bryan Knight DE Pittsburgh

    6 199 Adrian Peterson RB Georgia Southern

    6 203 Jamin Elliott WR Delaware

    6 210 Bryan Fletcher TE UCLA


    1 14 Michael Haynes DE Penn State

    1 22 Rex Grossman QB Florida

    2 35 Charles Tillman DB Louisiana-Lafayette

    3 68 Lance Briggs LB Arizona

    4 100 Todd Johnson DB Florida

    4 116 Ian Scott DT Florida

    5 139 Bobby Wade WR Arizona

    5 143 Justin Gage WR Missouri

    5 171 Tron LaFavor DT Florida

    6 191 Joe Odom LB Purdue

    6 206 Brock Forsey RB Boise State

    7 261 Bryan Anderson OG Pittsburgh


    1 14 Tommie Harris DT Oklahoma

    2 47 Tank Johnson DT Washington

    3 78 Bernard Berrian WR Fresno State

    4 110 Nathan Vasher DB Texas

    4 112 Leon Joe LB Maryland

    5 147 Claude Harriott DE Pittsburgh

    5 148 Craig Krenzel QB Ohio State

    7 215 Alfonso Marshall DB Miami


    1 4 Cedric Benson RB Texas

    2 39 Mark Bradley WR Oklahoma

    4 106 Kyle Orton QB Purdue

    5 140 Airese Currie WR Clemson

    6 181 Chris Harris DB Louisiana-Monroe

    7 220 Rodrigues Wilson LB South Carolina


    2 42 Danieal Manning DB Abilene Christian

    2 57 Devin Hester DB Miami

    3 73 Dusty Dvoracek DL Oklahoma

    4 120 Jamar Williams LB Arizona State

    5 159 Mark Anderson DE Alabama

    6 195 J.D. Runnels RB Oklahoma

    6 200 Tyler Reed OG Penn State


    1 31 Greg Olsen TE Miami

    2 62 Dan Bazuin DE Central Michigan

    3 93 Garrett Wolfe RB Northern Illinois

    3 94 Michael Okwo LB Stanford

    4 130 Josh Beekman OG Boston College

    5 167 Kevin Payne DB Louisiana-Monroe

    5 168 Corey Graham DB New Hampshire

    7 221 Trumaine McBride DB Mississippi

    7 241 Aaron Brant OT Iowa State


    1 14 Chris Williams OT Vanderbilt

    2 44 Matt Forte RB Tulane

    3 70 Earl Bennett WR Vanderbilt

    3 90 Marcus Harrison DT Arkansas

    4 120 Craig Steltz DB Louisiana State

    5 142 Zack Bowman DB Nebraska

    5 158 Kellen Davis TE Michigan State

    7 208 Ervin Baldwin DE Michigan State

    7 222 Chester Adams OG Georgia

    7 243 Joey LaRocque LB Oregon State

    7 247 Kirk Barton OT Ohio State

    7 248 Marcus Monk WR Arkansas


    3 68 Jarron Gilbert DT San Jose State

    3 99 Juaquin Iglesias WR Oklahoma

    4 105 Henry Melton DE Texas

    4 119 D.J. Moore DB Vanderbilt

    5 140 Johnny Knox WR Abilene Christian

    5 154 Marcus Freeman LB Ohio State

    6 190 Al Afalava DB Oregon State

    7 246 Lance Louis OG San Diego State

    7 251 Derek Kinder WR Pittsburgh


    3 75 Major Wright DB Florida

    4 109 Corey Wootton DE Northwestern

    5 141 Joshua Moore DB Kansas State

    6 181 Dan LeFevour QB Central Michigan

    7 218 J’Marcus Webb OT West Texas A&M


    1 29 Gabe Carimi OT Wisconsin

    2 53 Stephen Paea DT Oregon State

    3 93 Christopher Conte DB California

    5 160 Nathan Enderle QB Idaho

    6 195 J.T. Thomas LB West Virginia

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    look at this fuck all of a draft list. how many wasted 3rd 4th and 5th rounders are there?

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    not to mention the wasted 2nd rounders

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    Whered you go maing? Was I talking smack too much?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    What I want to know is this:
    We had a guy on the roster named Tron and we let him go?

    What the hell, Jerry? I hope our next GM doesn't let an opportunity like that slip by him.

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    QED. He sucked. Case closed. He gone. Hallelujah.

  • Like GP said above, Teddy made a fortune for the Bears at no risk to the ownership. The Bears are a huge market, yet they might have the smallest stadium in the NFL, and the ownership treats the fans like total shit.
    Like I've said many times before, the north end zone is the only part of the stadium where you can get season tickets without paying seat license fees. This is where my uncle sits, who has had season tickets since the 1980's. This is where most of the old die-hard fans sit. It's the same way at many other stadiums. The fans pay for this in absolutely shitty service. There are two small bathrooms for over 5,000 fans in the north end zone. You WILL miss five minutes of the 3rd quarter if you go to the bathroom at halftime, unless your right next to one of the exits. That is bullshit.
    Another example is the playoff game last year against the Seahawks. We were in line an hour before the game started, yet missed half of the first quarter. There were over 1,000 fans screaming and yelling at security to get things rolling, I wouldn't doubt if some fans missed the entire first quarter, because 100's of fans were still in line. They had about 9 people at the gate, but just ONE person "searching" everyone. It was a total debacle.
    I did go to the Championship Game the next week, but I don't have any desire to go to Soldier Field again. Or Wrigley. It;s expensive and it's a hassle. I would much rather go to Lambeau for a road game or Miller Park. Sad to say, but the fans are treated much better and it's more fun.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    Cor I know I've told the story before about the lengths my sister (a lawyer in Chicago) went to, to get my ticket money back when they cancelled a game due to the strike in the '80's. Since that time I've never gone to Soldier Field or bought any Bears gear. Love the team and history, don't love the franchise.

    I used to go to Cubs, Sox and Blackhawks games in the '70's and '80's but they priced me out of the market. I stopped going to Sox games when Reinsdorf and Einhorn badmouthed Veeck after buying the team. I've got Irish alzheimers, the only thing I can remember are my grudges.

    Not to mention, Chicago has some of the fucking dumbest fans on the planet. They really take the fun out of being at a game.

  • Iowa stands for a bunch of Idiots Out Wandering Around, and looking for government handouts. Iowa gets more money back per capita than any other state because a few thousand idiots go out to caucus first every presidential election, and every idiot politician panders to them for months or over a year.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    Cor, Iowa gets more money back because of farm subsidies. All my mother's family are farmers in Iowa and they get a ton of govt $. Then they bitch about the welfare bums in the city. They're all wading in the same govt trough.

  • For the liquor fans out there,

    12 oz of Scotch in a can?

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I think we'd have to split that.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

  • Raiders were allowed to interview Mackenzie - which means we get to interview him for the GM job too.

    Oh, it's not a win vs. the Packers, but it would help ease the pain.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    But they could deny us John Dorsey, according to Sean Jensen.!/skjensen

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    Sit down Big Bird

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Packers could lose their OC, too.!/AdamSchefter/status/154561295545417728

  • Here's some chud I heard on the train this morning:

    Teddy Ballgame (I don't know why he's called this, except that both the Trib and ST use this term, and it seems funny to me) has done as much as can be done with FCF and Corp Tax with Chicago. The deal is done, the skyboxes locked up for the next ten years. The book value is just a tad over 1B.

    To push it higher, there's only one way: Dynasty. The reason? Ginny croaking. Once that happens, we've seen that George is not Michael Corleone. We thought he was, but the Teddy Ballgame show proved he's as much of a dunce as Mikey. The whole shebang goes to pot once Ginny tips over on the john, and everybody knows it.

    Therefore, in order to max value from a sale, they need Super Bowl rings. At least one or two in the next decade. The push is on.

    I think this is sound reasoning. I think you saw a push to win, but the pushing was done by dunces like Glitchy and Sky Captain Martz. So it didn't work. But the McCaskeys want it - because they all want out once her body is cold.


  • In reply to gpldan:

    I don't think they want to cash out...

    Sell the family farm? The farm where they don't have to drive tractors, or milk cows, or slaughter chickens?

    Essentially self sustaining (and somewhat ran by slaves)?

    The farm that will keep great great great great grandkids in BMWs?

    Nah... They won the lottery, and I dont see them taking the lump sum payment of 33%.

    I wouldn't. No matter how much the people of Chicago hated me... They keep buying tickets and merchandise.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    If death is part of your justification than inheritance taxes must factor into your equation. Value will be stripped by the team via taxation before the remaining McCaskey's can pursue any course of action. The 2012 Estate Tax rate for estates valued at over $5Mil is 35%. Would two rings pay for that confiscation?

  • In reply to Viva:

    I think thanks to many changes made to tax code, they can avoid much of that. In fact, I think the whole organization as it is setup now, precludes any need for any transfer once she heads to the box.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Yeah I'm sure it's set up under a family trust.

  • There are more sophisticated ways to set it up than simply in a family trust, but you are all correct that there will be (I'm sure) no estate tax paid when Virginia dies.

    Then again, they could be banking on another uncapped year, like the folks who hit the Yankees jackpot not long ago.

    Either way, there is a very well paid lawyer worrying about it.

  • I few years ago I read where they were going to get stung on taxes when Ginny passed. I have no idea if the tax ramifications have changed. I'm guessing they have. When I read that a few years ago it was my only hope we'd get new owners. Hard to say now.

    All the writers are in a tizzy about Lovie getting more power and being involved in hiring the new GM. What did they expect? Lovie is the only football guy in the bldg. The McCaskey's and Phillips know nothing about football. It's a good deal for Lovie but if the right guy gets hired, who cares? If the wrong guy gets hired, everybody gets a new job.

  • As Shady said above: "The Bears need to find a GM who knows offense, someone who knows consistency, and most importantly who knows how to evaluate and develop talent around Jay Cutler."

    Keeping that in mind, I feel the Bears fell a bit short at the guillotine yesterday. I doubt we will attract a "TOP" GM due to the fact they have to keep Lovie. Top GMs will want the power to pick a Head Coach and the Bears have already stated publicly that that is NOT going to happen. To truly start with a clean slate Lovie should have been fired as well. Every top GM would jump at the chance to take over such a historic franchise like the Chicago Bears offer.

    I'm happy with the changes but to me it was not enough. Again, we are stuck with a mediocre head coach and what GM worth his salt is going to want to step into that?

  • In reply to Bears-4-Ever:

    I had the same sinking feeling yesterday B4. In fact, I wouldn't at all be surprised if they just promoted Ruskell.

    classic bears org, never going the full distance to get it right. fml.

  • In reply to Bears-4-Ever:

    McKenzie might, if they back a truck full of money at him.

    Why? Because, as Hub said, no coach in the NFL is fired in the last year of his deal. It's always with one year left: that's how it is done. Guess what? Lovie has 2 years left. Bears owe him $13M.

    If he fails to make the playoffs next year (regardless of his personnel), McKenzie can flush him and put a guy he wants in there.

    What the Sun Times was despairing about, and what I agree about - is that this is not about Lovie. Hub feels, and I agree, that Lovie's D mentality cannot win Super Bowls and the Indy game proved it. He will always lose the big game to an elite QB. The Cover 2 is no longer relevant.

    What the news guys in Chicago are despairing about is that the GM has to report to Teddy Ballgame. And that the McKenzies of the world want no part of that. So, we'll get a toady that will lick Ted's boots and we will never win and will accept another 5 years of sub-par Bears seasons until George understands that Ted must go.

    That's what everybody is unhappy about. That a clear cut NON FOOTBALL GUY, a guy who is an ACCOUNTANT BY TRADE, is still President and CEO, and that none of the great football minds in the NFL want anything to do with this org until he goes.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I disagree. The Bears didn't lose the Superbowl because they're defense minded, they lost because they were a poor offense with a poor QB.

    It is not possible to win Superbowls in this league with a bad QB, the Ravens were the last team to do it and I doubt it will happen again until something fundamentally changes in the way the game is played.

    The Steelers are a defensive-minded team and they do okay, but that's because they have a franchise QB. The Ravens and Jets would be right there as well if Flacco and Sanchez were better. The QB is the key to a strong O, but you can put most of your other chips on D once you've got the one guy in place.

    We have the QB, we have the RB. We need to get better on offense, but we also need to get better on defense. And the focus of so many teams on creating a premier passing attack makes the FA market that much easier for us in other positions.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    I disagree with your disagreement.

    Rex and Special Teams did enough to win that game. Lovie over ruled ROn Rivera and stopped blitzing and sat back in C2, and allowed Peyton to chew them up slowly, like a Slim Jim on a long train ride.

    Rivera will even say so. That was winnable, save for Lovie's brain fart.

    The Saints learned this and kept pushing Peyton around until he cracked at the end of the game on his read.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    Here it is in a nutshell NB:

    OL, WR, FS, CB... then a second tier DL and LB

    and of course depth everywhere... which we have nowhere.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    Plus if the Ravens, say, were missing Ray Lewis and Ed Reed, they'd probably lose a superbowl too ....

  • The Bears need a Theo Epstein moment.

    A moment where you get a GM that tells ownership to get the fucking bean counter off his back. In the Cubs situation that is Crane Kenney. Crane is the Teddy Ballgame of the Cubs.

    Theo drew a line in the sand and said "you want my talent? Because I can build a winner. You need to fuck off and count the beans and get the talent I tell you to get, end of story." And Ricketts (the equivalent to George McCaskey) have Kenney a nice extension and told him "leave Theo the fuck alone, do what he says." and followed it up with "you just make sure we make money".

    That's what we need in Bears land: our own Theo. McKenzie might be that guy. But this is a transformational moment in Beardom, and frankly - this is the move that I am going to hang my hat on.

    The Bears FUCK this up, and I may pack it in, guys. I am not ready for another 5 years of Glitchy like drafts and Cover 2: I cannot do it. I will just exit this fiasco and wait each year for the playoffs. Because watching Lions fan attempt to run smack on DBB is just a bridge too far for me.

  • I believe the adult in the room was fired yesterday, and Lovie will be exposed. The most important relationship in football is the relationship between a franchise QB and the guy calling the plays (Mike McCarthy - A. Rogers, Drew Brees - Sean Peyton, Rivers - Turner, Manning - Moore), and those relationships develop over a long period of time. Jay will now have had 5 or 6 OC's in his career, and he is in his prime. The decision to bring in a new OC is Lovie's. If I am George or Ted, I do not let Lovie make that fucking decision (too much risk). It is the biggest offseason decision we are now faced with, and the guy making the decision (Lovie) has made that decision three times in his life. The outcome: Terry Shea, Ron Turner, Mike Martz. 0 for 3. Not too mention, this is the same guy whose decisions have brought us the loss of Chico, Babich Patch, and Lovie (when he made himself the DC in 09) on the defensive side of the ball.

    A new adult needs to be brought in first. That adult, if he has been following this team at all, will need to fire Lovie, if Lovie does not allow him to hire the next OC, and than we can get on with the business of upgrading our roster.

    We have a Hall of Fame caliber QB in his prime who can take us where we need to go. Nothing is more important than finding him a guy he trusts in his earhole every Sunday.

  • In reply to Viva:

    It's exactly the OPPOSITE of what you think best Viva.

    Not only is Lovie being given carte blanche in his OC, he's being given a hand in selecting the new GM!!!!!!!

    Only in Beardom is this sillyness allowed. So Lovie is going to have a say in picking the guy who might fire him. Hmmmm. I wonder how that will go.

    The "right" thing is probably to open a Swiss bank account and dump obscene amounts of cash into it until McKenzie can't refuse, and have him bring Philbin with him. We raid the shit out of the Packers and they can keep Wayne Larrave. Good trade.

    But that won't happen. As Hub said again (he is the voice of reason), if Lovie is given a hand in selection - hang it up, because there is NO REASON to think he will get it close to right.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    can you imagine that shit? McKenzie and philbin... jesus, the filthy hoard would be like a kicked hornets’ nest.

    like you said gp, most likely won't happen... it's just not the bears way. They'll go small and promote rusky or ‘go get’ some fucking deputy assistant personnel manager from the depths of the colts org to be our new GM.

    Fuck man, just once, as we're perched upon the precipice, can we PLEASE just once make the right fucking move(s) here…. Fucking please!

    Why is it so obvious to everyone else? get a new Gm, fire lovie and burn this bitch down from start to finish, then build a team around cutty and matty. Scrap the fucking C2 and bring in a DC who's aggressive and creative like Greg williams or Dick LeBeau. Fuck... it's all right there for the taking. This team could be rebuilt in the vision we've always wanted... right here, right now.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Jeff Fisher will also likely choose his own GM. It happens in the NFL with a strong coach. He's not perfect, but Lovie is a strong coach.

    But I agree that Lovie doesn't have a good track record with OCs.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    Jeff Fisher is a strong coach.

    Lovie is a popular coach. I think the distinction is important, although I guess popularity begets power.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I think Lovie can bench more than Fischer. Way more.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    He looked soft in that Nyquil commercial.

  • totally off topic, but Jeff, are you willing to get this done to bring stevie to Chitown? Go the extra mile.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Start at the 1:57 mark. Awesome.

  • Good read:

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Keeps punting me and demanding I subscribe.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    It sounds the the top brass at halas hall are trying to campaign for Lovie as GM. I'd take that any day over a half assed GM.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    wow trac. just wow.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I guess what I'm saying is, I'd rather the Doctor saved my useless arm after I got it shredded in the wood chipper vs cutting it off at the shoulder.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    what if the arm and hand will be horribly disfigured and most of the time just hang limply by your side not doing much.

    (but the other body parts like the arm a lot still)

    They’re doing amazing things with prosthetics these days trac:

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    Jim McMahon has my vote for GM.

    {Quelle surprise, Irish ...}

    Shut up.

  • Speaking of Steve J - the Bears need a GM by the Senior Bowl.

    To miss the senior bowl would mean missing the wheel-deal fest that occurs for trades and draft day madness, and that only gives us a month to get this sorted out.

  • this will be fun to watch it all play out. What a tease, to finally have JA get shitcanned but ownership insists that Lovie stay on board. I'm not way too down on Lovie (players to play hard for him), but we may lose finding the GM "chosen one" because of the condition placed to keep Lovie. I get it that it could be a one-and-done for Lovie with the new GM. Can't envision that we'd actually hire a new OC before the new GM is in place and Lovie should not have sole decisions on that, but it seems anything goes now in bizzaro world. I am bummed that Sweaty Teddy was at the podium, I had hoped the Georgie had some balls and would take the lead. Got to admit, the various photos of Georgie are friggin hilarious. Dude, get a friggin modern haircut and suit, and lose the 70's pornstar mustache.

  • In reply to GuinnessPlease:

    it will be fun.

    Do you remember what a cluster fuck it was to get Martz hired? We had more false starts there than the Bears OL in New Orleans.

    Stories of guys being talked to, of leaving, of not wanting to come and be with a lame duck Lovie. That was two years ago. Now, Lovie is lame duck again, and somehow we think it will be different.


  • In reply to gpldan:

    All Lovie cares about is that you do not mess with his defense. He could care less about the offense till the offense helps the opposing defense out.

    He will let a offensive coordinator do whatever he wants till the offense starts to lose games for them.

  • All right...Free agency happens on my birthday March 12. Who should I wish for?

    I think we are going after a playoff off.coordinator or Gm.

  • My short list of why Jerra got on the "shit list".

    #1 Jerry started raiding Ginny's lock box way too often.
    #2 Jerry shot blanks and spent big bucks on quite a few players but Manu, Chester and Meriweather were ugly, expensive mistakes.
    #3 Jerry signed the 3 amigo's from Dallas and Hurd embarrassed the top brass. Do not underestimate the damage this one situation contributed to in Jerry's firing.
    #4 Jerry lost control of the coaching staff as well as the general respect of the players.
    #5 This was the year to renegotiate Jerry's contract and the McCaskey's just weren't going to renew his deal, period.

    In my opinion, the McCaskey's fired Jerry more for the things he allowed to take place within the organization under his watch, than what he did or didn't accomplish football wise. I think he had made things a little too uncomfortable for the top brass and they wanted him gone more than they wanted a new GM.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    agree, and that's the sad part about this owenership... they only care about money, not football.

    It's ok to want a successful franchise and to want to make money... be filthy rich even... but when you do so without any regard or care for the very thing that's making you money, that's just sad and dirty.

    I really wished we had ownership who cared a fraction as much about seeing Bears football return to greatness as all of the guys on this blog. Sucks.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    The short'n'curlies of Angelo's Bears career.,0,3702835.story?page=1

    No matter what happens now I feel a lot better about us going forward. I like this George McCaskey guy. So far so good. Is Daryl Drake gone yet?

  • Did anyone lese watch Jimmy Kimmel last night? The two minute mark is magical. I've always said I want all boys but this girl makes me reconsider that notion.

    PS- Potato kid is pretty awesome too

  • I just want to know how to apply for the GM position

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