Audibles From the Long Snapper: Season Hath Ended Edition

Audibles From the Long Snapper: Season Hath Ended Edition

DaPicks Contest Updated!

We have our final four. This weekend it'll be Shady v. Ufficio and TracDaddy v. tobijohn. I'll post the Weekend Show first thing Friday morning and all picks must be made prior to kickoff of the Christmas Eve slate Saturday. Good luck. (And for those of you who picked the Bears this week, I applaud your loyalty. But I thought the Bears would lose by two touchdowns and didn't write a game preview to avoid having to make that prediction.)

Lovie Smith on Caleb Hanie

Say what you want but I like Lovie Smith's comments on Hanie's struggles and how they relate to the organization:

"You have to have the right player in that (No. 2) position as much as anything," Smith said. "But as far as preparing him, you prepare the No. 1 guy and you do what you can with the No. 2 guy. It's hard to give the backup quarterback or the third quarterback a lot of work, you just hope you have the right guy in that position."

Do I think the Bears organization made an evaluation error when it came to Caleb Hanie? Yes. But we don't have access to Hanie on the practice field, Hanie in the meeting rooms...etc. And Hanie's performance in the NFC title game last year led many - myself included - to believe he was more than able to step onto the field and manage outcomes. We were all wrong. Hanie is a complete disaster. The sad truth is the Bears were not able to find out until it was too late.

But I will be fair. If you turn to me and shout, "Jerry Angelo is paid to evaluate personnel and he failed miserably with the backup quarterback" I will not argue with you. Though I do believe there will be little-to-no turnover in the front office or on the coaching staff for 2012.

What Can the Bears Accomplish Sunday Night in Green Bay?

Very little. But I'd like to see them come out and play angry on the defensive side of the ball. I understand the Packers are overwhelming favorites to win the game but the Bears should make Aaron Rodgers pay for every completion in the pocket. The Bears should make Finley regret ever entering the middle of the field. Julius Peppers should torment the Packers tackles. They better play with maximum aggression because if they give Rodgers time to throw, Meriweather and Steltz will have no chance.

Notes on a Pair of Kids

Gabe Carimi is going to have a second procedure on his knee but is expected to be ready when football activities begin in 2012. If I were the Bears I'd strongly consider moving Carimi to the left side and using J'Marcus Webb as my flex option.

Chris Conte is on IR. Impressive kid and certainly should be the starting free safety next season. The question the Bears must answer is whether they can continue to count on injury-prone Major Wright to cover the other deep half of the field.

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  • First! This season was such a kick in the balls, it looked so positive for so long then the football gods stole it from us.

  • In reply to NY Bears Fan:

    agreed. i blame the city of chicago for their poor sod management. i also blame jonathan knox for his inability to make a football cut. lastly, i blame jeff for telling me to "let it go" as i was peeing away my frustration.

    clearly, based on your last coule of posts, blogfather, you yourself haven't let it go.

  • Second that nb.

    Also, second to say fuck the packers... I have zero hope that we'll even come remotely close to beating them without something that remotely resembles an offense, but duck em anyway.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Damn phone.

    FUCK EM!!!!

  • Carimi and Webb are both decent prospects at left tackle.

    J-Webb has shown that he can hold down the position, but isn't able to face elite pass rushers without help from a running back or tight end. That is the ideal description of a top-rate swing tackle. But then again, this was his first year at left tackle and he improves every year like crazy, so who knows what next season will bring.

    Carimi was projected at right tackle because of lack of mobility needed for the left side. He now has some knee issues that could further restrict mobility. But he played the left side well enough in college to be a consensus first rounder that would have gone higher if not for the knee issues. Has he proven he can play tackle in the pros? Yes. Has he proven he can play the left side? No. Has he earned a shot to try? Sure.

    We've got two solid prospects at left tackle. I don't think either of them has earned the spot without question, but both could be solid there next season. A much better place to be than last year, that's for sure.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    before carimi/williams went down, the bears were averaging something ridiculous on their runs to the right side - it was over 6 YPC. if keeping gabe on the right side means we can regain that sort of dominance, i say he stays there.

    of course that point may be moot if we don't re-sign forte and we're left with a couple of shnooks in the backfield, but let's hope that doesn't happen.

  • In reply to evantonio:

    The counter to that argument is that if Carimi is that good on the right side, he should be playing on the left where the strongest tackle usually goes. As I said, he's definitely earned the right to compete for that spot, but I don't know if he'll be the answer.

    And I'm not convinced Webb can't continue his annual improvement and end up being the guy for 5+ seasons. He's definitely got the size, and he's shown himself to be a great student.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    are you willing to sacrifice right-side dominance for left side holding down the fort? i'd rather him be a kick-ass RT than a passable LT.

    of course, if he could be an Orlando Pace LT (early career Orlando, not Chicago Orlando) I'm all for switching it up.

  • In reply to evantonio:

    dude, LL IS dominace on that right... he's just injured (like the rest of our entire fucking team).

    Carimi needs to go to the side that we're weakest... left. Only till his knee explodes in game two next year. That's why we need another known starter in FA. Most of our draftings should be interior line in my mind.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    have we been watching the same games? louis was attributed to 5 of the 7 chief sacks. gave up a sack and had 2 false start penalties against the broncos. i can't find the numbers for louis against the seahawks but chris clemons, the man lined up on louis, finished with 2 sacks, 2 tackles for loss, a qb pressure, and 2 qb hits. i'm gonna just go ahead and put those on louis because it strengthens my argument.

    i think he's a good guard. i don't like him at tackle.

  • In reply to evantonio:

    yeah, I get it. he's unjured maing.

    The games before the chargers game he was very good.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    so you're saying that johnny knox falling down not only cost us cutler, but a healthy louis? cause if he got hurt, that's the play it would've happened on. that man is not made to sprint 80 yards =]

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    yes, that's the play. we've already discussed it. check the tape. Men that big shouldn't do that.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    First off, Carimi should be our RT.

    As Tice said, he's going to be a GREAT RT (Kiper said as much too), while only making an OK LT for reasons that NewBear glossed over. But hell, give him a shot at LT to at the very least push Webb, who has been showing progress.

    LL showed nastiness and dominance, but then again, he was blown out of the water against the Chiefs and Seahawks. Was he injured? We're not on the field, so we're going to have to trust Tice on that. However, I do know that LL was killing it at RG, and coupled with BearJew on that side. Wow.

    The loss of C.Williams really hurt our perimeter running game.

    Spencer has also been solid. He might take over Garza's spot at Center.

    Webb seems to be decent. Unless some sure fire LT falls to us, he's going to be our starting LT next season.

    So, the 2012 line will be.


    With Garza filling in at LG/C/G as the ultimate swingman.

    If our LT goes down, expect JewBear to go there, LL back at RT, and Garza at RG, etc.

    We're in pretty good shape.

    We just need a solid late round prospect for insurance.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    I view Carimi's need for another procedure with MUCH foreboding.

    Remember when he was supposed to miss "a couple of weeks"?

    Then it was "...back after the bye".

    Then he gets scoped.

    Now this.

    The trend is NOT inspiring.

  • I don't get the part about Jerry Angelo evaluating the personnel. Isn't that the coaching staffs job? I don't picture Angelo on the practice field watching practice and telling the coaches who can and who can't play. I have a feeling Martz knew Hanie couldn't do it, but was over ruled by the head coach. No one knows what the backup will do when given his chance. Lot of guys shit the bed when given the chance to play, maybe they just can not take the pressure. Others come in like Brady did and just light em up and never look back. MB I know you despise Angelo, and I agree he is not the best GM, but I believe he is in the top 1/3 of GM's in the NFL. We will never know who is to blame for misjudging talent unless we are in the room when these decisions are made. We were hit hard this year, but I see promise for the future. Bear Down, we will return!

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    I agree with a lot of your post Murph but not the top 1/3 in the league. Job one for a GM is the draft and JA has more misses than hits at the top of the draft. That alone knocks him way down in my book. I do give him credit for some nice mid to late round hits and his shaping the roster with ST's in mind. I think Lovie gets more out of less than most coaches. Our WR's are horrible, the OL has been in flux (and not in a good way) for years, same with the safety position and the CB opposite of Peanut is a never ending search.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    how do you rate someone like a nate vasher? JA drafts him, kid comes out gangbusters, then absolutely disappears. is that something you lay at jerry's feet, or is that something that's beyond his control?

  • In reply to evantonio:

    Nate was a 4th rounder (I think). I gave credit to JA for finding him and then he disappeared which is kind of typical of a 4th rounder.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    I can only go by our accomplishments. We went to the Super Bowl and we were one game away last year. Look around the league, a lot of misses at the top of the draft. I'd love an Ozzie Newsome, but I don't think he is coming here. Come up with a better alternative to JA and I'm in......but change just for the sake of change.....remember the Wanny era?

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    I hear what you're saying but I give Lovie way more credit for that than JA. Who knows? Probably somewhere in between.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    There's the crux. We'll never know. The Bears are more secretive than the Fed.

    They refrain "Loose lips sink ships" every night before they go to sleep.

    Hanie was an Angelo/Lovie debacle.

    Given that Anglelo has given Martz two late round picks to try to replace him, logic suggests that if Lovie correctly diagnosed Hanie, he would have asked for a more proven back up QB or even a 3rd rounder, and Angelo would have tried to oblige.

    Also, Lovie is a defensive minded coach (as opposed to Martz), thus his misjudging on Hanie would make sense.

    However, Hanie could easily be an Angelo debacle...

  • Reposting this from the tail end of the game day thread.

    "Totally agree MB. I've got no real issues with Conte, Wright and Steltz (unless Wright keeps getting dinged up). They are avg with some upside. Merriweather is gone. However, stop drafting them in the 3rd round. Either get a really good one in Rds 1 or 2 or take a flyer late. We desperately need a good backup QB, a stud OT, another OG, a stud DE, about 3 LB's, about 3 WR's (with at least one of them being a #1) and a stud CB. If a stud DT is the only real value in the first rd, take him. Other than that, we're all set.

    The JA apologists will say no team has every position stocked. I agree. However, our needs are our needs. There's no way we can fill all these holes but we must fill the majority of them or we're going to be the 3rd place finisher in the NFC North for a while. I keep reading that JA will be all in this winter since it's his last hurrah. If Ginny opens up the purse we might have a chance to be decent next year. JA can sign good players when he has the resources and it's obvious to everyone and his dog who are the good players. We know he'll fuck up the draft. If JA does step down and Ruskell gets the nod it will be second verse same as the first.

    On the coaching front, bring in a new OC and WR's coach. Immediately."

    Not getting the love for Webb. He allowed 2 sacks Sunday and it would have been 4 if he wasn't called for holding twice. Some games he looks OK, other games not so much. I agree he would make a good swing tackle. Really worried about Carimi and the 2nd surgery. Bringing back bad Columbo memories.

    With Knox out and Hester hurting, we're down to Earl, Roy and Sanzenbacher. OUCH! I'd like Sanz better if he didn't have about a dozen drops this year.

    With Steltz, Merriweather and Venable (if Wright doesn't play) as our safeties we're in trouble. Could be some long ones to Jones, Jordan. Finley and Cobb. Now that the Forty Whiners won last night, the Fudgies have something to play for and I don't think it's going to end well for the Beloved. Oh well.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    i don't agree on your doomy prognostication for the O-Line. before carimi/williams got hurt, our guys were more than holding their own. i'm ok foregoing the o-line as our #1 area of need if it means we focus on getting jay some gat danged weapons. sign bowe or vincent jackson. draft a tall ass muthafunka in the first round. do something so he's not stuck relying on our speedy smurfs.

  • In reply to evantonio:

    Totally agree about some decent WR's. I think Cutler masked a lot of the issues with the OL. Once Martz finally got the message that 7-step drops are going to get Jay killed, things improved a lot. Cutler was feeling the pressure and moving well in the pocket. Cutler also masked a lot of the WR's issues. Bennett is not open on a lot of those 3rd down throws. Cutler has the arm and accuracy to gun it in there. Sadly, Hanie doesn't.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    jay is quite good. has anyone heard eddie royal's name since jay left denver? didn't think so.

    get the man a viable fuggin target!

  • In reply to evantonio:

    yes, I have. quite a bit last year. He had a probowl year didn't he?

    But I agree with your main point.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    59 catches for 627 yards and 3 TD. if that's a Pro Bowl caliber year, then the Bears should be sending receivers to the Pro Bowl every year.

    minus this one, of course.

  • In reply to evantonio:

    must have been the other guy... whassisname? He went to the rams or something this year. Oh well.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    oh yeah. lloyd. took him 5 weeks to get the sand out of his vagina when he was a bear. good riddance.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    If Carimi ends up being another Columbo, I'm in. He has been pretty damn good the last 7 years. Still going strong in Miami....Columbo has heart.

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    yup. i'm sure we were all calling for colombo to get cut back when his knee wouldn't heal. but he's been a starter his whole career since he left the squadron. would be nice to have that sort of continuity.

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    Columbo has had a nice career since he left the Bears but he was the one that leg whipped Tommie. Tommie was never the same after that injury.

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    I'd say Coumbo's been average, at best, and he's STILL had trouble staying on the field long enough to be a difference maker.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Albert, Columbo has missed 8 games in the last 6 years, I wouldnt call that having trouble staying on the field. Seven of those were in one season. When I've seen him play, hes played well

  • Fantasy Football Championship rounds are here.

    League 1
    MBHAP vs Murph

    League 2
    4Ever85 vs BigDaddy(Yours truly)

    Irish got kicked to the curb in both leagues and Brownie and I split our match ups.

    I vote who ever has the highest point total in the Championship rounds takes home all the marbles.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    I vote for that, as I am going try and beat everyone's score in the next two games even though my team didn't make the playoffs, just to torture myself Martin Luther style.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Ah Hem! (clears throat) Only Winners brackets, no losers allowed.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    Hey, You, MBHAP and Murph had TWO chances (league I and II) to go to the big dance, while I only had ONE chance, and am 11-2 as a rook, and have had 4 running backs go down (Hillis, Best, Hightower, Murray) on top of Gates and Vick shuffling in and out of my lineup.

    I say, I'm bad ass no matter what!

    Shivakamini Somakandarkram!

  • Also, who's in for a DBB Keeper League in 2012?

    MBHAP I think said he'd be in.

    Irish, GP, Murph, Trac, Shady, It Aint Willie?

    Fres (as long as he doesn't lock himself out from his own account), Artoo?


  • Yup, you've had a great run 85, no doubt. You'll get a crack at me this weekend.

  • I hate to say this, but if you are a Bears fan - and you care about your future years as a Bears fan - you have no choice but to...

    hope for a Packer massacre. 44-0 type slaughter in which Hanie and McClown can't even put competitive fire out there, and Bell gets rolled like a wino in the alley. Double digit yards from scrimmage TOTAL. Corey Graham ends up at corner for Jennings, it gets so bad. Meriweather gets ejected for a cheap shot that genuinely ends up as the dirtiest play of the year. That is what you must pull for.

    We are close. So close. The Score and the Trib want Jerry to "retire" and calls for Ted Phillips are coming. It's the best we can do. This season's wagon coming apart has ruined the mcCaskey Christmas, and the Hurd thing is a humiliation to Halas Hall under the new revelation that the Bears may have known this guy was searched by the cops when we was a Cowboy and took him anyhow.

    We are close to regime change. Wholesale. Martz is certainly gone, but it's not enough. Weak sauce can stay, Tice can stay, but Martz will go. And Angelo will go, the Hanie thing cannot be damage controlled any further and the hits are coming fast now.

    A Packers total destruction will be like playing Mortal Combat and getting "FINISH HIM". Only him will be Angelo.

    It's stinky, we have to hold our nose, but I need to pull for a complete Christmas embarrassment by the Chicago Bears, that the McCaskey family cannot abide, to get my present of regime change.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    what if, instead of this christmas massacre, urlacher shatters rodgers' anus and knocks him out for the playoffs. then, with matt flynn at the helm, the cheese is shut out at home in their first playoff game.

    would that be an acceptable outcome?

  • In reply to evantonio:

    how about both evo?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    a 44-0 loss coupled with a broken anus? i can subscribe to that newsletter.

  • In reply to evantonio:

    problem is that's no guarantee the McCaskey's would make a change even with that going down GP

  • In reply to gpldan:

    GP I agree with you in principle but I can never root for a Bears loss. Just can't do it. Esp since there are no guarantees anything would change.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:


  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    It's like that scene in Dark Knight where the Joker wants to see if people will kill each other to save themselves. (Prisoner's Dilemma)

    You MAY get change if we are wiped out badly.

    You WON'T get change if we beat the Pack.

    It is that simple. If you love the thing, you must kill it so that it can be reborn as unholy phoenix.

  • Ok, since the oline seems to be a topic, I’ll give my $.02.

    • Move BJ over to LT – although I have a pit-in-my-stomach feeling that carimi might be a ‘one more hit to that knee and done in the nfl’ guy. I hope not, but it looks that way so far… we HAVE to plan for that possibility
    • Webb needs to be a great option at back up no matter who’s at LT
    • LanceL is our starter at RT without a doubt. He’s proven to be a mauler animal
    • Cookie monster williams has proven to be a solid ass guard. Finally williams, jesus.
    • Spencer did a great job being a solid guy at the other guard spot
    • Garza did commendable job for his first year at one of the most difficult spots on the line, but he’s an average Center who’s old. We need new blood there.

    So, what do we need this offseason? Here’s my personal rundown of what needs to happen in order of importance:
    1. DRAFT - A first round inside olinemen (all you guys saying we can focus elsewhere haven’t watched what happened to us after we lost BJ & Cookie). Either a big/fast mauler guard who can play both sides, or a center who can also play guard if needed. Garza needs to start teaching him up

    2. DRAFT – A second round MLB (vontaz burfict) or FS (The honey badger), whichever position has the best option with the highest value at our pick spot

    3. DRAFT (we have TWO thirds this year!!!) – A third round DB (preferably a big/physical corner) or another Olinemen – whichever is highest value at the spot, and whatever we didn’t take in the second.
    a. Wishful thinking with angelo scenario – trade one of our 3rds and a late round (6th?) to also get our whichever of our DB/LB that we didn’t pick in the second

    4. DRAFT – A fourth round RB or WR – either of these would have to be big bruising guys who turn out to be the next miles austin or leshore. If there isn’t one of those take another tackle or center or DB (whichever looks highest in value)

    5. DRAFT – A Fith round FS or Corner – Focus on the diamond in the rough. Has to be big and physical… and preferably african american (not trying at all to be the least bit racist here, just really tired of sub par white safeties)

    6. DRAFT – Round 6 or 7 if we haven’t used them as tradebait – meh… Whatever. With angelo this is usually a throw away QB from eastern western bumfuck state. Who cares.

    Free Agency:
    - FIRST - Either a real proven Center if one is available (rare), or our big-assed #1 WR. My two guys are still Marshall/Anquan, or we go with a VJack type
    - SECOND – MBL/FS – Whichever is available. We’ve passed on some prime-of-career MLB/FSs in the last two years who went elsewhere to kick ass and stabalize Ds
    - THIRD – Since this is jerry’s favorite hard-on spot to pick and miss on… let’s get that other KNOWN entity to bookend pep. I like $’s pick of mario williams please

    Lastly, why in god’s name would we get rid of barber!??!?! The guy is a fucking football player who’s smashed his head into 260LB linebackers for years and years… why do you expect him to be a Rhodes scholar? He’s a big reason we don’t have goalline/short yardage issues any more for christ’s sake. Blame the coaches for not telling him before the play “RUN OUT OF BOUNDS MONGO!!!”

    Oh, and chris conte should be a nice option at backup FS next year. He reminds me of a white alfalfa.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Meh. Next draft will be the time to draft the best available talent left on the board come our turn. The Bears are getting long in the tooth and it's time to start replenishing the roster. Drafting for position is all fine and dandy but I don't think the Bears will have that luxury. Jerra may be able to draft for position in one, maybe two slots but they will probably have to be in the later rounds. That's my take anyways.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    yeah, that brilliant strategy... you know, the one we use every single fucking year has really served us well huh?

    Trac, you can't be serious man. That exact fucking lame-ass strategy has left us in the exact spot you mention. Holes everywhere, little depth anywhere, pissed away 4th - 7th round picks, three specific areas that have never been solidified.

    Sheesh man. I just don't get it. Al, please queue the qupte about doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Just to give some color to my disdain, here’s an example….

    We need a GOOD FS to be the general back there for a long time coming… instead of targeting one at the top of the draft, jerry invariably takes the ‘value guy’ at DT with knee issues, BUT who can jump out of a pool or bench press a bus.

    See the problem with that brilliant strategy Trac is... our staff has a proven track record of not knowing what the fuck good value is.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    you don't think conte is that guy? i think he showed us enough that he should at least be the incumbent heading into next season. i liked him back there with wright. it's just a matter of wright playing a full gat danged game.

  • In reply to evantonio:

    nope. the FS spot is THE most important back there (besides having guys like pep and lach), and we need a landry type guy who can be our guy for years.

    someone who can cover the pass really well and come up on the run. Conte did really well for a rook, but no... he's not our guy in my mind.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    When I say later rounds, I'm talking 3rd round and below. I'm just being practical MB. That's what teams do in the draft. Almost always they draft best available talent in round 1,2 and 3.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    Look no further than the Patsy's.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Last year was the first time in 3 years the Bears had 1st and 2nd round picks. Carimi(Best available talent) was a no brainer as he wasn't supposed to fall to us. Peae(I think this was a needs pick cause I don't think he was anywhere near BAT) and was a reach position pick in my opinion, Conte was a solid best available talent pick and alot of people here poo pooed him when the Bears drafted him. Sometimes when drafting for best available talent team's are also able to fill needs but that's not always the case.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    problem is trac that our tallent evaluators have proven not to be good at their jobs, so filling for value kinda goes out the door.

    Also, you simply CAN'T adopt that strategy when you've had glaring holes that keep losing games for you for years (not games YEARS).

    We need to fill those KNOWN gaps first, then we can have the luxury of letting JA and rusky piss away 'value' picks on dartboard guesses.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    MB I would be thrilled if your scenario played out. However, we desperately need WR's and should be a draft priority. I know the accepted line of thinking is WR's don't develop until their 3rd year but we are so hurting at that position we have to seek every avenue to address it.

    Also, I much prefer Louis at guard. Maybe he's dinged up but he's been a liability the last few games.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    no way canada... no way take a WR first. When guys like vjack, bowe and a sheite load of proven guys will be available for cash, it would be silly to gamble on a high-draft WR. Yeah, you might get a guy like AJ Green, but you might also get a guy like hayward-bay. No way... I say. Interior olinmen please.

    LL was awesome at RT maing. He's playing really hurt. Check his games before and then after the SD game. I have no doubt he's our starting RT next year.... move BJ to left.

    BJ, Williams, Garza, Spencer, Louis

    That is a decent line as-is... without much depth, but the weakest link there is garza. So we need interior guys next year. At least one draft and one FA.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    if he signs a stud wr, i'm fine ignoring this need in the opening rounds of the draft. last thing we need is another juan iglesias.

  • In reply to evantonio:

    that's what free agency is for evan.

    You know what you're paying for (most of the time).

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    let's just hope JA doesn't stumble into a Bernard Berrian WR FA signing.

  • In reply to evantonio:

    evan...BiQueens shit the bed with that one...BB was never what all the hype was....I think the best thing for the Bears was to let his ass go.

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    totally agree. at the time i was pissed he was gone (so fast! such a nice smile!), but never did i think the bears should have matched the offer. way too much for a guy who had yet to prove anything.

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    damn it. hit "comment" too quickly. was going to add:

    but i think us signing omelette was the football god's saying, "well boys, you dodged a bullet with berrian, but your uppance has come."

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    MB we haven't been able to do 7-step drops all year because of a leaky line. Even 5-step drops are iffy. Once we get behind, we're fucked beyond belief. Any time a team (usually 3-4 teams) mixes it up and blitz's us, it's usually a jail break. Jay masked a ton of those issues. Once teams found out we liked to use misdirection and sweeps, that hasn't been very effective. The last few games before Matt got hurt, he wasn't exactly setting the world on fire. Louis is probably hurt but he has looked like crap the last few weeks. Webb always has trouble with speed guys. Carimi may end up being great but right now I'm not feeling too optimistic about him. Cookie, Spencer, Williams and Louis at OG has been better than expected. Garza has done a nice job (certainly better than Olin) but unless we sign Spencer long term, we'll need a replacement in the next couple of years.

  • In reply to MB30SD:


  • In reply to MB30SD: response to this post and previous thread:

    • Move BJ over to LT – I really question that move bra….with the knee situation his mobility and speed have been compromised.

    • Webb …this fucker has how many penalties for false starts…really FUCK ME!!!!
    • LanceL is our starter at RT without I still have question
    • Cookie monster williams out all the seasons how many times has this bitch been hurt? O btw…First round tackle remember…FUCK ME!!!!
    • Spencer backup because I see this being a soon to be Orlando Pace year
    • Garza agree about the getting old
    1. DRAFT - agree to a point I would like to go FA
    2. DRAFT – agree
    3. DRAFT agree
    4. DRAFT – agree
    5. DRAFT – agree
    6. DRAFT – agree
    Free Agency:
    agree on all FA
    Agree on Barbarian..don’t get the hate on him…Denver game was not all on him
    Tee hee hee ,,,white alfafa

  • Talk of the draft has left me wanting to vomit. I can't stomach even thinking about another fucked up draft.

    On the other hand, Mario Williams has me giddy. I fear he'll be franchised, but if not, we MUST get him. I wonder too, could this be why Jerra left so much room under the cap? He wanted to save money for Williams next year?

    I'd also be happy with one big playmaking (not Roy Williams) receiver. I want a Boldin type. Plain and Simple.

    In the blasted meantime while I wait for my wife to pop, I seem to be alone in my stance of:


    Any other talk is sacrilege and treason.

  • DOC!! fuck maing. Tic tock.

    Go baby!

  • Doc I'm with ya about draft talk during the season but ... I don't see any scenario where we beat the Fudgies but I'll be watching until it's over.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Oh, it aint gonna happen. I'm just saying to root for anything else is treason. I think we agree on that.

  • It is treason, I grant you. I am therefore Benedict Arnold.

    Because instead of George Washington, we have Jerry Angelo. Alas, Angelo is wounded, his career is hanging by a thread in these dark days.

    And, a win against the Packers would allow him to hang on. And we... must... not....!!!!!!!!!!

  • god is most certainly not fair:,0,5131436.story

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Anyone that makes a bet like that deserves the outcome. I can't believe he got a tramp stamp. If it were me, that tat would have been on a butt cheek. Never to see the light of day.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    dipshit...I would of had it tattooed on my every time I took a shit it would remind me of Belichick... what a shit-stain

  • Giants, Chargers, Seahawks, Raiders, Titans, Chiefs and Eagles, Washington.

    Those are the teams we should root for because they could pass us in the draft order.

    No matter what happens, we'll be in the middle 10. No matter what happens, there are at least 12 teams (including the Vikings, who are still in the running for the #1 pick) that cannot beat our record, and 12 teams in the playoffs we won't be passing.

    So if I'm looking at a our first round pick and hearing calls for "OL OL OL" behind me, I'm still wondering if anyone would complain if we picked up:

    Zack Brown - Outside Linebacker from NC that projects well into our defensive schem.

    Quinton Coples: DE out of North Carolina; explosive getting into the backfield, #1 D-line prospect in the off-season.

    Dre Kirkpatrick - CB out of Alabama; caught a ton of INTs in the elite SEC; physical tools to provide run support.

    Alfonzo Dennard - CB at Nebraska; true shut down corner, but skill set projects well into zone systems; likely still on the board in our range.

    Michael Floyd - WR out of Notre Dame; top 10 talent at 6'3", but some character and hamstring issues may drop him into the right target range.

    Alshon Jeffery - WR out of South Carolina. Elie SEC WR type, 6'4" former basketball player with great hands; root running is the biggest concern, but likely more of a vertical guy if he shows he has the legs at the combine.

    Luke Kuechly - Inside LB out of Boston College; true leader type with similar athletic ability ot Lach; probably not an amazing pass coverage guy, but definitely aggressive in pursuing the football.

    The obvious first choices to help the offense, if they fall to us, are:

    David DeCastro - OG from Stanford, great at pulling for runs, very football smart.

    Jonathan Martin - Left tackle from Stanford, excellent football skils but requires more upper-body strength to excel; great downhill skills.

    I ignored the obvious top 10 guys when I made this list. Our 1st round pick will likely be one of these guys (notice I did not list any DT or RB prospects?) Given the prospects actually available, are people still convinced we go O-line in the first round?

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    I'm OK with any of those guys as long as they don't suck.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:


  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    I am. Definitely an inside oline guy for rd 1.

    Fuck man, we're almost there with the line, we need to maintain focus. What is the core of any offense? Correct, the oline.

    FA #1 WRs have been a dime a dozen in the last couple years, and will be again this year. I MIGHT be convinced that we should pick up a MLB in rd1 to replace lach IFF the very obvious choice falls into our lap... otherwise inside oline.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Personally, I don't think Kuechly is that guy. He seems like a great leader and a solid starter on 20+ teams next season, but I think he'll project better in 3-4 sets where he can lead the team in tackles on running plays. But LB is a position of need and he would be a quality selection giving his athleticism and character.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    And here's the problem with OL or bust. Both of those Stanford guys are great in college, but they are both small for the pros. I'm not a college watcher, but my understanding is that that has hurt Stanford this year as teams try to attack Luck. I can turn a blind eye to those facts, but if I'm trying to hit a home run with every first round pick, I don't want to draft a maybe.

    If I'm uncomfortable with those guys in round 1, I'd rather pick elsewhere and take one of the several undersized guards that will be available in round 2 or 3. Its the same risk from a less famous program, and I can still get my home run in round 1.

    I agree with you that OL is a priority and you need to focus on what you're building for the offense, but you can't waste a first round pick with tunnel vision.

    To an extent, that's what has happened to our D-Line; we have a ton of talent there, but not 3 or 4 elite guys. If we don't draft Paea last year (and he's a solid guy in the rotation mind you), we maybe got Moffett from Wisconsin and our need at guard is solved. And we wouldn't have needed to trade the extra pick. So that's two picks that went on a solid player, but we're in exactly the same spot with D-Line we were before drafted him - we're good at DT, but not great.

    If we draft Martin (just for example), and he's decent but not great, we'll have three decent but not great left tackles and really still be looking to pick up our long term starter. O-line is a position where we need some depth, but do you use a 1st round pick for depth?

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    If we had gotten Moffit we have had two O-lineman with knee issues.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    If I'm drafting for position, I'm probably taking Floyd at WR or one of the OL guys.

    If I'm drafting for value, I think a couple of these D guys project to start for us for a long time and are more of a sure thing in the pros than either reciever or either OL guy.

    My top choice? If I'm the GM, I'm asking Tice if he thinks Martin has the juice to be an elite left tackle (translation: better than Webb or Carimi in his rookie year). If not, I'm asking Lovie which corner he likes best, cause we probably won't get an elite corner in another draft for a while, and we need some quality depth at that position.

  • does anyone give a shit about the bowl games this year? Sheesh.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    MB...I gave you a rebuttal for your .02...I do agree on the OL..OL..OL (draft & FA) but I question about what we have for our line today....

  • In reply to MB30SD:


  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Bowl games? What are bowl games?

  • I imagine it's what you play most nights when you get home.


  • This is the shit just make me PISSED!!!!,0,5557730.story

    Does any one fucking vet players in Bears Management?

  • Does this sound anything like the BS we were getting early in the season? I get teams don't want to give away too much info but ...

    "My experience with guys that come off these severe injuries like Gabe has is you really don't want to have a plan to introduce him until you look at him and watch him on the practice field," Tice said at the time. "As soon as he gains that confidence in that leg, obviously he'll be back on the field."

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    the whole cloak and dagger shit is what pisses me off. Who's choice was that fucking "Glitchy" to save face, and telling Bear Jew just to stay quite?

    I mean how long was he questionable to play and then may play and then another surgery and now another surgery...I'm no conspiracy guy but... Fuck Me on this one....

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    I seconded that emotion above before I saw your post , lobo.
    You're preachin' to the choir on this one.

  • In reply to lobotobear:


  • well, tough couple of weeks. But, if we somehow beat the Smegma and put Rodgers on IR..... aahhh....serenity now....
    Hard to imagine Hanie getting the nod again after the multi-debacles. I've read the above posts about how we should fold to get the attention on the front office to make changes. Don't agree with that fully. I understand the thought, but if we finish 8-8 that feels a helluva lot better than 7-9. We really need a stud WR, and V-Jack would be the man, not sure what other WRs will be FA -- where is that listed ? Can't see Roy brick-hands Williams coming back. Too bad, the dude just is not clutch. And one more thing...Rodgers Dead.

  • MB...possible 2nd rounder if "glitchy can get him?

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    or maybe this:

    the part I like is under Intangibles:
    Intangibles: Plays with the nastiness offensive line coaches love. Willing to back up teammates on the field. Arrested for public intoxiation, avoiding arrest in July 2008 after leading Iowa City police on a 20-minute chase on foot.

    I could see "Glitchy" saying..."hmm interesting a 20 minute chase for a big man...that's pretty athletic"...

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    Hilarious. I've been to Iowa City about a million times. A 20 minute chase on foot should have you out of town.

  • Keeping Big Ben in that game in the 4th down 20-3 last night was absolutely, mind-numbingly, ignorant or the Steelers.

  • Watching Asamoah develop for the Chiefs has solidified my belief that you need 1-2 seasons to war test a OL before you can start him. Call it the Marc Columbo school of thought,.

    So, for those who want to build our OL via draft, I ask you to watch Asamoah's development at LG for the Chiefs. Can't do it. Even Carmini struggled badly in that Saints game before they knocked him out.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    GP....great observation

  • In reply to gpldan:

    There are the true greats (I keep using Jake Long as an example) that can be plugged in and started right away but I agree with you. Most guys need to (a) learn a lot more about football, (b) get a lot stronger in the off-season, and (c) get used to the speed of the competition. That takes time.

    Which is one reason the jury is still out on Webb and Carimi and Louis at tackle. Its also out on Williams at guard - he played great this year before the freak accident. I'm willing to forget any preconcieved notions or bad history if any of these guys can become a solid starter on our line long term.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    here's my issue... are we, for the 3rd year in a row, going to have to endure shitty oline performance through the first 3-5 games until they start to (fucking) 'gel'? God I hate that word now.

    When are these guys going to just play flat out from the start. Yeah, yeah... I know they were shuffled a lot, but fuck me. How about some stability and consistency from the start.

    Thus... get us 1 or 2 guys in the draft and one guy in FA.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    MB...I would flip that....... 2 guys FA and then one in the draft...I would rather pay for something I know will work...well sheite I think we vetted Sam Hurd and you see how that worked out for us.....

    aww FUCK ME!!!! these clowns don't even know how to gage talent....

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    not sure there'll be 2 really good guys at the price we'd pay. At some point lobo, we HAVE to start building from the bottom up with new high draft guys who'll be with us for years.

    Yes, I know that's a huge gamble with angelo ding the draftin, but we can't keep building shit on shit (software world saying that means you don't build new code on old shitty code... house of cards ((i.e., this year))))

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I know MB.....but it's Christmas and I thought I would ask baby jebus(my favorite of all the jebuses) give a little love for us Bear Fans....

  • How about that Niners D?

    Jimmy H has 'em playin.

  • In reply to gpldan:


    Here's a question for you guys....

    would you take jimmy for lovie straight up at end of season?

    (have I asked this before?)

  • In reply to MB30SD: know my answer.....but I am starting to think that the shit rolls down and the top of this heap is "Glitchy" with that in mind LDL has made a silk purse out of a sows ear.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    You asked that question before.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    damn it. sorry guys. must be getting old

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    In a heart beat! I like guys that show their emotion. Lovie always standing there looking stupid, drives me nuts! You never know if we are winning or losing when the cameras are on him. Harbaugh has done a great job coaching where ever he has gone. He is definitely a better coach than he was a QB

  • what the....

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    can that create a new O-Line for us?

  • I just had to chuckle at this:

    I'm sure he's thinking "Fuck Me" if I have to go in with this shit ass O-line....I just want to collect my check till the end of the year...

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    and MB..this is why I HATE FUCKING WEBB!!!!!!! from the same article:

    McCown scrambled for five yards on his first play, but the play was called back because of a holding penalty on J’Marcus Webb.

  • here you go MB...VINDICATION IS YOURS BROTHER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    fuck you "glitchy"

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    sorry MB for the fat "f"ing fingers recopying the thread $@#%$!@$#!@%$#!@%$#!@%$!@$!!!!!!

    but as you can see fuck you "Glitchy" is the best part

  • Let's do playoff prods:

    AFC WC:

    Bengals at Pats
    Steelers at Broncos

    NFC WC:

    Lions at Niners
    Falcons at Giants

  • In reply to gpldan:

    i'm hoping cowboys over giants. but that's just cause i live in ny and i sure as shit don't want to see my giants fan friends having any reasons to smile.

  • Say it aint so Willie

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    Jesus, this season is getting fucking ugly.

    Sweetness and Willie taken down a notch.

    Cutler, BearJew, Knox nearly paralyzed, Rex F'en Hanie...

    GB favored to repeat...


  • The Hurd, Barber and Roy fuck ups...uggh, I need a strong eggnog...

  • Here you go $:

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Yeah, that's how I felt after watching Hanie, Barber, Roy and company....

    BTW, I no longer crave strong eggnog...

  • yep. thought so. That one dude drank a LOT of eggnog.

  • WHY are we going to give McCown a shot to start?

    Start Enderle. He sucks balls, but hey, at least he's going to be here next year.

    If McCown starts this weekend, that means we're seriously considering making him our back-up next season.


    I want a REAL fucken QB who has actually won in the league.

  • new thread and the pic says it all...

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