Weekend Show! Featuring Lions Beat Man Dave Birkett of the Detroit Free-Press

Weekend Show! Featuring Lions Beat Man Dave Birkett of the Detroit Free-Press

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Steelers 3 BENGALS

CHIEFS 3 Broncos

Jaguars 3 COLTS


Texans 3 BUCS


DOLPHINS 3.5 Redskins

Saints 1 FALCONS

BROWNS 2.5 Rams

EAGLES 14 Cardinals

Ravens 6.5 SEAHAWKS

49ERS 3.5 Giants

BEARS 1.5 Lions

JETS 2 Patriots

PACKERS 13.5 Vikings

The Brothers: Jon (18-8-1), Jeff  (16-10-1), Chris (16-10-1)

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NOTE ON PICKS CONTEST: The regular season for the Picks Contest will end on Monday night, December 5th.  You must have at least two (2) perfect weeks to advance to the postseason.  The postseason will be a lot of fun.

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  • First time I've been this ready to kick some ass... ok, that's not true, but...

  • btw, I've had my eye on this for my new office Jeff:

    Sweeeeet. Maybe I'll ask for it for Christmukkah this year.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    oh, and I have a question for the chicago bears org...

    Why in THEE hell do you have anyone else but Jim Cornelison sing the NA at our home games is so beyond me it's just ridiculous. I mean who in thee hell wants to hear Brittany spears (or whoeverthefuck) brutalize our national pride?

    There’s an opty to create a real tradition here… and you’re blowing that too. I bet if you asked the fans Jim would be the man every game hands down.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    plus bring back the "Honeybears"...DAMN-IT!!!!

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    I strongly second that on lobo!!!

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    that would be "one" not on.

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    Affirmative. Can't show up at the Superbowl with no Honeys.

  • waaaaa


  • saw that what a beyouch......

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    not you coach as a beyouch...mean ti to babaybabin.

  • "It was legal but it gave me an owwie. Stop it, mean man Martz."

    Babin is, ironically, chickenshit.

  • I loved the line "Technically it's legal but ...."

    Be-atch poo-say.

  • Peppers and Hester have not practiced this week.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Al......I think peppy is good to go, but do not know about Hes...did he tweak the ankle?

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    Roger that, Lobo and as I stated on game night, when players go down when nobody touches them, I get VERY concerned.

    I won't be surprised to see Peppers but WILL be surprised to see Hester on Sunday.




  • Bears +1.5
    Ravens +6.5
    Texans +3

  • Wow, just wow. Watch this whole thing.

    That dude is the biggest roided out meathead I think I've ever seen... and I've seen MANY. My god, dude's like that are what I didn't like about a football life. What a dbag.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Just look at his stats MB, biggest indication of how much of a roider he is. Spiralling downwards since he got suspended.

  • In reply to DYLbear23:

    but at least his arms looks sweet 'on the camera' DY

  • In reply to MB30SD:


    that's what it's all about.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Is he the illegitimate son Bill Romanaski?

    I typed this into google, try it, see what pops up

    "linebacker for broncos + dirty player"

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    What an incredible asshole. And who takes their helmet off to nut a guy .... who's also wearing a helmet ? What a spoon.

  • He thought he was in the UFC for a second:

  • Hester I have to put as highly doubtful.
    Pep I would put between questionable and probable.
    With Pep we get pressure, even when he's not the guy pressuring.
    I hope Melton continues to have that fire in his belly.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    yeah, still trying to figure out how in thee fuck he sprained his own ancle.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    We'll smash the Kitties without special teams, hell they can kick it to Lovie and we'll still rip them a new one.

  • BradBiggsabout an hour ago#Bears rookie RT Gabe Carimi will undergo arthroscopic knee surgery

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Scrape scrape go the bone chips..

  • In reply to gpldan:


  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I bet it hurts like hell.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    i'm not a doctor but i have played one on tv and that my friends is not good.

  • damn...just had a bad feeling from the beginning when you just never heard how progress was....well there goes our depth on O-line...I'm sure omlette is relieved he's still getting a paycheck .


  • Bears -1.5
    Bucs +3
    Cardinals +14

    Bear down, kids!

  • Steelers

  • lovely:

  • So, I'm listening to Monday's game again on NFL FIELD PASS. This time, the Westwood One feed.

    It's amazing to listen to the different braodcasts.

    The Eagle crew was pretty even-handed and often impressed with Cutler but man, on the Westwood Feed with Kevin Harlan and Boomer Esison it's is just a litany of criticism from Boomer.

    What a tool.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:


  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    boomdog right?

  • this you?

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    tee hee hee.................... just kidding brah!

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    hahaha.... no, but that first comment made me LOL

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    me too..scroll down and there are sweet nuggets.

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    The funniest comment;

    If I was that lady, I would said “time to pay your charge for night”…Kingpin Style.

    That one really made me laugh. I've done some stupid stuff when I was drunk but managed not to get my pic in newspaper.

  • As a wise man once said, "Stay classy, San Diego".

  • Funny:

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    now some of that was funny sheite!!!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Forget the signs - I'm buying a "I'm a goat" t-shirt today!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Didn't Robin Hood fight against the Sheriff and the King, the tax collectors?



    Google, you are amazing.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    What makes that sign even funnier to a notorious tightwad like that t-shirt is $20! Who the hell pays $20 for a t-shirt and then puts an anti-capitalist sign together that specifically criticizes consumerism, while wearing the t-shirt?

    Shaking my head.

    Should've at least shelled out the $34.95 for the hoody.
    I can accept paying $35 for a hoody.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    here you go MBP...a fuckdodgers shirt or the pecker heads

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    and only 9.99! lol

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    they will be sold out in Peckerland WI aka Greenbay

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    They'd keep trying to run full-speed into a cow's anus.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:


  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    that visual was reasonably amusing

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Veni Vidi then made a joke about something running head-first into a cow's butthole while wearing a ball on t-shirt.
    I do what I can, MB30.

    I was thinking,
    Why are people at Chargers games so pissed off? You guys have fantastic weather. I don't get all the anger. I thought the economy in SD was in pretty good shape, too.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    how many times have they gotten to the first round? How many times have they gotten to the second or beyond?

    That should answer your question right there. Water, water everywhere but not a drop to drink.

    btw, I'm not angry at all. The weather is... rad... and the economy is getting better. The housing market is in the crapper, but hey, the weather is freaking awesome. The beautiful people MBP… SD was voted #2 in the nation for beautiful people... god knows I’m doing my part. You’re welcome San Diego.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    besides they are high maintenance with silly expectations... they vacillate between really anger that the chargers don't get to the super bowl every year, and giving a smaller fuck than a midget... depending on said weather.

    Basically, we're like a society of kardashians down here.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I'm buying this:

  • In reply to MB30SD:


  • Bears

  • OK, the transition music directly following the interview with the Detroit News gentleman.. Somewhat organish with another instrument that sounded like a mix between a harpsichord and a 12 string guitar. It only lasted for a second, what was that wonderful music?

  • Jags
    The Beloved

  • this one's for doc... god math jokes are hilarious:

    ...aren't they?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    jesus there's more than one... I actually like this one:

  • this zombie stuff is getting out of hand... I'm almost sorry I've been fanning the flames so vigorously lately. Almost.

  • I can't stop... someone stop me.

    This is for... GP was it?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

  • Maybe the stabbing was Raidah fan putting a fucking fork in the Chargers. Cause they are done.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    If you are the Chargers and you cannot beat Raidah Nation at your own castle - then you suck. They lost three key defenders last night, including Takeo Spikes, and this is their 4th loss in a row.


  • In reply to gpldan:

    yep. I'll be surprised if norv lives past this year. High expectations that AJ Smith.

  • Kinda long, but a good read.

  • As Julia Kennedy, Fencik's long-distance girlfriend, puts it, "Gary has all kinds of friends.

    Duhhhh.... yeah.

  • Nice read, Coach.

  • Big daddy Trac, I think your picks are minuses not pluses. If not the Packers are at +13.5

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    Thanks Murph. I guess the grand poohbar will figure it out.

  • Broncos +3
    Bills +5.5
    Vikings +13.5

  • Hey Jefe, I picked the Packers, Ravens, and Bears Last week. You may have missed it because i made the picks towards the end of the morning games....

  • i looked up carimi's surgery technique and it's results
    debridement is not that successfull
    sucking out the loose pieces; and smoothing out some rough scar tissue from previous injuries; will only be a temporary fix if it even gives him some relief
    my freind at work warned me of this when we drafted him; and it looks like we are getting just what he predicted
    he needs rest and a good period of it; sadly

    but he is a pro and tough so I do believe that he will give it his best shot, trying to play
    i read that martz expects hester to play...think i saw that on espn chicago?
    and peppers was supposed to practice today and i think he did

    sadly for me it looks like rootin' tootin' wont be on board this weekend ....crap the one guy I really want to see make it is still in the back seat lookin' out the window; dreamin' of better days
    OH WELL! you can't have it all

  • turn away if you hold a accounting/finance degree or marketing degree
    it is just one hippies opinion here and certainly not gospel or always found to be true
    now i hate 'ISMS' but, that rant about college students dumb decisions......pretending you're a socialist

    I must say that the school I attended was changing it's base from a teachers college to a business school

    and I have said this before; and will reiterate it again
    the accountancy/finance majors; and the marketing majors
    were the most self centered bunch of ass hole bastards;
    that I have encountered in my lifetime
    who ever coined the term egotist
    had these pricks in mind
    and i got the creeps being in the room with them

    they raped and pilaged for their own personal gain
    and protected their turf; and each others back
    if you were one of them..... they shared
    if you weren't you got shut out
    no other opinions mattered
    if things were being passed around the circle for community enjoyment
    they always played the "bogart"
    till it was almost always used up

    now I have no idea how these individual turned out
    but, if I was the rev. ; cursing and ranting about dumb decision that college students made..........
    i would have mentioned pretending to be a capitalist; as the stupider of the 2 options

  • In reply to huntinbare:

    As Bill Hicks used to say ... "If anyone here is in advertising or marketing ... .kill yourself ... no it's not a joke, there's no punchline here .... kill yourself."

    Both socialism and capitalism have some sound fundamentals, but since everything has been replaced by corporatism and serfdom to banks, it's all moot anyway.

    "It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning."

    -Henry Ford

  • In reply to huntinbare:

    i really just threw this into the stew for some of the players to gnaw on
    seems everybody can't wait for sunday's game; and figured that a liitle pressure release would be good
    in the middle is where I find something that works for everyone
    simply put without all the wax; MB
    i thought it was the capitalists that should have been dabbling insocialism a bit while being a student
    and the socialists that should have been a bit more industrious;
    and dabbled in a bit o' the hard work, and earned their way through school
    gotta go
    the 1% needs their mail

  • Coach, that was unreal. Nice find.

    Boom... fucking BOOM: "Of course, what Fencik doesn't mention is that he knew where the pass was going and that a blitz wouldn't have worked, and that great free safeties are paid, ultimately, to be out of position."

    Ahhhh... the days of the truly whitebread safety is long gone.

  • He's an idiot who contradicts himself (and garza) like three times, but here it is... peter king is now on our bandwaggon. Welcome peter, pull up a hotdog, or 10.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Schlereth & Brusci are along for the ride too. Schlereth couldn't stop singing The Jay Cutler Fan Theme Song. It was all rather dizzying.

  • add this to the crushing loss to us this weekend and the lions are in for a bad time all around

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    fuck is a suggestion...

    Coking Whitney Houston and lame Boobie Brown can do a duet...

    maybe Ike & Tina Turner kicking the shit out of each other...hey wait that might be good for Suh?

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    Hey Lobo, I know you're kidding but Ike died last year. I think Tina would be doing all the kicking (probably OK with Tina). One of my best friends has a lot of pets and is a total music freak. He had a pair of Lovebirds named Ike and Tina.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    did the male one beat the shit out of the female one Canada?

  • jesus christ:

  • get the zetas gang on the perp:


  • Bears

  • Other than the Bears/Lions game, I really don't feel very comfortable with any of the other matchups. That being said:

    Texans -3
    DOLPHINS -3.5
    BEARS -1.5

  • A WWII Veteran's day bedtime story

    My father served on the USS Callaghan during the war
    he grew up dirt poor in the italian ghettos of Chicago
    in his senior year of H.S. he dropped out in Dec. and lied his way into service
    his family needed $ and his older brothers were already in the coast guard

    The Callaghan was a Fletcher class destroyer
    and provided support for fleets in the pacific theater
    eventually the Callaghan became the last ship in the war to be sunk by a japanese kamikazee

    during one of the battles it shot down an enemy plane that had a pilot and one other crew member
    the pilot survived the dowwning of his aircraft; and clung, wounded to its wing
    the Callaghan launched a boat; to retrieve the injured japanese pilot; and brought him onboard
    the ships doctor did what he could for his wounds; and he was later transfered to a hospital ship; treated and then was off to pearl harbor
    After the war, the surviving crew of the Callaghan met every year; for a long weekend
    my father and mother attended as often as they could.
    And it was a memorable time, that they both got great pleasure from reliving memories that shaped their whole lives
    That japanese pilot they shot down, and rescued; went on to become a very wealthy business man; expanding the family business worldwide
    one year as he was on a business trip in Wash. D.C.;
    he took the time to stop by the Naval War Memorial
    It was around lunchtime when he got there; and his intent was, to go inside, and try research archives to determine who it was that saved his life that day.
    There was a sailor from the Callaghan, who worked in the memorial; and would spend his lunchtime resting outside the memorial; enjoying the fountains in the afternoon sun

    It was on his lunchbreak; that the Japanese pilot/ businessman approached him; and asked if he could find out what ship picked him up from the sea on that fatefull day
    Now to get that type of information, the usual multi media equipment set up on display; would not have yielded an answer to his question
    but, the Callaghan, midshipman was able to take him behind the scenes, to a more complete set of records; that would provide an answer
    The pilot shared the day and details from his memory; and the research yielded what the sailor suspected
    It was the Callaghan that shot his plane down; and saved his life

    The pilot and sailor were stunned, by this simple twist o.f fate
    The midshipman invited him to that years reunion which, the pilot attended
    that evening; which was on his tab; the pilot took all the surviving sailor's into a room and told them this:
    when he was in the water and near his own death; he feared being picked up by the launch; because, he was told by his superiors, that if he was ever captured by the american forces; he would be subjected to the most horrible torture, before being put to death

    instead he found that every american he encountered on his journey back to good health; and eventually to his homeland
    treated him with the utmost care and concern for his well being
    He was eternally gratefull; and his perspective on humanity altered forever.

    celebration with their spouses

  • In reply to huntinbare:

    Great story and not an exception to the rule. I've been told by a few who knew that quite a number of WWII German POWs who were in stateside camps fought like hell to actually stay in the US rather than be returned to Germany after the war....

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    Of course, maybe that had more to do with the state of the Fatherland after the war....

  • In reply to huntinbare:

    Great story, huntin - thank you for sharing that.

  • In reply to huntinbare:

    My father served in WWII on the USS Guadacanal off the coast of N.Africa and was involved in the capture of the U505 that now resides at the Museum of Science and Industry just up the street from you know where.
    2 brothers were Nam vets..2 brother in laws that served on the USS Nimitz, the youngest is still in and is a Commander based in D.C.
    My eldest son is currently getting his discharge from the Ill.National Guard after 9yrs and tours in Iraq and Afganistan. Dang we got a bunch of Vets.

  • In reply to MaddBearfan:

    Tip o' the hat to you & yours, MBF.

  • In reply to huntinbare:

    Good on ya for sharing that one, Huntin'.

  • In reply to huntinbare:

    Hunti, that is an awesome story man. Thanks for sharing.

    It also really brings home the human element to war. No matter which side you're on (and as hard as it can be to see it at the time), it is real people on both sides that are fighting for something. I feel like today, with the media machine and undeclared wars (i.e. "actions"), regular people are distanced from this human cost -- both of those we kill (and the civilians put under hardship) as well as of our own wounded or traumatized soldiers.

    I thank our vets for their service, and hope our idiot politicians and bureaucrats can do their duty and give them the proper support, treatment, and recognition they deserve.

  • Bandwagon is starting to fill up:

  • In the meantime, there is a retarded Lions fan on one of the dead threads, verbally masturbating about how great the Lions are. He evidently hates foreigners too. He seems like a real charmer.
    Just got a chuckle out of him shouting in an empty room.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    MBP, what MN college? Winona?

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    I went to Gustavus Adolphus, about an hour and a half southwest of the Cities.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    Hey Fifth, would happen to know anyone by the name Christopherson in Winona?

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    Help a friend of mine move into Winona..long weekend,,lots-o-work and lots-o-Old Style. I paid homage as we passed the brewery in LaCrosse on the way back to Naperville. Don't remember much except Winona and that whole area was absolutely gorgeous.

  • In reply to MaddBearfan:

    It is.

  • In reply to MaddBearfan:

    MaddBear, it is a beautiful area. When your on the river it's even better. There are areas that are 5-7 miles wide, and the views are incredible.
    Artoo, I live in La Crosse, and don't really know anyone in Winona. I fish up there once in a while though.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    It won't be empty in a minute Mike, which thread and how far down ?

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    It was the last one; at the tail end, I believe.

  • Saints

  • Penn State has hired a new administrator of ethics. That should solve the problem.
    The city I live in has 410 "workers", minus teachers. The city also has 150 "administrators" / "bosses" / pencil pushers. That's less than 2.5 workers for every "boss". What do these people do?
    Why is k-12 education so expensive? Why is it failing? Why can't poor teachers be fired? With so much money being spent on education, why does very large portions of it never see the classroom?
    For the answer, see above. Why don't union teachers see this? Before Federal Welfare was reformed under Bill Clinton, about 89% of the money never made it to the recipients. It went to the administration of the money. It's a cycle. Too many college students have no real skills, so they become sociology majors that contribute nothing to society. On average, they are very stupid people. They increase the bureaucracy and perpetuate it in their own self-interest, at the taxpayers expense.
    How many government union employees hire union workers for remodeling of their house, to fix the plumbing, to put on a new roof or redo the driveway, etc? I would guess close to none.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    Yes, indeedy....for every hot news topic, there's a life-sucking bureacracy just raging to be born.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    Here, you'll REALLY like this one.....

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    Let me focus in on one point here in depth -
    Unionized teachers are not the problem. They are not the cost-drivers in escalating K-12 costs. The biggest factor? You touched on it yourself - too many non-teaching administrators relative to the number of teachers in the classroom. Why is that? Good question. It probably is not unrelated to the sheer volume, and highly inefficient methods, of testing that goes on, as well as the American schizophrenia when it comes to achievement versus egalitarianism, in the classroom. We want everyone to be great including the future road crews of America.
    Another cause for our escalating K-12 costs has to be the obsession with gold-plating every aspect of student participation nowadays. In my junior high days, we ran on a cinder track and had a computer lab. When I went to high school, we had multiple PC labs and a cushioned, lit track around a finely groomed football field. Now, you are not hard-pressed to find a school where laptops are available from the school district and the school has its own swimming pool. I want the best for my daughter in her education. That means, I want my school district paying top dollar to the best available teachers and giving them the right tools, not the most expensive ones, to empower their students. Not every student is going to earn straight A's or score 1600's on their SATs (it pisses me off to no end that my SAT score from 1992 is now relatively easy to achieve under their new scoring system).
    The best ROI in education is a library card, not a football field.

    So, I get your frustration. But it's not like teacher salaries or retention are the problem. There are far too few of them and their salaries are, believe it or not, too low for the task.
    I doubt we disagree on that.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    A good education is not related to class size - this is a western-based myth. In India your typical class size could be 90 students, and this in no way cuts down on their students who go on to get Masters degrees and PhDs. A good education comes from having good teachers.

    Pay teachers more, spend less on the other shit = better students.

    My $0.02.

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    Spot on Irish. It's what is being taught, not how many kids in the class. American public high schools are at least 4 years behind most other countries curriculum in reading, math, history, geography and science.

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    We totally disagree on the class size thing and that metric is a poor one.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Your comment made me ponder this.
    There are probably 80% of the students in a typical classroom of average income children for which the amount of individual attention they receive from the teacher will make no substantive difference in their achievement scores. I won't go so far as to say it won't make any difference in their educational experience, but it may not be quantifiable.
    But class size ratio for the upper 10% and lowest 10%, I guarantee you, makes an enormous impact on the outcome of their experiences.
    Do you think you do a better or worse job conveying class material to 20 children or 90 children? How about in each age cohort (teens vs. 7 yr olds)? What about moderating social conflicts or any of the other stuff that come with?

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    let's not trade studies. The literature on this is split down the middle, as opposed to something like climate change.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    did you just tell yourself that yourself doesn't want to trade studies with... yourself?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Yes, that would narcissistic of me.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    To be honest I thought smaller class size would be the key to a better education until precisely last week when the founder of the university I work at shared an idea with me over his lunchtime noodles - Dr. Vipandh Roengpithya, interesting guy. Anyway, he was saying that in poorer countries, huge class sizes are the norm, especially in Asia. The smart kids sit up the front, and the others teach up the less smart ones down the back. They realise that education is their only way out, so they all want to get their learn-on. In Asia, it's up to the children to go out and earn money for their parents and look after them until they die - unlike the west, where the parents raise their kids and then their kids bleed them dry and basically bail on them and leave them to their own devices.

    Kids that want to learn will learn, but it's the teacher who is crucial in all of this. My average class size is ten or less. It's an expensive place to go, very expensive. As a result, all of the kids are from privileged backgrounds, apart from those that are on scholarships - Dr. Vip is a decent bloke and so about 25% of the kids are on scholarships. But the rich kids couldn't give a toss about education, they're daddies have money and they know they're life will not be affected by their results. They're already taught the answers to the exams - this is typical in Thailand - taking exams to which you have not seen the answers is very rare. For the state exams, they go to expensive intensive grind-classes where they got taught the answers to those exams. And so it goes. Even in a class of ten most of them would rather be on their phones or sleep. They all have phones that cost a month's salary for me. They have to be mollycoddled to turn in work, and the level of knowledge required to pass their exams would be equivalent to that of students about three years younger in the west. This is the norm here.

    Both my partner and her best friend's pregnancies were diagnosed as something else by the same doctor and they were both sent home with antibiotics. Go figure. I also won't fly the native airlines.

    I digress.

    I've taught in schools where the average class size was 50+. But those kids wanted to learn and respected their teachers. Dr. Vip grew up in a class of 60+ himself and graduated from the Imperial College London on scholarship. Kids will learn if they want to, but it requires a good teacher. You could have five kids per class, but if the teacher sucks, that's not going to be of much use to them. The wealthy pay for smaller class sizes, but it doesn't make their kids any smarter. It's certainly a more ideal situation for learning, but it guarantees nothing.

    Kids from Asian families are by far the most successful in the American educational system. If they don't succeed in class, there are serious repercussions at home.

    As you say, it's ahrd to quantify - but I'd venture that it's a fine balance of a desire to learn and effective teaching methods.

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    Climate change has got me. I give up. Information overload.

    I just know that hell will freeze over before the Kitties beat us in Soldier field.

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    Okay it's five to four in the morning and I wrote "they're daddies" instead of "their" and this is unbearable to me.

    I've found a site that streams Breaking Bad and I just can't stop watching.

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    I was kept out of teaching; as stated in an earlier thread because the teachers union would not cover my son who was born with Rubenstien -Syndrome
    so; I took the government insurance; and have been a long haired version of cliff claven ever since
    so there is a bit of "experience" in my background

    we fail to miss the point of reaching the individual in our education system
    the human mind is nothing more than a memory bank for conceptual nature; education needs to reach the heart of each student
    I used to teach children to read from what was inside of each individual
    if they were into comics; we learned to read using comics....ect.
    If you get in touch with your student; and conect on an inner level;
    in other words, mine their points of interest early; then you can develope a reading program around any information...once they can read you open up the vault to love of knowledge

    from reading basics; you can take the mind, and guide it into how information is imput into the brain/mind coputer
    teaching a human "how it learns; and how to educate itself" from very early ages will produce results that are much more rewarding to the student; much more so, than repetitve responses on wrote memory, regarding information that means nothing to an individual
    90% of the stuff I was forced to reproduce; so I could pass on to "the next level", has never applied in the life I have lived
    not until I figured out it wasn't about what I was teaching a student
    but; that it was all about teaching the student how it learns
    did I see the kind of creative success that I was striving to bring to the classroom

    we are not educating future teachers properly

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    I had this brilliant math teacher in the college of education; who developed his own system of teaching elementary grade math concepts from wooden blocks; that were broken down into a block for every number
    when you wrote ten on the paper the child had a segment of wood that was a determined lenght
    and under it ; ten small blocks that the student could line up in a row under the segment that equaled the same lenght

    that is just a crude example, but from the characters on the paper; to the actual tactile three -d representation of it; that the child could manipulate.... number concepts were held onto and retained
    he had a whole system that covered the basic addition- subtraction--multiplication, and division

    most adults becoming teachers struggled with learning his techniques and how to teach it; because their minds were already programmed
    ....they had trouble relating
    but, I fell in love with it; worked in his math lab for xtra $ and saw how easy it became for 1st and second graders to master math skills
    easier than the teachers who came to the lab for help on learning how to implement his system

    He was a massive man; and actually scared the shit out of the education majors
    everyone feared taking his class
    definitely not what you would expect a mathematician to look like
    I always wondered if his system ever got marketed and implemented into the school system

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    There's a lot of great, insightful points made on this topic. MBP, I think you misunderstood what I was getting at when saying teachers should look within. What I meant by that comment was that teachers should start changing the bureaucratic process, since they have the most power in this area. That's what I meant by look within. I also agree the top and bottom 10% are ill served.
    Full disclosure, I donate money every year to the Milton and Rose Friedman Foundation to change how education is done in this country. The main premise is to have government funded education, not government run education. Put the power back into the hands of the parents. It shouldn't matter where you live to decide your educational experience. The Federal Education Department is a cancer on education. Give every parent a voucher, and let them make the decision, not Washington or some state or local bureaucracy.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    Huntin' - I would have replied to your comment above had this crazy software allowed me to. Right now I can see posts layered on top of posts with only one reply button to be found. This software is beyond a joke, Chicago Now. This is worse than Windows '95. I normally use Firefox - but I opened the page in Chrome because that's what my niece was using - replying to a comment crashed the page .... but it still looks crazy in Firefox.

    Anyhoo ....

    Yes, HB, I completely agree it's about 'How to learn' and not 'what to learn'. It's my firm belief that 'Thinking' should be a compulsory class for all students.

    Thanks for sharing about your son, I learned something today, if nothing else. I hope you both continue to light up one another's lives for as long as can be.

    This is for him :

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    that one made the favorites page
    thanks I found some new artists to mine

    it also made me thirtsy; lookin' at that table

  • “He’s continuing to improve … but he has his moments where you want to choke him.”

    Mike Tice about Chris Williams..

    Funny as hell

  • In reply to Artoo:

    How are you not laughing at this?

    I did not make this up. This is on ESPN.

  • Bears

  • I've deleted many of my posts from the last few days because your not supposed to talk about sexual abuse. Your supposed to be outraged by it, but not talk about it.
    One of my best friends of the last 17 years decided to confide in me the horrors she went through as a child. She made some bad choices with her husbands, but she's a great person to be around and is an incredible Mom. Being a great Mom is the most important thing in her life.
    She told me about her childhood about 10 years ago, and it was horrible. She was physically and sexually abused by her Dad and his friends. She's a positive person most of the time, but the demons come out a few times a year. When I get the "call", I know whats up. I happen to be the person she talks to about this. When she tells me the stories, my heart sinks, my stomach knots up, my neck and shoulders hurt. It's very painful. And I'm just listening. This happened to her 30 years ago. She cries a lot and constantly says "I will never let this happen to my daughters".
    I hate it when she calls sometimes, and I almost get mad at her. How fucked up is that?

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    Drop me a note if you like, Fifth. I can relate, partner.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    The fact that you're listening and not shutting down the relationship means you are doing a great thing, Corm. I imagine it's a measure of how much your friendship means to her that she can unload those emotions with you.
    I really, really hope that she is also seeking professional therapy though. That is some heavy, heavy stuff to deal with directly or even indirectly - I'm sure it is stressful to listen to. I don't think your reaction is unusual or at all "fucked up". At some point, you want people to just "solve it" or "fix it", whatever the really messed up thing in their past it is that has them wrecked. I know that's how I've felt with similar situations. But for them, it's not that easy. For her, it probably lurks in the back of her head every day.
    I'm sure you know all that. But you're doing it - lots of people can't or won't. I may disagree with some of your politics, but I know you're a good guy. It comes through.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    hey fifth
    remember this when you listen
    be the observer... that thing inside of you that is watching your own exist without judgement; once you get to know not listen with your mind.....that is clouded with all your conceptual data; and it is what is producing the anger....
    her system will actually pick up on that energy (it's like a tuning fork) it will entrain systems around it to vibrate at the same frequency
    there is a breathing technique you can teach yourself and her that will bring your autonomic nervous system into balance.
    i won't bore you with the details; but it is a science that can be measured; I have direct experience and can attest to it's effectiveness.... it is simple and I promise; you will feel it
    I wish your freind could meet my wife; she works wonders in these types of situations
    google The New Science of Breath.... the author is Stephen Elliott
    I will listen to you; and share
    if you are interested let me know and I will give you my #

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    Fifth, you're doing a selfless thing by listening and i commend you. That is some heavy shit and i know it's got to weigh on you though to be her release valve a couple times a year.

    If it's been 30 years and she is still dealing with it like that she has to talk to a pro. other life events or stress can trigger shit from long ago and could compound problems in the future. Is there anyone she can talk to that has training in this sort of thing?

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    It's not fkd up, it's normal. Good for you, man. Good for you.

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    Sexual perversion and sexual immorality is a child killer. Always has been, always will be.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    You're doing a great thing man -- and don't worry your reaction is both normal and okay. It's tough being the support guy, particularly in those times where you feel especially powerless to change things in their life. That's just reality... don't beat yourself up over it.

    Being a confidant, especially on something like this, is tricky business. You have to judge if you are being enough help (or enabling them to put off confronting debilitating issues head-on) as well as the extent of its toll on you. Learn some relaxation techniques at least, and just make sure you are taking care of yourself too. Ultimately though, there is no more noble thing than to help a friend in true need. Good luck and take care, man.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    You are a good man.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    meh. Listen? Even a dog could listen.

    Just kidding, bro. Just trying to provide some balance.

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  • Bears

  • Thank you. I can't respond right now. Music is the only way I can speak right now.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    Way to go, Corm. I have a friend with the same history. She's been through a bunch of husbands and is wildly promiscuous. I'm not sure she has ever really dealt with it. You're a great guy for being there for her. Men are always looking for solutions. Women want someone to listen. Proud to call you a friend.

  • Good job corm... the world has too few real men. Consider yourself one of them. As mike said, make sure to take care of you in/after this happens too. Make sure you have your relief/release from it.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Regarding my friend, she does get help now and she's doing much better, especially this year. She got a little "closure" last year. She went and seen her Dad for the first time in 25 years and told him what she thought of him right before he died. I tried to tell her to get help for years and my sister even offered her free counseling, but I think she was leery of talking to my sister. My sister's a psychiatrist and Med School teacher. I talk to her about this subject once in a while.

  • Chiefs

  • Some tool called Gary Davenport has an article on The Bleacher Report where he names a player on every team that should be benched. The nob suggests Lance Louis for the Bears. Get on over there and tear him a new one

  • Watching Harvard v. Yale.

    Smart white guy football. Awesome. Maybe we should get us a FS from the ivys... see if we can replicate the Fencik experiment. Can't be too much worse than Cal.

  • Cor,

    Jerry Joseph is one my favorite artists of all time. He's a tremendous lyricist and guitar player. He writes some of Widespread's songs. But he's lesser known. He's got a strong cult following though, of which I am a proud member. Unbelievable live act with unbelievable passion. He's been around along time, and if you ever get a chance to catch him, electric or otherwise, do so at once. Jerry Joseph & The Jackmormons. I may have mentioned them before...Check it.

    An Example of his kick-ass stuff

    An Example of his Lyrical Prowess

  • Hey SD, I was watching NFL live last night and I saw Schlareth and Bruschi both pick the bears too. What a joke.

    The bandwagon has officially tipped over with all the dead weight of the posers that have jumped on board. Jesus christ.... schlareth no less. Made me puke in my mouth.

    The only motherfucker last weekend that picked up was DaCoach. Fucking awesome how loyal he is... always gets me fired up. Fuck every one else... bunch of johnny come lately bear hater fakers.

  • In reply to MB30SD:


  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Yeah....that "puke in your mouth" part - uh huh. Listening to Schlereth made me wonder if LSD had been baked into my pizza. And yer post about King - next thing we'll hear after we crush the Lions tomorrow is that Don Banks was caught cross-dressing in Bears gear.

  • In reply to Sdwat52:


  • Doc, johnny... you guys must be getting ready.

    Good luck you two. Just to make sure I get it out there in case one of your new one's comes early... best of luck and enjoy the miracle mangs. Awesome stuff.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    enjoy this miracle:

  • I seens it maings. That's not a miracle, that's a fucking deathwish.

    I've been out on 12-15' days and it's scary. the ocean is powerful and can be angry. I think he dies if he eats it.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Being close to the ocean now has given me a much, much healthier respect for how powerful it is. When it gets choppy here, you best believe you do not fart around.
    But a 90-foot wave? That video was ridiculous.
    I'd be too busy shitting myself to think. That's probably why he's still alive - reflex.

  • It had to be a Paddy .....or is it Bodie ?

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:


  • Read this exerpt from Paterno's latest statement very carefully....

    "The fact that someone we thought we knew might have harmed young people to this extent is deeply troubling. If this is true, we were all fooled, along with scores of professionals trained in such things, and we grieve for the victims and their families."

    Note this line: "...along with scores of professionasl trained in such things..."

    Then there's this, from earlier in the statement:

    "I was informed in 2002 by an assistant coach that he had witnessed an incident in the shower of our locker room facility. It was obvious that the witness was distraught over what he saw, but he at no time related to me the very specific actions contained in the grand jury report."

    Of note: "...he at no time related to me the very specific allegations..."

    This is nauseating. After hiring a high-priced mouth piece, these are the kind of narcisstic deflections that occur reflexively. Spread the blame, criticize the person he got the report from.

    Fuck you, Joe "Pa". Fuck you. It is my sincere hope that you are sued to within an inch of your net worth.

  • In reply to Sdwat52:

    I'm with you Sd. The guy is going to go down in history for what he is. A sick bastard. I was also glad to see McQueary is out as well.

  • In reply to Sdwat52:

    SD, not to get on my moral high horse but when it comes to something like child abuse you either do the right thing or you didn't do enough. Obviously the P.S. football/university personnel didn't do enough. And then to come out with mealy mouthed BS is beyond insulting. The young coach that caught that evil bastard in the shower with that kid should have kicked his ass on the spot and then called the cops. At the very least he should have called 911 instantly.

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    In reply to Sdwat52:

    And what makes things even worse is all the hagiography surrounding him. I had to switch off the PS=N game earlier because if you were to listen to the sodding commentators then Paterno was the victim. It was nauseating.

  • From Sun Times

    "And it’s making a difference. The Bears allowed 6.5 yards per play in their first five games; they’ve allowed 4.7 yards per play in the last three. The Bears have held their last three opponents below their season average in yards. The Eagles came in with the No. 1-ranked offense in the NFL: (449 yards per game), but gained only 330 against the Bears.

    What’s the difference?

    ‘‘No changes. Just executing better,’’ Briggs said. ‘‘It’s really nothing more to it. We haven’t done anything different since Lovie’s gotten here.’’

    ‘‘It’s just emphasis on doing our jobs,” Bears defensive coordinator Rod Marinelli said. ‘‘We kind of just took a step back with them and we kind of had an OTA mentality. Just make sure we’re doing things exactly right, and just repeat it over and over and over again, until we start doing things right again.’’

  • In reply to 4ever85:

    Lions.... DEAD!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Dead, Torn asunder, and eaten ..... by big bad grizzly Bears.

  • Jags

  • It's like Christmas eve and i'm 8yrs old again. All i want to do is fall asleep as soon as possible so tomorrow will get here sooner.

    Tomorrow is a playoff game. Bears will bring fucking heat. Peppers will be on a mission.

  • lions... FUCKING DEAD!!!

  • Amen, Waffle. Been looking forward to this one. I'm glad we got that two weeks off bullshit over. And we won't have any off weeks if we make the playoffs, so no more breaks until SB week. Yeah baby.

  • so... so is it possible for luck... to suck for luck?

    Cause he's sucking.

    (see how I did that doc?)

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    it's definitely sucking

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    In reply to MB30SD:

    Yup. Been watching it for a bit (past 2am here, so I don't think I'll bother stay up to watch the rest). TBH, I think Matt Barkley would be a better QB in the professional game.

    Mind you, I think the whole unit of Stanford have been kinda discombobulated by the Ducks as a whole so far, so I fully expect to wake up in the morning and find either the Ducks have wtfed them or Luck has decided to get his arse into gear..

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    In reply to MB30SD:

    Bollocks. 22-15 to Oregon now and its pretty much HT. I now want Stanford to lose.

  • Cards +14
    Ravens - 6.5
    Jags -3

  • watching Open Range with Costner and Duvall. I forgot how awesome that movie was. Second best gun battle after Heat.

  • I like that Duvall movie, Broken Dove, as well.

  • came across this interesting article in SI: fucking-dead

  • Ha! That's awesome, man.

  • Bills

  • Watching the Pacqiou fight and they said Peanut is ringside. WTF?!?!? We got a HUGE game tomorrow!

  • falcons

  • Whats up gents, I'm in a hotel in downtown chi, wife's asleep. This trip was her wedding present to me. Thats right, she is fucking amazing. I can't sleep because I will be attending the game tomorrow. Haven't checked in with y'all much lately but I've been reading. Hope my pix aren't duplicates of the bros cuz this here new iphone doesn't have flash so I didn't listen to the show. I'll be posting a report of my account of this trip and the game on mon night when I get back to SF. I love you.

  • In reply to ben in norcal:

    Wow. Jealous. Well-jell. Does it ever feel so-so going to a Bear's game or does it always feel extra-awesomely-special ?

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    what are you doin' up at 2 am
    oh wait it's only 2 am for me
    i know you are not nervous this week
    but, i am not sure about this week
    i am usually so positive
    but I have been let down so many times
    just when things are gettin' good

  • In reply to huntinbare:

    Don't worry HB - I've given the guaranteed-Irish stamp. Done deal. Detroit Dead.

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    how 'bout my ducks? did you see 'em
    I love the pace and energy of their squad
    I got a stuffed blue footed boobie that we use as our post office mascot for the ducks

  • In reply to ben in norcal:

    have the time of your life
    and come home from the game hoarse
    nothin' like getting loud on the lakefront

    did you die your hair orange so we can see ya?
    go ahead you won't get fined
    love and gratitude to both of you newlyweds
    you deserve nothin' but the best
    get some sleep

  • wow, thos new iphone isn't much for leaving blog posts. Irish, it is awesome to see our boys in blue and burnt orange in live action, however, I've been to about 5 bear games in my life and they lost each one. So I guess I'm a walking curse to the organization and you will all know who to blame if we lose.

    Thanx for the well wishes, huntin, my hair isn't dyed but I will surely be hoarse this time tomorrow, I think this game will be one I won't soon forget.

    Good night all, bear down here in chi town, bear down.

  • And huntin, I did watch that ducks game tonight, didn't know if they had it in them and now I do, what a performance. Cheers to those ducks and to you, my friend.

  • In the wise words of one Johnny Waffle: Stafford. Dead.

  • In reply to ben in norcal:

    i love that your wife let you do this. that is a good woman. have a great time today. The curse will be broken!!!

  • Bears, Giants, Cardinals

  • Steelers, Chiefs, Bears

  • Steelers, NYJ, Texans

  • Bears

  • Oh shit, almost forgot to get my picks in this week...

    Stafford -12.5
    Fucking +4.5
    DEAD +10

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    haha what the heck are you doing up so early?

  • In reply to Shady:

    It's already 7 my man. I've never been a sleeper... the latest I've ever slept after a normal night is about 8.

    Of course I'm usually toast by 11ish at night though.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Just imagine when you're 70 you'll be getting up at 4a and going to bed by 8p.

  • In reply to Shady:

    Ha! Can't wait

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Bart Scott?

  • SEA +6.5
    HOU -3
    CHI -1.5

    (tempted by NYG +3.5 but... this'll do. this week's lines were extremely well-calibrated!)

  • Bengals +7
    Niners -9.5
    Bears -3.5

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    Honestly, Bucs +14.5 is tempting. GB hasn't done 14 points against solid offenses, but I'm not sure I can call Tampa Bay's offense solid this year.

    Falcons were also tempting. But don't feel like giving 5.5 points when I can take 7 and get the Bengals.

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