Time to Acknowledge Jerry Angelo's Successes

Time to Acknowledge Jerry Angelo's Successes

About a week ago I went on the Twitter and wrote something to this effect: Jerry Angelo’s front office work for the Chicago Bears over the last three years has been significantly better than the work done by Belichick in New England and the Polians in Indianapolis.  It created something of a stir.  I was called many bad names. And calmly I responded to each of my naysayers with, “Please go look at the data.”  The responses were either an apologetic “you were right” or nothing at all (which I took to similar effect).

There are three ways to add talent to an NFL roster: draft, trade, free agency. (Duh) In the last few years Angelo has drafted a now top five NFL back, traded for a top ten quarterback and signed in free agency the premiere 4-3 end in the game. That’s pretty darn good.  The collection of players he’s compiled led by the man he hired to be head coach, won the 2010 NFC North division title, went to the NFC Championship Game and they are a better team in 2011.

Nobody is going to argue that Jerry Angelo is the best General Manager in the sport.  He’s not.  But because the Chicago media operates with a Negativity First platform all of Angelo’s failures receive front page publicity while his successes are relegated to footnotes below the TV listings.  Yes, Angelo has struggled with his first-round selections but he’s also found Matt Forte and Devin Hester in the second round after the entirety of the league passed on them.  (We may not have the elite wide receiver some teams have but NOBODY ELSE has a Hester.) Yes, Adam Archuelta was a nightmare but Tim Jennings and Amobi Okoye have been flat-out steals. Yes, the offensive line remains a work in-progress but that is less the result of bad talent evaluation and more the result of having to rebuild the entire unit following the demise of the veteran-laden 2006 unit that included Fred Miller, Ruben Brown and a hanging onto his prime Olin Kreutz.

We’d all like that elite wide receiver, an Ed Reed-type at safety and Anthony Munoz protecting the blindside. But there isn’t a current team in the NFL that has everything.  The Packers, the current gold standard, have severe defensive deficiencies and a mediocre-at-best offensive line.  But their quarterback has strung together the most impressive twenty-game span the position has ever seen and many of their deficiencies have been carefully hidden behind that.  Look at how we idolized those organizations in Indy and New England.  The former was an injury to their quarterback away from going WINLESS and the latter has a patent pending on losing playoff games at home.  And look at what happened to the Philadelphia Eagles when they made the type of free agency splash fans clamor for.  They lost to a quarterback who played at Fordham.

With the heart of the defense (Pep, Lach, Briggs, Nut) having a few more years before their window closes, the Bears are only a few pieces away (if that) from winning the big one in February.  Hell, right now you could argue they firmly belong in that collection of next-tier teams below the Packers and I would relish the opportunity to see them in the conference title game at Lambeau this year.  Maybe I’m a minority opinion but I like the collection of guys Jerry Angelo has found and I would grade his tenure as GM with a plus sign.  And I think he could be one offseason away from cementing his legacy in the city.

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  • The first thing that's going to be brought up is, "but this is Chicago!"

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I get bonus points for:
    1) Firsties
    2) correctly guessing the first reaction to this article!
    Go Team MBP!

  • Oh jesus fucking christ... seriously?

    Depth and longevity/maintenance of a successful unit for more than a year or two. Period.

    That is the ONLY place you need to look to determine angelo's real success/failure. What happens if/when we lose lach, forte, peanut, briggsy, pep, any single olineman (unfortunately we're going to find out about this one right now.... thank god it's going to be for the AFCW and not our Q1 schedule). The bottom line is that we're really thin at every spot and angelo and the Bears are going to be up shit creek when our perennial stars retire or lose a step. We’re not a young team on D, and jerry has been terrible about restocking talent everywhere. Know what, never mind. You’re welcome to take long-term mediocrity with a lump of sugar… I’ll go down fighting and kicking. We’re not the fucking browns.

    Just to pull myself out of this slump having to read status quo perpetuating (and please don’t tell me this year and last, there’s also the years we didn’t make the play offs in between) apologism (yes, I made it up… and it has a nice ring to it) this I have to make myself feel better with two of my very favorite things: http://uncrate.com/stuff/jds-baconlube/

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    MB where are these franchises will the depth you think exists? And it's easy to complain the Bears don't have depth when they have two superstar linebackers, a superstar defensive end, QB, RB, kick returner...etc. You even listed all the great players we currently have in your comment. Now you're not happy with one great player at a position. You want two.

  • In reply to Jeff Hughes:

    no, I want depth that allows us to lose our stars or have to start craig fucking steltz.

    Look, I've already admitted that my expectations are ridiculously high... maybe unrealistically so Jeff, but this team could and should strive to be the patriots of the 90's (and some of the 2000's). We are one of the biggest markets with a monster history and story. We should be contending every year, EVERY year. We should be the every working man’s team, not the fucking steelers.

    Like I’ve said many times… if we were the browns or chargers or Washington… we’re the Chicago bears and we should be in the playoffs every year. Yeah, any given Sunday, injuries and the general wackiness/luck of the nfl dictates that won’t happen every year, but we’re been a middle to sub middle team more years than not since the olden days (and ’85). I just feel like we should ALL have those kinds of expectations. Jerry angelo isn’t the worst GM in the history of the NFL… but I just think with a guy like ozzie we would have had a shot at the big show the last 3-4 years straight no question.

    So yes, I’m extra hard on him… but again, this is the Chicago bears we’re talking about.

  • In reply to Jeff Hughes:

    Why are we evaluating Angelo over three years only, Jeff? He's been here ten - that's what you evaluate, not selective sampling to support a case. There is no case which defends the fool.

    How many Lombardis does Angelo have in the glass case ? How many does Belichick have ? That's all that matters and all that counts, sorry.

    No point in saying look at the Pats or the Colts now ... they are at the end-time of their respective dynasties, with their core rosters aged now. If Peyton Manning was half the QB the media thinks he is and wasn't such a choker or a pussy, they'd have a bunch of rings now - the Pats already have theirs. They've come to a natural decline in their life cycle - who's holding up Polian to be envied by the way? Winning lots of games is good, but it's about the Lombardis. They were lucky to run into a superbowl team with a shit QB missing their star DT and FS and who decided to abandon their running game ...

    Saying we are only a few pieces away from completing the puzzle is not a justification for the man's continued employment, it's an indictment of his abject failure to carry out his job effectively. Ten years in the job and he's got sweet FA to show for it.

    Why can't we expect more than one good player at a position? Paea can't get a game, because, as I suspected after Mayock saying he had 'zero football instincts' .... the penny ain't dropping for the guy any time soon. How many DTs do we need anyway? If Forte goes down, there goes our offense. The best back in the draft fortuitously fell to us at the 53rd pick. Who did we draft? Youtube muscles, to go with Youtube Poolguy.

    Why did we draft Dan Lefevour instead of the guy at the top of our draft board, James Starks? Why did we toss Chris Harris, and then give away a very good LB to get him back ... only to toss him away again? Why did we sell the farm for Cutler and provide him with zero protection and no receivers? These and many, many, many other such brain-freezes are inexplicable and indefensible.

    We are where we are in spite of Jerry Angelo. The man is a fucktard, period.

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    Exactly, second largest market in America - arguably the largest if you accept that New Jersey has two teams in competition - we should have a cupboard full of Lombardis given our position. Ten years, nothing. Angelo = Complete failure.

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    I'm not sure on which side of this I fall, but that may have been the best post I have ever read on this blog, IS.

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    Earl Bennett is an outstanding receiver, regarldless of whether your hatred of JA blinds you to the fact.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

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  • I thought you'd like that coach. You too crown.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

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  • In reply to MB30SD:

    and here I have been using actual bacon grease the whole time....The fatties do love it though...

  • Hahahahaha... great way to get a BJ from a plus sized friend.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Or a Bobbitt. I'd be careful with that stuff.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    ooohhhhhh... yeah. might be a bit much for them. Bit reflex and all. Yikes!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    bite

  • I was more than willing to jump on the Lovie bandwagon. But I am 100% sure that if I say something positive about JA, one (or more) of the commenters will jump through my monitor and smack me upside the noggin. This thread is going to be huge, Blogfather. And it is going to get ugly.

  • In reply to EnderWiggin:

    what's your IP address... my hand is coming through right now just for thinking it.

  • In reply to EnderWiggin:

    Fkn A, Ender, cue 'em up and we'll shoot 'em down ....

  • If Gaines Adams didn't have an enlarged heart, then we don't have Peppers on our squad.

  • I didn't even go to comparing coach... it's futile. For every plain as fucking day more that every GM in the world would have made in our situation (cutty, pep, etc...) there are 4 or 5 terrible ones. Pepe le pu, the same dude the next year, never mind...

    I have to keep stoping myself. it's pointless.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    You kill his bad decisions and refuse to praise him for his good ones. That's fair, though.

  • In reply to Jeff Hughes:

    I didn't say they weren't good, I said they were obvious and didn't take a great (or even very good) GM.... they just took money.

    And other people didn't get them because of the exact reason I'm complaining... those players wanted to come to this storied org to be Chicago Bears... to be part of this history. Pep said that was a HUGE part of his decision (besides the $90M).

    That is EXACTLY why we need to maintain that and to build it into the new age... not always rely on history that has slowly been diminished by guys like wanny, juron... and yes... jerry angelo.

  • In reply to Jeff Hughes:

    That's like praising Hitler because he built good roads and loved his German Shepherd.

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    I don't think hitler was on the road building crew

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    into... move... jesus... I need to go do some yoga or meditation or some shit before my head explodes

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    And there you have it, MB. Why you are flat wrong. Every GM would have traded for Cutler? Every GM would have signed Peppers to that contract? THEN WHY DIDN'T THEY?

  • In reply to Jeff Hughes:

    I said in our situation. Dire need, available money, no other options... etc... etc...

  • In reply to Jeff Hughes:

    Simple. Peppers - we had more cash available and he wanted to hook up with Lovie.

    Cutler - easier still. The only available QBs that McDaniels could even have considered taking in return for Cutler were Orton and ...? Jason Campbell. Kyle Orton got us Jay Cutler, not Jerry Angelo - that and our willingness to give up two firsts and a third IN ADDITION.

    Angelo had nothing to do with the deal anyway, it was his underlings. And again, unless we win a Lombardi with Jay, the roster suffers moving forward. We paid a lot to get him here, there needs to be a return of some sort or the the median skill level on the roster drops.

  • In reply to Jeff Hughes:

    +1 Jeff.

  • In reply to Jeff Hughes:

    Don't expect answers to be guided by reason here, Jeff.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Orton was a good QB on our team and a lot of Bears fans including me didn't think he was our problem when we traded for Cutty. As a matter a fact, I may be wrong but I seem to remember that Bobby DePaul got fired because he campaigned for Cutty against Lovie's wishes. It was a very difficult decision at the time given what we had to pony up for Cutty with glaring needs in other area's. I will only drop every doubt I've ever had about signing Cutty when I see a Super Bowl Trophy back in Halas hall. I think the jury will be out on that trade until that happens.

  • In reply to BigDaddy:

    i was sold on Cutler when we started winning games because of the qb and not despite the qb.

  • I agree. The game at this level is incredibly complicated, Cutler has done a great job managing the clock, managing the game, and managing a pro but average pro WR core and Oline playing with a risky system for years. Bennet has emerged as a Pro Wideout that people want a part of. Good QBs are a dime a dozen and their record is the biggest testament to their skill, NOT passer rating (which is still important), NOT yards posted (which is decidedly not important in itself, unless your running a story on Cam Newton apparently). What matters is WINS. When Orton went to the donksho i told all my donksho friends to prepare for what happens every year at donksho stadium, a winning first half followed by a terrible second half. THen I laughed as Orton took an upgraded WR core and Offensive Line and drove them to more losses than Cutler ever had playing for them, while posting a higher passer rating of course.

  • btw, I think we do have as good a shot as anyone to go to the show and to win it. I do think you're pushing it when you state that our stars have a 'few more years'. I hope all the purpletebus, but we simply can't count on that.

  • I think we can all agree on an upward trend when we consider recent (the last 3 years, as blogfather mentions) "high profile" transactions (Cutler trade, Peppers signing, high draft picks) along with the usual decent late round draft finds.

    But i have a tough time overlooking the putrid results of the years before that, especially the high draft picks. "Blue and red chip" players, as Mike Lombardi likes to call them, define organisations, and we whiffed on too many.

  • In reply to BXLBearsFan:

    No doubt about it. His first round picks have been awful. That's been his signature deficiency.

  • In reply to Jeff Hughes:

    and not addressing dire needs.

    Do you think that pringles and conte are our long-term answer to the safety positions? Are we all set at oline?

    I'm just saying that he's VERY spotty, and I can't for the life of me jeff understand how you leave two critical areas on the field fallow for so many years. All in all, our stars are saving our ass… my big question to you is, how does our 2-4 year horizon look right now?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    well that's really it. IF (!) Conte and Wright pan out, Jeff has a case. If not, it's getting hard to not agree with you.

    And we really need more time and evidence to get an answer on that.

  • In reply to BXLBearsFan:

    Even if Conte and Wright work out it will have meant, what, five years without a decent safety pairing ? No passes for Angelo just because we've got a sniff at the superbowl after five years. I don't want to hear a word about last year because we completely over-achieved last season.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    It's begun MB. The bandwagon is getting full.

    http://espn.go.com/chicago/hot/?id=7237980

  • In reply to BigDaddy:

    yup trac, you love to hear it (because it's so rare) but hate to hear it because is the mainstream football media is on our jock that means we start believing the hype a bit much traditionally.

    I actually really like herm edwards and still hate the dillweed hasselbeck.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Precisely. What's more important and crucial to an organization -unit-wise - than a functional O-line? Who the hell thinks Lach and Peppers have 'a few more years'? Their careers could be over next week! Who's our backup MLB again? I've been saying this for years - we don't have one! When are we drafting his replacement? Before or after we draft our future center? Or our premier future defensive end? All of these decisions are seriously affected by the Cutler trade moving forward.

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    It doesn't matter what round you pick your studs in - you just have to pick them.
    I think the Olsen trade is going to pan out this year. An extra 3rd rounder could end up being very valuable.
    The thing about Cutty is, and I loved Captain Neckbeard as much as the next guy, he survived two brutal years where our O-line was ter-rib-le. Now, it looks like we may have the groundwork for a very, very solid runblocking unit for the next several years, and we didn't have to spend a high draft pick replacing the corpse of Orton. So, yeah, there's that.

  • In reply to Jeff Hughes:

    I'm an optimistic dude by nature, so i share your point of view to a point. I will not give him a plus though. Break even seems right. I'm most impressed with the rational and calm approach to the O-line situation. I can actually see this group growing together and becoming an above average line.

    Now, on the other hand:
    - you have to admit it's very early to grade the latest drafts. Mark Anderson, remember his rookie year? I need to see what we'll get from guys like Wootton, Wright (i feel the light is coming on the last few games), Conte and Peae. First 3 rounds, i feel you need to get something. After that, it's a crapshoot, and every "score" is just a plus.
    - The receiver situation is really something that pisses me off. There were clear opportunities the last 2 seasons to add someone for that group to put Cutler in a better situation to succeed. I hate that he didn't address this. Sidney Rice, like you advocated for, or that dude from Denver that got shipped to the Rams couple weeks ago. Not worth a 4th rounder (we got 3 3's)? And there are others.

    we'll see how it evolves. you are right on the next offseason though. I he scores (i'm thinking quality corner, linebacker and receiver, above all else) then we can really start talking about a positive evolution.

  • In reply to BXLBearsFan:

    we got 2 3's (next year)...sorry typo...

  • In reply to BXLBearsFan:

    "He drafts well in the later rounds ..." is another nugget that keeps getting regurgitated.

    1. I don't think that's particularly true.

    2. Who cares anyway? Messing up your premier picks is far more expensive and destructive and corrosive to the organization.

  • In reply to Jeff Hughes:

    I think it's fair to say the draft as a whole has been awful. He's hit on a couple of mid rounders, but they are mostly system guys, not guys that can carry the torch after our other stars decline. The 1st round has been abysmal though, you are right on that, with only Chris Williams still playing for us.

    Hester & Forte were great 2nd round picks, no doubt there. Tillman was a great pick way back in 2003 as well. However, not including this draft (too early to judge any of the players), there has been 5 other 2nd rounders drafted by Jerry, all no longer with the team, 4 of them are out of the league. He has also traded away 2 recent 2nd rounders.

    The 3rd round has been one of his better rounds, having produced Briggs (back in 03) , Earl Bennett, & Major Wright. But of the other 8, no other is still with the team, while 3 are playing elsewhere, and the 5 others are out of the NFL.

    The 4th has produced 4 players on the current roster: Steltz, Melton, DJ Moore, & Wooton. It also produced Orton, a backup in Denver, the only 4th rounder on another team, and a staggering 7 others currently out of the NFL.

    Out of 16 picks, round 5 features a slash line of 4 with the Bears/1 with another team/11 out of the game.

    Rounds 6 & 7 are crap shoots, but he did draft 2 current Bears, Webb & Lance Louis.

    The draft is the backbone of any NFL franchise. You can't patch holes quickly enough, through free agency & trades, to compensate for a failure to draft franchise players. Angelo has been terrible here with the draft. No titles, only 4 playoff appearances in 10 years, & an overall 3-4 playoff record during his tenure -- sorry, but I expect more, much more. I will acknowledge him when he deserves it & actually does something here.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    While I'm not really going to defend JAs drafting, it is a bit disingenuous to point out all the guys that did not pan out over the years. Given the average length of football careers, we should expect very few players drafted more than about five years ago to be around anyway.

  • In reply to Jeff Hughes:

    That's why I call Angelo's move to trade two 1st rounders for Cutty, "complete shrewdness". Very few coaches can admit they are better off giving them away.

  • In reply to BigDaddy:

    I remember a number of posts on this blog saying it was fine because Angelo would just waste the picks anyway.

  • Great game on Sunday, eh guys? Fuckin' A.

  • In reply to Doc Nitty 34:

    lol

  • So maybe Cutler and Pep were lured by bigger cash than other teams. What about Forte and Hester? Blogfather isn't saying Angelo hasn't crapped the bed. But you cannot be a reasonable football fan and deny Angelo his big wins.

  • One word MB. "Shrewd".

  • In reply to BigDaddy:

    stop it!

  • Hey Jeff, you sure you ain't trying to bag an Angelo interview? Just kidding of course.

  • I personally think this is your run-of-the-mill hyperbole that plagues everything NFL. Anoint me one week, cast me aside the next. However, it's only fair to give Angelo too much credit during a 4 game win streak after unfairly berating him earlier this year.

    I still think it's too early to call the Cutler move a success. I think it was a worthwhile risk, and I give him credit for taking it, but I'm not sure it has/will pay off. He probably is a top 10 quarterback, but it's close. I'm not sure he is capable of putting together a string of solid performances that can win a ring.

  • In reply to thebigcheese:

    Julius Peppers is pretty darn good though. I feel like the Chicago D really relies on their Quarterback, #54. Unfortunately, he doesn't seem to be aging as quickly as I would like to see.

  • In reply to thebigcheese:

    Personally I've been very even keeled in my assessment/criticism of angelo for over two years on this blog and for many more years before I landed here.

    He may not be the worst GM in the NFL, but the Chicago Bears deserve a better than a Browns or Miami-level GM.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    ok, ok, fine... so more consistent than even keeled.

  • In reply to thebigcheese:

    NFC championship in his second year on the team and first year in the offense. jesus christ. why don't we compare him to Manning, Brees, Rodgers, etc, they have so many fucking tools and have been in the same system for fucking years and years.

    The only qb in the league that could have survived and thrived the last couple of years with the Bears line and revolving door of offensive systems except Cutler is Rodgers. Everyone else would be retired or a vegetable.

  • Rodgers would be a vegetable.

  • Maybe it's been mentioned, but it's coming out now that the former Attorney General of Penn didn't pursue original charges against Sandusky because he knew it would involve Joe Pa and he was getting ready to run for Governor.

    I mean seriously. What am I supposed to tell my kids? I can't tell them to trust their coaches, their clergymen, their "leaders", or ANYBODY. Doesn't anybody look out for anybody other than themselves anymore?

    This is a seriously fucked up world we live in.

    The people who have turned 18 since 2000 have witnessed so much shit that if a cultural or political revolution doesn't start with them, it will never start. At least my fathers generation, while baring it's share of problems, had civil rights improvements to hang their hat on.

    This generation has been lied to about wars, lied to by every news outfit in the free world, witnessed the debacle that was the 2000 election and all the inherent corruption, witnessed steroids in baseball, lied to by politicians, saw only sensationalist journalism, witnessed all the corporate corruption with Enron and Fannie Mae and all the rest, witnessed the housing scandal and the subsequent bailout of the culprits instead of the victims, on and on it goes. Now, we have all this sandusky bullshit and all the cover up that has gone along with that. But who goes to prison? Martha Fucking Stewart. Give me a break.

    How is anybody supposed to trust anyone or anything? How? It's no longer possible. Fuck it all.

    But, helluva game on Sunday, eh guys? Fuckin' A.

  • In reply to Doc Nitty 34:

    I think that is important to remember that a lot of the stuff that's come out in recent times also went on during prior eras, only it wasn't discovered/disclosed/amplified like scandals are today

  • In reply to thebigcheese:

    Fuck yourself with a dong shaped cheese wedge.

  • In reply to thebigcheese:

    No dude. If I gave you a function that models the morality of civilization, it would be a negative exponential. The limit of this function, as time goes to infinity is most assuredly negative infinity. See how I did that, Erik?

  • In reply to Doc Nitty 34:

    Oh, oh!!! I did I did!!!

    ...ok, no I didn't. I had no fucking clue what you were talking about at all. Was it about chickens? Just a guess.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Chicken Little actually, but you were very close.

  • In reply to Doc Nitty 34:

    Trust not in man.

  • In reply to BigDaddy:

    Amen. Viva la Woman!

  • In reply to Doc Nitty 34:

    That would be jumping from the frying pan into the fire Doc. He he.

  • In reply to Doc Nitty 34:

    Doc, can I show just how morally bankrupt our society has become?

    this is a wedding... a fucking WEDDING: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gUxYXMbrQQ

    (jesus christ…. Smh)

  • In reply to Doc Nitty 34:

    It's always been a fucked up world, Doc, what do you think those Greek Tragedies were about.

    Only now it's being caught on video and blasted over 24 hrs news, twitter, facebook and youtube.

    I go by the last line of the movie "Seven".

    'The world may not be a fine place, but it is worth fighting for'.

  • In reply to 4ever85:

    Bingo.

    I have maintained for several years now that the worst thing that happened to America in my lifetime is 24 hour news.

    Is it any wonder that 30+ years of 7 x 24 x 365 "if it bleeds, it leads" "news" has led to so negative a view of modern society?

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    I have to agree - although some of that is on the audience.

  • In reply to Doc Nitty 34:

    You forgot the part about dogs and cats living together.

  • OMG! Sooooooo classy! OMG!

    http://www.itsalwayssunnyindetroit.com/2011/11/gridiron-sings-at-lions-fans-wedding.html

    (I take it this wedding wasn't this last Sunday night)

  • Oh God, this would take too long to actually properly refute,

    One can probably judge a GMs success by many standards, but let's grade them by some basic criteria.

    Superbowls: we made one appearance under his tenor, albeit a loss. It's been a decade - how long does a GM have to win a SB?

    Grade: C -

    Playoffs: we've made a lot of play-off appearances relative to other teams. How many of them were little more than wild-card teams is another matter.

    Grade: B-

    Drafting: oh lord, Angelo is BAD at this, let's just leave it at that. If you want bad flash backs, just check out the link (from 2001 on), scroll down, and judge Angelo's draft history for yourself.

    http://drafthistory.com/teams/bears.html

    Grade: D

    Hiring a Head Coach: Considering Angelo's drafting ineptitude, I must logically give Lovie more credit than I have in the past, and thus grudgingly admit he was a good hire by Angelo.

    Grade: B

    Free-Agents: Post-Cutler, or Pre-Cutler? Cutler, no matter how you cut it, was a bold move. Some of the others (like Peppers) have been no brainer's like MB alluded to, so I'm not sure how much credit Angelo gets for those. Like most other teams, there's been hits and horrible misses (Orlando Pace anyone?)

    Grade: C

    Re-signings: Gotta give Angelo credit here. Draft picks get signed forthwith, and we USUALLY reward our guys, sometimes to the point of absurdity (Kreutz case and point). The Forte situation bears watching though.

    Grade: A-

    SO overall, it really depends on what you value more in a good GM. Superbowls, Play-off appearances, Drafting, Hiring personnell, FAs, re-signings?

    If your kid comes home with this report card, would you be happy?

    C- (SBs)
    B- (Playoffs)
    D (Drafting)
    B (Hiring)
    C (FAs)
    A- (Re-signings)

  • In reply to 4ever85:

    Thank you 4.

    I'm allways so wound up about the angelo discussion that I usually lead with emotion and 50,000 foot overall concepts.

    I was waiting for one or more of you to start parading out all of the terrible things he's done to this team.

    Oh, and I'd give him a solid B in the playoff section. There were a few drought periods between visits to the post season early and in the middle.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    If you even it all out MB, JA is probably "mediocre" to "good."

    Of course, if you're parent, and you see a "D" on your kid's report card, you're probably very unhappy.

    And some "D's are worse than others. If I had a son, and he got a "D" in woodshop, maybe that's not as bad as getting a "D" in Math or English (sorry woodshop guys).

    Needless to say, Drafting is very important.

  • In reply to 4ever85:

    I can live with calling him mediocre 4.

    ... but the bottom line is that this organization deserves better than that. I know I've beaten this into the ground, but... that's fine for the browns... not for us.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I agree MB.

    That report card won't get anyone into Harvard, that's for sure.

    But then, which GM prospect is out there that is GUARANTEED to be better?

    That's a tough one.

    If the Bears throw me a few 100,000 I'll be more than happy to look into it.

  • In reply to 4ever85:

    Yeah, I know... that's mike's bit too and I totally agree. makes perfect sense... but this is jerry angelo we're talking about.

    There HAS to be someone out there. Where did Theo come from?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    ha ha

    If Theo wins the Pennant for the Cubbies, I would nominate him new Bears GM in a heartbeat.

  • In reply to 4ever85:

    If Theo wins a World Series for the Cubbies, I'm not sure there will be a football season ever again, as hell will have frozen over.
    But a pennant. Yeah, bring him over.

  • In reply to 4ever85:

    A random name picked from a phone book would be a guaranteed improvement on Jerry Angelo, man. Pick something from a dictionary like an adjective or a noun and it would have equal to better operating parameters than that clusterfuck. Christ, uproot a weed from the side of the road and place it in an empty yoghurt pot in his office and it would exceed his potential.

    Even as a complete amateur with no qualifications for the job I know as sure as eggs that I could have done a better job than that buffoon. Anyone could, it would be literally impossible to do any worse. Please, someone explain what I'm missing here. Peppers? Cutler? Carimi? These are default auto-picks! You could program a 1979 calculator to make those picks.

    We've been looking for a solid to great QB since Jim McMahon - over 20 years!! Did it take some kind of genius to put together the best available QB in Orton, two firsts and a third to get Cutler? I'd say we also paid too much for him by the way. Orton plus a first and third rounder would have closed that deal if Tweety Pie wasn't the GM. Who the hell wants Jason Campbell as your franchise QB? Orton will be back as a starter before long. Somewhere.

    Also, Mike Martz should have gotten a boot up the hole a lot sooner than three weeks ago. The improvements in our team that have arisen recently have all been called for on this blog by rank amateurs since forever, bar none.

  • In reply to 4ever85:

    The first person to actually have criteria, good stuff. But C- for Superbowls? We make one SB int en years and that gets a C-?

    Superbowls D- perhaps ....
    Playoffs: C+
    Drafting : Fail
    Hiring : D (Based over ten years, only rising to D because of Toub, Maranelli and Tice)
    Free Agency : D
    Re-signings : D

    Drafting is uber-everything, so that's a fail overall because the guy is a complete fail. Period.

  • Yeah, OMFG and all that - because I'm going to agree with bigcheese. Tebus Cristo.

    McCarthyism, the bombing of our home soil in 1941, the first depression. The civil war.

    What has happened is that you've been lucky enough to live through the final stages of the American empire, 1946-2001. Now, globalism is unraveling everything economic, which has all the politicians doing things only to save themselves, etc etc. We are all Huey Long now.

    The next 50 years... peace? Not so much. 24/7 global war, cyberterrorism, bombing, nuclear proliferation, and a youth movement trained on Modern Warfare 3 in basic squad tactics and Battlefield on combined arms tactics.

    We grew up hearing Lennon SINGING about revolution. Don't you know you can count me out.... in. Now, we get to live the early stages of it.

    But hey, you were all pro-NAFTA in 94, eh?

  • In reply to gpldan:

    A stunningly poignant post GP. I'm still glad I beat your ass on Da League this week though.

  • In reply to BigDaddy:

    I deserved to lose. I benched Lynch, who would have won that game for me.

    I knew not to do it, I debated and debated and then I played Antonio Brown at the flex and I got torched.

    Another reason to stop reading Matthew Berry.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Besides, now you're a game back, right in the thick of it with Irish. Maybe I did it on purpose, just to make the run for the roses filled with intrigue. yeah, that's it. Your last year's Packers, you will barely eek me out for that 4th spot in the winners bracket and then run the table.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Yes, but unlike the Bears last year, I'm gonna try my darndest to take BD out lol

    Lynch is a "wac-a-mole" as they say in FF talk, GP.

    If you start him this week he'll probably get 5 points and Brown will explode for 20...

  • In reply to gpldan:

    What is it like to be that far back?

    Oh yeah, and someone please check out the fact that I am crushing everyone in all 3 leagues in points scored, yet am in 7th place in one, 2nd in another, and first in another. What in THEE hell.
    Stupid head-to-head....

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    ha ha...is there a BCS FF league?

    I'm actually looking foward to the show-down between you and Irish in Da Blog II...I'm curious if Irish is homer enough to start Cutler over Cam lol

  • In reply to 4ever85:

    Irish is going to get pummeled this week...Cam or no.
    I hope he starts Cam, since I have Jay starting in multiple other leagues against SD.
    I think he's going to light them up.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    meh, the zombies will take care of everything soon enough GP. soooon enough.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Of course, there has been war and horrible shit forever. Manifest destiny and so on. Most of that shit was about other people trying to fuck us, or us trying to fuck other people . The stuff of the last decade strikes me as different somehow. It's our own people trying to fuck each other. It all stems from people doing what they please, accountability be damned. I guess on some level, we should never trust politicians. It just seems that now we can't trust anybody. I hope you're right and I'm overreacting, but you have to admit, the shadiness of life has gone up tremendously.

    One of the regs brought up the fact that they knew a retired banker. The story goes, if I remember right, that the retired banker invested in community and built their wealth over a period of years, and that this used to be the norm. Now, bankers want to build their wealth immediately, morality and community be damned.

    It's the me-first attitude in the community that scares me. Civilization has always and will always be filled with violent corrupt assholes. It just seems that over the last decade, the corruption is aimed within. Not that it's right to direct your corruption and violence outwardly, but at least we used to have some bastion of community accountability that seems to be completely absent in today's world.

  • In reply to Doc Nitty 34:

    And for the record, I'm talking about American civilization, not the world. Clearly there have more fucked up times than now. But in America, the moral decline is startling.

  • In reply to Doc Nitty 34:

    I told you about that ohio banker
    he put others needs ahead of his own

    we do not have enough people trusting that if they put anothers need ahead of their own; they too wioll be O.K. in the long run

    tell your children, and teach your children to question everything
    go within and trust their intuitive process
    we have a planet populated with people that are too focused on externals
    those externals are creations of man; that today are made to increase wealth
    externals should be designed and created to enhance your brothers experience
    that way when the wealth comes from that creation; it delivers a bonus for you and your brother

    that thing that watches our thoughts; that undefinable presence
    teach your kids to know that doc; and trust it's wisdom...it won't let them down; and you will smile at the high quality of human being you have gifted to this dimension

    from reading your posts I know you are already working hard to deliver the best to this troubled world

  • In reply to huntinbare:

    Yup Hunti. The Bible calls it a sin to lend money with interest.

  • In reply to Doc Nitty 34:

    great fuckin game last weekend Eh?
    fuckin Eh!

  • In reply to gpldan:

    not me I was a union steward and warned of the destructive practices
    once again go to mother ones and read
    "The Making of Corporate Judiciary"
    If you control the laws that make up the rules of the game
    then it becomes game over for the common man

    All of human kind is a slave race....and was meant to be from the beginning.........

  • In reply to huntinbare:

    "Mother Jones"....making of corporate judiciary
    clinton damned our workers with his NAFTA crap

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Let's hear it GP, long live the revolution !! It's been a long time coming. Who would have thought it was going to be against the bankers though ? I always figured on it being Big Brother .... even they got duped .....

    I don't think any of the great writers got it right. They all had the totalitarian government as the bad guys. They're just the wankers ... but the bankers are our real enemy. In the USA you're all already owned lock, stock and barrel by the Bank of England/The Rothschilds and and live under the 'illusion' of freedom when you're actually bankrupt slaves. What percentage of the population even understands that? I've noticed some slandering of the 'Occupy Wall Street' types on here ... when they're the only ones with enough understanding and balls to do anything about the situation, while the sheep mock them from their bar stools mere yards away, buying anaesthetic after anaesthetic with their increasingly worthless dollars.

    In two years the currency scam in the United States is one hundred years old. Meditate on that for a moment. Your wealth has been milked away, and your land sold out from beneath you for the last hundred years by a small handful of people and the vast majority of the population aren't even aware it's happening or who is behind it ...... but their attention is all directed towards the 'terrorists' in the Middle East who had nothing but sticks and stones before you sold them weapons. Weapons that you paid for. You. I'm not even American and this is something which pisses me off daily and keeps me awake at night. Literally.

    Revolution is not just a word from history books, although it tends to be seen that away. Revolution is something that history shows us has to happen every so often to show the fat cats at the top that the people stand for bullshit only for so long. To paraphrase Trac, "Trust not in The Man ..... Trust in the people". They've made a mockery of your constitution ... it's time to either correct that ... or to write a new one in the blood of the treasonists. God Bless America.

  • The again, you COULD be living in Pennsylvania.

    Penn State AND The Eagles.

    William Penn must be proud!

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Tooot! Toooot!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYkjzEc6IJc

  • Jerry's not going anywhere, and is weakness is clearly - clearly - in his scouting team at the college level. He was gifted Carmini, and that story is not off to a great Chapter 1.

    He's smart enough to know he needs to trade down when possible in the early rounds. Shanahan set the model for RB value. Mike Shanahan RESET THE MARKET for overall RB value in the NFL.

    I doubt you'll see the Bears ever take a RB in the first round again. Not while this regime is here. And that's not necessarily bad. Forte was a 2nd rounder.

    I don't even think we should worry too too much that guys like John Harbaugh think Jerry is a crooked stooge. It's war, and all's fair.

    I think what chaps us most of all, is the drafting. Paea is this generation's Chris Zorich, and that's all he's gonna be. Not a good 2nd round call. Conte? Book is out. Carmini - book has yet to even really start, although the cover is nice. Cookie? We're lucky he is who he is, a hard working guy who CARES if he makes the grade and is willing to play guard, making tackle coin, hopefully - as it was said here - he gets it when contract is due.

    Forte got a pretty big offer, Forte is being poorly advised.

    Melton was a steal. Tim Jennings was a great pickup from the wire.

    We're a better organization year in and year out than the Chiefs, Browns, Vikes and pretty much every middle America city except maybe Green Bay and New Orleans. We're better overall, I would say, than Dallas - yet Jerry and that team's market worth dwarfs ours.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    And having endured life in Denver - I'll take being owned by an old lady who smells of limburger and ointment and her cadre of offspring north shore upper-class-twit-of-the-year types vs Pat Bowlen any day of the week.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Yep.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    And Jerry Jones has three Lombardis of his own doing.

  • Nice post Jeff...but JA is a fuck hole (See lack of Forte Contract) and like our wonderful monotone coach...MEDIOCRE at the VERY best. I'll trade him and our 3 draft picks for Kevin Colbert in a friggin heart beat...are you kidding me?

    Please get your lips off JA's butt crack it's making me sick!

  • In reply to Bears-4-Ever:

    sorry, but I had to LOL at that shit.

    Funny.

  • I surprised myself on how pro-Angelo I was on Kreutz. Kreutz messed up. No Carlton Fisk Harley celebration for you!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNwbjcuQUv8

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Actually, yeah, I'll give Angelo props on the Kreutz thing, that was straight up a good call. Fail, however, on having no backup other than our right guard ...

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    He did try, Irish. The guy singed for less elsewhere (Steelers?)

  • http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/chi-bears-give-tryouts-to-three-offensive-linemen-20111115,0,7625619.story

  • btw, these are my next two shirts:

    http://www.roadkilltshirts.com/DADD-DADS-AGAINST-DAUGHTERS-DATING-SHOOT-THE-FIRST-ONE-AND-THE-WORD-WILL-SPREAD-T-SHIRTWHITE-INK-P13132.aspx

    http://www.roadkilltshirts.com/GUNS-DONT-KILL-PEOPLE-DADS-WITH-PRETTY-DAUGHTERS-KILL-PEOPLE-T-SHIRT-P13180.aspx

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    oh, and then there's this too: http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/chi-bears-give-tryouts-to-three-offensive-linemen-20111115,0,7625619.story

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Those are great. I might as well buy them now.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    yup MBP.

    On second thought, maybe I'll skip the shirt and go straight for the metal.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I'm planning on hanging a machete over the fireplace.
    And when boys come a'courtin', why old man MBP will go clear some brush in the backyard.
    I have a feeling though, that lil' MBP is going to be able to take care of herself.
    A) She knows a couple of stanzas of "Bear Down" already and likes belting it out in public places
    B) Her mommy wears combat boots
    C) She laughs off the stuff that other kids start having public meltdowns over

    But, I'll keep the intimidation factor around...just in case.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    good call.

    Yeah, I'll quietly be cleaning a couple guns... with fucking hockey mask on and a running chainsaw propped up next to me.

    …no, seriously.

  • Well, the title of the post is "Time to Acknowledge Angelo's Successes" so the point is well taken. He does have several successes. But I'd rather a different GM or at a minimum a verty different scouting staff. They seem to hit on lower choices - because those guys have somethign to prove? Or because Angelo got lucky? Or because he is a smart talent evaluator. Sorry - but it CAN'T be the last - because then he'd have more great number 1s to his credit.

    The recent sucess at FAs and the Cutler trade is ONLY out of desparation. Have we already forgotten that bizzare press cinference when the top three got extended and the McCaskeys were looking on from about? They were given a last chance and out of desparation they actually improved the team. I don't call that a good GM - I call that surviving.

  • In reply to BillW:

    Time to Acknowledge Jerry Angelo's Successes - okay, let's give this a whirl.

    1) Briggsy.

    2)Hester (as a return man, solely - would have preferred an actual receiver in his place all these years in fairness)

    3) Ehhhh ....

    4) Signing Peppers.

    5) Grudgingly might have to put Cutler down in his column even though it was Orton who got us the gig and in light of the fact that he did nothing for the OL or WR position for two years after signing the dude and selling the farm. Actually, no, it was all about Orton, so scratch that.

    6) Marion Barber's all right (... but he fked up by not signing Mikel Leshoure ... bigtime. Or James Starks - keep it to 'successes' Irish !)

    7) Ehhhhh .....

    8) Nah, sorry, it's like trying to pull the positives out of Pol Pot's reign.

    So what's the upshot of that? Four good players in ten years? I'd have been fired years ago in any other line of work if I had that trail of sick on my CV.

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    I mean ... just look at the photo above and tell me you don't see Fonzerelli going "Eyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!"

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    +50

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    I still think you underrate Earl Bennett. A great pick for a third rounder.

  • Lions just released the punter that kicked to Hester Sunday.

    Class organization, I tell ya.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    If we're talking GMs then yes, Angelo is to some degree more successful than about 50 years of Detroit's management. That's his coups de grâce - he's better than Detroit.

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    If we want to talk Packers, they had the luxury of not needing to draft a quarterback high for longer than any franchise in NFL history.
    That makes a pretty significant impact on your approach to the draft.
    We were not going to find our future starter at the 18th spot in 2009 or 2010. Hell, after the Bucs picked Freeman at 17, the NEXT QB taken was Pat White at 44...and he's been out of football since 2010!

    Going back - the single worst first round in Angelo's tenure has to be 2003...and only partially because of Haynes. On the other hand, it was kind of a shitty draft class in total. That we got Briggs and Tillman out of it, whew.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    yeeeaaaahhhh... i guess you can make that argument. But this year's draft was free and clear of the cutty deal and next year's will be too right. Let's see. (i'd rather not, but I hold no illusions that anyone at halas will dump jerry to go after true success)

  • Doc

    Im gen x. You? When you were in high school, when teachers said I fear for your generation, did you kind of agree with them?

    I went to a brutal HS. When I went to college in A2 I felt the same way, man people are pricks, but I chalked alot of it up to New Yorkers who use A2 as their safety school.

    Now I work in finance. It can be a shark pit. I never got proper perspective on the nastiness until the last few years. Facebook has made everyone a shark

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Actually, I think there is a cohort of the highly vocal commenters on this board that falls specifically in the 34-38 range. We are...Gen X.

    I think we're OK - it's the one immediately behind us that I think is incredibly entitled, based on professional experience.
    Gen X came of age in the late 80's to early 90's which was a pretty bleak time in and of itself. It's the ones that were tweens in the boom times that you have to worry about.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I'm not sure I get your point. Do you see my point or not?

    Gen X, Guilty.

  • In reply to Doc Nitty 34:

    and the gen behind us... Gen y? or was it Gen WHHHHYYYYYYY?!?!?

  • In reply to gpldan:

    They were sharks before mate, Facebook just gave them the tools. Like Hicks said, "People are just viruses with shoes."
    The Holocaust / World Wars / Rwanda / Banks .. we just watch these things happen and let them unfold before our very eyes ... doing .... precisely ... fuck all ... about it. Pastor Niemoller syndrome. Apathetic, more-than-my-job's-worth, slugs that we are.

    Nuclear holocaust will be the best thing for the planet. 1969 was the peak of the human race, but we've been headed on a downward spiral ever since. Our race has failed. Just like Jerry Angelo.

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    Feeling a bit gloomy Irish? Human culture, society, and civilizations go in cycles. Check out Generations or The Fourth Turning. Interesting stuff.

    One constant is that *all* generations say "the kids today just don't have any respect" and "the kids today are spoiled". Every damn one of them.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    Well, except The Who.

    Remember, The Kids are Alright

  • How did my Lions punter post disappear? Fuggin' Gnome-code.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    And now it is back. So weird.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Oh My God! They are like... soooo claaaassy!

    Fuck the lions... fuck them right in their sad, pouty, wind-swept little faces.

    ...Especially you Yosmite Schwartz and 2-pick-6 stafford. Cunts.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Hah, as someone said, there's only room for one QB in the NFC North with douchey southern frat boy hair...and it ain't you, Stafford.

    Wish I could remember who that was.

  • As usual you are all correct.

  • In reply to Shady:

    thank you sir.

  • I can't speak intelligently about every move Angelo has made; 'cause until last year; my life was so full, that all I had time for was a to watch the few games that were shown here in SWFLA
    and that was just to spend time with my father doing something we enjoyed together; so I did not analyze what was happening.
    I just hoped for positive results.

    But, drafting doesn't seem to be an exact science
    I would hope that JA is getting better at his position
    I want him to build a trusted scouting mechanism; that produces above average results; so when the pick comes there is no hesitation
    get your shit together by beating the high school bushes and college bushes so you know just about every star talent that exists
    and then when you decide on a freshman at the college level; watch his progress; then objectively judge yourself as to how that prospect developes.
    and if you find you are wrong, about that prospect; figure out what was messed up about your mechanism; that made you so high on that prospect....and fix it
    I do not know that this is going on at hallas hall; because I have yet to read any article that discusses the structure of our scouting mechanism.
    If he wants respect for his choices; eliminate the controllable variables; that are causing you to make unwise decisions....

    who do we have shaking the bushes in high school play?
    who do we have shaking the bushes at all division levels of college?
    who do we have compiling this information; keeping track of it on a weekly basis;
    and looking at it from all possible angles
    I know nothing about how deep this part of the bears organization is....why is that....I have tried to find this info since I decided to "get into this" and I can't find it.

    JA should just be a final organizing thought processor; after being presented with this info.
    then he should suit up and make the best available pick.

    there should not be so much credit given to him for good draft picks; the credit should go to his system, and its employees
    but if we are getting busted by players that we choose; then there should be some criticism about his scouts; and the mechanism that he has installed to mine talent.
    at present it seems to me that his system is average at best; because he has seemed a bit out of sync on draft day
    if you do not have your needs prioritized accordingly; with the draft players available at that time...then maybe he hasn't built a first class analyzing unit
    if this is the case, that is on your shoulders JA
    To me he is a work in progress
    although I do like the coaching personel he has ammassed;
    and if that is him, or lovie, somebody is getting high marks in that regard.

  • In reply to huntinbare:

    very very true Hunti... that is exactly what SHOULD happen, and what DOES happen with the good to great GMs and their orgs

    ...not the closing of eyes, throwing of a dart at a wall full of printed out faces, and hoping that 'this 5th rd pick from east bumfuck west college will be one of my lucky laters'

    FML.

  • In reply to huntinbare:

    "I can't speak intelligently about every move Angelo has made..."

    That's okay HB, neither can he. Bada-bing!

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    thanks for startin my day with a good one

  • one thing I would like some comments on

    I was wondering today why we are playing more man coverage the last few games at the corner spot
    or from my perspective it seems like we are....is this true?

    if we are....could the reason be this?

    are we trying to develope a style in our cover 2 that will better match up to what The Vampire Rogers does?
    Are we giving our ideas a test drive to see how it will work?
    any ideas or comments will help me understand and grow morre knowledgable about the game itself

  • In reply to huntinbare:

    That's a very good question Huntin.

    We've played a lot less cover-2 these last 2 years than ppl think (there was some percentage, but maybe if Michael L comes along he can give the #).

    Our recent shift to more man is for a few reasons.

    1) Marinelli is more in charge of the D than Lovie. What does this mean? Marinelli is more aggressive and takes more risks than Lovie. Heck, a grandma driving a Volvo takes more risks than Lovie. So, more man.

    2) No matter what anyone says at Hallas, we finally have safeties who can cover. Harris was a major liability in coverage and Wright/Manning while fast, lacked the experience or instincts.

    Conte is a former CB, while Wright is still learning, but has looked decent in covering.

    Thus, we're seeing more exotic play-calls due to this budding trust in athletic safeties

    3) Our corners are just playing better. Peanut has always been Peanut, and god knows he's been burned in the past (Steve Smith, Owens, etc). But Peanut this year is playing lights-out. Tim Jennings plays bigger than his size and D.J. Moore always seems like he's in exactly the right spot.

    4) Pressure from our D-line. This is the Peppers effect. Without Pepper's pressure, and occasional Okoye/Melton/Izzy, that man-to-man would be exposed. In short, no Peppers, less man, less blitzes, less everything.

    What we did to the Eagles was a thing of beauty. We played cover-2, cover-3, cover-1, blitzed...Vick was totally discombobulated, and even admitted as much.

    What we did to the Lions was more a punch in the face than jabs and counters.

  • In reply to 4ever85:

    grama in a volvo
    perfect descrition
    and a good laugher to start my day

    thanks for the education

  • In reply to 4ever85:

    Arizona also beat the Eagles, it has to be said ... with a QB named Jhn Skelton (?). In fact, most teams seem to beat the Eagles, but I'll take all the Ws .....

  • In reply to huntinbare:

    Nicely spotted and raised HB. Why are we playing more man? Because we were getting raped playing mostly zones, and surely it makes more sense to cover players ..... than areas of space ?! Peanut is great in man to man coverage, why not let him do his thing? Still not sold on Tim Jennings man-man though .... DJ Moore is just a stud and Corey Graham is also a demon in space when he's let. Whose wife did Zack Bowman punk?

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    we can only speculate on the wife punking
    i hope tim is paying great attention to tape on his packer play
    and gettin' ready
    there will be plenty of pressure put on him

  • so this is kind of gay of me to post, but I found it pretty damn funny... and so will guys like Johnny, maybe GP, and definitely doc (see how I did that doc?)...

    http://shine.yahoo.com/parenting/15-ways-not-raise-toddler-184200408.html

    The young guys are just going wtf and shaking their heads?!?! Yeah, keep shaking… you'll get yours eventually fuckers.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    and MBP... meant to list MBP in there too.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    i worked a hell of a day today, came home and was lying on the floor with my eyes closed and a huge plastic glass of ice water next to my head.
    My year and half old girl yells Daddddddyyyyy!!!! and lunges towards my head and tackles my face like Peppers. She suddenly stops, picks up the glass of ice water and walks away.
    I am exhausted so i let her take it and i resume closed eye reclining position on the floor.
    I must have dozed off because the next thing i hear is the pitter patter of little feet and my daughter standing above me. She quietly says "Monkey" and dumps the ice water on my face. classic.

  • HAHAHAHAHAHA...

  • BAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHA... fucking awesome story. Love it.

    What is it with kids and moneys???? My daughter HAS to have her TWO stuffed monkeys (one a curious george and the other a long-limbed sucker) to sleep and takes them everywhere. Everything is monkey, monkey... and one of our nicknames for her is little monkey. Something about monkeys

  • Monkeyed!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I wish I'd known #10 much, much earlier in life.

    Like, just before that first major bout with stomach flu when she had just turned two. Note to Artoo, in addition to diaper wiipes, steal some vomit bags next time you fly somewhere and hide them away in the medicine cabinet. They will come in handy one way or the other - and you're in your twenties, so if nothing else, you can save them for post-bachelor parties.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Yes, very gay (not that there's anything wrong with that), very true and very funny. Especially #8.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Even if they don't think they can, MB. Life is full of little surprises. Yes boys, you'll get yours ....

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Jebus, that is so spot on. All in order of importance too ....

    1. DON'T ask, "Why did you do that?"
    2. DON'T be surprised by the number of things that can end up in your toilet.
    3. DON'T be surprised by the number of things that can NOT end up in your toilet. Number two, for example, can occasionally end up in your purse.

  • I think it's fair to say the draft as a whole has been awful. He's hit on a couple of mid rounders, but they are mostly system guys, not guys that can carry the torch after our other stars decline. The 1st round has been abysmal though, you are right on that, with only Chris Williams still playing for us.

    Hester & Forte were great 2nd round picks, no doubt there. Tillman was a great pick way back in 2003 as well. However, not including this draft (too early to judge any of the players), there has been 5 other 2nd rounders drafted by Jerry, all no longer with the team, 4 of them are out of the league. He has also traded away 2 recent 2nd rounders.

    The 3rd round has been one of his better rounds, having produced Briggs (back in 03) , Earl Bennett, & Major Wright. But of the other 8, no other is still with the team, while 3 are playing elsewhere, and the 5 others are out of the NFL.

    The 4th has produced 4 players on the current roster: Steltz, Melton, DJ Moore, & Wooton. It also produced Orton, a backup in Denver, the only 4th rounder on another team, and a staggering 7 others currently out of the NFL.

    Out of 16 picks, round 5 features a slash line of 4 with the Bears/1 with another team/11 out of the game.

    Rounds 6 & 7 are crap shoots, but he did draft 2 current Bears, Webb & Lance Louis.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    The draft is the backbone of any NFL franchise. You can't patch holes quickly enough, through free agency & trades, to compensate for a failure to draft franchise players. Angelo has been terrible here with the draft. No titles, only 4 playoff appearances in 10 years, & an overall 3-4 playoff record during his tenure -- sorry, but I expect more, much more. I will acknowledge him when he deserves it & actually does something here.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    welcome ry. well done.

    I was going to do the research tonight or tomorrow to pull jerry's entire record in the draft. Saved me the trouble.

    Hey Jeff, how do you feel about the above?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Thanks MB30SD. I read Da Bears Blog occasionally, and had to chime in on this one. Love the blog Jeff, you really have an impressive following. I just can't agree with you here.

    The draft is really most important, but his trade & free agent records are both spotty too, & he also inherited some of his great players.

    As the 30 something stars of this team decline, and Forte as well considering the shelf life of an NFL back, can anyone honestly be optomistic about the future that Angelo has laid out for us? I like the potential of the young O-line if they can add another good pick, and Cutler -- that's about it, and Cutler's 28.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    Cutler should have the better part of 5-6 years ahead of him as an elite QB, and Hanie proved himself quite capable in the NFC Championship game last year.
    Find me an NFL franchise that has been competitive, not dominant, for more than 8 consecutive years in the last 40 and I will buy you a beer at the DBB convention in 2012. I invented that of course, but I also invented the free beer.
    Everyone cycles up and cycles down. The trick is to win the rings on the up-cycle and that is harder than it looks. We may go through a rough patch of 3-4 years or more once the current defensive talents starts to slide off the radar. That's reality - whether Angelo is good, bad, or indifferent is not germane to the fact that all franchises, every...single...one...peak and fall as their "hits" come in and leave. You just hope that when you start a downslide, that you make another hit or three..

    Anyway, I'm in a good mood - we have nothing but blue skies ahead, boys....it's the AFC West as far as the eye can see, and Detroit lies in shambles behind us.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Cutler's an Angelo win, I'm not denying that. But he can barely carry this team now & make the players around him better, some even say he can't. 2 years down the road, are you really still holding your hat on Cutler, MikeBrownhadaPosse? Because there won't be much else. He better turn into a top 5 elite QB pretty quickly. I'm sure not counting on Hanie to do that either.

    Secondly, while top level teams have off years, or cycle down, they surely have better consistency than the Bears, plus better high end production, ie a SuperBowl trophy.

    But I'm in a pretty good mood too -- this season is looking up. Not so good of a mood to go delirious & give Angelo credit when not deserving however.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    Two years down the road - who knows? No one expected we'd have to go looking for another franchise DT after drafting Butter, or another franchise running back after spending the 4th pick on Benson, or several wasted picks on safeties after my namesake suffered freak injuries year in and year out.
    All I know is, we're getting a helluva lot closer than many, many other teams have over the past 7-8 years and I'm not going to crucify Angelo yet. I give way more credit and blame to the coaching staff in terms of holding the guys that are on the roster accountable for their performance. And that is what Lovie has done a much, much better job of this year, and why we're back in the playoff hunt.
    Glad to have you aboard - good thoughts.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    All I'm saying is with that draft record, the numbers don't favor a very bright future. I'm predicting 2 more years. If you have no foundation, you just can't win.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Good point about the coaching staff though. They are so much better when Lovie holds everyone accountable.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    Again, Cutler is not a winning move until we win it all. Anything else and he's cost us big-time at the detriment of the roster overall.

    My $0.02.

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    Either Jerry drafts well in the 1st round or he doesn't.
    If he doesn't, then how is it a miss to have picked up Cutty for that price, especially looking at what Oakland gave up for that douche, Palmer?
    Is anyone arguing that he would have hit anything with those two LATE first rounders?
    Even I'm not, and I'm starting to sound like a fuggin apologist for the guy - which I am not.

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    that makes no sense Irish. A winning move is bringing in a guy that can help you win the big games. One guy doesn't win you the superbowl though if you choose not to give him weapons and protection.

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    Bingo! Fucking Bingo!

    And please remind the class johnny, who was the person who chose not to give him weapons or protection... hmmmmmm....

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    I think it's a winning move, but he's also not an elite QB. You have to surround him with a lot of talent, but you can win with him.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    Yeah, Welcome man. I stopped printing my factual tirades years ago because it was just becoming a personal bugbear, suffice it to say that when one actually looks at all of his personnel decisions and draft picks, there is zero case to be made for his defense. He sucks at his job. Period. He sucks donkey balls, enough said.

  • And just to recap, from '02-'10:

    Players still with Bears/ Players with other teams/ Players not on NFL roster -- by round selected

    1st - 7 total 1/5/1
    2nd - 8 t 3/1/4
    3rd - 11 t 3/1/7
    4th - 12 t 4/1/7
    5th - 16 t 4/1/11
    6th - 8 t 0/2/6
    7th - 13 t 2/0/11

    Over those 9 years its a total of:
    17 players still on the roster
    11 playing with other squads
    47 not in the NFL

    Angelo has had some hits, but the average is not good, and far too few home runs.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    I'd like to see how those numbers match up with other GMs in the league.

  • In reply to Shady:

    Probably not very well, but you're welcome to do the research ;)

  • In reply to Shady:

    Maybe, but the Bears are easily the 4th or 5th best team in the NFC this year and we still have 7 games to climb the charts.

  • BTW - you know what is hard to find on e-bay?
    A Peanut jersey.

    Way too difficult.
    I do need to replace my family heirloom Mike Brown jersey though. Gave it to my youngest brother as a changing of the guard when I got my Cutler one.
    Now I kind of miss it.
    Ah, Peanut - you are causing me an existential crisis here.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    did you just say you GAVE AWAY your MIKE BROWN jersey?!!?!?

    I am seriously considering requesting that you revoke your handle and change it to something like AdamArchuletaaintgotShit.

    ('cept a smokin wife of course)

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    It did stay in the family, and he can vouch for the fact that it pained me deeply to give it up.
    However, someone had to wear it on game-days, and I've been rocking the #6 since day 1.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    If it makes you feel better, I just put a bid in one on Ebay tonight. Even tougher to find than Peanut? A toddler size jersey.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    MBHP - how fucking small are you mang? do you have some pituitary problem? Are you freakishly small? Is it hard to meet girls if you can fit inside them?

  • hee hee

  • I'm one of the goddamn Gnomes, Waffle.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    http://a2.twimg.com/profile_images/1077079464/beard73_bigger.jpg

  • still not sold on the texans... especially without their fucking QB!!!

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d824260b3/article/top-10-gets-a-shakeup-after-big-wins-by-pats-texans-bears?module=HP11_hot_topics

  • man, I can't even muster hate for these poor bastards any more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/football/nfl/11/15/vikings.winfield.surgery.ap/index.html?sct=nfl_t2_a7

    I can't see leslie making it out of this year.

  • Testing gnome code. Testing, testing, 1,2,3.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    Fail! Fail! Fail! Gnome code will self-destruct in T minus five minutes ...

  • i found out that scouting is where angelo startes with tampa bay
    so maybe he is ammassing some better talent in that department
    ruskell is his pal from those tampa days

    here is a link to a breakdown of personnel devoted to scouting departments throughout the league

    http://sonsofsamhorn.net/topic/62662-nfl-scoutingplayer-personnel-departments/

  • Matt Millen drafted Charles Johnson, does that make him a good GM? Just because Jerry got lucky with Hester doesn't let him off the hook for a decade of awful #1 draft choices. And since you mentioned that a GM's job involves more than drafting - let me remind you that Angelo FAILED on draft day trading picks with the Ravens, who will probably never do business with the Bears again. And since you also mentioned the Packers, let's not forget they put half their team on IR last year and still won the Superbowl. You think the Bears will go anywhere if their linebackers, Peppers or Forte is injured? Speaking of Forte, you used that as an example of a successful draft, but you failed to mention how his current contract situation is reflecting poorly on the front office.
    The "success" of the Bears this year has as much to do with parity than it has with Angelo. He's still one of the worst GM's in the league, averaging one hit every three years in the draft, and 0 hits in the first round (Carimi looks like a keeper, but he hasn't been on the field yet so that's still a first round fail so far.)
    This is just an awful, biased article without any mention of Angelo's horrible failures as a GM.

  • In reply to alphaneko:

    Correction - Calvin Johnson*
    This article is still awful. =P

  • In reply to alphaneko:

    Jeff gets homer-itis. He drops the lysergic and puts on his rose colored glasses, and plays Sgt. Pepper and we end up with posts like these. It'll pass, esp. if we drop the chargers game...

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Naw, he achieved his goal. He is a budding sports media maven who needs to be seen/heard. He knew exactly what this post would do. We’ve already had two newbies show up out of the blue almost as outraged as I am with jerry’s failures and willing to commit them to the timeless pages of the interwebs (where a minute seems like a nano-mili-second).

    Bottom line, jeff knows that even in this day of ridiculousness… even bad press is still press.

    I can’t believe that he actually feels that way about angelo… at least unless he did zero reflection/research about the facts/truth. I getcha Jeff… well played sir.

  • Jimmy shaved his beard. Now he looks less like a gnome, and more like Stanley Tucci.

    http://www.chicagonow.com/chicago-hearts-trivia/2010/09/trivia-from-chicagonow-septembers-tweetup/

    But Tucci code just doesn't ring,

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Stanley! Stop drinking beer and fix the damn code!!!!!!!!!

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Hah!

  • I'm playing Artoo this week.

    Well, I guess I'll be 8-3 next week....

  • In reply to gpldan:

    ouch, I wouldn't take that guff if I were you Erik.

  • so who is snakebit for the second half?

    * Houston
    * Chiefs

    ...To a lesser degree

    * Chargers - they haven't lost rivers or gates, but a shitload of other dudes
    * Vikings - Just terrible. All they have is Mullet because AP ain't doing shit

    Maybes....

    * Steelers - ruthlessraper has a fractured thumb right?
    * Raidahs – Is whatsisface coming back soon? Someone said they did fine with bush in there, but that was against the chargers

    Anyone else? Anyone else on our schedule

  • Bears 1st round picks since Angelo regime began post-draft in 2001.

    2002 - Colombo....29th pick. Career was derailed by injuries in Chicago, but served as an effective starter for 5 years in Dallas

    2003 - Michael Haynes...14th pick. A complete whiff - was ranked #4 DE available in the draft.

    2003 - Rex Grossman...22nd pick. Where to begin? He's still a starting QB in the league, but...

    2004 - Tommie Harris...14th pick. A game changer at DT until his injuries in 2006 and 2007. Worst criticism of Angelo here is the big extension post-hamstring/knee injury.

    2005 - Cedric Benson...4th pick. Punishing back with horrible attitude, going to show once again, you don't pick running backs from Texas in the first round. Who knew he was a sociopath? I blame Angelo for not cutting ties when he cried at the draft.

    2006 - traded out of the first round but ended up landing two impact players, Manning and Hester in the second. While Manning never settled down into a stable spot in the secondary, he was a stellar kick returner and a flex play for the Bears as needed in the defensive backfield. Hester is just the GOAT returner.

    2007 - Olsen...31st pick. Hard to argue that he was our best receiver for a three year span and hard to find stellar OL prospects at the 31st pick.

    2008 - Williams...14th pick. Slow start but is developing into a very effective starter at LG. Showed flashes in 2009 of developing into a starting LT but have to downgrade this pick for Jerry taking a flyer and then watching the guy sit with a back injury.

    2009 - we got Cutty...ugly draft at the top but we didn't pick until 68th,
    Later round picks panned out better than the top.

    2010 - we got Cutty...and found another starting OL in the 7th.

    2011 - Carimi...29th pick. Like CW, the biggest issue here is the injury risk. He was a day one starter on the OL at right tackle. If he gets healthy and stays healthy, this is a great pick that late in the first round.

    All in all, my case is this: we have had one high draft pick in the last ten years - Benson.
    If you look at the picks on an individual basis, the biggest criticism I would have of Angelo is his high-risk, high-reward approach on players with known medical history issues. However, that being said, no one was going to predict Tommie's leg getting torn up two years in a row. Unless we are willing to sacrifice an entire slate of picks, like the Falcons did this year, we're simply going to continue playing roulette with the mid-to-late first rounders. I think the approach he took in 2006 was the best...trade down and pick up multiple value picks that provide depth and allow the front office to play the percentages. The teams that consistently draft high are doing so because they are bad. Not 7-9 bad, but terrible. Compare the Lions 1st rounders over the past five years with ours and it's not that big of a gap.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    And before I get jumped for comparing us to the Lions - there were more than a handful of people riding their Johnsons at the beginning of this year for their "stellar" turnaround.

    In the meantime, two of their first rounders have serious medical risks (I wouldn't be surprised if Best retires before the end of 2012) and they are still extremely thin at key positions.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I was one of those Johnson riders MBP… and still am as it pertains to their draft strategy. If we have to be fair about those aholes… they’ve only had what, 2-3 years with the current regime?

    And while their coach is a fucking moron tool, their draft strategy the last two years has been MUCH stronger than ours, and I imagine it will continue. If it does, that team will continue to get better and younger. Their coaching may very well be shit, and they have yet to throw the yoke of organizational failure… but I cannot and will not say that their last two drafts have been worse than ours… or anyone else’s in the league for that matter.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    It's not strategy - they're picking 30 spots higher than us because they sucked!
    In 2009, they had two top 20 picks! And the number 1 pick in that draft (for $42 million guaranteed), Stafford, is so injury prone that he's managed to play in only 22 out of 42 games since he was anointed as the starter in preseason his rookie year.
    The rest of that draft class provided starters because their roster had been gutted but has deteriorated over time.
    In 2010, they had the #2 pick. got Suh, which was shock to no one. And then traded up to get a guy with a history of concussions who has...surprise, continued to get concussions and is now at risk of retiring.
    In 2011. they had the 13 pick and got Fairley - who has managed to play in 4 games, with two tackles.
    Two.
    And now he has a surgically repaired foot.

    I'm not exactly blown away by their track record -particularly- given the position of those picks.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    all valids points, but they've had high draft picks pretty much every year since they became a team due to their shittiness... so, things are obviously looking up for them. I've liked a lot of their picks and they also did well in FA.

    Look, i'm starting to really dislike the lions reall good... but I think in the last two years they've gotten their personnel shit together.Not saying they're the packers these days, just saying they've been aggressive and are starting to pull it together.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Well, their current regime is no Matt Millen, but that doesn't make them, as Viva said, Ozzie Newsome either.

    Stafford, Best, Pettigrew, Suh, Fairley vs. Cutler, Carimi

    Would you be willing to trade three years of being absolutely terrible to switch those names?

    Erase the NFC Championship run in the hopes that Best doesn't retire, Fairley doesn't re-break his foot, Stafford doesn't end a season on IR again...Suh, as much as I hate him, is the one guy on that list that I think is panning out long-term. And even he is more rep than performance this year.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Let me put it this way.
    If the Bears had held the #1 pick in 2009 and drafted a guy who managed to suit up for barely half of the games that we have played since then, and our front office dropped $42mil on him for the privilege?
    We would be up in arms! This board would be destroying our front office for a blown pick.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I think the Giants have had extremely (almost freakishly so) comparable draft positions to our front office over the last ten years and have done somewhat better...but they were a fluke catch from losing in the SB too.

  • JA is a great GM, who turned da club around. Think back to where we were prior to Jerry. We had Wandstadt trading a 4th pick in the draft for a guy who had already been considered a draft bust two years prior (Rick Mirer).

    The playoff run we had in 05 and 06 was the result of Jerry building a team using all 3 methods: (Tait, Rueben Brown, Fred Miller, Mushin, Robbie Gould, Thomas Jones, Brendan Ayenbaydejo....) to suggest his fingerprints were not on the roster is careless...

    Cliff Stein is the best contract guy in the business - and the salary cap has been very well managed for us.

    JA understands the value of the QB position and got us a QB.

    JA understands the value of position coaches, and he got us top 5 o-line and d-line coaches.

    The perfect decision maker does not exist.

    Their is not a man alive who can detrmine what will happen to a 22 year old after you give him 15 million reasons to flake out.

    Jerry Angelo is a top 5 GM in this league. I prefer Ozzie Newsome. But the Bears are the NFC version of the Ravens, each team is built the same way.

    Get some! Bear down!

  • In reply to Viva:

    Nice Viva.

    But I cannot let the Angelo record rest without mentioning what I considered the worst move. Hiring Ron Turner.

  • In reply to Viva:

    "JA understands the value of position coaches, and he got us top 5 o-line and d-line coaches."

    But when? How long has Maranelli been here ... Mike Tice? They're a long time coming, man. What about Harry Hiestand? Ron Turner? Daryl Drake? Even Mike Martz has been shooting us in the foot the last two years by calling plays for a team that didn't exist.

    I would say that with an average to good GM we have ourselves another Lombardi in 06. He nailed this organization to Rex Grossman's colors. He said "Rex is the man" and that makes him clueless in my book. Ditka\Finks said "Mac is the man", and that is what separates the wheat from the chaff. That is what denied us a superbowl.

    I don't think anyone expects the perfect decision maker, but certainly we can expect somebody who can do better than the average Joe in the street. And that's not Angelo. You could put all the good decisions he's made on one post-it note, the bad ones would fill an A4 journal.

  • http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Bears-expected-to-make-roster-moves-today.html

    this example is were Glitchy" hasn't moved well..with no depth

    btw.. IT"S THE FUCKING O-LINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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