Thoughts on Caleb Hanie's Rather Dismal Debut and a Bears Loss

Thoughts on Caleb Hanie's Rather Dismal Debut and a Bears Loss
  • It was very clear to me that Caleb Hanie never found solid footing the entire afternoon. He never looked comfortable in the pocket and looked less comfortable when he was intentionally rolled out. I thought he’d have been instructed to take off running once the play broke down around him but apparently he was instructed to lob balls into traffic. Overall a supremely poor debut for Hanie but he’ll be given the Chiefs at Solider Field next week to improve.
  • This game changed at the end of the first half and I blame Lovie Smith. Down 9-7, with a chip shot field goal there for the taking and a touchdown attainable, Lovie allowed Mike Martz to call a throwback screen with Hanie. Picked off. The Bears defense continued their valiant play and held the game at 12-7 but the Bears were unable to play catch-up the rest of the afternoon.
  • Lance Louis’ tackle on that play should go in the Plays of the Year reel.
  • Marian Barber ran the ball more consistently and with more authority than Matt Forte yesterday and I would have given him more snaps.
  • So Johnny Knox will be Caleb’s number one receiver, huh? Okay. But if you’re going to be the number one you need to catch the ball consistently.
  • I warned you all about Shane Lechler’s punting. He negates all punt returns because he’s one of the greatest punters in the history of the game.
  • Nice kicking, Robbie Gould.
  • Why I can’t get too upset with games like yesterday? There were half a dozen plays where Hanie simply bailed before he needed to. At times when Cutler would have stood strong and delivered a rocket down the field, Hanie started sprinting away from defenders. Life with a backup…
  • Hanie’s limitations might provide impetus to work Devin Hester back into the receiver rotation.
  • Very strange to see LoveRod leave Jennings on an island on the game-winning, third-and-long go route toss from Carson Palmer. Seemed that would be the ideal time to be in the zone.
  • Jennings also dropped two interceptions. He catches those balls, Bears win.
  • Overall the defense played exactly how you’d expect them to play on an afternoon where the QB looked as inept at Hanie did. They gave the Bears a chance to win the game.
  • Don’t let the special teams penalties get lost in the headlines. The return team buried the offense with holds on the first two returns.
  • Nick Roach continues his improvement. He might have been the best linebacker on the field for the Bears this week.
  • Corey Graham has picks in three straight games? Does any team in the league have more depth at nickel corner than the Chicago Bears?
  • Have we abandoned any designed outside runs?

Overall it is a loss to a good team on the road and hopefully Mr. Hanie will have worked through whatever led him to play the way he played. The Bears now embark on a winnable three-game stretch, starting with Kansas City at home, and Hanie cannot allow this offense to regress to the 2002-2005 era. He cannot make touchdowns rarer than foie gras hot dogs with a side of duck fat fries. It is incumbent upon Lovie, Martz and Hanie to spend the next six days making this thing work. If they don’t, there might not be a postseason for Cutler to return to.

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Extra note: Jeff Pearlman will discuss Sweetness on the Weekend Show! Friday. He'll also be in the city this week. Check him out:

Nov. 28:  Jeff Pearlman will discuss and sign “Sweetness,” 7 p.m. at
Anderson’s Bookshop, 123 W. Jefferson Ave., Naperville.

Nov. 30: Jeff Pearlman will discuss his book, “Sweetness: The
Enigmatic Life of Walter Payton,” at 7:30 p.m. at KAM Isaiah Israel
Congregation, 1100 E. Hyde Park Boulevard. The event is free and open
to the public.

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  • Not time to panic yet. If we win the next two games, I'll be satisfied.

  • In reply to BigDaddy:

    i'll be satisfied if the d-line can keep up this consistent pressure for the rest of the slate. minus palmer's 47-yard dagger to murphy, the secondary looked great yesterday. and a lot of that was due to pressure.

    side note: graham's gotta fight harder for that ball on the onside kick. he had a chance to wrestle it away.

  • In reply to Warrior Waddle:

    The gy wrestling him for it was bigger and stronger. I don't imagine Corey just gave up on the ball.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    i'm not saying he gave up. but when the game is on the line you have to come up with the ball. doesn't matter if the guy is bigger or stronger. if the bigger/stronger guy always won, no linebacker/cornerback/safety would ever tackle brandon jacobs. but, as he's taught us, he's just a big bundle of fall down.

  • In reply to Warrior Waddle:

    Looked to me like he got it... Not sure how those decisions get made. Didn't even seem like refs wait for the guy to come out of the pile with the football.

    Is it a bunch of guys yelling "I GOT IT!" and "NO, I GOT IT", then the ref decides what works best for the NFL story lines?

    I've always been very confused about how those calls get made, especially in situations like yesterday. It looked to me, with complete Chicago bias, that it was Bears ball.

    I propose jump balls, or rugby style face-offs...

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    The refs basically take it on a 'who's got the ball at the end' basis. Doesn't matter if you win it first if someone can rip it the ball away before the refs fish you out.

    Best example of this would be the chiefs recovery of Rivers' fumbled snap. Pretty sure that SD got the initial recovery, but the chiefs defender just dives in, takes the ball away and gets out. Refs declare chiefs ball.

    Major kudos has to be given to Gould, regardless of the outcome-he kicked a pretty sweet onside kick two plays in a row. I bet if the raiders didn't call a timeout we would have recovered the first one

  • In reply to DYLbear23:

    i'd give kudos to tillman on that second onside kick. yes, it was a nice one, but it did go right into that poor raider player's arms.

    and i call him "that poor raider player" because peanut absolutely took his head off.

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    C'mon...you can't be serious about story lines. You're sitting on your Barcalounger watching a play on a camera from pretty far away and you can make the call? Give it up and take your medicine like a man. Until Cutler comes back, if the D or Spec Tms don't play to their capabilities, it's curtains.

  • In reply to jalber9648:

    1. If the post is not littered with profanity, I'm not serious. No, this isn't the NBA, I don't legitimately think the story lines come into play. I was making a point at the seemingly arbitrary decisions sometimes made before someone comes out with ball in hand.

    2. No barcalounger.

    3. Nothing to give up.

    4. Shhhhhhhhhhh... grown folks are talking.

  • Hey Phil, post your comment from the previous thread over on this side. Well written and I agree with all your points.

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    Read it... couple things:

    * Olsen... fucking really Phil?!? Common man.

    * 100% on forte.. I've been quietly thinking the same thing to myself... looks like he's giving it 60% for the last 2-3 games. Hmmmm...

    * Chiefs put in a good effort against the steelers last night (although that team is ALWAYS a different team without palomalu)

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    been

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I would have kept Olsen but converted him to WR. If it didn't work, then they could have just let him go in a free agent year. If it did, then you have a fast 6'6" receiver with great hands not being asked to block as much. Hopefully though, JA doesn't screw up what should be a very early 3rd rounder. I say package it with some more picks to land Justin Blackmon -- guy's a beast.

  • Hanie is the same size as Cutler, yet seems smaller, doesn't he?

    I agree that his biggest issue is his ability to stand in the pocket and deliver the fastball (without sailing it).

    Yesterday was like a clinic in Cutler's value in a free market. Also, alot of sheer Martz stubbornness. He was going to call a Martz playbook. Period. No adjustment to his personnel at ALL. That was the Cutler playbook, exactly as Martz would have called it had Jay been in there.

    That was stupid. But, as I've learned this year, pretty typical for Mikey M.

  • again...our martzy had the blood rush to his boner and he was not thinking with the correct head..damn 3 pics thess scores..and yes. gp hanie looked like a smurf possibly smurfette...

    1. double deuce for two weeks now seems to be getting stuffed and has not the same moves....

    2. what pissed me off most about this game...champions find a way to win.....we did not. but yet we had the chance.

    3. we cannot expect our D to survive and be fresh if you go three and out on O. but gallant effort boys!!!

    4. lost focus on the ST's when was the last time you saw so many penalties on our ST's.....bad omen

    5. Had the chance to jump on the Pussies and didn't take care of biz...I hope this doesn't come to haunt us as the Fudge did last year.

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    any time i see a flag fly on a return i make a handshake bet with myself that the ref is gonna announce #35.

    i win that handshake every time.

  • In reply to Warrior Waddle:

    booowman!

    (said in angry jerry seinfeld voice)

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    +1 on the Seinfeld reference, and it's ease of portability to the Bears ST woes.

  • In reply to Warrior Waddle:

    I was sure it was Bowman too.

    Like I said last week. Can we please not hold on returns? Hester doesn't need THAT much help.

  • This was a good thought:

    "Overall, Hanie opened with enough bad decisions to warrant long-term concerns but closed with enough good ones to justify short-term patience..."

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-spt-1128-haugh-bears-chicago--20111128,0,588435.column

  • Taking the Raiders on their home field is a hell-of-a task for a first NFL start for Hanie. Can't hear anything in that stadium. Although, to their credit, Raiders fans haven't figured out the yelling in their own quarterback's ears thing yet; which Bears fans have down to a science. It was a highly winnable game. I don't fault Hanie with this loss nor do I think it determines anything about his value because it is just one game. Now... If this happens next week at home against the chiefs, I'll be ready to pass some judgement. I do miss Cutler though. BTW, I have heard more media talking heads spew that Cutler's injury is going to destroy the Bears than possibly anyone but Favre... what is weird about THAT, is that as recently as 2 months ago many of these talking heads were saying he is either: Weak, Cowardly, Mopy, a jerk, a bad teammate, etc. Basically Bears fans, the media just wants you to lose. They want you to hate your own players, yesterday it's cutler, today it's Hanie. Don't give in, they are all Packers fans!

  • In reply to irootedforjayin09:

    + 1. Nice post.

  • In reply to irootedforjayin09:

    Yeah the media is against the Bears and we are all trying to tell every Bear fan to hate their team. Brilliant!!! Congrats, you are this days dumbest Bear fan!!! Kudos to you!

  • In reply to stats3599:

    why the fuck are you here? Moron.

  • I'm willing to write that first half performanceoff as "The Green Acres Shakedown Cruise".

    If he's not better THIS week, THEN I will be concerned.

    Still frustrating because if he only throws TWO picks, the Bears probably win it.

    MAJOR props to Lance Louis for that 5 Star (and KEY) hustle play.

  • CAVEAT EMPTOR regarding the Bears' next 2 opponents:.

    Kansas City's defense held the Steelers to 13 points last night.

    Denver hasn't won 5 of 6 because Tim Tebow took over at QB but because their defense has allowed less that 20 points a game in 4 of those wins.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    I usually do not sign in on my DROID to leave a message or give my input but thank you for saying that. Sure Tebow has a winning record but this defense is making it close.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Exactly. That Seahawks D is no slouch either. It's a bad time for our offense to suffer a blow. However, I do think playing at home next week will make a huge difference. I think Hanie really wants to win. I don't think he has a backup mentality. And because of that he'll work his ass off this week to make some big strides to get ready for KC.

  • In reply to WeShallReturn:

    don't sell them short wsr, they're a tremendous slouch.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    +1 caddyshack.

  • In reply to Warrior Waddle:

    Actually Groucho said that about 40-50 years earlier than Rodney. Still a funny line.

  • In reply to WeShallReturn:

    "I think Hanie really wants to win."

    Can you point me to any NFL quarterback who would rather lose?

  • In reply to WeShallReturn:

    The Hawks are tied for second in the NFL allowing a stingy 3.5 yards per carry. There are no easy games for us Post-Cutler.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Agreed. Remember Kansas tore apart the team that just beat us, albeit under different circumstances, and their defense is facing Caleb Hanie. The great unkmown has now become our achilles heel.

    Tebow's 5-1 as a starter colored anyway you like, with a few studs on their D - also now facing ... Caleb Hanie. 22 rushes against his last opponents and a QB rating of 94 ?

    We have NO easy games with CH at QB even if we're at HQ.

  • Caleb didn't protect the ball well, but the only interception I really faulted him on was the first one. The second one over Forte's head was just inexperience and the throwback screen was a stupid call against a great Raiders D. That's on the coaches.

    I can think of only a few scenarios more difficult for a young QB to make his first NFL start. Ideally it would've been nice to play the Colts or Jags at home to get warmed, but maybe being thrown into the fire of the Black Hole right off is a good thing. Maybe next week against the Chiefs will seem like a cake walk - although they looked pretty damn tough against the Steelers.

    I can't wait to see what happens next Sunday.

  • In reply to WeShallReturn:

    come on. that throwback screen interception wasn't the coaches' fault. hanie has to know that lobbing the ball to a double-covered receiver isn't the smartest of plays.

    that play has worked earlier in the year. the raiders sniffed it out. good for them. but hanie has to recognize that the play is blown up and eat the ball.

  • In reply to Warrior Waddle:

    Martz put Hanie in a position to fail on that play. Was there any good reason not to hand it to the Barbarian on that second and 1, holding a timeout?

  • In reply to Ufficio:

    because that's JUST what the raiders were expecting us to do.

    though, watching the play over again, it looks like they were expecting the backdoor screen to davis, too.

  • In reply to Warrior Waddle:

    Sounds a bit like the Battle of the Somme in WWI. The idiot generals kept sending the men over the top only to be mown down as soon as they left the trenches where the thinking was ... "they'll never expect us to do that again..... so let's do it again!"

    I just don't understand how - when we need a yard - we don't just go heavy-front double TE/extra tackle, put your FB and heaviest HB in I-formation, and just pick a hole ? Why do we have to be 'smart' and pass it, where any number of things can go wrong? Yes, you're telegraphing the run - so what ? - but man, you've got six holes to run it through!

    Football is a really simple game, Martz over-thinks it sometimes.

    What's wrong with the Ditka/Fridge/McIntyre approach? Can't we use AA or Paea or somebody to act as a bulldozer or just hand them the ball? Why do we prick around when it comes to getting a lousy yard? One yard! When a billion dollar organization has to wuss out at the prospect of gaining one #@$% yard it makes me want to puke. If you can't run the ball a poxy yard then go home.

  • I'm reposting, last comment in last thread.

    Disappointing loss for sure. We finally ran into a team with better special teams than us, at least on the kicking side. Neutralized a huge strength for us and gave us terrible field position throughout the game, to me the biggest reason for the loss. [Well 3 picks of course were the reason for the loss but I believe field position contributed strongly to both the picks themselves and the resulting good field position for the other team when we were either punting or picking].

    I'm not ready to blame this one on Martz. Overall I thought it was pretty good play calling. When Hanie gets flushed out and tries to make a throw to a receiver, not sure that was how the play was drawn up. If it was, then yes, that's on Martz.

    I was furious at our receivers today, dropping easy balls all over the place early. What did Knox have, 3 of them? Didn't Dane have one, Bennett, Davis, Forte too? We have a first time starter out there and our receivers are leaving him hanging out there to dry. I thought they were the biggest goats of the game. Hanie is expected to have a rough day against a good D and consistently horrible field position. Those receivers are all professionals who have been playing. They sucked.

    Sadly, the decision to trade Olsen is proving to be a terrible one. I was fine with it at the time as I assumed the combination of Spaeth and Davis would make up for him. I was dead wrong. Apparently Spaeth is not a pass catching tight end of any import and Kellen Davis? He flat-out sucks. A good tight end would have been exactly what Hanie needed, the lack of one may doom him.

    I'm a bit miffed at one Matt Forte as well. We know his last couple of games haven't been near as good. I've been bugged by his less-than-classy comments about not being extended, and yesterday I felt like he wasn't trying as hard as he could to make a defensive play after the interceptions, particularly the first one. For some reason his head doesn't seem to be that into it, and if that's the case, the reason would be obvious. Now Matt has never given us reason to think this about him, but at the same time I would have never expecfed to hear some of the things out of his mouth I heard this year. Bottom line, Matty, we need an above and beyond effort from you if we're going to thread this needle and make the playoffs, so bring it man!

    My prescription for improving our Hanie-led offense is allow, and encourage, the man to run. He's a great runner and it's working for Tebow who has a much worse arm (imo) than Hanie. Even though we no longer have any good tight ends, pretend that we do and throw them the ball. Remember when Matt Forte used to be our top receiver? GET THE MAN BACK IN THE GAME, by passing it to him. And let's assume that last throw to Knox was not a fluke - take more chances, obviously earlier in the game, to chuck it deep. Hanie's got the arm and we have been underusing the speed of our receivers of late.

    I posted that this was the game we could afford to lose, and probably would. It was painful to watch a loss for the first time in a bunch of weeks, but we survived 3 picks and still had a chance to win with a minute left. The next three aren't gimmes and we can't underestimate them but the path is much easier and if Hanie's as smart as they are saying, he will learn from this game and have twice as much practice time for the next one.

    GET AFTER IT BEARS!!! BEAR DOWN!!!!

  • In reply to PhilfromSATX:

    I don't understand the G-Reg love. What difference would he have made yesterday? Martz doesn't throw to tight ends enough to warrent a big financial commitment. We got a 3rd rounder out of him instead of nothing. Our TE's are perfectly fine for what we use them for. Kellen made a couple of plays yesterday. As for Forte, I think your jumping the gun on that shit big time. The guys is busting his ass. The holes just haven't been there. Give him a break, man.

  • wil you PLEASE stop trying to add 'traditional value" now? Where is the coach of old? Bring back the coach.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Balls, Taint, Fuck, Shit, Vagina.

  • Coach sighting!!!!

  • Exactly. Kellen has 4 TDs so he's actually ahead of Olsen's 1 TD every 3 games when he decided to appear. Olsen would have a decent game and then have a catch or two for the next two games. He was regarded as a big girl's blouse not just by 50%+ of the fans but by the locker room too. Olsen is not missed, not by a long chalk. There are many things we might do better, but Girly-pants is not a factor in our situation.

  • Now a followup - although it made me late for work I rewatched the offensive series in the first half. Wasn't as bad as I thought on repeat viewing. First, those INTs were definitely Hanie's, and only Hanie's, fault, except maybe the 3rd one with a crappy play call - as one of the guys at the Trib said, not even Cutler does that one well. Let's just get rid of that one, shall we?

    Also, I thought I remembered lots of receivers dropping balls - in the first half, it was only Knox, and the first one he dropped was a killer - easy catch on a 3rd and 3 that killed an early drive. The second was thrown behind him, would have been very difficult catch, and the third was his slip which caused him to be under a very well-thrown ball. Since I remember Dane and Davis and Bennett missing balls, those must have been in the 2nd half.

    I thought the play calling was actually very good in the first half. Lots of runs, lots of short passes, it was just 3rd downs that hurt us but mostly not from bad play calls, but bad execution. A few HORRIBLE decisions aside, Caleb Hanie was not that bad in the first half, and the receivers generally did not deserve the slamming I just gave them.

    Wish I could rewatch the second half, that will have to be late tonight. But there was a lot good in that game.

  • In reply to PhilfromSATX:

    I abosultely and vehemently agree that execution was far more the problem than play calls.

  • http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Report-Ndamukong-Suh-to-be-suspended-for-two-ga?urn=nfl-wp12576

    AT LEAST two games... get.what.you.deserve.scum.

  • This is gonna get lost with the new thread but I think it's noteworthy. Maybe Jeff can touch on this a little.

    Orton lost his first start 7-9 to the Redskins. The difference seems to be the picks that Hanie threw but the result was the same. A loss is a loss is a loss but it's rather unfortunate that Martz didn't figure for Hanie's lack of game time experience when game planning for the Raydah's. It's easy for quarterbacks to know what he should and shouldn't do in the film room but there's no substitute for game time experience. You've been schooled Caleb. What are you gonna do now?

    http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2005091100/2005/REG1/bears@redskins#tab=recap

  • Please do not work Devin Hester back into the receiver mix. Bennett was quiet, but he will bounce back & Knox has proven the last couple of weeks that he needs targets. Brining Hester back into a full time role would be a step backwards. Work him out of the slot occasionally.

  • As much as I know the Chiefs team and fans love getting deep balls in their own endzone, I have to agree with Chiry on Hester for Sunday as he should focus 100% on producing the most amazing return game on the planet just like he always does.

  • I thought for a guy who hasn't had a whole lot of game time play Haine did pretty fair, and yes there were some dropped passes by both the offense and the defense that damned well didn't help either.
    What pissed me off the most was not trying to pound it in at the end of the first half. Isn't that what we got Clutz and Barber for? I'd been real happy to take three right there. That one was 100% on Martz.
    Oaklands defense was right on top of things most the day. They played a real good game. Better than we did.

  • We lost when Hanie throw that INT in the redzone. I said to my friend who I was watching the game with, I said "Its 2nd and 1, the Bears need to just run these next two plays. Take whatever points you get" Right after Boom INT! What the fuck was Martz thinking?

    Thats my question what was Martz thinking in the situation.

    Raider didnt beat us, we beat ourselves.

  • 2nd and 1, less than a minute left in the first half, bears ball in the red zone, we had been running the ball down their throats. You can almost ensure that you are up going into half.

    And what does Martz call?

    A misdirection screen that even Cutler couldn't execute in an earlier game.

    That was the turning point.

  • In reply to Crown:

    Yes it was!

  • In reply to Crown:

    Do you mean the Atlanta game?

    Because he was very open in that one.

  • In reply to Crown:

    It is always tempting and easy to put everything on one play. While I will in no way defend that call, it reminds me of the crap about the Cubs losing a game and a half of a playoff series because some fan messed with a foul ball.

    There were a multitude of opportunities to win that game later on. Dropped passes, dropped ints, bad decisions throwing the ball, etc, etc.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    There is a direct causal relationship between Knox falling and Cutler breaking his thumb. I'm not blaming that one play for the loss. Ohh, you're talking about the Hanie screen INT to Davis.. There were obviously opportunities to win the game irregardless of that play. But, I do believe that was a huge momentum shift, just like Bartman going for that foul ball.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    +1, then +1 again. Yep on all points.

  • Bears 7-4
    Giants 6-4
    Falcons 7-4
    Lions 7-4
    Cowboys 7-4
    Saints 7-4

  • Saints 7-3

    Which brings up the question - what do I root for tonight? (Besides broken thumbs)

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    correct!

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    Tonight's a no-brainer.
    Go Saints.

  • 2nd and 1 from the 7 yd line with less than 1-minute to go until halftime. Martz is an idiot. Pound the ball with the Barbarian. Bad toss by Hanie, but the call was worse. I wish I could have seen Martz on TV in the booth after that play. Better yet, I wish I was in the booth so I could pummel his arse. He just doesn't get it that our D is playing well, and this could be a 3 point margin of victory game. Total douche bag. And Knox, how many times can a guy fall down on short slant plays before the coaches pull him off those. Hester looked way too mortal, hope he gets his mojo back. We better not take the Chiefs lightly, and I do expect Caleb to improve next week. Should be a fun one, and let's hope the Tender Loins lose next week and Suh is in jail soon.

  • In reply to GuinnessPlease:

    Suh in jail

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AG1QPYCfaBQ

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Aw, c'mon now. Chief Bromden was a saint in that film, based on one of the great American novels of the 20th century. How dare you sully it in that way. Besides, Bromden was in a mental institution, not a prison.

    And the part of Kung Suh was played by Mr. Cheswick.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5NyyC-UjBM

  • In reply to M Onan Batterload:

    I have to imagine Lovie as the stuttering Buh-uh Buh-uh Billy Buh-Buh-Babbitt.

  • Get the kid some bigger spikes. His fall last week, leading to the INT, cost us our starting QB and maybe our season.

  • In case anybody missed it, here's the hippo hurricane horsecollar. Warning - the clip includes the clusterfuck that preceded it:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mn7nB7VYhIs

    Was worried about Lewis after that play. Looked hurt. Refs should have called a penalty on Oakland for making him run that far.

  • In reply to M Onan Batterload:

    picture 30 in this sequence of rhotographs shows all jersey

    is that a horse collar?

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/chi-week-12-chicago-bears-oakland-raiders-photos,0,6078818.photogallery

  • In reply to huntinbare:

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/chi-week-12-chicago-bears-oakland-raiders-photos,0,6078818.photogallery

  • In reply to huntinbare:

    well maybe the tribune does not allow photos to be copied

    but in todays front page
    right under the picture of hanie the is a link to
    more photos
    the picture of the horse collar is #30
    in the sequence

  • In reply to huntinbare:

    No, never thought it was. But it's forever on the books as a horsecollar. My hippo hurricane horsecollar remark was a joke, lame as it may be, not a reflection of what I think of the play. I think it was great, great play by Lewis.

    I'm calling a penalty on you for making me click so far to get to pic 30. It was only one click away, you know:

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/media/photo/2011-11/66357560.jpg

  • In reply to M Onan Batterload:

    game misconduct
    I am a rookie
    just learned this technique
    but; i am going to admit
    it was as lame as 2 of three hanie ints
    and maybe not as lame as you know who's 2nd and 1 call

  • In reply to M Onan Batterload:

    he was just gasping for air. Get that man an oxegen tank!

  • Well I survived my first Raiders game and I have a few observations-

    First the game day experience at a Raiders game was quite enjoyable. We drove from Sac to Berkeley, parked a block down from the BART station which happened to be next to the occupy camp. (side note: While I support the occupy movement I'm glad they dont allow them to camp out in Sacramento. The one in Berkeley was filled with homeless including one schizophrenic gentleman who was having a particularly rough morning with the voices in his head)

    Hopped on the BART and we were greeted with quite a few other Bears fans. Law of attraction was in effect as we picked up more Bears fans at each stop, probably because ours was the only car packed with blue and orange. Got to the game and walked around while drinking our barley pops. Had a couple guys stop us along the way to lift up their sweatshirts to reveal their Bears shirts. I asked a woman passing by if she had a spare tampon for one of these ladies.
    Got in to the game along with our two flasks that went undetected. We had seats at about the 10 yard line on the Bears sideline. I would say about 1/4-1/5 of the folks on that side of the stadium were wearing orange and blue and while most of the female raiders fans resembled either Snookie or worn out hair band groupies, the Bears female fans were HOT!

    Jeff's right in the fact that the turning point of the game was right before halftime. The crowd was a bit noisy but not anywhere near full throat. Raiders fans were nervous and not talking aw hole lot since all they were doing was kicking. But that 6 point swing gave them the lead going into the half and Raiders fan was starting to think that winning was in the cards.

    Halftime went to the bathroom, a few folks had mentioned not going in to the bathroom at a Raiders game. Someone started that annoying "Raaaaiiiiders" BS chant so i sang the first few lines of the Bears fight song at the top of my lungs. Got a few dirty looks but no one even uttered a cross word.

    After the half and a few more shots the sun was shining bright. Yes I was the shirtless guy with the Bears Santa hat on. But hey it was like 70+ degrees. You gotta love Cali in the winter. Bears fans were really into the game, especially on defense. Chants by the Bears fans in the sections around me were far louder and more sustained than the competing Raiders hecklers.

    That delayed whistle from the ref before the first onside kick attempt was terrible. He should have run out on the field immediately and stopped the play before the kick instead of sitting on the sideline and eliminating the element of surprise. When they finally did attempt it it looked to all of us like the Bears recovered the ball. But alas thats not how it was ruled and i dont believe those plays are challengeable.

    After the game we rode the train back home. Once again we didnt have any problems leaving the stadium or on the train which causesme to reassert my claim that the niners games in the last few years have been FAR more problematic.
    All in all it was a great time and I'm glad I got to see a good game. A win would have been nice but there were glimmers of greatness and I'm looking forward to the playoffs.

  • there were glimmers of greatness and I'm looking forward to the playoffs.

    Are you talking about the Raiders or the Bears? I'm not sure the Bears are making the playoffs.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Bears of course. The D looked great at times and at others they looked plain tired (Jennings I'm looking at you!) which is understandable. But with a little more time of posession on offense I think we'll be just fine. With as bad as the O looked yesterday we still had a chance to win all the way down to the last fckd up play.

  • So, never playing organized football.. I really don't get this defense getting gassed nonsense.

    Help me understand.

    Especially a guy like Jennings.. he's not lugging around 300 lbs and running sprints for 20 minutes straight.

    Run. Stop. Rest. Repeat.

    I played hoops, not football, so I don't get it.

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    it's the collisions and emotional effort football has on a guy over 2+ hrs. It's just different.

    That said, we have an older D in general, so it's a bit more taxing. But... no excuses. Suck it up.

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    It's also about going 0-60, 0-60, 0-60. That and the distance that your running. Rarely in basketball are you at an all out sprint.. and by that I mean running as hard and fast as you possibly can. Even if you are on a few breakaway plays you're running less than 90 feet. Add to that the fact that if someone breathes on you you can fall down and cry foul and I would say thats the main difference. I can play hopps for a whole lot longer than I would ever want to play DB

  • Thanks for that. I'm glad I diiiidn't see Alameda gurrrrrlz.

    But TV doesn't show the whole field, now that Blimp-cams have gone out of style. Did it look to you like Hanie often failed to spot open receivers downfield?

  • In reply to M Onan Batterload:

    Yeah on a few plays when guys were going across the middle. For some reason the guy loves to throw the out but just doesnt like the 5-10 yard pass across the middle. He should aslo have been running it more since there were some huge lanes that he just failed to take advantage of.
    Forgot to mention that one of the worst plays I've seen was that roll out to the sideline for an 8 yard loss and not throwing it away till you're already out of bounds.

  • Did that pass even make it to the line? Cause I thought it would have been a penalty anyway. But you know how it is on TV. No one who is not either a.) watching game tape or b.) at the game can complain about any receiver's route running.

  • The replay on that showed he was no where close to out of bounds.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    Which brings up another point I wanted to make. They have two small screens at the Colliseum and the one we could see was on the opposite side of the stadium from us. I was kind of upset at first until I realized they didnt play any replays. Seriously.. not one single replay was shown throughout the entire game. What kind of pro stadium does that?

  • thanks for the great description
    it was the best
    especially the tamp-on part

    thanks for cheering your heart out for the troops
    i am just sorry 2bl M got dizzy
    probably was lookin at those hot bear babes when he called the ill fated pass play

  • Nice recap. Loved the tampon comment.

  • Who the hell do I root for tonight!?!?

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    Saints. We own the tiebreaker over the Falcons and lost to the Saints, so we don't want to be competing with Nawlins for a wildcard spot.

  • i am puzzled by our inability to get short yardage by the run this year
    and it's apparent lack of importance from the OC

    i think that if Martz would put more "brainpower" behind the effective short yardage run game
    maybe as much brain power as he puts into his passing scheme
    we would not even question what to do when it is second and 1
    or third and 2....ect.

    we should have figured this out early in the season, by giving more attention to practice this part of our running game

    and then each week calculate where, or what part of the upcoming defensive line is the weakest part
    and design those standard running plays to exploit those types of weaknesses
    by drilling it in practice so there is no question on sunday, except
    execute with the force of a wrecking ball

    this year we have cost ourselves
    first downs
    points
    momentum in games
    confidence in back-up quartebacks mental state

    hanie was said to have put a towel over his head on the bench after that play
    so much of this week shoulkd have been about building this kids confidence
    we have coaches who want to win
    but, if you want future success you should have paid attention to confidence in Hanie as the most important thing that could have been accomplished from the raiders game

    instead he went into half time with his head down
    and to his credit
    although Martz drove the vehicle over the edge of Point DOOM
    and into the Pacific Ocean
    Hanie showed resilience in trying to rebound
    so that is a positive sign about his mettle when all has gone horribly wrong

  • In reply to huntinbare:

    this is from biggs 10 points

    What probably needs explaining is why offensive coordinator Mike Martz called for only 22 handoffs in the game -- 12 to Forte and 10 for Marion Barber. What kind of way is that to break in a quarterback in his debut against the NFL’s 26th-ranked rushing defense? Sure, the Raiders did some things to give Forte problems on the edges. He had a 33-yard draw but other than that it was tough sledding for him. But had Martz stuck to the run, it could have popped better and certainly would have reduced some of the chance for error with Hanie. Barber was effective between the tackles, gaining 63 yards on 10 carries. Why not more?

  • In reply to huntinbare:

    12 carries for Forte
    he was said to be upset about his lack of touches on the bench

    I thought he would have been a bigger part of the O for a safer Hanie trip

    Barber should have definately been used more
    when a player is having a "hot" day you have to swallow your gameplan and utilize the positive enrgy that is flowing through that player's body on that particular sunday
    Martz did not mine the Mojo that the "play of forces" were sending through the Barbarians body
    missed oportunity Mike

  • i wrote this after the game yesterday
    and I was wondering if it was a bit elementary
    or foolish
    you know an uneducated comment
    about the way I thought Hanie could have been more accurate and ready early in the game
    I would like some experienced answer if you please
    I never played this game
    so I may be assuming too much here?

    i heard this week that hanie gets very few reps during the regular season throughout the week

    when you have a quarterback that got hit as much as cutler
    you would think that as an organization
    you should keep your number two
    game ready by giving him the needed time each week to be throwing as much as your regular starter

    does he go to an adjacent practice field and make throw after throw to recievers running the specific routes that will be called for in the playbook?
    is he practicing rolling one way and throwing back across the field?
    is he practicing throwing passes while rolling out?
    ect.

    he seemed to make tentative throws early
    when repetition throughout the week; would be building sensory memory for touch in live action
    It looked to me from the way I heard how this went down that he needed more time to get ready
    instead of being ready from the 1st snap

  • In reply to huntinbare:

    I dig your posts Karl. They are all like haiku.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    i have always been a closet fan
    you were one of the reasons
    that I decided to speak up
    instead of just read

  • In reply to huntinbare:

    but sometimes
    I just need to be
    more silent

    like
    after a loss

  • In reply to huntinbare:

    HB = Son of Dan !

  • Well boys, it been entertaining. Time for me to take a sabbatical. I'll catch ya after the Bears win the Super Bowl.

  • In reply to BigDaddy:

    see ya (next week) trac. Have a good one boet.

  • Sac -

    Does Al Davis' wretched corpse lay in state like Lenin? In glass box as you walk in. It really should. All waxy like Lenin. Dear Leader!

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Well I find it interesting that after his death it was like a weight was been lifted from the organization and they started winning. Either that or the ghost of Al Davis is haunting the Coliseum and affecting the outcomes of games.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    It reminds me of James Brown being kept above ground for a while. They did it so there was access to spare parts for other sex machines. Booyah!

  • My new nick for huntinbare is Karl Malone.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    il postino!

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    certamente

  • In reply to gpldan:

    me up

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    crackin'

  • In reply to gpldan:

    "The Mailman doesn't deliver on Sundays". Scotty Pippen

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    I dont do the Blue Monkey suit bit either on sunday

    I am stuck posting
    messages of derision
    for all of the poor
    mike martz decisions

  • In reply to huntinbare:

    physicists tryin' to get phunky
    for all the professors out there
    science rocks

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=XGK84Poeynk

  • Tebus has parted the orange sea, and is delivering the steeds a Super Bowl this year!

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/tim-tebow-and-broncos-overcome-chargers-in-ot-qb-is-now-5-1-as-starter/2011/11/28/gIQAcd1i5N_story.html

  • http://www.nesn.com/2011/11/nick-novak-urinates-on-sideline-during-fourth-quarter-of-chargers-overtime-loss-to-broncos-video.html

    Stay classy San Diego.

  • http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Video-Bears-game-ends-on-Caleb-Hanie-8217-s-bo?urn=nfl-wp12665

    Jesus Caleb. seriously man?

    Doc... where's doc?!? DOC!!! Did you guys have him? Is he here?

  • just one question.... http://lastangryfan.com/2011/11/do-you-love-tim-tebow-as-much-as-this-guy-loves-tim-tebow-not-bloody-likely/#more-13109

    ...what in thee fuck is wrong with people man? Tebus christo.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I really hope that guys last name is Tebow and it's just a coincidence. If not then someone please sterilize that man!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    that artist who put elway on the guys leg is terrific

  • deeeum: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCdFFFAxLz0&feature=youtu.be

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Nice catch.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    backhand glue

  • Lienart out with a broken collarbone.

    Dude's career is probably done. A near Cade McNown bust-o-rino. All he's missing to cap it off is take a crippled kid's parking space.

  • (read this in your best Zsa-Zsa voice boys)

    Olivah !!!! Olivah!!!!
    "Mr. Haney is at the door; he is selling foootssssballlssss,
    Olivah....."

    "Oh Lovie!!!! Lovie!!!!!
    Meeessshhhhter Martzzzssss iisssshhhh
    at the door;....He has some foooottsssssballll
    playsssshhh for youuu!" Lovie?????? Oh Meeessshhhter Lovie?

  • Just made mean comments at gov brownback and told him he sucked, in person #heblowsalot

    Not all of you will get this joke about Kansas but I can't wait for the threats to start coming in from brownbacks staffers, protect me Jeff!

  • In reply to irootedforjayin09:

    I'm waiting for the parody song on this tune:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1g9PFtSCKw

  • Don't really get the anger directed at Forte. If the play isn't there he's not going to turn it into gold. He's made a ton of yards running wide this year. The last few games those plays have been shut down. Happened about the same time Cookie went down. I'd say they are related. It's not like he's out there half-assing it. He's looking for a crease. He's not one to just put his head down and bang it in there. That's more the Barbarian's style. Overall 3-4 D's are better at stopping the sweeps and we'd be better off playing the Barbarian more in those games.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Suspicions that he's suddenly sandbagging it down the stretch are based more on paranoia/fear/unreasonably high expectations than reality, methinks. He's not one to pull that stuff. If there's a crease there, he'll find it and go, and yer right, a more judicious use of Barber is the answer to the 3-4.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Matt's got 1500 all-purpose yards, I don't know that he has a case to answer. I like his vision and he's done well with the line he has in front of him. If anyone could point the finger, it might be the 4 TDs with his name beside them. One TD every three games is Olsen-ish. Size is no excuse, Lesean McCoy has 11 rushing TDs to Forte's 3.

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    Forte can't slip or slam or vault past a goal-line D.
    Peyton spoiled Chicago fans with those amazing vaults.

  • In reply to M Onan Batterload:

    P-a-yton.

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    Shady is not in a timeshare in the red zone. Matt is.

  • Gunshot. tee hee hee.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/bills-stevie-johnson-celebrates-touchdown-ny-jets-acting-shot-leg-article-1.983130

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Funny but stupid. He got a penalty on the play. Buffalo had to KO from their 20. Kicker fucked it up and the Jets started at the Buffalo 35 and scored. I know I'm old but most of these celebrations are beyond lame.

  • watching this game... can't help but feel pride and a whole lot of respect for Mark Herzlich. Realy really happy to see him out there. what a great story.

  • oh and the saints are good... and the giants suck.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    bet AJ Smith is pretty fired up be let brees go for cry me a rivers now.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    They suck compared to the team that sacked Chicago at will. Who are these impostors? Can't even stop Brees up the middle.

  • http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/machine

    yep, coupla you guys were right (trac)... I REALLY like that match up.

  • hey canada... go BC Lions!

  • quick thought not Hanie related after watching the game:

    If Jennings knows how to catch we win the game. He dropped 2 balls thrown directly at him. Both drives could have ended with easy picks. Both drives did end in points for the Raiders.

    For all of the solid plays Jennings made he really fucked up on the Murphy catch and the two drops.

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    how's the dome man? Ringing?

    How much sleep a night? How's your little one taking it all?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    a whole different ballgame with 2 mang. No more than 2 hours of sleep at a time. I feel like i'm trying to become a SEAL.

    The little one loves her new little brother and is always petting his head and kissing him and she is only 18 months. She's a sweet girl.

    It's pretty awesome to watch. Thanks for asking mainge.

  • http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/football/nfl/11/28/kyle-orton-chiefs.ap/index.html?sct=nfl_t2_a6

  • OH MY GOODNESS.. did you see that hit? Wow... awesome!

    You know what... any motherfucking time there's a big motherfucking hit, these motherfucking refs just automatically throw the motherfucking flag. It's motherfucking ridiculous. Seriously. this isn't football anyfuckingmore. Jesus christ, really?!?!?! That was just a great hit... stop thowing those fucking flag you striped cunts.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I agree wholeheartedly and I want to support you.

  • In reply to Artoo:

    Coaches are just factoring in fines and field position against intimidation results in their spreadsheets. I'm sure of it.

    They are coaching up LBs and safeties, probably subsidizing the fines by baking it into base salary and just charting how guys stay out of crucial zones once a couple of them are delivered.

    Sounds cold, but I'm sure that's exactly what is going on...

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Yeah. Tomlin's Steelers come to mind.

  • In reply to M Onan Batterload:

    Hey. How come you get a dog silhouette avatar? That's awesome.

  • In reply to Doc Nitty 34:

    I made it. You can tell, because it's supposed to be a Bear. But it looked so much like my Siberian Husky, I didn't bother to fix it.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Fines shmines. What about the penalties that effect the outcome of a game?

    MB's right, this shit blows.

  • Agree on the hit thing MB. If you're gonna throw across the middle, there may be consequences of those actions.

    Here's my take on the game yesterday. Martz shit the bed....again... in his strategy. I know there were dropped balls by receivers and defenders and a few bad throws by Hanie, but I think Martz is most at fault for his game plan and play calling. The game, at least early on, needed to be called close to the vest. Instead, over 20 pass plays were called in the first half. That has been a recipe for disaster all year, even with Cutler. I'm also getting tired of his 2-3 cute, trickery plays every game that never work. A couple of the runs to Forte were agonizingly delayed, which gave him no chance. Some of that could be on Hanie, but just keep it simple early and run what has worked in the past. A common denominator in all 4 losses is that Martz has called over 40 pass plays in each game. It doesn't work with the current offense.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    Forte got very few plays with Clutts leads. Barber got most of Clutts plays.

    I think we've seen, that Forte is not Marshall Faulk and this isn't a turf team. He needs lead blocking.

    The ratio of runs and the sets used in the runs seemed designed to promote Martz agenda rather than win. I called every first down run, pretty much the whole game, it was telegraphed by the personnel set and formation. Martz was probably told to run on 1st down by Lovie, and he was mad, so he lined up in the worst possible sets for it, just to prove Lovie wrong.

    That's what it felt like.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    agreed.

    It is frustrating as a fan to see the same statistical breakdown for every loss and every win because there is no excuse to deviate from the balanced attack yet Martz continues to stray.

    Balanced attack = huge chance of winning
    Martz attack = huge chance of whiskey being consumed quickly and violently at my house.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Well said Gp.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    Well complimented, Cor.

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