And Now For Something Completely Different...the AFC West

And Now For Something Completely Different...the AFC West

I have argued for years, into the deaf ears of God knows who on God knows what bar stool, the NFL schedule should open with each team playing their four non-conference games.  These games have no bearing on playoff tiebreaking scenarios and would enable organizations to find a rhythm on both sides of the ball with the slightest win-loss stakes they’ll see all year long. (I understand no NFL game has a low win-loss stake but these games mean the least, comparably.) This is essentially how the major college conferences organize their schedules, giving programs an opportunity to work out kinks before playing the more heavily weighted conference schedule.  Not a lot of logistical elements are sound when it comes to the NCAA.  This one is.

The Bears survived their difficult early-season schedule, losing games to New Orleans and Green Bay that I’d love to see replayed today. (I continue to say that there isn’t a team in the league that could have survived Detroit on that Monday night.) They released their aggression from the false-start laden evening effort in Detroit by pounding the Vikings, running the Bucs out of London, delivering an inspired effort in Philadelphia and manhandling the Lions offense is the ultimate act of revenge.  They are now 6-3, in pole position for the NFC wildcard, and look like one of the handful of teams out there that can challenge the Green Bay Packers for the Halas Trophy and conference control.  The Packer success is, in fact, the only thing keeping the city of Chicago from being engulfed in dreams of the Super Bowl.  Folks know the road to ultimate glory will be on the road.

Now the AFC West stands in their way.  In the next four weeks, in a truly bizarre scheduling occurrence, the Bears will host the Chargers, travel to Oakland, host the Chiefs and travel to Denver. Who are these teams?  Let me tell you.

San Diego’s super Chargers are one of the sport’s true enigmas.  They are a talented group, specifically on offense, but their quarterback is having his worst season as a professional.  Rivers won’t care how far Chris Conte plays from the line of scrimmage; he’s throwing the ball deep.

The Oakland Raiders are now the Carson Palmer Raiders and that means one thing to me: the Bears are going to have 3-5 opportunities that afternoon to intercept the football.  Oakland has clearly been missing star tailback Darren McFadden of late but they are strong up front on defense and will be a playoff team once the former Arkansas star returns.

Kansas City is going to come to Soldier Field and be beaten brutally for two reasons.  (1) I’m going to be there.  (2) They’re not any good.

The Broncos game would have been all about Cutler’s return to Denver but Jay is a distant memory to an organization currently being led by Tebus of Nazareth.  If the Bears defense, with all their speed, is defeated by a team running an option offense, I may hang up my NFL fan boots.

These four teams arrive on the schedule at a time when the Bears are playing their best football and a 3-1 stretch will all but assure our boys in Chicago a berth in the postseason.  (The Bears may be favored in all four though I’m suspecting a bit of a letdown this weekend against SD.) The wildcard position looks like it is going to mean a trip to either New Orleans or New Jersey.  A vaunted opponent in an iconic setting.  Can the Bears win at either location?  Absolutely.  And if the Bears are not just a good team but a Super Bowl contender, they will showcase their wares against one of the shakiest divisions in the entirety of the league over the next month.

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  • As lauded as tebus comes, it is the donksho d that I am more worried about. P rivers coming in a close second.

  • On paper, the Raiders game is the toughest.

    In practice, San Diego presents a tough challenge because we're coming off of two high energy, high emotion wins and this week's game is non-conference. Its easy to take your foot off the gas in these circumstances.

    My preference would be to lose a game to Denver... Let that be the week Tebow finally starts passing like a professional quarterback let our offense get caught flat footed against a dangerous D. We lose that game, we go into the remaining schedule angry and hungry again.

    We lose to San Diego, we'll sweep up the rest of the West, but we might be overconfident again by the time we're done.

    Of course, we could just win all the games and get into a division race with GB. Let's go Vikings :)

  • What am I thinking were going to murder them! I guess I was looking for an excuse to say donksho

  • Waffle, you said you tvioed the game... Record that hit that Clavin took from Briggs!!!

  • In reply to Artoo:

    cliff clavin??

    You mean michael?

    And GP, on the last thread, I answered you with... "should we do some moore"? (your turn)

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I missed that. Im such a Clutts.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    That's ok, I didn't see it till late, I was at the barber earlier

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Im omw home to make dinner. Creamed spinach and seafood Paea.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    That sounds scrumptious, Conte me in!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I'd lovie to join you guys but I already ate some angelo hair pasta in marinelli sauce.

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    Ohhh... I Lovie Angelo hair pasta with Marinelli sauce. Do you ususally get the fried squid Carimi to start?

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    I guess opportunity only knox's once.

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    that's true Erik, but every once in a while you need to just make that leap of faith and take that Chauncey

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    Oh, if Mike does not call more protection schemes for Jay, I'm gonna Martz right up there and kick his ass.

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    No one's having Thai food with peanut sauce? Maybe Irish. I might have some Pringles as a snack during the game tonight.

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    I don't think we have to worry about it, it's not like we're urlaching talent on that side of the ball.

    Besides, our D and specials have bennett amazing lately and I only see them getting amobi.

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    Sorry fifth, I heard there was a Roach at the restaurant, so I don't eat Thai there.

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    Artoo, then you might want to try the Dom's Italian Restaurant, DeCicco's. He's a weird guy, but the food is good. For some reason he likes to eat Graham crackers with Garzazola cheese.

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    Driving there would be a Major pain. I'll just have a Sanzenbacher.

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    I just got back from this loviely spot on the corner of Addison and Adams called Shane's Day. Very urlaxing. I had a juicy steak (excellent cutlery by the way) with and orange julius to drink. My brother had a patty melton (cooked to goulden brown perfection) with a steltzer water and my niece had graham crackers. The place was loviely and very urlaxing, but for some strange reason it took a while for our orders to reach the chef. Hmm.

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    I saw that place on Espn Hurd.

    Great place to have Pisa.

    Had to Belicheat sorry lol

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    Has anyone had a Podlesh sausage with that Sanzenbacher?

    Come to think of it, I haven't seen the movie Charlotte's Webb in a while.

    Okoye, I'll stop.

  • I'm calling it now. The Bears will finish the regular season 13-3. I don't think they will lose another regular season game.

  • In reply to BigDaddy:

    you mean 'we' of course trac

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Tee hee!

  • Uuuuhhhhh ooohhhhhh

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    That has to really suck for them. For once the Texans are making some strides, and then they get the gut blow.

  • What I'm REALLY hoping for is a Vike upset tonight on MNF.

    We're 2.5 games behind the Pack, but if they lose, we're only 1.5 games behind them, then suddenly the Bears are not just looking at a WildCard, but Division.

    This will def motivate them to keep focused against SD and the rest of the West.

    SD is thee definition of a "trap game"

    Lovie and crew must earn their paycheck and keep the boys focused and prepared.

    SD are notorious slow starters. Rivers can become Rodgers-esque in any game.

    We have trouble with TEs and Gates is very good at finding those zones.

    Tolbert is a bowling ball HB, much like Turner.

    SD D likes blitzing, which might test Ed Williams. Weddle is also a very opportunistic safety who looks for the big hit and turnovers.

    We better not be thinking about the Lions still.

  • In reply to 4ever85:


    Pack are 8-0
    Bears 6-3

    Could be 8-1
    6-3 (2.5 behind them due to previous loss - but we still play them on Xmas)

  • In reply to 4ever85:

    we preassure rivers and he'll throw more picks than stafford... naaaahhhh, no one's going to throw that many picks.

  • In reply to 4ever85:

    San Diego haven't beaten anyone, I'm not worried about them. They've just lost their starting tackle and guard to boot. We'll beat them as easily as we beat Detroit. Guaranteed.

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    are you a pikey irish?

  • so so classy. What a fat dbag:

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    although there's this too: "As the Patriots coach walked off the MetLife Stadium field, he threw his arm around his son, Stephen, and added an exclamation mark to the Patriots’ 37-16 victory over the Jets.

    “Thirty-seven points on the best defense in the league, s--- my d---,” the Patriots coach said in celebration."

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    That's another reason to like Belicheat.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I like him much more now after watching the special on him.

    I would pay major mula to hear Lovie say "s--k my d--k" to Schwartz.

  • In reply to 4ever85:

    Schwartz would lose his mind and then Lovie would choke him out..."Shhh, shhhh, go to sleep".

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:


  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Best defense in the league? Try 8th Bill ......

  • Cutty tweeted:
    Date night w Kristen. Girl likes her creamed spinach.

    Im not making this up, go look at his tweets.

    Crown, can you translate?

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I sense a "creamed spinach" youtube vid a-coming...

  • In reply to gpldan:

    We know she likes her green. Now we know HOW she likes it.

  • Cheesy??????
    fucktard Lions troll??????????

    Tommy boy, can you hear me?

  • This HAS to be a joke:

    Oh, and I think that means a blowjob GP.

  • Holy shit... on many levels. Kids these days. Jesus.

  • Hahahahhaha:

  • Ok, just read Jeff's post.

    So here's my deal.... I think we take out Norv's team simply for the fact that we deserve revenge for what his brother did to us for years.

    A pox on you and your family norv. May you and that scourge of a brother of yours have your genitals relentlessly infested by a thousand flees each.

    Oh, and go Vikings!

  • Not a good weekend for Qbs name Matt.

    Matt Cassel for Chiefs is out for season (keep in mind so is Charles)

    Matt Schaub for Texans out.

    Suddenly, LG doesn't seem so bad.

  • In reply to 4ever85:

    Schaub is done for the season too.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    There go the texans. Buh bye now.

    Why couldn't that have been rodgers?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I didn't even realize that the backup for Schaub is...

    hahahahahahha...sorry, it's just when I type it....hahahahahah....ah, ok. Gimme a second.



  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    bottom left MBP:

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I somehow picture that carton as being part milk, part kahlua and a lot of rum when I think Leinart.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    or man milk.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Shut the front door!

  • In reply to 4ever85:

    Jesus cassel too? What happened to that dude?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    broke his throwing hand or something. He'll be out for a while according to all reports.

  • In reply to 4ever85:

    Kansas City is snake-bit.

    They lose Charles right out of the gate and now Cassel.
    And yet...they are only 1/2 game out of first in that trainwreck of a division.
    3 teams at 4-5, one at 5-4.
    So strange.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    It's going to be a VERY interesting next few weeks. It's going to be like going back in time.

    The Raiders with Bush are a power running team, with a few deep shots to Denarious Moore and gang. They're a bit more explosive with RunDMC, but a hobbled race horse isn't all that effective.

    The Broncos are going back to the leather-head times and are going to power run it with McGahee-Tebus, with a few surprise deep throws to Decker.

    Seachickens are actually pretty tough on D, esp against the run (although they couldn't stop Murray, but who can?). They beat the Ravens, Giants, Chargers and Raiders, but most of those games were at Seattle.

    The Chargers are as up-and-down as it gets.

  • In reply to 4ever85:

    I watched that game, in agony. The only reason the Seahawks beat the Ravens was the two fumbled KO returns and Flacco being a complete arse. Also, Harbaugh completely abandoned the run. If both teams met another nine times the Ravens would win them all .... a la George Foreman whopping Ali.

  • In reply to 4ever85:



    Sounds fishy... I think the cartel got him GP.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    That's odd. On the verge of success and you top yourself? Very dodgy. The fact that Zuckerberg was donating to his cause makes it even more so.

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    Agreed; I thought the Facebook connection was rather interesting myself. There was no group with more motivation to off this guy than FB owners.

  • Shit, really?

    #Bears sign DE Chauncey Davis, former #Falcons vet, waive Nick Reed and place Chris Williams on IR.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Still have a roster spot - expect an OL pick up this week as well.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Yup. I wouldn't be surprised if we called up an Olinemen from the Tice farm system.

    Is that UFA center we tried out in the preseason still available?

    We already got DE Davis an ex-Falcon. We let go of Reed though, don't like that.

    But, we'll see how good their scouting is.

  • In reply to 4ever85:

    He thinks a lot of Levi Horn - he's a big dude. Bear Chief!

  • So here are our next 5 games:

    Chargers – McNeil (LT) out and have been playing like absolute shit
    Raiders – McFadden out, but still dangerous
    Chiefs – Cassel out (and suck)
    Broncos – suck
    Seahawks - suck

    Look, we can and should kick the fuck out of all 5 of those teams. Beat the vikes down… then go into GB on Xmas day for a monumental revenge match of epic proportions.

    AAaaaaaall I want for Xmas is to kick GB’s ass… to kick Gb’S ass… to kick GB’s ass…. All I want for xmas...

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    SD lost right guard Louis Vasquez and linebacker Takeo Spikes too.

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    oh yeah, forgot... they're fucked irish.

  • Im planning on goin to that raider bears game. Hope i dont end up on nightly news as bein another dead fan in killacali...

  • The Chiefs took a double KO.

    Speaking of KO, if we hurt Tebow, I could see Kyle coming in and playing the game of his life. Just something ex bears tend to do.

  • Great game yesterday, eh guys? Fuckin' A.

  • In reply to Doc Nitty 34:

    yeah.. do you have the bone shattering hit the Briggs gave Johnson?


  • In reply to Artoo:

    Did someone say Briggs-Mini-tron?

  • In reply to 4ever85:

    Offenses might want to start thinking twice about "the easy slant" play against the Bears.

  • In reply to 4ever85:

    Dude.. you made my day.


  • In reply to 4ever85:

    there you go Erik... well done 4

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    and btw, those refs FUCKING SUCK!!!

    How THAT perfect shoulder hit was 15 yards and Suh's punkass ripping cutty's helmet off wasn't.... seriously? Fucking ridiculous man.

    Oh, and how fired up was lach. awesome.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I was about to say the same thing.. He does a 360 lol

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    really that was helmet to helmet refs.... really?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    ok, last one... I LOVED this comment:

    "Laid the fuck out! Megatron meet Optimus Prime..."

  • In reply to Doc Nitty 34:

    Fuck yeah.

  • What the hell is going on with our secondary? Pringles has had a pick in the last two games, including a TD. Both corners had a pick this week. Hell, even Corey Graham snatched one in the end zone. Then there's Conte. He looked like a pussy, not wanting to hit, in preseason. Since starting, he had a huge pick against the Bucs at the goal line, almost had a pick against the Lions, hasn't allowed any big plays, and he's starting to hit people and play with abandon. Things are looking up in the secondary.

  • Here's an interesting analysis of the Pack, as compared to other 8-0 teams in history... The prognosis is not very good for them, primarily because of their horrible defense.

    It'd be nice to see that downfall begin tonight! Also here's a nice sum up of the clown-fest that got humiliated yesterday by our very own Bears. Seriously, the leadership of that team is an embarrassment.

  • In reply to Michael L:

    "Yosemite Schwartz" ha ha.

  • In reply to Michael L:

    They're like the Pats - best offense in the NFL, worst defense. It was enough to kick the crap out of the Jets though ....

  • Oh God, I hope Mullet takes Rodgers down...I'm tired of hearing Young and Dilfer taking turns giving him a blow...

  • Please don't show a Turner on this blog ever again. Sorry Norv, your Sling Blade brother ruined it for us.

  • Well, the Bears are finally starting to get noticed. Came across these items over on the CHFF site (one of my favorites - irreverent and usually spot on in terms of analysis). See (#6):

    Wish I had seen this one before the previous Peanut thread died (see #5):

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    "There are plenty of teams left on the Bears’ schedule that will be more than happy to make them pay for not finishing drives with touchdowns."

    Uhhhh.. like the uhhhhh... like uhhhhh... ummmm... hmmm...

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    "Lovie Smith, the very definition of even-keeled, deserves a lot of credit for covering over his team’s flaws and making the most of what he’s got."

  • Actually you're wrong Jeff. The non-conference games DO have significant playoff tie-breaking implications. They aren't used for inter-division ties but they ARE used for divisional ties.

    For winning a division these games are MORE important than the 2 "same place" conference games, in fact! This is because the common games tie-breaker comes before the conference games tie-breaker. So for Chicago, this means that all 4 AFC-W games are more valuable for breaking ties against GB and DET than the SEA and PHI games!

    Now the AFC-W games are useless for breaking ties against out-of-division NFC clubs for the wildcard spots. However, those games are still important for the wildcard in the case where 2 teams from the same division tie -- this is because for each spot you first apply divisional tie-breakers to get down to at most one team from each division BEFORE then applying the inter-divisional tie-breakers amongst the survivors.

  • In reply to Michael L:

    Nice bracketology.

  • Oakland - They worry me most of the remaining games. They're not missing McFadden either, I think they're more dangerous featuring Bush - he ran all over the Chargers for 157 and a TD averaging 5.2 a carry. 85 yards worth of receptions too. He's a load to bring down, I like him a lot. Palmer's getting to grips with the playbook, but he's got some zip back in that arm. They've got the biggest D-line in football and they will harass Cutler more than Detroit did IMHO.

    SD - Rivers throwing it deep will worry both teams. V-Jack and Gates can hurt us in the jump-ball situations, Vincent Brown is scary.

    Denver - we're perfectly built on Defense to contain Tebow.

    KC - we kick the crap out of them no matter what.

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    yeah, if we pressure rivers early and often he'll give it up like a stafford.

    Raiders are worrisome. Not worried about the rest.

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    Oakland? Oakland? you gettin' some quiver in your thinkin?
    first you make me confident and now your leavin' the scrum
    out the back door
    You saw that from stafford last night when the pile started to build
    Stand tall brother
    May I remind you........
    about the way we muscle up against the "best" backs that have come to face us
    ever since the "Best" ......and he just got a lucky gash or 2
    Mr. Minnesota stud.....39 yrds
    Mr. philly stud.....71 yrds
    The Tampa team....28 yrds
    The lions team.....63 yrds
    Be an optomist see the glass half fulyou don't got to like what you got in it

  • In reply to huntinbare:

    Oh we'll probably beat them, but the Raiders are good.

  • Kluwe sucks like Todd Sauerbraun used to suck. They both outkick their coverage. This game is probably already over.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    Sauerbraun. Nice name drop.

  • I don't know why I'm pissed the Vikings are getting their ass kicked. I still haven't given up on the division title. Hell, we were three games back to the Lions four weeks ago. I guess the Packers aren't the Lions. But, you never know. I loved the "sack" by Allen after Rodgers fumbled the ball. What a meathead.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    it is sweeter that they get the division; and then lose it all
    remember how all this shit went down for us last year
    we are riding that pale horse into the enemy camp
    and when it counts coup on them at christmas
    and then cutler redeems himself in a playoff blowout
    we have given them the reversal
    and a 2 loss takedown

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    I left you a bit of info on the previous thread; where you shared your story about listening to a freinds past history
    i included some info by stephen elliott on the science of breathing
    www.coherence . com
    that next day i came across this article on huff. post

  • yeah man, the vikings SUUUUCK something horrible, but rodgers is getting manhandled by mullet and co.

    I think if this continues, rodgers may not make it out of this game.

    ...hee hee.

  • man I feel sorry for Tebus... the jets are going to be fucking PIIIISSED on thursday night.

    Better put in an extra request with the man upstairs for yourself before the game tebus.

  • woodson is a dirty motherfucker... dude just tried to judo chop the purple jesus across the throat on that last run

  • wow, they REALLY suck.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Yeah, they do.....bad. And yet, I'm seein' some real vulnerabilities in Packer Land...

  • In reply to Sdwat52:

    agree SD. mullet is kicking their ass. Dangerous times for rodgers. Hee hee.

  • God, 3 and 10 on GBs own 5 and they can't stop them.


  • they are beating the shit out of the packer oline and rodgers

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Bingo. There'd be a lot of moaning in GB right now if we were lined up on the other side of the ball. I think Lovie is going to bring the whole train on Christmas day.

  • In reply to Sdwat52:

    fuck yes... if rodgers makes it out of this game. Jesus, he's been sacked like 4 times already.

  • my thoughts on the lions team players

    "if you can't take a punch
    then you might as well quit
    it don't matter how hard you hit"


  • my god are they really interviewing bobby knight and coach K during halftime... honestly, who gives a fuck... no really. This isn't during halftime at the fucking final four.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I don't know how to explain the decisions the producers of these shows make...remember when they were hauling movie stars into the booth?

  • In reply to Sdwat52:


  • nobody gives a f--k about us either
    I listened to m&m in the morning getting ready for work
    and also in the drive in
    90 minutes and not one mention of our game by the talking heads
    or on sprts cntr. update
    the pale horse is hard to see
    until it takes the life out of your team

  • In reply to huntinbare:

    Oh, I dunno, Huntin...I heard a few of them manage to squeeze in their declaration that we aren't as good as the 49ers.......

  • In reply to Sdwat52:

    Didn't Alex Smith used to be the worst QB in football?

  • Man, that's some top-shelf tackling right

  • horse collar on peterson

  • ha ha now rodgers cant go out of the game.

  • I'm gonna be really pissed if ANY of the Bears get suspended or anyone other than DJ on the Bears gets a fine for the bruhaha Sunday. As far as I am concerned Stafford started that whole ordeal by being and ASSHOLE like Fairley and Suh, his teammates. I also feel that Schwartz should be fined for allowing this kinda shit to go on. And he's a liar if he says he wasn't aware of it.

  • In reply to MaddBearfan:

    just. plain. shameful.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Gee he coulda just pushed him away too. Guess that thought didn't occur to him cuz he was pissed he got picked off again. Did we have a problem with the wind? Didn't look like it to me...maybe I missed it.

  • vikings suuuuuuuuck balls. sheesh

  • the purple jesus is pretty good though...

    ...NOBODY fucks with the jesus.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    One of the greatest comedies ever MB. I like how the dude never even actually bowls in the movie.

  • MB, I think it was you or Waffle who turned me on to the Jerky Boys. This is a pretty funny prank call, in case you haven't heard it.

  • I can't believe I watched that entire game.

    Although - I did sneak in two old episodes of ASIP while waiting for the DVR to buffer up.

    What a shitty, shitty, shitty, shitty, shitty, shitty game.
    I did pick up one tidbit: Chicago held Rodgers to his lowest QB rating of the season thus far. On the other hand, it was 114, I believe.

    So there's that.

    I am convinced that the only way someone other than Chicago will knock GB off is to run the 46 at them until Rodgers is crumpled in a heap. You need to knock him out, not just hit him. And if you don't, they're just going to pick you apart. Other than that, their D looks so suspect. But Minny did nothing to exploit it. Any one still advocating for Les Frazier for Head Cach?

    Another little tidbit: the PSU interim head coach has been in touch w Lovie looking for a job.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    MBP, I looked up and read a bit about the college you went to, and it sounds like a great institution. There's something to be said about a smaller college. I'm glad I spent my first three years at a small college, with full professors for lectures, labs, and discussion classes. For my major, when I had the money, I went to Wisconsin. I had some immense classes where I never met the Professor, and I didn't think I got my money's worth in those classes, with TA's doing most of the teaching. Luckily, my major was in the AG school with smaller class sizes and full professors available at all times. In my major, there were actually more full professors than students majoring in the program, Soil Science. There was a lot of Grad students and research going on.
    From what I've heard, Wisconsin is going to start an Environmental Sciences degree. Before this year, it was called Environmental "Studies" under no real department. It was a BA degree instead of a BS degree that was more under the control of the Humanities department. All these majors had plans to work for the government. But, they used to "protest" classes they had to take because they were too hard, and tried to lower the standards. It was my last year, so I don't know what happened. All these people are going to have future jobs working for the government or subcontractors for the government.
    I find that scary. I'm partially in the business of killing things as a pesticide applicator, like broadleaf weeds, annual grasses (crabgrass and foxtail), fungi, and insects (grubs). Every year when I do work for the state of Wisconsin or the Federal Government (huge military base), I lie on my reports, because their recommendations are not the most environmentally sound thing to do. I also lie about the fertilizers I use, because their "organic" fertilizers are more toxic to the environment. Their actual fertilizer recommendations break state law! I'm told to use products that are detrimental to the environment by the government! My "spray" guy came to work for me after over 20 years in the business because of my beliefs, and his. We use very toxic chemicals once in a great while, but we are very careful about the applications. Much of the "organic" movement is a total lie and a joke. I've been to some of their conferences and the majority of the people have absolutely no clue to what is a human hazard. I'm a hippie, but I disdain those hippies.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    Long live hippies.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    do you use neem oil for certain applications
    I have a manager at one of my condos
    and his kid started to use neem on a fungal infection
    he was astounded at the results and has now gone
    "Neem Crazy"
    He even bought a tree
    he works for a big company that sprays for pests in SWFLA
    and the companmy is now buying neem oil in 55 gallon barrels
    his boss says he is saving $ using it and so far has found it effective

  • relative: we can't beat the Packers, they can only beat themselves
    me: you also said we were going to be 8-8 last year

    relative: fuck the packers, they're dead
    me: right in the face mainge, right in their dead faces


  • The Packers have the 30th ranked defense in the NFL, I think our offense can roll their offense, and our defense cna probably slow their offense down a bit, so net net we can beat them - they're no 85 Bears. Even if they were, we could always be the dolphins ....

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    ..... our offense can roll their defense .....

  • It's all relative Johnny. Could you please explain your new name to me. I wasn't around for a while when you changed names.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    Conte looks like a mousey graduate assistant in philosophy not a free safety in the NFL.

  • except in person, my buddy saw him earlier in the season and 6'2 205 is pretty big for a human being. He just doesn't look imposing. Maybe if we got him a neck tatoo or something....


  • In reply to gpldan:

    my god that is awesome.

    The 80's must have been a great time to be an adult. coke and martinis at a business lunch, blissful ignorance of aids, stone cold killer DB's wearing mousse in their hair...and fucking loving it.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    hilarious. fucking fencik

  • Sooo.......those packers are pretty good

  • In reply to thebigcheese:

    True, but it was the vikings... and rodgers got abused all night.

    And as irish will tell you, your d is 30th ranked. Let's jusl say that it should turn out to be an interesting christmas.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    there would be no better football scenario than to roll into green bay on a 9 game win streak and play the Pack on Christmas at Lambeau. This is why football is the greatest sport in the galaxy.

    Only the Bears could go 12-4 or 13-3 and get the fucking wildcard. This will be interesting.

  • uhh they went 11-5 and got a first round bye, and a home date with the seahawks last year..........

  • In reply to thebigcheese:

    cheese - I'm well aware of our journey to the playoffs despite everyone's predictions last year. I'm referencing the quaility of football in the NFCN this year. 13-3 or 12-4 getting a wildcard and not winning the division/leading the conference is crazy. Pack is rolling.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    The packers have given up fewer points than the bears, so......

  • In reply to thebigcheese:

    I get it man. We had a rough 1st Q. And I took a look at your schedule... meh. Not nearly as hard as our road has been maing.

    Alls I'm sayin is that if we keep playing the way we have in the last 4 and cookie william's loss doesn't destroy our running game... things are going to get interesting in Lambeau.

    No doubt you guys are very good, but it's going to be a good game.

  • In reply to thebigcheese:


    Did you predict a Lions victory? I think you did.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    ??? I haven't predicted a Lions victory since their MNF game. I even thought tebow would beat them.

  • Ask and you shall receive. Lance Briggs meets Calvin Johnson.

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    AT NO POINT, does Briggs helmet touch Johnson's head or his chin.

    The refs made that penalty up out of thin air. The game was getting away from them, and they wanted to send their own message, "we will make shit up if we have to."

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Certainly did not... and here's some irrefutable proof:

  • Sandcksy and his gaggle of Pennsylvanias most mercenary professional dickheads are going with a deny deny deny strategy.

    Meanwhile 10 more victims have come forward, bringing the count to 40.

    Happy valley should be called Auchwitz

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I think that assesment's a smidge overboard GP (a bit like calling Lombard Street Mt. Everest), but the sentiment is there.

    Now that’s he’s gone the deny and minimize route, they should fucking fry him. Harshest sentence available, make an example of the motherfucker. It shows no remorse or regret. Disgusting

    (yes, I’ve been disgusted a lot lately)

  • True story: Todd Sauerbrun used to roll up the sleeves on his Broncos uniform when he was the punter there. He told the press he wanted "to show off his big guns".

    How big of a prick do you have to be to say that out loud?

    So, from then forward, any time anyone flexed their arm muscle, we called it "Sauerbrunning"

    My favorite Sauerbrun moment had to be when he told the press that Hester was nothing special, and they would surely shut him down. Hester, while returning one of the two punts he took back for a TD that day, jumped OVER Sauerbrun who was laying on the ground, flat on his back, on Hester's way to the endzone.

    Possibly my favorite schadenfreude moment in NFL history.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    they can now also call it "Cushing".

    Fucking dbag.

  • Anybody actually own this bad boy?

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I wish. I'd like to say that I wouldn't sell it if I did, but....


    Awesome. I would have bought it just for the entertainment value.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Dude has job offers in the comments field.


  • Sauerbrun at the 7 minute mark, flat on his ass.

    It just never gets tired.

  • Yup. Helluva game on Sunday. Helluva game. Fuckin' A.

  • In reply to Doc Nitty 34:

    Doc - intriguing, any newsletter subcriptions available?

  • Ya'll know our little engine that could Nick Reed is gone right. We picked some vet D end from the falcons, Chauncey Davis.

    Anyone got word on him?

    Also, NY TImes reporting 10 more kids have come out against Sandusky. And, more improtantly for the prosecution, reports coming out that Mcquery actually stopped the shower rape rather than run to daddy in '02. That's more like it.

  • In reply to Crown:

    baaah, just beat me to it!

  • We cut Nick Reed?

  • In reply to DYLbear23:

    Yeah, I don't like it either.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    His motor ran hot, but alas he didn't have enough horsepower to run the plow.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    Dude has a motor, but is too small for DE. I could see that guy being an impact player in a 3-4 as a LB or even could see him playing FB.

  • In reply to Crown:

    "Davis is a capable player with good size at 6'2 270, the ability to stop the run, plug gaps, occasionally get to the QB and he is not a tiny white guy whose arms are smaller than Hillenmeyer's."

    -Waffle 11/15/2012

  • I find the loss of Chris Williams fom the O-line mightily concerning.

    Another "Homecoming Game". this week. Tommie Harris.

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    The AFC West is up for grabs! Who is going to win???

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