A Rather Epic Post Defending the New & Improved Coaching Style of Lovie Smith

A Rather Epic Post Defending the New & Improved Coaching Style of Lovie Smith

From the moment he was hired on January 14, 2004 Lovie Smith was never a fan favorite in the Windy City. Bears fans want George Halas patrolling the sideline, wearing a pair of black frame glasses like he's doing them a favor. They want Mike Ditka in the sweater vest, chewing out the Punky QB for all the world to see. Was the fan reluctance to embrace Smith racially motivated?  I don't think so.  Was it geographically motivated? Absolutely. The "aw shucks" demeanor from Big Sandy, Texas simply didn't connect with the Cheezborger! Cheezborger! intensity of Old Style country.

Lovie Smith has also made mistakes.  Tangible, see-em-with-your-eyes errors on the football field and in his pre-game meetings.  He hired Terry Shea.  He fired Ron Rivera. He was loyal to a fault with Bob Babich and Ron Turner and refused to acknowledge what the rest of could clearly see: Rex Grossman was not going to win the Bears a Super Bowl.  If we hang Jonathan Quinn on Shea's coat rack, we hang Todd Collins on Lovie's.  He is horrendous with timeouts and somewhat worse when throwing the red rag.  These are the kinds of mistakes fans notice when watching the game on television and the kinds of mistakes that infuriate them.

But the Lovie of late is not the Lovie of old.

ACCOUNTABILITY

For the first time in his tenure, there is real accountability being instituted at Halas Hall.  Chris Harris was benched after a porous performance against the Lions and responded with a string of Twitter complaints.  When put back on the field due to a Major Wright injury, Harris struggled against the Bucs and was subsequently cast onto the waiver wire.  When Frank Omiyale embarrassed himself on national TV, he was benched.  When Henry Melton failed to live up to the promise of a spectacular opening week, he was chastised publicly by his head coach and responded.

OFFENSIVE CONTROL

Does anyone doubt that Lovie Smith has usurped control of the offensive strategy?  The Bears are finally the running off the bus club Lovie's been touting ad nauseam to Biggs and the boys at his midweek pressers for half a decade.  (I also think the movement of Mike Martz upstairs was a territorial gesture by Lovie.  It was an assertion of dominance over terrain like polar bears do it.)

STRATEGY FLEXIBILITY

The Bears decision to go to man coverage so often against the Philadelphia Eagles opened my eyes.  My primary criticism of Smith over the years has been his continually blind operation of a defensive system whilst lacking the players capable of operating that system at the highest levels.  Against the Eagles, Smith deviated from the standard structure of the Lovie Deuce and allowed his corners to beat up Andy Reid's brittle speedsters.

ANGER

He didn't snarl.  He didn't throw anything. He didn't call David Haugh a jerk (though who could blame him). But he said this in the aftermath of the Bears victory over Philly:

We’re a good football team, just not getting a whole lot of respect,” Smith said. “When you go on a road, the Chicago Bears shouldn’t be eight-point underdogs when we come and play a team, and the guys took notice of that.”

A coaching mentioned the point spread in the press conference?  Lovie Smith being that coach?  This is a new guy we're dealing with.

BUT HEY, JEFF, WHAT ABOUT THE GENERAL MANAGER?

When you come to a head coaching position with an exclusively defensive background, you depend upon your GM to find you talent on the other side of the ball.  It almost makes Lovie's resume with the Bears more impressive when you look at the players he's achieved his success with.  Lovie has won two of his three division titles with Kyle Orton and Rex Grossman.  He has never had a true number one receiver on his roster.  His GM traded away his best offensive weapon and the huddle's true leader after the Super Bowl appearance.  In the modern NFL it is near impossible to win a Super Bowl title without a productive offense and, more specifically, a productive passing game to exploit the rule changes.  The Bears are only now finally moving in that direction.

If the Bears decide to fire Jerry Angelo (and they won't), I believe the current defensive coaching staff would be able to continue their drafting and developing young players across the unit.  I don't believe the firing of Jerry Angelo (that won't happen) should also mean the releasing of Lovie Smith from his contract.

MY FINAL THOUGHT 

And it is perhaps the biggest point.  Michael Vick is going to be the quarterback of the Philadelphia Eagles for many years.  Aaron Rodgers is going to be the quarterback of the Green Bay Packers for many years.  And there is not a single defensive coach/system in the whole of the NFL that has more success against these two individuals. Lovie owns Vick and controls Rodgers, which these days feels like a Herculean achievement.  If the Bears are to remain a football team dedicated to a defensive style of football, they have the right man leading them in the current landscape of the NFC.

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  • 1st.

  • In reply to Doc Nitty 34:

    Initially I thought you were just going for the lame "1st" without putting any real thought into it. Then I remember "this guy is a professor, for sure he's thinking harder than that."

    So probably this must be a code. "1st" = #1 Special Teams? As in one of the great strengths that Jeff didn't mention above? Maybe, but this is a game theory pro we're talking about... its gotta be deeper.

    Maybe Doc means "1st" "1 * speed * time." Since speed (velocity) = distance/time, that would simplify to "1*distance." But what could that mean in relation to Lovie Smith? And then I realized the answer. Lovie should not look any distance beyond the one person, himself. Lovie doesn't need a better GM, he can do this himself.

    Great sentiment Doc, and a great vote of confidence for our coach.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    Exactamungo, NewBear.

    Of course, hypothetically speaking, I'd like to think I've earned my stripes enough to lead with a certain number reminding everybody else that they're effectively last. Not that I was doing that here, but you know, hypothetically.

  • In reply to Doc Nitty 34:

    second losers?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    jeez, I fucked that up.

    First Losers!

  • In reply to Doc Nitty 34:

    darn it
    I thought you meant
    first in producing future fans to root for lovie and his bears

  • In reply to huntinbare:

    ohhhhh!

    Nice Hunti.

  • +1 Jeff. We're not perfect, but we can win with Lovie.

  • I know this not relevant to your overall point, but I don't know why Bears fans think that the CHI defense can "control Rodgers". In the regular season, Rodgers is 5-2 (not including an NFC championship victory) against Lovie, with a 95.7 passer rating. I guess you can say that he controls him, relatively speaking, because his overall passer rating is 100. But I'd call that a stretch. I know that Bears fans truly feel like the defense plays Rodgers well, but I don't think you'll concur if you look at the numbers, or if you recall the games themselves. Rodgers absolutely had his way with the Bears to start both of the previous two games against Chicago, and he slowed down once they had a comfortably lead. But he does that against everybody.

    You know who controls Rodgers? The Bucs. In two games, Rodgers has 6 INTs and a 55 passer rating against Tampa Bay. That's about it. They next lowest passer rating he has against a team that he's had more than 1 starts against is 93.0, and that's new Orleans.

  • In reply to thebigcheese:

    I agree that Rodgers has certainly enjoyed some success, but a couple of things:
    1. The Bucs play the same Tampa 2 that the Bears do, and Jeff referred to the "system", not just the "coach". So your point about the Bucs actually lines up with Jeff's argument.
    2. Related to this is the fact that passer rating is a flawed stat in that in overvalues completion percentage. The Bears' system is designed to take away the big play, forcing teams instead to dink and dunk their way down the field. While Rodgers indisputably has otherworldly talent, and can dink and dunk as well as anybody, he just doesn't achieve the same big plays that he does against other schemes. Look at points scored, rather than yardage or completion percentage, and you'll see that that 5-2 record has as much to do with the Bears' O as it does with Rodgers.

  • In reply to Joist:

    I can't think of a better system than the one we play defensively. Every man and and his horse across every blog was singing the same crap for the longest time "the Cover 2 doesn't work". It doesn't work if you don't bring it up front. I think Peanut is the most under-rated corner in the NFC. I would do. Lac is an extraordinary MLB and makes the Chicago 2 even more effective.

    Look at Rob Ryan trying to pass off his dad's playbook with that roster. If the defense fits, the offense shits.

  • In reply to thebigcheese:

    What about last year when we played you twice?

    I thought his numbers were horrible and he was also horrible in the NFC game.

    Could be wrong but I don't know where your numbers are coming from.

  • In reply to thebigcheese:

    Using passer rating isn't a good metric for comparative success. The real way that you can see that Aaron Rodgers is less successful against the Bears defense is in his total yards and TD to Int ratio. In the 7 games since 2008 (including the NFC championship game but not including the first contest this year) Rodgers has faced the Bears he threw 7 TDs and 6 Ints. Thats 1 TD a game (almost a full TD less than his per game average) and .85 Ints per game (slightly above his per game average). The Tampa 2 is designed to let you throw short until you hit the red zone. So the Bears are accomplishing the stated goal of the Tampa 2 and defense in general - limit scoring!
    Also up until the first contest this year his least productive games in terms of scoring were the final two contests of last year. (Rodgers did not win the Packers way into the playoffs)
    Most players are what they are - they progress or regress toward their averages when they have performances out of the norm for them. Rodgers did have 2 unproductive games against the Bears last year, so it shouldn't be surprising that he was a little more productive in the first contest this year.

  • In reply to thebigcheese:

    Have to agree with the some of the other points that if you look at overall points scored, the Bears have done a decent job containing Rodgers.

    I think the biggest exception would be the game played this season, where we got beaten badly and Rodgers was the main reason. But last year, the only reason we were still in the NFC championship game when Cutler went down (after accomplishing nothing in the first half) was because our D had kept Green Bay from scoring 500 points a quarter like they do in most games - and a lot of the Pack's production in that game was due to the surprise strandout running game, not 45 passes. And when we've beaten the Pack, it hasn't been because we scored 500 points ourselves.

    Rodger's strength is spreading the ball around; just like Drew Brees, Peyton Manning and Tom Brady (Brady probably least so), Rodgers hits guys all over the field. That talent beats the cover 2 and most other defenses as well because its really hard to cover everybody without a mismatch. The guy's a beast, but if we can hold a productive offense like that to under 30 (or even under 20), I'd call that containment.

  • In reply to thebigcheese:

    If you look at each Bears/Packers game Rodgers has played in critically, it's pretty clear he has struggled to put up points and big plays (the way he is used to) in most of them.

    For example, in the NFC Championship game, as poorly as Cutler played and as greenly as Hanie did... the difference between a 21-14 Packers and 21-14 Bears victory? If Raji's pick 6 happens from 2 yards forward then Hanie's punch out of the ball is a touchback instead. If Rodgers shoestring desperation tackle of Urlacher's pick misses by inches then the Bears get the pick 6 instead. That was all the difference in QB play that day needed to flip the result.

    Now counterfactuals aside, just look at the offensive points scored. Aside from the 37-3 beatdown in his debut in 2008, Rodgers led them to 17 (L), 21 (8 of which came on a late fluke falldown go-ahead score), 21 (like before, 2 FGs and 2 TDs -- one of which was a 62 yard Grant run), 17 (L), 10 (in a meaningless game to the Bears), and 14 (in a championship game). In those 6 games, Rodgers passed for 5 TDs and 5 INTs, and averaged 16.67 offensive points. Yeah, I'd say that's pretty well controlled.

    Also if that's not convincing enough, those 6 games featured 11 off TDs and 7 FGs -- or a 1.57 ratio. Heck, if you include the 37-3 beatdown, that makes it 14:10 or a 1.4 ratio. By contrast, the '09 Packers had a 50:27 (1.85) ratio; the '10 Packers a 42:22 (1.91) ratio in season and 13:3 (4.33) ratio in playoffs (or a 55:25 (2.2) combined). That is a significantly better job limiting the Rodgers-led O to FGs than the rest of the league. So better at limiting points? Check. FGs vs TDs? Check. Passing TDs? Check. Grabbing picks? Check. Heck, how many teams have successfully dropped Rodgers for a safety? You're just not looking critically at Rodgers's play in Bears games if you haven't seen his struggles.

  • In reply to Michael L:

    Well put together, Mike. And those aren't just stats - the visual evidence is there when you watch those games. Rodgers moves the ball well enough, but the big-play opportunities are notable for their rarity in Chicago-GB matches.

  • In reply to thebigcheese:

    Well if you think I'm going to use passer rating in one of my columns, you really don't read what I write.

  • In reply to Jeff Hughes:

    Jeff - thanks for turning me on to WFAN and particularly Francesca. I've been a fan of Sirius NFL (well, particular teams on there like Tim Ryan and Pat Kirwan) but this is much better material.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    amen, thank you sir

  • In reply to Jeff Hughes:

    i would always like to think lovie is not a prideful man
    and that he is willing to change and grow according to the information he takes in from his confidants

    that is the sign of a great leader
    do you think he is listening to suggestions on how to best improve his coaching techniques and abilities?

    I am sure he has his peers, maybe Dungee is giving parental advice; maybe he learns from reading. What have you noticed in regard to his maturation now that you have studied him for a while?
    I picked up on that a bit from reading your opening post.

  • In reply to thebigcheese:

    i know you don't pay much attention to me
    i am the simpleton
    with the art class remarks...
    and maybe some of the local boys don't give me much cred either ...but I am trying to get better along with the rest of the team so.....

    When we have met the Vampires teams ; during his tenure, we have not had an offense that could put pressure on the way the game is played

    I believe that in the coming years; the packers play calling will be affected by our ability to control the clock O-fensively
    and our ability to keep pace on the scoreboerd; sometimes maybe even holdng onto a lead for three Qtrs. or more

    this will definately effect the way that the Vampire plays, and thinks, and responds to pressure

    he has yet to have a team get inside his head; but if we continue our current course we will not have to be so concerned about controlling the Vampire defensively; because our offense may just become the controlling factor

    I believe wholeheartedly; that the legs of our defenders will be able to sustain better pressure for the entire game; due to a much improved O-fense

    and this is something that the other teams in the division have not had to feel threatened by; so they have had a luxery in that regard

    i am suprised to say that we are finally becoming a different animal in chicago

    good luck

  • The Bears that lost against the Saints, Packers and Lions are not the same Bears that we see now and that is the frustrating part about our record but a good indication heading into the rest of the season. We pissed away games to teams that could have been beaten especially NO and Detroit if we didn't have the most fucking head scratching offensive approach to the games. Chris Harris also may have had one of the worst games in the history of the safety postion against Detroit. I see a total asskicking against Detroit on Sunday.

  • Right on. Sunday can't come soon enough.

  • "an assertion of dominance over terrain like polar bears"... classic

  • If you are in Michael L's Confidence League, pick the Thurs. pm game five minutes before kickoff.

  • In reply to EnderWiggin:

    Thanks for the heads up to all Ender. Also TheFifth, are you still playing -- I've seen you on DBB during the week, but you haven't submitted picks in a couple weeks? Hope to see you back, man.

  • In reply to Michael L:

    I'll try to get back into the mix Michael. I keep forgetting.

  • Speaking of coaches, it seems Bellacheat whiffed on Hainesworth. I guess he's not so infallible after all.

    Back to Lovie. I think adversity has a way of getting a mans attention and either you sink or swim. I like the fact that Lovie has chosen to swim. We will find out if our boys want a championship as badly as we do this week when we go up against the Lions.

    Also, I want to start to see our boys grabbing a hold of the swagger they will need to go out and dominate our competition from here on out. Someone on our D-line other than Peppers needs to have a breakout game against the Lions and I would love that person to be Henry Melton.

  • Whatever happens next week in the NFL, the Chicago Bears beat the Detroit Lions .... and that's Guaranteed Irish.

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    What has been the single biggest factor in changing your mind?
    Serious question.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    The foundation of our team is now solid in appearance - the O-line. More time to throw, more space to run. All good. That's the biggest.

    Earl coming back gives us at least one solid go-to target for Cutler. Williams is looking less crap at receiver too.

    For some reason, Peanut seems to have Calvin Johnson's number, and for some reason Stafford has lost some of his Mojo.

    They can't run the ball and they can't stop the run, so bads things are going to happen to the Detroit Lions this Sunday. Once we go a touchdown ahead, Tice and Martz lock this one up.

    Chris Harris plays safety for them. He was directly responsible for three Lions TDs last time we met. How smart of us to return the favour. Yes, with a 'u' ....

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    Agree on most points, but I will be absolutely and utterly shocked if Hitman takes a single snap for them on Defense.

    Which is bad for us, because with that hamstring, he'd be lucky to outrun Garza.

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    i prefer the neuroticly nervous Irish

  • In reply to huntinbare:

    Not this week bro. Defeat is impossible. Guaranteed Irish. As are the Texans, Baltimore and Philly. Print this off, bring it down to your bank and ask for gold.

    Anyone know if Denver have a pass rush or not? If they do, they've got to be a lock to beat the Chiefettes, who are now top of my shitlist.

  • So a cowardly 28 year old Graduate Assistant walks in on a 60+ year old man raping a 10 year old in the shower and calls his cowardly dad for some advise. The cowardly dad tells his cowardly son to "get out", and then the two cowards report the incident a day later to a cowardly 80 something year old icon.

    Instead of alerting police and having the rapist terminated, the cowardly icon promoted the cowardly son, who I'm sure parlayed these circumstances.

    Why are these assholes not fired yet? Why is the cowardly Joe Pa going to be able to "retire" after the season?

    SOMEONE NEEDS TO MAKE THIS RIGHT.

    Dexter, you tracking?

  • In reply to Viva:

    Sorry, Viva. For those poor victims, there's no way to "make this right".

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Dexter can't fix the victim's pain, but he cleans up other ways.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    his sister is such a dude

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Love me some Dexter.

    BTW - completely unrelated to anything ... eh .. .other than games I suppose ... but for some sweet game's nostalgia, check out Charlie Brooker's doco Gameswipe -

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIb8JdoWF00

  • Jeff re your post, well put, but I think Marinelli is driving the accountability bus. I think decisions of that nature began in earnest last year when Tommie was relegated to the bench. Either way, it reflects well on Lovie.

  • My blood is fucking boiling. Retire my ass, you're fired you fucking cowards!

    Note to self, do not make any critical decisions today.

  • In reply to Viva:

    Common viva… same shit different day my maing.

    How many priests have (since ‘spreading the gospel’ started), and probably still are, doing the exact same thing right now across the globe … while having received the same protections for the exact same reason… perpetuation of the power structure status quo. No one wants to change things when they’re making shitloads of money/have shitloads of power/public adoration/etc… The power structures always force themselves back to the mean, the status quo… and the ones who lose are the victims who’s plight is shuffled under the run in the name of perpetuation of the machine. People are fucking animals underneath maing… you’ve probably seen that more than all of us civilians on this board.

    Pathetic cowards indeed. I don’t believe in heaven or hell like trac does… but I most certainly believe that these motherfuckers will get theirs. Bitches.

    (the same thing goes for government, the raping is just metaphorical and done to everyone)

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Interesting parallel between the cover-up of abuses by priests in the Catholic Church vs. the secular Church of collegiate athletics - and judging on the idiot Penn State fans that can stand out on Paterno's lawn and cheer for him after all of this, well, blind faith is alive and well. I'm done with it.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I've always been done with it MBP. Faith is just that... it has no basis in reality. Which is totally fine is people need something to help them through a life that for most of us is a tooth and nail battle on a daily basis. Just don't try to force it on me.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    if

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Well, I just got done calling the Board of Trustees at PSU and the AD's office at the University of Illinois to relay my disgust at how this has been handled. Given the absolute cowardice that the Big 10, the NCAA, and specifically Penn State's administration has shown in light of this whole sordid affair coming to light, they deserve every amount of abuse that gets heaped on them.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I heard on M&M that Joepa met with his higherups and the head of campus police at his home, the day after he heard about the incident. So it's not like he tried to hide it from the police, or like he buried it completely. But I would agree that still he didn't do enough.

  • In reply to Jokey:

    JoePa runs that school and a known child predator maintained an office on campus, used campus facilities for his camps, brought underage youth on to the campus, and on and on and on - for TEN YEARS after this particular incident!
    And let's not kid ourselves as to who the "campus police" belong to on a D-1 campus, particularly that one.
    They ain't the real po-po. They know who butters their bread.

  • In reply to Jokey:

    Nothing that I've read or heard says Joe Pa contacted campus "police" anyway.

  • In reply to Jokey:

    Reading the grand jury report just made me physically sick and furious. The entire institutions hierarchy knowingly covered this up. And the grad assitant should be brought up on charges (even though technically he did what he was supposed to, but what the fuck, how do you not immediately get that kid out of there and beat Sandusky into a pulp).

    What a terrible turn of events.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Ok MB, quit it will ya? Time and time again you mock people of faith(particularly Christianity) only to prescribe your version of it. I get it, ok. It's obviously not "fine" as you put it, for if it was, you wouldn't try so hard to undermine it. Ironic? There are a few other choice words I could use to describe your position but they would be wasted here. Give it a rest please.

  • In reply to BigDaddy:

    Speaking for myself, there is a faith in a higher power (of whatever your persuasion) and then there are human institutions that exploit that faith.

    College athletics depend on your faith in the spirit of amateur competition while acting like a corporation, where the bottom line decisions are made purely on financial benefit.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I have no problem with any of those statements Brownie.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Institutions AND people, Browne.

  • In reply to Doc Nitty 34:

    Very true.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    To say that there is definitely no Godhead, or to say there definitely is a Godhead ...... are both arrogant statements IMHO. The only absolute avenue that one can confidently acknowledge as being correct is to say "I don't know."

  • In reply to BigDaddy:

    You've professed your faith on here numerous times, Trac. You've chastised us (ME) and said some pretty horrible things to us (ME) in the name of faith. If you can do that, why can't MB state his counter-position with equal vehemence?

  • In reply to Doc Nitty 34:

    Agree. Its alright for religious folks to tell us everything that we are doing wrong but we cant give it back?

    Seems like you repressing free speech.

  • In reply to Dmband:

    Game on Doc.

  • In reply to Dmband:

    Uh oh. I done woke the dragon.

  • In reply to Doc Nitty 34:

    Also, Im pretty sure MB was simply stating facts.

  • In reply to Doc Nitty 34:

    thanka gents.

    How about this out of mutual respect and like trac... I won't be so hard on religion, if you keep it to yourself. I feel that's a pretty even deal.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Fuck that. Censorship blows.

    I say, as long as we treat eachother respectfully, we can say anything we want.

    I can say what I want about the ills of religion and Trac can say what he wants about how great god is or whatever he wants to that effect.

    But I wouldn't say, "Hey Trac, you're wasting your life believing in the god-myth and everybody who believes as you do is sheep".

    And I would hope Trac wouldn't say, "You're going to burn in hell, you're the scourge of civilization, you are the worst kind of person in god's eyes, an apostate, You should't be teaching our children, something about locusts"... you know, shit like that (hypothetically speaking).

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Doc. Censorship blow's until I choose to interject maybe. There are many many post's I don't respond to out of courtesy. All I'm saying is that it's gettin old. Maybe I'm feeling puchy and am just resisting the urge to add my 2 cents. Also Doc, the truth is a double edged sword and can sting when it hits the target. I'm not angry, just tired of the same mantra is all. I could interject my opinion to counter such statements at every opportunity but that would not be profitable.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    MB, If grasshoppers had machine guns, birds wouldn't jack with them.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Trac. Maybe you didn't hear me. I said as long as we do it respectfully. You know, the opposite of the way you used to go about things.

    I say used to because it DOES seem as if you've kept your cool or your tongue a lot better lately.

    To repeat. We should all be free to profess our beliefs and disbeliefs whenever we want. But we must guard against insulting eachother in the process. I believe MB's post was, at worst, poorly worded, and not intended to insult you or your beliefs. This is contrary to the way you've speaken to me in the past. But like I said, it seems like it's gotten better, so whatever you know? Why does it seem like sometime you only read half of someones posts?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Ummm... poorly worded? Poorly worded!?!? Well... I've NEVAH!!!

    Ohhh... I like that Trac. let's give the grasshoppers machineguns!

    ...wait, is that already part of the tea party's platform?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I grew up catholic and was actually thinking about becoming a monk in a monestary at one point

    Just a side note (watch Brother Son Sister Moon); great movie about one of my heroes, and Fifth, Great Soundtrack

    so I went to interview for a possible position, in the late 70's
    I was told near the end of the process that as a priest I would be involved in fundraising 70-80% of the time
    the priest then asked me if I had any feelings about homosexuality....I was floored so I did not respond for a long time....my mind could not come up with a reason for this question; the scandals were not public unitl much later in my life; but to this day I am still unclear as to the nature of that question; but I responded in the negative.

    after that response he told me I was not a good candidate for the priesthood; 'cause he could tell that I was not into the $ thing; and to be contemplative was not what they wanted at that time

    I told my friends this A.M. that the sad thing about this; is that right now somewhere, some person in power ,is weilding that on a youth for personal pleasure

    I can only hope that the spotlight on the magnitude of Joe Pa will finally give those who recieve first hand eye contact, or verbal info, about sexual abuse of minors will learn how to proceed without fear; and speak truth to the power structures that we think are infallable

    sorry for the rant; i should stick to football; this sh.....t makes my eyes water

  • Remember the natilonal sports media's reaction when New England.signed Mssrs. Haynesworth and Ocho Cinco?

    They touted it as an absolute coup for the Pats and more brilliance from Belicheat.

    Well HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

    The jokes on you, "Experts", as well as the New England Patriots.
    What they got was LAYMESWORTH and OCHOSTINKO

    Albert Haynesworth (Released today):
    Games played - 6.
    Tackles Made- 3.
    Impact - Zero. Zip. Nada.

    Chad Ocho Cinco:
    Games played - 8
    Receptions - 9 (Wow, 3 More than Tyler Clutts!)
    Yards - 136
    TDs- Zero. Zip. Nada.

    Be careful not to step in the piles of "Brilliance".

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    I watched the Giants-Pats game and Ocho was terrible. Absolutely terrible. Listening to Sirius, somebody made the point that he has been cooked since Revis abused him in the playoffs a couple of years ago. He just plain quit.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Here's my take:
    * Ocho - done. Wants to be in media now (much easier than getting smashed by DBs)

    * Brady - done. Has a supermodel wife, two kids, billions of dollars between them, and beautiful hair. (much easier than getting smashed by DEs and LBs)

    * P.Manning - Might be done. He'll try to come back, but a bad neck injury with 2 knife cuts is what it is... and this isn't flag football, it's the nfl.

    There's my crystalball for you guys today.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I'll agree on Ocho and Manning.

    Not willing to bet against Tom Brady just yet...

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Brady's trying to adjust to the wonderful world of Spotty Pass Protection.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    right, it's not so easy
    that is why Jay should be heralded
    instead of ridiculed

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Brady done? That must be some top notch crack your smoking MB. I bet you got it from a negro. (joking, caddy shack line, not racist!) Brady looks average just like everyone else when he's pressured. Give him time though, and he'll light your nuts ablaze.

    Can't argue with the other two, although I think Ocho's sucked donkey chode for the last 2 or even 3 seasons. I don't see Manning back with the Colts. They will grab Luck in the draft, and still probably be able to trade Mongo-Face Manning for a 1st rounder. No way they don't finish with the worst record in football. They are horrendous.

  • So here's my deal coach (as you can imagine I've had this same debate with a couple friends who I laid my prognostication on as well)...

    It's not that his skill has diminished (I get the 'sub-brilliant as usual' oline thing for him this year), it's that from his body language, his pressers, and the general gut feeling I get from watching his play... I think it's his desire that has diminished.

    The fire in his gut to win at all costs seems to be flickering to me. Again, totally subjective and unscientific... I don't even know ANY of his stats this year, it's literally just been from watching tom brady the man this year. Sure maybe it’s just an off year for him and he come in next year (or for the rest of the season) and takes them to another ring. Yeah, then I’ll sound silly, but if homie shocks the world and retires after this season I’ll look like fucking Nostradamus.

    Just layin it all out there my brother.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    yeah, I used 'litterally' in a sentence. that was for you doc.... bastard.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Yes, but it seemed you used it properly and thus I didn't notice. Ass.

  • In reply to Doc Nitty 34:

    Ha!

    MB-2, Doc-.5 (kind of)

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    you always seem like you're winning when you control the timetable / scoreboard electronics

    are you puttin' up points when his back is turned
    he's a math major u-know

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    we could definetly beat New England we can hang with their receivers, shut down their running game shit on their secondary bennett 3 tds we win 27-14.

  • Look, I sort of put one foot on the Lovie bus last year when ‘they’ started to break loafer’s asses.

    That continued this year and that is reason I’ve become somewhat ok with lovie staying HC. I think Tice and Mari (like MBP) are the real drivers behind this movement and are the better coaches. They don’t look like fucking drugged up politicians when at the game/on tv, and they both shoot straight and bust ass from all accounts.

    That’s fine… besides the abysmal game-time decision stuff which should really be given to someone much better at it (of course you let lovie actually throw the flag on the field, but only after he’s gotten the word from ‘his handler’ up in the box), Lovie is good with personnel. ALL but one of my coaches from junior high through college, have been fire spitting bas asses. The one that wasn’t my sophomore year in HS was a puss and NO ONE gave the dude respect… we all liked him, but any and all propensity to loaf came out in dudes who had that in their personalities. I personally do not like pussy coaches one bit and I’d MUCH rather have a Cowher type… but that’s me.

    As you all know ad nauseum… I think lovie would be a better coach with a real GM who wasn’t a total shitbird. And please don’t give me the line that the oline’s recent success is on him… we all know this is tice. We also all know that Angelo’s sole focus in the draft/FA has really been dline and to a lesser degree safety (although completely incompetently). Besides the slam-dunk of picking up a known pro-bowler in pep, he’s failed to field a franchise Dlineman opposite pep, and our best safety pick up in the last 3 years is conte? Really? I mean, he’s done ok lining up 40 yards off the ball and keeping things in front of him, but he ain’t no fencik, not yet at least (sorry GP). We also need to get an apprentice for lach AND briggsy (and a real OLB opposite briggsy) NOW. I can go on and on, but Angelo has singlehandedly doomed this team to fight tooth and nail on the field to be good (player overachievement).

    Anyway, the net-net is that if we had an ozzy newsome in this mother we might have been the defending SB champs this year and we could be looking at a dynasty in the 2010-2020 period. With angelo every year is a fight to maintain depth at almost every position. We need a new GM THIS offseason… you can keep lovie.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    +1

    The coaches are a mixed bag. Moose was kind of right: Chicago is where receivers go to die. Maybe not this year, though. Our passing attack works this year, thanks to Jay jay the snickers man.

    But we're just going to slowly bleed dry with Angelo and his scout crew. I guess Cookie and Conte have made it tougher to indict Jerry for gross misconduct, but Flatbread and Michael Haynes and lots of other personnel decisions have been questionable.

    I'm witholding judgment on Forte. I get the sense that Forte's agent may be an idiot. And I agree with Angelo's handling of Olin. Olin was a dork with a bad agent, and he cost himself huge the way he handled that.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I disagree with the notion that receivers come to Chicago to die. Look at Marty Booker's career. Booker was a better than mediocre talent who had a wonderful career here and it would have continued if the Bears didn't deal him for Ogunleye.

    What talented receiver have we had the opportunity to evaluate? Moose? He was done, nothing more. And he dropped more big throws than he caught. With the quarterback we have now, and a developing offensive line, a #1 type receiver could thrive in this offense and have a big, big season. (Just look at what Roy Williams has dropped this year.)

  • In reply to Jeff Hughes:

    Also, I dont think its a coincidence that Jay uses Earl as his go to guy considering the rest of the receiving core is made up of a converted DB, an undrafted FA and a fifth round pick from a little known university.

    I mean jesus could you imagine what this offense might be capable of with a legitimate deep threat.

  • In reply to Dmband:

    I'd go to Earl no matter what team he was on, or who I had with him. Until he gives a reason not to do so.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    No doubt, I guess I was just saying that its crazy he and Roy Williams are the only real legitmate WR's on our roster.

  • In reply to Jeff Hughes:

    you mean the newborn giraffe in clown shoes?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vR4zjQSFnuw

    (hee hee)

  • In reply to gpldan:

    maybe with a better "looking" passing game
    some talent will want to play with the budding offense
    and we may have better luck in the draft, cause it will always
    be a big thing as long as jay is here

    we may actually hit on a great draft pick
    because of jay's imput
    I hope his voice outweighs JA's
    'cause he becomes so beloved and respected?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Wow, interesting parallel. All my coaches from soph in HS through college were fire-breathers, too--except my sophomore HS coach, who no one really even respected, he was so soft. My sophomore team didn't win a game.

    I'm sure professionals have a different perspective, but any day of the week and thrice on Sunday, I want the tough-as-nails, bust-your-balls if you get an offsides call, scenery-chewing hardass as my coach.

  • my favorite chicago coach of all time ( i know he's not FtBall)
    Leo Durocher

  • Ah, so JoePa is going to take one for the team and retire at the end of the season...wait, what?
    What an asshole.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I hope JoePa drops dead from the stress.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    A douchebag PSU booster would be doing CPR before he hit the ground.

  • Stil think Lovie is one of the worst game-day coaches in the league re time management, challenges, situational coaching. But, his players sure love playing for him and respect the man tremendously. That's the most important aspect of Lovie.

  • Tooot tooot! Now pulling into the magic Harry Potter train station of Blogsworth Castle: The Lovie Bandwagon!

    Allll aboaaaaaard! Toot toot!

    Engineer Martz will be pulling the switches, the booger ogre Ticerah will be shoveling the coal into the steamer, and Mister Green Jeans Maranelli will be your conductor taking your tickets.

    Tooot toooot! Chug chug! Now leaving Philly station, on it's way back to Chicago! Hop on board! Toot toot!

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Funny stuff GP, but I agree with Jeff that Lovie has done a good job the last two years.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I ain't givin up my ticket to anyone 'cept Sir Top 'Em Hat
    and the narrative will be supplied by Ringo the Starr

  • Woody Hayes was kind of a psycho who punched his players.
    Bobby Knight was kind of a psycho who punched his players. And screamed at them. And threw chairs at them.

    Both of them, having known pre-teen boys were being raped within their facilities, would have beaten Jerry Sandusky into a bloody pulp. With their own hands.

    And therein lies the differences between a disgraced coach and a beloved one. I believe the proper word is dissonance.

  • # of victims: Now 20
    http://deadspin.com/5857697/number-of-sandusky-victims-to-come-forward-at-almost-20

    And Viva is angry at JoePa and his duplicitous bullshit, I am fired up about state law bullshit that allows counsel from the school to tell the press to go fuck:

    http://deadspin.com/5857531/how-penn-state-sucks-up-taxpayer-money-and-hides-its-ugly-behavior-from-taxpayers

    FOIA: Get fucked.

    Penn State: We take taxpayer dollars and lots of them, but we're even a more closed society than Penn - which is a private school

    What a ridiculous institution.

  • For anyone else that wants to defend JoePa, read the grand jury report first.
    http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011/11/06/sports/ncaafootball/20111106-pennstate-document.html

    I don't think anyone can read that and not wonder why a 1998 investigation into the sex abuse charges was followed shortly by the resignation of Sandusky, who had been the heir apparent for years. This cover-up goes back decades.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Joe Pa has been at the point of retirement for the last 10 years. Waiting til the end of the season is an insult.

    I personally believe that this whole thing is way way worse than handing some broke dick recruit the keys to a free rental for the weekend. I suggest Penn State gets the death penalty for it's football program.

  • In reply to BigDaddy:

    I absolutely agree - the NCAA will prove itself to be a joke if they allow this program to continue without significant penalties to the school administration and football programs.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    As recent as two years ago, sandusky took another young boy to a football practice with paterno present which was well after paterno's documented awareness of the situation.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I heard Mike & Mike on the way to work
    they said that among the duties of ????Swartz????
    (the other guy besides curly)

    was oversight of the campus police
    the covers were pulled over this pretty effectively

    where was Serpico?

  • Unfortunately guys, Nothing talks in this society except money. Hence, phone calls of disgust to do little. 100% NCAA boycott might. And not for just one game.

    I say one of you social networking types should organize one. Shit spreads fast these days. I already don't want college football. It might as well be a beauty pagent or political race. It means nothing. Fuck Joe Pa, Fuck Penn State, and Fuck the NCAA (where the athletes are the amateurs but the brass are pro's). Fuck 'em.

  • In reply to Doc Nitty 34:

    I cant imagine any parent at this point paying $150,000 to send thier kids there, either.

  • When did everyone and their mothers start applying the term "Epic" to all sorts of shit that doesn't deserve it? Epic Fail, Epic Blowjob, Epic this, Epic that...There are several definitions, but the one that applies to most scenario's when it is used is this: Epic - heroic; majestic; impressively great.

    I liked your post Jeff, but it was not epic. Please, everyone stop using that term. It's gives me an epic headache....

  • Agreed.

    I also hate the word, 'literally'.

    My wife: "I literally almost threw up in my mouth right now". "I'm literally, freezing to death right now", "this is literally the worst pain I've felt in my life", "I literally thought I was gonna die".

  • I ALWAYS attach the word "epic" to any blowjob Coach... but then again, I'm married with two young kids... so my viewpoint may be a little skewed.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Irregardless, I literally use the word epic every other sentence...

    This message will self-destruct in 5, 4, 3...

  • In reply to 4ever85:

    sentence structure-wise....

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    haha. Good stuff MB. In the book of Coach, an epic blowjob must feature one or preferably several of the following components: Multiple felators, complete lack of gag re-flex, or a midget.

  • Classic, Coach. Hahaha...

  • ahhhh my coach... the distant past my man, the very distant past.

    The delivery doctor told me after he delivered my second child that now he has to go in and take out the placenta and the blowjob.

    I thought I misheard and asked, “excuse me?”

    “Yeah”, he said... “this is the last time you'll get blow jobs on a regular basis.”

    Ok, so I made that story up, but the very end of the story was true, sadly. Every blowjob I get is epic now. Sucks (see how I did that…. sigh).

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I have always wondered why the term "blow" was attatched to that act

  • Holy shit.

    I was just taking a dump and reading this brilliant column when I had that exact thought... I had know way to word it nicely, as in "Jeff, please don't further the lexicon of 12 year old internet geeks on XBOX Live... you;re better than that..."

    Thank you.

    I hate EPIC almost as much as BEAST.

    In my mind, the only thing epic is the Odyssey.

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    Er.

    Not "know way", but "no way"

    "EPIC FAIL" as the kids say.

    How un-beast.

  • I literally hate how everyone is complaining about how someone says this or that.

    This blog is too epic for some little shit like this.

    new note.. haha

    http://www.windycitygridiron.com/2011/11/9/2547313/oss-chicago-bears-minimalist-posters-series-2?ref=yahoo

    I do not know if I will literally buy one or call it epic... you decide lol

  • In reply to Artoo:

    Touche'

  • In reply to Doc Nitty 34:

    I hate when people use French terms - why should I have to call it a resume'? Why cant I call it a page containing a summation of my qualifications? I mean thats what it litterally is.

  • Epic comeback, bro.

  • In reply to Doc Nitty 34:

    It's no longer bro. It's brah.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Okay, Boatie. Okay.

  • It's called a CV sacramento.

    You’re quite obviously not a professor.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    He's what we Ivory tower dwellers call, a laymen.

  • In reply to Doc Nitty 34:

    Philistine?

  • In reply to Artoo:

    I like the ditka one... Jeff, if you had done that I think the shirts would have sold a bit more. Just my $.02.

    Nice find Erik... on a rival blog no less.

  • Hmmm.

    Aaron Rodgers has been sacked 20 times in 8 games.

    Jay Cutler has been sacked 21 times in 8 games.

    After being sacked 7 times in the first 4 games,
    Mr. Rodgers has gone done 13 times over his last 4..

    While Cutler went down 15 times in games 1-4,
    he has been sacked only 6 times in games 5-8.

    We can only hope this trend continues.

  • Whitlock has an interesting take on the timing of the JokePa story: seems that the story was leaked AFTER the coward hit the 409 wins mark.

    http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/Jason-Whitlock-Penn-State-sex-scandal-Jerry-Sandusky-blame-Joe-Paterno-Nittany-Lions-110711

  • In reply to Viva:

    Purely a COINCIDENCE, I'm sure, Viva (nudge, nudge, wink, wink).

  • Haugh from the Trib thinking the same as Jeff.

    "Smith outcoached Andy Reid.

    Even Eagles quarterback Michael Vick acknowledged the Bears defense "played some different coverages other than what we thought." In a high-risk, high-reward move, Smith trusted scrappy cornerbacks Charles Tillman and Tim Jennings to play more man than usual and less Cover-2 against the Eagles' speedy receivers.

    Offensively, Smith deserves credit for emphasizing balance to coordinator Mike Martz. Martz hasn't called a smarter game, evenly mixing 33 runs with 33 pass plays. More impressively, Martz kept seven pass blockers in a majority of time to increase protection and called more rollouts to get Jay Cutler on the move. For the first time in the Cutler-Martz Era, Cutler didn't get sacked.

    He efficiently managed a game almost everybody except the Bears thought they would lose.

    Before kickoff, I was among those questioning Smith for leaving run-stuffing defensive tackle Anthony Adams off the 46-man active roster to dress six wide receivers. Holding the Eagles to 60 rushing yards below their average says Smith was right.

    Smith also was right about cutting veteran safety Chris Harris and waiting until Thursday to fly to London instead of worrying about jet lag. He was right about an oddly reconfigured offensive line developing by midseason and about incessant financial complaints of players not getting in the way of football.

    Most memorably, Smith was right about the Bears not getting the respect they have earned.

    All that changed late Monday, the true midpoint of a season suddenly full of possibility for a Bears team it no longer seems fair or wise to underestimate."

  • So I'm not going to bother talking about JA. But just to illustrate how hard it is to find great GM talent (and more importantly for those apparent great ones to stay great), it's a bit eye-opening what's been happening over in Indy...

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/09/jim-irsay-sends-bill-polian-a-message-on-twitter/

    Pretty damning article on how GM Polian the Younger is a "toxic force" and basically destroyed the scouting organization.

    In any case, clearly the Colts are in shambles, and Manning injury aside, both Polians are the ones that let it get there. This points again to the cold, hard truth that for the most part nobody knows who the "great" or "hot" GMs are going to be -- we tend to use post-hoc hindsight-bias to judge who is great or not. We can complain all we want about how the McCaskeys can't/won't hire first-rate GMs but how do they get them if you can't hire away the great ones from their teams that love them, and you can't tell who will become a great one in advance? (Heck, even if you manage to steal away a "great" one, how can you be sure he'll be successful a second time?)

  • In reply to Michael L:

    Further along these lines, there are interesting local articles linked to by PFT that detail how badly Belichick has been struggling to find even mediocre starters on DL and in the secondary.

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/09/haynesworth-the-latest-personnel-miscue-by-belichick/

    "In the end, the Patriots have two big weaknesses: Their pass rush and their secondary. The Patriots were always great at fixing problems in the past, but these issues have plagued them for years now."

    "They haven’t been able to find a pass rusher in the draft."

    "Other than Devin McCourty and Patrick Chung, the entire secondary is made of “street free agents,” undrafted players, and waiver claims. Too many players with key roles were picked up just before or during this season."

    These criticisms sound kind of familiar?

  • In reply to Michael L:

    Kind of rings hollow when they traded Richard Seymour to the Raidahs.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Well, read the articles I guess. Just because they jettisoned an unproductive guy doesn't mean they have solid players to fill in the void. They dropped Meriweather too, but they've got nobody filling his spot capably. They're still the 32nd ranked defense, and apparently looking pretty bad while doing it.

    I don't really know myself, but all these criticisms are coming from a host of local writers, so take it how you will...

  • In reply to Michael L:

    THIS year, Anglelo's gambles seem to be working.

    Gamble #1. Not drafting another Olinemen, when clearly that was our biggest priority, in the 2nd-3rd rounds when some qualities one were available.

    Did he trust Tice that much? Did he just like Paea and Conte more than the Olineman available like Rodnney Hudson, Marcus Gilbert, John Moffit, William Rackley, etc?

    When we all watched Cutler heroically run for his life vs the Lions, we all just shook our head. Now it looks like the gamble might have paid off. However, keep in mind, that some of those Olinemen are starting for their teams, while Paea sometimes doesn't even suit up. A lot of ppl were screaming on Draft Day when we picked up Conte instead of more big men, but this is perhaps THE JA gamble of 2011 which will either make him look like a genius or schmuck.

    Gamble #2. JA decided to scrap the bottom of the barrel of FA this year, with mixed results. Our second biggest need is arguably WR, and while there were some bigger names out there like Sydney Rice (who I was hesitant about due to his injury history), JA decided to cheap and get Roy, who is the epitome of the term "mixed results." However, are the other WR FA options this year outperforming Roy by much? Not really. The only other guy (the guy I wanted) who seems to be more dangerous is Plax, but one can argue that Plax is 35ish and JA was thinking more long term.

    Okoye, Gholston, Hurd, Barber, Roy, Spaeth and Clutts were low-risk high-reward players, and with the exception of Gholston, they have undeniably improved our team.

    THE UFAs are contributing as well, most notably Sanzen, but I don't really give JA credit for that since EVERY team wanted him, and he chose the Bears because of Martz. Reed seems like a gem, and we shipped the Canadien Fantuz back to the Rough Riders.

    Gamble #3. This might be #1 to some - but how JA handled Forte and Briggs will also determine his success. The Briggs thing was just ridicuolous - and JA rightfully dismissed his ludicrous jabbering. But the Forte scenario seems to be getting worse, but it can be viewed in many ways. From a purely BUSINESS stand-point, JA is right. Yet something about this whole situation stinks. JA told Forte he was our highest priority, now we're talking about franchising him for 2yrs in a row. The CJ and Williams contracts further muddled the talks.

    STILL, the contract talks don't seem to distract either player or the team (and may even motivate) as both are producing at pro-bowl level.

    IF a reasonable contract can agreed upon before next season, this would be a MAJOR win for JA.

    Gamble #4. Boy, there's been a lot of changes at Halas Hall this year boy, not least of which is the absent of the face we've been accustomed of seeing for the last 13 years - Kreutz. Many questioned letting our team leader go, esp since our Oline was dead last in 2010, but no one questions JAs stance anymore.

    Garza has more than proven his worth (and has been rewarded to a 2 yr contract), while Kreutz inexplicably retired. Word around the Saint's camp-fire was that he was going to get benched for a rook, and he had too much pride for that and just retired, money be damned.

    Harris is the second veteran we released and again questions swirled. But this was more a Lovie move (as the Olsen release was a Martz call), so we can't hold JA responsible here.

    Also, by sheer luck, the FAs we DIDN'T sign/resign aren't doing so hot.

    Remember RT Colon from the Steelers? He's on IR.

    As is D. Manning on the Texans.

    Albert Haynesworth (who I really wanted, and still would give a shot to) just has been released by the Pats.

    So, while JAs long term record is dubious at best, THIS year, it seems like he has made all the right moves. Homered into it, or is this a much needed trend for our future?

    Hopefully, the latter.

  • In reply to 4ever85:

    Cogent comment except for Haynesworth. Don't see how ANYBODY is still interested in this guy who has, obviously, lost any desire to put out the necessary effort.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    I agree Albert, I'm more iffy on Haynesworth now than ever before, for a few reasons - number one being that he's been fighting a back injury all year, and those don't just go away.

    He's just so perfect for our system. We NEED a disruptive force in the middle for the cover-2 to function. Haynesworth is a 6-4 350 force with the quickness of 3-tech Tackle.

    Haynesworth is nasty and WANTS sacks. If given only one gap to penetrate, he can be effective.

    However, his back and effort are less than ideal, to say the very least. But AA and Paea aren't exactly racking up the numbers and we need penetration when we have to play Rodgers, Stafford, etc.

  • In reply to 4ever85:

    Can't see the Bears rolling the dice on Albert H.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Yeah, I doubt it happens.

    Bears steer clear of guys with questionable effort and bad attitude.

    However, the Lions, Bucs and Eagles might get him.

    I really wouldn't want to see a Dline with Haynesworth, Suh, and Fairley two times a year...

  • In reply to 4ever85:

    he took his 3 tackles to sunny tampa fl.
    where the weather suites his clothes

  • In reply to 4ever85:

    i am not going to judge flatbread at all till he has an offseason to rehab
    right now I believe he is damaged goods
    trying to give his best effort with 1 and a half legs

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    The guys who lost Gerald McCoy were obviously very interested. Glad we're done with them.

    And reason #5401 that we're going to kick the Lions where the sun don't shine is their new safety.

  • In reply to 4ever85:

    I won’t make this too long ‘85, but:

    1. Swap out Paea for Franklin or moffitt and le favor#2 for another promising low-round DB and I would have been happy with that draft. Sure the oline looks good now, but how much MORE set would we be long-term with another high-round inside guy learning and ready to go in case of bad juju? We might even have been able to concentrate on LB/DB/WR next year instead of needing at least one more high-round inside olinemen

    2. I love the Okoye, clutts, Barber, and Spaeth pickups… but like you said all were very low risk/$ and most were known entities/high rd picks back in the day. But the one place we really needed a high value and maybe high dollar player was at WR. No decent pick up thre though… and while clown shoes has made a couple clutch catches, he’s also dropped more than a few - he too was a known entity... that no one else but angelo and martz would touch. He’s obviously not the answer or even a reasonable stop gap for our 4-year+ #1 WR problem.

    3. We’ll see how this pans out. I understand the business side, but forte has been the consummate pro (except for some public whining), but franchising him for 2 years is pretty much a fuck you to our best player. That’s not how you build confidence in your business relationships or team unity. Deals are easy to do… you just need to be smart, creative, and progressive thinking to create a win for both sides. This proves my whole point about JA, he’s none of those things.

    4. Meh, do you think any other decent GM/coach would have offered oline $4 fucking Million to come back after being basically shit for 2 years? I would have cut his ass last year and let the sentimentalists cry. Fuck that guy… well, he fucked himself in the end, but you get my point. Oh, and butterfly effect mang… those injuries probably wouldn't have happened if they’d have come to us. Injuries are VERY situational.

    5. Depth. Show me where this is anywhere on our roster? Matty goes down? Cutty goes down? Pep goes down? Lach goes down? Peanut goes down? I just want a GM who can do the painfully obvious stuff... he doesn't have to be a fucking genius... but he can't be a moron with decent luck either.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    5. On the depth issue, I'm not a JA apologist by any means, but it's hard to replace pro-bowlers.

    I mean, if Brees goes down, who's their qb?

    If Jarred Allen goes down, who else on that team is getting double-digit sacks?

    If Lewis goes down, can anyone else on the Raven's D really replace him?

    JA DEFINITELY needs to do better in the draft, but sometimes it's just a crap shoot.

    Case in point. Demarco Murray. He was picked up in the 3rd by the Cowboys, even the Packers and Pats brain trust overlooked that. Imagine that - Murray on the Pack...

    Like I said MB, JA did better THIS year (obviously not perfect), and I just hope it's not an anomaly.

  • In reply to 4ever85:

    Angelo can't redeem himself at this point for years of failure. Conte turned out to be a good pick. Still PO'd that we took Paea instead of the #1 back when he dropped to 53 .... but drafting Enderle when James Starks was at the top of our draft board needs explaining to me. 3rd string QB - these go in when your 1st and 2nd string go down, so why would you want a rookie going in at that point? We've got Earl and Roy at receiver and that's it. Hurd could be a bit special when he gets the offense down. We haven't got depth anywhere. We used to have it at TE, but not now. GB lost both offensive tackles recently and didn't miss a beat. Even if we won the SB I'd still want Angelo's head, he's a cancer.

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    yep

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    i think Conte has a big upside at safety 'cause this is only his 2nd year at the position

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    So dude, WTF? You've said this now like a half dozen times that JA took Enderle instead of James Starks... but this makes no sense. Starks was drafted in 2010, Enderle was drafted this year (2011). WTF, I don't get it?

  • In reply to Michael L:

    You are correct Sir. I have a Dan LeFevour/Nathan Enderle/Irrelevant QBs association problem.

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    Illegal Hurd Boner

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    i believe the biggest loss do to injury so far is wooten
    he was recieving great results early in camp from his summer routine
    I can't believe he got hurt on a special teams play

    being that size, and on the field for speed; shows he had some potential;
    and then his hand gets f-d
    he won't be whole till next season; but could have provided depth
    and could have been gaining valuable experience for the future

    i like hurd's energy on special teams and believe he was taken to replace some of the lost special talent as a priority
    rahter than filling a role as reciever
    but, the man has grit; and could be help at reciever depth
    in the short term

  • In reply to 4ever85:

    Good summary 85. Again my point wasn't really to get into JA at all, but you're pretty much spot on in your analysis I'd say.

    I'm with MB30 in that going into the draft I wanted to see more OL talent brought in, but like you I'm willing to accept that maybe the DL and S help we brought in (and there's no doubt both positions needed a boost) will pay more dividends. Like Irish, I have a lot of faith in Tice -- especially after the magic tricks he pulled out last year (his first year on the job, dealt a very limited hand) -- so it was a choice I could live with, at least. We'll find out eventually if Paella and Chem TA pan out...

  • In reply to Michael L:

    Oh, I'm with you and MB.

    Conte wasn't on my "draft board" - Guys like Moffit and Rackley were, and I would have drafted them more than likely.

    However, I don't have scouts working for me lol And apparently the Bears got some inside info from one of Conte's coaches who used to work for the Bears, so they trusted their "network".

    Paea is an enigma. Even Hub Arkush doesn't know what to make of him, and he said that no other prospect divided the scouts more than Paea, so that pick was definitely more risky than an oline guy.

    IF Lance Louis turns out to be our RT, and Spencer (Whom I neglected) RG

    And IF Paea and Conte end up starters, then I would grade this draft a "B" - but we won't know that till about 2 years from now.

  • In reply to 4ever85:

    I still can't get Mayock's pre-draft comment on Paea out of my head. "No football instincts."

    We're looking pretty good at defensive tackle though. And even though I haven't seen the Eagles game yet, it looks like Tice has done wonders with the likes of Webb. How many false starts were there against the Eagles? I don't miss Frank Omelette or Chris Harris one bit.

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    try a Q-tip

  • In reply to 4ever85:

    I'm down with that '85.

    85 and Mike... it would be my guess that the position coaches (and martz) now have a LOT of influence over picks. But is draft by committee the best policy, or would it be better to have one dude who gets input then makes great decisions.

    none of us know who and how things go down now, but I just hope our drafts somehow get much better going forward.

  • MB30 - if grasshoppers can't have machineguns, only the ants will have machineguns.
    And then where will we be?

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    First... Mike. I get that you make good points and that it's either difficult to steal a good GM or pick a good one. But it's like any other position on a football franchise, having people up top who can make those decisions well is the difference that will filter down to every single 'employee' and is the difference between dynasty teams and those constantly fighting to maintain mediocrity.

    We very obviously aren’t built for prolonged success from the very top down. Sure we have pockets of good to greatness at most levels, but here is my deal one final time (and please feel free to address me directly)… Angelo has PROVEN to be a terrible (yes, terrible) talent evaluator and acquirer – it’s true I promise. For every lucky late-round pick up, I can show you two or three earlier round ‘meh’s or busts.

    Maybe we can’t steal ozzie or Thomson (what a fucking coupe that would be) away… but how about someone who simply understands our weaknesses and addresses them?

    Here, let me strip away ALL of the bullshit and hows and ifs and whats and get down to the core nitty gritty… We need a GM who understands how to build depth for long-term continuity of success, we do not have that in Angelo. Period.

    Second… MBP… you give the ants raid of course. Silly! (sorry to hijack your comment MBP)

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    huh? What? Did you say my name?

  • In reply to Doc Nitty 34:

    what? huh? wha?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    You know MB30, I think we're pretty much in agreement. I don't know if JA is a terrible talent evaluator, but Ruskell is in charge of that now. I don't think he's a terrible acquirer -- he doesn't whiff at getting guys they truly target, and the guys he does whiff at usually were wanting more than they were worth or wanting to stay home (like Colon) -- but again I think Lovie does more for acquisitions than JA does.

    But strip all that aside as you say, and yes I don't particularly think JA is all that great. He certainly isn't excellent, and while he may clock in at a bit over average... that's only because average across the league is pretty poor. I only think he is given way more grief than he deserves, but honestly the only reason I care is not at all for his "legacy" but more to enjoy the season with fellow fans taking a positive outlook on moves that haven't panned out yet. As I've said over and over, once it's the off-season fire away!

    The only thing I ask for those wanting to dump JA is to make a suggestion or 2 as to who they could realistically replace him with. If we want to dump average to shoot for great, then we should be sure there is someone available who is, if not great, at least a potential great. That's all. Look if Lovie and the current team was shit, then fine calling to disrupt the front office without a replacement plan is in order. But when we've got a team that is regularly competitive for the playoffs, I think it's a reasonable thing to ask. BTW, Newsome is good, but I'm not convinced (as of yet) that Thompson isn't just lucky. (Neither one is remotely realistic, of course, as you noted...)

  • I don't think Lovie has changed as much as some of you think. I agree he's making players more accountable but #54 said just the other day that Lovie had him in his office in 2007 to say he wasn't cutting the mustard. I think some of the BS comes from Angelo. Esp, the Rex is our QB and keeping Butter well past his expiration date. No doubt Lovie is challenged with the time outs. I think the challenge flags are as much bad advice from the booth as it is Lovie being a dope. A lot of his challenges seem to be of the "What the hell, it was a big play and maybe I'll get lucky" variety. I think people make way too much about the challenges. How often have we lost a game at the end because we ran out of time outs? Maybe 1. I know, that's one more than we should but ...

    Lovie's players all love him and everything you read he holds them accountable. I'll take the time out and challenge fuck ups.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    butter... expiration date... hee hee.... i see how you did that canada

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    +1 Canada... I really don't think he has changed much either -- the difference is it's just been more obvious/public the last 2 years. Similarly, I've seen the strategy flexibility even as far back as 2007, but definitely big-time in the opening game of 2008 in the Colts rematch. But nobody cared about it back then because they were losing (although much of that had to do with injuries, and perhaps more one-dimensional or less football-smart personnel).

    But Jeff is right on, this defense as it's built now is brilliant against Rodgers and Vick... Heck you can throw Ryan (2011: 6, 2009: 21, 2008: 22), Freeman (2011: 16), E.Manning (2010: 10, 2007: 21, 2006: 20), Romo (2010: 13, 2007: 27), Stafford (2011: 24, 2010: 14, 2009: 24), A.Smith (2009: 10, 2006: 10), and arguably even Brees (2011: 30, 2008: 24, 2007: 25, 2006P: 14) in there too. Not a bad track record, especially considering some of those points were given up in garbage time.

  • OK so perhaps I'm just confused by all of the name changes etc but what happened to Fres? Did he change his name, accidentally splash his laptop while in the bubble bath or perhaps he was abducted by Mexican street gangs? Hmmm...someone call Robert Stack.

    FYI- Got my Bears vs Raiders tickets and the group is up to 9 Bears fans and one Chargers fan. Should be good! Hey isnt someone on here from Davis? If any of you guys want to join us for tailgating and tomfoolery let me know.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1amYd47CQs

  • He's still around once in a while... he comes on to drop barely legible rants laden with f-bombs while high.

    The Cheesy went to Davis. Are you going to invite him? That would be impressive... unless it's just to be a human table for your beers - that wouldn't be very nice. He believe he does live in Santa Cruz, so he's right there.

    I too am a Cal Aggie alum sac, but haven't been up north in a few years. Thanks for the invite.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Tempting Sac, very tempting...I'm not sure my schedule will permit me though. The last Raider game I went to was in L.A. and that was always a site to behold.

    Yeah, what did happen to Fres!? I'm playing his damn FF team this week, and while everyone else plays him while half his players are on byes, this is the second time I play him at full strength, wth! (RunDMC will be sitting though).

  • In reply to 4ever85:

    When I was in the Corps I went to a Bears/Raiders game when they were in L.A. There were about 10 of us. We didn't have a single problem. He He.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    You should invite the big cheeze, and brutally murder him. That would be hilarious.

  • Oh dear gawd that’s the LAST thing I need.. some fat guy who smells like limburger and liverwurst taking up 3/4 of the backseat on an hour long car ride. With my luck he'll have a massive coronary at the game after walking up the first flight of stairs he's seen in the last 10 years and I'll be detained on suspicion of euthanasia.

  • http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/michael_mccann/11/09/joe.paterno/index.html

  • Can you feel how painful it was for donny to write this (eat a dick donny!):

    "Chicago Bears (5-3)
    It has been a pretty good four weeks for Lovie Smith's team, which is 3-0 with a bye over the course of the past month. If the playoffs started today (and it would mess up the entire NFL schedule if they did) the Bears would be the NFC's second wild-card team, and they own tiebreakers over the Falcons, Bucs and Eagles, all of whom they beat head to head. And even better, if Chicago can knock off Detroit this week at home, the Bears will pull into a second-place tie behind Green Bay in the NFC North.

    Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/don_banks/11/09/week.9/index.html#ixzz1dEyMp832"

    Ps. Canada, I do it because it's fun to toast those buffoons.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Shut the fuck up, Donny! You're out of your elelment!

  • In reply to jrnymn17:

    Nice

  • gotta fire jerry he has no sense get rid of T Jones not go for more offensive line help ya we're getting lucky our offensive line is getting their shit together but what if it did not prob 7-9 season. Jerry is not a winner.

  • Oh boy.

  • In reply to Viva:

    get some...

  • Epic:

    @EBBennett80: Wife trip to Philly $1,000 Fined for cleats $5,000 Beating Philly on the road priceless!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    That is literally fantastic.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    5k? was that for the orange shoes? How'd I miss that?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    well I am glad those shoes cost him some cash also
    my fine; for orange shoes, was only 2 hrs. of time and a half though

    but being walked of the workroom floor by the postmaster......
    priceless

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    It annoyed me no end to hear him say that he knew he'd get fined but what's $5,000. To me it's a hell of a lot Earl, as I'm sure it was to your mother when she was raising you.

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    He didn't say "what's $5k?"... He only makes $550k this year, so that's a lot of money to him too.

    What he said was that he was gone for so long, he wanted to wear orange, fine be damned.

  • Jeff, loved your "epic" post. I totally agree. I think you referred to it as epic because it runs very, if not completely, counter to your previously-held beliefs about Lovie. I'm in the exact same boat - in fact, it seems like just four games ago I hated everybody in management/coaching and many on the team. Now that probably just bespeaks of my impatience and knee jerk responses to losses - but I really was ready to blow the whole thing up. Now I have to give credit to all the coaches who are getting better as we go on. That was one incredible and entertaining game and win. That win spoke volumes about who THIS 2011 Bear team is - this is now a team I am proud to root for, proud to proclaim from the rooftops - THIS IS MY TEAM!!!! Have had many congratulatory comments down here in South Texas - with comments like "man, your guys were REALLY hitting" - "Cutler's really not that bad, is he?" and my favorite "who's that right tackle you got, he's like a motor grader, no wonder Forte can run" and "should I put Bennett on my fantasy team?" (answer: YES!!!)

    Oh, how sweet it is!!!

    BTW for the first time in about 15 years I know how it is to be on the other side - the side where the slobbering on TV is being done over YOUR QB - Jay should have Gruden's audio from that game rolling on an infinite loop in his house.

    And Jay, that little 3 stooges spin move on the ground is part of my new all-time favorite Jay play. And speaking of you, Jay, well, sorry for my earlier comments. I thought they were warranted, but they weren't.

    Lovie certainly deserves to keep running this team. So do the other coaches. Angelo - NO. You're part of the problem, not part of the solution. We either need a new GM or we'll keep calling you the GM and someone else can pick the draft. In fact, that's what I'd call for - you keep your filthy mitts off the draft ENTIRELY, but you can still mess with the FA's, the contracts, and the dollars. I still think you're better than average at that. But as a drafter? NEIN!!!!

    I don't watch all the games in the league, but can there possibly be anyone playing better LB than #54 up til now?

    CAN'T WAIT FOR SUNDAY AT 3:00!!!! DA BEARS ARE ON A ROLL!!!!

    WILD CARD BABY!!! (I know, doesn't sound quite as rousing as SUPER BOWL BABY!!! but that's the rallying cry, isn't it?)

  • In reply to PhilfromSATX:

    +1 Phil, great post. No question #54 is killing it right now. It does seem like he's maybe a little slower than he used to be, but he is still making plays, finding ball carriers, and showing up on tape.

    I'd be on board with your "no JA mitts on the draft" policy, haha. You know, Ruskell is the top personnel guy now starting with this draft so it's possible that policy might even already be in effect. I admit probably not, but who knows?

    Your Jay and congratulatory comments are hilarious BTW. Love it.

  • In reply to Michael L:

    Brian won't say it
    but his play is dedicated to Lavoyda

  • Lovie should go for the sweater vest look. Just to see how that would fly.

  • Oh and the new Nyquil ad stars Lovie.

    Things I didn't want to see on tv: Lovie sprawled on a bed, snoring.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Typical Lovie.... 30 second commercial and not one word. I laughed my ass off the first time I seen it.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I made a comment on the game thread GP... they played the commercial during the game on Monday.

    I thought... yeah, lovie's sick alright, but he needs to be in a fucking vagasil commercial, not nyquil.

    btw, nyquil is the best shit ever invented.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    lovie should be a spokesman for an energy drink

    he could pitch red bull
    after he drinks it they could say that he has been
    " epically" transformed into a human of average talking speed

  • it's starting to look like Javid Best is going to be out of the cowardly Lionup this week. Good news the da Bear.

  • MB. What position did you play in college? SS or was it LB?

  • In reply to Doc Nitty 34:

    ss doc

  • I am watching the replay of the Bears game on NFL Network and i have to say that even though it was incomplete I am now a huge fan of that sprintout call by Martzthat Cutler almost had with KD. I know it was 3rd and 1 and i'd rather see Greg Olsen running that particular route but it was still Saints-esque regardless. ballsy by martz, it will come back to help us later in the year. KD beat the LB covering him.

  • oh and for the guys that talk about Cutlers shitty footwork?

    The Bennett fade was off his back foot and his whole body was in the air as he threw it. fucking touchdown.

    Steve Young has decided to stop talking about Cutlers footwork. he admitted after the game that it doesn't really matter with jay. the ball is either going to be there or it isn't as he has proven in the past.

  • china dead

  • I remember one time I brought up how he still does it and you gave a good argument saying " we live and die by the sword" because sometimes it looks brilliant and other times not so good

  • In reply to Artoo:

    i think most people would agree that with improved line performance Cutler will perform as advertised.

    Rodgers is a technician, a special talent
    Cutler is a cowboy, a special talent

    I like both guys. I like that Jay is our guy. I felt from the beginning like we could win any game as long as he was in the game and there was still time on the clock and a downfield pass pattern called.

    It doesn't always work that way but he was brought in to take us far into the playoffs. In his 2nd year on the team we got to the NFC Championship game. Let's see where this 3rd year takes us with an improved line, inspired running by Matty, a healthy Bennett, Hester and a defense that can still bring a guy down from time to time.

    Bear Down

  • Yep, two different QB's - but I'd take ours in a bar-fight any day of the week. Metaphorically and literally speaking.

  • just read the grand jury testimony. I don't think any of these guys have the courage to do what is right and kill themselves. Pussies like the Grad Asst, the high level admin guys, Paterno and Sandusky don't have any honor so they can't be expected to own up and take their own lives like men.

    There is no way that Sandusky's wife didn't know what was going on. There is no reason why Sandusky should have made it past 1998 without the police, the administration, paterno looking the other way. This fucking thing goes all the way to the top and it's a fucking disgusting display of cowardice on so many levels.
    I could only think about my little girl as i drove home with my eyes filled with tears and rage and anger. The list of innocent kids will grow into the dozens. They are scarred for life. Some will now abuse their own as some damaged people sometimes do.
    All you can do is whatever is humanly possible to protect your kids and family.
    I can only hope that death comes to those involved. Everyone involved should have their lives irreparably harmed just like these kids were harmed. Curley needs to have his life shattered, McCoward needs to have a Scarlet C on his fucking chest. Paterno needs to die and shit his diapers or shit his diapers and then die. Guys like Schultz and the "cops" that did NOTHING need to be held accountable.

  • things started falling apart in this american society when they required 2 salaries to keep a home afloat
    somebody has to be home sailing the boat into safe harbours daily

    raising children at home was portrayed as boring and less than rewarding
    when a good parent at home is the bedrock of a great society

  • In reply to huntinbare:

    150% hunti. I feel so lucky to have my wife at home with our kids. So lucky.

    Hardest job in the world. 24/7. 265 man.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    maybe even 365

  • fuck man, I could barely finish the second page man.

    turns my fucking stomach. Disgusting evil vile excuse for a human. Fire all the other cunts, but kill sandusky... tonight. shoot him in the stomach with a smaller caliber and leave him to suffer till dead.

    Jesus christ.

  • Paterno and Spanier fired.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    good, but not good enough

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    Too little, too late.
    The Board of Trustees is trying to stop the bleeding before their precious institution ends up without a conference or a football program.
    This should've been done days ago.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    The FBI is looking at criminal charges, and have raided IT and pulled every email they can get going back to 2000.

    This could land the president of the U in prison.

  • wow: http://espn.go.com/nfl/powerrankings

  • Shady, sorry for bailing so fast maing. The grandparents showed up and I was supposed to be helping the wife get things ready for everyone, not fucking up Jihadists with you.

    Thanks for saving me like 20 times… I like to get aggressive and get into the shit. I also like the sniper rifle, but those fuckers were moving too fast while looking through the scope. Nice work on the tanks. Also, I had no fcuking clue what I was doing with the huey… were you on the ground?

    Anyway, let’s hook it up again soon. Do you have MW4? We can go head-to-head, it’s a lot more fun.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I wish PS3 and Xbox 360 could combine each other online.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    No problemo mang. Yeah you need to chill out and find cover when those tanks come rolling in, don't be a hero! By the way, I was flying the chopper you were in- who do you think brought it crashing down on that BMP? haha

  • I am not going to go deep into detail about the Penn State situation.

    It should not happen and I could care less what happens to those who let it happen.

    It is hard for me to not feel just pure hate towards people like this and wonder about the world.

    Someone on the NFL network said it perfectly. " It's not that there is so many evil people in this world. It's the good people that do not do anything about it any more. "

    So sad but so true.

    Side note: Bears85Payton23 is my gamertag on 360.

  • Is Joe Paterno God to some of these idiot students?

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    they have been told to believe in him that way by everyone involved

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    Idk.. sometimes people are just blind sir.

  • this just in joe got canned

  • In reply to huntinbare:

    sorry 5th didn't see your post

  • Has anyone noticed the increasingly amount of tweets FQ gets to Jeff?

    That mothereffer has a conversation with him more than he does with us on here.

  • In reply to Artoo:

    FQ is a very sharp guy; you should get on twitter.

  • the fact that joe met with campus police
    and the campus police were overseen by
    "I Know Nothing" Schultz
    was enough in my book to say goodbye to Joe

    I just wish he was as tenacious, toward getting to the truth
    behind the allegations; and remaining diligent until the wrong was punished
    as he was toward trying to get the victory for his team

  • In reply to huntinbare:

    He did not -meet- with campus police.
    He did not -contact- campus police.
    He went to administrative "higher-ups" and passed the buck.
    Just wanted to clarify that; I've seen a couple of people make that statement.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    A life long friend has been griping to me about D1 college sports for almost 15 years, and he's an Athletic Director at a University. He was calling Spanier an arrogant jackass years ago, and saying Penn State personifies what's wrong with college sports. I talked to him last night, and he laid out exactly what The Board of Directors was going to do, but he said it might take 48 hours. When I hear the talk about how this will affect college football and the Penn State sports program, I get even more disgusted. I heard supposed comments by Sandusky today saying he apologizes to Joe Paterno, but nothing about the kids? So much of this is unbelievable.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    It is becoming, in some ways, this generation's Watergate...which I think Jeff alluded to in one of his tweets.
    That says alot about the $ involved in D-1 football now.

    That is a great perspective, Corm.

    The only reason I can imagine that McQueary is still around is because he knows way more than what showed up in the Grand Jury - or the BOT think that he knows more than what he testified to.

    I am a helluva lot prouder today to have attended a 2,500 student school in bumblefuck Minnesota than any single PSU grad will be when the sun rises tomorrow.

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