Monday Nighter in Detroit Could Tell Tale of Bears Season

Monday Nighter in Detroit Could Tell Tale of Bears Season

The Detroit Lions are 4-0.  Undefeated.  And for a few hours every Sunday they are helping one of America’s great cities forget about the cobwebbed factories, rampant unemployment, inflating crime rates and Matt Millen.  They have magic too, this Lions team.  Les Frazier inexplicably refused to hand the ball to Adrian Peterson with a twenty point lead and instead let Donovan McNabb stop drives (and the clock) with his arm.  Stafford.  Calvin Johnson.  Lions win.  Tony Romo wasn’t content with throwing two pick sixes to revive an offensive-challenged Lions team Sunday.  He had to loft up a Favrean masterpiece of an interception late in the fourth quarter and ice his shitty quarterbacking cake.  Lions win.

Now ESPN is bringing the circus to town for the first Monday Night Football game in Detroit since the Carter administration and they’ve invited the Chicago Bears to play heel.  It will not be an easy place for any opponent.  The fans will relish the national stage.  They will make communication impossible inside that building.  It will be a celebration for the people of the city and an expected coronation of sorts for a rising franchise.  The Lions want to be the talk of the football world Tuesday morning.

But the Bears could be.  If Bears fans were offered a 2-2 first quarter of the season in August, many of us would have signed on the dotted line.  It has been a bizarre first quarter, to say the least.  The defense has showed an inconsistent pass rush, poor gap discipline against the run and struggled to weather injuries at the safety position.  Nevertheless they’ve managed to force turnovers in big spots and scored a pair of touchdowns.  The offense has been a puzzle but it’s become very clear they are at their best when Matt Forte has the football in his hands.  With penalties, drops on third down and shaky pass protection rearing their heads at various moments it is more than safe to say the Bears have yet to play a cohesive game offensively.

Now we start the second quarter of the season.  The issues of those first four games now must be addressed and fixed over the next four.  If you’re going to be a playoff team, a team that contends for the Super Bowl, these are the games where that championship infrastructure is built.  The Bears are not going to acquire depth at safety.  They are not going to see one of their wide receivers turn into Willie Gault, though their recommitment to Johnny Knox is welcomed.  But Brandon Meriweather is going to become more acclimated to the scheme.  Chris Harris is going to get on the field.  Jay Cutler is going to develop something of a rapport with Roy Williams.  Dane Sanzenbacher is going to continue his journey to Ricky Proehlness.  They will improve, if just by the benefit of time.

It all starts Monday night.  I won’t make any bold general statements, applying fictional meaning to the outcome. But personally I will be ready to take this Bears team quite seriously if they go into Detroit Monday, deliver an inspired effort and win.  I won’t be checking hotel rates in Indianapolis or anything but I’ll believe they are capable of stringing together enough wins to play one of them elimination affairs in January.  If the Bears want to play in the postseason, they’ll need to beat teams like the Detroit Lions.  Why not start with beating the Lions themselves?

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  • First to tip my hat to Ricky Prohlness, although Steve Largentness or Wes Welkerness would also have been good.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    And maybe a dash of Art Monkness for Roy as well.

    Roy -

    If you make a first down, hand the fucking ball back to the ref, and walk calmly back to the huddle. You know, LIKE YOU'VE DONE IT BEFORE. I don't need to see Icky Shuffleness every time Roy does something good on the field. He has a lot to prove to the NFL, and a Monday night at his old stomping grounds would be a great place to start.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    And while Duersonness would be good for Pringles, I am happy to just see some damn Mark Carrierness out there at safety.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    And some Mark Bortzness for Spencer, who must face down Suh with his broken mitt.

  • In reply to gpldan:

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Some Demarcus Wareness for Julius, and Cutler to be Montana-ish would be nice. Garza to be Hilgenberg-esque would be acceptable. Urlacher, Briggs and Forte can just be themselves, and of course Devin to be ridiculous. A smattering of Bill Walsh-ness from Lovie, Marinelli to be Buddy-like, and Angelo to drop dead. Especially the very last one please.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    how about Fred Belitnikovness
    naaahhhh! he ain't handin' the ball to the ref
    he is going to make sure the crowd knows it's roy here!

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Jeff & gang...

    Short & White does not a Wes Welker make....

  • Funny, then stick around to watch Deion's top 10... check #'s 2 and 3... close your eyes for #1.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    The guy is good, MB. That sucks, but its true.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    agree Dave. He's damn good, maybe even the new brady... and yes, it pisses me off to no end.

    I don't know. I actually like cutty and think that if we had an OC/GM worth a shit, he'd show his real stuff... but the dude will never be rodgers. Not even close.

    That's just my thing I guess. I could live with lovie's mediocrity if we just had a really really good GM that would surround cutty with the right pieces. Alas, we may never know how god he is with angelo and martz ruining him (already ruined?).

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I've almost come to the opinion that I'll never see a real QB for the Bears. Maybe when I'm really old, and every single person that saw Sid Luckman play is dead....

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    What, You're not a fan of Moses Moreno?

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    I hope you mean .. .never see a real QB again, Dave.

    Jimmy Mac.


    {With some provisos not mentioned here. Maybe some adverse side-affects. Please read bottle carefully for details}

  • And now a community service message:

    Small steps so appropriate.

    Scrappy DOOOOOOOOOO (…is out for our game with a walking boot oooooonnnnn…)!

  • Oh and let's ask Irish, the lions fan, why we're going to lose this one?

    Fucking irish....

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Can we wait until during the game MB? It's so much more aggravating that way, no?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I don't think Irish is a Lions fan MB, he's just resentful at how fast they have turned it around as apposed to our hastening decline. I'm not at Lions fan by any stretch but I love Swartzie. That man has the X factor when it comes to intensity and coaching. As long as he's there they will be a legitimate team to contend with.

  • In reply to BigDaddy:

    I know Trac, I was just messing with Irish (like he always does with me.... bastard).

    And I agree on Detroit. But I don't know if it's all Schwartz (they got a new GM in the shakeup didn’t they?), but as I mentioned the last two years straight at draft time... they know what they're doing and they KILLED it in the last two draft and FA periods. Just really smart, strategic team building acquisitions all over the field at key spots. Yes, they’re a little thin at LB and DB, but pretty much jacked everywhere else.

    All this while Jerry, Martz, and lovie (in that exact order, lovie you fucking vagina) clusterfucked us with three years of no good oline picks (cookie and BJ are the best we have), two straight years of completely useless le favor clones, and more than FOUR years of the white/samoan safety fund.

    Jesus, does anyone really have to look further than Angelo to see who is dooming this team to a playoff berth every 4-5 years with no SB in sight (after blowing last year’s total destiny-on-a-silver-platter offering)?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    The Lions new GM is a guy who worked for Matt Millen. Maybe he listens to his scouts better than Millen did.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    That IS interesting, Cor. Of course, if one could only be as good as his teacher, than we as a species would never improve.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I heard that!

    Okay, I'm obviously not a Lions fan this week, and unfortunately my delight at their comeback-in-progress last week was completely annihilated by a 43 yard field goal by Mike Nugent to beat the Bills. 100 yoyos to win 900. Bastard. I squeezed 4 winners out of the later games so I didn't have to stick my head in the oven. Actually, I don't have an oven.

    However ....

    Somebody on the last thread said the Lions were relying on turnovers
    to win games. But so do teams rely on scoring TDs to win games. They rely on things like completing passes, making field goals. I don't know ... running and stuff like that. Against the Cowboys, Felix Jones wasn't getting hit and the ball kept popping out and a bunch of fat bastards fell on the ball - they're turnovers. The Lions were taking the ball away. Eventually, it has to be said.

    Running wise they run 74 YPG (but have been coming from behind, so they weren't running it a lot). We don't break 100 YPG rushing. The Carolina game was a spike in the stats because they're crap at rush defense. Missing 2 LBs and a DT to boot. They can run it if they need to because they have a good line.

    Passing wise they beat us hands down. They have actual receiving weapons. 2 big TEs to hit us in the seams, and a dude I think is top two in the league at WR. Burleson beats any of our receivers. Shoot me for this, but as a pure passer I think Stafford is better than Cutler. If we can overload the left side and force him to scramble to his left, we have a chance to unsettle and perhaps kill him.

    Defensively they are11th overall in yards allowed. I think we're 21st. We allow about the same rushing yards, but we give up way more in the air, they're 17 spots ahead of us in pass D. As far as I can see, they beat us in every aspect of the game including coaching ... except for special teams.

    It's an away game.

    Perhaps the most telling thing against us is that we're six point dogs. And the bookies know more than we do.

    Just can't see us winning this one. We struggled against Carolina and they have no defense. If we win, it's all good, can't see it happening though. And no cash of mine will be carried on the game either way.

  • btw, from the just sayin dept.

    Anyone notice that my wish-pick to replace lovie in '09 has quietly amassed a 3-1 record in his first year as an NFL HC? Yes, they haven't really beaten anyone of note yet... cept the eagles by 1, but still.

    Man, I love those brothers. They are both just really solid football minds. Come home next year Jim, come home.

  • Let's not put the pussy on a pedastal.

    Detroit has beaten an overhyped and very inexperienced Bucs team. Freeman is good, but still has a way to go. They have beat the two worst teams in the league in the Vikes and the Chiefs. And it took an epic second half Romo aneurysm to beats Dallas. 4 and 0 yes. But, no wherenear a dominating 4 and 0.

  • In reply to Crown:

    I have to agree Crown. If you look at the power rankings this week, most people have the two teams we lost to as 1 and 2.

    This week will be a defining game for the rest of our season. I just hope hitman is back.

  • In reply to Crown:

    By the way, who are the worst teams in the league? Just when I think I know, they come back and pooch somebody the next week.

  • I read some excellent articles on that game between the Trib and Suntimes. Today they ran one that explained the tape on D wasn't as bad as it appeared. We stopped them on 11 of 14 3rd or 4th down attempts. They talk about the unconventionality of the Panthers O as being part of the problem. It was obvious to me that Newton is a physical beast who's one of those guys who is very difficult to bring down. It's already been said here that Stafford is not one of those types.

    I believe that much like Steve Smith, we're not going to be able to shut down Stafford-Johnson. We don't have to - we just have to limit it. What I loved about the Panthers game was the return to some of the magic of the 2006 season, where special teams and defense had major contributions to every game. Panthers should have been a blowout after getting to 24-10 but then again, Packers let the Panthers put up 10 points in the 4th to make it close - and if they can do that against the Packers (the team against which all excellence is measured right now, for better or worse), than it's no crime that they did it against us.

    So let's imagine a game where Hester continues his major roll (perhaps without all the somersaults though), because he looks like he's in a zone right now - the D gets some turnovers, and the O puts together a game plan more like the Falcons one - one that features easier, shorter passes, that includes planned passes to Forte and actually uses the tight end (that was my favorite Jeff comment - "I like that we went from trading a terrific pass catching tight end to having no tight end ever on any play" - exactamente el Jefe!)

    One thing I do know about offensive linemen generically - they vastly prefer run blocking over pass blocking - and it looks like they were doing a great job of that against Carolina. I also read that Kellen Davis had an excellent day run blocking, I didn't notice that but apparently it was there and it makes sense since they had so much success. If you're Detroit you're going to sell out against the run so Martz better be ready with some high percentage plays that work early in the game.

    But I totally agree with overall premise - this game, Monday night, this is essentially our season. We're already two games behind two teams in our division, and one of those we have high confidence will continue winning games. So we need to take care of the other one, and be the team that knocks the Lions off of their high.


  • Anybody know Matt Spaeth's condition? We need him back and I want some balls going his way. And any word on that dude last night that got his foot about tore off? Man that was ugly. Totally shook up all the football players on both sides.

  • The one thing the Bucs did VERY well last night was use the screen, draw, and short/quick pass to set up the long shots. They are a really messy/sloppy team, but they ran the screen very well. I saw one series where they ran the exact same fucking screen 3 times in a row, each time getting 10+ yards. We need to disrupt the lions pass rush with that strategy in a big way.

    Yeah Phil, he dislocated his ankle and is getting surgery as we speak. MUCH better than a theisman... trust me on that one.

    Oh, I thought this was a decent read….

    “Cutler shouldn't have to win every game by himself. But although you can complain about his lack of weapons, bad coaching and clumsy line, it's becoming evident that he's not going to turn into Chicago's version of Aaron Rodgers.

    Something is missing, and whether that's on him, his coaching or his general manager's discount-bin style of talent allocation is immaterial right now. And anyway, it's probably a mix of all three coming together to form a vortex of confusion.”

  • Jeff, are you in a twitter slap-fight with a delusional cowboys (and romo) fan right now?

    That dude is smoking crack. Romo just plain sucks. That romo’s future has ‘golf course’ written all over it.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    What Romo did in the second half on sunday was incredible. But he is still a very good quarterback.

    And Jeff, he did singlehandedly win that redskins game, with his WRs and Center doing EVERYTHING they could to sabotage him.

  • In reply to thebigcheese:


    sounds familar (sub entire line and OC for Center).

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    That's also why I can't understand how Jeff can defend Cutler and discard Romo at the same time. They're almost kindred spirits. Talented, underachievers in a high-pressure, unforgiving market with big expectations. They each have 1 playoff victory in 5+ years, and critics points to their W-L record (Cutler in the regular season, Romo in the post-season). They are both on the receiving end of exaggerated negative media attention. Cutler is as prone to untimely INTs as anyone at the QB position, and Romo has given games away that were in the bag.

    Personally I would take Romo over Cutler because I think he has been more successful, more often than Cutler has. You could say that his supporting cast is better, and you'd be right, but the numbers are heavily tilted in favor of Romo. And you can beat the "stats don't mean anything" cliche over and over again but even though stats aren't everything, they are significant. And if Cutler isn't a winner, and his numbers are poor, what are you banking on? Arm strength and wishful thinking?

  • In reply to thebigcheese:

    He's our guy now but I never thought we should have mortgaged the farm for him. Add the diabeties complications, a poor O-line, mediocre WR's and W-a-l-a, Presto.

  • In reply to thebigcheese:

    yep, can't say those aren't all decent points.

  • In reply to thebigcheese:

    While I agree with all that Cheese, in the end there is only one stat that really matters, and that is games won or lost.

    Jim McMahon was never more than a mid-tier QB, yet all he did was win games. Sure, it helped having an offensive line (something that Grossman, Orton, and Cutler have NOT had in Chicago) but Jim had something that just led to wins.

    We have not had that in a long time. You have it now, so enjoy.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    To clarify, I'm not saying the McMahon is as good as Rodgers. He wasn't.

    But when you look at Aaron against the Bears, he really has been mediocre - at best. Except that the Packers win the games. And THAT is the comparison I'm trying to make. Even though Rodgers statistically does much worse against the Bears than the league, he wins. I hate that. And although it would be poetic justice were some thug on the Bears to bury Rodgers' throwing shoulder in the turf 5 or 6 seconds after a play is over, I suspect our team is above that sort of thing.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    Yeah, I'm not really talking about Rodgers. I was just talking Romo v Cutler and their remarkable similarities. And I understand, but disagree with, Jeff taking shots at Tony Romo........but not without feeling the same way about JC. I don't think you can discard Romo in one breath, and back Jay Cutler with the next. I'd argue that Cutler is guilty of the same failures/qualities that Romo is criticized for, but with less redeeming success.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    I wouldn't be so fast to put Rodgers ahead of Jimmy Mac. He semi-shit-the-bed a couple of games ago, didn't he? He's got the super-arm, sure. Could he call his own game? What happens if he's down two/three/four scores? Have we seen him in that position and refuse to die? His career was fkd after Charles Martin, so we never got to see what could be. Will a Steve Young ever say they learned the game of football sitting on the bench behind A-Rodge? Time will tell.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    Daaaaave. Feeding ......

    But yes. Jimmy Mac. A fkn winner, pure and simple. Smart, savvy, and a comeback king. The Audible Master. Called audibles before the safety moved up to blitz because he saw it in their eyes, according to one lineman whose name I forget.

    Jimmy Mac.


    {With some provisos not mentioned here. Maybe some adverse side-affects. Please read bottle carefully for details}

  • Ok, last one for a while...

    Can someone tell me what angelo's strategy is here? Franchise tag him? Really? He deserves that? Fucken a mang.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Forte is probably worth a 4 year 40 million salary. 10 Mil a year sounds very reasonable. If they can find common ground between franchise tag, that would also be reasonable. The franchise tag is designed to allow teams to hold onto valuable players with out being bent over a barrel. I'd use the tag on him if I were GM and thought he was being unreasonable.

  • In reply to BigDaddy:

    I bet he wont sign anything less than 5 years unless he's guaranteed at least 22-24 million.

    I'm thinking 5 years, 48 million, 20 million guaranteed.

  • In reply to thebigcheese:

    Players want 4 years contracts, Teams want longer ones with cap money spread out over time.

  • In reply to BigDaddy:

    RBs want longer contracts. RBs don't get more than one contract after their rookie contract, so they have to get the most out of it. It doesn't matter if it's 4 years, or 7 years; very few running backs are going to be signed to a lucrative extension after they are 30

  • Well like they say, you dont go to war with the army you wish you had, you go to war with the army you've got. I know this team isnt the end all and be all of the NFL right now but they're improving by the week and they've got as good a chance as any to take it all. I already put money on them to win it all and to take the NFC. I'll be in Reno again this wekend and I'll be betting on my Bears to best the Lions and I may even dubble down on the Super Bowl with the odds theyre offering now.

  • Sorry Sac but I gotta say is that. We've been sayin that same bullshit for how many years? The lions were at the bottom. Now after a couple years they are arguably equal or surpassed us. Clearly Angelo and company are only set on mediocracy. We have at best a mediocre team with a mediocre style of play.

  • Agreed. It's a few very good individuals playing beside a bunch of dross that keeps us above sea-level.

  • Agree with everything except the comment about the Lions turning it around so quickly. Really? After sucking moose wang for 2 decades they get off to a good start. Not that quick. Everyone has seen them improve ever since the Millen/Marinelli experiment died. If you get high picks in the draft year after year you should show major improvement (unless pus nuts is your GM).

    Should be an interesting game.

  • It's irrational, but the NFC North picture reminds me too much of 2007 to take the Lions seriously. They started 6-2, beating some weak teams [Oakland, Chicago (twice), Tampa, Denver, Minnesota], While the Packers jumped out to 7-1, with Minnesota and Chicago already out of the race. For the first few 8-10 weeks, all the talk was about the Thanksgiving matchup between GB and DET (like it is this year). The second meeting was @ GB in week 17 (which is also the case this year). The Lions finished that year 1-7, getting beaten soundly on thanksgiving before pulling within 11 points.

    Obviously it doesn't make any sense to use 2007 as an indicator of 2011 (different QBs, completely different teams) but the remarkable symmetry is preventing me from believing that Detroit will finish.

  • Read the book and loved it... looks like the movie will be just as good. Man I love the Hunter S/Depp connection.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Ah that looks bad ass! Thanks for the link. I'm looking forward to a Hunter S Thompson movie where he still has hair.

  • Ha! he was 22 when he wrote the novel, it was based loosely on his own time in PR.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Very exciting!

  • In reply to Doc Nitty 34:

    indeed doc, indeed.

    Maths conference?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Nope. Just back to the school grind.

  • In reply to Doc Nitty 34:

    right righ right.... skool. nyce.

  • Heeeeey Jooohhhhhnnnnnnnyyyy:,0,3260085.story


  • In reply to MB30SD:

    get that milk toast pussy ass bitch empty suit Nick Roach out of there and put in my boy. PISA you son of a bitch!!! The defense just got better if they sign him...

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Whaaaat? Now that's the shit I'm talking about. LB overboard at the moment.

  • I feel like this team has not.improved on anything from last year.

  • Last year this time we should have been 1-3. The lions got jipped and the cheese committed so many turnovers we won by default. The only definitive victory we had was against the Cowboys. We were the lions last year.

  • In reply to BigDaddy:

    correction, penalties not turnovers.

  • In reply to BigDaddy:


  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Trust me , I was glad to see the Bears come out on top that time but I was holding my breath the entire game.

  • In reply to BigDaddy:

    dude, we physically beat the shit out of the Lions in that first game and fumbled 3 times in the red zone. that is the only reason the score was even close. we fucking beat the shit out of them. CHINA DEAD.

  • We can not win big games without discipline.

    29 Penalties so far this year (How many 1st and 15's have we seen year? How do you stay unpredicatable, when you put yourself in predicatable situations all the time?).

    Safeties reguarly out of position, D-Lineman with no gap integrity, cheetah flips into the end zone, dropped balls, missed tackles, bad play-calling.

    Fuck. I wish I could get 5 minutes with these assholes to let them know how good they could be.

  • In reply to Viva:

    THAT'S what I like to see!

    A little fire from the usually calm and collected Marine!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Yep, they need some Lee R. Ermey in that locker room, not LDL Gump.

  • Interesting:

    (In my potentially misplaced yet on-going effort to help diversify the environment in here away from just fb)

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Disgusting. Sour beer is beer that is slowly going bad. It has no place in the beer world and should be banished to the far corners of the earth.
    At the West Coast Brew Fest some gal gave me a sample of a Belgian White... I almost slapped her. Worst tasting thing I've ever had!

  • +1. That and fruity beer. Piss on it.

  • you're welcome Sac.

    I've never tasted, but I thought it might stoke some interest. Let's not be so provincial... taste is obviously subjective.

    I see you up there doc. you too! for shame.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I'm a fan of the Arrogant Bastard, MB. I think you know what their motto is. But for those who don't, I will share it with you.

    "This is an aggressive beer. You probably won’t like it. It is quite doubtful that you have the taste or sophistication to be able to appreciate an ale of this quality and depth. We would suggest you stick so safer and more familiar territory – maybe something with a multi-million dollar ad campaign aimed at convincing you it’s made in a little brewery, or one that implies that their tasteless fizzy yellow beer will give you more sex appeal. Perhaps you think multi-million dollar ad campaigns make a beer taste better. Perhaps you’re mouthing your words as you read this."

    If per chance you ARE worthy, I direct you to

    Good Day, Sir.

  • In reply to Doc Nitty 34:

    oh please my good man from far up north.

    Riddle me two puzzles:

    1. Who is the parent brewery of Arrogant?

    2. Where is said parent brewery found?

    I shall say no more. And a good day to YOU sir!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Stone Brewing Company - Escondido CA

    Oh, very tasty stuff. I'm a hoppy IPA type person, but I like all beers - except Budwieser.

  • In reply to MichBearFan:

    exactly Mich

  • Whhhhaaaat? I love a strong IPA or a smoked Porter but I really enjoy Belgian Trippels too. As with beer as it is in life, it's all in the variety.
    My favorite of all time is still probably Boulevard Unfiltered Wheat.

  • I won't say this much but I whole heartedly agree with big cheese on the cutler and romo comparison.

    Sigh... I wish cutler and this whole organization will wake the Fuck up.

  • As I recall YOU were one of the ones first off the Cutler Wagon after the loss to GB in the playoffs. (I believe I quote) "He's a pussy."

    thebigcheese's comparison makes next to NO sense. It's much the same as comparing Tom Brady in his early career to Aaron Rodgers. Asinine.

    -Cutler has NEVER choked away a game that the Bears had within their control.
    -When he was in Denver(And actually had an offense that compared to The Cowboys) he put up numbers much better than Romo's.
    -He has been to the Playoffs ONE TIME. He was 1-1 after being INJURED in the one loss-which is hard to even call it a loss for him since he didn't play the second half.
    -We don't even have to touch on personality and leadership skills do we? That would be a sad waste of time.
    -Oh yeah and Romo showed last year that he couldn't take even CLOSE to the same beating Cutler can.

    There are actually significantly more differences than there are similarities.

  • In reply to A7Xthebest:

    Please stop it. Lol tired of all the bullshit cutler excuses that go on around this fucking place. Wake the fuck up.

  • In reply to A7Xthebest:

    Romo can't win with the sick list of talent he had over the last couple of years. Cutler got us to the NFC Championship game with Hester as a starting receiver. I will leave it at that. Dude, we got boners when a journeyman 5th WR made catches and DA fucking was average. He made our other receivers look like kick returners playing WR.

    Give Cutler some time in the pocket, a balanced offense and a snickers bar once in a while and we go to the dance.

  • In reply to Gucci Mang:

    But he's inaccurate *with* time in the pocket. He only seems to be really accurate when he's bootlegging. Didn't he have an average rating over 100 when he was throwing on a scramble?

  • Cutler in Denver 2007-2008: 63% completion; 250 yds/game, 45 TDs, 32 INT. 87.0 passer rating.

    Romo in Dallas 2007-2009: 63% completion, 270 yards/game, 88TD, 42 INT. 95.2 passer rating.

    "Much better than romo's" No, worse actually. Same ballpark? Yeah, Ok.

    Romo broke his right clavicle last year. You can't even pick stuff up let alone throw a football. Yeah it was overhyped, but he did play with a fractured rib and punctured lung. I'm not getting on Jay for coming out of the NFCCG, but how can you say that Romo is any less tough?

    Cutler has NEVER choked away a game? Bears @ 49ers in 2009. Redskins @ Bears in 2010. Maybe those aren't historic as what Romo did on sunday, but he still threw both of those games away on his own. And even in the two games Romo blew this year, he played fantastic in the 1st half. Jay was miserable for the game's entirety against SF and WASH.

    You're not going to credit Cutler with the loss in the NFCCG because he didn't play the second half? His exit was the only chance the Bears had. Cutler was awful in that first half, from his first throw to his last. He played great against Seattle, but he was awful against GB.

  • In reply to thebigcheese:

    have to agree with all of it, except the NFCCCG game... we still almost beat you with a wide-eyed caleb hanie.

    If not for that fat bastard raji we may have pulled it off with our 3rd stringer mang.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    That's essentially my point; Caleb Hanie's play in the second half, in the same game, with the same supporting case was a damning indictment of Cutler's play in the first half. Cutler is obviously twice the QB Hanie is, but not on that day. Cutler did not come to play.

  • In reply to thebigcheese:

    iiiiiiii don't know about that. Hanie didn't have to suffer through 16 weeks of beatdown either.

    Maybe you're right about cutty that day, but he is a tough somebitch.

  • forte is the key. rather, martz's adherence to the run game is key. don't give up one it. even if the lions thrash our secondary. trust the defense and special teams to make up the difference. grind it out, mike. grind it out.

  • Yeah... pretty much...

  • It's not excuses when it is reality. Everything he said is true. Cutler has not ever given up a 20 point lead with the Bears. Romo single handedly gave that game away... not to mention the season opener against the Jets. Cutler's pick's are usually when trying to make something happen, more often than not due to the fact that if he didn't try we would have no chance to score on offense with our weak "skill" players. Romo has had a better line and far superior weapons and the only fair comparison in that regard would be to when Cutler had a line and receivers in Denver. I don't remember Cutler ever botching a game tying extra point snap or shitting his pants so blatantly during game time as Romo has repeatedly done. Cutler hasn't played well and has made far too many mistakes but I would gladly take him over Romo any day. I don't think there is a quarterback in the league that could have survived what Cutler lived through last year, let alone get his team to the NFCCG with our receivers and line. No chance we win the Eagles or Jets games from last year without Cutler and his risk taking...

  • In reply to Babootycall:

    I certainly agree about having cutty over romo.

    So... who's got the hotter chick?

    (since it seems cutty's back together with realityshow)

  • Whatever guys. I'll let you dudes still live the fantasy that Jay Cutler is a elite great QB, and that soon he will turn it all around. The guy is average at best. We've been fed mediocracy so much that we now tend to think the mediocre are the greats.

  • i wish i had a computer program that could place Tom Brady into the Bears pocket all of last year to see him be reduced to a pile of dogshit being taken away on a stretcher.

    I can't stand comparisons of QB's with awesome talent and scheme around them to our QB with our dudes around them.

  • In reply to Gucci Mang:

    Let's not forget Brady threw 4 INTS against the Bills either. Cutty is definitely better this year than he was before, in fairness to him. All QBs overthrow people. He had a lot of dropped balls recently. And he's never thrown six in a game ;like Peyton Manning has.

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    I personally think the new era is upon us.

    Manning... done. He'll come back next year, but he's done.

    Brady... billionaire with supermodel wife... done.

    It's rodgers, Brees', maybe even rivers time now.

  • And this team is not better than last years. We have gone backwards this offseason. It will only get worst. It can never get better with the personnel we have in place. Coaches, staff, and some players.

  • Ill always be behind this team, but I'm also not as blind as some of you. I call 8-8 or 7-9 season.

  • I never said Cutler was elite. And I definitely disagree that he is "average". I think he is in the second tier of quarterbacks which would put him above average, You put an "average" QB behind this line and he is dead... as in not living. Orton is average. If you think he would have made it past 4 games last year with our line you are very mistaken. I agree with you on pretty much everything else. I'm not feeling great vibes with this team and mindblowing front office and coaching staff. That can all change though if we pull an Atlanta performance out of our ass in Detroit and win on MNF. Personally I don't see how the offense can get any worse (line included) so I'm hoping the arrow is pointing up...

  • I'd call it 8-8 based on everything staying the same .....

  • I just don't get how pissy everyone is after a 2-2 start where we lost to the two best teams in the league. Guys, it's a long season. Management sucks. I agree. But hasn't it always. Let's just reserve our venom for when we're out of the race. Such a fucking downer, Fresno. C'mon man!

  • In reply to Doc Nitty 34:

    Fres, must be on the wagon this year. he's all pissy and we haven't seen many posts like this:

    wassssszups you muthafckn bizznotchs!!! STR8 CHILLIN GETN WRCKD ON KRONIC YALL!!! Culeter is a straigh t pussi.......

  • In reply to Gucci Mang:

    hee heee

  • In reply to Doc Nitty 34:

    +1 Doc. It's way too early to be flying so low. We have gotten over far uglier starts and we may this time too. Four games in last year, and it looked like the wheels were coming completely off. They didn't. The team started getting it's shit together (coaches and players) and started to play like a team in the NFL. Yeah, we had great injury luck, but that wasn't all was it? This team started to play some pretty darned good football for a while there.

    Are we as good a team as last year? I dunno. Remains to be seen.

    So I'm not willing to give up on them just yet, or ever really. Maybe when we are mathematically eliminated from any chance of a playoff birth we can start talking up the positives of the end of Angelo and Lovie's tenure here.

    Until then I will try to remain unaffected by the occasional Debbie Downer, whether they are from Fresno or Thailand.

  • In reply to MikeV in OR:

    hee hee

  • By the way, numbers shnumbers. Romo can't even hold Cavillari's jock, let alone Cutlers. Please.

  • In reply to Doc Nitty 34:

    Wait a minute, I thought you were a numbers guy?

    "Statistics can be used to prove anything Kent, 98% of people know that."

  • In reply to Shady:

  • In reply to Shady:

    73.8% of all statistics are made up on the spot 43% of the time.

  • Doc. I just always have high expectations for this team. When they are not met, I go through a reality check. My bad if I spreaded to much negativity, and I'm not on everyone else's boat. I just don't feel this team has improved at all. I see the same bullshit from last year but worst. I'm not talkin shit so much on the players. I love the players. I mostly think Lovie, and some are holding this team back from their full potential. Martz runs an offense that I not designed for our players or our weather. Lovies D scheme is oudated and to dam conservative. We have no unique backups to look forward to, because Angelo sucks donkey dick when he drafts. Angelo is always drafts for now, and now rookies don't work. He can't groom players that fast and it turns to bust. Angelo needs to draft future. Cutler shell shocked from abuse and honestly look fucking fedup with the staff. WR suck, always will and always have. Oline enuff said. Hmmm what else. I fucking fed up with mediocracy.

  • Holy shit on the grammar. I'm at work typing this shit from my work. U know how phones can be.

  • From my PHONE*

  • I'd agree with all of that Fresnuts. In fact the only thing I was going to point out was that Spread is an irregular verb, but you beat me to it down below. Gold star and take a sweet.

  • this game will twist and turn on the play of both O lines
    the line who holds up over 4 qtrs is going to get the game ball
    turn on HBO and watch the beatle Georges story
    in the way scorcese sees it

  • In reply to huntinbare:

    Whats up and the hey now? Beatles story ? George? Linky links? Namey namey downloady downloady?

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    man I hate the beatles. No, hate is too strong. I just don't like most of their music. Yes I know who they were and what they did... just don't like it. sorry.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Hate is never too strong of a word when discussing the Beatles. Worst boy band of all time.

  • cool huh?

  • thebigcheese at first I took you for not being simply argumentative against the Bears QB but now I see that you actually are.

    You INCLUDED Cutler's first year as a starter and DISCARDED Romo's? Not that it would have made a huge difference but it's telling.

    While you're on the subject, how can Cutler choke the Washington game or the 49ers game away when we never even lead in those games? You take the two worst regular season games of his career and call them "Choking the game away." (Interestingly, neither of those games mattered to the team in either of those seasons)
    I suppose Tom Brady "Choked" that game against Buffalo away?

    Fresno, you ask everyone else to wake up, but come on man, who really needs to wake up?

    Either: Cutler is a good Quarterback who doesn't get the help he needs.
    Or: Cutler gets the help he needs but simply CAN'T perform.

    Simple as that.
    Given that our 2 previous starting Quarterbacks(BOTH of whom were given better supporting casts when they were here) are current NFL starters and one of them looks like he will lead his team to the Division title, I am going with the former option.

  • In reply to A7Xthebest:

    Actually I just went with 2007, because that's the first year that they played a full 16 games. And I went until 2008 because that's the last year Cutler was in Denver, and I went until 2009 for Romo because 2010 he missed most of the year. I thought about just going until 2008 for Romo, but he also missed games that year.

  • In reply to A7Xthebest:

    The only reason the bears never had the lead against San Francisco was because Cutler was choking from start to finish. I don't get how that is somehow more forgivable than playing well all game and blowing a big lead.

    And the Bears did have a small lead at half time against Washington, until Jay threw it to DeAngelo Hall four times during Chicago's final six drives. Four picks in six drives. To the same player. Cutler is a good quarterback, but he has his games where he just plain sucks.

    If those aren't examples of choke jobs, then I'm not really sure we agree on the definition. You're right, Cutler has never blown a 20+ point lead. Virtually nobody has. It's unheard of. Does that mean Tony Romo is worse than every quarterback who has never choked that hard in a game? Hardly.

    His debut for the Bears was also a 4 interception masterpiece in which Green Bay beat Chicago by 6 points in the final minute.

  • In reply to thebigcheese:

    was that the one when Cutler drove us down the length of the field in the 4th qtr to put us ahead with 2 minutes left when we kicked a field goal and then the defense pissed it away? i knew we shouldn't have put Cutler at safety, what a pussy. He can't even cover Jennings.

  • In reply to Gucci Mang:

    He also threw an interception on the final drive to end the game.

    Anyhow, I didn't consider that game to be a full on chokejob.

  • In reply to thebigcheese:

    Okay, you're right: Our definitions are different. For you, having a bad game is choking.
    So I'm glad to hear you admit that Aaron Rodgers choked in the NFC Championship game where after building a 14 point lead and being on the field for 35 mins of the game couldn't close the game out and threw a TERRIBLE interception STRAIGHT to Brian Urlacher smack-dab in the middle of the Red Zone. Good thing his Defense bailed him out by pick-sixing a third-string QB or he would be known as a worse choke than Romo considering how he coughed up the ball on the final play of the playoff game the year before that.

    (BTWs, Examples of QBs to blow 20+ point leads currently playing: Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Eli Manning, Tony Romo, Michael Vick. Those are just the ones I can name off the top of my head)

    Another thing worth mentioning, all of these so-called "Chokes" you like to bring up occurred with Cutler behind the worst Offensive line in football and in his FIRST year in the system in which he was playing.

    But hey, not all QBs can sit behind HOFers and walk into the best receiving core in the league behind solid linemen learning the same system for years with a top 10 defense at their back.

  • In reply to A7Xthebest:

    wow... look at you! Welcome A7.

  • In reply to A7Xthebest:

    Aaron Rodgers throw to Urlacher was choke-tastic. He played very poor ever since that ball bounced off driver's foot and landed in Briggs' lap. If the Packers would have lost that game, yeah, it would have been a huge choke job from the entire team. It would have been the worst loss of all time.

    As a matter of fact, dating back to the wildcard game in January, the Packers have come awfully close to choking away 3 of 4 playoff games, and a couple games this season.

  • In reply to A7Xthebest:

    Didn't Troy Aikman go 2-14 his first year?

    I've seen Cutler 35 times now. He's my boy and he's our QB (but not in a Rex pussy way). He does make piss poor decisions, and he isn't accurate. For some reason he's stopped scrambling, he should be using it as a weapon like Vick or Newton, but it's like he's just decided not to run anymore. Fuck Mike Martz if he's told him to stop it. You don't tell a horse to stop being a horse and be a duck instead. IF I was Cutler I'd have a look-see at the Defense, and if I think I'm going to get creamed I'd take the snap and just run into space and then see what's available to me. Fuck MM's 'built-in audibles'. Run Forrest Run.

    It ain't all about the receivers or line either. We've seen him stand in there for 6 seconds - as happens quite frequently - and just fire that thing into oblivion, no man's land between three defenders and think to ourselves - WTF? Really Jay? Forte was ten feet away in a world of space, you couldn't just flick him the ball instead? I get that it's a 'vertical' offense, but fk me pink sometimes.

    No doubt he's missing a jump-ball guy like Marshall. We should be using Kellen for that kind of thing. When you're 6'7 .... something about 'being open' and 'always' .......

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    You did see the catch and run, over, between and through, three defenders last week by Davis?

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    More of it Mike, he should be like a go-to guy because the receivers are just too small or dropping it like Roy. If he can't block, then let's just put it up there for him.

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    Absolutely, if the o-line starts providing consistent protection, Davis should be every bit the zone-breaker Tight End that other teams are utilizing.

  • Bottom line - all the angst at this point, after two losses to what are widely agreed to be the two hottest teams in the league the season, just seems a tad bit premature. We have issues - every team in the league does. But there are reasons for optimism that are getting lost in all the bellyaching:
    1) the offensive line has shown signs of growth since the first two games in both phases;
    2) the secondary is getting OTJ experience that is building depth at safety (the hard way)
    3) our special teams is still the class of the league

    If we come out of Detroit with a W, that is a definite momentum builder for us and throws a little cold water on the premature celebration going on in Motown. 4-0, hell 6-0, can disappear real quick. Just ask the Broncos.

  • If you guys want to go a decade without a winning season and a cumulative 121 losses and 39 wins to be in the same position as this years Lions, be my guest. Frankly, I think anyone who is drooling over them is bonkers.

    It's relatively easy to accumulate a handful of top tier offensive talents when you have record-breaking losing streaks season after season. That's the way the system is supposed to work. That didn't take any genius on the part of the Lions. The far more impressive front office is the Patriots because they make something out of nothing year after year. Notice, it ain't like the Lions roster is full of stand-out talent from the later rounds. And frankly, if you look at the top ten draft picks that they shit the bed on, despite the number of them that they accumulated by setting league records for futility, it doesn't make you go, wow, that's a model way to turn around a franchise. Otherwise they would have been remotely close to competitive once or twice in the last ten years. They haven't. They are still extraordinarily thin at every key position, including the backups to their D-line starters. And gimme a break with the bullshit about Burleson being "better than any of our wide receivers", which is just whiney-ass wishful thinking (have you actually watched the guy? Who do you think is covering him when Megatron is drawing triple and quadruple coverage?).

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    IThe Lions are 4-0! They're on an upward curve, good for them. Our roster isn't full of any talent from any round - not that Angelo's drafted. Are Hester and Knox better than Burleson? No. He's not AJ or CJ but he's better than them. They can't run routes to save their lives. I'm glad Devin is on our roster because of what he does on ST, but right now we have no receivers that Bennett isn't playing. It's not 'whining it's a fact. And how come whenever somebody else knocks our receivers it's never whining Mike ? Stop being my fucking shadow and share it out.

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    You just provided a decent quote - don't get all wounded.
    Their wide receiver groups is shallow. Burleson is a mediocre and injury prone wide receiver that benefits from CJ drawing constant double and triple coverage. You are certainly not the only one who has consistently bashed Knox, undeservedly in my opinion. Their numbers last year aren't even close - Knox's YPC is nearly double that of Burleson. If anything, he compares to Hester statistically, without the special teams impact.

    I have no idea why you're cheering the Lions for 4 wins versus meh competition. The bandwagon certainly has room for another rider.

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    Irish here's the stats this year. Rec/YDS/AVG;

    Burleson 16/181/11.3
    Hester 7/139/19.9
    Knox 12/237/19.8

    None of them have a TD. As usual you discount anything Knox and Hester do at WR because they aren't elite. We get that. It doesn't mean they aren't capable.

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    ooohhhhh... a little testy for once. I like to see that, makes you more human Irish.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Saying "we're great we'll get better" doesn't make anyone a 'better' fan. It makes them a homer. Calling it like it is doesn't make anyone a bad fan either. Peppers, Urlacher andf Briggs are close to the end of their careers and we have to win the SB this year or it doesn't happen for another 25 years or until all the McCaskeys and their spawn die off somehow. This is where we come to vent on the clusterfuck that is the Bears Franchise and the irony that you whine on about our whining seems lost on you. You speak your mind on the Bears and we'll speak ours Mike, but making it personal doesn't help anybody and nobody picks up on that.

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    Irish, I don't think MBP is getting personal, he's just firing back. Hey, we all like each other as posters but let's be honest, you go to extremes to make your points. Sometimes some of us feel you are way off base and send a shot across your bow. Nothing more than that.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    No, it is personal man, he's my own personal shadow in here. If you hasd somebody punctuating your posts all the time and getting in snide remarks on top of that, you'd understand. I don't get personal with all the kool-aiders, everyone's entitled to their opinion.

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    I suppose I should just respond to those I agree with.

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    I fail to see where those posts were a) personal attacks on you, and b) responses directly to you at all.
    I'm entitled to respond to comments that I think are wrong and you happen comment quite a bit and most of them are pretty goofy and/or overly chicken little-ish about every game.
    I prefer to watch the season with some anticipation of success while trying to realistically evaluate what we're doing well. If you think all my comments are homerish, I don't think you read them very closely.

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    You have no idea what a CF franchise is.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Indeed. CF franchises:

    - CIN
    - OAK
    - DET (no, this season hasn't proved anything yet)
    - CLE
    - BUF

    Mini-CF franchises that have some hope of a good season now and then, and may even pull out of their funk:

    - HOU (yet to even make playoffs in its 10 year existence)
    - JAC
    - SF
    - KC
    - SEA
    - STL
    - ARI
    - MIA

    On-the-fence of diving into CF territory, but not yet CF franchises:

    - DEN
    - TEN
    - IND
    - DAL
    - MIN
    - WAS* (appears to have recovered?)

    The Bears are better off than everyone in the first 2 groups, and arguably everyone in the 3rd group as well. That's a full 19/31 teams that are clearly in 1) a more disastrous management situation, or 2) are struggling with toxic or massive rebuilding environments.

    Seriously, get it together man. Obviously the franchise is nowhere close to where we want it to be, but a little dose of perspective is warranted. The Lions go on a 4 game winning streak and you're ready to call all their organizational and personnel problems solved? This ain't a clusterfuck -- I know a CF when I see one.

  • In reply to Michael L:

    your definitions are a bit confusing mike. But I would put us somewhere in the last group.

    You have to take history into account as well don't you? What we were... what we should be... what we're supposed to be?

    If you're a seahawks fan you have no real history to pull from, no greatness, nothing special in your past. I think that’s where I get into trouble. Besides the packers, we ARE americal pro football. We SHOULD be a perennial powerhouse, or at least contending every year. We have fielded one if not the greatest pro football teams of all time Mike.

    We. Deserve. Better… than jerry angelo and lovie smith. Period.

    That’s where I personally get stuck. If I was a browns fan I'd pretty much take what I could get.

    (and please don’t give me the stats on NFC Champeenships, playoff berths, and the ‘06 SB trip. We didn’t finish any of those. Coffee is for closers mike.)

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I don't think Angelo has done a bang-up job, but look at it this way: even the Patriots have hit a dry spot in the three years. And they stockpile picks like nobody else without ever hitting bottom, which I think is a bigger indictment of Angelo than the fact we lost the NFC championship game last year. Our roster is getting sapped by its own mediocre-to-above average success in the last few years. The big supplements of talent have been via free agency (and there have been more misses than hits, of that there is no doubt).
    Hey, we're not Philly and they broke the freaking bank for that trainwreck of a season.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I think that's an interesting point to ponder MBP... has the constant status quo of mediocrity kept us from getting better through more and lower draft picks.

    The problem is squarely on the GM who 1) would piss away those lower/additional picks regardless, and 2) he cannot even make good with the picks he does get, and 3) isn't good/intelligent/wily enough to acquire more/better picks through strateegery and subterfuge... unless you consider the clusterfuck with the 9ers and the ravens subterfuge.

    I don’t know man, it’s a futile argument I understand… but the fact remains that Jerry Angelo is dooming this club to the playoffs every 3-5 years and a SB shot once in a wish. Just enough to save his job and keep us on-par with the Denver broncos and Tennessee titans (a fucking expansion team!) of the NFL.

  • In reply to Michael L:

    "The Lions go on a 4 game winning streak and you're ready to call all their organizational and personnel problems solved?"

    Firstly, I didn't say that or even imply anything close to it.

    You know a CF franchise when you see one? You listed the following teams as CFs :

    Oakland : 3 superbowl wins. I do believe that's two more than we have, which makes us Super-CF by your own definition.

    Buffalo Bills : Went to the superbowl 4 years in a row! No rings, but that's being best in your conference four years in a row, now that's putting a roster together. The only roster we ever put together was put together by Jim Finks, and the McCaskeys tore it to pieces in two seasons. Good CF company.

    Cincinatti have made it to as many superbowls as we have.

    Cleveland, only 8 championships, so yes they're a worse franchise than us.

    Second Group :

    STL and KC have as many superbowls as we have, so if you don't have us in Gp 1 we should be at least in Gp 2.

    San Francisco? SAN FRANCISCO ?? They have FIVE Lombardis. I rest my case.

    Third group :

    The Redskins? Only three Lombardis, I guess they suck too. Two more than us, and we still don't qualify for the third group?

    The Colts? Two Lombardis.

    Dallas? FIVE Lombardis.

    Minnesota. I'll give you Minnesota.

    But saying we're better off than two teams that have won FIVE superbowls EACH and another two teams that have won THREE. How do you figure that? How else do teams get measured through the ages? By how great their fans are or how good the Pizza is ?

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    Pizza, obviously.
    How many historical Super Bowls do we get to blame on the current brain-trust?
    And shouldn't we include pre-Super Bowl championships?

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Not to speak for Michael, but I'm pretty sure he's looking at recent history as a measure of the current health of an organization, not comparing rings from the 1970's.
    I don't see how they are all that pertinent as a measure of most clubs once you get outside of a certain time-frame, say the average career life-span of an NFL GM.
    If you want to use rings, not Lombardis, then the Bears are in second place and the Browns are in third. I think it's kind of silly do it that way for several reasons, but it's at least as equitable as comparing Super Bowls.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    so where would you put us MBP?

    I had a bit of trouble placing us in the right bucket based on mike's top of mind definitions... which I have no doubt he'd be able to excellently expand on if given the space.

    Personally, I get hung up on who we are and should be... maybe that's just ridiculous of me to do, and I'm sure there are plenty of very good arguments why it is silly of me. But I'm still left with the feeling that we're the fucking Chicago Staley Bears and we deserve better than we've had with Jerry Angelo, no matter what or peers have done.

    I am an arrogant bastard (see how I did that doc?) elitist asshole in real life so maybe it’s just that?

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    our peers

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    +1 big time

  • Is the return of "The Leaning Tower" imminent?,0,3260085.story

  • Ugh, this comment code. still. sucks.

    MB30 - I think that's a good question; I think if I was going off of:
    1) recent success (win-loss, playoff appearances, depth of playoff appearances)
    2) current personnel situations
    3) coaching stability
    4) ownership stability
    then we're definitely not at the bottom of the barrel. Some of the teams he listed fail badly in more than one category, which I think indicates a danger zone where the problems feed into each other and make a reversal more difficult.

    The past six seasons have been relatively successful as far as things go. We probably would have been better off with a tanked season in 2007 to re-stockpile talent, since we finished at the bottom of the NFC North but not bad enough to get a high pick.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    but that's the issue MBP, if we were to stock-pile picks, would Angelo just get more le favors and add to our white safety fund while totally disregarding our most glaring (oline, real safety, and WR) problems? I think so.

    THAT is the issue. Just bad enough to keep his job and keep us in winning seasons not to get the house cleaned. BUT, that will come to an end soon I think, because most of our best stars (many BA... before angelo) are getting too old. The one thing about the lions and packer teams are that they are both pretty damn young in many places.

    We do need to start rebuilding now... even though in reality this should have already been well underway. I don’t trust the McCaskey’s to bring in the right replacement for Angelo, but at least it would provide hope for a real rebuilding… when a rebuilding is inevitable in the next 1-2 years. Basically, I’d take my chances on someone else who either is a proven strong GM or has the possibility to be one, over what we know is a POS.

  • What in thee sam hell is going on in this place?!?! These are becoming way too common place:

    Although, I guess cantaloupe has killed more people in the last month. Maybe we should outlaw fruit?

  • Bears are a 5 1/2 pt underdogs on Monday night. I'll be placing my bet in t-minus 52 hours

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