DaBearsBlog Weekend Show! Packer Week Edition!

DaBearsBlog Weekend Show!  Packer Week Edition!


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The Brothers:  Jon (4-1-1), Jeff (3-3), Chris (3-3)

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  • would being first mean that i am looking at a change in the winds of fortune
    if so i say the bears rule the day then
    good morning

  • In reply to huntinbare:

    Not Haiku, yet still beautiful.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    i got your haiku

    from a.w. watts...the way of zen p. 187

    Leaves falling
    Lie on one another;
    The rain beats the rain.

  • I am going ahead and starting the Chargers D in FF. 14 and a half, holy cow. Chiefs and Colts are the doormats now, I guess, and San Diego is chipped about that loss to the Patties.

  • Trib Tice Talk Tells Tackle Tale

    Spencer at RG and Louis at RT?
    Omlettes available on sideline

  • In reply to gpldan:

    i read in the sun times that omlette is expecting to be the main course

    he doesn't want to be considered an a la carte add on for a hungry bear faithful

    recievers coach Dbl D. used the word blind to describe himself
    we don't need ray charles telling devon, roy, knocks.and pour me a beer; on how to get open do we?
    course if they could play like ray and excite the stadium like he could.... that's gonna be all good

    every position coach I have read quotes from guarantee better performances
    does this qualify for a confident outlook to your sunday trip?
    at this point i will hang my blue monkety hat on any ray of sunshine..
    I hope venerable delivers his first packer--- bone shivering hit...if he is in we should have put the game away, right?

    oh the dreaded blue monkey suit is staring at me
    he is starting to annoy me, but it is late
    and ...for all you romantics out there

    tha male must go through

  • No Packer Dance diddy Jeff? Damn it, I've been waiting all year for that wonderful shit!

  • I hope Martz has Forte as your featured player this week. By the time the Pack is done teeing off on your o line he'll be snapping the ball to himself. Make the appointments with your therapists for Monday, you are going to need 'em.

  • In reply to phrozentundra:

    You posted this at 8am Wisconsin time. Holy shit, the sun has already been up for an hour! What are you doing on the internet, get back to work, those cows don't milk themselves.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    hogs GP... the HOGS don't milk themselves.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I guess he got through with his sister about 7, and they were already tired anyway cos their kid had been up since 5.

  • More vaudeville!

  • I've taken myself out of the picks contest - I just default to the Bears every week anyway, and I don't follow the other teams enough to warrant cyber-space. Heh.

    Though it's over now, I was intrigued by the "Watching the Bears" contest a couple of threads back, and yeah, I thought GPL ran that one back outta the endzone, too.

    Since it's Packer week, after giving this some thought, I decided to share mine for no reason whatsoever, other than to put it in words. Here goes.....

    I grew up in the midwest, in a neighborhood that was by any measure a dangerous one, 24/7. We didn't have gangs with guns back then, but I lived in the heart of poverty and violence with my mother and 2 brothers. Our father had bolted early. Nonetheless, there were a few boys my age (8) around, and one of them actually had both parents, hard workers who owned a couple of small blue-collar businesses.

    They also had TV, which was a big, big deal in my neighborhood. Their son, my age, and I hung out together constantly, mostly I suppose for safety reasons, but we were boys being boys anyway, and played our share of whiffle ball, tackle football (in the street - to hell with that backyard grass shit), basketball, etc.

    One late fall Sunday in 1965, I was invited to come to dinner at around 1:00, then watch football with my buddy and his dad. This was a major deal to me, as usually, they buttoned up in the house for the afternoon and my friend didn't come out until the game was over. I had always wondered what all of it was about.

    Maybe it was because father figures were as rare as full refridgerators and new clothes for school, I don't know. But for whatever reasons, I had been brought over to watch the game wherein at least two decisions were going to be made - one by me, and one subsequently about me, all orchestrated by my friend's dad (who one day would also set me up with my first car), and with whom I hadn't exchanged ten whole words in my entire life.

    It was Packers week. The game was on TV - we were in Illinois, and Bears and/or Packers games were televised whenever possible. I knew next to nothing about either of them except that Roy, my friend, pretended to be Dick Butkus all the time.

    My buddy and I sprawled on the floor in front of the old TV after dinner, his dad sitting in his big chair angled to the screen, smoking Lucky Strike after Lucky Strike and drinking his PBR's.

    It was magical and overwhelming to me, to be there with a family - the men of the family - watching a man's sport with the smell of beer and tobacco in the air, the more than occasional "Kill Him!" being yelled by son or father during various plays, and the extraordinary thrill of watching men who clearly despised each other hit without mercy. Gale Sayers. Dick Butckus. Mike Ditka. Mike Pyle. Doug Atkins. Dick Gordon. Rudy Bukich. George Halas. Names I had heard briefly as I walked past lunch counters, or in stores downtown. There they were now, right in front of me, clashing, drawing blood, running in what seemed random patterns around a field trying to really hurt - not just pretend hurt - those guys in the yellow helmets.

    I was in sensory overload...here I was, a guest in the inner sanctum of Roy and his dad's house, the lights off to help the contrast of the old TV, shades drawn, smoke in the air, and it was intoxicating to an 8 year old boy who had no idea what a father was really, except that everyone else seemed to have one. And we were doing their favorite, father/son only thing, the one thing they did together every Fall and Winter - watch the Bears.

    Sometime during the game - maybe it was halftime, I don't remember, Roy's dad looked at me, and in that raspy, cigarette laden voice, said, "So, who do you want to win?" Ack! A question! God, I didn't want to get this wrong - maybe they'd never invite me back! I'm sure the panic was all over my face, but neither Roy nor his dad let on, both looking at me now waiting on my answer. It felt like an hour went by like that, but I heard myself say, "The Bears! That other team's yellow!" And though I wasn't sure what was funny about that, they both laughed loudly, and Roy's dad said something very close to this, but I can't remember the exact quote: "Good. You can be one of two things in life - a Bears fan, or a Packers fan. Now, I don't want to hear that next week you've changed your mind. Bears fans don't quit, not ever. Hear me?"

    The Bears did win that day, and Roy and I got ice cream brought to us in the living room by his mom because they did.

    That game changed, in some ways, the trajectory of my life. I never did "quit" on the Bears, and never will. Since then, I've been to games at Soldier Field where I sat on the 50 yard line, 1st row behind the Bears bench. I've sat in the press box to cover a Bears/Packers game (oh so many years ago), and now I'm an annual Sunday Ticket subscriber so I can watch them every week.

    I live on a farm now, in the middle of nowhere, as I have most of my adult life. I never see or hear from Roy, and haven't for decades. My eldest daughter and her husband are both Bears fans living and working in Chicago, and we get together up there once a year for a game, and those are some great times.

    But nothing will ever matter as much to me as that very first game, laying on my stomach in an old run down living room in the dark, up close to an old TV, head propped up in my hands, my best friend next to me, his dad above us both, strong, hard working, and loyal to the end.

  • In reply to Sdwat52:

    Awesome story. Reminds me of watching Payton and the 80's teams when i was a kid.

  • Thanks Coach. Funny, I loved Sayers, but Payton sure ran away with it, didn't he?

  • In reply to Sdwat52:

    Got chills. Thanks, Sdwat...you guys make this blog special.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I still do, when I think about that day. Such an otherwise innocuous event, and yet...

  • In reply to Sdwat52:

    nice story S, thanks for sharing.

    Hope all's well with the fam and the farm and the biz.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Thanks man - all's well on all 3 fronts - watched with amusement your exchanges with Doc over Aunt Flo coming to visit...that was some funny shit.

  • In reply to Sdwat52:

    Great story, I could smell the beer and smoke, see the street in front of the house with a 64 Impala sitting there.


  • In reply to gpldan:

    In my mind, it looked more like this GP: http://www.celebritycarz.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/img0051ld4.jpg

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Ah yes, the SEVENTY four Impala.

    Preferred ride of pimps everywhere. And Devin Hester, who never did anything wrong as a Hurricane.


  • In reply to gpldan:

    I'm going to buy one tomorrow.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Think Cadilla ElDorado's with curb feelers, and you'd be closer....saw LOTS of those in the day.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Wow....the '64 Impala...talk about eerie. Later, teen years, same neighborhood, one of Roy and my buddies got one whose battery wouldn't last a month, so we routinely stole batteries from parked cars on other streets so we could go cruising.

    Heh! Good catch.

  • In reply to Sdwat52:

    Sounds like the neighborhood in Detroit that I was born in.
    Get your hubcaps stolen on Friday, buy them back on the corner on Monday.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    In the 1960s and 70s within Chicago, that place was the now defunct Maxwell street.

    Last seen in it's proper glory in the movie The Blues Brothers, Maxwell was a street bazaar worthy of Hong Kong.

  • In reply to Sdwat52:

    What a great story SD... thank you for sharing.

    Although it doesn't come close to your situation, I feel much the same way about my introduction to the Bears. I had both of my parents, but being first generation immigrants (and to boot my dad losing his dad at age 1) my dad was pretty traditional and could be considered for most of my childhood "absent"... Well other than for beatdowns. Suffice it to say, generally any attention was to be feared not desired.

    Football however, and specifically the Bears, was the one good memory I have growing up of sharing time with him. For me it was McMahon, Payton, the Fridge, Dent, McMichael, Hampton, Suhey, Ditka, etc... Despite being born and growing up in the US, being a funny looking Asian kid in Crackerville, USA meant I never fit in all that well with the other kids for quite a number of years. A whole world was opened up to me by being "shown" football and these mystical Bears by this Dad that otherwise I had never really known at all.

    He never gave me the "in for life" or the "there are Bears fans and there are Packers fans" speeches like you got, but the experience of watching those games has stuck with me the rest of my life. (I left home when I was 13 -- that's another story though...) Like you, I won't ever quit on the Bears because frankly they are just part of who I am.

    Thanks again for sharing...

  • In reply to Michael L:

    Good stuff, Michael. Part of who we are, indeed.

  • In reply to Sdwat52:

    cool story; It took me back to the first time I saw football on t.v. at my freind george's house. we had yet to move into that class of society.
    georges family was watching the steelers
    i too remember being very reserved in a brand new enviroment; where I wasn't sure what the rules were...

    george was the best football player growing up
    he loved the game
    he put up big numbers against the rival neighborhoods
    he reminded me of a back that penn state would want
    a greek marinaro
    but, when we got to high school his mom decided football was too violent and he couldn't play
    there were others that got scholarships that played with us...
    george went to R.O.T.C.
    then vietnam
    then the wall

    it has had a profound effect on my thoughts toward violence
    it is always good to remember george

  • In reply to Sdwat52:

    Great story. I chuckled a little at the Lucky Strikes, Pabst and "Kill 'em!".

    Butkus would approve.

  • In reply to Sdwat52:

    Sd, that is really a great story. Well lived, and well told. Beautiful, in a you have to be a Bears Fan to see it kinda way. Thank you. Very cool!

  • In reply to Sdwat52:

    Nice share man.

  • In reply to Sdwat52:

    Great story, and very nicely told. I can picture the scene in my mind. Very nice indeed.

  • Panthers

  • Bears, Niners, Raiders

  • Something I’ve been noticing that I haven’t mentioned. Have you guys seen the FanTab confidence tracker app on the right? I’ve been watching it since it was put up. Pretty interesting concept.

    Check out all the teams, the sample sizes (ours is hardly viable @ under 100), current confidence #, etc… here

    Interesting that confidence got a huge boost before this game. It’s obviously totally subjective and unscientific… I guess the only thing it really proves is that people base their football team decisions on pure subjective emotion. Anyway, just found it an interesting concept.

    Oh, and the lions confidence number is as high as the packers... man those poor bastards always just set themselves up for a crash. Hee hee.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I judge according to how the forces in life are working around this body
    I was delivering out on the cay today and my truck pulled off the road; so i couId assist a giant gopher tortoise cross the street
    he was headed to the silver bullet band leader's residence
    and i thought this would be a sign of positive force

    so I said a little prayer; and asked that the silver bullet please put that vampire Mr. Rodgers down on his back

    we'll see....vampires are tough to stop
    my budy said they beat the zombies last week on ultimate warrior

  • In reply to MB30SD:


    Check out Michael Silver's picks this week. He's gone 28-4 so far. No spreads/confidence.

  • My Picks:


  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Uh...wtf?!? Packers?!?

  • Yes. I have instituted my "Reverse Psychology / Kiss of Death" strategy for the picks.

  • Panthers, Lions, Cards.

  • Falcons, Bengals, Steelers.

    SD great story. Michael nice follow up.

    I might as well throw something out there. I started watching the Bears in the early '60's. B/W TV of course. My dad was a severe alcoholic (a quart of gin a day). Every day ended the same way with him passed out. He was a great guy but a shitty father. Anyone that grew up with an alcoholic father can relate. 90% of the time he was OK but 10% Mr. Hyde would show up. You were always on egg shells worrying about that 10%. We mostly bonded over the Bears and going fishing about once a year. I loved the guy but thank god for a mother that was a saint with a full time job. With six kids and an alcoholic husband that was more trouble than any of the kids, she had her hands full. Fortunately she loved the Bears too (and Cubs and Bulls). I got my sense of humor from my dad and everything else from my mom. Just thought I'd put in a plug for the fairer sex.

    Come on Bears, smoke those Fuckers!

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    What an eerily similar childhood. The 90% was such great times, but that damn 10% still has a lasting effect on me.

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    No doubt about that 10% Murph. To this day I will do almost anything to avoid chaos and conflict in my life.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    i like that, we need more people that think this way
    i feel comfortable enough here to just be who I am
    but, let me tell you
    I don't fit in well in real life
    people seem to be very skeptical of me and I get alot of rage
    of course I do live in the tea party capitol
    so; i am a thorn

  • In reply to huntinbare:

    It's the Bears blog community, huntin. You have to feel pretty secure to share some of the very personal stuff. It's not very often I'll bare (see how I did that?) my soul to strangers. Love this site.

  • In reply to huntinbare:

    Fit in real well here 'Bare! Pull up a pew and settle in, the stew is on and the fridge is full of cold ones.

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    I'm sure it has something to do with both of our dad's being in the CIA. Catholic-Irish-Alcoholics.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    listened to an interview on npr on the way to the money pit today....he was x cia and he had written a book of CIA Humor

    why did the chicken cross the street?
    to see if the survielance was working

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Very cool.

  • Panthers

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    Sorry Murph, the Fins don't give me a warm and fuzzy feeling under any circumstances this year.


  • I'll take:

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  • Bears

  • Redskins

  • great stories guys. I appreciate the heartfelt tales of growing up and of family and friends.

    My dad grew up in GreenBay, was an athletic superstar, and knew all of the players of the 50's and 60's. he told me that the kids used to be able to scale the fence in the endzone in the old City Stadium and they would all sit in the back of the endzone and watch for free which was cool since it was a fucking professional football game. The powers that be didn't care that the kids did it.
    He moved to Chicago in the mid 70's and his dual love for the Bears and Packers has grown ever since. He is always torn when the Pack plays the Bears though because he loves both teams and knows a bunch of the Bears players since he works up in Mundelein and a bunch of the Bears players kids go to the same school as his new little boy.
    I always loved the Packers as well as the Bears but my love for the Bears started when i was 4 or 5. I remember that i used to catch a lot of shit for wearing my Lynne Dickey jersey around but I loved it and that jersey along with my long sleeve Payton jersey/tshirt was my favorite thing to wear until my older brother let me wear his football jersey around.
    My gradeschool team growing up had this cool tradition where the older players and older brothers would pass their jerseys down to the younger guys and younger brothers that were the next generation of stars. We'd have these awesome jerseys on that were clean for every game but had sewn up rips, scuffs from helmets, etc from years of battle.
    Bears Packers runs deep in my blood and that is why this game is the most important game of the season. Going 2-1 heading into Carolina would be a catapult to the 2nd quarter of the season.

    Sunday can't get here fast enough.

  • The diversity of the comments of this blog is what blogs are all about, by the way.

    i also would like to subscribe to hutin's newsletter. I know there is one out there.

  • In reply to Dmband:

    actually, this is my first experience doing this.....i read from the begining, and hid in the weeds; but I got a good vibe from the place
    I wasn't real confident in myself, sharing cause, as stated before...i used to know everything about my teams; but you are all light years ahead of me when it comes to knowledge of this game...and i only read reporters to try to get some knowledge
    so i don't sound like a complete fool
    i feel that there is no other reason to go elsewhere to figure out the bears than what I get here...thank you jeff...this has to be alot of xtra work
    so this year i jumped into this, and onto facebook a month ago;only to follow my kids paths
    my daughter started it when she told me i was going to become "pop's" in feb 2012
    it is the pictures that I usually don't see, until we visit; that I like the most

  • In reply to huntinbare:

    Your a cool dude huntinbare. Like Doc said, I like your style.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    thank you, I think you are all special and that is why the seed led us to meet in this place
    i like to think of it as good fortune

  • from da site:
    Garza is just as confident that the line will bounce back.

    “We have to communicate better and we have to get the job done,” he said. “We have to block the guy in front of us. It starts with us and we’re going to do a better job of that this week.”

    I think he read our blog!

  • In reply to Urlacher FTW:

    i think they should read what is said here
    teams perish from lack of knowledge

  • In reply to Urlacher FTW:

    c'mon chris williams i am riding your bus this year
    help our man matt
    and our man jay
    stand up sir, to that packer force and push them all the way into next week

  • Thank the baby jebus - our local affiliate is playing the game on tv this weekend. I was not looking forward to yet another trip to the sports bar.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I know what you mean MBP. At the bar, you have to be more "reserved". You can't yell, jump up, clap, or get all fired up like watching the game at home, unless your at a Bears bar. Even then it's not the same.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    i just confirmed that atl-tampa is a 4:15 start
    but at lleast it will be the bear announcers
    they do a fine job painting the picture
    and have good insight
    also a few sideline intervs.

    they are no jack brickhouse; but they are lightyears ahead of the saints announcers, they new nothing about the bears

  • Cincinnati (-2.5)
    New England (-8.5)
    The Champions (-3.5)


  • In reply to thebigcheese:

    pssssst.... psssssssssssssssstttt...

    hey chaz..... you know this is a bears blog and not a packer blog... right?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    psssst....... you know that this is packer week......right?

    (it says so at the top)

  • In reply to thebigcheese:

    yes. I do. And that's fine and understood. You two feel almost obligated... fine.

    But I just want to you to be honest with yourself that you come here almost as much as the rest of us, and most of the time you actually try to fit in and have a voice and be a participant (to belong)... until you start that lame bears still suck shit, but hey... it's part of the packer anthem I just found out (hee hee, how weird is that?!).

    I do expect more from a Cal Aggie Chaz, but that's beside the point I guess.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    if melton bounces back this weekend with a big game...
    and turns up the heat on rodgers
    will the big cheese become
    melton cheese all day

  • Did anyone else watch the latest inside the NFL? Some broad went from team bar to team bar in NYC and kicked it with the fans. I find it hillarious that crappy fans with crappy teams that dont have fight songs of their own try and copy others in the most uncreative fashion. They say there's no greater form of flattery but I say there's no greater demonstration of your ineptitude.

  • http://www.tv.com/shows/inside-the-nfl/clips/inside-the-nfl-bar-crawlin-through-nyc-10557652/

  • Cool Checker Cab (Checker Cabs having been invented in Joliet, Illinois) - decent babe hosting the bit (given she's from Chicago) - awesome dude dressed in Ditka's Super Bowl 85 attire, that was great.

    Packer fans, as usual, the biggest assholes and dumbest song.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I don't know - I thought this was a pretty creative one.........


  • In reply to thebigcheese:

    And let's not forget, even a Bears fan can be honest.

  • In reply to phrozentundra:

    that is creative... only the 1,324,632,743,325 time someone has used that scene. BRILLIANT!!!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    So? Bear Jew likes youtube.

  • In reply to phrozentundra:

    anti-Semite... sweet. just what i'd expect from a redneck.

  • In reply to phrozentundra:

    Drink up, time to leave ...
    (Clicks safety to Off position...)

  • In reply to thebigcheese:

    Wow you're right.. the chant of "super bowl" was highly creative. Ah you folks up in Wisconsin just keep giving the world all kinds of gems.

  • I was being sarcastic. GPLDAN bringing up the subject of packer chants gave me the opportunity to reference every fan's favorite chant of all time. And the fact that it occurred in the most devastating/humiliating/heartbreaking fashion imaginable for Bears fans was the perfect symmetry.

    That scene is the climax of rivalry. There is no sweeter victory than punching a superbowl ticket on the rival's turf. Doesn't get any worse for the loser either....

  • In reply to thebigcheese:

    you give yourself too much credit
    loss exists in the mind only and so does win
    you miss the point of the experience
    it's the game that produces the thrill ride
    after that you expect that somehow victory is something to rub in your opponents face
    the banter is just good natured fun; but it don't mean squat
    and it gives you no purchase
    except in your cheese infested mind

  • In reply to huntinbare:

    Huntinbare - if I want depth, I'll read GPLDAN's comments, discard his cynicism, ignore his agenda, and take what's left.

    That sounded like a 14 year-old's regurgitation of something he heard from his art teacher.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    chicks are so lame.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    as stated I don't expect to out "depth" anybody
    I hated art in school, never listened...I used to fold paper triangles and kick field goals back and forth with another dis-interested freind....I was lou michaels he was lou "the toe" groza....never heard a word they said

    you still can't see reality.....
    and only a fool believes in age...that will only lead you into the throes of death....
    maybe you'll get that feeling sunday night.

  • In reply to huntinbare:

    that was for the cheese infested one mb
    i couldn't get a reply tag to his takedown of my child like mind

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Holy shit... they actually have us all over their own song? That's not just a random chant in that bar? Shut the fuck up... is that true?

    BAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHHAHAAHAHHAAHahahahahahaha.... holy fucking shit!?!?! Little dicks much?

    I didn't even know that, I thought you guys were kidding.

  • Haha, hilarious. She had to have been pretty greased by the end of that crawl. I don't think it would have taken much to get those panties to drop after all those shots, heh.

    Any team who sings/chants about another team sucking has obvious inferiority complex issues. It demonstrates how their sense of identity is based more around another team than anything their own team does.

  • Barber officially questionable. He could be a real difference maker in this game, but a quad is not the injury to rush back from.

    I hope Gay Mathews gets hit by a bus on the way to the game. Or chokes to death on balls.

  • I doubt even a paraplegic Matthews could be deterred by Frank Omiyale, so I'd wish for something else if I were you.

  • Hahahahahahah... I think the latter is probably more realistic (sorry Johnny - you fucking closet pack fan... I'm crushed btw)

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    haha, have no fear MB, i'm not switch hitting I just appreciate the rivalry...I do love Matthews and Woodson though. Woodson totally reinvented himself once he got to Green Bay. badass, and apparently a decent right hook to the body.

  • In reply to Gucci Mang:

    Hairboy... FUCKING DEAD!

  • In reply to Gucci Mang:

    remember, if you can't take a punch
    it don't matter how hard you hit
    we better be prepared for the give... and the take
    I expect it to be viscious; i keep thinking that the bears have lived through a long summer after the way things closed last year
    maybe it will give them a bit more juice for this one
    they better play through every hit;
    and all the way through the whistle

  • do they hide his ability to play healthy this late in the week to keep the other team from scheming without him?
    I don't have a good feeling that he is that ready to make a significant impact;

  • This thread got sentimental fast (well until the last few posts anyway). Good stuff. Anyway back on the '11 Bears, thanks for reminding me to check out Roy's OL grades Irish. I like how he's including the TEs and RBs now.

    Here's a link to it if anyone wants to read it.

    It's interesting because it confirms my vague sense of how the game went. It wasn't a total breakdown like the NYG game at all, except in the 4th quarter. Actually the pass protection by the line was quite good through 3 quarters -- the problem up to that point was terrible run blocking. Even in the 4th, the line made mistakes but didn't play terribly -- it was mostly Kellen Davis and Kahlil Bell.

    In fact Davis had a horrendous game. Even Webb, who graded out the worst of the 6 linemen, still rated over 90% on pass blocking and over 88% overall. Meanwhile KD finished at 53.7% and KB at 65% blocking.

    To be sure, the OL didn't play a great game but they didn't play a terrible game either. Now that doesn't mean the overall protection scheme did not completely breakdown in the 4th quarter -- it did. That still is on Tice, Garza, and jointly the OL, TEs, and RBs. But the biggest failure besides that (and besides Davis's massive whiff on McBride that changed the course of the game) was simply not committing to runs early in the game to establish the threat. I can understand why he didn't -- they kept making mistakes at it, and the screen game was working -- but ultimately it was a costly, critical failure because 1) they never were able to establish a good rhythm with just the passing game, and 2) it set up conditions for that ludicrous 4th quarter disaster.

    I also can't quite blame Smith because it's difficult to tell how unbalanced the playcalling is until it's too late to do anything about it. Also there is a flow to playcalling where only the caller has a sense of how he's trying to set up future plays or anticipate opposing calls, and as a supervisor you have to trust to a certain extent that your guy has a plan he's following. If this continues, however, then that will be a failure in leadership... In fact, I have a feeling we'll see at least one more unbalanced game down the line this year (possibly even as soon as this game against a suddenly pretty vulnerable looking GB secondary), but I'm okay with that as long as it stays limited.

  • In reply to Michael L:

    I kinda saw the same thing. The O-line played mediocre through 3 quarters (which for us is an upgrade), but when Martz went all pass-happy, that put an unbearable strain on the oline, tes, and hbs to block a blitzkrieg who anticipated pass and snap count. Couple this with unreliable receivers who could not make the D pay, and voila, the perfect storm for the Bears to get dominated.

    We MUST run block better.

    Better run block = Better run = better play-action = less pressure for oline = less sacks = less mistakes = more first downs = more time of possession = more points = fresher D = etc etc.

    It all begins with run-blocking. Can Omiyale, Webb, run block? Can Williams, Garza, Spencer get any sort of push on a 3-4? Do any of them possess half the fire that Cutty showed last week while he bench pressing Dlineman off him?

    Stay tuned...

  • In reply to Michael L:

    thanks for the link michael
    it was odd to hear that the bear jew did not do well in the run blocking
    that was supposed to be his strenght; and I had been asking for them to run more his way... i'm a dummy
    i read alot about hand placement as a reason for failure
    what positi9ns are the hands supposed to be in for optomum performance; i have never heard this described?

    I remember Dbl.M. saying he wanted tight ends that could handle defenders by themselves; if they are able to do this and seal off the end; could a pitchout play work
    i saw bukich pitch to sayers this week on mutiple plays
    as i watched film this week....that man could pitch a spiral
    in rugby that was the theory; pitch it out along a strung out line of backs
    is that just too slow a developing play with todays athletes?
    i like forte on the outside more than into the line
    but how can we get it to him that way besides throwing it?

    one more thing... i think that spaeth should be starting due to his edge in experience in big games
    he knows what to do; and maybe that is what is needed
    he was wide open for his td; maybe he disguised himself so well that he got space from his experience being in those situations

  • In reply to huntinbare:

    It's just one game huntin... actually not even one game -- about 1/3 of one. He did better in the run game in the first 2 games. He's still a rookie though, so there will be mistakes. I'm not too worried about Carimi... provided he gets back on the field.

    It was also just one game for Kellen Davis too, albeit it was a truly awful one. He did piss poor in pass pro, run blocking, and dropping passes. I think you can make an argument Spaeth should be given the start certainly. I guess we'll see what happens.

  • In reply to Michael L:

    i been asking my football geek freinds at work why cutler doesn't get to roll out more to keep the hounds off
    even some quick miss direction
    nobody knows why the pitch isn't used more to free up space for forte
    any ideas about this?
    the geeks didn't have anything other than the defenses are too fast these days

  • In reply to Michael L:

    To be honest, after going back and looking at all his individual grades I had to leave a questin behind. The only pass blockers that scored less than 80% were Bell and Davis. Even J'Marcus and Omelette didn't get below an 80. I only saw the game once, but I remember the second quarter, in particular the fourth as being a free-for-all for the Saints into our backfield. NIce to hear that CW had apparently the best game.

    In response to 'Bare below about Cutler and his roll-outs. I think I rememebr hearing last year that there aren't any in MM's playbook. I know he drawsa plays up in the dirt sometimes, so there's no reason why there couldn't be. If it's a PA fake, where the RB is going in one direction and Cutty legs it around the other, then unless there was a CB or DB blitzing in from that side then he should be able to reach the sideline unimpeded and wait for the play to develop. I think Martz just doesn't like roll-outs/bootlegs. Like rushing and shotgun formations.

    Neither Forte nor Bell, especially, are gre4at pass blockers. Until we get Louis, Carimi and Barber back it's a rough time for Cutler. There's been a lot of talk about establishing the run this week, but to be honest, it wasn't something we were doing well before the injuries.

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  • Ok, here's some feel-good material.

    First off, not everyone pegged the Bears to miss the playoffs in pre-season predictions. Football Outsiders efficiency projections had Chicago's D finishing ranked 3rd overall and ST ranked 2nd overall. They projected the O at 26 overall, and combined that was good enough for 9 wins and a WC berth. If the offense can make strides this year and be better than the 7th worst unit -- it's honestly hard to tell if and how much they'll improve over last year -- then they could be in for another good year. So not everyone believed the Bears were a mirage or due for a rude awakening.

    Secondly, not sure if everyone saw this Trib article about all the players on 1-year or the last year of their contracts. It is a bit spirit-lifting though.

    Let's BEAR DOWN for some big time football this weekend. I want to see them take it to the Pack, and plant one right on the chin!

  • In reply to Michael L:

    when i saw this article i started to become a fan of the klutz
    i will be in his corner from here on
    i like players with passion; they remain focused
    i haven't seen him play yet, but we need that kind of intensity
    to match this teams desire
    the packsters have to face each teams best this year, (whatever that may be ?)
    but each team is going to try and be peaking the weekend they meet green bay
    it ain't easy being champs

    2-1 would be hailed as a great achievement in the press next week
    I have to admit; i haven't looked to see if either fla. team is playing the late game,yet.. not sure if they are on down here ...no matter; i'll take it the jack brickhouse way....after i listen to B.B.Kings show with bill wax... it is smooth, B.B. tells good stories about livin in americas dark age. last 3 weeks he has had his buddy, Buddy Guy (i love buddy guy; you must see him if possible).....will be a great day

  • In reply to huntinbare:

    Huntin, if you don't have Buddy Guy's CD Skin Deep, get it. It is incredible. Some of his best work, and over 70 years old!

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    i am going to get some jimmy reed next week
    i will pick it up thanks for the tip

  • i did not get a post in for the thread about "what the bears faithful should do this weekend at the game"

    last week the tide broke through the bears levee (lovie) system in new orleans
    this week michigan seems to be threatening to flood the stadium on the lakefront
    what are we gonna dooooooo?

    fortunately the bards son, Jakob, had some words of wisdom for us this morning while I was rackin up the route

    Blackbird sittin on an open gate
    Cattle out walking the plains
    West winds blowing the waist-high wheat
    Sideways in the rain
    Bloodhounds spent, got no trail
    There ain't no sign of man
    Want to get ourselves on the straight and narrow

    Roll up your sleeves, hold back the dam
    Fill these bags with sand
    Every young boy, woman, and every man
    Has got to lend a hand

    It ain't no wives tale, it ain't no fable
    PAYBACK is comong around
    The hourglass is sittng there on the table
    Filled on both sides now

    The work is pot luck, grab a hatchet
    Wear any glove that fits
    YOU CAN'T TAKE A PUNCH, then you might as well quit
    It won't matter how hard you hit

    Roll up your sleeves, shovel the land
    You're a toothless woman or a one armed man
    you too got to lend a hand

    We're losing daylight, you've got to be swift
    You ain't got brains then you can lift
    You don't got to like what you've got in it

    When our father gets home he's gonna turn on the lights
    We're up to our throuts in knives His eyes will flash and his teeth will grind
    He'll say, "You're on your own, look alive!"
    Suppose I quit you my wayward tribe
    Whatever would you do?
    Take me to Hades or take me to Memphis
    Just don't take me for one of you

    Roll your sleeves up, the fat lady sang
    Grab your buckets and cans
    Come over the border, your papers in order
    You too got to lend a hand
    Roll your sleeves up, hold back the dam
    Fill those bags with sand
    Every young boy, woman, every tired old man
    You too got to lend a hand

  • the boy can do it

  • Chargers

  • Emotions are running high. You guys laid down some great threads last few days. Man, I have not had much sleep this week with work related deadlines, Saints debacle and upcoming Fudge game. Its weird, I have the most vivid dreams when sleep limited. Had vivid dream of Bug Eyes Rodgers marching the Fudge down the field late in 4th and Fudge teeing up the game winning FG with just a couple ticks left. Ball snapped, hold is good, kick is made while a furious rush from Bears lines ensues.... ball rises slowly and a huge hand swats ball away. Blocked FG ala the "ghost of Payton" game vs Fudge shortly after Sweetness passed. One of the greatest games ever. Well lads, hope from REM-less sleep dreams are a good omen, and not tryin to get sappy here. Jacked that I can watch the game at home this week, and not at local Sports bar here in rural MD. Rodgers dead.... that's what happens when Pep rips your head from the torso.

  • In reply to GuinnessPlease:

    this too is a good sign

  • In reply to GuinnessPlease:

    So I'm guessing you woke up before Chester Marcol picked up the ball and ran it into the endzone?

  • In reply to thebigcheese:

    that is a great name
    i could think of a million different names to go with marcol
    but chester...that is a classic

    alotta guys run the ball into the end zone
    why single out one over the other
    i don't remember a dam thing about chester marcol
    but, as you can see i like a good story so tell us some more about this chester marcol
    he has an intriguing name

  • In reply to huntinbare:

    "Packers 12, Bears 6 (OT), Sept. 7, 1980

    Marcol, a two-time NFL scoring champion, was in his ninth season and would be waived by coach Bart Starr just one month later. But in the season opener at Lambeau Field, he had his finest moment as a Packer.

    The game went into sudden-death overtime tied, 6-6, after Marcol and the Bears' Bob Thomas each kicked two field goals. Behind quarterback Lynn Dickey, the Packers drove down the field and Starr sent in Marcol to attempt a 34-yard game-winner.

    The snap and hold were good, but Chicago's Alan Page broke through the line. Players on the field that day will never forget the distinct double thwack of Marcol's kick and Page's block.

    The ball ricocheted directly back to Marcol, who plucked it out of the air and ran untouched around left end for the game-winning touchdown. The sight of the bespectacled kicker clutching the ball to his chest and scurrying into the end zone made Packers fans laugh - and Bears fans cry."

  • In reply to thebigcheese:

    wow it took him 9 seasons to have his finest moment
    sounds like the forces of nature just were being kind, cause they new they were gonna can him
    life can be kind also....

    you pluck paws paws or flrowers
    not footballs, that ball peobrably fell into his arms
    he didn't sound that agile from your description

    good story though

  • In reply to huntinbare:

    The legend of Chester Marcol has nothing to do with his talent or fortune. It has to do with one of the most epic plays in the rivalry's history, and the Bears still sucking.

  • In reply to thebigcheese:

    The sad but true footnote to this was the fact that Marcol had tried cocaine for his first time at half time of that game and admitted that he was hooked instantly. Along with his alcoholism and new found demon he went into total free fall.

  • In reply to phrozentundra:

    wow, they dispensed that from the locker room pharmacy
    that is sad, for chester

  • In reply to huntinbare:

    Ah, he's referencing some dipshit that drank battery acid.

    I thought bigcheese was a youngster that wanted to fight everybody, in which case he has no recollection of Marcol, or do I have him mixed up some other packer shithead?.

  • OK, I can't resist the "how I got to be a Bears Fan" stories. Mine's not gonna measure up to Sdwat's for sure, but it does have a growin up in Chicago angle to it.

    I wasn't really into football as a kid until I started high school. But my high school team, The Cavaliers, were kickin butt in the Chicago High School league, and team spirit was very high. I went to my first football game and had a great time. I don't remember who we played, but we won. What everyone talked about though, was that a guy who had been a "Cavalier" had just been drafted by the Bears. It was 1965.

    The high school? Chicago Vocational School (CVS). The player drafted by the Bears? Dick Butkus, Class of '61.

    Been a Bears Fan ever since.

  • In reply to MikeV in OR:

    he can draw you in
    when things get slack one week i will tell a story about the man who sat on the bench behind butkus at illinois

    MR. BUTKUS is my fav. bear

    i looked all over tring to find a terry kath picture of him wearing a buykus jersey for the picture by our names
    no luck...still don't know how to do it anyway
    i was thinkin maybe a fecebook door exists to posting a pic

    kath would wear a butkus jersey, when i would go see chicago at their thanksgiving concerts there is the big 51 crankin out one of the best solo's ever on 25 or 6 to 4

  • In reply to huntinbare:

    i need to check my finger placement on the keys better
    this carpul tunnel is killin my spellin

  • Falcons

  • Lions

    I'd seen this weird game on a new British TV station, Channel 4, that began broadcasting in 1982. It was very stop-start so Dad never left it on for long and I never got to grips with the rules, but it was intriguing to me, these big men in helmets and pads. Cheerleaders. Over the next year or so it filtered into my consciousness, and the Raiders and the Redskins were dominant as I recall, but nothing about them caught my imagination really.

    Then I saw this guy Walter Payton and something just clicked inside me. The high-stepping, a prancing gazelle one second ... a rushing bull the next. The stutter step. Leaping into the air and sailing over all the carnage in front of him on the goal-line - landing on his head! There was no stepping out of bounds with this guy. His carriage, be he running or walking, flipping or handing the ball casually back to the officials instead of making a big song and dance about scoring. Just the way he carried himself at all times like he had something else inside him, something that set him apart from these other guys around him. He was just different. Special. There was an aura of special-ness around him.

    Walter Jerry Payton. Sweetness. That's why I'm a Bears fan.

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    Greatest Of All Time. Period. I don't how many lists you make or polls you take, or who makes them. Greatest Of All Time.

  • In reply to MikeV in OR:

    Amen to that. There's a reason his striking visage graces the backdrop of NFL Studios -- prominent, and alone.

    He stood apart in life and on the field. I'll admit much of the reverence for the other '85 Bears is almost mythological more than anything else, but Walter stood above that. He truly was a great person first, great football player second. Most players in the HoF were made great by football, but Payton is one of the very, very few where football was made great by him.

  • In reply to MikeV in OR:

    Yeah, Payton was ok. Too bad your ass hole coach didn't let him score in the SB. The guy played his guts out for shit teams most of his career and that's the thanks he got from Dickless. I hated Ditka before that but that threw it over the top.

  • In reply to phrozentundra:

    I almost never respond to any of your inane bullshit but this is too much. Payton was OK? There isn't a Packer RB that's within a mile of his greatness. As far as the SB is concerned, I guess you didn't watch it. The entire NE D was keying on Payton. Payton had at least a half dozen tries inside the 10 yd line and was stuffed. Every time they faked to Walter it was a TD. Ditka didn't do Walter any favors in that game but it wasn't all on him. The NE defensive game plan had more to do with Walter not scoring than anything.

    BTW, do you really think any of us give a shit about some loser Fudge Packing Kicker?

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    I was the one who brought up Chester Marcol. And I only did so because whoever it was who had that dream set it up perfectly; The joke/reference wrote itself. That play is up there with "The Instant Replay" and the Fridge scoring the touchdown as far as Bears-Packers series' highlights. Oh yeah, and add "THE FREEZER" to that list

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    So you really believe that shit? Your coaches, your o-line, Payton, Mac, no one had the skills to overcome this mighty NE defense? You find a way. Payton deserved it.

  • In reply to phrozentundra:

    ok? Your credibility just went way negative.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Yeah, ok. As in he is the only Bear I ever had respect for. I know you all are trying to synchronize your periods and your nipples are puffy and sensitive, but when a guy says another guy is ok, it's a good thing. OK?

  • In reply to MikeV in OR:

    + INFINITY. I love WP, like I knew him personally. My work ethic and toughness can all be owed to my childhood idol, who I do my best to emulate.

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    great description
    gives me the bumps on my skin
    i hope he shows up sunday in the ether and inspires the boys

  • Cardinals, Ravens, Panthers

  • T minus 35 hrs. 15 mins til Packer week. I won't get to see it live, since I have to go fishing, but I'll be going nuts Sunday night watching the game. Bears by at least one. Go Fucking Bears!

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    I'll peel myself out of bed at three in the morning, put the kettle on and flop down in front of the laptop. Not expecting to go into work in a good mood, but it's a home game at least, we have a chance.

  • Pucker up Doc. Loser of our game gets to be 1-2.

  • In reply to BigDaddy:

    Just way to busy and preoccupied to give a shit about fantasy this year. Next year, I'm in one league only.

  • Totally and completely off topic, but I've always been fascinated with SHC. How in thee hell does something like that physiologically happen.

    Nature is pretty freaking amazing: http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2011/09/23/michael-faherty-irish-pen_n_977436.html?icid=maing-grid7%7Cmain5%7Cdl2%7Csec3_lnk3%7C98585

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    oh yeah, +1 on sweetness Irish.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Hah! I saw that. Coroner said it was the only time in 25 years he could have come to that conlusion. But it was Conan Doyle ..."once all other hypotheses have been rejected, and only one remains ...."

  • Hey Irish, your testimony on sweetness sounded like mine. Growing up in Illinois, from time to time I would watch the sports chanels and I kept on hearing the commentators referring to a guy they called sweetness. I used to think to myself, who is this guy they're talking about? What kind of football player would go by the name of sweetness? I wasn't used to American nicknames like this and actually thought it was kind of a dig at Payton for not being tough. It didn't take me long after watching him play why he got the nickname. In my opinion, no other nickname in all of sports comes as close to capturing a players embodiment as Sweetness did for Walter.

  • In reply to BigDaddy:

    Coincidentally it was my mother's nickname for my dad. Both my heroes were called Sweetness.

  • Sweetnes absolutely loved playing vs the Fudge. I hope our new Bears can gather up a fraction of his mojo and toughness for this game. What bothered me last week more than the 4th Quarter meltdown was the lack of fight on both sides of the ball. The only one showing any moxy was Cutty. So ironic that he's viewed as soft, he is anything but that.
    Briggs, Izzy. Roach, and entire O-Line feel free to start playing any moment now, the pre-season is over.

  • In reply to GuinnessPlease:

    hopefully it was just from the surrounding circumstances
    emotion especially sadness can weigh heavy on a body
    makes every part of the body exhausted
    they sounded like they were carrying a heavy load

    this will be a good opponent to put some fire back in the belly
    plus some home town cookin

    maybe they ate some seafood smothered in oil and corex-it the night before
    that can make a player groggy also

  • SAINTS -4
    Jets -3 RAIDERS
    Ravens -4

  • Oops:
    SAINTS -4
    Jets -3
    Ravens -4

  • Jets

  • Peter King picked the Bears. I think just to be a dick, because he says he really thinks the Packers are going to stomp us in his explanation. How dickless.

  • I found a song that sums up this week on DBB perfectly.


  • In reply to gpldan:

    OMFG, this is so great.

    Priest's classic done as a Holiday Inn Lounge Bar song is best thing I've seen today.


  • In reply to gpldan:

    OMFG is right. I got mind-melded into watching it and had to push away from my screen with all my might when they started doing hand claps in unison. It felt like watching a car wreck. Cannot imagine actually watching that live, I would probably rush the stage and start breaking things. Need to crank some real music loud as shit now and gargle Bushmills.....rinse and repeat.
    Rob Halford was a queen, but man J.P had some great tunes back in the day (saw them when I was a tiny munchkin with older cousin way back when), this was not it, funny though. I have to get that tune out of my head... thanks bro... Ugh

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I love all the 'Halford was a Queen' comments! I only found that out yesterday. True. And when I was a kid, the fact that a band called 'Queen' were also all Queens was blissfully lost on me. Apart from Freddy. Even a kid could tell he was a screamer.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    we are here for each other
    as we write to ourself

    i need to sit down with this girl and lay some advaita- vedanta on here
    stunning video...i see sunset through the trees daily
    isn't it amazing that the body heads to nature in a crisis

    bravo! bravo! dan

  • Disappointed... I'm so disappointed. I try soooo hard with you guys about troll feeding.. *sigh*

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    Dave, i've been strictly adhering to your instruction. I slipped up once a week ago but overall i feel like i'm making progress.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    it is a rookie mistake
    my parents raised me to feed my freinds when they came over
    so i felt obligated to feed him
    you don't have to give him top shelf though

    i believe it is a little bit of repressed anger; those two bartenders in wisc. took me to the point of self destruction many a sunday as they sipped schlitz and had a good laugh on my dime

    i am sure if other team trolls show up i will not be so inclined

  • In reply to huntinbare:

    It's an interesting personality disorder though. Any psychologists read this blog? What would incline persons unwanted to keep showing up to where they're not wanted? Borderline personality disorder? Help us out. Answers on a postcard please.

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    I just consulted the DSM-IV. I can't find anything of the sort. I Hope it's not life-threatening.......


  • In reply to SC Dave:

    I have to hold my hand up Dave, but I was asking him to leave.....

  • Cowboys

  • Pittsburgh

  • Cards, Steelers, Jets

  • Chargers

  • Falcons

  • Bears

  • Panthers, Redskins, Ravens

  • Cardinals

    I'm picking afternoon games, so nobody accuses me of shenanigans.

  • Bills +8.5
    Dolphins +2.5
    Bears +3.5

    Do it!

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