The tradition failed us a week ago. We try something a little new.
First thing I gotta say is that guy has some big ones.
The second thing is wtf is with Packers fans today? This is the oldest rivalry in the NFL, everybody knows that. But, for most of the years I lived in Chicago it was a friendly rivaly with good natured smack talk going back and forth, but most folks had enough respect for the other guy's team to keep it friendly. None of this "the Bears suck", or "the Packers suck" for that matter.
Neither the Bears or the Packers suck. Both are storied franchises that deserve the respect of football fans everywhere. Do I hope the Packers lose? Damn right! Do I want the Bears to beat the Pack every time they play? More than almost anything. But I think the opposing-team hate has gone too far, at least for me.
I'm gonna take a ton of shit for this but, the Packers are a great team right now. It's gonna take a great team to beat them. We can be that team. We can do this. Bear down!
100% on all counts, Mike. Couldn't agree more. I blame the media for their constant negative slant. Mostly against the bears, but in general. We've become a nation of haters.
haters gonna hate:
+1 Mike, I don't really get the depth of it either.
I do know that for Halas & Lombardi both it was very personal, and their players knew it, their fans knew it. But if you read the book, "Bear Memories, The Chicago-Green Bay Rivalry", you'll find that the players didn't despise each other as many would like to believe.
I think a lot of the present era hate, so to speak, is a direct result of the cloak of anonymity the net offers. Civility isn't really necessary if you know you won't be held accountable for it, some clearly believe. Imagine how fast at least blogs, forums, and chat rooms would change if suddenly, everyone knew everyone else's address, phone number, and real name.
Ah, but I digress...read the book if you haven't already. It'll restore your faith in humanity, and make you strongly dislike Ray Nitschke for all the right reasons...
It's been uglier in the last few years up here, especially in Green Bay itself. When I wear my jersey out on the town I only go to restaurants where I can watch my food all the way through. The locals up here treat the team as some sort of cult....you're REQUIRED to support the green and gold or you're ostracized....I've never seen anything like it. Rowdier/drunk guys have actually picked fights without provocation.
Packers fans assume the Bears are terrible and if at any time the Bears are doing better than their team they turn real ugly real quick.
You have to keep it in perspective; Look at the Giants/Dodgers beating, the preseason gang free-for-all with SF-OAKLAND. The Pittsburgh-Baltimore rivalry has wayyy more vitriol than packers bears and it's only15 years old! Jets-Patriots is worse. I think it's probably pretty hard to find a rivalry that's tamer than this one when you take into consideration is longevity, and the passionate fan bases
I think a lot of it has to do with so few post-season matchups, and the fact that the two teams have rarely been simultaneously successful. It seems like the steelers and ravens meet in the playoffs every other year, and I have to assume that ups the ante considerably. Also, I don't remember this Jets/Patriots back-and-forth during the earlier part of the decade. I'm sure it was there, but not like this......
a freind at work today showed me a video of this man with 2 phd's
who is now homeless
seemed like someone was doing a documentary
eerily , in the background a guy in full packer gear was walking into the library in cleveland where this guy was e-mailing job apps.
funny how it took my attention off the story he told
apparently i am focused
An interesting philosophical question arises from this, thanks for providing the fuel 'Bare :o)
Start stroking your beards now lads.
[preface: homelessness should not happen to anybody in this day and age, and education should be somewhat rewarded, but all people are equal, morally]
Should the fact that a person who holds two pieces of paper morally be excluded from the tragedy of homelessness? Is he 'better' than anyone else who through life's various swings and roundabouts have no qualifications or just had a horrendous chain of events compound themselves to the point where they sadly find themselves homeless, no family or friends etc?
I used to know one of the only two Astrophysicists in Ireland holding PhDs. There was only one position available in the country for such a person and he was unemployed. He was a stoner, and so lacked the get-up-and-go to live in another country where he could be suitably employed. Following on from that, one could assume he could have accepted more menial work (although I think they'd been left money), but academics can tend to think themselves 'above' certain forms of work. Pride - a terribly ugly attribute. We don't what chain of events led this two-PhD guy to be homeless, nor what options he refused.
[Huntinbare - eh ... that's not quite what I meant Irish ....]
Ssssh! Furthermore, perhaps this is life's way of showing this man that the pursuit of knowledge purely as a means in itself is not why he was given the gift of life and consciousness. I'm surrounded by published Professors everyday at lunchtime in the canteen (I teach kids, but within the confines of a University), some are very normal down to earth people, some are incapable of human interaction - this type live entirely in their heads, separate from mankind almost.
Conclusion? Shut yourself away from society and there is the distinct possibility that you become that hermit in the cave.
[Huntinbare - eh, no, I was really just ....]
Ssssh! I want my homeless guys to be like this hippy. I want some value for my coin.
Eh .. .Go Bears?
Quick story followed by a much needed blog opinion:
Before my wife and I got married, like many other men in the world, I looked at porn. Old habits die hard, and for about the first year of our relationship, I still watched the occasional movie. After a few fights and talks, I decided that I would give up porn for her. Now, I don't think this is an unreasonable thing. I can see why a wife would get upset about her husband jerkin it to some boob tube floosy getting it from all sides. Makes sense. During some of these fights, she would say things like, " If you were looking at a playboy or just some half naked chick standing by a car, I don't think that would bother me.." Plus, she's told me how she used to get her X-fiance a subscription to playboy. So the way I understood it, she just doesn't want me looking at actual porn, like XXX porn, but classily done naked pictures are okay.
So tonight, I decide on a whim to check out this months pictures on the following site that Canada told me about...
Well, she saw me looking at it and a fight breaks out. Now she tells me, she doesn't want me looking at anything like that. I don't see what the big deal is. As you can see from the site, it's a pretty tame site. Just breasts and bikes, that it. Not even hot-model types. Just plain semi-sexy fixie ladies. So I tell her that I love her and don't want anyone else and that the situation is like a dude with a hot girl/car calendar in their garage. Not like I'm fantasizing or jerking. Just plain looking. Asking a guy not to look at the occasional half naked chick is is like trying not to look at a car accident. I mean c'mon! So, while I love her and respect her opinion, I told her that I wasn't going to stop looking at shit like that. It's counter to what she's led me to believe and I feel like if I give in to this demand, the next thing I know she'll be insisting I close my eyes at the random naked scene on a movie.
So here's my question. Mostly for you married or formerly married men (please, not you Trac).
Should I hold the line on this one? Am I being stubborn or is she being ridiculous? I know, I know, she's pregnant, so that definitely accounts for the insecurity. So I guess I could agree not to look at while she's pregnant. But even that seems like a slippery slope.
I'm an old-fashioned guy with serious values. I believe in honoring commitments and respecting others values. But this reeks of classic chick controling-changing type behavior. I can't stand that shit. So am I right or am I way off base? Don't be afraid to let me have it. I need honesty. Just no religious bullshit please. And I'd love to hear from any women out there. SJVL? Nicole? Big Cheesy? Maybe I'll ask the lady on milkin it.
HELP ME PLEASE
Mb would say apologize.
Irish would say tell her that she is wrong.
Artoo is gonna say something inappropriate.
But in all honesty, you have got to know rule number 58, She only wants her attention focused on her. No one else.
Totally get the chick changing shit. I am very dirty minded and it took me awhile to realize that she doesn't really think the way I do.
Funny story yet sad. My friend from gf's dad passed away and he has not been able to get sex for a couple of weeks. Granted, we all told him and he knew, that he was not going to get laid for awhile. Well, long story short, he evenutally gets tired of waiting and starts doing what guys do to porns. The Dumbass doesn't like the door and his gf walks in on him. She is pissed and cusses him. He was totally freaked out and didn't think she would get mad. In his mind, it wasn't like he was cheating but to her he was.
It's up to you sir.
Do you respect the fact that your wife doesn't want to just look or think of other girls but you?
Do you make her realize that your not cheating and you like to see other naked women?
If there is a in-between then I can't see it. I don't know how you comprise something like that.
lock not like*
Artoo! Respect! Pound it man.
kinda messed up the first part of after "It's up to you sir."
Do you respect the fact that your wife doesn't want you to just look or think of other girls but her?
And thinking of that its also hard to not think or look at another girl but you can avoid looking at a naked girl.
Yup, the world is full of women, and if she's not secure in herself, then there's not really a lot you can do about it Doc. Sorry mang.
Did anyone get to the end of Doc's post ? Tee-hee!
Porn is an art-form. It's the celebration of human rutting. Be it gangbangs, bukkake, water sports or straight two-backed beastliness. It's all about the sex. Teh continuation of the species. The prime directive. The root program (pun intended) of the human operating system. We are programmed to reproduce and to think about reproducing even when it's not a viable option. Your good wife is a product of a largely Victorian society, which America still is, like it or not. Centuries of brainwashing about what is 'right and correct' which of course in the Victorian age was just an illusion. Never be ashamed of your thoughts, for they are only thoughts, you are largely not responsible for them as your brain is just billions of synapses rapidly firing out images you have no control over. You are your actions, not your thoughts. Don't be ashamed of the primal programming within your DNA. Anybody who says they are above it are liars or mentally unwell. The problem you face with your good wife is one of denial, denial of one's self and one's natural inclinations. And the problem is not yours.
But apparently when you reach 38/39 you don't feel like watching it anymore. Damn. Booty Talk was good.
I swear I came on here to talk football. I don't know, defense needs to man up today? Cutty needs to call his own bootlegs and find Roy downfield on the out patterns?
I hate porn because I watched one film and realized that it is possible for someone to have more fun in one film than I have had in a lifetime.
Yikes, Doc - tell your wife that you're in a five-year porn cleansing program and you're doing the best you can.
You could tell her you're really Buck Naked a former porn star like George Costanza.
Porn and marriage go together like a horse and carriage.
I cannot help Doc...I've been told to shut up, and clean up the kitchen.
Wait...maybe you could stare at that mobile phone woman in the pink dress for a really long time. She is very sexy.
Screw it. Since we're sharing .....
The mother of my children has a small vagina. Sex hurts. Her. So we don't. We've had sex like two times since she gave birth. But you know what? That's okay. We don't fight and there's none of that sexual friction. Other things replace sex - it doesn't stop you thinking about sex, but it just doesn't seem as important when you're older. If it ever got too much, I guess I'm in the one city in the world where it's not a problem if you just want to get laid.
I love this blog. And I don't have to lie down and pay some psychologist prick 300 dollars an hour.
I'll split the pot with you, Irish....
As women age, sex actually has a LOT more meaning, especially after children and during pregnancy. This is contrary to what most married men think, because insidiously, a seemingly anti-penis mentality has begun to pay surprise visits to the bedroom.
Think about it - you are INSIDE of them. Literally. And in many instances, something a LOT bigger than you is going to come back through there, and bring with it a whole new runaway train of needs. So I think wives - again, especially as they age and give birth, raise children, etc., begin to see their husbands in ways that weren't spelled out in the Newlywed Contract to Copulate at Will.
I hear ya on the control thing and all that, Irish, and I think that's partially true - they do need to feel they have some control of their future, which includes their mate.
Doc, I think you flip the switch off on the porn, be it PG-13 or XXX, because it just shouldn't be that important to you, if you get my drift? Hell, I've been married to the same woman now since the stone age (there's an old battle axe joke in there, but it's late, so I'll just move on), and man, sometimes I miss being the stallion I used to believe I was, but she's the one I chose to live my life with (hat's off to you here, Irish), so if she feels threatened by porn or a wandering eye in the mall, for that matter, it just isn't important enough to make an issue of, to me.
I don't feel "owned" because my wife thinks porn is bad and doesn't want me within a thousand miles of it. I feel needed. What picture of some stranger's breasts is better than that?
Come to think of it, I don't think I've ever had a partner who didn't ask me to show them porn. Methinks it was more becasue they wanted to look at the ladies though ...
I think you make good points, especially your last one. And for the record, it's not that important to me. I check that site on a whim every once in a while and never for more than a minute. So it's not that it's a big deal to me, or a big part of my life. In fact, THAT is almost my point. It's like getting reamed for a passing interest.
So while your newsletter is intruiging to me, it's Irish's I wish to subscribe to. Irish, sex isn't that important to me anymore either. I would never cheat on my wife nor would I leave her. I just don't want to be told what I can and can't look at (within reason). You hear me bro.
I hear that bro. Love the one you're with.
And delete your browsing history ;o)
So we go no-huddle with Davis/Spaeth/RW/Earl Spelling Forte with Barber/Clutts. No huddle is where it's at.
Doc, I wish I had an answer. Part of me feels bad because I was the one that told you about the site. Part of me wants to roll my eyes because that site is not porn. Part of me wants to invoke Rage's song "Killing in the Name of", Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me.
All I can suggest is be kind and supportive and go along with her request. At some point down the road possibly re-visit the topic. No doubt she's in a fragile state and needs you a lot more than you need to look at the fix fix fix. Good luck, my friend.
Canada, taking that non confrontational stance we talked about on that earlier thread? Doc, women are like the NFL, they keep changing the rules. You really have no way to "win' this one. You could possibly get her to begrudgingly tolerate your looking, but that isn't going to get your favorite meal on the table that night. I would just make it clear you don't agree with her and then look at what you want when she isnt around. I guess I wouldn't rub her nose in it one way or the other.
Jeff, hurry up and get the gameday thread going ... and then move this one down a few notches ....
I agree lol
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