Touchbacks the Tale of Preseason Opening Night

Touchbacks the Tale of Preseason Opening Night

Here is the report on last night's preseason openers from PFT:

With the kickoff point moving from the 30 back to the 35, the NFL hopes to reduce injuries during kickoff returns by reducing the raw number of kickoff returns.

And while it’s too early to make a reliable comparison to pre-2011 stats, the ball seems to be flying deep into the end zone, and beyond.

In the Ravens-Eagles game, five kickoffs resulted in touchbacks.  In the Jaguars-Pats game, there were two touchbacks (even though 59 points were scored).  The Broncos-Cowboys game has featured five touchbacks as of this posting.  In Seahawks-Chargers, there has been two touchbacks as of this posting.

But perhaps the most glaring example of the new rule came on the first play of the Cardinals-Raiders game, when kicker Sebastian Janikowski boomed the ball out of the end zone — and possibly through the uprights.

Over time, the rule undoubtedly will result in more touchbacks.  In turn, that will result in fewer points.  And so this rule will have been one of the few changes over the years that will, over time, reduce scoring.

I continue to maintain that this rule change will have a more drastic impact on the Chicago Bears than any other franchise in the sport.  If kickers are able to kick the ball square out of the end zone, it will eliminate the most exciting weapon the Bears possess: Devin Hester.

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  • Thanks a lot NFL, the Bears really don't need any help from you to be piss poor.

  • In reply to Perno:

    fuck em in the face Perno. Hester's gonna take it to the house regardless. They've been practicing taking the ball out of the back of the endzone.
    Suck on that Goodell and other pussy owners whose special teams suck like the Falcons.

  • I think it may even out as other ST coverage teams become a little less alert to the prospect of returns - especially if Toub is far more aggressive than the norm on returns deep from our end zone.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Good point, Posse. Let's hope.

  • I can already imagine the NFL films video that re-caps the 2011 season...


  • It should reduce scoring league-wide definitely -- although it's possible that total offense (yards) may increase. However I'm not sure yet how it will affect the Bears.

    I actually wouldn't be surprised if Hester still has a good year returning KOs. In essence, there weren't many KOs that Hester returned for TDs that he couldn't have returned 5 more yards for a TD... right? So it's possible they could just shift the entire return play 5 yards and see how it goes.

    Now if they take a lot of touchbacks then it will mean less opportunities, however Hester has never had a full season of opportunities... ever. His rookie year and last year he took over KOR halfway through the season. His 2nd and 3rd year he had half or more taken away by short kicks and squibs. His 4th year he split KOR duties. So really less opportunities would be no different than before. In fact, he might actually end up getting MORE legitimate return opportunities because with the shorter field teams will be less willing to short kick or squib it.

    Bottom line, I think it's too early to tell how Hester/Toub/Bears will be affected just yet... I'm excited to see what they manage to do =).

  • In reply to Michael L:

    Also a very good point. Less squibs. I like that.

  • Statistically, it will probably have some freakonomics like unintended effect, like a big spike in defensive touchdowns. As teams try and take it out from the back of the endzone more, more getting pinned inside the 20 - that's where you see the majority of defensive TDs scored.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Ha! An apple that's actually an orange inside... ha!

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Yep, very possible. This will be especially true if teams start fielding the ball regularly inside the 14... that's the dividing line between where it becomes more likely that the defending team vs the team with the ball will be next to score.

    In fact, if that becomes that case overall scoring could well INCREASE, even offensive scoring. In this case it would be like a destabilizing agent from a steady state punt-fest that stays outside the 20s...

  • So I know this article will please some of you guys, and get you going....,0,3912288,full.story

    Looks like both Jay and Brian are stepping up their leadership game. I'm not going to knock Kreutz, but it's possible a change in leadership brings out the best in these 2 and their charges. I like what I'm hearing from both of them...

  • In reply to Michael L:


    RODGERS FUCKING DEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


  • In reply to Michael L:

    I could not be happier, actually. We got rid of a guy who, frankly, had his best moment in the eyes of legions of clueless fans when he punched Fred Miller in the mouth.

    To bad he couldn't BLOCK with that sort of enthusiasm. Good riddance I say, in the most literal way.

  • I hate half-hearted measures, and I disagree that kickoffs add anything meaningful to the game of football.

    Just start the fucking game with the coin-toss winner starting on the 20, and the opposing team gets the same deal after the half. After TDs, same deal, other team starts on the 20. What fans want to see are punts, in which crazy shit happens. Kickoff returns just add to the concussion ratios, and I am for abolishing them like the NCAA does in overtime.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Or - a follow-up game. We get a little fat kid, a little Cartman, and we tie him to the goalpost. If the opposing kicker on kickoffs can nail the fat kid, it's 3 points - same as a FG. We can move the tee up to the 40 for more excitement.

    And before somebody throws that onside kick argument, spiced up with some Saints Super Bowl anecdote - again I would argue that if you took it away, trick plays would move to other parts of the game.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    respectfully disagree mang. kickoffs are a huge part of the game. A guy like Hester or Manning gave us a huge advantage, especially when starting at the 35 or 40 gives our offense so much more breathing room than the 20.

    I want to see a study about concussions on kickoffs now that the wedge is illegal. i agree that the wedge was lunacy.

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    Yeah, but I would love to see the cartman rule enacted. Brilliant GP. Let's do it.

    ...screw you guys, I'm goin home...

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Plus one on the fat kid idea.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Your idea sucks cock GP.

  • you're a PR specialist... or a diplomat... aren't you coach?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Hostage negotiator.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    hahahahha... nice.

    Gotta love the coach.

  • In reply to gpldan:

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I'm a gentleman and scholar, and a cocksman

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Undersexed explains it all rather easily.

  • If you're given a box of lemons, make lemonade. I think the Bears will be able to place this new rule to their advantage. Just think how hard it will be for opponent go come back on our D in the 4th qtr after we score the go ahead touchdown. I also thing this will help us out in winning the field position battle. I've given this alot of thought gents and I'm pretty sure that teams with good D's will benefit the most.

  • In reply to BigDaddy:

    If given a box of lemons, say fuck it and bail.

  • Hey MB30SD,

    Do you know how we can watch the game tomorrow in SD? I don't think they will be playing the Bears game out here. Does anyone know of any websites that I might be able to see it on?



  • In reply to MatthewIsMyForte:

    I know they will be playing it on NFL Network on Sunday at 4PM PST.

    But I'm jonesin to get a look at da 2011 squad!

  • In reply to MatthewIsMyForte:

    sup matty.

    Never been, but check this:

    as for websites... that would be illegal, and we on this here blog, do not engage in illegal activities sir.

    We do, on occasion, have evil interlopers hack unsuspecting blog patron’s accounts at game time, just to post links to outlaw streaming websites… that are showing the aforementioned privately licensed football matches.

    We all just ignore these malefactors… and I highly recommend that you do the same. Good day to you sir!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

  • In reply to gpldan:

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Bitchin, thanks mang. And a good day to you sir!...

    Is this your homework Larry!?!?

  • In reply to MatthewIsMyForte:

    This is what happens, when you fuck a stranger in the ass.

    Do you see what happens, Larry?

    Do you see what happens?

    Do you see what happens when you fuck a stranger in the ass?

    This is what happens,

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I, for one, am appalled. I'm guessing that wasn't the real dog loving matt is my forte, anyway. He'd never break the law. I'm guessing, yet another interloper.

    Can we get some blog security, Gnome? Or is that too 2011 for you?

  • In reply to Doc Nitty 34:

    indeed my good doctor, indeed.

  • In reply to Doc Nitty 34:

    Way to sniff that one out Doc! I was just testing you guys! Ya'll know I'm legal like a beagle!

    I would never try to stick it to "the man"!

    Although, it is a load of a load of hawg warsh that I pay $300+ for this f'ing Sunday Ticket and I don't get to watch my mmmmBearssss live in preseason. IMHO.

    Lookin' forward to clickin' on those links, I mean, IGNORING those links.

    Lets get a quick score on the board from the 1's, huh?

  • Five days until my Sunday Ticket gets installed.


    It was nice to fall asleep to the first preseason game of the year in my La-Z-Boy recliner last night. I watched long enough to see Okung get carted off.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Agreed Posse. There is nothing like falling asleep in my recliner while watching football. I even napped during some bears games in 2009. Don't get to do that too much now that I have kids. Back when I had roommates, I fell asleep in my recliner watching basketball and my female roommate turned off the t.v. I woke up instantly and groggily berated her.

    Just read the end of the previous thread. Irish. So sorry mang. I learned of a Russian tradition that I hope to employ myself, but hopefully not too soon. When a loved one dies, they mourn him/her briefly, as we all do. But instead of visiting a grave and mourning the person every anniversary of their death, they instead, celebrate the persons life on their birthday. Safe travels and sincere condolences, my virtual friend.

    Off for a night of live music, cycling, and jamming.

    Bear Down.

  • 2 Condom's walk into a bar. They look around and realize it's a gay bar. The one condom say's to the other....Look's like we're getting shitfaced tonight

  • Sick yet hillarious.

  • In reply to Bears85Grogan23:

    That epitomizes Coach for ya. Where you been all my life.

  • If I'm a part owner, what I'm thinking is we should initiate a trade to send Rodgers down to the Bears."

    Even the President knows what the deal is...


    January 23rd 2011

  • In reply to January23rd2011:

    Part owner of what you asshole? Go back to the barn and service some sheep you asshole.....................lololol........GO BEARS!!!!!!!!!!!

  • In reply to #16 Bears Fan:


    Please do yourself a favor & punch yourself in the face repeatedly, then go seek an education ASAP.


    January 23rd 2011

    P.S. Defending NFC Conference Champs!

  • Here's my take from what I've seen tonight.

    1. Be concerned about the Lions.
    2. The Bengals suck really really bad.
    3. Orton's the man.
    4. Sexy Rexy may very well start in the NFL again.
    5. Suckatansky is a douche.

  • In reply to BigDaddy:

    Good for Rex. Good for Kyle. Both of those guys have always been class acts in my book, under extreme (and IMO frequently uncalled for) conditions.

    Who the fuck cares about the Bengals? I'll concern myself with the Lions only in the weeks they play the Bears, root disinterestedly in them taking away games from the Pack, and otherwise only concern myself if they are in the race after 10 games.

    WTF is Suckatansky? Yes today's post is crude... I've been up all night, so what? =)

  • In reply to Michael L:

    Suckatansky is the troll that visits us from time to time.

  • I’m just about to bow to the disgust of being forced to watch the fucking seahawks AND the chiefs games on successive days. Jesus, the CIA should employ such cruel methods in their secret ‘interrogation’ houses, alas these are most certainly in non-compliance with the Geneva Convention.

    I think I may have to bite the bullet and get the Direct. I don’t give a shit about the cost (it will be WELL worth it to see our bears on HD every single glorious weekend… and equally glorious not to have to watch the fucking chargers), it’s just all the hassle… and the need to finally throw down on that 70” sharp I’ve had my eye on (0% for 36 months). We’ll see. I’m not sure I have the wherewithal to deal with those guys for a week before they get it right.

    btw, I think it would bend the laws of physics if the chiefs sucked any more. I know it's only preseason but man they are tough to watch.

    Oh, and Michael… fuck rex grossman… fuck him right in the face.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    ..and I'm getting this for my mancave damn it:

    "Yeah, I have pets. Jellyfuckingfish actually. Names? yeah, they have names....

    walter, dick, and mike... mike fucking brown"

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I just go hang out at the pier to watch those...

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    you have... a... pier... in your mancave!!!!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Close - we get jellys all the way up in the creek behind our house when it gets really hot - the water is brackish, and gets really high saline levels when it tops 100 here.
    There's a saltwater pier about a mile away.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Where do jellyfish fit into the food chain? If we removed jellies from existence what is the cost to life on earth? I know they're potentially 'beautiful' but they are equivalent to the Packers on my likeability-index of natural life.

    Large spiders. Cheney. Rumsfeld. Federal Reserve. Packers. Jellyfish. Hate em.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    The kicker:

    You can only stream the games to a tv anywhere, if you have the dish based service and the dvr. So you pay $335 for the Ticket, and that buys you the privilege of getting to spend another $50 to stream it via IP.

    So basically $400 a year plus whatever boomerang contract DirecTV locks you into.

    That is not my idea of a deal.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    It is if I'm not paying for it.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Am I in a contract? Yes.
    Am I paying $400 this year? Nope. And DirectTV is a major discount over the first 12 months vs. the Cox cable costs, without, mind you, the NFL package.
    The real tipping point for me was the realization that b/c I'm in the East Coast market now, I was going to be condemned to a season of watching Redskins and Giants games OR going to a sports bar and dropping $30 3 out of 4 weekends a month.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    In my market, and because my PC has a 32" LCD for a monitor so I'll just watch To-Go in here, I'm going with 2 receivers and DVR - my averaged cost over the two year span will work out to @ $50 a month for year one and $100 a month for year two. At $75 a month, I'm saving about $55 a month on average over cable here for service to the same number of TV's AND I get the full, including To-Go, version of Sunday Ticket this year.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    MB, gotta disagree with you right there my friend. I'll always root for Sexy Rexy. That guy got a bum deal in chi-town but remained a class act throughout. I'm in the camp that says although he didn't have a good game by any measure against the colts in miami, our defense was equally at fault for the loss. I wonder how things would've went the following year had we kept Thomas Jones.

  • In reply to ben in norcal:

    And how bout that performance he put on vs the cowgirls last year with none other than D. Ware in his face the whole time, he threw 4 TD's in that one, although they did fall short, what a comeback though.

  • In reply to ben in norcal:

  • In reply to ben in norcal:

    Ah ... T.J .....

  • +100 blogfader...

    between LDL keeping the experiment rolling and the NOT FOR this LEAGUE" aka NFL ......... Hess is FU!@$#!@$K!!! .......great are we going to take the record and the ball out of Canton now :( this new rule bites..... ugh.

  • watching the broncos cowboys replay and my initial thought was that Rob Ryan will be dead in less than 5 years. what a whale ass fatty he is.

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    Oh brother! What a SLOB he is. Talk about "letting yourself go"!

    How could anyone want him representing their organization?

  • Saw 1st Q of Broncos - Cowboys.

    Man. Tebow sucks.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Yeah he sure sucks boy oh boy:

    Tebow 6/7 91 yds 0 tds 0 ints
    Orton 2/6 37 yds 0 tds 0 ints

    Yet everyone on this blog is an Orton lover. This is the same guy who couldn't beat Grossman out in camp. Not once. (Everyone on this blog also HATES Grossman). Oh well Grossman will have the last laugh, better coach and will keep his job longer than K.O.

  • In reply to A7Xthebest:

    Nice. Not only do you come here to piss all over our blog, but you compare PRESEASON stats from one fucking game to make a ridiculous conclusion. Tebow wouldn't stand a chance with the likes of Ware and Ratliff bearing down on him with the game on the line. These games mean absolutely nill. You've just proven yourself to be one of those dumbasses who cries for the second string QB to finally get his chance after seeing what he just did to the opposition's 2nd best. The real games can't get here soon enough. Go home.

  • In reply to ben in norcal:

    i don't know Ben, i think A7 is a huge Cutler supporter and that makes him cool with me. I thought Orton did a good job last year and didn't understand how Tebow could even be considered for the job unless her earned it.
    Tebow hasn't shown himself to be better in practice but a couple more 6/7 type game performances albeit against the second team and he may get a bigger role during the season.
    I do agree that against the first string things could be really different.
    I loved Rex and thought he showed a lot of heart while in Chicago but Orton was the better qb when it came down to it. at the time we needed a game manager and he was the best manager at the time.
    Now we need a game changer and that is why we brought in Cutty. Maybe people in Denver think the same thing about Tebow and that he may provide a little more firepower but it is hard to argue iwth Orton's stats from last year even witout Marshall.
    What do i know though, it's 5 am and i've been up since 1am with a 1yr old that just wants to atempt somersaults in her crib and walk around yelling daddy instead of going to sleep.

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    brutal mang... you up for another 2-3 years of that? Starting from square one again? How about you doc?

    Fuck, I can't do it anymore. No way. And both my kids were/are insanely good sleepers from about 2.5 months on, thanks to the wife. I still couldn't do it again.

    You are basically a prisoner for 3 years with each new kid. sorry, that was a selfish rant that probably scared the hell out of you two again (wasn't someone else having another kid?).

    Man it's hard to get protected when the wife is coming at you on fire. Mother Nature's a biatch.

  • In reply to ben in norcal:

    I'm sick and tired of people that get called names for sharing their opinion. C'mon man, you can do better than that ben. He does make some points.

    And to address something 7 wrote. I don't hate Grossman. I just hated having my heart ripped out every time he fumbled, stumbled or bumbled in a must win situation.

  • In reply to BigDaddy:

    Meh, that was pretty tame trac. And I pretty much agree with Ben... It's always hard for me to tell if A7 is a bears fan or a troll who comes here and is always kind of a disrespectful dick in his posts. Not a fan of that when you come and post once or twice every 6 months.

    Oh, and A7... seriously man? Rex over orton? Dude... Rex didn't win anything but the lovie smith wrong contract sweepstakes, which you must know by now (until last year), had more to do with the inane contract he'd given you, rather than you earning and/or keeping the roster spot. Orton is by FAR the better QB. (

    And don’t get me started on Tebow. Jesus (no pun), the dude is a great athlete and probably one helluva guy, but he’d be an upgrade in Miami (well, anyone would) not in Denver.

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  • In reply to A7Xthebest:

    Grossman never legitimately beat out Orton in any preseason. They went with midgi Grossman because of the pressures of picking him in the first round. Short, plus lacking mobility, plus small circus hands just won't pan out in the NFL for a QB. I garauntee Orton remains the starter longer than Grossman. Orton can actually see over his line, has quicker feet and is just plain smarter under pressure that Grossman. I hate him so much I can't write his firt name.

    Tebow and Grossman will forever suck donkeys. Orton, while not having all the physical tools, has the skills to be a consisitently good QB in the league.

  • In reply to Crown:

    I concur on who the better qb was for the Bears. Orton, hands down. Grossman will always be the backup to the backup in most situations. He's fighting for his football life and maybe he has learned something over the years but I don't think I would feel comfortable counting on him to get my team to the playoffs. I could be wrong but I doubt it. They say that after 4 or 5 years the game slows down and qb's learn to read defenses much better but I guess I'll have to see it to believe it first.

  • Scrappy already makin plays for the lions:

    "Newcomer Rashied Davis made an immediate impact, recovering a fumble on the ensuing kickoff."

    Good job scrappy.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    The SOB is scrappy.

  • Sf's line looking familiar for some reason... can't really place it... hmmmmm:

  • It would be nice if the Bears were as good at finding and developing O lineman as they are at punters and smurfs.

  • I don't suppose anyone knows where I can get a stream for watching the games on my computer do they. At least not ridiculously expensive anyway. Free would be nice . The feds shut down the one I've been using for the last 2 yrs

  • In reply to MaddBearfan:

    Psssst. The operative word is "sopcast". Google is your friend. The Black Rhino only comes out at night. Umbrellas are good in rain.

    Seriously.... google sopcast

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Once your computer can support the sop:// URI format, let me know and I shall impart thy next clue.

  • I guess A7 is a Rick Perry zombie or something, because only a red stater would watch this quarter and not see what I saw:

    Go get that file and watch it. He had two picks called back due to direct intervention from penalties, or the hand of God, depending on which side of the Mason Dixon line you live on...

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