Quick Audibles From the Long Snapper

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HOW TO GET THE BALL TO ROY WILLIAMS

Matt Bowen does a brilliant job breaking down the Mike Martz "deep dig" - a play designed to get the ball to Roy Williams in the current offense.  (Image of the play above.)  Click the link and read the story.  It is one of those great insider article we rarely find in the paper anymore.

TAYLOR MAYS ON BEARS RADAR

PFT reports the Bears made an offer to the 49ers to acquire Taylor Mays - a big time talent at safety.  I contend the Bears do not have a third safety on this roster.  Acquiring Mays would solve this in a dramatic fashion.

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  • Did you say we're trying to get Taylor Mays??!?

    That would be the very first time I actually loved angelo... for you know, like a few seconds. Booyah baby!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Ok, so I calmed down and read the article.

    I am SHOCKED that jerry lowballed again and got told to fuck off. What a shocker. I am beginning to believe that he keeps doing these just to make it looks like he’s fucking trying to do something… ANYFUCKINGTHING. Jesus fucking chris angelo, you couldn’t throw in a coke with your offer of a ham samich you buffoon?!?

    Joking aside, SF publically wanted to dump mays and we can’t make them an offer that jerry AND SF thinks is ‘good enough value’? Honestly? I get being value focused, but Jerry Angelo has fucked this team’s future using the absolute extreme of that premise (i.e., NOT picking up players of true value because… holy shit… great players either cost you lots of money or lots of draft currency (i.e., 1st rders)) for too many years. Retreads and late draft pick diamonds are a rare find, and jerry ain’t the guy to find them.

    Viva, I fret that unfortunately you’ll be forced to accept that very sad truth in the coming months.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    oh, and read some of the comments on that story... some are hilarious... painful and true, but hilarious.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Why overpay out of the gate for Taylor Mays? It ain't over, Daddio. If other teams show interest and the 49ers exercise due diligence, they will ask the Bears to increase their offer.

    I'd love to have that guy on our team.

  • In reply to Viva:

    common viva. they were giving him away for free on the corner of ash and height a couple weeks ago. Put his ass out there with a sign that read, "FREE... will work for INTs".

    Classic angelo... “oh, yeah, sure... we tried to upgrade at safety, but you know dey were asking too much. I mean, sheesh... a ham sanmich AND a coke? Dat's just waaaay too expensive for dis organization! We try to base all of our acquisitions on da value der. You know... oh, da cap sapce? Yeah, we have about $19M left, but you know... a sandwich AND a coke. Camman now!

    Look, at least we tried right? You can read all the reports, I made da effort right? Dat's what good GMs in the NFL do... they do der best there. So anyway, we like da guys we have back der anyway. We're pretty much all set at safety.”

    I promise you’ll read next week that fucking philly picked him up for $750,000/year in a one year deal. Fuck me.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Seriously, you're way overreacting here.

    Isn't it more probable that SF is just looking for too much compensation, given that no other team has secured a deal either? I mean it isn't exactly as if 31 other teams are all set at safety.

    As Viva says too, it isn't over yet. SF needs to find out what the market is, and this isn't a desperate situation where the Bears have to have the guy (in which case overpaying might be in order to make sure you get him).

    All that said, I'm not sure he's as elite a safety at the NFL level as you guys think. Remember his own college coach Carroll passed on him in the draft, and has shown no interest in acquiring him from SF either. He seems to have issues in coverage _and_ in tackling too, so this isn't exactly a slam dunk... even for a 3rd safety. Also why the hate on Conte (or is it Harris?) Jeff? Word out of camp is that he's looked pretty good with the 2nd unit, and occasional 1st team reps.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    (It is claiming I have duplicate comment, even though it's not showing my first comment so... adding this prelude to defeat the dup detection)

    Seriously, you're way overreacting here.

    Isn't it more probable that SF is just looking for too much compensation, given that no other team has secured a deal either? I mean it isn't exactly as if 31 other teams are all set at safety.

    As Viva says too, it isn't over yet. SF needs to find out what the market is, and this isn't a desperate situation where the Bears have to have the guy (in which case overpaying might be in order to make sure you get him).

    All that said, I'm not sure he's as elite a safety at the NFL level as you guys think. Remember his own college coach Carroll passed on him in the draft, and has shown no interest in acquiring him from SF either. He seems to have issues in coverage _and_ in tackling too, so this isn't exactly a slam dunk... even for a 3rd safety. Also why the hate on Conte (or is it Harris?) Jeff? Word out of camp is that he's looked pretty good with the 2nd unit, and occasional 1st team reps.

  • In reply to Michael L:

    No I'm not micahel. We need depth at safety – harris is old and major penis is injury prone… who’s after those two? A rookie? No thanks.

    A player is available, and of course we will not get him.

    Do I personally like Mays, yes. Do I think he's the second coming of DD or fencik... hell no, but we already passed on everyone else that was worth a shit. I get dude has issues, but so did manning and he panned out. I just want some depth. I think people are going to be shocked when our injury luck doesn’t show up for a second straight year and we start seeing the gaping holes left by angelo’s incompetence.

    Btw… I’ve read other reports that say that conte is a little better version of of the anti-peanut missile. Awesome.

    I appreciate all of your optimism, but at some point you guys are going to have to begrudgingly admit that Angelo is a terrible GM who doesn't fix the most critical gaps in our squad.... but damn, is our dline starting to look good!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Did Angelo once diddle your butthole without permision?

  • no, but he does it to my team every year.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Hah!

    Hey now, Julius Peppers was definitely a reach-around.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    but getting cutty and not addressing the oline in 4 years was a chest dump... donkey punch... coach... little help here...

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Touche, my friend, touche.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Speaking of holes .....ahem .... what about the one behind Urlacher that's been freaking me out for years ...um .... I mean the roster spot below him on the depth chart. If anyone else goes down, we've got somebody to go in and replace them. With Brian, as usual, we have nobody. As Brian goes, so goes the D.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    (text to defeat "duplicate" comment detection... ignore)

    Seriously, you're way overreacting here.

    Isn't it more probable that SF is just looking for too much compensation, given that no other team has secured a deal either? I mean it isn't exactly as if 31 other teams are all set at safety.

    As Viva says too, it isn't over yet. SF needs to find out what the market is, and this isn't a desperate situation where the Bears have to have the guy (in which case overpaying might be in order to make sure you get him).

    All that said, I'm not sure he's as elite a safety at the NFL level as you guys think. Remember his own college coach Carroll passed on him in the draft, and has shown no interest in acquiring him from SF either. He seems to have issues in coverage _and_ in tackling too, so this isn't exactly a slam dunk... even for a 3rd safety. Also why the hate on Conte (or is it Harris?) Jeff? Word out of camp is that he's looked pretty good with the 2nd unit, and occasional 1st team reps.

  • In reply to Michael L:

    Conte, Steltz, Wright, Harris - I don't think safety is as much of a concern as what's happening you-know-where ....

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Doesn't sound like they lowballed the Niners MB ... more like the Bears are just reaping the flak of the tampering case and the Ravens frak-up. I can't blame them for wanting to protect Briggsy, but the Ravens thing was a joke, and just points back at our front office being the culprits of yet another. The Niners just don't want to play ball with us.

    Can't help wondering if the Bears wanted to give Marinelli a shot at converting him to a Mike.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Might they lock him into the gym and groom him as Urlacher's replacement?

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    Irish... that is pure genius. I am all for that idea.

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    Yes, Irish. Your'e theories are intriguing to me. I'd like to subscribe to your newsletter.

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    That is what DeCicco is for...

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    Damn Dave, I didn't see DeCicco's stats - 6' 4" ? Sweet. They might like Mays more though, no harm in having both of 'em if we could spare the roster spots.

  • this guy... obviously love us: http://sports.espn.go.com/fantasy/football/ffl/story?page=nfldk2k11_32qBears

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    No need to even read the article... the site is enough to know what's in it.

  • hello... this thing on? Anyone here? Hello....

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Kinda lonely for you MB?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    See what would happen if we didn't feed trolls?

  • 6th bitches!

  • Yes! I've been recommending Bowen on here for a long time. He has great stuff -- both his running feature on the Trib (where he breaks down a Bears play like this every week) and both his breakdowns and analysis over at NFP (covering multiple teams, but definitely an emphasis on the Bears).

    I will admit he isn't the best prose writer by journalism standards, and also it can sometimes be difficult to follow what he's saying in technical parts... at least until you've picked up on some of the jargon (e.g. receivers are numbered from the outside in on _both_ sides -- so there are two "#1 receivers"). But the depth of his analysis and the thoroughness of the presentation is really unmatched anywhere... and to top it off he generally puts the information in context of league practices too, so you get an idea of how a play or philosophy compares/differs from how others do it.

    P.S. You guys see this? Merriman is denying it and there's no way to know if it's true or not since no charges are being filed, but:

    http://www.buffalosportsdaily.com/breaking-merriman-recently-busted-with-steroids/

  • http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/bears/post/_/id/4671368/dont-count-omiyale-out-at-left-tackle

    Someone give me a new dose of the Kool aid..

    Makes me sad inside.

  • In reply to Artoo:

    My heart won't let me read that Artoo, or even contemplate the idea ... although he'd be better than Webb, right? When do we get to see Levi Horn in action ?

  • Btw, if Taylor Mays is soooo gooood why are they getting rid of him again..?

  • In reply to Artoo:

    He can't tackle and he can't cover, but he does it in a fast and strong fashion. However, he would be a great sp teamer like gholston and a good - ahem - project. Maybe we can make him into a decent safety than let him walk like Manning.

    If memory serves me correct, he's about 6'2 238, and I was thinking like Irish, maybe move him to strong side LB after a gym marathon. Surely he can cover TEs in zone and hold a guy up until Lach and Briggs arrive(?)

  • In reply to 4ever85:

    I seen your last post about muscle memory. Here's a classic case of not practicing and losing your muscle memory. It's a hoax of course.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBzWHudBoiA&feature=related

  • In reply to 4ever85:

    I guess Rod could work with him on the tackling, and is hoping that if the D-line is as shit-hot as it looks like it's going to be ... then covering won't be all that necessary this year?

  • Fucking comment system... Lost the copy buffer too, so retyping this on memory:

    Yes! I've been recommending Bowen on here for a while now. I rec both his weekly feature at the Trib where he breaks down Bears plays just like this, and both his weekly breakdown and commentaries over at NFP (where he looks at multiple teams, but there's a definite Chicago emphasis).

    I will admit his prose writing style isn't up to the same journalism standards, and also it can sometimes be difficult to understand... at least until you've picked up on some of the jargon (e.g. on defense, receivers are numbered from the outside in on _both_ sides... so there are two #1 receivers). But the depth of his analysis, the specialty play and technique knowledge he has, and the thoroughness of the play details and presentation are really unmatched by any other sportswriter... To top it off, he usually puts the play in context so you can get an idea of how a play or philosophy compares/differs from others around the league.

    P.S. Have you guys seen this? Merriman denies it, and no one can really prove it true or false since no charges were filed, but:

    http://www.buffalosportsdaily.com/breaking-merriman-recently-busted-with-steroids/

  • Glad to see the ChicagoNow comment code is kicking ass and taking names this morning.

    Merriman is denying that the border stop resulted in anything but where there is smoke, there's fire. Or at least a needle in his butt.

  • No love for Craig "Anti-Plank" Steltz on DBB for the 2nd unit. Team him up with Conte and we can call them Starsky and Hutch!

  • In reply to gpldan:

    honkey and honkey?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Cheech and Chong ? The Donkey Kong Crew?

  • btw, danny woodhead got "waxed" last night: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=sSioBnAeXSg

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    It looked like gnome violence.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Ya hear that, Jimmy?

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Underpants gnomes?
    http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/151040/the-underpants-business
    Phase 1: collect underpants. Phase 2: ? Phase 3: Profit

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Who hit him? Was that a camp body trying to make a name for himself? I hope his is the first name on waivers, assmunch.

  • 9/11 is a Sunday and the NFL has home games for both the Giants and the Jets featured. I expect alot more than just a moment of silence.

    I have to think that this spurred a deal, not to be too too cynical, but had the NFL missed these dates with a lockout - the backlash would have been considerable.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Redskins play at home that day as well.

  • As for the deep dig, it has huge potential for an interception if the FS and two dropping linebackers 'stay at home' or read the QBs eyes - even if the CB completely whiffs. Also, it's predicated on - as Bowen says ... "With enough protection up front, this route can develop ...."

    Hmm. What about in our case ? Zero protection ... what then? I'd like the RB route a lot more if the TE turned left on his route.

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    Irish, that's the thing -- the QB doesn't just run the play like an automaton, he has to read the defense. The play is designed to exploit a Tampa-2/Cover-2 defense. If the FS sits, then they aren't in Tampa-2 -- so Jay will read that long before throwing it to that location. Also the nickel and SLB can't easily pick that ball if they sit -- the throw is 15 yards downfield.

    Also if you sent the TE to the left, it would destroy the design of the play. The short crossing route is there to drag the nickel away from the middle of the field which 1) clears a throwing lane to the dig, and 2) creates a wide open space for the RB to receive a check-down. By the time the RB gets there, the TE (and the N) will be long since gone.

    This really is a simple well-designed play for this defense. Fundamentally it puts stress on the FS, and requires both the MLB and FS to commit to deep drops to cover the W and X receivers who both appear to be on go routes. That makes the turn in at 15 yards (the "dig") very difficult for the defense to react to. It's not really risky at all, provided the QB follows his reads.

  • there's no way that the 49's would reject an offer from Bears just out of concern for the preceived dissing of the Ravens in the last Draft snafoo, or the 2 Harbaugh brothers nixing the deal. This is a bottom line league, and that would be nuts if truthful, but then again that 49's organization/team is a bunch of queefs (except for MLB Patrick W). Bummed that Louis is back at RG, was hoping his "illness" was really a camoufloged "demotion". This MNF Giants game should be entertaining, either for good or real bad reasons -- can't wait since will actually be able to see it on ESPN. Is Taylor Mays really any good? I really don't know.

  • In reply to GuinnessPlease:

    Paging Al Alfalfa. Put those rags down. Alfalfa to the courtesy phone. A man named Jerry is on the line.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    In hindsight, I'm glad I didn't spring for that custom Afalava jersey a couple of years ago.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I'm glad my son wanted the Forte jersey instead of the Olsen.

  • In reply to GuinnessPlease:

    A bunch of queefs !! Ahhhhhhhhhh !!!! :o)

  • Murph should be pleased he has Mark Ingram on his bench. It's looking like he's gonna get a lot of carries for the Saints.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    So do I (in DBB I), cause me and Murph are smart like that - I think he's going to be a very effective back for the Saints. Except against our front four, of course.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    of course... we're gonna have one helluva dline this year.

    ...Mission accomplished Jerry! (see how I did that MBP?)

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Sounds like a sleeper discussion to me. Okay, so I've got my beady eyes on Jacoby Ford WR, Rashad Jennings RB (MJD + knee), Andre Roberts WR (new #2 to Larry Fitz), Kellen Davis naturally, Ryan Williams RB (TB). Any ideas? What happens in Detroit's backfield? They could put up video game numbers this year.

  • O.K. Blogfader what you wan to kill MB!!!??????

    This thread has MB looking as though he took Viagra and the four hours have past and he still has a stiffy!!!!!!

    Hell if it last for more than four hours wife thinks I'm Superman!!!!!!

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    You think you're Erik?

  • In reply to Doc Nitty 34:

    errr, you're wife thinks you're Erik?

  • In reply to Doc Nitty 34:

    hehehehehehehehehehe

  • http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/19/bears-forte-have-dramatically-different-numbers/

    Interesting comments on this one. A Detroit fan pointed out that his team would be happy to pay Forte (and that would fill in one of the last pieces that team needs). Some comments are saying RBs shouldn't get paid big money because they are too replaceable and wear out quickly; others are saying this is another example of Angelo stinking it up.

    I'm curious what the numbers are. If you look at Kruetz, he really was overvaluing himself quiet a bit, even with the premium the Bears offered. If you look at Colon, we made the highest offer, but it wasn't enough of a pay raise. Forte is playing and practicing, and he's only been great 2 out of 3 years with the team. Depending on the numbers, I could see him over-reaching as well.

    On the flip side, we've got waaaay too much cap space at this point in the season for this to be an issue, especially under the new rules. They can promise Forte a $5 million signing bonus this year and still have tons of space... They can even match the deal Chester Taylor got last year (wasn't it like $8 million?) What's preventing a deal?

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    Backs need to make their money while they can. And good ones can be hard to find, no Bear fan needs to be told that.

    Rashaan Salaam?
    Curtis Enis?

  • In reply to gpldan:

    GP....again Ginny throwing nickels around like manhole covers....and I'm not talking about her tampax (man-holecovers).

    Even when double deuce was nicked up he still produced good numbers!!

    GINNY JUST PAY HIM WHAT HE IS OWED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    If I had to guess (I don't, but I'm going to anyway), I'd say the Bears "brain trust" is waiting to see who gets cut on various teams and keeping options open for a shopping spree. It would fit the philosophy we've seen over the past several years.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    SC...ain't that the truth....ugh:(

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    The way I see it with Forte making shapes : Chester is having a great camp, allegedly. Barbarian certainly is, and that dude can flat block people as well as run over and around them. Bell is no pussy either. Tofu is blocking and running as per. Ungabunga is still in there, and Eddie Williams is a great blocker from what I saw opf him on Roy's vidz. Right now I don't see Forte holding too many cards, and the front office looks to be in no rush to sign him. He has Angela's "word" that they'll look after him, which is a bit like MJ offering to babysit.

    And speaking of Roy's breakdowns ... it's over baby. It's all over. Those little shits at the NFL said "no more". From his channel comments :

    sportsfansnetwork (12 hours ago)

    I can not do any more film room videos as one of my videos was flagged, presumably by someone related to the NFL and/or team. I will still do perspective videos and share my analysis from breaking down games, I just won't be able to show you the exact plays from the game per se. I'll use graphics when necessary.

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    Crapola!! They took his vidz down man. The Breakdowns are gone!! If there's anyone out there who didn't see the Chris Spencer breakdown then you probably think we still have a center. We don't. He blows. Like the NFL legal bods. That is just gates. So why doesn't everyone who has the NFL in its videos get bounced? That sucks.

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    This is all they left from recent times - the pre-pre-season assessment.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrWW_rvsIQY

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    That is lame. They should be hiring him.

  • Aaahh. Watchin the Ravens vs Chiefs and seeing Billy Cundiff sailing 2 straight kickoffs deep past endzone. Heard him on an interview on local MD station laughing about kicking from 35 out, saying how it will really change dynamic of the game. The kids got distance, wonder what % of kicks Gould will sail out of endzone. Yeah I know this is old chatter issue, but this new kick rule sure sucks donkey dicks.

  • In reply to GuinnessPlease:

    I'm watching the Mia v Car game.

    1) Bush looks good (insert joke here). I have him on my bench for FF. Only worry, for goal line, they used everyone but Bush to score, and they ran it 4 straight times.

    2) Marshall got over being shanked. We should have got him while there was some doubt - I know I got him - on my FF team.

    3) Pouncey pushes everyone backward (cringe). He's going to be a Prowbowler within 2 years. However, Carimi's no chump, and fell to us, so this will be an interesting little side story.

    4) I'm beginning to change my mind about Newton. He doesn't look great, but he looks in control and only runs when the play breaks down. Mia is blitzing the hell out of him, and he's handling it ok.

    5) Olsen will catch 50 rec. If he doesn't, it's only because Bitch Shockey takes away some catches.

  • In reply to 4ever85:

    Hence why Olsen is going to be my starting TE this year.

  • In reply to 4ever85:

    Olsen will probably have huge FF numbers....

  • In reply to gpldan:

    maybe Rivera will be our next Coach. It will be interesting to see how he does in NC. I doubt he'll moon his players.....

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Am I detecting sarcasm boys? Didn't see the game, but didn't Newton get snuffed out?

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    Nope, you have a young QB who is going to be checking down to the TE -alot- in my opinion. And we know a) Olsen can catch the ball, and b) he's going to get alot of snaps.

  • In reply to 4ever85:

    Yup, we should have squared Marshall away for a second rounder when he was on the table, AND traded up for Pouncey, using next years' picks.

  • Hey, is this like the Gulf of Tonkin (or, if you are Irish, 9/11) ?

    Can we nuke them now?

    http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=6874551

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I'll disassociate myself from that comment GP. The facts are all in on the Gulf of Tonkin - that was a bald-faced lie to get the Vietnam war started - what they said happened never happened. but I said no such thing on 9/11. There are lots of questions to be answered about that days' events, free-falling buildings, thermite etc. They are lying about certain things, but I stopped short of saying anything I can't back up. Fair's fair bro.

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    Fair enough. I think the Hoyas should invite the Chinese military team to Georgetown for a rematch and then set them loose in the city. They won't come back.

  • Thomas Jones puts the rook down for being a punk...
    http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=6877972

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Baldwin did his wrist in? Ouch.

  • no conte? no endelenderlen?

    http://nfl.si.com/2011/08/19/late-draft-gems-already-shining-for-nfl-teams/#more-255?xid=cnnbin

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    The fucking Browns and Niners took two 5th rounders at guard and slid them into their respective starting lineups?

    Hold on for a sec...

    AAAUUUUHUAHUAHAUHAUAHAAHDUHSJKHJKACQCDL !!!!!!!!!

    God dammit.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Noticed that too. God. Dammit. Jerrah.

    Lance Louis should be running a Mr. Clucks Chicken Shack.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    ...or perhaps it just says something about the quality of their starting lines.

  • In reply to Michael L:

    as opposed to the one that gave up a league leading number of sacks last year? I'm just sayin'.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Seriously. Michael, you're a smart guy, and a smart football guy... what's with the over abundance of unearned love and positivity for this line and the ahole who keeps neglecting it??

    I know my contempt gets the best of me and I go overboard sometimes, but most of the time if it looks like shit and it smells like shit... and it has PROVEN to play like shit for three years running... guess what my man... yes, that's right... it is shit.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    It's not love... it's restrained hate =).

    It's also not positivity but recognizing they charted a course (i.e. develop the guys that Tice believes in) and waiting for more indicative feedback before making a premature judgment.

    We all thought we'd be fine on OL after the SB, and look how that turned out. Most people thought the line would be a disaster and it would be a lost season after the NYG game + the next 3 games last year... and look how that turned out. I'm saying that it's too early to judge anything yet.

  • In reply to Michael L:

    I agree with you on most points, but saying that the reason those two teams could find starting guards in late rounds and we didn't is due to the quality of their o-lines?
    That doesn't make sense.

    And for the record, I do think we're going to be fine if we establish the guys at the interior positions. Louis better wake the f up before Monday night or it's going to be a short stint in the starting line up for him.

  • In reply to Michael L:

    They definitely screwed the pooch with Kreutz though. I can't believe the Bears were envisioning entering this season without their main man at center, and vice versa. They would have addressed it during the draft - instead of hiring a goon from the Seahawks and moving our guard to center. That's not a plan that's a monumental frak-up. No doubt Tice is gnawing the back of his hand wondering why he took this job with the mufties in charge here.

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    Yeah, they did. But at the same time, not all the fault is on the organization. Sounds like Kreutz's agent or Kreutz took a pretty poor approach.

    I mean at a certain point you can't blame them for delivering an ultimatum -- if they waited any longer they may have lost Kreutz _and_ had nobody to bring in. It's just a damn shame it went down that way...

  • Feeling alot better about not chasing Osi.

    3 practices and he's getting his knee scoped.

    I'm not sure who is more relieved: Jay or our LT of the week.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I dunno MBP, I kind of got the feeling it was more of a fuck you to the giants than a must have surgery. I don't know, maybe I'm wrong.

    Also, does this story make anyone else nervous: http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcnorth/post/_/id/30071/matt-forte-could-face-line-in-the-sand

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    No, I think the knee needed scoping, he knew it, and that was his attempt at going for a payday.

  • DBB Question of the week:

    You go to the Apple store and find out Steve Jobs has assembled a one hour compilation highlight video of every pro bowler who ever played the game, ever. They cost 99 cents for your ipod.

    You have 4 bucks in your pocket. You go to the genius bar and get 4 iTunes credits or whatever the hell you do there, and... who do you pick?

    I'll just spot you Barry Sanders and Earl Campbell. Those are a given. Next 2?

  • In reply to gpldan:

    And yes, I left Sweetness out because I assume you all already own Sweetness highlight tapes and have already converted them to MPEG.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Gale Sayers is an automatic.
    The fourth is tougher.
    Bo Jackson?
    Both of them had such short careers, I'd probably get them as a 2-for-1 and still have $1 left over for a defensive player like Lott, Butkus, LT, Lach, or the inimitable Mike Brown.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Jim Brown. Bo Jackson. O.J. Simpson? Dude could run.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Dick Butkus

  • Just curious, any Dead Heads in Da Bears Blog family? Heading out to hear some friends cover the Dead til bar time, and they are no chumps.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVdTQ3OPtGY

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    Will they be on humongous doses of lysergic acid ?

  • The Hammond B-3 house organ is out, so some ABB with also be played.

  • Screw it, GPL, I'd spend my ITunes money on a one-hour loop of this:
    http://www.liquidgeneration.com/The-Grabowski-Shuffle

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Bahahaha.

    Good 'ol Valerie Grabowski. Crown did her.

  • Bearrssssssssss

    In San Diego for the weekend, I got some uncles from my ma side comin down to party. Cant wait to here some news from a real legit chicagoan. Got some of that california homegrown. I super stoned right now, I just felt let say whasssupp.

  • uncles are comin from Chicago*

  • Pass that over here Fres, don't bogart that shit ....

  • Dam dude I read my post over and I sounded like an immigrant fuck haha

    yall just fill in the in between words that i missed

  • Haven't posted in a while but have been religiously reading every last post laughing my ass off throughout the whole read. Needless to say, I should have been studying for my Med School Step 1 Boards that I have already postponed 2 months because of this shit. Pass some over here as well Fres. I definitely need some after learning about little pinworms that chill up in your asshole and everynight crawl out and lay their eggs around your asshole, before retreating to the safety of their warm dark home. So basically you wake up and go throughout the day with a really intense itchy asshole. The next night they do it all over again. Actually that's pretty similar to my relationship with Angelo.

  • In reply to Babootycall:

    This was a picture taken of Angelo at the Bills game, strangely

    http://pressthebuttons.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83452033569e2011571153030970c-800wi

  • In reply to Babootycall:

    Pinworms ? Angela and his bum-chum Ted Phillips .... The Pinworms! Thanks dude! Angela and Phillips are pinworms in the Bears' collective anus. Brilliant.

  • Maybe we too should consider starting our rook at LT like the Colts.

    http://www.profootballweekly.com/2011/08/19/colts-rookie-olt-castonzo-coming-on-strong

  • In reply to 4ever85:

    Damn straight, 85. Our best lineman should be oin Cutty's blind-side. Period. Tehy draft the right guy and then put him in the wrong spot. Our front office and HC are a clusterfuck.

  • NB, loboto, SC -- the word is that Forte's agent (who is also MJD's agent) is trying to use DeAngelo Williams's contract as a framework. So no we're talking about a lot more than a $5M signing bonus.

    Williams got $43M over 5 years, $21M guaranteed, including a $16M signing bonus and $5M of his 2nd year base salary guaranteed.

    It may suit your guys' image of ownership and the FO to say they are being the unreasonable ones, but if that's what Forte's camp is really trying for... then they are the ones out to lunch right now. The Panthers way overpaid in a cap-less year for the only decent player they had. Forte is good (maybe even great) but no RB is going to get that kind of paper.

  • In reply to Michael L:

    I posted the comment from Forte's agent that he wants to use DW's contract "as a framework" about 7 threads ago, and said the same thing you did: he's high. Carolina revealed why it won't win with that deal, they got robbed.

  • In reply to Michael L:

    Especially when they can't pass-block or run over people. Sorry Matt.

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    I'll even go so far as to say Thomas Jones "was" a better RB than Forte has been up till this point. I wouldn't be surprised if Matt eventually ends up becoming a better back than him but the jury is still out. We shall see.

  • Let me take the gloves off concerning Forte. Don't get me wrong, I like him and I'm glad we have him. Having said that, I don't think he's worth breaking the bank on. He's one of those running backs that can't produce on his own and has to have scheme or talent around him to succeed. Sorry that's just how I feel about him. If his agent wants to play hardball then I will not have a problem saying goodbye. I'll take a hungry guy like Bell with potential over an overpriced running back that demands way more than he's worth at the expense of their team. Forte has been a positive contributor to a team that has had few bright spots on the offense over the last several years but let's face it, he's not special.

  • In reply to BigDaddy:

    That's probably the most ignorant post I have ever read of this blog.

    This was just last year, with that offensive line:

    http://youtu.be/ULbBHuigNZ0

    looking forward to seeing you sing #22's praises by week 2

  • In reply to Crown:

    If you constantly look for opportunities to be an ass Crown, you will find them. It's my opinion. I didn't roast the guy, just stated my opinion. I would much rather pay for an O-lineman or a corner that's worth the dough than a RB that arguably isn't a superstar. When he displays superstar production, then fine, I have no problem paying the man. I just have a problem paying a guy superstar salary before he is one.

  • In reply to BigDaddy:

    He'll get paid, but paid when it's time to get paid ....

  • In reply to Crown:

    Wow, that vid is pretty inspiring. Forte really doesn't get the acknowledgment he deserves.

    That vid didn't even include some of his most impressive plays (he didn't have film of all the games), but you can't watch it and not be impressed by the amount of heart he runs with. And the open field skills he's got. It also just doesn't get said enough how good of a receiver he is -- he can line up wide and run real routes and use WR techniques. He doesn't run just wheel, flare, flat, or drag routes like 95% of RBs in the league.

  • In reply to BigDaddy:

    Last year, Forte got back his speed. And his speed is considerable. This is a guy who, on the first game of the season 3 years ago, against the Colts, broke an 80 yarder and put an in-his-prime Bob Sanders into the dust.

    Last year, he showed flashes of pure speed that nobody else on our team has. That big run that Bell had against the Bills a few days ago? Forte would have broke that for a TD.

    He has skillz. I'd love to keep him. But a DW type deal blows all of our remaining cap space out and is bad to for the club.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    It was a 50-yarder, but yeah it was a sweet play. Also I'm not sure the safety he juked was Sanders, I feel like it was someone else.

  • In reply to Michael L:

    He juked whoever was #41 in 2008. Sanders had the angle to the corner and Forte just out ran it.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1De48tvrdk

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Check out the Forte runs here at 2:23
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5nZdHHhj9U

    Tell me how Chester Taylor or Barber make those runs. Let's not kid ourselves, speed kills.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Or heck, how about that beautiful catch & run at 0:39? No question he's got game in space. Plus phenomenal receiving ability outside the numbers, like at 5:27.

    However don't discount Barber either. The guy is a beast, and he can make stuff happen at the 2nd level just through sheer power. His best days might be behind him, but I've seen him pull out some amazing plays too.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Running is well and good, but when it's time to stick your head in there and pass-block, Barber has the edge every time, plus he can bang people backwards. But it's not so much a competition, I like the way they complement each other. We have Forte as a receiver and for the outside stuff, Barbarian and the FBs for the hard yards. Big line.It's all good.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Bell broke a 76 yarder on his first ever run inthe NFL, but he never gets any love. We don't know what we have there yet. Chester is having a great camp according to Lovie. Barber is an awesome pass-blocker and just plain runs over people. Ditto Eddie williams and Tofu, who are also good blockers.

    I think Forte is just betting large in early position when others are holding decent hands. I think that's basically also what BD is saying. People are saying pay the man what he's owed - but as far as I can tell, he is getting paid what he's owed. Whatever happened to honoring contracts?Ted Phillips is a bean counter. He's most likely not going to pay Forte until he has to.

    Do we want to lose Matt? Nope. And we're not going to lose him either - he's not stupid enough to sit out when he's under contract. And if he is, they might just let him sit .. .or trade his ass for a decent young guard.

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    Nobody said he isn't honoring his contract. He hasn't even threatened to hold out of the season -- even if he did, I doubt he would.

    It's pretty much standard practice these days to extend contracts entering into the final year, at least for anyone you really want to keep. The Bears say they want to, and obviously Forte wants to... the only sticking point is over exactly how much money.

  • In reply to BigDaddy:

    Well I think he could be special, but it'll take a couple more years to see -- ideally with offensive system continuity. The special ones aren't just the ones that produce when the team is bad/mediocre -- they also shine brightest when things are set up for them. We haven't had the stability on offense yet to judge that about Forte yet, but I'm hoping we will over the next few years.

    That said, nobody is saying goodbye to Forte this year (unless he actually holds out this season -- which he'd be an idiot to do) or even next year in all likelihood. If Forte continues to perform, the team always has the option to franchise tag him. That is essentially why Forte's agent wants the money now, and in a year where the Bears have the most flexibility to give him a huge contract. But it is also why the Bears have almost all the leverage.

    My gut feeling is that the side that needs to get real (and I think they will, eventually) is Forte's and not upper management. I'd say look for a bit more posturing from Forte's side, then either a deal right before the season opens or around week 10 after a long silent period.

  • In reply to Michael L:

    I agree with you Michael. I just think that he has a way to go before he's worth the "BigDaddy Warbucks" numbers some here seem to think he's worth.

  • In reply to BigDaddy:

    Well, I just hope Matt's agent is paying for an insurance contract that will set Matt up for life if he gets hurt before getting big dinero and can't play any more.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    It doesn't really work like that. If you were an insurance company would you insure a football player for a career-ending/limiting injury?

  • In reply to Michael L:

    Depends on the premiums they're willing to pay.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Exactly. They did with Joe Theismann, after all.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    I don't know the details with Joe, but I'm guessing he had a much more well-defined market value -- either pre-established or a very good idea where he fell amongst his peers -- as well as less evaluation risk -- i.e. a longer track record.

    Also career ending injury rates for QBs were probably fairly well understood even in Joe's time. By contrast, RBs quickly drop off in effectiveness (and thus value) due to all manner of injuries and sometimes even for no discernable reason at all. Look at Shaun Alexander, Priest Holmes, LT, LJ, Michael Turner, Willie Parker, etc, etc... all extremely productive big-money guys whose production fell precipitously without a play that you would have identified as career-ending when you saw it.

    When you take all those factors into account, I suspect there's no way any offered premium would make sense to take up for any type of RB insurance policy. Plus not to mention the dollar value of today's contracts versus in the 80s. I mean shit, Dent was going to hold out prior to the '85 season until management relented and gave him a $90k contract.

  • I hate to use this source but this is basically what I meant when I said Forte isn't special. If Forte could punch it in near to the goal line then the Bears wouldn't have drafted Unga or signed Barber. It's not that teams don't want depth it, it's just that the whole reason I feel the Bears made those moves was because Forte has shown himself not to be able to move the pile near the goal line. Again, for those of you that think I'm saying Forte isn't a good back, that's not what I'm saying at all. I'm just saying that he's not a great back, yet.

    http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcnorth/post/_/id/19024/fortes-limitations-near-the-goal-line

  • In reply to BigDaddy:

    AP is all day, and LT had the Jets line to run behind. That is not a good stat. Most teams need a short yarder. You can make a limited NFL career out of being a bowling ball, Ron Dayne did.

    Knocking Forte because he is more Marcus Allen than Hershel Walker is just silly.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I'm not knocking him. Just saying that he still has some distance to go before he can command the big bucks in my eyes.

  • In reply to BigDaddy:

    Looking at the TD production of top backs Forte does come up short. His years with the Bears he has had 18 rushing TD's so he averages 6 rushing TD's per year. AP averages 13 per year. Foster had 16 last year, his first full season starting. Turner avg 13 per year since starting. Chris Johnson avg over 11. I am not sure what kind of money he is looking for but he is not at the same level as the top backs of the league. He is better than average but not top tier yet. I just wish players would shut up and honor their contracts instead of threatening to hold out to get it extended. It fucks up team chemistry and fosters hard feelings with the other players.

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    Murph, and all those other "honor thy contract" ppl, you guys must remember that owners cancel football contracts all the time, so it's ok for them but not for players to hold out for a fairer price? I just don't get that logic. But if you want a running argument on that, I suggest visiting the Bengal's blog lol

    As other's have mentioned, Forte and his agent are looking at DeAngelo William's contract of 40 mil, and I doubt any one on this Blog will argue that Forte is worth that.

    However, I think we can all agree that Forte should get paid more than his back-up.

    Forte, like Cutler, is on the fringe of elite, but not quite there and should get paid accordingly. Would I pay Cutler Peyton and Brady money? Hell no. And I wouldn't pay Forte AP, C.J. (or deluded D.Williams) money either. That would just be my estimation.

    Something along the lines of 25 mil, front loaded, with guarantees and incentives sounds about right.

    He runs for 10 touchdowns and 1,500 yds, super bonuses kick in.

    If Forte, C.J. and AP who are all grumbling decide to draw a line in the sand for all RBs (understandably), then that's a whole 'nother issue.

  • In reply to 4ever85:

    +1. "Honor the contract" just doesn't apply to today's football. If it did, teams wouldn't get to release players. I don't like holdouts, or selfish behavior, but I can't begrudge a player voicing displeasure over a contract.

    Plus, extending contracts before they expire is just good business. You lock up rights to a player before he has the opportunity to field offers from every team. If a team wants to extend a player (like the Bears have stated they wish to do with Forte), then they have to listen to his demands and negotiate a mutually agreeable contract. How else would you ("you" meaning "honor the contract" types) have them do it?

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I think Mike Tolbert of the Chargers had ten TDs last year, just bangin' em in.

  • In reply to BigDaddy:

    This is a RB by committee league. Almost every team has a finesse/versatile (can run and catch) guy and a banger guy. Forte's job isn't to punch it in from the 1. That will be barber's job. Even elite back's need good back-ups.

  • In reply to Crown:

    The concept of 350 to 400 touches for one guy is INSANE. Burning out RBs like crazy.

  • In reply to BigDaddy:

    Playing RB is multi-faceted, and no back is excellent at everything (although a few come very, very close *ahem* 34).

    That said, there's a school of thought (that I happen to largely agree with) that the first 2 yards of a run should primarily be attributed to the OL, and yards beyond that attributed to the RB. If you accept that, then all the failures from the 1 yard line must be pinned entirely on the run blocking and not on Forte.

    Even if you don't however, I wouldn't use one weak area to decide a player is not special.

  • In reply to Michael L:

    How many times have you seen Forte make something out of nothing? I grew up watching Walter play on Sundays. Every Sunday. That guy made guys miss, he lowered his head and punished defenders, he changed direction on a dime and when that didn't work he hurdled or dove over them. In goal line situations, he was expected to score when the line didn't get a 2 yard push and he made something outta nothing. That's what the special ones do. He changed direction on a dime and was the human highlight reel. Forte takes what you give him and does a good job of that but he is not elite. That's all I'm saying.

  • In reply to BigDaddy:

    Payton was not perfect, Trac. Too slow, for starters. Quick. yes. fast no. Got caught from behind often.

    If you want to put Bears RB against Payton, you are in for a lifetime of disappointment. Especially given the (forgive me) martyrdom factor of his early death.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    A knock on Sweetness? That must be a first on the blog, Dave. Nobody's perfect, it's true ... he was close to perfect though, and certainly not slow. Caught from behind often? No way. And I don't think dying in his forties made him a more revered back. He was - and remains - the best running back I've seen in 4 decades, probably the most complete football player ever, and he's the sole reason I'm a Bears fan.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    Sacriledge! Heretic!

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    Who are you, the Devil?

  • In reply to BigDaddy:

    Did you watch those highlight videos? It reminded me Forte has fought for those yards, dished out punishment, took extra punishment, and played with more heart than I gave him credit for.
    .
    And yes, of course the special ones do special things. But name another special RB that did what Sweetness did at the goal line -- yeah, there wasn't any other ones. Every special back has stuff that he does so well it makes you gasp. Has Forte made his signature? No, but that's why I said he _may_yet_ prove to be special -- it's too early to tell. But does he have the tools that 1) makes him productive now, and 2) gives him potential to be special? In my view, yes.
    .
    And yes, he has made something out of nothing. Watch the vids. Obviously he doesn't every time he touches the ball, but he has more potential than you seem to think.

  • With all the short yardage problems last year, I wonder if the Bears will keep a fullback this year. Sounds reasonable to me.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    This is what I'm most worried about. Losing some good guys. I hadn't seen Eddie Williams until the Bills game - but he was just straight flattening dudes as a lead blocker. Tofu the same. Barber excels at pass-blocking. In fact if anyone is lacking in the pass-blocking game it's Forte, albeit it's his only bad point, as GP said, Forte isn't the knock-em-over kind of back - he does the other things very well. Then we have Chester, and younger guys like Unga and Bell. I don't want to lose any of those guys, but we do need a bruiser to bang it in there. Didn't we keep two FBs last year?

    With the state of our OL and short our starting center, running the ball might be our only lifeline this year. We have a hell of a play-action QB if we can establish the run behind what is quite a large offensive line. As much as I get on Webb's tail, he's a big dude in the run-blocking game, and guys like Chris Williams and Lance Louis are pretty big for guards. I know Lance has looked dodgy in pass pro - but who hasn't other than Carimi. The thing about Louis that caught the scouts' eyes was always his mauling at the second level. So when you've got lemons ....

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    We need some Samoan sandwich. Unga and Tatufu.

    Seriously. We need a short yardage package, and did you see Unga pull a Iwo Jima in the Bills game? Damn that guy has power in his legs.

    I expect Unga will beat out Bell. I say we trade Bell once we get this Forte thing worked out for some OL talent.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    That's why we got Barber. He's a banger and can pick up that yard in short yardage.

    I'm thinking it will be: 1. Forte, 2. Barber, and 3. Bell (if he continue sto shine and Taylor continues to unimpress)

  • In reply to Crown:

    How many backs (rb +fb) do we normally keep? How many can we keep? I don't like the idea of losing Bell and keeping an older guy like Chester, although I like Chester. I'd like to keep two of those FBs too. Can we lose a couple of safeties please?

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    Pretty sure we'll keep 3. If Bell keeps running da rock like he has, he's more valuable than Taylor b/c he's a special teamer as well. Chester really needs to show up in these last 3 pre-season games if he wants to make da squad.

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    Yeah, I like our running backs too, but keeping Forte, Taylor, Bell, Unga, Barber + 2 FBs - 7 running backs? That's pretty unheard of.

    The Cards I think are suddenly out of RBs, so maybe we can trade Unga/Bell/Taylor for Fitz straight up!

    OK, a 3rd rounder.

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    You're crazy if you want to lose safeties... they already have durability question marks as it is. Plus they are already down 1 safety as compared to last year.

    Normally they keep 4 or 5 RBs (HB+FB). Last year I believe they kept 4 HB and no FBs for most of the season. Yep, though I guess they listed D.Clark as an H-Back.

    It's very possible they keep 4 HBs again this year, plus a FB.

  • In reply to Michael L:

    But Unga and Tofu were both on the roster last year, weren't they? Barber, Bell, Forte, Unga + Tofu. That's five, and then keep either Chester or EW.. Six. I don't care what other position has to suffer, we shouldn't give up more than one of those guys when we have crap O-linemen and crap safeties that could easily be replaced. If we are indeed going to be a running team - and I sincerely hope we are, given the strength of our line is run-blocking - then we need to devote more roster space to thos that carry the ball. Yay or nay?

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    No. Unga was put on IR (aka redshirt season) during preseason, and Tofu didn't make final cuts.
    .
    The 5 "RBs" last year were Forte, Taylor, Wolfe, Bell, and Desmond Clark.
    .
    FYI if you cut 2 more safeties, we will have all of 2 in total. I.e. the starters Harris and Wright, and nobody else. I don't think you really believe we should keep no backups, Irish.

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    That's certainly been the public plan - run, run, run...can Martz quit it with the seven-step drops this year? Or no?

  • I looked up some stats from last year to compare Forte's numbers against AP. Here's a few things I noticed:

    AP had 23 more yards from scrimmage on 31 more touches than Forte.
    AP had 24 more 1st down plays, about 5.8 first downs per game compared to Forte's 3.9 first downs per game. (AP missed one game).
    AP had 12 TD's to Forte's 6 TD's.

    I think Forte's numbers stand up pretty well, minus the TD's. I think his 1st downs are less because he was taken out more often in 3rd down situations last year to play Taylor, and also because we had so many 3rd and longs from sacks, penalties, and refusing to even try to run the ball on some drives / games.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    I agree - he is an elite back, albeit more of a threat out in the flat than a between the tackles guy, and his contract should reflect that.

    OTOH, I think the era of the crazy numbers is somewhat over. I even hear Indy fans saying that tying up huge $ in Peyton Manning is crazy...and I never thought I'd hear that.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    getting first downs and scoring TDs is kind of a big deal.

    We have to look at things objectively.

    3rd and goaline, who do we want, AP or Forte?

    The mula should be dished out accordingly. Forte SHOULD get paid. Love the guy, but he (and other RBs) just don't want to admit that they're no longer as impactful as QBs, LTs, DEs...the NFL has just changed on them.

  • In reply to 4ever85:

    3rd and goaline I want Barber

  • In reply to 4ever85:

    It's not just that they're less impactful than QBs. It's that they have a short shelf life.
    .
    Most good RBs (not drafted in the top of the first round) get only 1 real shot at a big contract. After that, their chances during their 2nd go around are miniscule.
    .
    So any smart agent knows he needs to figure out how to maximize the take from that one single opportunity.

  • 3rd and goal? KD and Spaeth as bookends. Eddie Williams at FB, Unga in as tailback. Cutler takes the snap and spins around. EW barrels straight ahead as road-grader. Unga either takes the ball and barrels into whatever DB is left, or it's play-action and Cutty rolls out and hits KD on the quick-out wide open. Unstoppable. It's all good.

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    Fk pass-blocking, seven step drops and 'deep digs'. Let's just pound the rock and play smashmouth defense. Bear football, right? When were we ever about QBs and receivers anyway?

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    unstoppable force meet immovable object (Martz).

  • i'm a union man.....management has been getting over on this man from the begining of his career.....mgmt. is like gov. the ruling class that makes the descision never completes the will of the people..,...the workin man wants him to be paid.......the Mc Cashkeys are livin off the workin mans buck........pay him for all the sweetness he has provided, for wokrin his ass off this summer for ya, for respecting the game, for being stand up, and for what he is gonna do to be the best he can be for the bears ........he has returned on their investment.......share the good fortune.......today i picked up a cd that is just what you need as you go over football statistics.......steve cropper, was introduced to the song, "think" by the 5 royales, through the base player, duck dunn, while in his high school band, he said , "that's what i want to sound like"......he put out the cd "Dedicated", to the 5 royals recently....it is the best.....steve winwood, bb king, buddy miller, lucinda williams, shemekia copeland, brian may, sharon jones, and others.....all sing songs, mostly written by lowman pauling the guitar player that cropper worshipped........heard the o line played like crap fri......i can only hope, what else can i do

  • In reply to huntinbare:

    Let's not make Forte out to be a sweat-shopper here.

    It's hard to put 'sacrifice' in the same sentence with 'Matt Forte'. It's a damn privilege to play football. Most guys do it for free just for the fun of it. To get paid a tiny fraction of what Forte is already getting paid, well, there's a lot us that would gladly swap places with him if we had the tools. I used to fall asleep dreaming of being the Bears middle linebacker. It's literally a dream career.

    Now, I'm not having a go at unions. I wish I was in one. Long live the working man, the hardest and toughest men on the planet if you ask me, they/we do it by the book, the hard way - but don't union men honor contracts? A man's word is all he has. Forte will get his, he has Angelo's word on that. (cough).

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    most union members belong to a union that negotiates $ collectively for the group, we do not have agents....what one gets we all get...forte has played in this league and if you look at his productivity for dollar paid i would think the McCashkeys were getting one of the best deals the nfl labor pool had to offer ......now as i have experienced there are quite a few union men who do not honor their contract, because they know they are "secure" the level of work does not match the old union standard..."a fair days work for a fair days pay"......forte was not spectacular the year his legs were compromised, but he stood up kept his mouth shut and worked his ass off for the team, as best as his body let him.....i am all for honoring your hancock that is on the contract, it is the proper way to show your career the respect it deserves for setting up your financial future,,,,,but, the nfl has a history of re negotiating, why not him he seems deserving.......who knws maybe i am just transfering my angst toward my current bosses and just want to see the the guy who is hauling the water win in any labor situation......do i sound bitter

  • Who is doing the play by play in Madden 12? Larry Lujack? I kept expecting him to say "that's right little Tommy"

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZL6a9X11fyk

  • Anyone still want a Tackle?

    "'Stinch' stalled

    In the wake of the surprising release of starting right tackle Jon Stinchcomb by New Orleans this week, no fewer than five teams contacted agent Pat Dye Jr. about his client, a guy who had started 80 straight games for the Saints and who was regarded by management as a real team leader. But it's pretty obvious to all that watched him struggle in last week's preseason opener that, despite the month-old reports that Stinchcomb was completely healthy after offseason surgery, the eight-year veteran and 2009 Pro Bowl blocker still needs about 2-4 more weeks of rehabilitation on his surgically repaired left quad before he is back up to game speed. Just a week or so shy of his 32nd birthday, Stinchcomb isn't quite ready to retire yet, and he'll eventually listen to other suitors, but he isn't ready yet, either, to completely give up on a return to the Saints, who have to pay him a $2.25 million guaranteed base salary for 2011 anyway. It's a longshot, for sure, but New Orleans officials, who agonized over the decision to cut Stinchcomb, have told the former second-rounder they could call him if Zach Strief or Charles Brown flops in their quest to replace him"

    http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Larry-Fitzgerald-imminent-contract-extension-Arizona-Cardinals-tip-sheet-081911

  • In reply to 4ever85:

    from the same source, Roy is not playing Lovie ball!

    "As far as communication goes, I tell him 'good ball' when he throws a good ball, and I tell him 'terrible ball' when he throws a terrible ball. I want him to understand, I'm not here to kiss (his) butt, I'm here to tell (him) the truth." — Chicago wide receiver Roy Williams, on his relationship with Bears quarterback Jay Cutler, per Don Banks of SI.com

    The Onion reports that Lovie replied, "Truth? I've heard of that concept."

  • In reply to 4ever85:

    Oh dear.

  • Ok, I have to say... I was already pretty impressed with the kid, but watching the 2010 and the 2008 (his rookie year) Forte highlight vids that Crown and GPL posted has made me really appreciate what we've got. Seriously, they're worth checking out:

    (reposting the links)

    2008 - http://youtu.be/K1De48tvrdk
    2010 - http://youtu.be/ULbBHuigNZ0

    1700+ yards from scrimmage and 12 TDs his rookie year, and 1600+ yards and 9 TDs last year. He may not be elite yet, but he's damn good production-wise and he's got the skills to have even better years.

  • In reply to Michael L:

    Glad you watched it. Matt is good - *real* good. Best back since Neal Anderson - perhaps better already. And trust me, that's high praise from me. Neal was actually really good, but had the unenviable position of having to be the guy that followed Payton.

    Nobody since (sorry Thomas Jones fans) was worth of carrying Anderson's jock until Forte arrived.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    I think people still have his 2009 season stuck in their heads, when he was running on one leg all year and have completely glossed over how good he was in 08 and last year.
    Forte is an elite back and frankly, I'd take him over quite a few "name" guys that have more rushing TD's - he's so much better as a receiver than guys like AP, Turner, etc, and he's run behind some really bad o-lines.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    I was waiting for somebody to mention Neal. I was going to say that Forte is no Neal Anderson, but thought that would be piling on unfairly
    Neal is without question the best Bears back since Wally - he was awesome. Amazing to watch. Forte is very good outside the tackles and at catching passes. He's just dividing the board because of the contract thing - I think we all know he's good. But if we're playing the ratings game, I don't have him at TJ's level yet, mainly because of his shortcomings at blocking and running the hard yards. TJ was more complete, Forte more finesse. He was a good second round pick. Let's see how it goes. Remember - he might not be a Bear for long if he doesn't keep it zipped, we've got some runners on this team and Angela's ego is huge.

    My $0.02.

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJJ4nne-D8o
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpMvAT4V6qg

    http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/A/AndeNe00.htm

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    After watching Neal's highlights (again) and then watching Forte's, I was surprised. I thought Matt might have some similar stuff in there .... but real 'highlights' are actually in short supply on his reel. Virtually every time Neal turned the corner he was gone, baby, gone. Forte is not in the same class as Neal, he just isn't - but few backs are, in fairness. He's our boy though.

  • i like players that other teams worry about... i'm thinkin forte is one of those

  • In reply to huntinbare:

    He actually isn't. A year before we started the 10 draft, my friends thought the bears needed another running back because Forte had one bad year.

    The only thing people fear are Peppers, Hester(on spc Teams) and Urlacher.

    That is it.

  • In reply to Artoo:

    maybe not, but i would like to think that somebody is worried about the potential problems he might cause......my hope is that the run blocking is upgraded, and they will make it easier for him to get close to 5 per carry ......carimi does not have great run technique by luck.......i like the line coach bosshard at wisc. he almost produced 3 1000 yard rushers last season......, they have a center coming into his own this year, i am sure tice is watching....... my friend's son played the last 3 years in their system and he believes that he can be special.....

  • In reply to Artoo:

    If they aren't worried about him, they're idiots. Not because Forte is a superstar, but because he's a matchup problem, and Martz (and even old Ronny) has shown he is not afraid to use him.
    .
    How many times has he lined up wide and made a LB look foolish trying to cover him, and Forte pulls down a beautiful ball for a TD or a first down? Any DC who ignores that is a fool.
    .
    Ok so maybe you mean as runner. That might have been true last year, but I don't think anyone this year is going to ignore his 4.7 YPC average last year combined with the extra 100 pounds and 10 inches or so on the OL this year -- unless they suck balls for 5 games out the gate maybe. Again, to ignore stuff like that tends to make a DC look pretty damn foolish, and if there's anything coaches hate more than they love winning... it's looking damn foolish.

  • In reply to Michael L:

    That's the thing Michael - we're an offense full of matchup nightmares if we can get Cutty the three seconds he needs. When you combine our backs with our tight ends, and look at the receivers we have now ... it's just scary. I just hope Martz favors the run and gets the best out of the passing game as a result.

  • Fitz locked for 6 years, $120M.

    Jackpot.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    That is silly money. Is he going to take the snaps, throw the ball up in the air, run downfield and catch it?

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Holy cow. That is insane. I wonder how much of that figure is funny money, and how much is really expected to be paid before renegotiating. But just, wow.

  • Big Daddy, if you use Walter as your measuring stick for elite RB's you're going to be disappointed a lot. Forte is a top 10 back. Our OL has pretty much sucked Moose Wang since he's been here. Not to mention RT was our OC for his first 2 years. Almost every regular poster could predict 85-90% of the offensive plays before they were run. I say pay the man. Not crazy money, but pay the man.

    After watching last week's game I have to say the OL wasn't as bad as I thought. Hanie wasn't great but the run blocking was terrific. Hanie held onto the ball too long. Enderle held onto the ball WAY too long. I've gotta admit Enderle is a statue back there but he's accurate as hell. Loved that. Bell ran hard, Barber is fun to watch (not to mention a beast) and Unga is very strong. I don't see how the Molester makes the team. We'll have to cut him because nobody will give us a draft pick. Oh well. ManofMoolah and the Molester were terrible signings. Fortunately Peppers makes up for both of them.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Awesome film you did with Mr. McCaskill, Canada ... that was your gig right?

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    I wish. Loved the film. If that was me it would qualify for one of those blooper reels. Oh well.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    I use Watler for my measuring stick when using the words "special" and "running backs" in the same sentence. I love Forte. He's been one of the few bright spots on our O in recent years. I just don't think he is good enough to cry foul and hold out.

  • In reply to BigDaddy:

    He hasn't held out, nor has he even threatened to hold out. The only thing he's done is admit that he "thought about" sitting out _preseason_ games to preserve his health.
    .
    Did he cry foul? Only if telling reporters that the Bears promised they want to get an extension done, and that he wants to get an extension done, is a foul. Seriously, what's the bone here?
    .
    If the Bears want to lock him up to a contract extension (rather than let him become a FA at the end of the season), then they have to negotiate with Forte and come to a mutual agreement. Where's the foul? Where's the crying?
    .
    He hasn't even said one negative word about management to the media, unlike some others in his position. The only thing he is guilty of is having an agent that is fighting to get him as much money as possible. So far I've seen no underhanded tactics or theatrics designed to embarrass the club. Seriously, what's the beef? I don't mean to be a prick, but I really don't get it.

  • In reply to Michael L:

    That's not true Michael. Forte himself said that he was holding out from preseason play because he didn't want to get hurt during the preseason before working out a new deal. He didn't overtly threaten to be a contract holdout but what he actually did was make a veiled threat by not wanting to play preseason games. Reading between the lines, that tells me he's putting the Bears management on notice while trying to maintain his good guy appearance. I think he's well within his rights to use that tactic, I'm just arguing against the mindset that says, "sign him at all costs".

  • In reply to BigDaddy:

    Walter is one of the top 3 RB's of all time. You're crazy if that's your idea of special. Not once has Forte cried about anything, nor has he held out. Considering there are 2 other RB's on the team making more money than him, I can see why he wants to get paid. Pay the man.

  • ESPN doesn't cover it, but Jahvid Best knocked out with concussion against the Browns.

    http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=espn:6879316

  • More FF news: Cards RB Ryan Williams down with possibly a season ending knee injury.

    Guess letting Hightower go wasn't a brilliant move. Maybe they have a 2nd team OL star they would want to trade for Chester Taylor or K. Bell.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    For what they are going to pay Fitzy, they should line his ass up at RB for every snap that he's not the #1 read.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    +1

  • back from the vacation DEEEEEP in the northwoods of wisconsin. So deep that half of the people i met didn't even like the Packers, they liked shooting the fuck out of waterfowl and other woodland creatures and fishing as your typical GB Fan loves blowing Rodgers and forgetting Favre ever existed.

    Anyway, there was no internet out there so i was in cold turkey detox mode from NFL football. I came back and knew Angelo would still have not picked up any offensive linemen because as he puts it "you have to let the young guys develop" and you certainly can't bring in more talented players to improve the line. Angelo, you fucking fuckstick, other teams build through the draft and develop their young players because they know how to draft and aren't developing a 7th round value pick as their starting left tackle, they are grooming 1st,2nd, 3rd and 4th rounders you complete fucking idiot.

    Regarding the Giants most people forget that despite 9 sacks of Cutler the Giants led by merely 3 points at halftime. Translation: If Martz runs the ball and we utilize the screen pass and short routes we will stomp on the giants like i stomped on rum and cokes laying in a crystal clear lake grilling freshly caught Walleye all week.

    Giants dead.

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    Isn't Indy developing a UDFA rookie as their starting left tackle as we speak? I think someone mentioned that.

  • In reply to Michael L:

    my post wouldn't post and i didn't cut and paste it so i'll give you the condensed version:

    Comparing the Bears talent evaluators to the Colts talent evaluators is like comparing Filet Mignon to Taco Bell.

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    also, Colts LT's are Linkenbach and Costonzo a first round draft pick. Hardly UDFA's.
    Carimi may already be our best linemen and he is a rookie. Fucking draft the line with 1st, 2nd,3rd and 4th rounders like other teams do and watch what happens.

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    Hey, I'm not exactly disagreeing on that point. However to be fair, the current offensive talent evaluators have only been in place 1 season, 2 off-seasons. Tice, Martz, and Ruskell are all entering only their 2nd year. Heck Ruskell didn't even join until after the draft last year, so this is his first full off-season.
    .
    So it isn't wholly implausible that they might know what they are doing on the OL this year personnel-wise. Let's see how the OL performs after 5 games, then make judgments. I mean feel free to be pessimistic -- that's your prerogative -- but at least criticize the past. The present we don't know yet if it deserves criticism yet or not -- skepticism sure, but criticism not so much.
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    Oh, and I don't know about the Colts LTs sorry... someone was complaining that the Colts at LT (and the Browns and Bills I think at OG) were finding late-round/undrafted rookie starters, and ripping management for that. It's getting kind of old reading rants like these though -- I mean it's damned if you do, damned if you don't. If they don't draft mid-rounders to develop, the FO sucks in draft selection. If they do, then why didn't they draft a high-rounder? If they draft a high-rounder, then they suck because he'll be a bust and a wasted pick. If they don't draft them, then they're negligent. If they bring in a FA, then they're bringing in garbage. If they don't bring in a FA, then why are they asleep at the wheel? If they try to develop guys, then they're incompetent at evaluating guys. If they bring in help, then it proves they can't draft worth shit. I mean seriously, at a certain point the rants just become meaningless... and frankly contradictory.
    .
    We have a new staff, let's give them a mulligan on their first year and see how the 2nd year starts. Believe me, if the line is shit, I will be right there with all of you guys complaining about the job the FO and/or coaches have done. Right now it's just pointless though, other than venting.

  • In reply to Michael L:

    Mike - it's simple logic. If you are one game away from the superbowl and the one thing that kept you from going 13-3 or 14-2 was O line play and the main thing that kept you from the superbowl was O line play then you address the O line play, fix the issue and make the superbowl run.

    Angelo half assed it as always, obviously wanted an upgrade at RG so the Rookie would develop faster and more completely at RT but instead we got rid of Kreutz, brought in a Center who doesn't know the system, have LANCE LOUIS next to Carimi instead of the proven veteran that we showed that we wanted as we courted Colon. Genius move, go after a lineman from a dynasty and a proven winner instead of a guy from a shit team that wants to win now.
    It's frustrating as a fan to see a superbowl defense multiple times over the last 5 years and then to see the only reason we don't go to or win the superbowl NOT ADDRESSED SEASON AFTER SEASON.
    Angelo is the talent evaluator and the final say. Ruskell is his butt buddy and that is why we ended up with Spencer at the last minute instead of a RG like we wanted.
    Drafting for shit can be helped by being solid in FA. Sucking in FA can be helped by being a solid drafter and a solid developer of young talent. What happens when you suck at both when it comes to the Offensive line?
    I'm the biggest optimist on this blog and i'm still fucking disgusted at managements refusal to take the final steps to fill huge holes, that if filled, give us a great chance to go deep into the playoffs and beyond.
    Get Cutler, don't get him weapons or blocking????
    Get Peppers and create a superbowl defense but don't give your franchise qb any chance to succeed with consistency???
    Waste the talents of the greatest kick returner ever by not having return all forms of kicks???
    Are you joking??? My rants aren't contradictory, they specifically address the inadequacy of our managment when it comes to putting together a team that excels at all 3 phases.

  • In reply to Michael L:

    I don't think they planned on losing Olin though. That situation smells like a rancid sock. There may be trouble ahead ....

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    One thing about the Giants, they're always beatable with that QB under center. The one that thinks he's in the same class as Tom Brady.

  • Jeff - while i enjoy the hell out of this blog I do wish there were several changes/improvements. I love the banter and the issues and ideas that we talk about but I feel like one post every 5 or 6 days or so is a little sparse. The running twitter feeds from training camp was non existent and alot of the articles were hardly breaking news, etc.

    I know you have a ton of shit going on but is the Other Sports blog you are running robbing us of a better experience here on the Bears blog??

    A common response could be that it's the pre-season and that is why there isn't alot of blogging by you, which i believe was an explanation from a previous thread, but after a lockout and so much stuff to talk about I guess i was just looking for a more consistent fix for Bears info.

    Da Site is a joke, SB Nation blogs suck wang, the other Bears blogs on Chicago Now may just be the worst pieces of shit i've ever read so in that vacuum of quality I feel like this blog could really jump to the next level if a little more attention was paid to it.

    I'm still coming on as much as possible and the quality of my posts will improve as well as the regular season approaches but based on past performance of you, i'm looking for you to step up your game. If this comes off critical it's only because it's because i want this site to continue to improve.

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    I just come here for the banter, so the number of posts from Jeff doesn't weigh a lot - and from his perspective there really is sweet FA to post about in the off-season anyway. If the comments run to 600 or so, then so be it .... I'm sure we'll have plenty to talk about real soon. Good or bad, we'll see.

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    Soon as in 10 hours from now...
    Bear down!

  • i just reviewed the posting frequency of your posts Jeff and i think i may have jumped the gun a bit. You have posted with pretty decent frequency lately. I think my angst was just a product of the lockout. I take back my comments about the frequency but still would have liked that awesome twitter feed that we had last year.

    My expectations of football info after being starved all summer were unreasonable.

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    Where about in the Northwoods Waffle? I do a lot of fishing up nort and used to snowmobile all over the place.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    North of Waupaca. I don't know if that is technically considered the Northwoods but i think you're in the middle of nowhere when the local gas station sells fishing gear, hunting equipment, assault rifles and shotguns and the most delicious ice cream i've had in a while.
    The only WIFI was some Canadian network that cost me part of my left leg to hook onto so i just scrapped technology for the week.
    The area was beautiful and it was a great break from the daily grind.

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    There's some nice areas around there Johnny. I have a few friends who live in Wisconsin Rapids and one of them has a cabin in Romance. Not my idea of the Northwoods, but that's all relative. If you ever decide to take a trip about 100-150 miles further north, you will experience some totally different types of lakes / climate. The lakes and the scenery are totally different.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    i love the danger and the beauty of mother nature. if i didn't have kids i'd camp up there with the boys for a week or two at a time with just a hunting knife, fishing gear, a .308 Bushmaster with night scope, a sack of rice and beans and some dried beef....and a ton of whiskey.

  • I've got a hilarious and scary story from my boy that I'll share with you all since my crazy sex story days are numbered. A couple of weeks ago my buddy lured a girl back to his abode after a night at the club. I live vicariously through my friends who still pussy hunt now that I'm engaged.My bud is known to indulge in the white night from time to time. Anyways, after getting her back, the friend and the girl started snorting yayo. They ended up partying for quite a while before hitting the sack. By the time they started banging, my boy noticed her clam was tightening up, which was okay by him if you know what I mean. Until, her vag went straight venus fly trap on him and he started to scream in pain. It turns out the cocaine made her vagina uncontrollably clench up to the point that he could not release out of her. After fifteen minutes of trying to detach, they ended up having to go to the ER literally as one unit. There, she was given muscle relaxers that allowed him to escape. He said his dick is still blood shot two weeks after. It took him two weeks to share this story with me. A word to the wise gentlemen, always ask the girl you party with if she has this condition before entering her.

  • In reply to Crown:

    cocaine is a hell of a drug. a coke induced pussy clench? epic.

  • In reply to Crown:

    Ah, the life and times of a 911 operator.

  • In reply to Crown:

    WOW!! What a way to roll.

  • In reply to Crown:

    did she get flagged for holding

  • In reply to Crown:

    Lock-vadge!

  • UNITY

  • In reply to Crown:

    ha ha haaaa

    OK, I was just gonna read and not post today, but this is one of the funniest god damn stories I've ever heard Crown. THIS should be an episode of House and on D.A.R.E. pamphlets.

    "The more you know..." da da da ding...

  • Your buddy stuck his dick in a vacuum again didn't he?

    Did YOU vote for Da Blog today?

  • Gents -

    Had a auction fantasy football draft yesterday. What a fucking refreshing change of pace.

    I can't see going any other method from here on out... No more lucky position pulls or "do I wait one more round to pick up Roy Williams" type moments.

    If anyone is in for yet another DBB league - auction style - let me know.

    Anyone else given the auction a shot? I fucking loved it. Picked up Cutty for a buck!

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    I'd do it. In a heartbeat. Are there live cash ones available online? I imagine there have to be.

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    Yeah, real soon Willie. I imagine we'll have a flurry of them. The injuries are panning out nicely.

  • Cor, loved the story about the Peruvian marching powder and "the clench". Funny stuff. Whenever i got mixed up with that shit and crazy womens all that ever happended were really boring conversations about ghosts, the afterlife and bullshit like that. If we did hit the sack it wasn't all that memorable. I never liked that shit to start with so maybe that was the biggest problem. With my personality it probably was a good thing I didn't like that shit.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    "... ghosts, the afterlife, and bullshit like that."

    Sweet. Should be a book title.

  • priceless:

    http://www.suntimes.com/sports/football/bears/7090445-606/bears-rb-marion-barber-brushes-off-tacklers-reporters.html

    Barber just doesn't give fuck about reporters.

    Famous quote to some Bears douchebag director of corporate relations:

    "That's it for the year"

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    Hah - I love the guy already.

  • I'm a bit concerned about the linebacker situation. With Pisa still rehabbing his knee until late September early October and Briggs and the rookie already dinged up a bit i think it's time to snag us a backup MLB and SLB.

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    I was concerned about Olin's and Lac's backup for the last couple of years now. What has Angelo done about those situations? My Aunt Fanny.

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    You know Hunter was a very solid backup. He was no replacement starting-caliber type, but he did the job quite well.

    I don't think the concern should've been there about the backup MLB situation until they put him on IR last season.

    And Angelo did your Aunt Fanny? No wonder you hate him... =)

  • Doesn't sound like Unga is going to stick - the Trib doesn't even think he's going to make the practice squad with the amount of practice time he's had to miss already.
    Bummer.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    yeah, must have some personal shit going on with the new baby. That sucks for him and his family. I hope something works out for him.

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    Yep - I hope they find a way for it to work out, but if not, hope his personal life takes an upswing.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Indeed, Sorry Ungabunga, peace brother. But I'll take the other six dudes into battle, and one thing about our line is it's beefy. Let's pound it all day long.

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    And Unga was a supplemental draft pick, so if we lose him that's another blown pick by Angela. Are they perhaps thinking of dipping into the supplemental draft today?

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    Come on man. You're seriously pulling out the "blown pick" card on a 7th rounder?? And on a guy who happened to have birth complications?

    That's seriously low man.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I guess I've always been a little confused about Unga. While it is unfortunate that his aspirations as an NFL football player are being affected by other matters (and I wish he and his family the best of luck in whatever it is), why are people here so high about him?

  • Ahhh, da blog. A great read, as always. Kind of like reading the paper again after a few days away. Like getting getting reimbursed in the world. So much to read. So much to to weigh in on.

    Forte. Anybody who thinks this guy shouldn't get paid and paid large is smoking more chronic than Fres and I combined. Trac, man, I hope you don't take this the wrong way but, maybe you should put down the bong and get a job or something. To say he's not special because he's not Walter Payton is as ridiculous a thing I've heard you say on this blog, and I've heard you say some doozies. Forte is not Sweetness. So true. But I'll tell you who else he's not:

    Rashaan Salaam
    Curtis Enis
    James Allen
    Anthony Thomas
    Brock Forsey
    Raymont Harris
    Rabih Abdullah
    The other Adrian Peterson
    Cedric Benson
    Thomas Jones (Malcontent)

    He may not be as good as Neal Anderson, I'd say the jury is still out, and he has a chance to be great. He's played injured and he's surpassed expectations behind a horrible line and with no game-breaking receivers to open up the box. He's an excellent receiver and open field runner. Pay him less than Adrian Peterson and Chris Johnson, but pay the man.

    People who let trends or generalizations shape their decisions are sheep. Not paying Forte because you think the days of the featured running back is over is doing exactly that. I refuse to believe a team can't have a featured back. Two seasons ago CJ got 2k. Sure, these guys are not likely to play 12 years, like The Sweetness did, but a guy can easily remain productive and even dominant well into his thirties. Give Forte a 5 or 6 year contract worth top third RB money. End of story.

    SC Dave, for saying that Walter Payton is not perfect, Fuck You. (jk) (or am I?) .

    There were other comments I was going to make, but SC kind of threw a wrench in my gears.

    Oh yes,

    Babootycall, you seem like you'll fit right in. Welcome.

    Michael L, I've really been enjoying your contribution lately. Just thought you'd like to know.

    Crown, Epic story mang. Fucking A. My wife and I are dying to know though, how'd they make it to the E.R.?

    I love this blog.

  • In reply to Doc Nitty 34:

    Haha. I appreciate the welcome. Once I get my exam taken care I promise to be a regular contributor. Hopefully Cutler doesn't get killed tonight. Same with Forte, although I believe Angelo and his nefarious wormlike ways might actually be hoping he does so it will provide him with an easy out for not extending him. Seriously, that would actually be a logical explanation for how on earth we could be starting this clusterfuck of a group of lineman as our starting 5 after enduring last season's season long shitshow on "How not to block an NFL Defender". Besides Angelo hoping to God Forte gets killed so Virginia and her Eunichs can horde as much cash as possible before the 99% salary cap floor gets implemented, I cannot for the life of me comprehend how we can actually be starting a line against the Giants that may actually be worse than the line that almost ended Cutler's career (and life) in one half of football against the very same team. I find it inexcusable that a deal has not been struck with Forte based on the sheer merits of what he has already done and meant to this team and the offense. Regardless of the injury risk to the team or the short lives of running backs, if Angelo is able to blow paper on fatass manatees and countless worthless draft picks and free agent signings he's a complete piece of shit for not rewarding a player that actually deserves it based on performance and contributions to the Bears. Not only that, but Forte didn't simply sit on his ass and rest on his laurels (1500 total yards and surviving the season with last year's "offensive" line is quite an accomplishment) during the offseason, but actually showed up to camp jacked up in the best shape of his career looking to take his game to the next level. It's disheartening and disgusting the message that Angelo is sending to Forte and other young hungry lesser paid players on the team (Johnny Knox, Kellen Davis, Henry Melton, etc) that everything is strictly a business decision with the Chicago Bears after riding Forte like a cheap whore. Angelo shouldn't extend Forte because he has to. He should extend Forte because it's the right thing to do.

  • In reply to Doc Nitty 34:

    I don't think anyone on here would say don't pay the man - he's clearly a good back, and in fantasy land he's always the best value back - but there are two schools it seems. One: pay him now. Two: Pay him when it's time to pay him as per his contract .... and we know what the Bears' front office/McCaskeys are like. Something about dimes, throwing, and manhole covers.

    Angela gave Forte his word he'd be taken care of ... but Matt should have asked 'Yeah, but when....?'

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    Dude seriously? Nobody in this business -- McCaskey, Angelo, or not -- waits to pay guys after their contracts expire UNLESS they aren't sure they want the guy or the guy is asking for too much money. It's not some bullshit thing that only cheapskates do.
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    If there's one thing the current Bears regime has proven, it's that they WILL pay (overpay even) when it comes to extending their stars -- Harris, Urlacher, Cutler, Ogunleye, Briggs, the list goes on. So you're just flat-out wrong on particular insinuation, sorry Irish.
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    The problem here isn't the FO, it's Forte's agent asking for too much money. Eventually they start talking non-insane #s, a deal will get done.

  • In reply to Doc Nitty 34:

    Whatever Doc. Fuck you too.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    That's like a hug on this blog.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Well, in that case, fuck you too, Posse!

  • http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/football/nfl/08/21/colts.jim.irsay.brett.favre.ap/index.html?sct=nfl_t2_a5

    Child, please.

  • I expect to see Taylor alot in the first half; the BT has downplayed any talk about his status on the roster but I think they want to shop him without completing destroying his value on the market. And if he looks like ass, all the more reason to cut their losses and move on without him.

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