Bears Plan to Bench Best Receiver Unjust, Misguided

Bears Plan to Bench Best Receiver Unjust, Misguided

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By no means am I putting more stock in the offensive line's performance against the New York Giants than a preseason game warrants but I have to admit my confidence level in the group rose precipitously.  And as for the poor showings of the third-down defense and special teams the other night, I just don't care.  Neither, and I say this without even a degree of doubt, neither will carry over into the real games.  (I would be writing a long-winded diatribe against the annual August overreactions of Haugh & Friends but who has time anymore?)

My concern for the Bears after a pair of preseason games is on the outside.  The receiver position.  The boys who catch the ball. It's not an "oh no we'll never win with this group" concern or a "who is out there on the free agent market" concern but it is a concern nevertheless.  Who are the Bears receivers right now?  What are their roles?  After reading daily Tweets from every beat writer in Bourbonnais and watching every snap of the first two preseason games, here is what I know:

  • The Bears best passing game option is dumping the ball off to the back.  This includes Marion Barber, a player I've never associated with catching the ball but has nevertheless been impressive.
  • Roy Williams has yet to make any plays running a vertical route.
  • Devin Hester has yet to make any plays not running a vertical route.
  • Earl Bennett still shows up every once in a while and makes a great catch.
  • Johnny Knox, clearly the Bears best receiver a year ago, has been somehow relegated to playing the fourth quarter of preseason games and is losing early-game time to half-his-potential rookies.

Are these really the collection of players, in current form, that can execute the Mike Martz offense?  There's some speed and potential out there but not a single player on this roster has the presence, hands or discipline of a Torry Holt or Isaac Bruce.  I'm not saying you need All-Pros outside to be successful but in this shortened offseason that has led to first-string QBs around the league lacking for timing with most of their receiving corps, I can't imagine that it wouldn't be helpful for the Bears to have some order to things at the position.  And I can't imagine that order would not involve Knox.

Knox is the story for me currently.  The speedster from Abilene Christian amassed nearly 1,000 yards last year and did it on only 51 catches (18.8 per).  And yet there he was lined up at wideout in the fourth quarter of a meaningless scrimmage at the MetLife Meadowlands - Snoopy in the Swamp.  It doesn't make sense.

But then again, we've seen it before.  Mark Bradley.  Devin Aromashodu.  This leadership allows you only to be so successful at wideout before they cut your legs out from underneath you and banish you to the practice squad.  I don't know why.  Nobody does.  But if Johnny Knox's attitude is the reason he's been relegated to the B-side of the receiver album, I say screw his attitude and just throw him the damn ball.  He's proven it when it matters.  He's proven it on Sunday.  And when you're thin at receiver, the solution is not benching your best player at the position on moral grounds.

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  • First!!

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    And I disagree on Knox being "clearly" the best receiver. Earl Bennett is now, and was last year, the best receiver on the Bears. Martz admitted a big mistake in last year's offense not getting that man the ball.

    One thing I do credit Knox for, however, is downfield blocking - a particular receiver that replaced him could certainly learn from watching the film from last year.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    Ditto and ditto.

    His stats should have been far greater given the looks he had - but blown routes/not knowing the playbook, not adjusting on the fly, leaving Cutler pissing into the wind, I can't say I'm a fan of Johnny Knox. Yes he had some outstanding catches last year, but even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

    He does make an effort in the blocking game though, yes he does.

  • First to say Knox is not our best receiver. I'd put him at 3 behind Big Earl and Hester. The guy does make some plays, but you can't discount that he runs the wrong routes and has never once fought a ball away from a defender...

  • On this morning's score, they replayed some of Hub's comments this week. Hub torched RW. Called out his in-shape excuses, and blasted him.

    The Score morning crew then took that launching point to bring out the heavy duty flamethrowers. Calling RW "lazy" and "clearly a guy who busted out of the league two years ago", they expected nothing but disaster from the guy.

    I hate the Pack trolls, but when they have Triple J (Jones, Jennings, Jacoby) and Finley over the middle, and we have RW, Hester, a disgruntled Knox and Bennett with Spaeth - you know, I mean I get their point.

    I guess the cat calls have been loud enough for LDL to feel the need to say that he is "sure that Roy will work out." Uh-huh, like anybody is going to hold you to that Lubdub.

    I'd rather have had Braylon and his Rodman like propensity to be pulled out of a Chicago nightclub yelling and bloody than RW, who has fucking quit on his career and his only playing the long con.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Maybe Harbaugh will trade us a 2nd rounder, which it is clear we can't make use of anyhow, for Michael Crabtree. Then we can have two starters for Cutler who not only ACT like they don't care, but ACTUALLY don't care.

  • You know the Bears signed RW because of Martz. Same with ManofMoolah. That doesn't bode well for us. I posted about 10 times yesterday bitching about RW, no need to rehash it.

    Hey Doc, I feel your pain. I had about 4 posts disappear on me yesterday. I have an unnatural fear of the double post so I just let it go. Oh well. Also, I did Ride Idaho a couple of weeks ago and had a great time. Cycle Oregon in 2.5 weeks.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Nice. What parts of Idaho did you ride through?

    Ride on my friend, Ride on!. Will you be driving through Seattle to or from Cycle Oregon? If so, we should hook up. I'll buy you a non-alcoholic beer.

  • In reply to Doc Nitty 34:

    We started out NE of Boise then the overnights were Stanley, Challis, Arco, Hailey (2 nights), Stanley and back to the start. We (my bike riding buddy and me) won't be going that way but if I'm ever in the neighbourhood, you'll be the first to know.

  • Hey Irish, one of my disappearing posts was to you about the game Monday. Also, I wanted to say I was sorry to hear about your Dad. No matter how old or how sick they were, it hurts like hell when they pass. Keep on keeping on my man.

    And stay away from the girls with something extra!

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Thanks Canada, appreciate it. And thanks to everyone on here, they were really nice gestures. He'd been in a lot of pain for a long time, so it was almost a relief when he passed on. But that meant a lot and even though we cuss and bash each other on football stuff we can still turn to each other and share stuff when there's no-one in the real world that can lend their ear at a particular time. Does that make sense? Like Doc says, I love this blog, and I hope Jeff gets something out of it when the voting is done.

  • I don't understand how this team can make bad personell decisions over and over again and not learn something. Why did Todd Collins take second string in the NFC championship game? And then when Hanie nearly pulls off an upset, they can't even offer the guy a decent tender?

    Why did Shaba (who apparently can't play slot) not get some opportunities to line up at the other wide out positions? We obviously weren't happy with what we had; and they obviously don't mind alienating guys.

    Why was Greg Olsen the one to say he was unhappy in Chicago? I understand we had mixed feeling about him... but why did an underperforming tight end who got all kinds of highlight catches in the endzone last year feel like we weren't using him to his potential?

    Why did Lach and Briggs feel jilted on their contracts, followed by Hester, and now Forte? Can we not have one year where our guys feel like we did the right thing?

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    That seems to be everywhere. Except for the Peppers and Fitzgeralds, who move the bar - everyone else seems to act like they didn't get paid. Blame it on Rod Tidwell.

    It doesn't help that the Bears have a 50yr history of being a stingy organization. It's why we struggle with A-list offensive talent at the skill positions.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    yes +1000000000000000

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I agree on the contracts; its a common problem. Although the Peppers and Cutler deals seem to take the stingy label away.

    But the fact remains. We tick off our players way too often. I don't think its Lovie, I think they all respect and trust him to let them shine. I think its the coordinators that Lovie doesn't control enough - especially on offense (where Lovie spends less time). Lovie's personality gives the players the space to develop into his system, but he also gives his assistants the space to undermine those players.

    Honestly, I think a stronger Lovie would even reign in some of Angelo's mistakes. The guy has to take control of the organization and make it his. I believe we can win with him.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    #54, really? He's been here forever, paid like a #1 draft pick, signed a second big money contract, bitched and got it extended. Hester got a great second contract considering where he was at as a WR. Briggs got fucked by SF and had to settle for $6 mil/year. Boo-Hoo. Forte will get paid. All players bitch when they outplay their contracts, not just the players on the Bears.

    Totally agree with you on Olsen, Collins and Hanie. I blame all 3 of those issues on Martz. I'm really getting sick of his BS.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    I'm with you in that boat NewBear. "Where receivers go to die" seems to be more than just a sound-bite, doesn't it? Like Martz saying that about Shabba not being able to play the slot - well, he looked really good on the outside, so there was a way around that...

    Is it Daryl Drake? Lovie? Angela?

    What made Olsen decide to cut his career's throat by going to the worst team in football?

    I hope it's Hurd's time for more looks next week, or why was he signed?

    Is RW that locker-room cancer waiting to happen? I'd prefer that in T.O. shaped body?

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    Because Shabba is so good he's starting for the Vikes now -- after all without Sydney Rice, he only needs to beat out Berrian and Harvin. Wait...

    In fact, wow, he's 5th string over there -- as in at least 8 WRs are ahead of him.

    Why was Hurd signed? Because he's a ST standout, and we got rid of Davis, Wolfe, McClover, and Bullocks.

  • In reply to Michael L:

    I think if people looked at Shabba's highlight reels on YT they wouldn't flame the guy. We need that at wideout. Hurd might be the guy - high quality dude who can hit the RAC as a receiver, never mind ST.

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    I don't flame the guy. I think he has skills. But I think his ability to be a top-flight WR is also over-stated.

    If the Bears coaches were so dumb, then why did only the Vikings sign him and make them their 9th receiver? I think most coaches/scouts around the league didn't see enough out of him to beat down his door after the Bears let him walk.

    That said, I liked the guy. But people tend to get carried away when it comes to bubble WRs, especially Bears fans (not just here, I mean everywhere).

  • The only other thing I can think of with Knox is that Martz is pissed that he doesn't go up and fight for balls. He waits for them to come to him and that led to several picks last year. I agree that it's something that Knox needs to work on but I haven't seen anyone else on this team do any better so I'm not sure why he get's all the blame?

  • In reply to BigT:

    I suggest you watch Earl Bennett a bit more carefully.

  • In reply to BigT:

    Thats the only thing I can think of to why he has been demoted. He clearly gave up on a lot of jump balls, and got man handled on his slant routes. He relies on his speed way to much, and really isnt a well rounded WR YET?

    As for the Debate between Hester and Knox, I would take Knox anyday. I feel like Hester is only out there ahead of Bennet and Knox is because Lovie doesnt want to look like a dumbass AGAIN!

  • My WR corps

    or DH

  • I think you should move RW to the bottom of the pile until he shows something.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Has Roy Williams made one impressive catch yet? Its been two meaningless games, but eventually he has to show up.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    I hope you're right and he shows up. I admit I have a hate on for this guy because of past history. I'll be happy to admit I'm wrong if he pans out.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    NB, not only has RW not made one impressive catch yet... he has not made one catch at all yet.

  • I haven't seen Sanchoplaster or Onion Jones, but based on sheer unimpressiveness of the others, I'd go Hester and Hurd on the outside, Earl in the slot, but have a lot of double TE sets and run-first mentality. Lots of FB blocking and running, use Cutty on the PA roll-outs and hit KD a lot.

  • Everyone please revisit the first paragraph of Jeff's post. (Jeff included)

    See:"annual August overreactions" and take a deep breath.


  • Doc, I've had the same issues as you. It's beyond frustrating. I have found though that logging out and logging back in seems to help.

    I'm pretty bummed about RW so far, but I'm willing to wait a couple weeks before turning up the flamebroiler to HIGH.

    As for Knox, I don't think he's their best receiver -- last year he was their most productive receiver given 1) the experience level (i.e. none) of the QB and WRs in Martz's system, and 2) the relative development in his peers -- Bennett injured in camp, Hester learning WR techniques, Shabba learning even more. I.e. Knox was in the right time and place, uninjured, to be the most effective.

    This year is not last year, however. Jay's, Devin's, and Earl's (and undoubtedly also Johnny's) understanding of Martz's system is much higher. All of those guys' physical attributes can now shine, and now there's a much higher premium on not making mistakes. Last year they could tolerate mental and technique mistakes more, because they had to. This year they won't... or at least shouldn't.

    BigT, the reason Knox is singled out is because the picks on throws to him came with him helplessly looking on -- so either he was running the wrong route/adjustment, gave up his route too early, or else he didn't instinctually play defender to protect his QB. By contrast you didn't see lack of effort with the other WRs -- their picks came on clearly underthrown balls, or on mistakes of technique and not mental breakdowns or worse, effort breakdowns.

    BTW no one has mentioned this, but I saw a play in the 4th quarter (where I too was WTF Knox is in?) where Knox ran a deep square-in and jumped up big to grab a high ball from Hanie -- that's probably a pick if he doesn't go all out. That was sweet. I think the kid is learning and making strides, and we'll see him overtake RW in time, if not soon. I know when that happens people will bitch about yet another botched personnel decision, but I'm not sure I'll share it -- if effort and drive to finish plays is in question, I think you have to instill it by making them earn it.

    As for the hackneyed "they bench anybody that's good" for WRs, I don't really buy it. Do you see Bradley starting, Shabba starting? Or Hass, or Rideau, or go on down the line. These guys all had problems with their game. Of course players can flash potential -- even David Tyree made an amazing SB-saving play but that didn't save him from being cut next season. But this meme has more to do with fan exasperation and distrust of coaches than having any root in reality.

  • In reply to Michael L:

    I see your point, but think our mistrust is based on more than simple paranoia. How many times have we been right about a player and knew the management was wrong, but they stubbornly stick to him. I'll make a list.

    Orlando Pace
    Adam Archuleta
    Our entire current offensive line (sans Carimi)
    Taking Hester off kick returns (What part of GOAT don't they understand?)
    Moving Daniella all over the fucking field. (Same with Izzy).
    Roy Fucking Williams (Jury is still out, my ass (And I'm not a huge Knox supporter)
    The Pearl last year
    Who am I forgetting?


  • In reply to Doc Nitty 34:

    Kreutz being washed up
    Moffitt being who we wanted in Rnd 2
    Begging for Asamoah last year

    Calling out manofmoolah for being a fatty and a shit blocker
    Sticking with the butter
    Afalava having no game at safety (although he had his DBB fans)
    Please don't sign Gaines Adams
    C. Taylor was a bad idea as a short yardage back

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Kreutz was injured, we'll see about washed up. Not drafting people? Please.

    Manu was severely injured it turns out. Butter again see my point re: players past their prime recapturing old production. Afalava -- who was better? Gaines Adams? Seriously, they should have known he was going to drop dead of a congenital heart defect? Who here "knew" that?

    I agree on Taylor, except who else did they have? That was a poor fit, but after they had so many goal line problems they had to try something. I didn't hear any other suggestions from the blog. Wolfe? Bell? I don't remember anyone calling out for their names.

  • In reply to Michael L:

    Not to put too fine of a point on it but I think all teams test for heart defects now. It's all hindsight now. Oh well. As far as Afalava, if he was the best option, shame on JA.

  • In reply to Michael L:

    In fairness, DBB guys were criticizing the Gaines Adams signing right off the bat. It had nothing to do with his heart condition; it was his lack of physical presence and a gut feeling he was not going to produce. His death was tragic - nobody here anticipated that, of course.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:


    And not to be a dick, but how long has Michael been here? If you've been around DBB for awhile, you'll know that prior to his tragic death, we all threw tomatoes at Maranelli for his Simeon Rice fetish on that one.

    When Gaines lined up in a uniform, wearing Hamp's 99, but looking like Scottie Pippen wearing a halloween costume, it really didn't look good way before the death thing fell.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Hey don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to crucify anyone here. Sorry, I didn't mean to rankle any feathers. Yep, I know about the past criticism. This will be my 4th season here, although the first year (the '08 season) I only made a few posts.

    Yes, I do remember some of you guys were knocking the move as an ego-trip-fueled "Rice" project, and expressing skepticism as to whether Marinelli's reputation as one of the best DL coaches was really deserved -- or if he was just the lucky recipient of an All-Pro Sapp and a late-blooming Rice.

    I wasn't suggesting you guys didn't express objections. Also I'm not saying any of you were wrong to do so. But I can't see how you can give the coaches or Angelo anything but a free pass on Gaines. Nobody really knows whether it would have panned out -- since they never even got the chance to coach him up. He was acquired mid-season and never made it through the off-season.

    GPL, you're not being a dick. Didn't mean to touch a nerve. But calling a dead dude (who never had time to develop) a bad coaching/personnel decision just didn't sit too well with me... sorry.

  • In reply to Doc Nitty 34:

    I'll grant that they play players past their prime, hoping they can produce as they did in the past -- that covers Snail's Pace, Awfuleta, and probably RW (although the jury should still be out on that one, given he's been practicing all of 3 weeks)..

    Earl is obvious... the guy was injured in the preseason and didn't get up to speed in reps, in his hamstring, or in Martz's trust until several weeks into the regular season.

    So... Izzy was ready to be a starter despite being at DE for years before they moved him to DT? Don't get me wrong I love the kid (one of my top 5 favs on the team). But come on. He was a (stud) special teamer that needed time and development to find a position. He produced at both DT and now DE too. This criticism just doesn't hold water here.

    D.Manning however it might. Though really... did anybody (here or there) know what his position was? I don't think we were "right about a player" and they were wrong here. He was obviously talented, and they searched for a position. He was effective in nickelback and somewhat as a safety, but I don't think anybody here saw that.

    As for Hester, I truly believe they did the right thing taking him off KOR. He was having psychological issues with all the pressure, and being under the microscope by every writer and fan, and he needed to get his head right. Not to mention the mental energies spent learning WR. PR is where he was most likely to get his mojo back, and besides which most of his career was spent only part-time returning kickoffs anyway. I know most of you guys disagree, but I believe they handled Hester's returning "slump" about as best as they could.

  • In reply to Michael L:

    Fair enough, especially the Hester part. But does it take three seasons to get his head right? Give him that first season, sure, but he should have been a full time KR and PR after his first year as a receiver. Jerry Rice might have made a helluva a defensive back, but to take away from his reps at receiver to find out would be stupid.

  • In reply to Doc Nitty 34:

    It wasn't 3 seasons. He had 2 full seasons with no return TDs, but even within those 2 seasons he had several that were very close. It wasn't even clear he was truly in a slump until late in that first season (yeah yeah I don't mean a slump in production, but a slump in his head).

    He had a PR TD in his last game of 2007. He had a PR TD in his 3rd(?) game of 2010. So only 2 seasons of no TDs, of which at least half of the first season his confidence was still there, just wasn't getting the breaks.

    So I submit his slump was really only one partial season + one full season. They took him off KOR partway through that second season. I submit that it worked, and today we have a legit WR who is also a major PR/KOR threat. BTW, I call that you will see Hester on KOR at some point this year (provided the new rule doesn't eliminate KORs).

  • In reply to Michael L:

    I wasn't talking about slumps. I was talking about D Manning as our #1 KR for the last three seasons. During Hester's third season, the move was good, because Hester struggled and Manning was rockin' hit. And maybe it was the right decision BECAUSE Manning was so good. Either way, in my book, if you remove the GOAT from one of the positions in which he was the GOAT for more than that one season (2008), you're being a BOAT (Bat-shit-crazyiest Of All Time).

  • In reply to Doc Nitty 34:


  • In reply to BigDaddy:

    I'll agree on Anderson.
    In fairness though they did demote Vasher. When they signed him to a big contract, he was still performing. It was after the Lions game when he injured his groin that he was never the same again. But the coaches did demote him -- so he's not a case of failed personnel evaluation.
    Well, maybe keeping for so many years in hopes he'd regain his Pro Bowl form was. But I already admitted they clearly are guilty of doing that too much.

  • In reply to Michael L:

    You mention Bradley, Shabba, and Rideau Michael (I don't have any opinion on Hass), but Hester and Knox are hardly the finished articles either. It's why the others were shipped out so readily I don't get, they weren't bad receivers ...

    And re the flaming RW is getting ( I have to be careful because I didn't see the game) - what about all those games where our first round TE disappeared, didn't block or dropped balls. What about the games where Knox killed us by blowing routes or just playing dumb? RW is in the process of getting his eye in there, getting fitter. When he starts doing that in the regular season then he'll deserve a roasting, I just think that folks have the rose-tinted spectacles on concerning Knox and Hester as receivers.
    Had we invested a second round pick for

    Brandon Marshall when he was being shopped, the secondary and tertiary receiver talk becomes almost irrelevant. Better to have a true #1 and a bag of dicks than just a bag of dicks.

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    None of those guys were given more than a look by other teams, other than Bradley who was given a real shot at starting. (But he was let go here because he couldn't stay healthy.)

    By contrast, you don't think Knox or Hester would get immediately snapped up if they were let go by the Bears, and given a chance to win starting positions? Those guys are being given a legitimate chance to develop, if only for that reason alone.

    You really don't think there's a difference between the likes of Bradley/Shabba/Rideau and Knox/Hester? Also you don't think Knox/Hester have a realistic chance of turning into a Marques Colston or Miles Austin or better?

  • No suprise of RW. He had the most drops in the league last yr and possibly in the past several. The dude is a pretty boy talker that doesn't like to get hit. A bad case of alligator arms. It didn't affect him as much early in his career with his speed, but he's lost a step and flying safeties and corners have gained one. That's why I was clamoring for Plax. Hell, I would have rather taken a chance on the mental case Edwards. If his performance doesn't change soon, Lovie has to make a stand against stubborn Martz and get Johnny in there with the first team.

  • In reply to Crown:

    Roy Williams has had the highest percentage of dropped passes the last three years with receivers having over 200 balls thrown their way. He's also 3rd in completion % of balls thrown his way. One of the guys he's ahead of is Braylon Edwards (hint, hint).,0,2789069.column

  • Damn.

    I really did get owned last night. I went back over to last night's thread, and see that when The Gnome was finished fucking me in the ass, he still had the presence of mind to spluge in my eye. Thank you Jimmy. Thank you. Kind of stings.

  • In reply to Doc Nitty 34:

    the Gnome's Python

    (Web joke)

  • Waters is a vet free agent, still has gas -is a proven locker room leader because Garza is not, we could plug him at RG, and he would be a huge boost over LL, and Spencer could still back up at center.

  • Oh, and I agree with some of the others. The Pearl is our best receiver. And while I base this notion on nothing but heresay and a gut feeling, I think Hester is going to have an awesome year at receiver and returner. I think we should lose the RW cancer and keep Sanzenhammershlonger in the rotation.

    Fuck RW right the face.

  • Sazen hasn't shown me bupkus yet. It's like a girl with office ass that just signed up for the buns & guns class at the gym. There's potential, but it hasn't been proven yet. If it comes down to Bell vs. him, I'm taking Kalil right now. Shabba Ranks out.

  • In reply to Crown:

    Rickenbacker has office ass. Brilliant!

  • In reply to Crown:

    Love the analogy, Crown. Way too funny! Bell didn't do much Monday but he's a core ST'er. Dane is either our poor man's Wes Welker or a waste of roster space.

  • Free Mustache Rides

  • Be careful coach, you might get tea bagged!

  • What we have in Roy is a big bodied receiver who is unreliable when it comes to catching the ball.

    I guess the question should be, "Is it better to have exhibit A(Roy) or exhibit B(our Smurfs-take your pick)"?. Either way, we still have a challenging task when it comes to the passing game. Signing Roy only reshuffled the shell game.

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    Johnny Knox was responsible for 50% of the interceptions with <20% of the throws. He has a vert/ beating defenders/ running his routes problem.

  • In reply to Evony Pma:

    based on your handle is was thinking that the next line of your post was going to be some reference to my small flaccid penis and how if I want to go all night like real man I should buy cheap generic cialis knockoff pills for only 5.00. And Nike Armani Ralph Lauren rock bottom pricing.

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    +1 on the spam smell

    Esp with the left field swoop down.

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    Don't sweat the small stuff Waffy. At least you still have one.

  • In reply to BigDaddy:

    now that is unfortunate.

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  • In reply to BigDaddy:

    ...“Everyone agrees that Phillip Seaton ... has the right to decide what is going to happen to his penis,”...

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    Don't forget Air Jordans!

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    Cordriceps, Waffle, Cordriceps.

  • I'm going to go out on a limb here. I am concerned about RW because of his pussy response to some reporter calling him out on his drop. He had the audacity to say it wasn't a drop. That is not the attitude of a winner. HOWEVER, i still think he is going to make plays this year but i don't want Jay forcing it to him, just throw it to him if he is open. You don't have to have all or nothing god damnit. You can play Bennett, Knox, WIlliams and Hester with a little sprinkle of Hurd and White Knight and spread that ball around like Crown used to spread his ball juice around before he done gone and fucked it up by gettin married.

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    The question is, does RW have a peach fuzzy moustache?

  • As we all know, ESPN hates dem some Bears.

    I went to the deli to get a ham sammich (extra bacon, no butter) and today's ESPN moment, they call it something stupid that "That gettin them some" moment - was of course, Pringles overrun on Jacobs. They looped it, with Pringles looking extra stupid in a loop falling to the ground like his legs buckled, as Jacobs took it home.

    Man, ESPN. They sure hate 'dem Bears.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Fuck ESPN, in the face.


  • Hey my bad if I came off like prick earlier. I'm generally not a fan of laying blame for everything bad at the coaches' or management's feet -- so I can get a little testy sometimes.
    I just found it a little extra difficult to swallow when they got criticized because somebody died of a tragedy before there was time to see if the move was going to pan out. (Gaines was acquired mid-season and never even made it through OTAs.) I do respect your guys' opinions on things and like hearing them, so if I came across as otherwise... then mea culpa.

  • In reply to Michael L:

    I didn't think you did, not remotely...

  • not sure if this was posted yet but WTF!!!!!

    The drops? What happened? Who had a drop? I had a drop? I didn't have a drop, but if you want to count it, you can.


  • Com'n Fort Knox:

  • What LDL with a snide remark: really:?

    about the D

    “Injury-wise, we don’t have any,” Smith said. “Of course, you’ve got to tackle a little bit better before you start talking injuries.”


  • In reply to lobotobear:

    That is mean Lovie right there.

  • In reply to gpldan:


  • JUST IN:

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    Then Roy carries Johnny's pads.

    Seriously, this is insane. Where did this guy GO?

  • In reply to gpldan:

    GP...did you notice all highlight -Detroit except for the last minute out of almost 8 minutes...damn I wish THAT GUY would show up...this is just another Todd Collins fiasco! F#$!@$K ME MARTZY!

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    Outside of Holmes catch in the Super Bowl over the Cards to win it, that sideline catch at the 4 minute mark is the best sideline catch I've ever seen. Part of it is the throw and the millisecond timing, but that catch is awesome.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Wow, I could definitely get on board with RW if he plays like that.

    I don't know what he needs to get back to that, but whatever it is I hope they figure it out soon...

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    Honestly, they need to make sure he knows that there is no guarantee he makes the roster.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    I think that's a given. Once you say "you might not be a starter" then any vet has to know he might not even make the roster -- especially if they don't play ST. Or that he might be dropped for a younger player that does play ST at any point.

  • The Broncos should have put Tebow on a golden chariot right after he ran that comeback against the Texans last year, and dealt him to a bible belt state. Back up Matt Ryan in Atlanta, or maybe play for Carolina.

    The Broncos have to seriously think about asking him to play TE.;_ylt=ArhOaKnMH9rm0N2_1o9U8z5DubYF?slug=ms-silver_denver_broncos_quarterbacks_082311

  • In reply to gpldan:

    espn radio in swfla had a big pol todayl and were wondering if alot of tebows criticism was brought on by his spiritual stance....they felt backing up manning in indy was a good spot for him.... 3-4 years as a grasshopper under the master oughta help

  • Hey, evaluating talent, esp from a distance is not easy.

    I'll be the first to admit that I've made a few bad mistakes (non bigger than thinking the Texans were crazy for choosing M.Williams over Bush, although in my defense Bush helped the Saints win a SB, and that's what draft picks are supposed to do).

    And I'm relatively new to this blog (only my second season), but I must say, the DBB is pretty good at smelling out BS players like Butter, Collins...with some small disagreements on others like Olsen, Shabba...

    It's still too early to properly evaluate Paea, Roy, Sanchen, Webb, Carimi...what worries me (and I'm sure others) is that if the DBB can see a trainwreck coming (like Collins last year) and management/coaching doesn't, that does not bode well for the Bears.

    You can teach knowledge, but not common sense, and that seemingly trivial decision to promote Collins to 2nd string last year cost us a SB. Those are mistakes not easily forgotten.

  • In reply to 4ever85:

    4E85...I think Al posted this multiple times but it fits right in with your last paragraph:

    id·i·ot   [id-ee-uht] Show IPA
    1.Informal . an utterly foolish or senseless person.
    2.Psychology . (no longer in technical use; considered offensive) a person of the lowest order in a former and discarded classification
    of mental retardation, having a mental age of less than three years old and an intelligence quotient under 25.
    3. Bears Management

    o.k..o.k..o.k. I adding number three but it seemed to fit just right!

  • In reply to 4ever85:

    And you can't teach speed, so I don't know how World Wide Webb is going to deal with speed off the edge when teams are showing their neat stuff on DL. We really do need to get off the bus running .... I think Lovie knows that but Martz doesn't care.

  • maybe martz should listen to bob dylan more before choosing recievers to acquire,....the bard says ,"you can always come back, but you can't come back all the way".....
    now i have never played the game, but it would seem that if yer trying to find a good steak, you don't need to stick your head up a bulls ask the butcher..(.that is a shout out to my dad,from ,stockyard cattle chaser, to jewel butcher for bout 30 years).
    who is the bears butcher for the recievers...if you are gonna learn to run correct routes who is the mentor that you can relate to in the bears lockeroom.....would hiring better coaching, meaning an ex great reciever help this get any better.....i get frustrated at athletes who come to a hard working organization, and bring a mentality of "slack" from other orgs. and you get this i'll get into it mode next year.....shttt life is about the now... it aint happening anyplace else in the future...i think this kind of crap hurts knox's offseason effort and mental strength that he brought to camp,,,it was called momentum and he had it building, roy should have come in shared reps at best and worked his way into a staring role....treat him like spencer....if you are the truth we'll figure it out.....
    where has my man the human missile , the saviour of all things special been, i need a hurd sighting this game....barber brought some energy with him for this season.....maybe some of that rubbed off on hurd

  • In reply to huntinbare:

    It's up to Johnny what he does with it. I hope it gives him a crazy sort of determination to prove he is better in every. single. aspect. of being a WR.

  • In reply to huntinbare:

    You need either a great coach or a great receiver to coach up the WRs. I don't see anything on our roster/staff to teach a receiver what's what. If Steve Young learned the game of football by sitting on the bench behind Jimmy Mac, who does Knox or Hester look to? Darfl fkn Drake? Who IS Daryl fkn Drake?

  • one more thought,,, want me to go over to miami an spring garret aaaawwwwooooo from the slammer....maybe he could tackle for a while on specials while the newbies "get into it",,,,,just a thought from a panicked mind....

  • In reply to huntinbare:

  • In reply to gpldan:

    He's gangsta - you know how it is

  • In reply to gpldan:

    did adam sport those elvis chops and hairstyle when he was inking in chicago...if so i get the nashville connection.....i'd like earl to put that crown on a super bowl football

  • In reply to gpldan:

    thank you.......i wish his spirit came to the bears in a bigger body.....i left dekalb in i"m always rootin for the huskies.....his mug shot in the papers down here was brutal.....i am sure he got trashed in the minds of many a critic....i have to admit it looked and sounded bad in print....every tattoo has a story...after hearing how he grew up i can see how he could react to police with violence...i have seen more than one create trouble and try to escalate the tension in miami

  • Not a bad AAR by Biggs here... including the same quote mentioned by loboto above:,0,1793785,full.story

  • i hope cutler is being stand up when he says knox's abilities are known; and he will be a big part of the plan.....i expect RW to produce positive results, hopefully his high risk character produces big time results.....every chicago championship team has to have a few "colorful" athletes who have a way of drawing attention......he is no rodman, but it is funny how jay stopped seeing a reality star just a few weeks before he hooked up with another

  • i just read an article in the sun times by sean jensen that gives a good description of how drake motivates roy .....he threatens to take the keys and make him sit in the back seat if he is not going to be responsible........he said the car could be johnny knox's to drive in the atlanta grand prix.....he debunks roy's contention that the db made a good play on the ball "after " HE caught it.....drake let him know that he was a fewwwwww steps off on his timing, and that the db should not have been a factor >>>>>if he was where he was supposed to be<<<<<<<< you are faster when you are in shape.... right roy.......oh and it is not coach drakes responsibility for roy to be in shape......THAT IS A PRETTY GOOD TRIP TO THE WOODSHED......lets see if he takes this well.... and does a jknox with some kinda positive attitude towards sure takes alot of extra mechanic work to get these ferrari's out of the garage.....are they a high maintanance auto all season? ........please wake up son and earn your keep

  • In reply to huntinbare:

    When does Drake earn HIS keep? He ain't cuttin' the mustard ....

  • Johnny Knox put on 10 pounds of muscle this off-season, and maybe gave up a little speed.
    He was a fifth round pick out of a division 2 school who made the team. He was supposed to be inactive in the first game, but Aromo got hurt. Johnny worked his way into the lineup under the great Ron Turner. He caught a bunch of meaningless short passes under the genius Turner.
    In 2010 Johnny and everyone else had to learn a completely different offense. Did he fuck up many times? Yes. He also made a lot of clutch plays.
    Knox, Bennett, and even Hester are just starting to develop at receiver. Knox and Bennett are really going into their 3rd year as a receiver, when big steps start happening. Get Roy out of the way.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    Not only was he a 5th round pick, he was DENVER's fifth round pick on the Orton trade. We have them a 1 and a 2 and Orton, they gave us Cutler. We said, hey about Cutler and ummm.... this ashtray. Oh wait, with Ginny's oxygen we can't smoke... ok, um... how about a fifth rounder.

    And Denver said, FINE, whatever, just take Jay because he makes Josh MickyD cry and just GO - and so we took the pick and selected Johnny Knox.

    Funny how that is....

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    Johnny maybe made some clutch plays but he's no clutch receiver. And what's with getting Speedy Knox and Madman Melton to bulk up and lose what was their (only?) good point?

  • I won't argure Bennet or Knox becasue I am not sure. One thing that I am sure of is Roy William can't now or has he ever been a good NFL receiver. One other thing that I have just come to realize (I'm admit to being slow) Drake is no NFL wide receiver coach. He and Williams can both leave as far as I am concerned.

  • In reply to Oscar:

    I like the ideas in your post, and I must say given the lack of "development" of Bears receivers I have to agree on Drake.

    Be forewarned, however, that shit will get some form of grammar/spelling Nazi on your ass on this blog. And I must confess I am tempted...

  • This has Lovie Smith written all over it. Either Knox missed a team BBQ, didn't participate in a group hug, or something else ridiculous; this is punishment for that.

    It goes back to Lovie wanting the Bears to play "Bear Football" which to him means the only real passes they throw are to running backs. Lovie is a good coach, but sometimes I think he puts too much focus on players off-the-field attitude and not enough on their performance.

  • In reply to Turgul:

    This has Jerry Angelo written all over it. The media and fans have been mindlessly slavering over getting a "big #1 receiver", and so Angela got one.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    I disagree with both of you. This has Martz written all over it. He yanked D.Clark after 1 game because he dropped an endzone pass. He sent Aromashodu to the doghouse after 1 game because he didn't fight for the balls, and his timing was off (his mantra is "be where the QB expects you to be").

    Martz doesn't put up with receivers that don't do their job. With backups, they get a short leash -- practically no leash in fact. Knox was a starter, and productive, and runs good routes -- so he got a longer leash. But also Martz had nobody else who had the same level of training at the split end position last year to replace him with (Bennett was injured for most of camp).

    This year he does. It's really as simple as that. He wants Knox to fix his shit so he demotes him (temporarily), and you know what? It's working. Knox is working his ass off right now.

  • In reply to Michael L:

    Well, let's see ... LDL, Martz, Angela, Drake, Phillips .... we're back to square one ... fire every last one of them ... two years ago please.

  • Mmmmmmm, for the blues fans in the crowd.

  • R.Williams is in a bit of a crazy world of his own. Cutler is throwing him a bit of a bone though --

    The thing is he actually seemed somewhat humble and self-aware of the position he was in at the start of camp --

    I really don't know what to make of him yet. Hopefully the reports of Drake tearing into him, and Martz calling him out, wakes him up and puts a real chip on his shoulder. He needs to play like he has something to prove, like he did when on the Lions. Although really... if he gets relegated to backup status, but this whole episode makes Knox a better receiver, then maybe Roy will have served his main purpose here after all.

  • In reply to Michael L:

    I agree with you Michael and this article seems to back you up. The only coach giving Roy a pass is Martz. Drake actually rips him.

  • Still haven't read a word about Garza at Center ........

    More running .....

    More targeting of KD .....

    More looks for Hurd .......

    More competition .......

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    Hurd has been hurt and in a walking boot. Don't get your knickers in a twist yet.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Forgot about that MBHAP ! Hope he doesn't fall prey to the Brandon Lloyd syndrome .... injured, therefore can be dispensed with. Oh dear.

  • Let's get to where it's at ... your locks please ....

    7/4 New Orleans Saints @ Green Bay Packers 4/9
    6/5 Pittsburgh Steelers @ Baltimore Ravens 4/6
    11/8 Detroit Lions @ Tampa Bay Buccaneers 4/7
    8/11 Atlanta Falcons @ Chicago Bears 11/10
    12/5 Buffalo Bills @ Kansas City Chiefs 1/3
    2/5 Philadelphia Eagles @ St Louis Rams 2/1
    2/1 Cincinnati Bengals @ Cleveland Browns 2/5
    13/10 Tennessee Titans @ Jacksonville Jaguars 8/13
    4/7 New York Giants @ Washington Redskins 11/8
    11/5 Carolina Panthers @ Arizona Cardinals 4/11
    2/1 Seattle Seahawks @ San Francisco 49ers 2/5
    3/1 Minnesota Vikings @ San Diego Chargers 1/4
    7/4 Dallas Cowboys @ New York Jets 4/9
    1/3 New England Patriots @ Miami Dolphins 12/5
    6/5 Oakland Raiders @ Denver Broncos 4/6

  • And for those who baulked at the idea of T.O as a Bear ... anyone changed their mind?

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    (Grabs the Grammar Police hat from SC Dave)

    Baulk sounds like something you do to the grout around your bathtub. A balk is an illegal motion or feint by a pitcher in baseball, and also when you object to something somebody does.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    We on DBB, do like to be thorough ....

    Pronunciation:/bɔːlk, bɔːk/
    (chiefly US also balk)

    hesitate or be unwilling to accept an idea or undertaking:he baulked at such a drastic solution
    [with object] thwart or hinder (a plan or person):he raised every objection he could to baulk this plan
    [with object] (baulk someone of) prevent a person or animal from having (something):a tiger baulked of its prey
    [with object] archaic miss or refuse (a chance or invitation):it’s got to be done , so why baulk it?
    (with reference to a horse) refuse or cause to refuse to go on:[no object] :he baulked, both forefeet thrust stiffly in front of him[with object] :most of the horses were baulked and refused


    1 a roughly squared timber beam:a baulk of timber
    2 the area on a billiard table between the baulk line and the bottom cushion, within which in some circumstances a ball is protected from a direct stroke.
    3 Baseball :an unlawful action made by a pitcher that may deceive a base runner.
    4 a ridge left unploughed between furrows.


    late Old English balc, from Old Norse bálkr 'partition'. The original use was ‘unploughed ridge’, later ‘land left unploughed by mistake’, hence ‘blunder, omission’, giving rise to the verb use ‘miss (a chance)’. A late Middle English sense ‘obstacle’ gave rise to the verb senses ‘hesitate’ and ‘hinder’

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    TO is gimped up. Maybe with a full camp i'd consider having TO. But adding him halfway throught the season? Fuck no. The bears have a better chance of renaming the team the fucktards than signing TO.

  • Maybe we're just getting pre-season premature ejaculation jitters, and things will iron out by week six, we'll steamroll into the playoffs and smack the mess out of the Packers, preferably in the NFC Champs game.

  • Darryl Drake on RW: ‘‘He’s not where he needs to be, and he knows that. He and I have talked about that — and the good thing is, you’ve got Johnny Knox, who’s fighting and working hard. And believe you me, Roy understands Johnny’s there. Johnny’s hungry, and Johnny wants his spot back. If things don’t start changing, then Johnny’s going to be in there. That’s straight from the horse’s mouth.’’

    It's about damn time someone stopped kissing Roy's ass.

  • hey , did you guys know we have Roy Williams on the team and Darryl Drake ripped into him the other day??

  • Hee hee:

    One day last week at training camp, a Bears public relations assistant escorted fellow rookie Chris Conte to a radio appearance under the impression it was the unassuming, undrafted wide receiver from Ohio State. Conte was confused, the PR guy embarrassed and Sanzenbacher as cool as ever.

    "Don't worry," Sanzenbacher deadpanned to the staffer. "We all look alike."


    Protect him

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