Audibles for a Thursday Morning

Audibles for a Thursday Morning

Outside of conditions (field doesn't work, lights don't work) prohibiting the Bears from actually practicing in a normal way, this has been a relatively unexciting training camp from a roster perspective.


Here is the quote from Mike Martz regarding Johnny Knox not being on the field as a starter right now:

"He just has to get better. He has to play better," Martz told the Tribune on Wednesday. "That's all. It's just like when Johnny came in, Earl (Bennett) was the starter. We pushed Earl aside for Johnny because of the speed. We kind of gave that job to Johnny. That wasn't really earned. And once you get in this league, you should earn.

"He just was not ready, not because he can't do it or he's not talented. The preparation, the consistency that's required … he does a lot of good things, but they have to be good all the time. That's what Roy is.

It's very interesting to hear the Bears tell us they were fielding a player at the starting x receiver position a year ago who they did not feel had earned the right to be a starting receiver.  Wasn't this what the media wrote and fans argued and was constantly bashed by the coaching staff and front office?  So they're admitting to lying about "liking their wide receivers"?


Dane Sanzenbacher and Chris Conte are the focal points of this camp wrap-up in the Sun-Times and they'll be the focal points for coaches and fans Saturday night.  Sanzenbacher finds himself behind Roy, Devin, Knox, Earl and Hurd at WR but a solid preseason might enable him to leap into a consistent role in the slot.  Safety remains a position where the Bears have zero depth and Conte may be called upon for real action if injuries attack Major Wright or Chris Harris.  Conte needs solid showings this summer, staring against Buffalo Saturday night.

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  • Trade Knox after he runs back his first TD in preseason.

  • Maybe if he didn't quit on slants, or if he learned how to fight for jump balls, someone would actually trade for him.

  • I do think the BT liked the receiving corps coming out of camp last summer, then, week one happened. Shabba had an unforgivable (in Martz' mind) endzone drop, and Knox struggled to be in the right place at the right time throughout the season. Not to mention that he consistently was bounced off his route.

    I do think Knox will fetch a fair price on the trade market , and agree with Willie that he is being used as a kick returner to increase his value.

    Offensively, the one glaring area of need as far as I am concerned is the goal line/short yardage offense. We left too many points on the field and too much time on the clock because we could not convert. I believe Matt Spaeth/Kellen Davis/Marion Barber/and a more cohesive line will increase our productivity in those situations, which will make our offense that much stronger.

    Defensively, Anthony Adams needs to get well soon. If the Okoye and Gholston gamble pays-off, Orange Julius will have a monster year. The weakness as I see it, is the CB position. We can be beat on the edges. Note to Chris Harris - keep nose in playbook, you can't be caught out of position as much as you were last year, and your replacement is an intelligent rookie with more range. Looking forward to Marinelli's sophmore year as a play caller. What he did to Green Bay in our last two meetings should have resulted in at least one win. (FUCK)

    GET SOME!!

  • In reply to Viva:

    I'll buy all that Viva. Shabba was a victim of the 'doghouse' that Dez disappeared into. Shabba's highlight reel rivals anyone's on the roster. It's ahrd to fathom who the chief is in Chicago.

  • See this is what unsettles me about fucking martz.

    Not only did he shit the bed on balanced play calls last year even after he should have learnt his lesson the first time, but he locked out shabba instead of working with him (yes, you can say that about greggie too, but I chose shabba). I get we don’t know the whole story, but all I can go off is what we saw on the field. Yes, I was just as vocal as some of you about Knox causing many picks last year, but the dude is YOUNG and was really good in his first two years when compared to other new WRs (crabtree?).

    I mean, what the fuck is this instant shitlisting that Martz does… publically no less. If I was knox I would tell him to go fuck himself and would ask for a trade too. Dude might not be a #1 yet, but he put up great numbers for a rookie and a 2nd year guy, and he has tons of upside once he gets bigger and better and stops letting corners rape him.

    Just fucking stupid Martz. We don’t even know if RW (OR Hurd) will even pan out yet you dumb fuck?!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    You can't motivate everybody the same way. He may feel that JK needs a public ass chewing to play the way he needs to in this offense.

  • In reply to Viva:

    maybe viva... but publically saying someone didn't earn the spot after being our #1 receiver last year? Uhhhh, I don’t get that methodology.

    Never read anything about public humiliation as a motivational vehicle in Jack Welsh's books.

    …but you’re a marine, so we may have a different perspective:


  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Just means he's onj the way out of Chicago MB. They wouldn't chew out out his chocolate-box unless he was exiting stage left.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Knox is getting Hanie'd. Yes, a couple of Jay's INTs last yr were due to the kid not fighting for the ball enough, but he showed he can seperate at WR more than skunk. And I was enthused by the fact the kid bulked up in the offseason. Now he has the body to fight for the jump balls. If RW stays healthy, I see Knox supplanting Skunk in the starting line up at some point this yr, with Devin returning to full time specials duties. The Pearl will contribute consistently and get a fair share of looks. KD will be a nice big target for Jay, but he needs to get better at blocking. I'm not in favor of trading this kid. He is probably faster than 23 at this point, or close.

  • In reply to Crown:

    yep, right there with you crown.

  • In reply to Crown:

    Well, in the end... I would assume we AREN'T going to trade him.

    If we had any inkling to trade the guy, would you really want the OC saying these things? Essentially that he's not as good as we made him out to be (stats-wise), and that we don't need him?

    I agree he did better than Crabtree, but put Crabtree on our squad last year and I think he blows the other guys out of the water. I think Crabtree's bigger issue was named Alex Smith... Not to mention Davis, Gore, and Singletary. Then again, I didn't watch more than 2 SF games... Strictly assumptions.

  • In reply to Crown:

    Crown, it's possible but see my response to 85 on the last thread... Knox doesn't play the same position as Hester, and they haven't repped him in that position either, so I'm not sure that that happens.

    As for why they play different positions, see my response -- basically they have different skillsets. That could change of course, but I've not heard any signs of that thus far.

    Agreed however on Knox bulking up... I'm glad to hear that. I'm hoping that means he's committed to learning how to play defenders better and improving his technique. I think the kid has value to the team, and don't really want to see him traded.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Martz blew his wad on Manu last year. Gee guess what? The Bears cut him this year. Martz has been our biggest headache from a coaching standpoint. If the Bears go 2-4 out of the gate, Tice will replace him as OC just in time to "maybe" salvage the season. Losing is not an option for the Bears front office (only because they've spent to much money to allow the season to go down the tubes) and I see Martz as the red herring that has no future with the Bears based on our style of play, field and weather conditions.

  • In reply to BigDaddy:


    Out the fire, into the fryin pan.

    like tice as the line coach (although it has given jerry an excuse not to upgrade the line at all), but see vikings 2002-2005 for why he should NOT be anything more.

  • In reply to BigDaddy:

    The Bears made the playoffs only twice during Waddle's six year stint. And, I suggest you take a look at Tommy's playoff numbers vs Dallas in the 1991 playoff game.

    And, Tice to OC? You deserve a big ol' Keyshaun "C'Monnnnn Mannnnn" for that.

  • In reply to Crown:

    Have some goddamn respect for Tommy Waddle. He was one of the toughest receivers ever to wear the navy and orange.

  • In reply to Crown:

    What do you think I meant by "tough as nails"? Respect? Respect? Did you say respect?

  • In reply to Crown:

    Toughest receiver I ever saw come to think of it.

  • In reply to Crown:

    crown, trac is trying... go easy my man.

  • In reply to BigDaddy:

    Seriously Tice as OC?? Mike "Randy Ratio" Tice?

    Agreed with the others, Tice deserves respect as a line coach, but he has shown no proclivity to be able to handle a OC job. He wasn't even defacto OC when he was head coach, and has never demonstrated knowledge of expertise in designing or running an offense...

  • In reply to Michael L:

    If Martz gets canned in the middle of the season, who in thee hell would the Bears be able to hire to take his place. No one. Hence my Tice comment. You guys don't seriously think I want Tice as our OC do you? Maybe I should have said Drake or Toub.

  • In reply to BigDaddy:

    Yeah Drake could maaaybe do it, he probably has the best shot. But it probably wouldn't be pretty.

    Toub would be a long shot at best. I don't know what Tim Spencer's or Mike DeBord's (actually was he the last TE coach or the current?) background is. I think basically they're f00ked if they actually can Martz mid-season. I just don't see that happening since they appear to have no viable options if they do.

  • In reply to BigDaddy:

    Oooh, oooh, let's let Lovie call the Offense. That would go well.

  • In reply to BigDaddy:

    Dammit, it's dropping my responses now even when it says it succeeded, wtf?

    Anyway Drake possibly could. It would be a stretch for Toub. I don't know Tim Spencer (RBs)'s or Mike DeBord (TEs? or was he the last TE coach?)'s backgrounds. Given the lack of realistic options, there's just no way I see the FO giving Martz the boot mid-season. One way or another they are going to let him ride out the season...

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    What, this is just a milder version of the "god" of Chicago football, Mike Ditka. Or Buddy Ryan for that matter (calling Frig a "wasted draft pick").

    Yet one Super Bowl and all that bullshit is forgotten.

    I'm with Dent - the Bears won a Super Bowlk because of Ditka, and did not win three because of Ditka.

  • Totally off subject, but could bill romanowski be any more batshit crazy than he is?

    Man, legitimately mentally disturbed and roid rage meathead freak do not mix well (I'm lookin at you max).

  • Really looking forward to seeing Shizen Shlonger. When was the last time the Bears had a good caucasion receiver? Even Dez White sucked.

  • You gotta respect Waddle's toughness Coach.

  • In reply to Crown:

    Waddle was tough as nails but I don't remember him doing anything in the playoffs. That dude was Harbaugh's security blanket and he paid the price for it.

  • In reply to BigDaddy:

    Double time. The Bears made the playoffs only twice during Waddle's six year stint. And, I suggest you take a look at Tommy's playoff highlights vs Dallas in the 1991 playoff game.

    And, Tice to OC? You deserve a big ol' Keyshaun "C'Monnnnn Mannnnn" for that.

  • In reply to Crown:

    I was implying our team pretty much sucked back then Crown. Or at the very least they were just a shadow of the 85 Bears. I never said Martz will fail this year, only was implying that if he does, the Bears will push him out early.

  • In reply to Crown:

    Waddle played 20 years ago.

  • My handful of second-team players I'm looking to be big time contributors: Graham, Iwuh, DJ in the nickel, and Barber.

  • NB, good post last thread btw. You nailed it sir.

    Angelo just doesn't get it man. I’ve to come to that conclusion, there's no other possible logical explanation.

  • In reply to MB30SD:


  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I dunno man. Trading Olsen. Now possibly trading Knox. Picking up a project in Roy Williams? So much talk about letting our young guys develop. It sounds like the staff is already in rebuilding mode.

    I believe the difference between the Patriots and the rest of the league is that Bill Belchik recognizes talent when he sees it and then he knows how to maximize the value of that talent on the field. That's how he got Tom Brady, that's how he always has a zillion draft picks, that's how his team consistently fights for a playoff spot. Last season, they had a young defense that was "developing" in the midst of a playoff berth. Belchik knows how to build a team in one year, not three.

    We waste entirely too many opportunities in Chicago. Shaba was one. Knox could be another. If we don't get some depth on the D, all these DT and DE moves will be another waste because the secondary will get shredded by guys like Rodgers (look at Detroit).

    Olsen is a great example. A lot of guys hated him, but in the right system he's a great contributor. Rather than try to make it work (and it was working last year), we traded him for a third round pick? Coming off a championship season? I get that we would have preferred the pick for the 2011 draft, but that didn't happen. We should have traded for a player - he would have been worth a decent guard to somebody, even if we had to give up our third rounder in 2012 instead. Another wasted opportunity.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    I don't give bellacheat "all" the credit NB. Look at the owner of the team. Kraft has lots of money and wants to win first, support his relatives second. The McCaskey's have lots of money and want to keep as much of it as they can for all the suckling teets in the family. The only reason they're spending some of it now is because they didn't want any more billboards going up. MB is right. The McCaskeys suck as owners and are concerned with milking the cow till the teets come off.

  • In reply to BigDaddy:

    I agree 100%, Bob Kraft is a great owner. He spends when he needs to, doesn't put his nose where he doesn't understand, and commands the respect and professionalism of the players.

  • I'm interested in Taylor.

    After last year, I thought he'd be toast... Then we got Barber, and I wondered if Taylor was still on the squad.

    Then I saw the depth chart and wondered what the hell is going on?

    Maybe package CT and JK and get us some secondary help? I can't imagine many teams wanting to pick up Taylor's contract... so I figured we would just release him.

    Very confused.

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    $$$$$$$$$ Willie. Taylor has the bigger contract and this will be his 2nd year in our system. I give him till the end of week 4(Lovie's 1st Qtr) before Barber replaces him if he continues to get stuffed.

  • In reply to BigDaddy:

    Taylor's contract is actually pretty reasonable. He got most of his money up front.

    I had more to say about this, but apparently once every 5 minutes is "too quickly." No wonder I don't come here as often.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    See part B newbear: 2nd year in the system. Once Barber gets the playbook down he'll supplant Taylor.

  • In reply to BigDaddy:

    Cannot understand the hate for Taylor on here. He rocked in Minny, and all of a sudden can't play in Chicago? C'mon guys. Our line sucked and just got worse, we all know it. Nobody could rush behind the line we had except Walter Payton. They sent Chester straight up the middle behind Achilles Kreutz, CW and old man Garza. He was a scapegoat. Forte got his runs outside behind TEs. We have a great backfield. Just no-one to pass-block.

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    Then why bring in Barber when we have Williams, Unga and Taylor?

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    thank you sir.

    Lately you have teetered between clairvoyant-like lucidity (this) and unintelligible madness (knox).

    How's the new gig irish? Money's cool huh? Rich people lie when they tell you it can’t buy happiness.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    It's one hell of a down-payment.

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    He objectively sucked ass in the run game. He wasn't even good in space last year.

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    Taylor sucked an xl sized bag o dicks last year

  • All at once, even.

  • My god:

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    That's what happens when you monkey around.

  • In reply to BigDaddy:

    wow. I couldn’t even muster a joke on this one... I was going to, but then just couldn't. Bad trac.

    Life's all fun and games until a rabid fucking ape rips your face, hands, and genitals off. Jebus man, mother nature at her most brutal. Poor woman.

    And NB, I don’t know if we’re rebuilding. I think it LOOKS like we are, but there doesn’t seem to be any cohesive, comprehensive strategy for all phases. This looks a whole lot more like basic incompetence. I know I am a jerry basher, probably the biggest one here, but looking objectively at this… I just can’t piece together what he’s trying to do. It hasn’t worked for the last three years (yes, last year was nice, but we lost when it counted and we used up all of our luck tokens), so why will it this year?

    I’m hoping that they (and viva) prove me wrong, but I just can’t see it.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    C'mon MB. The woman that owned that thing was friggin crazy. She drank wine with it, they took baths together and slept in the same bed with it. Plus the stupid lady had several dangerous situations occur with the monkey prior to that incident. I feel horrible for the one that got mauled but they never should have let the situation go that far.

  • In reply to BigDaddy:

    with you on the whacko owner trac, but the friend had no culpability. She got the monkey shaft (no pun) on that deal.

    What a miserable existence, count me out of that shit. Just let me die.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    As horrible as that lady's disfigurement was, Oprah's ass still won.

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:


  • In reply to Crown:

    Tee hee. Always down for an Oprah joke.

  • New Bear bringing up the posting too quick matter. I guess our game day thread will be a waste of time. We had some great at the moment conversations over the past years. Now we want to comment on a play or something this fucking site is gonna put a damper on it all. We need a game day blog somewhere we can get our comments out. One of you IT guys here start something somewhere we can talk about the game while its happening!

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    Steps to stop too fast posting and lost posts:

    1. Do all of your posts in an email or MSFT Word first
    2. Cut and paste into the blog
    3. If you get the too fast message, reload the blog and try again (usually works for me)

    I think we can have decent real-time game-day exchanges, just might take a bit more effort.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Actually I always just hit ctrl-a ctrl-c (select all, copy) before hitting the comment button. Then your whole post is in the copy buffer in case it fails, but isn't as inconvenient as using a separate editor.

    Well I forget sometimes, but yeah, that's what I try to do...

  • In reply to Michael L:

    yep, I use that method too, but since my spelling sucks I try to spell check my longer posts so you guys can decipher what I am trying to say. Also, the word/email method is more user friendly for those less computer savvy among us.

    btw, I never saw the answer to my question from last season Michael. Were you in the game in some facet, or are you just a big fan?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    IIRC I tried answering that last year, but I think it got lost in the "new thread" migratory shuffle. I saw you ask again this year but was afraid of the same thing happening (I saw it during the night, and since Jeff always posts early in Eastern Time morning...).

    First off thanks, that's the ultimate compliment -- especially for me, since no I've never played or been part of a football organization. I'm just a big fan as you say. I got sick and tired of relying on shit reporting for following my Bears -- between the same idiot sports journalists who just parrot tired cliches or pandered to public sentiment with zero understanding of the game and sports analysts with some knowledge but zero time invested in actually watching games or observing local players. So a few years ago I decided to seriously try and learn how football is taught, and how pro football strategy and schemes are designed.

    (SIDE NOTE: I have toyed with the idea of training and trying out as a walk-on for a specialist position in the NFL, or trying to earn some stripes in the AFL... but realistically that's a pipe dream. I have strongly considered taking up coaching though -- I might still do that.)

    I will say though that the amount of shit you can learn online now (even compared to 5 years ago) is pretty amazing. So not to burst your bubble :) but I'm no expert, just someone who loves the Bears and loves the game. And for that love I've tried to build up a basic coach's level of understanding NFL offense/defense design, philosophy, alignments, and techniques.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I think I actually tried answering that last year, but that it got lost in the "new thread" migratory shuffle. I saw you ask again this year but was afraid of the same thing happening (I saw it during the night, and since Jeff always posts early in Eastern Time morning...).

    First off thanks, that's the ultimate compliment -- especially for me, since no I've never played or been part of a football organization. I'm just a big fan as you say. I got sick and tired of relying on shit reporting for following my Bears -- between the same idiot sports journalists who just parrot tired cliches or pandered to public sentiment with zero understanding of the game and sports analysts with some knowledge but zero time invested in actually watching games or observing local players. So a few years ago I decided to seriously try and learn how football is taught, and how pro football strategy and schemes are designed.

    (SIDE NOTE: I have toyed with the idea of training and trying out as a walk-on for a specialist position in the NFL, or trying to earn some stripes in the AFL... but realistically that's a pipe dream. I have strongly considered taking up coaching though -- I might still do that.)

    I will say though that the amount of shit you can learn online now (even compared to 5 years ago) is pretty amazing. So not to burst your bubble :) but I'm no expert, just someone who loves the Bears and loves the game. And for that love I've tried to build up a basic coach's level of understanding NFL offense/defense design, philosophy, alignments, and techniques.

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    Murph, I use Mozzilla Firefox and whenever that error pops up, Mozilla sends me a message to re send if I want to. It always re posts it.

  • In reply to BigDaddy:

    I use Firefox 5.0 and have never seen that re-send message ...

    Don't even bother opening up word or whatever, just select and copy the text before posting ... if an error comes up, just Ctrl-V it back in and post again. It doesn't happen twice in a row.

  • In reply to BigDaddy:

    I use firefox too but I have never gotten that message. Something in the settings?

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    Not sure about the settings Murph. I have the lastest verion of windows. Not sure if the message comes from windows or firefox.

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    I can't believe they're using Wordpress on this site. Words fail me. It's like businesses that upgrade to the latest version of MS Windows as soon as it comes out. They deserve what they get.

    By the way, the comment "You're posting too fast" yada yada, doesn't actually mean you're posting too fast, if you have copied what you've just typed, you can just paste it straight back in and post immediately, you won't get the message again.

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    Yeah its great to copy it and repost it, but its a pain in the ass. It may seem like a small issue to Chicago now, but to us its huge. No other blog has a participation like this one. Hell half the blogs never get one stinkin comment. I think its an issue that is going to hinder our game day banter.


  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Agree with both Irish and Murph.

    I use Firefox 5, and I don't get that message Trac gets. That would be handy though, so maybe you can let us know how u did it Trac.

    I use Firefox cuz it spells check, so this would be very handy for you MB. See, as I type, "cuz" has a red squiggly red underline...Also, Firefox is awesome because there's this add-on called "Ad Block Plus" which cock-blocks almost all ads. VERY nice.

    Other than that, I copy my messages b4 hitting "comment", but I agree with Murph that on game day the messages are not manifestos more like one liners "fucking 9 sacks!" something or other, and I don't want to be copying all those god damn one liners, so get this shit fix CN! Ok...copying...sent.

  • “The longer I have been here, the more vocal I have gotten,” Cutler said Thursday on "The Mully & Hanley Show" on WSCR-AM 670. “It happens over time. With Olin gone, I know I have to step into more of a leadership role because we have a pretty young offense still.

    "If I was the defense I'd be so mad at the offense, I wouldn't be able to look at us," Cutler said. "Looking at the film, it was embarrassing, I was watching it with Mike (Martz) and I have no idea how we won games and it was because of the defense, they were a Super Bowl defense. Without a doubt, they had everything to go to a Super Bowl and win a Super Bowl, so offensively we got to pick it up, there's no other option, we've got to get better, we got to help those guys out and do our part."

  • In reply to Crown:

    Cutty came to camp ready to fucking work mainge. If he gets any blocking whatsoever and sometimes even when he doesn't, he's going to light it up. Roy Williams will be effective this year. My god, the other receiver's on the Cowboys were Witten and Austin. can we get some perspective here? he will catch 65 balls for 1,000 and a bunch of touchdowns. red zone threat and will win a couple of bad pass showdowns.
    I'm telling you boys this, if we run with Forte, screen to Forte and Taylor and Barber bust heads on the goal line we are going to have a solid offense. They may not pass block for shit but Carimi, Garza and Louis on the right side maybe with a side helping of Spaeth equals the push we need to get that tough yard or two when it counts.
    Knox, Bennett and Hester have to perform this year so teams can't focus on Williams. If Williams gets off to a decent start that confidence level will rise and his production will increase. if his production increases he will be one happy fucking diva which will make his chemistry with Cutler even better.
    Bear down motherfuckers!!!!! rodgers dead, stafford dead, mcnabb dead, Matty Ice fag dead, Brees dead, Vick dead as a dog, whoever the fuck is the quarterback for the Raiders dead, all of them dead. I want Tongan warrior dances, Lance Briggs getting chicks pregnant at halftime and blowing up screen passes, Peppers goofy rich as fuck ass grin, Hitman Harris running around like a kid back there spearing dudes, DJ in the right place at the right motherfucking time, Izzy being all noble and shit.....

    Can you feel it? Cutler is warming up to everyone, the press is acting less like a bitch, Dezzy running up the seams, KD dunking on the goal post after red zone glory, Hester dancing to SouljaBoy, the crowd getting pumped, etc
    First game is on tonight. 11-5 NFC North Champs and then on to the post season. i'm pumped and ready for a good season. cross yo fingazzz no injuries.

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    Waffle, you just gave me a bears fueled erection. Orange and Navy Blue with a little C on the tip.

  • Total bears boner after reading that.

  • In reply to Crown:

    total bear boner

  • In reply to 4ever85:

    Fuckin love Coach Dekoth 4ever!!

  • Man, I hate posting replies into a blog post only to realize there's a new post now and my reply will probably never get read... Anyway...

    Jeff, I don't think they were lying last year. They did like their receivers. The supplanting of Bennett by Knox though was in large part because Bennett (while a better overall, and more reliable, receiver) was injured with a hamstring for most of camp and the beginning of the season. All they admitted was that they gave Knox the nod over Bennett despite him not earning the job over Bennett. Well unless you count "not being injured" as earning... =)

    Don't read into things that aren't there....

  • excited that games will finally be on tonight, although not our boys. I live in Maryland (transplanted from Waukegan back in the day) and the Ravens vs Eagles game is on tonight on local Baltimore NBC. The only team I care to watch besides the Bears is the Ravens, similar to Bears in form, defense, and style except they have a GM that knows WTF he is doing. I catch all Bears games at a local sports bar, refuse to pay a ransom to Directv dish. Shout out to Waffle per earlier days post, as I'll be kicking off some NFL tonight with some Powers... and a Guinny or 2.
    Bear Down... and here's hoping hoping that someone will RIP OFF THE HEAD of smug smily face bug eyes Rodgers this year.

  • In reply to GuinnessPlease:

    If our boys don't guinni, I may have to take crown's advice and pull a surprise galooli on the 9th fairway.

    Bastard’s probably a nice guy… so I reserve the option to feel badly about it afterward sitting in my cell.

  • In reply to GuinnessPlease:

    I've never tried Powers... how is it?

  • Yo Willie. The Worm is going to be inducted into the HOF soon. Now, that's gonna be an entertaining speech. When asked about the possible induction, he said "Words don't mean shit." Man, was he a gifted athlete. I love that dude. All heart and energy. Now, back to football.

  • In reply to Crown:

    Did you see when the Pistons retired his number? They did it against Chicago... I think in March/April.

    It was half hilarious, half sad. First, the guy mumbled like Muhammed Ali mixed with lots of Knob Creek (by the way, that's the best accidental rap line I have ever created). Second, the neurons were NOT firing well... Then the guy started crying, and almost brought a tear to my Piston-Worm hating eye.

    Bulls should retire 91... not like anyone would use it anyway. Show some damn respect to the 72-10. Gordon bastardized Kukoc's 7.

    Back to football.


  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    I saw it bro. He was half tanked up and emotional as hell. He's always a mess, but no one can deny he was the best pure rebounder to ever play the game. And yes, that is a sick lyric re Ali and Knob Creek. Did you hear the new Kanye/Jay-Z album? I like some of the soulful old 60's beats, but I'm sick of hearing lyrics about how rich they are and the high end brands they like. Makes them seem real out of touch. I've been getting down to Chali2na's couple new recent solo albums. It's clean, but the guy has flow and I love his voice. The verbal Herman Munster.

  • In reply to Crown:

    Chali 2na... love the guy. Best voice in hip hop. J5 were one of the groups, along with Ras Kass and Dilated Peoples that got me far and away from the likes of the Jiggas and Diddys. "They call me tuna, as in fish in sea... Self efficiency. That's my mission, see?". Every J5 album is the cat's ass.

    Can't mess with any Jay-Z/Kanye nonsense. I haven't heard Jay-Z since the album after Reasonable Doubt, which was garbage. Then the whole Hard Knock Life thing happened and I vowed to never go back. I did rock the Grey Album, as a Beatles fan...

    I like Kanye beats, but he raps with the skills of Magoo and Mase. Maybe I'll check the instrumentals. He's a disgrace to Chicago (sorry). They have the Typical Cats, Juice, Vakill, Mestizo... Hell, Chali is from Chi!

    I'm a hip hop snob at this point... the MF Doom, Blackalicious/Latyrx, 2Mex, Pigeon John, Sage Francis, Josh Martinez stuff. I miss out on a lot of decent songs, but I avoid any emcee with "Lil" in their name. Anyone who drops a mixtape before an actual album... Anyone who's featured on my sneaker stalker websites.

    If you ever feel like experimenting with some new shit, let me know. I got oodles and oodles.

  • Dudes, this comment system is fscked... I am replying to people and it is not giving me an error -- it loads just like normal after a successful comment... only no comment is there.

    Is there some kind of maintenance going on?

  • I think the comment system is messed up. Did we move to a moderated format?

    None of my responses are showing up starting about an hour or so ago. When I submit the exact same response it tells me I already have a duplicate... yet it doesn't show up.

    Either the comment system is broken or comments are going into a processing queue somewhere...

  • Cutler interview currently being rebroadcast on The Score.

  • In reply to Doc Nitty 34:

    Here's the link if anyone misses it -

    Nice URL.

  • In reply to Doc Nitty 34:

    yeah' I'm listening to it right now Doc.

    They keep replaying it. The Olin part is very interesting. I get the feeling that Cutler and the rest of the O was petrified of Olin, and that they're glad he's gone, while the D players who weren't under his tyranny wanted him to stay.

    Just my 2 cents.

  • In reply to 4ever85:

    4ever, I was thinking the exact same shit about Olin when it was looking like he wouldn't sign. I think the newer guys viewed him as a tyrant and bully sort of guy. I am and was a huge Olin fan but as new guys came in, I think they were intimidated by his demeanor and reputation. I really think we will see the O line grow up with out him. players on O will loosen up and not be frozen by fear of the mistake. Throwin my 2 cents in with you so guess that makes about 4 cents worth of opinion!

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    was it you murph who called Olin a mafia don?

    I think the score said that Olin was a bully, and the only thing worse than a bully is a bully who can't play football lol

    2 more cents to add to the account

    Get off Knox already everyone! He was 40 yards away from an 1,000 yard season in a new system with a shitty oline.

    Knox just needs to realize he's a slot receiver - unfortunately for him, he actually believed Lovie and co when they said "We like our guys". He's supposed to give an interview after practice today and that ought to be interesting.

    Martz and Drake are mind-fucking him Hannibal Lector style.

  • In reply to 4ever85:

    Wasn't me came up with that but it is pretty good. I just knew from career that once a lot of new guys came in they were very intimidated by us older guys that had 30+ years on the job. Not only that but looking back we could be dickheads about it too. Olin will always be Bear and when he was leaving I thought it was a wrong decision. Looking at it now I really believe some of those guys will be better players without him.

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    I am all over this whole train of thought. I did mention that one thing that pleased me about Olin leaving (other than he can't block any more) was that he stood in the way of Jay making this HIS TEAM.

    Honestly, I think we're better off with Garza and the senior lineman.

  • Hey, Michael L, I read the Fifth Down take on the cover-2; in fact, I read all seven parts and wanted more! lol What a series. True journalism. So thx. Anyone here who truly loves football xs & os and history MUST check out the link Michael gave me:

    Haven't checked out this one, but will soon.

  • In reply to 4ever85:

    This part when he covered the 46 defense gave me a bit of a hard on:

    "Though he died just before the 46 defense peaked in Super Bowl XXIV, you can’t help hearing John Facenda’s voice whenever you see video of or read about Buddy Ryan and the “Monsters of the Midway” defense.

    “Blitz is defined as a sudden, savage attack.

    It is indeed all of this.

    Send more defenders than the offense has blockers to absorb.

    From the left side,

    From the right side,

    From up the middle they come.

    All with blood in their eye.

    All with one idea.

    Get the quarterback.

    Get “The Man.”

  • In reply to 4ever85:

    I can actually hear him.

  • In reply to 4ever85:

    Cool, glad you liked it. It's just the start too. Once you know what defenses are trying to do, you start to really gain insight into how OCs (especially ones like Martz, Gruden, Belichick, Payton, Linehan... all the schemers) design plays to defeat defenses. (By contrast there's a definite class of OC that believes instead that if they are great at what they do then it doesn't matter what the defense does... like Holmgren, Reid, Shanahan, Gibbs, probably Billick too.)

    Bowen is great because he explains offensive and defensive concepts and how plays are set up to implement those concepts.

  • From the interview:

    As for this season’s offense, Cutler says it has “a lot of potential.”

    Sigh. Crumbled cookie with some Garza salsa on top.

    Strangely, I think Webb will progress at LT, Carmini will hold down RT and it will again be that we get no interior push on the run, and no interior blitz pickup.

  • I took the plunge, boys...My secret weapon was to tell my wife all about the Bears schedule this year and how I was getting screwed out of my only two real chances to see them play live. She promptly conceded defeat on the switch to DirectTV so I would shut up about football.

    Victory! NFL Sunday Ticket - here I come!

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Nicely played MB.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Nice work. Nice fucking work.

    My tactic. I told her I wanted the Ticket for my fathers day present every year. What the hell do I want a tie for?

  • In reply to Doc Nitty 34:

    I may get married and have kids just to get the Ticket

  • In reply to 4ever85:

    It's cheaper to just pay for it. Believe me on that.

  • In reply to Doc Nitty 34:

    That is an excellent plan, Doc. Since I work remotely now, I don't need anymore damn ties either. Most days are spent in cargo shorts and a clever t-shirt.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Nice work. Curious though how you were getting screwed?

  • In reply to Michael L:

    I am now on the East Coast - so the only two realistic games for me to attend this year were the preseason tilt in New York on Aug. 22nd, and the Philly Game on Nov. 7th.
    I was supposed to be working in New York on the 22nd but that got cancelled. And of course, I will almost certainly be working on Nov. 8th in NYC at about 3am, so the odds of me attending a game in Philly that starts at 8pm the night before are about nil.

  • On an unrelated note.....

    I always knew Chuck Woolery was a sex hound, but this puts new meaning to, "we'll be back in 2&2"

  • In reply to Crown:

    jesus, to come up with the concept and to develop the stories that people do is real commitment.

  • Does anybody have preseason live streaming on NFL Network? I think I might give it a try. I'm gonna check out neckbeard and cowgirls tonight.

  • In reply to BigDaddy:

    I'm watching the Chargers v Seahawks right now

    Whoever has Rivers and Vjack on FF is going to mop up.

    LT Okung got carted off. Not good.

    Tjack doesn't look half bad, surprisingly. If LT is out for season, those legs are going to be used.

  • In reply to 4ever85:

    Also, the new kick off rule SUCKS BALLS.

  • In reply to 4ever85:

    just saw the new kickoff. what a dickheaded way to try to cut down on injuries. take away a huge field position play

  • In reply to 4ever85:

    I got shafted. I signed up on NFL network and to two games I wanted to watch are blacked out. Will I be able to view them later? Cowboys/Denver and S.D. games.

  • In reply to BigDaddy:

    You should be able to on NFL network.

  • In reply to 4ever85:

    Thanks 4e.

  • In reply to BigDaddy:

    Irish gave me this one too

  • Howdy guys, long time reader 1st time poster.

    As I live in Scotland this blog is one of the best sites I know to see what's going through the heads of other bears fans....not much going over here tbh.

    Jeff, you do a stellar job here.

    And now the main reason I am here: I come bearing (hehehe) news of odds for the superbowl and outright betting for the NFC Conference.

    Superbowl: Fudgers -----> 7/1 (not favourites)
    Lions ---------> 20/1
    Viqueens/Bears---> 33/1

    Conference Winner: Fudgers ------> 7/2 (faves)
    Lions/Queens -----------> 14/1
    Bears ----------> 16/1

    I found this hilarious tbh. Thoughts?

  • In reply to DYLbear23:

    Even if the Bears go undefeated through the first half of the season they get no respect. Chicago booky's will lose their shirt if the Bears do well this year.

  • In reply to DYLbear23:

    Welcome DYL, glad to hear from you.

  • In reply to DYLbear23:

    Welcome to DBB!

    And yes, Detroit 20-1 and us 33-1 is rather amusing. They ARE the Lions.

  • In reply to DYLbear23:

    Welcome aboard.

  • In reply to DYLbear23:

    What kind of wack-ass book is that?

    I'm looking at what I consider one of the best line-setting sites (just to give you an idea, they have 4 cent lines on the NFL... and they are very profitable) and these are the odds I see:

    SB ---
    Fudge --> 6.61 to 1 (fav over Pats 6.87:1)
    Bears --> 30.9 to 1
    Pussies --> 43.5 to 1
    Queens --> 44.6 to 1

    Conf --
    Fudge --> 3.46 to 1 (fav over PHI 4.46:1)
    Bears --> 16.2 to 1
    Queens --> 21.2 to 1
    Pussies --> 22.2 to 1

    Div --
    Fudge --> 1 to 2.5
    Bears --> 4.92 to 1
    Pussies --> 6.33 to 1
    Queens --> 10.7 to 1

  • In reply to Michael L:

    How do the Vikings come out ahead of the Lions in the Conference odds, and behind them for the SB? Divison I understand, you figure there's always a wild card. But you have to win the conference to win the SB.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    It's just one of those quirky things. Sometimes there's a reason (matches up well in conference but terribly against the likely AFC winners) but in this case I think MIN and DET are basically about the same for both, and we're just seeing small movements for both based on betting action.

  • In reply to Michael L:

    Meh, I used WilliamHill and as its mostly British based...well can't really let a professional bookmakers use that as an excuse now can we? (NB: Pats are classed as outright faves over here.)

    Not that I'm complaining- I scooped a decent profit by taking the bears as division winners...lost out on a damn sight more because of the fudge stuffers though.

  • In reply to DYLbear23:

    My numbers were off an international book, Pinnacle. They don't even take wagers from the US anymore after the stupid finance laws passed. Anyways they are among the best in the business....

    I guess looking at Vegas odds, they're averaging around:
    Fudge --> SB 7:1 NFC 4:1
    Bears --> SB 14:1 NFC 7:1
    Pussies --> SB 60:1 NFC 30:1
    Queens --> SB 60:1 NFC 30:1

    Interestingly Bears are almost the only lines that have moved since they opened. They started at SB 15:1 NFC 8:1 so clearly either a lot of bettors liked those odds or else books have upgraded the Bears' chances.

    Also dang Vegas gives good odds on long shots -- I guess they have to since otherwise people would just go online. But wow, that means they really are exposing themselves to take a bath if a cinderella story makes it.

    Ok, checking an online book that takes US bets is more inline with Pinnacle:
    Fudge --> SB 6:1 NFC 3:1 Div 1:2.1
    Bears --> SB 25:1 NFC 12:1 Div 4.5:1
    Pussies --> SB 33:1 NFC 16:1 Div 5:1
    Queens --> SB 40:1 NFC 22:1 Div 9:1

    As you can tell, these guys are wimps as all the payouts are worse across the board (except the Fudge winning the division).

  • In reply to Michael L:

    BTW I should add that you should never place bets on the Bears in Vegas in general. They always shade the odds (sometimes quite heavily) to lower payouts on popular teams that get heavy action due to lots of fans. You're better off finding an off-shore book if you want to place a bet on the Bears.

  • In reply to Michael L:

    that's why i love you mang

  • In reply to DYLbear23:


  • In reply to gpldan:

    We're not at all like that GP, honest.


  • Welcome DYL from across the pond. Cheers mate, and somebody please RIP OFF RODGER'S HEAD.

  • All the slobbering all over the Eagles...

    Dog killer - DEAD!

  • Oh HELL no! Did you just see that Madden commercial on the NFL Network with the Bears getting punked at home?!? Oh HELL no!

  • Nice to see you're just a student of the game michael. Well done.

    Holy shit... I'm watching football right now!!!! Someone pinch me.

    And I just saw a dude from my Alma mater catch a pass... nice.

  • Oh, and man I wish we would have made a play for moffitt.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Thanks for giving me an opportunity to talk about Moffitt MB. I've been gushing about that guy since October last year on here. One of my all-time favorites at Wisconsin. He got blown up on the first play, but played really well after that. I was surprised how good he was in pass protection. He allowed no middle push. He's going to be great late in games after he beat's the shit out of guys the whole game. He needs to pick up a step when pulling, but I think that will come. Here's a great article about the Seahawks draft strategy to get him. I LOVE the GM's quote about him early in this article.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Full Disclosure -

    During the draft at the 2nd round, 53rd pick where Jerry picked up Paea, MB and I were screaming for Moffitt.

    Let's look at the OL picked BETWEEN Paea and Moffit who went at the 75th pick overall to the Seahawks, allowing them the flexibility to dump Spencer.

    At the 63rd pick we have Marcus Gilbert. Already showing signs of starting talent at LT for the Steelers.

    Rodney Hudson, 55th overall is being groomed by Casey Weigman on the Chiefs to be the starting center next year. Oh yeah, and the guy who MB and I were SCREAMING for last year in the 3rd round, Jon Asamoah from the Illini? Yeah, he's starting at LG for the Chiefs this year and looks great.

    Who did Jerry take last year in the 3rd? Pringles. Granted, that was 10 picks back from Asamoah, but I wanted to deal Manning or somebody to move up in the 3rd because it was our first pick after 1 and 2 went to the Broncos for Cutler.

    So I guess if I were Jerry, we'd have Moffitt and Asamoah right now, not have Pringles and Paea, and probably done a deal to keep Manning around. Seemed to work for the early 80s Bears to build a power OL via the draft and defense in late draft, but I guess that no longer works.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    GP, if Paea works out, it's all good. If Moffitt turns into the player I think he is, then we made a major mistake not going for him. He looked great tonight as a rookie. He's like a heavyweight fighter. He just wears guys down and beats the shit out of people. He punishes people. He seals running lanes better than most current guards in the NFL. He reminds me of Kruetz in his early days. AND he can play center if needed. He might lose some battles, but he's going to win the war almost every time.

  • every kickoff i see gets me more and more angry.

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    Thank God I'm not the only one. Here's hoping Hester gets a few out the endzone in similar fashion to this timeless classic.

  • My pops passed away this morning.

    His family were around him but I was half a world away, and that hurts almost as much. He was a gentleman, a good man who did the right thing by his family his whole life. I just wanted that to be recorded on the internet somewhere, and I can't think of any better place than right here

    R.I.P. Dad. I love you.

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    Condolences, irish.

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    Sorry to hear that, Irish. Sounds tough.

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    sorry irish, never forget

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    sorry to hear that Irish. Long life to you and your family my man.

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    My condolences Irish... My Dad was in ICU for a week after a car accident that also took my sister's life just over a year ago. I thank God everyday that he didn't take both of them from me that day. Always remember and never take anything for granted my friend..

  • In reply to RenoBear:

    Very sorry for your loss Reno. They're all in a way better place now - we're just visiting here for a while - at least that's what I hope.

    And thanks guys, that's really sweet - long life to you and yours. Got to get on a bus in an hour, go to the airport, fly around this little blue ball we live on and do that thing ...

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    I'm sorry for your loss Irish. He must have been a tough fighter to deal with cancer as long as he did. I don't know what else to say.

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    Condolences sir. Seeing the love and respect you have for your father makes me want to be a better father to my boys. Best wishes to your family.

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    yeah, sorry to hear that Irish. I know from an earlier post you were worried about your dad, so sorry to hear it turn out that way.

    I think it was Freud who said the most poignant moment in a man's life was when his father died, so keep your head up.

    Some never had a dad - that whole "better to have loved and lost" thing.

    Bear down.

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    Condolences Irish. I hope to have the grace someday to handle this as you've shown...

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    Irish, I remember you mentioning his problems several weeks ago, so sorry it turned out this way. As we speak I'm working in a place where people deal with these realities everyday but I still can't relate to them because they aren't my own folk(loved ones). That doesn't mean it can't touch me but one can't truly experience loss until they lose one of their own.

    I hope you realise that talking about these things as you just have and reaching to others has to be about the best way to not only release some shit but also to cope with such a loss. I hope all is well with you my friend, so sorry about your pop. And thanks for choosing this place, as you said, to be recorded about your dad.
    My condolences.

    R.I.P. Irish's dad.

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    I know I am young but the lost of a loved one is so painful. I can't imagine the pain or suffering you are going through.

    I just hope you feel better knowing that even though we did not know your dad that through you we know he had to be a great man. That is all that has to be said really.

    Thanks for telling us Irish and I hope you realize that we are here for you.

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    All the best to you and your family, always keep your head up.

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    So sorry to hear about your Dad . I know it aint easy. Relish the time with your family and celebrate your Dads life with them, instead of mourning his passing. Stay strong my friend.

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    I add my condolences to those of the DBB family, Irish. While it sounds hollow now, it does get easier over time.

    Perhaps this will remind us all to cast the light of our love on those we hold dear. Often... today... right now.

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    Sorry to hear that, Irish - your heart was with him and that's what matters.

  • My thoughts are with you and your family Irish.

  • Since I probably won't post again before the weekend is over. Here are a few quickies.

    1) I am curious how many O-line arrangements will be tested in the first pre-season game. Will we see guys playing multiple spots? How many guys will we see playing center? How much chance will Carimi get at LT?

    2) Are Cutler and Roy going to connect on a couple of great ones? Cutler shouldn't play more than 3-4 drives, which means Williams should be shooting for at least 3-4 completions if he wants to establish himself as a starter.

    3) Who's going to play linebacker? We don't exactly have a lot of depth at the position. Are Lach and Briggs going to play more than they should to compensate?

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    1) We won't see much movement. I think the coaches last year realized that chemistry for an oline almost makes up for everything. Webb, Williams, Garza, Louis, Carimi will be out withing 5 min of the 1st quarter.

    2) The o is a little bit more tentative. I'm not sure on their philosophy, but Cutler will prob be out again within the first 5 min, but Martz might let the WRs duke it out. He's pretty aggressive, but remember, we have Knox, Bennett, 'backer, the canadien, Hurd (if he's healthy) and a few others battling, so who knows.

    3) Lach, Briggs and Roach will also be gone fast. The real question is - who will make the most of his opportunity? My guess - whoever makes a play, turnover will gain a huge advantage.

    P.S. Conte, I think, is the real deal. ' Bacher is 50/50. Either a SP teamer or Wes Welker.

  • In reply to 4ever85:

    I can't wait for the great Dane to get some playing time. I think he's out to prove that he should have been drafted, and I for one am glad we picked him up.

    Shame for Fantuz. Back to CFL for him eh?

    Regarding the game, I'd like to see the 1st team offense get the whole 1st quarter (wishful thinking no doubt). We shouldn't even be playing the likes of Urlacher/Briggs/Pep. Let Iwuh step up (he looked good in his 1 game last year), see what else is shaking at LB and see if Gholston can get his first...well anything, heck I'll take a run stuff for no gain from him!

  • In reply to DYLbear23:

    Last night the starting QB's didn't get much time. Seems that this year we will see more bubble players and players fighting for 2nd string due to the lockout interruption.

  • Bowen agrees with me - we are built for FieldTurf - do it!,0,50356.column

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