Angelo Stakes Season on Tice and Young Offensive Line

Angelo Stakes Season on Tice and Young Offensive Line

We all know injuries can derail an NFL season.  If the Bears lose Julius Peppers, Brian Urlacher, Jay Cutler or Lance Briggs for any substantial period of time they'll certainly see the impact in the Win-Loss column.  But injuries are unpredictable and outside of hiring the finest medical staff available in the world they are mostly out of the control of the football organization.  What is under the control of an organization, in this case the Chicago Bears, is player selection.  They can't control injuries but they decide which men have the opportunity to get injured.

The 2010 Bears had one major, glaring flaw: offensive line.  They were a pretty good offense with quite arguably the worst line in Bears history and certainly the worst line in the league.  They improved as the year progressed but as the opponents reached playoff caliber in January they were unable to keep their quarterback off his back with the Super Bowl on the line.

Now they are back.  Sort of.  On first glance it would appear an offensive line in need of overhaul has not been overhauled.  They do have a new center, replacing Olin Kreutz with Chris Spencer.  They do have a new right tackle, drafting Wisconsin stud Gabe Carimi.  But the new left tackle is the old right tackle - a monster with immense talent called J'Marcus Webb.  The guards are the same as the Bears expect huge development from former first-rounder Chris Williams on the left side.  And I always say, no one ever writes or talks about Roberto Garza.

There were safe solutions for Jerry Angelo.  He could have broken the bank for Matt Light.  He could have added Jared Gaither or let Tyson Clabo's people know he'd double the Falcons offer.  He could have added a host of names, most unknown to anyone outside the cities they've played in, and made claim that he'd upgraded the most attention-needy unit.  (I also have an attention-needy unit.  Had to say it.)

But he didn't go the safe route.  He went the development route.  He believes Mike Tice when Tice says J'Marcus Webb can play left tackle, CW can develop into a first-rate left guard and Lance Louis is a sleeper across the line.  (Brad Biggs reports the starting five, left to right, is currently Webb-Williams-Spencer-Garza-Carimi.)  But they are question marks.  Is Carimi ready?  Can Webb make the transition?  Will CW improve?  And the answers will determine whether or not the Chicago Bears return to the postseason and find themselves in the title hunt.

They're in that position for one reason and one reason only: Jerry Angelo.  After seven months of consideration, Jerry made the decision that these five men, led by big Mike Tice, give the Bears the chance to win.  If he's wrong, he may and perhaps should pay with his job.

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  • Oddly enough, Webb's size scares me. The guys that have done the most damage to our OL over the past couple of years have been the hybrid OLB edge rushers, and he looks like he's just too damn tall to stay low and parallel to those dudes.

    Oh well, like you say, we're going to know soon and Jerry better be right.

  • The middle of the o-line is what I'm worried most about, especially old Tamarindo and Cookie.

  • In reply to Crown:

    I would take just about anyone at G over Cookie. He may find his ass cut mid-season if he doesn't learn to play with consistency somewhere. Maybe he could hold for Gould since Maynard is gone.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I'd like to see Chris back at LT. Webb run-blocking for our boys gets me semi-hard, but the thought of him protecting Cutty's blindside makes me hope that Jay rolls right a lot, like on every play - which the defense will cotton onto. CW at guard just isn't doing it. Again, we get bigger up front no matter what happens so hopefully we'll be running it a lot more - but it's Magic Martz calling the plays ....

  • Just read that the Bears are one of 10 teams with allots money under the cap. 24 Million to be exact. Why not spend at least some of it on Matt light.

  • In reply to BigDaddy:

    Yeah, I recall hearing that somewhere.

  • In reply to BigDaddy:

    light's resigned with the pats

  • In reply to Jeff Hughes:

    Is it a done deal? I thought they were still trying to agree to terms.

  • In reply to BigDaddy:

    It's a done deal.

  • Any chance we could get Umenyiora?? I know I know ...there is little chance of the McCheapskies making any big pick ups but how scary would that D line be?
    So are there any DB's out there that we could pick up? It was looking shakey last year and they only lost players

  • i dont think the money is an issue with osi currently. the issue is the giants wanting a first round pick.

  • In reply to Jeff Hughes:

    Our second plus the Panthers third would be equivalent value to our first rounder next year. Any chance of them biting on that and would it be worth it for a guy with a dinged up, possibly degenerative hip problem?

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Makes sense but I would rather they go after Asante Samual. I think we would be a lock for a top 5 defense if we did.

  • In reply to BigDaddy:

    I like our smurfs, but I'd really like to get Samuel off of the Eagles. He, Tillman, Moore, Bowman - that has a nice sound to it.
    And if they keep him, their DBs are hell in a hand-basket. They would downgrade to "very intimidating" if they move him.

  • In reply to Jeff Hughes:

    The Bears normally stay away from players that are so vocal against the clubs they're on. I would be very surprised to see them make a play for Osi. One things for sure though, Jerry's lost a little of that humility he had the year before last when Chicago put the billboard up promoting he get canned. I understand things get a little testy with reporters at times but he came off as being his old arrogant self the other day. Maybe it's time to erect another billboard in his honor. Why he never really addressed the o-line in FA this year I'll never know. I guess he thought the Carimi pick let him off the hook. Anyhow's, I'm gonna be some kinda pissed off if the line looks like last years ugly twin sister.

  • In reply to BigDaddy:

    An auto-pick strategy would have selected Carimi, and Leshoure in the second round. Overall, Angelo pooched the draft as is his wont. I still need Enderle's drafting explained to me. Conte might be good, but he wasn't a third round pick.

    Rather than pay for another banner, I'd love to see somebody set up a website with all of his nutjob moves and a petition to be signed, where fans could add in nutjob moves not on the page already. Our Boy Roy must be hibernating, I'm going to track him down ...

    If we got Osi, Floyd and a Left Tackle, I might flick the safety back on and let Angela live out his days in peace under a rock somewhere. In Death Valley.

  • My understanding is that Philly may want to move Asante Samuel?

  • Seious posting issues...

    Angelo made his bed and now he's going to have to lay in it. I wish I were as optimistic about the O-line, the secondary and the FA signings as most of you – but you throw in an injury or two and this season has disaster written all over it.

    Last year it seemed like the stars aligned and everything went the Bears way, from completely missing the injury bug, to drawing a 1st round matchup of the SEA Seahawks. Those kinds of breaks only come around so often which is why it was so disappointing to see the team crap out in the NFC Championship game – in person. Those kind of seasons also even out in the end and like I said, I don’t see the team getting as lucky this year.

    It’s still pre-season and there is certainly reason for optimism, but the kool-aid just doesn’t taste as sweet for me these days. Bless your optimistic hearts, I will try to see the glass as half full but I’m not sure this team can overcome the string of poor decisions made year after year by upper management.

  • Saints G/Carl Nicks is still unsigned. Any chance Jerry is sandbagging?

  • In reply to BigDaddy:

    I think that's what he has been doing this whole time, wise or not.
    He wasn't going to set the market on anyone, and there are lots of guys who are going to be getting real desperate (both players and GMs) in the next twenty-four to forty-eight hours).

  • In reply to BigDaddy:

    Nope, wait, Nicks is signed. Saints brought him back late last night. He signed his tender.

  • That would definately be interesting to have Samuel in the Bears locker room. He sure dogged out Cutler when he exited in the playoffs due to injury.. I wonder if Cutty is still bitter about that.

  • Since we still have a lot of money to burn, does that mean that we are looking in the direction of renewing some big contracts together with forte`s?. Do some of you know who`s contracts ends after this season (big time players)?

  • I'll pass on Ass Ante. He's all or nothing. He comes up with some great gambling picks, but he gets burnt more than anyone. Plus we'll have to give up at least a 2nd round pick and pay him a shit ton of cash. It's not like Philly's just going to drop him. If we are truly out of OL options, then go after Braylan Edwards god dammit. He has a great year last year, and is looking to prove himself after the toe sucker gave his paper to a weed head.

  • If you guys get bored, vote for me:

  • In reply to Jeff Hughes:

    I wasn't bored, Blogfather, but I went and voted anyway.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    And, yes, I voted for YOU.

  • In reply to Jeff Hughes:

    Your wish is my command Jefe .....

  • That's a great picture of the village idiot.

    Jeff-great writing on the last post re the Olin decision.

  • where can we find out how much dinero is left to sign FAs ? It's beyond comical that we stil have all these friggin question marks at the O-line again, it's like F-in Groundhog Day around here... I honestly think if we added just one solid stud T or G to the line we will be set up for a great year, oh, and add Floyd or Edwards and Ass-Ante, now I'm getting greedy. Really, sign a F-in OL for cripes sake JA! I wish Tice could openly speak to the media and lay it all out on the table what he thinks we should do with the O-line, because he is constantly being asked to make gold out of shit. It's always, oh, Tice can coach em up BS. We need some nasty talented studs on the line. Also, last thread had the link to some of the Barbarians runs, and holy crap if he can run like that for us... the runs reminds me of #34.

  • jesus that picture makes me cringe. Fucking clown.

    I'm out of ideas guys. I just don't get not trying to get house-hold names to bolster our worst-in-the-nfl-3-years-running line. It simply doesn't make any sense to me, at all… doesn’t compute. We had plenty of cash, the guys were there for the taking, but we’re going to bet on our young unproven, or proven terrible guys in what is arguably our last chance at a SB run with this aging squad? How does that make any sense whatsoever?

    Tice has to say he can make this work, otherwise he's basically saying I'm not the oline genius everyone is calling me. I cain’t make heads or tails of it pardners.

    Quick thoughts:
    • I think our D can be better than last year
    • I think our specials can be better than last year
    • Our running game (inclusive of short yardage and goal line) can be better than last year, IFF (if and only if) Martz calls balanced games from the start and lets the run game develop over an entire game
    • I think we most certainly upgraded our receiving corps, but we need one more key guy (since we’re not going to upgrade the line). You all know I’m a big Floyd fan and he’s still out there… if not malcom, then braylon. Get one of them.
    • If martz moves the pocket and calls games like seattle2 all year, we might be ok, but it’s going to take a lot of luck to keep jay off the injured list
    • I don’t think our oline could get any worse than last year, but how is that a benchmark for success? We needed a major overhaul at almost every spot, we got one, maybe two (we’ll see about spencer). It’s not enough. Period.
    • We’re going to need almost as much injury luck as we enjoyed last year to pull this thing off with our oline
    • I like that olsen is gone, I’ve said from the beginning that my MAIN reason for not liking him is he provided too much of a safety blanket for jay… so at the slightest hint of pressure (and trust me I understand) he just dumped it off to girly… while earl the pearl stood uncovered in the back of the endzone. Not having him will make jay a better QB.

    I’m super pumped for football mangs… I just wish that we had a different GM that knew what the fuck he was doing. We all (lach, briggsy, the nut, all of the fans) deserve a SB fucking run THIS YEAR. I just worry that Jerry totally blew that very possible opty… for whatever inane fucking reason. Makes me sad.

    Also, Jeff… nominated.

    We still have $24M left of cap space Guinny. How's that work for your blood preassure.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    It is either all for Forte or it is being split up for Matt and some trade we don't know about...

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Bought all that MB. Getting Osi and Floyd is posssible with the cash we have - imagine that! I would actually be okay with no more additions to the line if we signed those two badasses. Seriosuly, with that DL it literally would not matter if our offense came onto the field and just sat down for three downs smoking joints.

    Fkn bullet points, eh ?!

  • looks like Webb on the blindside and carimi on the right:

  • SWEET!!!

    HUGE fan:

    BradBiggs 28 minutes ago #Bears are re-signing TE Desmond Clark

    Go get 'em Dezzy!!!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    About time Martz came to his senses

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Cutler to Dez down the seam!!!!!!!!!!!!! TOUCHDOWN!!!!!

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:


    Promise you he won't drop another 4 yarder that hits him in the hands in the endzone.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I'm excited to see KD truck over a couple of defensive backs on his way to a two-TD game against the Lions.
    I have seen it; it will be so.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    what the switch up MBP?!? I was talking about Dezzy man!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I know, but I've got a man-crush on KD.
    I'm happy that Dez is back, but he's on the downhill. The Beast is the future. And Spaeth should probably be starting over Dez in Martz' system.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Need another body to coach up the young uns at TE though, right? Glad it's Dez and not Wasteofmoolah. I want KD out there too though. A lot. And Spaeth with play action, Barber up the middle, or KD down the seasm. What's your call linebackers? Orgasmic.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    that was sad. people actually had the audacity to blame that on Cutler.

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    I really think that will be KD. I am all for throwing to Dez.. Was this a Lovie Smith move or a Martz Move?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Des Clark is 107 years old.

  • Ha! I knew you couldn't resist your well documented Dezzy hate... you bastard! He will prove you wrong this year.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    It's going to be even harder for him to run routes this year with an extra year of dangle on those things...

  • Happens to the best of us coach ....

  • Yeah, c'mon Coach. Dez isn't a day over 90.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Shut the front door !!! Dezmondo !! Yes!!! Wilkommen zuruck !!!

  • WTF?!?!!

    BradBiggs 44 minutes ago Mike Martz says he would like more veteran O-linemen added to #Bears mix.

    Fucking Angelo, is that douche serious?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    this is comical. Angelo says we're good, Tice toes the company line and says we'll coach who we have no matter what and Martz has the balls to say we need new linemen. Lovie? Would you like to add anything to this fucking soap opera?

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    It really is the three stooges slapping each other in the face.

  • First game is in 11 days boys. i don't even mind 6th stringers because it's football season baby! Baseball don't mean sheeeet when football starts. I want Fantuz to have 200 yards in his first pre-season game since he won't make the actual squad. The Enderle Fantuz express!

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    I'm desperately trying to get up to NYC for the Gints/Bears game on the 22nd. I can't believe we're this goddamn close to the season!!!

  • Heard reports that Carimi is taking reps with 1st team offense. Webb and Carimi cant be no worst than Omelet. I just hope that I dont see Omelet lined up. That guy is horrible.

    I actually pumped up with for this season. We do have a young Oline but we also have Mike Tice as the general. I trust in him to get the job done.

  • Omiyale ain't that bad - he was playing with a giant tard next to him at Guard, a near-dead Kruetz in the middle, and a right side of the line that was nonexistent between Shaffer and Webb.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    wtf are you smoking MB? he aint bad? dude he whiffed on more blocks that anyone, and lets mention how many penalties? Hes to slow and easily was handled by DEs.

  • Nah, I'm not saying he's good. But he was easily an upgrade over our other options at Tackle last year. Shaffer was abysmal and Webb was a work in progress at RT. Omiyale was the best of a bad bunch.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Sadly they were all cock-jugglers in a woeful line of jock-sniffers.

  • easy Fres... that's MBP

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    jesus, I fucked that up. Was supposed to be:


  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Easy why?

  • MB, MBP... mixing us up.

    Hey Fres... HOLD MY DICK!

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Maybe he found the fountain of skill and ability in the offseason, or at least the stream of HGH...but if he didn't he is shit. He was shit at tackle last year, shit at guard the year before. You know who else was shit last year? Fucking Webb. He sucked asshole on the right side last year. Huge second helpings of harry man-ass. He was bad, fucking horrible most of the time. So what do we do? Move him to the left side. I don't like it, not one bit. We needed another tackle this off season, and we didn't get it. fucknfuck

  • Absolutely True. I dont like Webb protecting Jays blindside. ALL BAD!

  • Is it possible DaCoach is wrong?

    lol nah, but If you watch the games down the stretch of last year. Webb improved a lot..

  • In reply to Artoo:

    He did to a certain Extent. All I know is that Tice see potential in this young man, and is solid in his decision to stick with him.

  • See's*

  • In reply to Artoo:

    +1 Artoo. Webb's inexperience was exposed early in the season, but he showed the greatest learning curve on da line. He has pretty amazing feet and athleticism for a mamoth of his size. I have faith in Webb, but no faith in C Williams and little that Garza can make it through the season.

  • Indeed. Keep hearing that Webb improved as the season progressed. Didn't see it. Unless Cutler getting hammered on every second play instead of every single play is deemed 'improvement'. Case closed and Q.E.D. I have 'liked' this on Facebook and am following you on Twitter ....

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Well, according to this, he is. Not as bad as Webb (for who the love totally mystifies me), but bad enough. Bears tackles were in the bottom four players in the entire NFL.

    And for good measure, Cookie and Garza appear in the bootom 20 list here:

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    I think it would be interesting to see that broken down by time slice; there were a couple of weeks early in the season that made everyone look like shit - in particular the infamous Cutty Concussion Extravaganza versus the Giants.
    Our lack of decent TE blocking in the first half of the season didn't help matters either.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Whatever about Webb, Omelette is no rookie and just blows at pass coverage. He's too old to get better. The thing with Webb is you can't teach speed, and I just don't see how a guy that big and slow suddenly 'learns' to deal with speed rushers. CW did it once, I don't see why he can't do it again unless he's hurting ...

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    Good read Dave. I wish there were more thorough analysis out their regarding different positions, and not the crap we see on 4-letter and NFL channel.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    he had the MOST fuckn false starts....EVER
    that ain't got shit to do wit anybody arLund him....

    fuck Oh-Mi-Let-You-Go-By.....

  • In reply to SoILBearsFan:

    Oh God, Omelette was the false start king of the NFL, he must have been ...

  • This board stinks... I just posted a huge reply only to have the site tell me I'm posting too fast. How does editing my post carefully and then clicking the button amount to "too fast"... Risiculous. This is hindering banter. I don't feel like re-writing my entire post again...

  • In reply to MadLithuanian:

    Been there done that. Suggestions were made to copy and paste it somewhere so you don't have to retype the damn thing if the web site decides its gonna fuck you.

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    Or just before you post, Ctrl-A, Ctrl-C (or just select everything with your mouse and then right-click on it and choose 'copy') - then if it fraks up and says you posted too fast, just Ctrl-V to paste it back in and post again straight away, it will post okay then. Just takes a second.

  • In reply to MadLithuanian:

    Geez I feel you on that. What were these changes for? to piss us off?

  • I'm gonna withhold judgement on the line until I see how it looks with all the pieces plugged in. Maybe some guys will surprise us with their play by mixing up the "ingredients". I have to believe the coaches have some knowledge of the talents of the players they have. If they feel they are good to go, I'll buy in for now. I can't fault the team for keeping a cushion of that cap money until some other things play out. Would be a damn shame if something good came up and we didn't have the cash to buy.

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    Murph, they have enough knowledge for Martz to say he would like more veteran lineman. Martz knows his career won't survive another year like last year.

  • I'll attempt it again but much shorter... Bottom line, this reeks of right after the Super Bowl loss. JA left everything alone thinking the youth would prevail. We seem to be doing that right now again, and we all know what happened after the SB loss. If that happens again, JA needs to be given a pink slip.

  • In reply to MadLithuanian:

    Let me amend that for you. JA needs to be given a pink slip.

  • In reply to Doc Nitty 34:

    further amendment. JA needs to take a dirt nap.

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    I'd love to chest dump on him while he's napping.

  • In reply to Crown:

    Join the queue - we could bury him in fecal matter.

  • I just don't see why we didn't aggressively pursue a viable offensive lineman. Clearly the biggest need. I don't see whats up in Halas Hall, but I'm hoping that TICE knows something that we don't.

  • When even Martz is saying we need more linemen you know there is a problem.

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    ed zachary... tice is doing exactly what he is fucking told to do by management and their PR shill.

    And tice ain't that good fres... no one is (see my post below)

  • Great links dave. Thanks for posting. Ok, this is long but I promise it is worth it… I want to provide Jerry with solutions and names, not just more problems. I know it won’t help, but it will be cathartic for me…

    So this is kind of what I’ve been waiting for. I don’t want you guys to see my anger at what I THINK I saw last year and this year in FA (or didn’t see appropriately), I want you guys to look at someone’s hard grading scale. Yes, it’s somewhat subjective, but it does use empirical evidence to get to a conclusion. So, let’s take a look at what’s there…

    Our guys:
    • LT - Frank Omiyale (4th worst LT in the NFL)
    • G – Cookie Williams was 8th worst in the NFL, and Garza was 17th worst
    • C – The only fucking guy in the top 10 (that is scary because if you actually watched every game we all know he was getting blown up more than not)

    Top 15 guys at every position - that we EASILY could have acquired, but for some reason jerry felt like we were all set with the absolute sheite above:
    • LT -Doug Free
    • RT – Yanda, Claybo, Harris
    • G – Incognito (could have gotten him for a hammy sammy last year), Carl nicks, Dahl
    • C - Lyle Sendlein

    So, in summary:
    Basically our entire fucking line was the worst 10 guys in the entire league at every single position. I’m lumping olin in there even though he got a pass from that dude’s equation. We all saw what we saw there last year, and there’s a reason he isn’t back. So this year, the huge difference will be moving Webb (the worst RT in the entire NFL) to Jay’s blindside, and adding a rook at RT? Oh, we replaced our only top 10 (supposedly) lineman with a guy NOT in the top 10? Right? That’s what we’re doing right Jerry? And we think that is going to get us from the worst line in the NFL to what? 5th worst? 10th worst? What do you guys think?

    So… Jerry passed up 5 (FIVE!) possible guys in FA this year that we could have had (I didn’t include d. Free or incognito in that number) that would have given us an instant ‘top 10 guy’ at every position. Five guys that were at the very top of their position, and we just didn’t feel like we needed the upgrade from the above detritus we had? Really Jerry? Are you really an NFL GM… for the Chicago fucking bears no less?!?!? How?!?!?

    This is what you will or already have heard about the guys we have or the guys we didn’t get….

    Our guys are young, they will gel. We have to be on building from within. We’ve made some big moves from last year (see above) and we think Tice is the man… and he can magically turn absolute shit into diamonds… swear he can. Then, yeah, it’s a shortened year anyway and those guys wouldn’t have had a enough tough to get up to speed and to, wait for it… gel (if I hear that about our shit line again this year I will fucking puke). Besides, they were too expensive for going yard in FA for a 3rd year straight, and hey, we may need the money for a super awesome guy that gets released n the next few weeks… you know, like a DE or a TE, or maybe a RB!!

    Blah blah fucking blah. It’s all bullshit gents. Total and utter bullshit. Jerry fucked us… hard this time.

    Here’s my line:
    • LT – Carimi
    • LG – Nicks
    • C – Spencer
    • RG – Dahl
    • RT – Harris
    • TE – Spaeth
    • TE2 – JD/Dezzy

    • Everything we got cheap
    • Floyd or Stallworth (if Floyd was too spendy)

    I’ve already gone way long… can one of you with maths and interwebs skills please do the work-up on whether we could have afforded all the fresh meat above? I bet you we could have.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Solutions MB, give me solutions cause that's the business we're in. We donna need no stinkin lineman. Jerra, if your ass was a football I'd kick it.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Jebus MB, I was unemployed for six months, I've got an excuse to loiter on here ... are you the boss man in work or do you work from home wearing one of those $60K fighter pilot's helmets linked into the blog?

    J'Marcus being officially the worst RT in the NFL is no surprise as I didn't/couldn't look at anyone else when our offense was on the field last season. Scratch that, I split looking at him with looking at Omelette. And it does surprise me that there were three LTs worse than him in the NFL. Must have been dudes taken out of day-care homes and allowed play in the NFL for a day courtesy of the Make A Wish foundation.

  • Bears sign Desmond Clark.

    Sign some veteran O-linemen JA. A 2, maybe 3 year Super Bowl window is not the time to hope young guys make enough strides to make us not be the worst O-line in the NFL yet again.

    We have one glaring, horrible weakness. It is the most important part of your job to fix the biggest weakness that stands between us and a Championship. Do your fucking job.


    Oooohhhh... intriguing!!

    Who's fucking left at this point Martzy… who’s. fucking. left? (thanks Jerry!)

  • I know this has been posted before. It ranks the FA's left. Anyone you would consider an upgrade for the line?

  • fuck, let the ridiculous media blowjob commence:

    Please god, the only think I want this year besides us winning, is them losing.

    ...damn, I should probably get some work done this week.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Rodgers... dead?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Work yeah .... like I was sayin' is it lines of coke off the secretary's rack with you, or what?

  • Testing post speed....

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    3 in a row?

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    Ah, that's "too quickly".

  • MB - I'm in on the wager with one caveat - I'm not sure that we can quantify top 1/3rd bottom 1/3rd, but we can use a much more objective standard. If Forte averages over 4.50 ypc (this is where he was last year - and it was his career best), than I win, if he averages less, you win.

    If an injury occurs than we average the starters ypc's throughout the season.

    My position is that our running game will be fierce.

  • In reply to Viva:

    that could get really complex, why dont you use an over under on a hard number like sacks allowed?

  • In reply to Urlacher FTW:


    40 + improved but still sucks so MB Wins

    31 - 39 Improved but a Push

    30 or less and it's Vivas

  • In reply to Urlacher FTW:

    that's not bad ftw.

  • In reply to Urlacher FTW:

    The strength of our o-line is run blocking, and I'd prefer to wager from a position of strength. Look - if we average over 4.5 ypc we will win 10+ games this year hands down, and Cutler will have all the time he needs in the pocket. Strategy is derived from axioms, and the 4.5 ypc axiom is what we have known all along. RUN THE FUCKING BALL DOWN THEIR THROATS AND SPREAD THEIR D.
    Want to control the clock? - run the ball 4.5 ypc.
    Want to put a guy on an island with the Skunk? run the ball 4.5 ypc.
    Want to wear the fat bastards out in the 4th quarter? run the ball 4.5 ypc.
    Want to win? - run the ball 4.5 ypc.

    Sacks/sacks allowed are not as critical to winning games as running 4.5 ypc is in most cases.

  • In reply to Viva:

    I'd be all over that Viva. The perfect thing to do with a cannon-armed QB and a receiving corps like we have is do the exact opposite and run it. The sexy things we could do off the play action roll-out tingles my ball-sack. Takes the pressure off Cutty too when the speed ends can't pin their ears back. Only one problem doing it though.

    Mike Martz. Fat man don't run.

  • In reply to Viva:

    Couldn't agree more with the running game will be fierce. But couldnt agree less with your side of the bet. I see Forte averaging a hair under that of last year, but getting more targets in the red zone thus increasing his Rec. TD total. But hopefully he increases in both. BEAR DOWN!

  • In reply to Curtis Shaw Flagg:

    We'll have actual FBs to do the red zone carries, and Barber will probably get the nod over Forte if they go with a running back, so I don't see Forte getting many rushing TDs unless he takes them in from the 20.

  • With respect to the Asante Samuel discussion - Cover 2 CB's need to play the run. Asante does not play the run, and therfore, will not be a Chicago Bear.

  • Sorry Viva, saw this and forgot to respond.

    I'm not comfortable grading the line based on the very different back set up we will have this year. Also, Martz' calls could have vastly different effects on the outcome as well.

    See my tome above... why not just go on ranking? Whole-line, and individual player rankings – we can use the same site next year? In order for this year's line perf to be considered much better, and a win for you, they would have to place in the top 1/3 of all NFL lines? And none of the players could show up on the bottom 15 ranking? Is that too stringent?

    I’m trying to get at this… if jerry had actually done something/anything in FA and picked up two guys (on top of spencer) to help us, where would we be? So that’s my marker. If this line can’t keep jay safe or help us win none of it matters anyway, but let’s agree on a measurement we both feel comfortable with. Let me know.

    Btw viva, this all looks so delicious… I can’t wait:

    I want a broiled filet mignon, I want lamb chops, I want calves liver, bacon and onions, I wanna lobster tail, and a baked potato, and a chocolate mint ice cream…

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Really? A filet is a woman's steak, and I get the lamb and the lobster but liver and onions... wtf?

  • In reply to Urlacher FTW:

    I don't know man, I was trying to do my best caddyshack impression and was just picking shit that caught my eye. Here's what I would actually order, if you must know:

    - To kick things off… Crystal Head vodka martini, straight up, 3 olives… shaken, not stirred
    - Then a bottle(s) of Justin (and/)or Hess Cab to go with the order below
    - Mussels Marinara
    - Small Caesar (light dressing, no croutons or anchovies)
    - Lambs chops and lobster tail (fuck yeah, mix 'em up garcon!)
    - Chocolate Mint Ice Cream
    - Decaff double espresso

    Did I miss something? Anyone else want to throw down you picks?

  • In reply to Urlacher FTW:

    Liver and onions. Yes! But an ickle-wickle baby calf frolicking in the sun, the smell of fresh-cut grass in his little baby nostrils, the joys of lollygagging in the spring .... and then ..... WHACK! .... bolt gun straight into the temporal lobe ... his little mates screaming in terror .....

    ... sure does taste good in a little brandy, brown sugar and red wine reduction though :o)

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Disclaimer: btw, I want it officially known that in no way shape or form am I betting against our boys or our team. I will gladly buy Viva the fattest assed dinner he can shovel down his throat, if we can go to and win the bowl.

    This is more of a Jerry angelo grade than anything.

    I am actually pulling for me to lose this one, because I hope to 8lb baby jebus (I saw you on the last thread lobo) that these bags of mediocre sheite can pull it together and keep jay alive long enough to hoist the Lombardi.

  • The strength of our o-line is run blocking, and I'd prefer to wager from a position of strength. Look - if we average over 4.5 ypc we will win 10+ games this year hands down, and Cutler will have all the time he needs in the pocket. Strategy is derived from axioms, and the 4.5 ypc axiom is what we have known all along. RUN THE FUCKING BALL DOWN THEIR THROATS AND SPREAD THEIR D.
    Want to control the clock? - run the ball 4.5 ypc.
    Want to put a guy on an island with the Skunk? run the ball 4.5 ypc.
    Want to wear the fat bastards out in the 4th quarter? run the ball 4.5 ypc.
    Want to win? - run the ball 4.5 ypc.

    Sacks/sacks allowed are not as critical to winning games as running 4.5 ypc is in most cases.

  • In reply to Viva:

    hmmmm... what do the rest of you guys think?

    I get your theory viva, just a lot of other elements/factors in that equation besides oline play.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Viva, MB

    I think maybe you guys are defining "better o-line" in different ways.

    I propose this system, which seems relatively easy.

    IF the Bears rushing yds/avg is equal or greater to 2010 (this includes avg ALL RBs, not just Forte)


    IF Cutty gets sacked less (I'll let you guys decide how much less. I think he got sacked 10% of the time in 2010 - most -per ESPN, so maybe if he drops to 7% which is about avg methinks)

    THEN Viva wins.

    IF the rushing yds/avg is less AND the sacks hover around 10%, say, 8% Then MB wins as it would be obvious that there wasn't a significant upgrade in oline play.

    In the odd event that the Bears rushing yd/avg is better, while the sacks are worse (good lord) or vice versa, then it's a draw.

    Just a thought.

  • In reply to Viva:

    Sorry Viva, but Mr. Martz ain't running the ball unless the Bears are up at least 3 scores. Or unless Tice and Lovie have a serious sit down like they did at last years bye week. But considering how they're loading up on Martz's guys, I'd say we're going to see a lot of pass attempts from Jay this year, that is until he's taken out on a stretcher.

  • In reply to Viva:

    Bear football. Smackmouth defense, punishing ground game. Yes.

  • I tried posting this around 1030a from work, but was denied by the ChicagoNow monster. Either that or my compliance manager will be calling me into her office tomorrow for a quick word...

    Angelo made his bed and now he's going to have to lay in it. I wish I were as optimistic about the O-Line, the secondary and the FA signings as most of you - but I just don't see it happening this year.

    Last year it seemed like the starts aligned and everything went the Bears way, starting from the Calvin Johnson TD declared not a TD, to completely missing the injury bug and finally drawing a 1st rd. match-up against a terrible 7-9 SEA Seahawks team. Those kinds of breaks only come around so often, which is why it was so disappointing to see the team crap out in the NFC Championship game against the Packers... in person. That kind of season is so rare that I just don't see this Bears getting those kinds of breaks, especially in regards to the injury bug.

    It's still preseason and there is certainly reason for optimism, but the kool-aid just doesn't taste as sweet for me these days. Bless your optimistic hearts - I will try to see the glass as half full, but I'm just not sure this Bears team can overcome the string of poor decisions made year after year by upper management.

  • In reply to Shady:

    We were extremely lucky re injuries and the Lions TD that wasn't (that was really). Although the luck also went against us in fairness - we were actually still in that Giants game for a long time, and if we had a single receiver worth a damn on the field that day we were in striking distance. Also Lovie didn't throw the challenge flag on Cutler's dive for a first down(or was it a TD?), which would have been successful. But the freedom from key injuries isn't likely to repeat itself. Hopefully it happens where we have some depth e.g. Receiver.

  • My god you are all depressing. Team goes to the NFC Championship Game and you'd think we're coming off a 6-10.

  • In reply to Jeff Hughes:

    Everyone's just having fun practicing their dramatic writing skills Jeff. It does help to pass time and is quite entertaining. MB should write a novel, he'd be a good writer.

  • In reply to BigDaddy:

    That's exactly what this blog is Big Daddy. Nail on the head.

    Scary thing is Jeff, we should have a better team this year from the additions we've made ... which puts us you know where. I couldn't take another drubbing in the big one. Love to whack the Dolts in the Super bowl though - and Tommie Harris just signed with them !

  • In reply to Jeff Hughes:

    read up Jeff. My only beef (see how I did that viva) is the oline. It's an enormous one, but I think the rest of the o positions have actually gotten better... not to mention the D and specials.

    Problem is, if the oline is as bad, or just slightly better, than last year, we're (and Jay) in trouble. To Shady's point, we're going to get hit harder by the injury bug no matter what too.

    I just wished Jerry did the right/obvious thing and set this team up for a SB run… without needing immense luck and a prayer.

  • In reply to Jeff Hughes:

    Last year, we came off of a non-playoff season and went 11-5 and to the NFC Championship on our home field....face it, Jeff - most of us are pessimists in spite of ourselves.
    I think we're going to go 10-6, no worse than that. As much as I dislike RW, I do think we are positioned well to still make some significant additions over the next twenty four hours. And if not, I still think RB, ST, and the line play on both sides of the ball have already been upgraded via draft or FA. The question is, have they made up for the continued aging of our defensive core.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I left out the part where the vast majority on here thought we'd finish third or worse in the NFC North after stinking it up in preseason last year.

  • In reply to Jeff Hughes:

    I did say I was bipolar :o)

    What's your excuse MB?

  • Has anyone been following the Niners? Their entire defensive unit has bolted. Harbaugh is going to have to light up the scoreboard every week so even have a chance. He must have threatened to bring back Singletary.

  • In reply to BigDaddy:

    Harbaugh is just going to send Patrick Willis out there by himself. The other 10 guys are useless, he'll take care of it alone.

  • It's seems like the more optimistic the fans and media are in the preseason, the worse the Bears do in the regular season. It seems like only when the Bears feel the world is against them do they actually kick ass in the regular season.

  • I went to CBS and voted for Jeff as best sports blogger.

    For health/lifestyle I (of course) went with Jenny Milk.

    I voted for Jimmy Greenfield as Chicagoan most likely to kill blogging in Chicago. But I did vote him most likely to find you a great airfare to Hawaii.

  • Maybe it's just me, but losing to your arch rivals in a championship game for a trip to the Big Dance feels a lot worse than a 6-10 season. Especially when the stars (not starts) aligned for you all season.

    ...Maybe I just haven't gotten over the game yet. So disappointing.

  • In reply to Shady:

    I was really pissed that Lovie didn't go balls to the walls to eliminate GB at the end of the season. How do you not throw everything including the kitchen sink to win THAT game. I felt the Bears lost their chance to go yard when they couldn't will a win against our arch enemies.

  • In reply to Shady:

    Fkn A. Losing to the Fudgers in Soldier field of all places.... for the Halas trophy .... euch. Seeing Todd Collins take the field. Just a bad bad dream.

  • Like a kid headed to the candy store with 24 million in change, here's how I grade out what to buy:

    Samuel is a pass. Like somebody said, he's not a Maranelli kind of guy, he's a gambler as well as a malcontent. So he's the 3rd Pro Bowl CB on the Eagles, so what? What does it say about his character that he wants to bolt instead of fight for the starting spot? Maybe... hmmm... a pussy?

    Tatufu is a pass. He can't play SSLB at Pisa's spot, and Child Support doesn't want him backing him up. He'd be frozen out.

    Johnathan Goodwin is a go. Spencer to play RG, Goodwin at C. I will also accept Leonard Davis at 370lb taking Garza's spot. Maybe Gaither or even Waters of the Chiefs is a Garza upgrade.

    B. Edwards is a go. Still out there, another big Cutler target in the Marshall mold. Floyd and a Knox trade as per Irish is good with me.

    Still stuff out there.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Sounds reasonable. I think you're nuts on Asante. He would come in handy on nickel packages against the cheese and the lions. Lions may be harder to beat than the cheese this year.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    And Ryan Harris from the Broncos, was he signed ? If we get a good tackle I may pass out from the boner.

  • MB and Viva, I think your going to have a hard time agreeing to a bet. I agree with MB and most posters that the OL was very inferior last year, but it wasn't all their fault. Some of the blame lays with Martz for his stubborn, stupid 7 step drops; Cutler for holding the ball too long at times; and the receivers for not getting open.
    I agree with Viva that we MUST run the ball more and stick to it. If the Bears stay true to the run, and don't abandon it for entire games, it will greatly help the pass protection. All the losses last year, except the Championship Game, the Bears only ran the ball as an afterthought. In the losses they only averaged about 15-16 carries a game.

  • McNabb dead
    Stafford dead
    RODGERSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!! you fucking cuntbag piece of shit with tons of talent.........FUCKING DEADDDDD!!!!!!

    Learn about this shit that i amended from the other day when Doc used math skills to disprove my yards theory:

    Williams 1000 yards
    Bennett 800 yards
    Knox 650 yards
    Hurd 400 yards
    Hester 400 yards
    Forte 500 yards
    Spaethe and KD 250 total

    - 4000 yards count it Doc you smart mother fucker!!!!! i used round numbers to make it easier.


  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    nailed it.

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    Spaethe and KD 250 total - but that could still be 25 TDs between them.
    Don't forget Dez Clarke's 5 TDs and 300 yards and Malcom Floyd with his 800 to help Cutty break the single season yardage record. Mwah!

  • Suck it Jerry, someone else is all in this year:

  • Hey - isn't our draft tonight???

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    What is the league? Is the first one I joined now defunct?

  • In reply to gpldan:

    We can keep it going but everyone has to vote on a draft time.

  • In reply to BigDaddy:

    What is the league name? Is it Da Bears Blog I?

    Or have you started a Da Bears Blog II?

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Dbb 1 is in limbo. Tonights draft is for Dbb.

  • In reply to BigDaddy:

    Can I get a spot on DBB?

  • In reply to gpldan:

    all spots are filled

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Another one coming probably this weekend GP - I'll sort it tomorrow. I missed my own draft and Joe Spastico is my main man, so real soon don't worry. DBB1 rests in peace.

  • Butter signed a one year deal with the Colts.

    At least Lucas Oil field is air conditioned.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Wow gp, great find. lol. Man I'm bored. Where's some football?

  • Who would take Forte over Foster in FF?

  • "Bears coach Lovie Smith singled out rookies Chris Conte and J.T. Thomas after Tuesday’s practice in Bourbonnais.

    Conte, a third-round safety from California, intercepted two passes, while Thomas, a sixth-round linebacker from West Virginia, continued to make plays while working with the No. 1 defense alongside perennial Pro Bowlers Brian Urlacher and Lance Briggs.

    “As a rookie, you need to do something to show up,” Smith said. “We’ve had a couple of them do that. Chris Conte, the earlier practices he’s looked good. Today, if you are a defensive back, it’s about getting interceptions, and I like some of the things he’s done. Same thing with J.T. Thomas. He’s gotten a lot of reps and he’s shown up also.”

    - from Bears home page.

  • "While some critics questioned Jay Cutler's footwork last season, Martz described it as "amazing" on Tuesday.

    "I was kind of stunned," Martz said. "He has done an awful lot of work on his own in the offseason.

    "I was kind of giddy to be honest with you because watching him drop right now is textbook, and I didn't know how we were going to get him there, but he got there himself before he came to work and we couldn't be more happy with that."

    - from every major sports news.

  • In reply to 4ever85:

    Few thoughts.

    1) I not only like what Cuttys saying, I like the way in which he's saying it.

    2) He looks good, not like his usual 2am face.

    3) Textbook delivery? I'll have to see it to believe it. If this is true, this will really cut down on his back foot throws which sail over our midget WRs. Less high throws, bigger WRs, more knowledge of system = less interceptions/sacks = more wins.

  • In reply to 4ever85:

    WTF? Really? I thought he was trying to break the record for getting papped with whatsherface .... who knew they were going back to the suite and he was taking snaps off her in the bathroom and dropping back into the walk-in dressing room. Sweet.

    Cue power-dive and fumblerooski jokes ....

  • On the DBB fantasy league - Dang, the league is full I guess. I'm usually against Fantasy Football because then I have to end up rooting for players to do well who can in theory hurt the Bears. Say, if Vick is my QB on FF and we're in contention with the Eagles for home field or a wild card.

    Osi for a second, nothing more. OK, maybe a 5th. We need our first rounder next year to get a G/T (deja vu), LB, CB, or even WR/DT (if these experiments don't pan out).

  • In reply to 4ever85:

    I guess I can admit to this now. I had Rodgers and Jennings kept aside for the picks-contest on DBB in the NFC champs game. I can't say the rest out loud, but I'm glad they semi-stank.

  • My take so far, there is a chance the OL could be middle of the pack at best. Hope they sign some vets for backup at least. I don't know how you guys can agree on that wager. Tough call. Love the part about Forte being cut like a rock. I'm guessing Numb Nuts will sign him long term (3-4 year extension) after he's done looking through the cut out bin. Would love to see Edwards or Floyd signed.


    So....we don't want offensive linemen and we don't want Pisa who had ONE knee worked on in the offseason, we want Tatupu who had A DOUBLE KNEE SURGERY????? Am in in the fucking twilight zone?? I would be so pissed right now except that we have Fantuz.

    There is no way this happens. Get a fucking offensive lineman for gods sake Jerry you huge smelly italian penis.

  • We should get another started. I'll commish it and send the info out shortly.

  • I didn't do too shabby in the ff draft. My three starting WR's are, plax, roddy white, andre johnson. Woohoo. I didn't have the courage to pick Williams early on and someone snatched him way too early.

  • In reply to BigDaddy:

    I picked him in round 9 of a ten team draft - mostly so I didn't have to listen to the bullshit if he ends up playing well this year and killing me in a head-to-head somewhere down the line.

    You picked a TE in round 10 and an unsigned FA receiver in round 11, smartass.

  • In reply to BigDaddy:

    Didn't you get Cutty in the 5th BD?

  • My first match is against Mike Brown Had some poontang. I scouted your team and it ain't gonna be pretty. You be going down.

  • In reply to BigDaddy:

    Good luck.

  • Oh Olin, now it's just... it's just sad.

  • • "Latest: Saints sign Nicks to one-year, $2.61 million contract."

    we could have had a real guard for $2 1/2M. wow.

    • In other ‘much better GM’ news, "Latest: Eagles reportedly agree to one-year deal with Harris"

    That's Ryan Harris, the T that used to block for Cutty. Probably another $2-3M deal. Holy crap the eagles are the heat of fb

    • Goodwin also on the blocks as GP noted… no takers yet. Jerry?

    • Oh, yeah... and "Latest: Agent explains Ex-Bear Kreutz wants to play"

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Blockerz? We don't need no stinkin' blockerz mangs.

  • Sign Lofa Tatupu now. The dude can play any LB spot, has been one of the most underrated LBs in the league, is a perfect fit for Lovie's scheme, and the Bears need depth at LB. Make it so, Angelo.

  • In reply to Shady:

    double knee surgeries this offseason

  • Vikings OT Bryant McKinnie released Tuesday... For weighing 400lbs.


  • I fuckin forgot about the DRAFT! shit

  • I need WRs! stupid CPU drafted Randy Moss? isnt he retired? wtf.

  • Hey Fres, I was wondering how you were short three players mang! It should autoppick you players even if you're not there - did you drop players already? Yeah, that's teh thing about draftin when you're not there - you have to go in and drop guys like Randy Moss, Donald Driver, Crabtree etc. down to the bottom. I did mention it yesterday. The s/w doesn't track who's not going to be of any use.

  • We aint gonna signed no more players MB. We are in Training camp already and that door in FA has closed. This is our team for the year.

  • Lamest. Fantasy. Team. Ever.

    QB: Rodgers, Romo, Rapherberger.

    RB: Ryan Grant, Stephen Jackson (he's cool I guess), James Starks, Mike Tolbert, .

    WR: Fitz (cool), Bowe, Dez Bryant (could be good), A.J. Green, Jerome Simpson (who?).

    Why'd I have to forget about the draft? Why?


    I call Re-Draft!

  • In reply to Doc Nitty 34:

    Don't worry Doc. More to come bro. Can't be lamer than missing your own draft when you set the thing up! I did have a job interview thingy though. Looks like I got it too. Just have to go back tomorrow and listen to the University director talk about how great he is for an hour, then tell him how great he is, shake his hand and that's it. I think.

    After ranking my players and even setting the rounds each position got picked ... I still got hosed (at QB anyway, although Stafford can get good matchups) :

    Joe Flacco, Bal QB
    Matthew Stafford, Det QB

    Matt Forte, Chi RB
    LeGarrette Blount, TB RB
    Cedric Benson, RB
    Reggie Bush, Mia RB

    Santonio Holmes, NYJ WR
    Greg Jennings, GB WR
    Vincent Jackson, SD WR
    Santana Moss, WSH WR
    Mike Thomas, Jac WR

    Owen Daniels, Hou TE P
    Rob Gronkowski, NE TE

    D/ST Eagles D/ST D/ST
    Patriots D/ST D/ST

    K Josh Brown, StL K

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    Knock 'em dead, Irish!

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    Not bad Irish, really. Sexy Rexy is available. I was just about to pick Forte but you got him.

  • In reply to BigDaddy:

    Had to move Forte up the ladder, he's ranked way too low by all these sites. Moved Cutty up to #5 but all you smart bastards rafted your QBs early, in normal non-Bear leagues you can get Cutler in the 10th! And the Bears DST about 8th.

  • In reply to Doc Nitty 34:

    Dude, Tolbert bangs them in for the Chargers like Bush does for the Raiders, seriously, he'll score more than most. AJ Green is the only receiver left on their roster. Fitz is a stud, Bryant could be one if Austin gets the double coverage. Great QBs for matchups, you could even trade one.

  • There is a sale on Osi in aisle 2:

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    I knew noone would give up a 1st considering his injury history and age. 2nd rounder sounds about right.

    According to the article, the ravens, patriots and chargers are just a few teams interested. Pats must really be switching to a 4-3 - why a 3-4 team would want him though is beyond me.

  • In reply to 4ever85:

    The Irish vote is in. Do it. DO IT!

    Osi, Izzy, 8-ball, Meltdown, Big Toe, Woot-Woot!, Muscles, Nigerian Nightmare, Pep. The Dirty Dozen. boys. Minus like .... three.

  • Viva - MB I think Ive got it.

    I was bored so I got a formula that somewhat evenly grades the Olines.

    Its Sacks allowed divided by YPC take the result times 2 (simply to create some seperation) and subtract that number from 100 for your grade.

    So some 2010 Oline grade results would be:

    Ind Colts - 100 - [(16/3.8) * 2] = 91.58

    NY Giants - 100 - [(16/4.6) * 2] = 93.05

    NE Patriots - 100 - [(25/4.3) * 2] = 88.38

    Minn Vikings - 100 - [(36/4.4) * 2] = 83.64

    Oak Raiders - 100 - [(44/4.9) * 2] = 82.05

    Phi Eagles - 100 - [(49/5.4) * 2] = 81.85

    GB Fudge - 100 - [(38/3.8) * 2] = 80

    Da Bears - 100 - [(56/3.9) * 2] = 71.28

    So if you allow a lot of sacks you need a really good ypc to keep you in the 82 + range, and really if you allow over 305 sacks you probably arent making the high 80s... looks pretty fair.

  • In reply to Urlacher FTW:

    allow over 35 sacks that is... 305 if we have cwilliams at lt

  • In reply to Urlacher FTW:

    Interesting formula FTW. To me, it says sacks are weighted too heavily. To me, a great O-line would give up, say, 10 sacks and have 5 yards per carry. We want it to be something un-achievable. We could even say, 5 sacks and 6 YPC. Yeah, let's go with that. We'll give that line a score of 100. An avg line would give up 25 sacks and have 4 yards per carry. Does that sound about right? We'll give that line a score of 50. Now, I like that you have the ypc in the denominator and the sacks in the numerator but I don't think we need to get that fancy. We'll just set up a system of two equations with two unknowns and let x be yards per carry and y be sacks allowed. Our two unknowns will be s and t. Our equation is,


    So here are our two equations:

    5s+6t=100 and 25s+4t=50

    We solve for our two unknowns and get,

    s=-.76 and t=17.23

    So, using maths, we could use Nitty's homegrown formula:

    17.23y-0.76x=Score where y=ypc and x=sacks

    You could tweak it so the avg score is 80 and an abysmal score is 60 or whatever. You could argue that an avg o-line is different than what I suggest or the best, whatever. Any of these changes will result in a different formula. But I like your formula too.

  • In reply to Doc Nitty 34:

    ^^^ 798 on the GMAT

    good work doc.

  • In reply to Doc Nitty 34:

    I'm hot for teacher .....

  • In reply to Doc Nitty 34:

    Yah I tried some variations I just felt that with application most lines with this formula graded out with a B or B- with very few B+ and As which is where I felt things should fall. And we were a C- which I felt right on with also. And that even the Raiders who gave up a load of sack graded out decent because of their run blocking, so it seems balanced in it's application.

  • I go fishing in Lake Huron for a week and miss 350+ comments.

    Looking at Braylon Edward's twitter, he lost his phone last night and somebody sent out tweets he was leaving NY.

    Anybody here have Braylon's phone?

  • Give them a freakin 2nd round pick right now... right now

  • decent article about the bears FA's:

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    Our FA signings are great - if we don't take into consideration offensive line gamble.

  • The Bears are looking for a linebacker and former Seattle Seahawks LB Lofa Tatupu(notes), a 28-year-old three-time Pro Bowler, is interested in filling the need. ESPN reports that there is "mutual interest" between the two sides to get a deal done.

    However, Tatupu, who asked to be released by the 'Hawks this past weekend after the team wanted him to take a pay cut, also "visited the Oakland Raiders and has a meeting planned with the Washington Redskins," the site reports.

    Bears assistant general manager Tim Ruskell used to be the GM in Seattle and was the fella who drafted Tatupu out of USC in 1995, ESPN notes, so that may help a deal come about.

  • In reply to Artoo:

    Artoo, that sumbitch was drafted when he was 12? Out of USC? Damn smart and tough guy. LOL Just bustin your nuts Artoo.

  • After a few days of reflection, former Bears C Olin Kreutz isn't going to retire. He wants to play for the right team.

  • Here's the latest on O. Kreutz. He wants to play if he can find the right team that wants to win. He's sad it didn't work out in Chi


    Why do we go after damaged goods?

  • In reply to Artoo:

    I would look at in context. He doesn't cost us picks, so if we got him cheap enough for a two year gig, we get a pro bowl 4-3 mike to have on the shelf if Lach gets hurt (God FORBID) and if he is able to recoup and be at full strength for next year, he gives you options you didn't think you'd have. We have money to blow anyway.

    1. ) Get Matty Happy.
    2. ) Trade our second to get Osi.
    3. ) Sign Tatupu for a 2 year deal with some incentives.

    If we got Osi, added my favorite short yardage back, upgraded our WRs size, and sprinkle in a possible replacement for Lach, I would be pretty pleased with this offseason.

  • In reply to Urlacher FTW:

    that is a good won't happen though lol

  • In reply to Artoo:

    might actually be a good fit. Pisa is gone right?


    About Major,0,3561864.story

    About Knox bulking up,0,7550216.column

    Martz saying i effed up


    They have a lot of hope in KD

  • My Fantasy team aint to shabby. My WR's are little ehhhhhhh? u know wha I mean.

  • any takers on Angelos Picture for this blog? any comments?
    "HEeyyyy Im stupid"

  • You mean caption contest Fres?

    How about: "This is where lovie sits!"

    Or, "I like ice cream!"

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    yea lol.

  • Here's the draft results:

    Round: 1
    (1) Doc Nitty - Aaron Rodgers QB
    (2) Team Norway - Adrian Peterson RB
    (3) Chicago NewBearInTown - Arian Foster RB
    (4) Team Fresno - Chris Johnson RB
    ** (5) Bad News MBHAP - LeSean McCoy RB
    (6) Who Be The Willie G? - Jamaal Charles RB
    (7) Team Murph - Maurice Jones-Drew RB
    (8) HI Menehune - Ray Rice RB
    (9) Irish Sweetness - Matt Forte RB
    (10) Big Daddy - Andre Johnson WR

    Round: 2
    (11) Big Daddy - Roddy White WR
    (12) Irish Sweetness - Greg Jennings WR
    (13) HI Menehune - Michael Vick QB
    (14) Team Murph - Hakeem Nicks WR
    (15) Who Be The Willie G? - Rashard Mendenhall RB
    ** (16) Bad News MBHAP - Michael Turner RB
    (17) Team Fresno - Frank Gore RB
    (18) Chicago NewBearInTown - Drew Brees QB
    (19) Team Norway - Calvin Johnson WR
    (20) Doc Nitty - Larry Fitzgerald WR

    Round: 3
    (21) Doc Nitty - Steven Jackson RB
    (22) Team Norway - Tom Brady QB
    (23) Chicago NewBearInTown - Darren McFadden RB
    (24) Team Fresno - Peyton Manning QB
    ** (25) Bad News MBHAP - Mike Wallace WR
    (26) Who Be The Willie G? - Miles Austin WR
    (27) Team Murph - Philip Rivers QB
    (28) HI Menehune - Peyton Hillis RB
    (29) Irish Sweetness - Vincent Jackson WR
    (30) Big Daddy - DeAngelo Williams RB

    Round: 4
    (31) Big Daddy - Ahmad Bradshaw RB
    (32) Irish Sweetness - LeGarrette Blount RB
    (33) HI Menehune - Jonathan Stewart RB
    (34) Team Murph - DeSean Jackson WR
    (35) Who Be The Willie G? - Antonio Gates TE
    ** (36) Bad News MBHAP - Brandon Marshall WR
    (37) Team Fresno - Reggie Wayne WR
    (38) Chicago NewBearInTown - Knowshon Moreno RB
    (39) Team Norway - Ryan Mathews RB
    (40) Doc Nitty - Dez Bryant WR

    Round: 5
    (41) Doc Nitty - Dwayne Bowe WR
    (42) Team Norway - Mike Williams WR
    (43) Chicago NewBearInTown - Jeremy Maclin WR
    (44) Team Fresno - Marques Colston WR
    ** (45) Bad News MBHAP - Jay Cutler QB
    (46) Who Be The Willie G? - Chad Ochocinco WR
    (47) Team Murph - Jahvid Best RB
    (48) HI Menehune - Brandon Lloyd WR
    (49) Irish Sweetness - Santonio Holmes WR
    (50) Big Daddy - Matt Schaub QB

    Round: 6
    (51) Big Daddy - BenJarvus Green-Ellis RB
    (52) Irish Sweetness - Cedric Benson RB
    (53) HI Menehune - Dallas Clark TE
    (54) Team Murph - Matt Ryan QB
    (55) Who Be The Willie G? - Shonn Greene RB
    ** (56) Bad News MBHAP - Sidney Rice WR
    (57) Team Fresno - Steve Johnson WR
    (58) Chicago NewBearInTown - Wes Welker WR
    (59) Team Norway - Felix Jones RB
    (60) Doc Nitty - Tony Romo QB

    Round: 7
    (61) Doc Nitty - Ben Roethlisberger QB
    (62) Team Norway - Jason Witten TE
    (63) Chicago NewBearInTown - Jermichael Finley TE
    (64) Team Fresno - Vernon Davis TE
    ** (65) Bad News MBHAP - Mark Ingram RB
    (66) Who Be The Willie G? - Eli Manning QB
    (67) Team Murph - Julio Jones WR
    (68) HI Menehune - Kenny Britt WR
    (69) Irish Sweetness - Joe Flacco QB
    (70) Big Daddy - Daniel Thomas RB

    Round: 8
    (71) Big Daddy - Percy Harvin WR
    (72) Irish Sweetness - Owen Daniels TE
    (73) HI Menehune - Fred Jackson RB
    (74) Team Murph - Pierre Thomas RB
    (75) Who Be The Willie G? - Austin Collie WR
    ** (76) Bad News MBHAP - Joseph Addai RB
    (77) Team Fresno - Mario Manningham WR
    (78) Chicago NewBearInTown - Josh Freeman QB
    (79) Team Norway - Anquan Boldin WR
    (80) Doc Nitty - Ryan Grant RB

    Round: 9
    (81) Doc Nitty - James Starks RB
    (82) Team Norway - Jordy Nelson WR
    (83) Chicago NewBearInTown - Michael Crabtree WR
    (84) Team Fresno - Marshawn Lynch RB
    ** (85) Bad News MBHAP - Roy Williams WR
    (86) Who Be The Willie G? - Kevin Kolb QB
    (87) Team Murph - Mikel Leshoure RB
    (88) HI Menehune - Johnny Knox WR
    (89) Irish Sweetness - Santana Moss WR
    (90) Big Daddy - Bears D/ST D/ST

    Round: 10
    (91) Big Daddy - Zach Miller TE
    (92) Irish Sweetness - Matthew Stafford QB
    (93) HI Menehune - Ryan Williams RB
    (94) Team Murph - Pierre Garcon WR
    (95) Who Be The Willie G? - Beanie Wells RB
    ** (96) Bad News MBHAP - Greg Olsen TE
    (97) Team Fresno - Braylon Edwards WR
    (98) Chicago NewBearInTown - Ryan Torain RB
    (99) Team Norway - Steve Smith WR
    (100) Doc Nitty - A.J. Green WR

    Round: 11
    (101) Doc Nitty - Mike Tolbert RB
    (102) Team Norway - C.J. Spiller RB
    (103) Chicago NewBearInTown - Steelers D/ST D/ST
    (104) Team Fresno - Randy Moss WR
    ** (105) Bad News MBHAP - Mike Sims-Walker WR
    (106) Who Be The Willie G? - LaDainian Tomlinson RB
    (107) Team Murph - Nate Kaeding K
    (108) HI Menehune - Michael Bush RB
    (109) Irish Sweetness - Eagles D/ST D/ST
    (110) Big Daddy - Malcom Floyd WR

    Round: 12
    (111) Big Daddy - Lance Moore WR
    (112) Irish Sweetness - Mike Thomas WR
    (113) HI Menehune - Brandon Jacobs RB
    (114) Team Murph - Ronnie Brown RB
    (115) Who Be The Willie G? - Jets D/ST D/ST
    ** (116) Bad News MBHAP - Sam Bradford QB
    (117) Team Fresno - Packers D/ST D/ST
    (118) Chicago NewBearInTown - Mike Williams WR
    (119) Team Norway - Willis McGahee RB
    (120) Doc Nitty - Matt Cassel QB

    Round: 13
    (121) Doc Nitty - Marcedes Lewis TE
    (122) Team Norway - Kellen Winslow TE
    (123) Chicago NewBearInTown - Terrell Owens WR
    (124) Team Fresno - Tim Tebow QB
    ** (125) Bad News MBHAP - James Jones WR
    (126) Who Be The Willie G? - Thomas Jones RB
    (127) Team Murph - Ravens D/ST D/ST
    (128) HI Menehune - Roy Helu RB
    (129) Irish Sweetness - Reggie Bush RB
    (130) Big Daddy - Neil Rackers K

    Round: 14
    (131) Big Daddy - Plaxico Burress WR
    (132) Irish Sweetness - Patriots D/ST D/ST
    (133) HI Menehune - Deion Branch WR
    (134) Team Murph - Chris Cooley TE
    (135) Who Be The Willie G? - Jacoby Jones WR
    ** (136) Bad News MBHAP - Marion Barber RB
    (137) Team Fresno - Mike Goodson RB
    (138) Chicago NewBearInTown - Robert Meachem WR
    (139) Team Norway - Derrick Mason WR
    (140) Doc Nitty - Jerome Simpson WR

    Round: 15
    (141) Doc Nitty - Falcons D/ST D/ST
    (142) Team Norway - Saints D/ST D/ST
    (143) Chicago NewBearInTown - Leonard Hankerson WR
    (144) Team Fresno - Montario Hardesty RB
    ** (145) Bad News MBHAP - Giants D/ST D/ST
    (146) Who Be The Willie G? - Lee Evans WR
    (147) Team Murph - Hines Ward WR
    (148) HI Menehune - Chargers D/ST D/ST
    (149) Irish Sweetness - Rob Gronkowski TE
    (150) Big Daddy - David Garrard QB

    Round: 16
    (151) Big Daddy - Lions D/ST D/ST
    (152) Irish Sweetness - Josh Brown K
    (153) HI Menehune - Rob Bironas K
    (154) Team Murph - Darren Sproles RB
    (155) Who Be The Willie G? - Stephen Gostkowski K
    ** (156) Bad News MBHAP - Robbie Gould K
    (157) Team Fresno - Garrett Hartley K
    (158) Chicago NewBearInTown - David Akers K
    (159) Team Norway - Billy Cundiff K
    (160) Doc Nitty - Mason Crosby K

  • Caption:

    Our Little GM
    had bundles of cash,
    not spent on Nnamdi or Osi
    He stuck his thumb up,
    right into his butt,
    to find the '11 Lombardi.

  • Announcing .....

    Da Bears Blog II

    When's the draft?

    Date: Fri, Aug 5, 2011
    Time: 10:00 PM ET

    Will Fres show up?

    Not fkn likely.

    What's the link and password ?
    Password: sweetness

    Sorry Norske Baere - I can't pull an all-nighter this weekend cos I have one of those job-things to go to on Monday. But I think MBHAP is organizing one that might be cool for your timezone, sorry Mang.

    As people have lives and can forget tehre's a draft on/can't make it ... I do advise all those who join to click on the 'My Team' tab, and go in and re-order the players at each position to your preferences (dropping all retired/injured players down to the bottom), and then selecting what position you would like to draft in each round - or leave it to draft the best available (according to the PCs idea of best available, which they aren't).

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    Where do I set it up to draft who I want? I will be working at that time.

  • In reply to Artoo:

    by working I mean sleeping lol

  • In reply to Artoo:

    The Gnomes have arrived!

  • In reply to Artoo:

    Once you join Artoo, look for the "My Team" tab and then look beside your team logo for for 'Edit Autopick strategy' etc. and 'Edit Pre-Draft Player Rankings' Don't forget to change the rankings, cos some players who won't be playing this year or are missing the first six weeks like Crabtree ... might get drafted for you. Or you might get Eli Manning which would obviously be a bad thing.

  • does anyone know the best way to get live camp info?

  • In reply to BigDaddy:

    Walk into any ladyboy go-go bar in Pattaya.


  • And what's with Tim Ruskell seemingly always interested in signing ex-Seahawks players. Who are coming off double-knee surgeries and a ripped tit-muscle ....

  • change butt for ass and it would rhyme with cash. I like it.

  • In reply to Doc Nitty 34:

    Ah - nicely done. It's no OL performance formula, but I like it.

  • Manumaleuna walked away with $6 million? That's more than the U.S. treasury has.

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:


  • Most of us have been concentrating on the o-line recently but in reviewing our stats from last year it's pretty obvious our pass defense was borderline sucky. We finished the season ranked 20th and I don't see how we got better in the offseason. The cheese played conservative the first two games against us to make sure the game didn't get sideways on them but when we played them in the playoffs they aired it out more and were successful in pulling away from us on the scoreboard. If the rest of the teams we play this year figure this out it could be a long season unless Martz finds a way to put more points on the board. I don't think we will have the luxury to go with a balanced attack if we can't do a better job against the pass.

  • In reply to BigDaddy:

    Pringles will bring the wood this year.

  • Max Starks is a FA. Stillers let him go. Does he suck less than Webb? Oh yeah, the Stillers oline nearly killed the rapist.Ryan Harris to the Eagles last night F-in pissed me off. WTF. Wtf. WTF. Wtf. WTF. WTF...........

  • WTF once more. Serenity now, serenity now.

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