The Saturday Question: Will Olin Kreutz Be Signed?

The Saturday Question: Will Olin Kreutz Be Signed?

With all due respect to Corey Graham, a valuable corner and special teams ace, the Bears may find themselves in a serious predicament should they fail to reach terms with longtime center/leader Olin Kreutz.  And that predicament is not necessarily a physical one.

Kreutz is not that good anymore.  Too often he looks slow to get around corners and too easily he seems to be blown off the ball in short-yardage scenarios.  Whatever contract he signs will inevitably be a short one as it's unimaginable to think he'll be even competent at the position three seasons from now.

What Kreutz does provide are the intangibles we so often read about in the sports world.  He is the Bears locker room.  He is the one holding folks accountable in the huddle.  Yes he's the signal-caller at the line of scrimmage but he means far more to his four trenchmen (sounds like a folk band) and fifty-plus roster companions than even that.

And don't get started with the fans.  Ever since spurning Dave Wannstedt's overtures from South Beach to stay with the Bears, Kreutz has been a folk hero on the streets of Chicago.  When he crushed Fred Miller's face with a weight at a shooting range he basically built himself a statue on the tough side of Soldier Field.

He's not the player he once was.  But he's still the man and still the leader.  And taking that presence out of the locker room when you're making your Super Bowl push is not a wise move.

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  • It's time for the Bears to decide if they want to improve the line play or resign kruetz because of his leadership role. Personally I thinks it's time to move on and commit to the future of this team. My money is on the Bears letting him go. If they wanted to keep him they would have done a deal with him. I just hope they have a solid replacement in the works.

  • In reply to BigDaddy:

    bingo... but there is no plan BD. That's the problem.

    No. Plan.

    Just a hope and a fucking prayer and wish to Lobo's sweet 8lb baby jebus that we have the same amount of injuries we did last year. That's Jerry's plan.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    They had a plan MB, it was just a poor plan.

    Jerry's plan

    Sign Colon - oh, he'd rather play for less for the Steelers, I wonder why?...ok. Uhmmm. who's left...let me just google it... Oh, no one.

    Ok, I'm tired of hearing my 1st round picks are a bust, so I will just get rid of all of them and that will be the end of that.

    WR, nah, we're good. Oh wait, there are cheap project WRs? Yeah, I like that.

    Kruetz? Is that a new type of polish sausage?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Don't forget that Tice is pretty good at his job. I would be willing to bet that he already has a player or two in the film room as we speak. As hard as it is to do, sometimes you have trust in the coaching staff. Tice will find a way even though he may have to be creative to get it done.

  • In reply to BigDaddy:

    I've heard that over and over again ad nauseum BD... and I agree. But no matter how good you are you can turn shit to gold man. Tice did a great job with the yabbos we had last year just not getting cutty killed till the last game.

    But... we were still the worst oline in the nfl for the 3rd year running dude.

    No thanks. The chicago bears and their fans deserve better. We're not the fucking Cleveland browns (sorry will).

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    MB...and that right there is what scares me about this season and the prior..:Glitchy" seems to have a dart board in the "WAR ROOM" and prays that the players he chooses(the dart lands on) over achieve his expectations.

  • So how are you guys feeling about our FA so far? Seriously, I am curious?

    Corm, I love you man... but really? 5th year we haven't done shit to upgrade our oline (cept for a couple lucky breaks), and FA has pretty much run its course. As joseph (funnily) said, we're about set to add olinemen when all that's left is 2nd and 3rd tier sloppies.

    I get we need something back at C, but there were a lot of young guys on the market that we didn’t even glance at. I love onlin, and I get the value as a vet and locker-room leader, but how much tread is actually still on that tire… He’s only our #1 priority right now because as usual jerry didn’t make the real moves we should have to start rebuilding at C with a young stud.

    Anyone know how much of the $40m cap space we have left? $35M?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    There were no young stud centers on the market. And none of us possess the game film to know what a young stud center even is.

  • In reply to Jeff Hughes:

    I do! lol - the center from the Panthers. We should have traded Olsen for Kalil straight up, but I doubt the Panthers would have gone for it, and when a team refuses to trade a center in his prime for a TE in his prime, that's pretty damning.

  • In reply to Jeff Hughes:

    comon jeff... that's somewhat of a cop out mang. How about mid-rage age vet... known entity... proven.

    How about that. 85 threw one out below. I posted a link a few threads back and there were at least 8 names to pick from. Anything would be worth trying over last year.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    a typical "D" what else does "Glitchy" deserve.

  • As I said last post, I think we have to have Olin back for 2 reasons.

    1. His leadership in the middle of the line, and in the locker room, would be sorely missed. He makes all the line calls, and brings a toughness to that unit. Yeah, he's getting long in the tooth and isn't what he once was, but he's still serviceable for another year or two.

    2. I'd rather have him for our new C to learn from than not have him. I'd also rather have some cohesion for Cutler, instead of trying to break in a new C at the same time he's trying to get used to not having Olsen, and working with 2 new WR's as well as a new LT.

    I still can't believe we missed out on Ray Edwards. That was a move that I identified in February as a must to get maximum performance out of our line. I'm excited to see how AA, Paea the Tongan Headhunter and Pep play together, but we still desperately need another DE to really bring pressure.

  • Should I stay or should I go now...if I stay there will be trouble, if I go it will be double...so come on and let me, should I stay or should I go?

  • In reply to 4ever85:

    *know

  • In reply to 4ever85:

    +1 ..4E85...classic!!!

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    thank you, thank you. I do weddings and bar mitzvahs.

    Personally, I thought my "We signed a punter - great way to kick off the day" was wittier, but I got no love lol

  • U guys think Carl Nicks is worth a first round pick?

  • In reply to 4ever85:

    learn from one of the best don't trade using picks you build using picks.

  • In reply to CanadianBear:

    who was the last Angelo 1st round pick that helped us build? Chris Williams?

    If we had Belichick or Ted Thompson, I would agree to build through the draft. But then again, we would have Mankins and Buluga.

    Maybe I'm just getting impatient. Blaylock is still out there, though he's not as good as Carl Nicks, which is why the Saints slapped a first round tender on him.

  • In reply to 4ever85:

    well you response says it all..... the problem doesn't originate on the field!!!

  • If I go there will be trouble
    And if I stay there will be double (the sacks)

    Seriously, Olin was done last year. Bring in a bunch of young bucs and let them fight it out. No one listens to a rah rah guy that is getting blown up all the time and can 't play anymore. We have Lach and Briggs as locker room leaders. And Garza has been on the line enough to become a vocal leader.

    We should be focusing on picking up whatever gaurds are left and moving Garza to center or bringing in some competition. Do not get into a bidding war for an over the hill center that just isn't effective anymore.

    Sign C. Graham and we might still have the best specials yet again.

    And I would have rather taken a chance on Iwuh's raw athleticism that Roach's gap disciplne. Nick is smart, but pretty pedestrian on the field.

    Irish, I am truly sorry about your dad brotha!! He sounds like a tough as nails type guy. Hang in there.

  • In reply to Crown:

    Your second paragraph is the best summary of the Olin thing I've seen, Crown. That is to say, I agree absolutely.

  • more and more this year looks like a project held together by bailing wire and putting a finger in the dike. If you were ever going to execute a plan this was the year. With money to spend and more FA's than you can shake a stick the opportunity was ther. Yet what do Angelo and more to the point Martz do??? They undertake cheap rebuilding projects and hasbeens!! Come on what gives!! the record of recaliamation projects has been less than steller so far. Adams and others have been mentioned so why stay on this course??

    The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Dah. Yet that is what we keep doing. Its not good enough to get to the dance and only look in thru the window we want to be able to boogie all night long and leave with the hot chick. Come on Jerry, Lovie and ownership lets get it together.

    There is still time and money to move this ship forward instead of just hoping it doesn't sink. Have some balls, use some brains make a couple bold plays and get us in the game. Without some moves it will be tough to make any gains on last year given what other teams have done that's for sure.

  • In reply to CanadianBear:

    CB..... remember bro we are talking about the McCheapsky's...doesn't mean because we have money we will spend it.
    1. We throw nickels around like manhole covers (possible Ginny's Manhole covers not sure)

    2. Mikey needs to by more of his yellow canary Izod sweaters.

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    I hear you on the cheapo's but at leat in the CBA we have to spend a minimum soif thats the case we should spend wisely.

    10 ok guys is not equal to 1 good guy look at JP, best money we ever spent.

    If we are running a pressure D then why do we spend some much time worrying about safety (Angelo)?? If we are getting to the QB then he doesn't have time to throw.

    That may make too much sense to the brain trust.

  • In reply to CanadianBear:

    Actually I just heard this morning that the Cap minimum everyone thought the league was going to have with the new CBA isn't actually what it looked to be at first glance. Turns out that there are some things in it that still allow teams to sandbag.

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    Kruetz will likely resign - if he wanted to leave, he'd be a 49er right now. And who have they missed out on signing? Free, Colon, Yanda, and Clabo were all going to resign with their respective teams. I know Free had higher offers to leave Dallas, and I've heard Colon did, too. The Bears didn't have a shot at any of these guys or Mankins/Nicks. The only significant OL-men to sign with a new team so far was Harvey Dahl, maybe Duece Lutui, so the offensive linemen FA market really just started today.

  • "[Podlesh] was always our No. 1 guy," Toub said. "He was always our No. 1 guy. He's the guy we targeted early way back. We were so happy to get him. As soon as we were able to call him, we tried to recruit him just like we were in college again. He fits us. He's very athletic, he runs a 4.4 [40 yard dash], he's got a great hands, he's a directional punter. He's a young [Brad] Maynard is what he is. He's reaching his prime right now. Again, we're very happy and pleased to have him in the mix."

  • In reply to Artoo:

    cold blodded shot at "old Brad Maynard".

    We will be happy with Podlesh though. Can get us out of some bad field position if need be.

    Agreed Crown. Gholsten was probably a little bit of a reach coming out of college but once he is back in the 4-3 and can play his natural position I think there is a good chance he will perform better than previously. Hopefully he can make the team and get some swagger back. Sometimes all you need is a second chance.

    I would have loved Jenkins or Ray Edwards but Izzy and Wootton are serviceable so this was the time for a project that could reap huge dividends. He looks like a fucking cartoon character he has to have some skill left.

  • Looking forward to seeing Gholsten in a 4-3, even though Jeff says he sucks. He's obvioulsy not fit to play outside LB in a 3-4, so lets put him back at his natural position and see what he the 6th overall draft pick a few years ago has got. It's not like we broke the bank for em.

  • In reply to Crown:

    Hey Crown I agree we didn't pay for him but if he adds nothing then nothing was gained. In this year its not the cost of anyone its the lost opportunity of not adding someone. We were basically 1 quarter away from the Super Bowl last year now we may be a hell of a lot further down the list. What your opponent does impacts what you have to do. Going into a huge FA season saying you targeted a punter??? Is that all we needed??

    Taking second tier or third tier FA's when there are other more pressing needs and people available shows lack of vision upstairs plain and simple. We all have to spend about the same amount of money nder the new CBA some are just spending it wisely.

  • In reply to CanadianBear:

    if Jerry and the crew are serious go make a play for Assante Samual now that philly is flush with CB's he's excess to them and they needh to dump salary.

  • In reply to CanadianBear:

    +1

  • Lets try to read the tea leaves. The Trib reported that Carimi will be starting TC at LT, Webb at RT, Garza will be filling in at Center, and Lance Louis at RT Gaurd. That means we now need a center and left guard at a minimum and ideally another Tackle as well. You know as well as I do that the Bears will probably only to make upgrades in one maybe two positions as best. No way will the Bears be able to fill all their line needs this year via FA. I would rather have a nasty guard than two weak prospects cause I don't see the Bears making more than one FA signing when it comes to the O-line. Finding two players that will be upgrades will be rather difficult at this point in time.

  • In reply to BigDaddy:

    Ok big daddy lets work the leaves then.

    From left to right. The new huge TE Spaeth on left beside him go get Matt Light for 1 or 2 years at LT beside him Williams or Webb. Now we have a huge blind side. Use Light to teach Carimi and others the ropes.

    At center if Kruetz returns great if not Garza. With Williams and Webb beside him it will be good.

    Right side obviously either Garza or Williams or Webb to use at RG, it will be ok, then Carimi in at RT to learn for a year.

    Then they can develop some of those UDFA's to fill in once Light is gone.

    This shit isn;t that hard, come on Jerry/ Lovie lets go.

    By building the O line in this fashion it leaves lots of room to spend some cash on our beloved D and Assante Samuel NOW!!!

    Then were talking some football.

  • In reply to BigDaddy:

    Ok lets just have a look at the big picture of the o-line and whats possible without spending a ton.

    Agreed with previous posts about Tice. He's good. So here is an idea.

    From left to right across the line. Place the new huge TE Spaeth on blind side. Unconventional yes but fits with Martz. Beside him go out and get Matt Light or some other vet for 1 or 2 years. Not a ton of cash but worth it (stay with me) beside him Webb at LG. Now the blind side is big and strong just what we need to protect Jay man.

    At center save the cash and move Garza over.

    Right side Williams beside Garza at RG and Carimi RT for a year or so to learn the position.

    Then take a bunch of those UDFA line guys and develop them for the future. This doesn't break the bank and leaves us cash to shop for the D. Can you say Assante Samuel.

  • i just wrote a manifesto with 10 detailed upgrades on how the Bears improved and 3 detailed ways to improve further. it took me 10 minutes to write and in my very first post of the day Chicago Now tells me i'm posting too fast and deletes my opus? I'm officially done until the problem is fixed. At least 20 of my posts over the last 5 days have not gotten through. I'm fucking done. Greenfield, you suck at your job. Peace out.

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    you gotta copy Johhny. Kinda sucks, but that's what I do. e-mail the gnome - although it probably won't go through lol

    You'll be back - the bears are like crack to you and me! Come on, take a toac, just a little...

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    hear you on this brother its happened three times in a row to me as well

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    I went through the same thing last night with several posts. It's beyond irritating. CN needs to get this shit figured out. It's been weeks now and some of these significant usability issues are still biting us in the ass.
    C'mon Jimmy.

  • Bradford will lose one of his offensive linemen Saturday, when the Rams release guard Jacob Bell, who turned down an offer to restructure his $6 million base salary for this year. Bell, an eighth-year veteran, started all 16 games for St. Louis last season.

  • In reply to Artoo:

    So once again we get sloppy seconds. We could have just signed Dahl, and the fact that the Rams rather sign Dahl and let Bell walk ought to tell us who they value more.

  • In reply to Artoo:

    Artoo..Hell it's from St. Louis!!!!!! fucking Lovie's got "wood" for St. Louie and anything from there..& btw look how old fuck did for our O-line last time...sssshhhheeeshh $#!@$#!@$#!@$!

  • In reply to Artoo:

    The last time we signed an ex Ram lineman, it didn't turn out too well.

  • In reply to BigDaddy:

    I will try to post this comment for the 5th time. Hopefully the revamped site can do its job.

    Anyway lets read some tea leaves. Agreed Tice is good so is this a plan to work from.

    From left to right across the o line. Place the huge new TE Spaeth on left side. He's supposed to be a blocker so use him where you need him. Unconventional yes but so is Martz. Beside him go and get Matt Light or some other vet LT for a year or so. Beside him Webb at LG. Now the left side is big and strong able to protect Jay.

    At center Garza if Olin doesn't return. If he doesn't use his cash on LT FA.

    Right side. Williams at RG . Supports the center if Garza ends up being the man or platoon Garza here as well. Carimi at RT for a year or so to learn the position and NFL. Worse case he does well.

    This leaves Tice one year to develop one or more of those highly touted UDFA's for center or guard position and shift our strength to appropriate positions then.

    This in turn leaves cash for D. Assante Samuel.

    We have to improve because Detroit has as has the dreaded GB, and the league in general as well (philly, atlanta, even Carolina). We have to make a move and one that makes sense is Matt Light or some other stud OT to beef up the line and let our O have a chance and Samuel to build up the D.

  • I thought this quote from the Bleacher Report says it all.

    "They need to upgrade from a wooden fence to a wrought iron fence (if you understand my analogy.)"

  • the site sucks man.... 5 times I have tried to post only for it not to show up

    NICE UPGRADE GUYS

  • This just in, Corey Graham resigned.

    http://espn.go.com/chicago/nfl/story/_/id/6818601/source-corey-graham-expected-return-chicago-bears

  • Oh, and I think someone else said it, but Culter is not only more ripped this season, but does indeed sound different (he also seems to look a little older). Here's what he says.

    "I'm just gonna submerse myself in football and move on from there," Cutler said Friday from Bears training camp. "I'm still not over it. It's still ... I hate to think about it, and I hope the rest of the guys feel the same way. I hope we have a little chip on our shoulder going into this year because we were close. But we weren't close enough."

    http://espn.go.com/chicago/nfl/story/_/id/6816993/chicago-bears-quarterback-jay-cutler-submerse-football

  • Much as we love to pile on Angela, it's too early to grade a test that hasn't been completed yet.

    Target-wise, Cutler is set. I've always been a big fan of Kellen Davis. Hands, focus, size, and more focus. Roy is solid. I love Sam Hurd and think he'll surprise people more than Roy will. We couldn't match the Rams $3.7 for MSW which amazes me. But we can win a Lombardi with Hester and Bennett in the mix. Spaeth is no dummy, and at 6'7 ... you're always open. Given Forte, Taylor and Eddie Williams can catch it pretty well ... Cutler looks fairly well set. If all else fails and everyone is magically covered .. .he's one of the most mobile QBs in the game after Vince Young and Mike Vick.

    Jefe, you made no reference to Olin playing hurt all last season. Unfair methinks. I seem to be an army of few behind Olin at the moment, as I was an army of few behind Urlacher before last season. I rode Olin's case all last season, my bad - because, like most fans, I don't know shit, and speak without knowing all the facts. Obviously he couldn't say he was hurt last season, not in the macho world of the NFL .... but he was coming back from having a bone spur removed from his achilles, remember. He couldn't train properly, never had time to heal up. This time around, his off-site trainer said he's been pushing the 400lb sled - which he couldn't do all of last season. Now my feeling is that if you can't do the job properly, if you truly value the team, you fess up and say "I can't do you guys justice, I'm hurtin' here" But he didn't, and he played hurt. So be it. But he's not hurt now, and he's good to go. Everybody loved to pile onto Urlacher last pre-season saying he was done for. Not so. He was awesome. And neither is Olin done. Next year, maybe. But, firing on all cylinders, he'll be good to go for another season . No doubt he's looking for a contract that will take him to 38 or beyond and secure more cash for his family. Understandable.

    We've got guys on this roster that can play guard. Pick any two out of Asiata, Louis and Garza and there's your starters ready to go. There's plenty of time to pick up another guard in FA. Levi Horn is 6'7 and cannot be any worse than Webb or Omelette, we could slot him in - he's Tice's pet apparently. He is in favor with the king, so maybe there's our RT on the roster already. None of us knows about the younger guys and how they've progressed under Tice and away from the cameras. Chris Williams is always there, and he wasn't drafted in the first round for no reason. Having a first round pick to back you up at swing tackle isn't bad.

    Olin said he only picked up the phone this off-season to talk to Carimi. He didn't feel like he could pick it up and call the other guys and organize workouts, because he didn't know if he'd be a Bear or not. That's all on Angelo and we should have locked him up in the off-season and put everyone's mind at rest and we'd have a trained OL now. As Kreutz said himself, it's not about money, it's about fairness. He said he's "left a bunch of money on the table over the years to stay a Bear" and I believe that.

    Tackles and guards we have on the bench. Another Olin we do not.

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    what have you done with Irish!?!?!? You better untie him and get him back here ASAP whoever you are!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Hah! Don't worry mang. Angela will be caught with his knickers around his ankles and the chihuahua between his legs before long. Most notably if Kreutz moves the kids to the Bay.

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    Keep Kruetz only if they don't have a plan. I have a hard time giving a guy the "team leader" labor that headed up a shitty o-line for the last three years. C'mon think about it.

  • In reply to BigDaddy:

    Label, not labor.

  • Johnny, always start in an email mang. Then cut/paste into the blog.

    Matty, sorry to hear about your grandma mang,hopefully she's free now.

    Irish... what happened? Where was that post?

    Canada, funny… I was thinking about a similar analogy last night. I told myself the next time someone says that ‘we thought we’d be shit and we did fine last year’, I would throw out this…

    Last year was like going to the cluuub dressed like you’re going to the gym (or staying home), but by sheer luck the hottest chick in the bar who’s rebounding off a bad breakup and you just happen to be the dude next to her at the bar (it was the only open seat, not like you actually strategized to get the spot). Anyway, after hours of talking about ‘eeeeverythiiiing’ she asks if you can give her a ride home cause she’s ‘kinda drunk’. You’re actually shocked at this point because you (or any of your friends, family, or acquaintances) never expected to be talking the hottest chick in the bar home (and she’s ‘kinda druuuuunk’).

    So, you get her home and she attacks you… You get down to skivvies and every attempt to take off her bra gets blocked, so does any and all attempts to get your hand into panties. Things progress to the bedroom where you rub the underside your dick and nuts bleeding raw and then she says she better get some sleep and kicks you out.

    THAT was last fucking year. Doing what we’re doing this year is basically going back to that same club, with different, better shoes (instead of flip flops this time), expecting for the same thing to happen… and not only that… but expecting that THIS TIME, you’ll close the deal.

    Yeah, sounds like fun. No fucking thanks.

    Look guys it seems so easy to me... in the draft we should have gotten 3 olinemen and used the other 3 picks to get them. BJ, Franklin (florida), and Moffitt. Then in FA we should have gotten claybo or gaither, and Dahl, and another second tier guard like of on NY’s guys or sidlien from Cardinals. Then we could have picked up Stallworth and THEN go to the $.99 barrel for these other guys that we have picked up on the cheap. We came into this year (again) needing oline the most, and again the only thing we’ve done is got gifted BJ. Fuck man.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Friggin hilarious MB.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    hehehehehehehehehe

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