Not Another "End of an Era" Column: Bears Quit Kreutz

Not Another "End of an Era" Column: Bears Quit Kreutz

I don't know anything about Chris Spencer, last season's sixteen-game starter at center for the Seattle Seahawks and apparently the new starting center for the Chicago Bears.  Reviews are mixed, some are negative, but he's a professional center who'll prevent the Bears from having to line up Garza, Williams or some other member of Our Gang in the middle of the line.

Olin Kreutz provided intangibles, I understand that.  He was the leader of the huddle, leader of the locker room.  I've heard it described that he led the offensive linemen like a de facto mafia don.  And so yes, a particular era has ended with the Chicago Bears. 

But Olin Kreutz was not very good anymore and the offensive line he led was one of the worst in football.  If Kreutz were a don and the o-line were his family, one of the other units certainly would have had him whacked in the showers.  The NFL, with its strict salary cap, is not a league where teams can afford to enlist the services of an individual as a reward for longtime loyalty or to placate a fanbase that likes the guy more for what he's done off the field (the Fred Miller incident) than what he's done on it over the last four years.

The Bears organization never wanted Kreutz back.  If they did, he'd be back.  With no other teams making an offer to the former Pro Bowler, it wouldn't have taken more than a ten minute negotiation.  And if the entire teams wants him back so badly and only 500k separated player and team, where were all the offers of restructuring salaries we see across the league in these scenarios?

A planned change took place.  And its a change that opens the huddle to be led by the man who should lead it: the quarterback.  It's Cutler's offense now, make no mistake about it.

So will Chris Spencer be an improvement over Kreutz?  I don't know.  But I'm certain the middle of the line, lacking push and often toughness in 2010, will not be any worse.  This, to me, was not a move TO Spencer.  It was a move AWAY from Kreutz. 

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  • First. Also, I endorse everything Jeff said above.

  • Yup, Jeff definitely has put things in their proper perspective. Still, it's a strange feeling for me knowing that's the last of Olin...

  • I agree...
    I don't think anybody can say it much clearer or more truthful....
    if the organization wanted Kreutz back, he'd be back.
    end of story.

  • In reply to SoILBearsFan:

    Agreed. If they wanted him back, he would have been locked up before the lockout. So be it. So long and thanks for the fish.

  • Nobody that knows football should be surprised about this. Thanks for all the faithful years of service Olin. Spend some time with the wife and kids, you deserve it.

    p.s. Buy Gold.

  • In reply to BigDaddy:

    Maybe on the Gold, but at the very first sign of weakness, I'm going short....

  • In reply to BigDaddy:

    Yup. Gold EFTs would have doubled your money if you hedged in 2008. Why does nobody mention the Federal Reserve scam on tv? Obama is shill #1 for that bunch of crooks. Not even Ron Paul has the stones to bring it up on TV. I feel for you guys with what's going on over there. And the rest of the world will feel it shortly thereafter. I'll leave it alone with this :

    “If Americans ever allow banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks will deprive the people of all property until their children will wake up homeless”
    - Thomas Jefferson

    "Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes her laws."
    - Mayer Amschel Rothschild

    "It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning."
    -Henry Ford

    "Most Americans have no real understanding of the operation of the international money lenders. The accounts of the Federal Reserve System have never been audited. It operates outside the control of Congress and manipulates the credit of the United States" — Sen. Barry Goldwater (Rep. AR)

    "We have, in this country, one of the most corrupt institutions the world has ever known. I refer to the Federal Reserve Board. This evil institution has impoverished the people of the United States and has practically bankrupted our government. It has done this through the corrupt practices of the moneyed vultures who control it". — Congressman Louis T. McFadden in 1932 (Rep. Pa)

  • whole heartedly agree with JEFE. We must move on. Last season I saw Kruetz get blown on his ass numerous times.

  • I fuckin hate ChicagoNOW! how do these changes better our experience? it makes it worst.

  • They don't better your experience but believe me, I'm working on this.

  • In reply to Jeff Hughes:

    if its not to better our experience, then why all the bullshit changes?

  • Apparently it was to allow people to sink up chicagonow with their facebook pages. Who here as sinked up chicagonow with your facebook page? Anybody?

  • Yo Fres, re-doing the league. ESPN makes it to hard to change a draft time once it's originally set - everyone has to vote on a new time and that's just messy.
    password: sweetness

    7 spots left ....

    500 grand, it beggars belief. So long Olin, you'll be sorry when we win it all. Angela, kill yourself.

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    it’s a bit too late for me, since I’m 6hrs in front of u guys, So I’ll pass. But if there are other Europeans that want to join a league. We can create another one. I can join a live draft as late as 7 PM.

  • In reply to Norwegian Bear:

    Sorry Norske! I'll think of you with the next one brother. I'm actually 11 hours ahead of USA E.T. That time isn't even convenient for me since I normally go to bed about 5 in the morning. Or you can still hop in and order your auto-draft picks ....

    Maybe a 4 P.M one? There's a lot of folk who aren't in regular jobs etc. I'm sure.

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    Don’t be sorry, its all good =) 4.p.m is perfect for the next one

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    I'm in ......again.

  • this is kinda off topic but....
    is anybody goin' to Family Fest?
    shoutout to my sis for working at NorthShore!
    they got discounted tix!

  • I haven't watched Spencer play, so I will reserve judgement on the move until then. I do know Olin will be missed. He has always been a fan favorite and true Chicago Bear. Mahalo for the memories Olin! Job well done.

  • The interesting question, to me, is how much did they sign Spencer for? If it was more than Olin wanted, I'm not sure it was a good deal. This stinks of hometown bias. Just like Lovie and Angela with their Ram and Tampa has-beens. Granted, Spencer is younger, but with him being new to the Martz system, being the signal caller and all, I feel this as more of a long term fix than a short term fix. We were on the precipace last year. Are we better off this year with a (maybe) physically superior Spencer, or a (maybe) lesser player but better leader who knows the system like Kreutz? I'm inclined toward the latter.

  • In reply to Doc Nitty 34:

    I'm gonna have to trust the coaching staff on this one. No way this decision wasn't given alotta thought. Olin was personally responsible for two maybe three sacks up the middle against the G-Men last year.

  • See that, every once in a while you and I agree 100% jeff.

    Thanks for all the years olin. Time to enjoy being put out to pasture bra.

    Jeff, these things are first and foremost for NC staff to fix:

    1. No more lost data!!! Posts that don’t actually post, you get that ‘posting too fast’ message… which then deletes your post when you go back (I don’t have to tell you that lost customer data is a cardinal sin in software)

    2. Remember me for login… having to retype your entire email every time is brutal

    3. Live links

    The rest (like all the wasted space and gratuitous advertising) is liveable. Thanks.

  • In reply to MB30SD: reason I have not posted lately..damn hate the new system

  • Im sorry but for $500,000 i dont think anyone would NEED to restructure their contract.

    I understand it is a business decision and I know that Olin was well past his prime, but I still feel that one more season, with a shortened camp, Olin's understanding of the offense and leadership would have been worth it.

    I also think the way the Bears handled the entire situation was classless. The man gave the Bears a hometown discount on the last extension. He was on of the longest tenured Bears. He had started every game at center over the past 130 games and he was the enforcer on a team that while was once built on toughness and attitude, seems to be lacking that greatly on the offensive side of the ball.

    And what did they do? They lowballed him. They lowballed him because they didn't want him back but didn't want to just come out and say it.

    They wanted to go to the media, point at their offer and say they tried doing something but Olin was to strongheaded and he turned down their offer.

    Simple fact is, if Olin had asked for $4 mil, they would have offered 3.5. They should have just come out and said it from the start.

    Now, the locker room is still unhappy and Angelo is still an asshole. As a lifelong Bear fan, I am very disappointed at how the "braintrust" went about this.

  • Kruetz has sucked the past 2 years. He doesn't have the strength that he used to. He's been tossed around by any 3 technique worth of shit. Spencer has to be an upgrade. Olins locker room presence is overated

  • free mustache rides coach?

  • The locker room will be unhappy for 30 minutes. Then they'll move on. And I don't think it was classless. I think it was hardline.

  • In reply to Jeff Hughes:

    I think the locker room knew this was coming. It's business and letting a 35ish center go who has clearly declined over the past few seasons is nothing more than good business. I actually aplaud the organization for making this bold move. Just please sign some more lineman.

  • In reply to Jeff Hughes:

    I dont jeff, if they didnt want him back, why didnt they just come out and say they were going in a different direction from the start? Why lowball him? Why even make people think they had interest?

    The best thing would have been for jerry to come out at the beginning and say "we have decided to go a different direction at center. Olin has been a valuable asset to this team over the past decade and we would like to thank him for that and we wish him all the best in the future."

    Would that have been so hard? (The answer is no)

    Now instead of parting on good terms, everyone has a sour taste in their mouth. Its stupid and should have been handled better

  • In reply to Maxx:

    Because if they said "adios" they might have been more routinely criticized. They put an athlete in a position wherein he had to turn down reportedly $4M. It's a classic sports team move.

  • In reply to Jeff Hughes:

    It is a classic move, but that doesnt make it right. Man gave us alot if years, and its likely i feel this way cause i always have a hard time lettin the old guard go, but it just felt like the wrong way to go about it

  • In reply to Maxx:

    I sure don't consider 4 mil a year a lowball offer. I think maybe it was the 1 yr deal that soured him. Knowing its your last year and not getting what you think you're worth was too much for his pride. You know those Hawaiians are a proud bunch.

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    Somebody's always gotta go ethnic. I've never actually heard of hawaiian based racism.

    Just kidding Murph.

    But seriously, that's fucked up, man.

    No seriously, I'm just kidding.


  • In reply to Doc Nitty 34:

    nice doc. that made me lol. LOL!!!!!

  • Well put on the post Jefe. I won't cry into me bowl of lucky charms. It's bid-niz.

    Lofa Tatupu to be released by the Hags.

    In fairness to Olin, nobody seems to allow for the fact that he was playing hurt last season and he's back pushing the 400lb sled this time. No he shouldn't have been playing, but he was. That's football. He could have done a job for us this season. Too late, we move on.

  • I must agree Jeff.

    "Franchise" QBs lead their teams; with Olin on the roster, Jay's authority was less than it needs to be. And for all we know, Tice's too.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    Getting the over-the-hill "leader" out of the locker room was a fantastic move in my opinion. This is Jay's time to step up. I feel like he has the personality to be a leader, and he may have felt like he had to play second fiddle to the proven vets.

    It's like getting Ben Gordon off the Bulls... He leaves, and Rose realizes it's his team. Rose steps up and becomes the leader.

    Sadly, Cutler ain't no Rose.

    Since the Haynesworth move, his highlights have been all over ESPN... Watching him use Kreutz as a sack of potatoes with which to sack Cutler was my most memorable Kreutz moment of 2010. I think it was Albert's first decent play of the year, and of course, it comes against us... and of course, it makes our "leader" look like old balls.

    Regarding the above comment that mentioned we didn't want to sign Olin, etc... If the team didn't want him, I don't think they would have chopped $500k off his goal... He says yes to a discounted price, and we're stuck with a guy we have to start off of a grandfathered clause. I am glad he's gone, and I think the front office wanted him for a discount... I don't think they wanted to get rid of him and play some "well, we tried!" game. He wasn't worth four million last year. He won't get it this year.

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    Had something to add to this Willie but of course I got the old posting too fast bullshit, and I don't feel like doing it over again.

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    Damn it!

    Jimmy - fix. Now.

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    Willie you are DEAD WRONG about that Haynesworth sack. It was that bitch Chris Williams that he drove into Cutler. NOT Kruetz.

  • In reply to A7Xthebest:

    I have seen the CW bullshit... However, I can definitely recall a play where Kreutz gets pushed back into Cutler like 4 or 5 yds beyond the line of scrimmage... Not 10-15 like the youtube clip shows. More of a just bowled over, knocked on your ass, type of play rather than a push back 10 yards.

    Either way, love the guy as a Bear, just not as a Bear the last couple years... and love Kreutz much more than Williams, but they both can't hack it. They both caused tons of issues last year.

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    Maybe Cutler is a rose, Willie. Now is the first time in Chicago that he has a fair chance to prove it, so let's see what he does with it.

  • He was one career start behind Walter .....

    Kelvin Hayden?,0,779552.story

  • So pretty much all of Jay’s safety nets have been removed now:

    • His chick
    • His BFF
    • The line’s general

    It’s a sink or swim year for Jay gents. He takes us to the big show on strong play and he’ll be start being talked about as a top-10 QB. I just hope Jerry has (will) given him enough tools up front, and that tice can weave miracles.

  • Lowball? Fuck lowball.

    Bears opened with 1yr/3M. Kreutz countered with 5M.

    The Bears WENT to FOUR. 4 MILLION dollars for one year's work. You want lowball? You want a fuck you? Counter with 3.1M. That is fuck you.

    Kreutz said not a penny less than 4.5. Bears said fuck off.

    Now, when Olin's agent signs Harbaugh's offer sheet for 2.5M, he better bring some clean motherfucking rags, because he needs to wash Olin's car for a few hundred years.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Ha, Olin gets the benefit of the doubt, and this is just my opiniin, because he has been givin chicago the hometown discount before. The bears knew it. They knew what Olin wanted, and no matter what, they were gonna go lower because they didnt want him back. End of story.

  • In reply to Maxx:

    Maybe. But 1yr/4M for a center of his age and the way he played last year - that's a fair deal.

    I don't often take ownership side (as everyone here knows) but in this case, I think Olin's agent needed to talk some sense into him and didn't.

  • In reply to Maxx:

    Olin sucks now. It's a fact. Yes he gave us some great years but that is past tense. Maxx, I ask you this. If you were running a business and you had an employee not pulling his weight anymore would you let him go or would you offer him compensation to stay? It's a business and while the Bears have made really shitty business decisions over the years this is not one of them. Bring in youth and expel the age and underperformance. I understand where you are coming from, but Olin is a has-been. Why waste our cap space money on a guy who has not performed in at least 3 seasons.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Good points, all....

  • Six spots left ....

  • Chris Harris is tweeting some dissent right now. Players don't like that Olin got run.

    Harris really ought to sack up and be happy he's back. I appreciate that he is tough and played in the NFC championship game despite his injury.

    But you know what, Chris? Rodgers knew you were hurt, knew you were slow - and Jennings fucking owned you the first two drives (which put two TDs on the board) - so while I appreciate your hard nose approach to the game, I also want a safety that has a pair of wheels, and yours are getting a little rusty. And with Manning gone, and you up at SS, this will probably be your last year because you are going to either need to play the run strong or sit down.

    So stop tweeting about Olin, and get ready for pre-season. Jesus.!/ChrisHarrisNFL

  • In reply to gpldan:

    CH needs to STFU. No way I would have given up Jamar for that old geezer. A team needs to pull in the same direction. Was Olin that poor? Were his children not getting enough food? Jesus, what I'd give for $20K a year right now ....

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    2010 season statistics:

    Jamar Williams: 2 tackles, 0 interceptions.

    Chris Harris: 70 tackles, 5 interceptions.

    Cmon man. Get over it. Jamar had one 18 tackle game in his entire career and your chubby for him rivals that of Pringles himself. Chris Harris has had an above average career that quite honestly dwarfs that of Jamar. "Where do you get your information from, huh. Do you think that you can front when revelation comes? can't front on this..."

  • Gotta say that Julius Peppers is a Freak of Nature!! watching some of his highlights. Dude is HUGE!

  • are you new?

  • In reply to SoILBearsFan:

    no he isn't... you are though.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I think that's Southern Illinois Bear Fan MB. He's been around a long time. (Time is relative).

  • In reply to SoILBearsFan:

    It's me Fresno brotha. I been here since 2008. Cmon mang!

  • Jammal brown gone to redskins. we're running out of options for new hole fillers.

  • My feelings about letting Kreutz go are quite similar to how I felt about the Bears releasing Alex Brown. I was legitimately pissed off for a few months. Luckily, signing Julius Peppers aliviated most if not all of this disappointment. If the O-Line performs significantly better than it has with Kruetz under center, I'm sure I will lose any hard feeling over letting him go. If this goes the other way however, I think you['re gong to see a hit storm headed Angelo's way.

    I was just listening to Angelo on The Score explain his decision to let Kreutz go, and I have to say I'm not impressed. While he said he's making decisions that are good for the TEAM, he is having a hard time defending himself for letting the leader of the team go. If Jay Cutler steps up and can lead this group then great, but if he doesn't step up to the difficult challenge this is going to look terrible - perhaps even worse than last year. Angelo was getting testy at the end of the interview and seems to be sick of the obvious questions.

    While I am hoping these decisions turn out to be smart ones, I feel Jerry is taking a HUGE risk and the reward may not be worth it.

  • In reply to Shady:

    I believe what you may have witnessed was Jerry trying verrrry hard not to disrespect Kruezt by saying he couldn't meet the team level of play requirements anymore. They don't want him to lose a possible deal with SF. Very touchy subject Shady.

  • In reply to BigDaddy:

    The QB needs to be the leader - not the center - Olin probably acted like it was his team in the locker room, and it's not his team, it's Jay's.

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    That's what I've been thinking too. That and whether/how much Kreutz undermined Tice's authority.

  • All this talk about about "continuity" last year and how it matters more than actual TALENT. Such crap. I understand this is a business and there is a bottom line, but some of these moves are just cold. How would you feel if you're Matt Forte and the Bears give Marion Barber new paper? If I'm a player in that locker room how do you feel about taking a leadership role right now? Urlacher can't be comfortable right now.

    I think the team is pissed off and I'm not sure that's a good thing. If Lovie and Rod and Tice and Martz can't turn this negative energy in to something positive on the football field- the shit, in this case, would roll UP the hill back to JA.

  • In reply to Shady:

    No loyalty.

  • In reply to Shady:

    WTF? We should have Matt Forte on the roster and no-one else? Forte is under contract, Barber wasn't.

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    Yes because that's what I said. There are plenty of younger and cheaper options available at RB besides a pricy vet with serious wear on the treads.

  • In reply to Shady:

    Companies never have loyalty to employees; never have, never will. Nor should they. Companies exist for one reason, and one reason alone. To make money for their owners.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    Some used to, but not many these days. Unfortunately Management/Labor relations have seen better days.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    I learned a hard life lesson a few years ago. I've always been very loyal to my good employees. In hard times, I always took care of them, at my expense. You know what it got me? I was treated like a doormat. They took my kindness as a form of weakness and they tried to walk all over me. I don't blame them, because it's just human nature. Lesson learned on my part., partially. More work needs to be done to get everyone back to reality. Being a "good, generous" boss is not all it's cracked up to be. It just gets you taken advantage of. EVERY good employee who has left has regretted it afterwards because they never appreciated the benefits I gave them. I'm glad I've lost some of these employees, because I've been able to change the parameters of compensation. ALL of them call me later asking about coming back to work for me, and I never allow it. Lesson learned on their part.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    Well, you're a better man than most then.

    In my *opinion*, loyal employees in a loyal company happens best with shared ownership or at least some level of shared profit.

  • I can see Chicago Bears fans taking a liking to Marion Barber.

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    Yeah not behind our line right now, things are looking pretty scary. Chester Taylor sounded nice until he ran behind our off line and averaged [insert terrible statistic here] yards per carry.

  • In reply to Shady:

    GM's have to make unpopular moves in the locker room and with the fans and the Bears have had a tendency to wait too long before restocking the roster. Jerry should have addressed the line woes the year we traded for Cutty. I'm starting to become more of a realist when it comes to how Jerry has managed our talent. Jerry's biggest weakness is that he evaluates talent based on what it costs the team to get a player instead of how they perform on the field. I'm still pissed about the Hester experiment. The Manu and Taylor moves last year were either busts or wishful thinking because both of those moves have sucked up till now. Heck, Manu was released last week. Why go out and get Barber when we have Forte, Taylor, Unga, Bell and Williams. It just seems like there are always allot of wasted moves by this organization and it speaks to me of a total lack of vision.

  • In reply to BigDaddy:

    We've been calling on Jerry to take care of, or at least give some sort of effort into improving, the off line for at least the past 5 years. Unfortunately people are forgetting the crap job he's done for the safety position after we lost Brownie. Another rough ending... And transition...

  • In reply to Shady:

    On the other hand, Shady, there was no Mike Tice equivalent for the safeties so I have more hope. While making silk purses from sow's ears will always be impossible, I do expect Tice to start turning the young guys into better football players. This season must show improvement, as we are all well aware.

  • Per Brad Biggs' Twitter -

    Jerry Angelo calls it a "lie" there is potential rift between coaches, front office, labels it "dirty pool."

    Is this the 2nd or 3rd "dirty pool" comment from JA? What in the fuck does that not-yet-to-become-cliche cliche actually mean? I've played a lot of pool, and I'm not sure what could be dirty... Is he saying "dirty pool" like a public pool? Baby Ruth floaters?

    SOmeone please explain "dirty pool"... not the meaning, but... the derivation..

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    Haha I noticed that as well. Those are two words I don't like used together and yet he continues to use the phrase! What up with that?

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    Webster says term first coined in 1918 in the U.S. It suggests that the term really originally meant sandbagging, or hustling in pool.

    It seems to have morphed into meaning general dishonesty.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    So it has reached cliche status... for nearly a century.

    That JA, what an old soul. I bet he uses Dapper Dan pomade.

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:


  • In reply to gpldan:

    GP, who coined the phrase "coined the phrase"?

  • You know what, I disagree with the timing and you all know the reasons why Kreutz should have been signed and why the Bears also should have moved on.

    It's not like we had some serviceable line last year. They were the worst in the entire league so it can't get any worse. Now, with that being said, if Angelo doesn't get another 2 linemen to keep Jay safer and if Martz doesn't fun a balanced attack then the assbanging will begin.

  • Based on Tice's statements on, here's the projected line:

    To start:

    LT Omlette (in fairness, this is his best position. He sucks at guard)
    LG Cookie
    C Spencer
    RG Garza (who Tice will probably tap to call signals)
    RT Webb
    TE Spaeth

    I really would like to see us go get Edwards at this stage. A lineup in redzone with Roy and Braylon gives a lot of jumpball options.

    In middle of the field, put Knox in to stretch the field, maybe rotate Hester in while having Earl in the slot.

    UngaBunga at FB, and maybe we can actually score at the 1 yard line.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    The Bear Jew is going to have to play Omlette out of the starting lineup. I don't think Tice will bend to pressure from anyone to rush him in there.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Carimi has the job. Carimi knows it, Tice knows it and so does Omlette. If he doesn't, we're in deep doo doo.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Excellent idea with fitting in Edwards, but I'd only give it a slim to none chance of actually happening.

  • In reply to Shady:

    The Eagles have a made a statement. That statement is "this is our year". Asomunga. DR-Cromartie. Jason Babin. Cullen Jenkins. Their nickel back could be Samuel! (Samuel may not get signed, and would make a lovely Bear)

    Three shutdown/island corners on the field at the same time? Can you say blitz?

    Eagles are making a play. Packers are set.

    If we want to go for it, we need Edwards and we have the money.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    That's the worst fucking line I've ever imagined. Cutler is dead with line.

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    Should be :

    LT Levi Horn/Chris Williams
    LG Louis
    C Spencer
    RG Garza/Asiata
    RT Carimi

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    Asiata. Ha.

  • This idiotic thought process by Angelo is a sad indication that no new FA linemen are coming in. They are actually going to stay with this bunch of talentless fuckbags.

    ___On if he’s comfortable with the competition on the offensive line or if he’ll try to sign more veterans:

    “Hey, it’s tough. These offensive linemen are tough to find. We’ve got a good nucleus of young guys with traits that we look for, but they’ve got to come together. We just can’t run up and down the starting line, get a guy with a few games under his belt with NFL experience and think that’s the answer. They’ve got to come together. We like our young players. We need to start developing our young players. How are you going to develop them if you don’t play them? And if you don’t play them, how do they know you believe in them? So it’s a Catch-22. We brought in an experienced center that is still in the prime of his career. It’s the best we could do. That’s all we could do. Everybody has an opinion; they need this, they need that. Well, tell me who you want. Who should we look at? Give me names. Don’t tell me about our problems; give me solutions. I’m in the solution business. You guys do a great job of identifying our problems. How about a few solutions?"

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    no Jerry, you incredible jackass, it's your job to find the solutions if you're in the solution business like you say. EVERYONE can see the problems. You should be able to see the problems. FUCKING FIX THE PROBLEMS.

    What a gay comment.

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    I was angry when I first heard that. It's even sillier now after I've just read it. Apparently he doesn't read Da Blog.

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    Flabbergasting... what a tool.

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    And a reporter shouted out "Kreutz" and he was right. I think a lot of people don't get that Kreutz would have been a lot better this year than he was last year for the reasons already stressed over the last couple of threads. Is Spencer in a position to make our calls this year - no. It's impossible. How does that benefit us? How does that stop Cutty getting murdered? We don't have a left tackle, we're probably short a decentguard, and the captain of the offensive line is gone. That line is fucked no matter what way you color it. Worse than last year.

  • It's been a crazy ass week. But in 2 years, when all the shit is sorted - the WORST contract of pre-season 2011 will go to the Cards. Easily.

    Gave up a 2nd rounder AND DR-Cromartie to the Eagles for Kevin freakin Kolb. THEN - signed him to 5 years $65M with a $22M guarantee up front.

    In 2 years, when that guy is playing like Derek Anderson redux, that contract should bury somebody in Arizona's front office. Holy bag of dicks.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    That one didn't make sense to me either. Looks like they just wanted to get rid of Cromartie's heavy contract. They were tired of having to cut so many child support checks every week too.

  • In reply to BigDaddy:

    I think it's the Jets Antonio Cromartie that has his wick in all those baby-mamas. DR is a different guy.

  • Lofa Tatupu anyone?

  • In reply to Shady:

    Here's my deal with La-la-la-la-Lofu.

    He's a natural MLB and play caller. He's great insurance against Child Support getting hurt again, but he won't displace anyone at OLB and he's expensive. If you see this being Child Support's last effective year, then fine. If not, I don't think Lofu wants to play for Taub.

    I've long advocated Lack going to OLB, which is actually where he was drafted to play. But he won't, and has developed value in his ability to drop back and use his height and vertical to take away the flat. And Lovie loves that. Maranelli loves that.

    So I would pass on Lofu and put together a bid sheet on Edwards. Edwards is an ass clown, but he's a Wolverine and can play the cold and rainy Soldier Field.

  • In reply to Shady:


  • CedBen and the Bungles have a contract. $2M with another 3 in incentives.

    I know you guys will be thrilled.

  • I have always liked Olin, and this situation has been on my mind all week. But I gotta agree with JA on this one, and that's a first. Olin or his douchebag agent thumbed $4M! Seriously? That is NOT a lowball chump change offer. We can't get worse at O line can we? No more Cowgirls please.

  • In reply to GuinnessPlease:

    We did get worse, a lot worse, look at the losers they're starting, lokk how bad that line is. I'm actually feeling Haugh today :,0,3476614.column

    Cutler's dead if they actually started that line.

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    I think Haugh, et al, should see what Spencer can and cannot do first. I have little doubt that he can in any way be a downgrade from Kreutz.

    Everyone talks about Kreutz calling plays for the line, but really, *how effective was that*? Do many of you really think there was a lot of value there, seeing how badly the line played?

  • I've been calling for Kreutz to hang it up for a couple years now. Sure, he was banged up, but he had to know that he had lost a step, and it was costing the team. If he was such a vaunted "warrior," he should've done something else.

    Sadly, even a guy like Kreutz isn't a "warrior" anymore. He, like everyone else in the league, is a businessman. His business is his position. And like any businessman, he wanted to keep his job and earn his paycheck for as long as possible.

    It feels weird to type that--because Kreutz is a throwback-y type guy, a football player from the 1930s, or even earlier--the murderball days. But in the end, he and the Bears knew what was going to happen. I'd bet the Bears would've signed Spencer even if Kreutz had re-signed for the $4 mil. The fact that Olin was potentially still an option gave the Bears a bit of leverage with any FA they negotiated with, and in the end both sides knew that if the Bears didn't get Olin at $4 mil, they'd still have options.,0,6185540.story

    Olin went out with a ton of class, though. For a guy who busted a teammate's jaw, he certainly kept his cool. I'd really like to see Kreutz in a TV studio, or in a broadcast booth.

    Hell, put him across from that pretty-boy idiot Schlereth, and watch the pretty-boy shut his stupid face every time he tries to get all manly.

  • It’s the best we could do.

    MB: I believe that wholeheartedly Jerry. The garbage you pedal as GM moves are indeed the best YOU can do you fuckstick. You should shoot yourself in the head tonight you fucking useless sack of crap.

    That’s all we could do.

    MB: No, that isn’t. Most of us on this here blog have suggested multiple moves that would not only have been plausible with our cap situation, but that would have been easy to pull off and been successful. You are just a fucking pathetic excuse for a fucking football GM.

    Everybody has an opinion; they need this, they need that. Well, tell me who you want. Who should we look at? Give me names.

    MB: How about this you complete fuckbag…. Claybo, Dahl, Colledge, bushrod, brown, goodwin, nicks, and now ryan harris who is STILL very available… and then Floyd, b.edwards and/or Stallworth all on the cheap. How’s that for 2 seconds of looking at a fucking published list that you’ve had access to since the last second of the last game of last season. You’ve been able to study it, learn it, memorize it, watch week’s-worth of tape and read reams of scouting reports on each and every man listed… and then had enough time to think and talk long and hard about which of them would fit our scheme and locker room best… and you’d still have too much time to then do all the math needed to workout out the best possible fiscal configuration to get us the best people from that list and still be under cap.

    You would, after 4 years straight, fix our worst in the league oline you absolute fucking philistine. Pelic. Fucking false prophet. You are worthless. Useless. And just plain fucking terrible at your job you immense shitshow. Quit. Save your family’s name… retain an ounce of pride for the sake of your ancestors and go home to a .38 in the head tonight. I'm sure you're a good guy to someone, but you're a fucking cancer to this once great football team. And you need to leave so it can flurish once again.

    Don’t tell me about our problems; give me solutions. I’m in the solution business. You guys do a great job of identifying our problems. How about a few solutions?"

    MB: it’s the press’ job to give you fucking solutions to fix our team? The fan’s job? Please give me your salary for one year and all of the resources at your displosal and I will guaran-fucking-tee you I do a MUCH better motherfucking job than you, you idiotic buffoon.

    How the fuck is that not your job??????? Fucking how????? YOU are supposed to be the fucking solutions guy for our team… fucking giuseppe conte is your solution to our problems jerry? Vgholston is? Are you fucking serious jerry?

    You are worthless and you do not deserve this vaunted job that every single man on this blog (and many other bears blogs) would die to have for just a year, a month, a week. And you continue to disgrace us and this team's history and tradition with your absolute lack of any kind of intelligent, strategic plan or vision. You are a worthless man. Please, if you can’t muster up the courage to quit, at least smother yourself in your Jacuzzi tonight.

    I am speechless at that quote (well, I guess philosophically at least). I had not heard it until now and it disgusts me to my very core… it makes me very sad for the short and long-term prospects of my beloved bears. Melodramatic? Maybe, but talk to me when cutty and then haine go down and our last chance for a SB shot for the next few years goes down the drain because jerry couldn’t see the glaringly obvious single, enormous problem with this squad and fix it with the perfect mix of available options and plenty of cash.

    Jesus. H. Christopher.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I wish you could fuckn tell him that to his stupid fuckn face....
    maybe then he'll get a knife or a fuckn pistol and jus fuckn end it already.

    Jerry Angelo is a CUNT.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    MB, flurish is spelled flourish. Just kidding. Great rant. I want some O-lineman with actual skills.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    damn you corm!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Deep breaths MB, you are scaring the shit out of me and the rest of the bloggers....

  • btw, olin considering retiring now... fuck man, he should have taken the $4 and run all the way to the bank to retire a bear $2.somthing million (net) richer next year. Pride's a bitch.

    3rd one down:

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    We say 'pride goes before a fall' ....

    That was the first poker hand I've seen where nobody won the pot, except maybe the Packers or the Lions ...


  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Olin is going to be one depressed dude when this all sinks in that it's over. Should of taken the 4 mil and done his job. It doesn't help that Angelo is a tool.

  • Epic rant. I'm pretty sure you crossed the line a few times but still awesome.

  • Well said MB. Well said brotha

  • Time for the nightly recap:

    Haynesworth and Harris in the middle of a 4-3. Could have been us last year, but it could also be a massive bust. If Bellichek can make this work for the Pats, a lot of Bears and Skins fans are going to be ticked off.

    Olin thinking retirement.

    Jeff makes a good case. I have only one point of disagreement. The Bears have made one O-line signing since the Olin mess started... that signing was to replace Kruetz. That means we are still 2 signings away from anyone feeling really comfortable. If we had kept Olin and spent the energy on getting a guard today, we'd be in better shape. If Angelo can get it all done, well that'd be wonderful.

    Matt Light Agrees to 2 years with the Giants

    That pretty much eliminates the possibility of spending big on a left tackle. We can bring in more help at the position, but nobody's gonna get a big contract.

    Wish List:

    - Shawn Andrews (Tackle - NYG). Best tackle still available.
    - Antonio Rogers Cromartie (CB - NYJ). We do not need him, per se, but this guy would instantly upgrade our secondary. Plus, the market does not appear to be inflated for him. This might be our last best chance to make a splash in FA.
    - One more solid veteran at Guard
    - An outside linebacker.

    Don't know who can step in on those last two, but there are guys on the market.

    DBB Fantasy League

    Looking forward. Irish, how do I preset my draft picks in case the kids make me late?

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    Hey NewBear, just log gin and click on 'My Team'. Then you'l see two links:

    Edit Pre-Draft Player Rankings
    Edit Autopick Strategy

    In the first one you can reorder players where you think they should be in ter,s of value, or just leave them as is.

    In Autopick, you can select what position should be drafted in each round, and the max number of players for each position. Even if you don't make the draft you'll get your team - but setting the order in which positions get picked is pretty important i.e. set the kicker to last and make sure only one kicker can be drafted etc.

    One spot open !

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    Dyslexic or what .... "reorder players where you think they should be in *order* of value" ....

  • Amen MB


    What a joke, Butkus at 7! Behind Singletary! Sweetness at 26 !

  • Thi sounds like Angelo is 'motivated' to do absolutely Sweet Fanny Adams :,0,7956800.story

  • Good luck, Brandon.,0,3435299.story

  • @SC thanks for posting the link. The wife mentioned it to me this morning (she works in the mental health field), and after reading the article, I gotta say that Marshall is well on his way to improving himself and his life (i.e., just getting up & doing that press conference is a HUGE stride).

    For whatever reason, we always seem to expect our sports stars to be supermen, and so often we look at any flaws they have as weaknesses. Guys like Marshall are the real supermen--admitting flaws so publicly, and then soldiering on in a very demanding profession.

    I didn't have any strong feelings for Marshall before this, and even had he just come out with a statement through his publicist, I still probably wouldn't think too much of it, but the way he conducted himself, and the direction he is going (and hopefully will keep going): well, he made me a huge fan.

    Seriously, guys, this is only one notch below Brian Piccolo. The wife told me that BPD (via suicides) has a higher mortality rate than many types of cancer.

  • that took a lot of courage to stand up in front of everyone and do that press conference. I hope it works out for him. I actually felt the sincerity through the screen.

  • Many of those suicides are directly attributable to Prozac, sadly.

    I was reticent to say anything about it when I first saw the article today, so I let it slide, this is a football blog and there's plenty of football stuff to talk about again. But it gets brought up and I suppose a switch flipped in my head. So I'm not having a go at Brandon, but it touches on a very touchy subject. Now here's where I lose people, but it's something I feel strongly about.

    I'm not having a go at Brandon Marshall. Let's get that straight - I'm not really talking about the guy I always wanted as our wideout. Maybe he is bipolar, maybe he isn't. I don't know him. But it's easy to diagnose someone as bipolar. I'd like to ask him for how many years he's wanted to blow his brains out exactly, but that's another deal altogether. All I know about gun control is that I'm glad it's very strict in my country or I would have exited stage left twenty years ago.

    The legitimizing of various behaviours by attributing a 'disease' to them is a new and specifically American phenomenon. Doctors are nothing but drug pushers a lot of the time - it's a by-product of corporate culture, a culture gone pharmaceutical-crazy. Hear a problem and throw drugs at it. Manic Depression/Bi-polar whatever the label, is a very complex thing that is not rectified by pills, if it's ever rectified. Sometimes the difference between the guy on the street corner and the guy sitting in his surgery in his Armani and the BMW parked outside is not that great, that's all.

    My initial feeling was that this could be used as an excuse for past indiscretions if one is courting a new team ... and your name is Brandon Marshall. "Oh, he did all that crazy shit because he was bi-polar ...." - wrong. Being bipolar doesn't excuse abuse and assault et cetera whatsoever, it's not even a mitigating factor. You don't hit people because you're bipolar, you hit people because you've got other issues going on. It's very easy to get diagnosed with whatever suits your fancy. Kids aren't 'stupid' anymore, they're diagnosed as ADD or name-whatever-your-poison, to make their parents feel better and validated. Sorry, but that's bullshit. There ARE stupid kids out here. There just are. There are really smart kids, and there are kids in between. There's an IQ curve, and guess what, some kids are at the lower end of it. Doctors are doping a nation of kids up with ritalin and it's disgusting. Anyone who goes to the doctor suffering from 'the blues' or 'feeling down' is diagnosed bipolar after a five minute consultation and issued anti-depressants - these are drugs that have proven to make people suicidal! It's insane.

    There was a big hullabaloo when the death of amy Winehouse coined the catch-phrase the '27' club. Now there were enough musicians to have a little club. It was all so tragic, and "poor Amy" ... bullshit ... there was nothing tragic about a millionaire wanting to continue to do blow, crack and heroin in that fashion, turning up so blasted she could only slur her way through songs. "Oh but she was sick, she had a disease .. it was terrible ...she had no control over it..."

    Exactly ! When you have no control over it ... MAYBE IT'S TIME TO STOP DOING IT!

    We choose to do the things we do. I'm bipolar. I choose not to kill myself. I choose how to deal with my feelings, and I sure as hell never blocked out those feelings with the pills they push. Your feelings are there for a reason, they tell you things, they tell you what you need to sort out. I'm an alcoholic and an addict. So I stopped drinking and I stopped doing drugs, because I have no control over them when I do them. They control me. It's that simple. It's a choice. We can't choose how we feel, but we choose the things we do.

    Now sign the dude.

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    Much of what you wrote occurred to me, and so when I posted the link I tried to avoid commentary. Especially since I just don't understand, as so far as I know the only condition I have beside old eyes is CRS*.

    Whether or not what Brandon has is "real" in the end is not relevant - what matters is the result. Just like with you, Irish. You made the right choices - you willed yourself to victory and I salute you for it.

    And though I know him far less than you, I hope Brandon will do the same.

    * Can't Remember Shit.

  • This offseason is just getting started. There are 37 guys from each team that will be released before the pre-season ends. Some teams will have to cut guys that they would love to retain. In the meantime, Tice will be working the young guys on our line to see if they have taken the next step (E. Williams, L. Louis, L. Horn, C. Williams). If he is not convinced of their fitness, they'll be gone (as I expect the case for Omiyale.)

    You can't groom young O-Line talent and play veterans simultaneously this year, so the signing of V o-lineman will only come if the young guys fail to perform.

    We are a better football team today than we were at the end of last year.

    JA has done a fantastic job pulling this off.

  • Yah I agree with Viva here. I am really stoked for this season.

    I would still like another addition, a good guard; but I am about as pleased with the changes as I can be. I mean new center in Spencer, new Tackle at one side or both with Carimi. So you have at least 40% change of the offensive line from last year, plus Edwin or Asiata could beat out Chris Williams and they may flop Webb to the LT giving you Garza as the only returning player at the position he played last year. That means 40 - 80% changes on the Oline. Id say they saw it as an issue. Plus the fact that chemistry can have a lot to do with it as well. I hope we will all be pleasantly surprised with our Oline play this year.

  • Well I read the first 10-20 comments, does everybody have to have a love fest on Jeff because of his post or what. I agree Olin is not the player he once was, but with the short time frame to prepare for the season and what I read was a draft dud as his replacement, they should have signed him and Spencer and let Mike Tice decide who would win the job. The way it appeared to go down and seeing JA's angry reaction in the press conference seems like the front office was a little scummy on how they handled it. It has already been talked about but, roy williams, no, the guy has the number one and number three stats for the last three years, most drops and most missed percentage when targeted. You think Olin K is going to put up with that touchdown, won the super bowl, first down signal that RW does, no, OK is going to puch that fucker in the mouth. I'm pesimistic about three or four of these moves, but I might like the Marion Barber choice.

    Its the wait and see game right now.

  • In reply to shonbear:

    I don't think Spencer is necessarily a draft dud. Unger was a stud center in college he was drafted to be the future center at some point for the value they got him at. If we had Unger Kreutz would be gone that way too. Also, they will have a new QB this year in Seattle, what better time to insert your new Center than with your new QB? Everything just fell into place where Seattle really didn't need Spencer anymore. He is a 5 year starter in the NFL, playing Center isn't that different between teams, I am pretty sure he'll be fine.
    Plus, Kreutz said it wasn't the money... he wasn't given long enough to decide apparently. And the 500k shortfall wasn't even a real number because now noone is taking him and he will retire. The Bears weren't going to be held ransom by any player especially one with barely a year left in the tank. Kreutz is the one right now with egg on his face.

  • In reply to shonbear:

    If we signed both Spencer and Kreutz... Kreutz starts. I can't see the Bears paying to keep Kreutz and then not starting him, regardless of effectiveness.

    Up until last year, draft status and pay scale determined playing time. Finally, we found some accountability.

    We wouldn't pay the guy and then bench him... Easier to try and get him for what he's worth (even a tad more if you ask me.. I say he's worth $3M) or let him "retire". Everyone saves face. He goes out as a starter for the Bears, not a guy who lost his job due to old legs.

  • Tried posting this yesterday but I was too fast. Yeah, right. Olin was my favorite Bear but he was past his expiration date. $4 mil/year was a good offer. If he doesn't retire there's no way he gets that much from any other team. Numb Nuts is fucking horrible and I can't believe your post Viva. I like some of his signings but we've had the worst OL for 3-4 years. If Olin had taken the offer it would be status quo with the addition of a 1st round pick.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    We have had a bad Oline for 2-3 years but he hasn't completely ignored it.... the previous 5 years yes... catching up with him now? Yes. But they have taken a LT in the first round what 2 out the last 3 drafts where they have had a 1st round pick.

    You can't fix your whole team in an offseason, you make choices, 2 years ago when we needed the Oline fix they draft Williams and sign Pace, but they trade away a lot to upgrade the QB position, then last year they blow the wad on Peppers, this year, they go spend another 1st on a LT and there isn't a lot of great guards on the market and they have Mattys extension to deal with. I don't like Angelo either but you can't expect anyone to solve every problem every offseason.

  • In reply to Urlacher FTW:

    That sounds like an Angelo-defense. If you draft correctly, like the Patriots, and look for value in FA, then you don't have problems. And the jury is not yet closed on the Cutler trade and the move for Peppers. Where are we with the O-line with Orton here and two first round picks and a third? We'd also be short Johnny Knox, which mightn't be a bad thing. We haven't even been building for the future, it's mortgaging the future in fact. Angelo sucks in the bottom 55 of the NFL and that's not even debatable. We are center-less basically for this season.

  • In reply to Urlacher FTW:

    Yes Numb Nuts has 2 first round picks at OL. So far Cookie sucks Moose Wang. Nice pick Numb Nuts. AND that his specialty. If ever there was a time to fix the OL it was this FA period. There were some good OL out there and Numb Nuts didn't sign any of them. We were $37-$45 mil under the cap (depending on whose numbers you believe), the most in the NFC North by a mile. Surely that's enough money and room to improve the OL.

  • MB, I agree with everything you posted except the suicide part. I think losing his job would be enough. One part of the team had glaring problems and kept us from going to the SB. Does Numb Nuts fix it? Fuck no. Then he gets all pissy with the media.

    Lots of posters hate on Lovie and give Numb Nuts a pass. Give Lovie credit for winning as many games as he has considering Numb Nuts is the GM.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    I know canada, that was just for entertainment value and a bit of dramatic flair... I would never actually want the guy (or anyone) to off demselfs.

    Maybe just an hour of slapping himself in the face as hard as possible.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Yeah, I know. You and I both hate Numb Nuts but that was a little over the top. Just a little.

  • in the last half of the season we found ways to brush the terrible line under the carpet a little by running the ball more, using quick drops, etc but I'm afraid with the addition of Spaeth that Martz will feel like he can revert back to the 7 step when it should pretty much be put on the shelf. We have to move the pocket this year to keep Cutler alive.

    Martz needs to be monitored closely and kept on a short leash regarding run/pass ratio. We have new toys to throw to but can't forget how much easier the victories came when we were balanced.


  • Found this sacks allowed chart on the interwebs:

    So why are people enamored with Clabo when he gave up as many sacks as omelette and didn't even give his QB as much time?

  • In reply to Urlacher FTW:

    Nice find ftw.

    fucking manamoofa right up there with the guards and tackles... pathetic. Jesus, what a bust he turned out to be... and he was actually good on the chargers.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    it was a nice little undisclosed knee surgery that did him in. he had a second one this offseason. that is why he showed even fatter and more out of shape than before.

    His level of play increased from start to finish last year but when a guy that big has a knee problem it will never get better. Spaeth will be a huge upgrade but Kellen Davis had better step up because it's on him. He's an even worse blocker than Olsen.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Tyler - time for skinny potatoes!
    Harley - Tyler that's not a potato...that's a grenade
    Tyler - oh

  • I agree with gpldan. The Bears (inexplicably) met Olin half way. If I were the Bears GM or head coach, I'd have kept Olin but paid him the highest yearly salary for a offensive line reserve. They kept Olin two seasons too long. They tried in the past to groom a replacement in Beekman, but that didn't work out. Then they simply got lost in rebuilding the O-line. All in all, it goes to show that Angelo can't build a team. He's been abysmal in the draft, with a few notable exceptions (Knox, Hester, Forte). But you can't build a team without grooming replacements. And you can't waste draft picks the way the Bears have for years.

  • In reply to jazzkj:

    Knox? You mean as a kick returner, right?

  • So now that the Pats are switching back to a 4-3, what will happen to the trend in the NFL?

  • very nicely put:

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Yup. A beat writer that actually has a brain. Good. post

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I liked this comment underneath :

    "This is one time that Dan Bernstein has it absolutely right.
    Blind Squirrel, meet Acorn."

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Thanks for posting. This article is right on the money.

  • I have to say that this whole free agency period hasn't left me feeling real good about the leadership at Halas Hall. I've never liked Angelo, but I always hoped he did well for the benefit of the Bears. This, combined with Olsen and the half assed players we've signed so far, has left me with a bad feeling. I hope I'm wrong. I came into this a few weeks ago really excited to have the Bears back and excited about who they would sign. I never figured Olsen would be gone, and I thought Kreutz was a given. I'm not saying the team falls apart without them, but is this team better than last year baed on the moves we've seen?

  • In reply to whatwouldditkado:

    Olsen was an overhyped Bum. We never should have had to rely on our TE to be our leading TD receiver in the first place.

  • In reply to BigDaddy:

    Olsen is not a bum. Not many wideouts can play the wingback or slotback position and line up at FB. He's not a good FB, but he turned the Cowboys game around lining up at WB and running the post for a TD.

    The Panthers will make use of him down there, with Jacamus Newtonian Russell throwing to him.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Yeah, I'd hardly call Olsen a bum, just not a tough hard-nosed ball-player. His numbers go down at Carolina if anything - arunning team with a rookie QB, and Jeremy Shockey.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    To put my comments into context, I'll just say this. Olsen was portrayed as a the key to our offense and it just wasn't so. He never did anything that allowed our offense to light up the scoreboard and for most of his career with the Bears he was a liability in pass protection and run blocking. To me, he was a bum because he was a square peg in a round hole.

  • In reply to whatwouldditkado:

    We're going to see more of Kellen - so we'll get more production at TE. We have actual receivers now, so more production, fewer interceptions there ... we have more choice at DT ... so we have improved IF the clusterfuck at OL magically comes together ....

  • FEAR BONERS!!!!!!!

    -During the special teams period, the Bears worked on bringing out deep kickoffs. Something they’ll give Devin Hester more freedom to do according to special teams coordinator, Dave Toub.

  • Yeah, that was spot on.

    And don't be shocked to see Pringles win the SS spot with the rook over the top. Harris may get to know Dave Taub pretty well.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Whats with all of the Harris hate on this blog? Did you watch the games last year? He had a pretty fucking good year and he played out of position. Give the guy a fucking break, dude.

  • FWIW, Carolina is going to release Jamar Williams. His injury was to his spinal cord, and I don't think he will be invited to anybody's camp, but maybe the Bears will give him a call.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Spinal cord? Consider him signed .....

    And I agree GP, I'd like to see a Pringles / Conte backfield, spelled by CH.

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    you'd like to see a rookie start at FS and move our free safety to strong safety? This is not a video game. I want that weed, i want what you are smoking mang, that is crazy.

    How about proven SS in Harris and FS in 2nd year player Wright spelled by Rookie who had his first practice as a bear 2 days ago.

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    Conte? Serious? I see this statement as one of those shot in the dark statements that everybody will forget UNLESS Conte ends up being good, in which case you'll be sure and remind us. What do you know that we don't? Oh yeah, Chris Harris fucked your mom in some previous life. I forgot that.

  • In reply to Doc Nitty 34:

    Never saw the dude play, but I read good stuff about Conte from coaches (not on the bears). And CH is bound to get banged up at some point during the season - he just isn't good in pass coverage, everybody must see that? He can hit, sure ... but look who's on the bench - it doesn't take a huge leap to see that if CH is out of the equation then our starting safeties will be Conte and Pringles. Steltz Bomber? Jeremy Bollocks? Nah.

    I certanly don't expect Conte to start week one. Anyway, I can just say I was drinking or had an episode, or just claim I don't remember saying it (which will be true at that point).
    Multiple. Concussions. CRS.

    Okay, I have to share this, I wrote that about Pringles after seeing this:

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    What exactly did Pringles do last year to make you think he's better than Harris? He was not on the field for 1interception or fumble recovery, and he got hurt twice.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    spinal cord? damn that sucks for the kid.

  • I kinda want a copy of Madden 12, just to see what Tommie Harris' initial stats are. He probably gets a 10% round up for just being on the Patties.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    It would be great if Madden could code the butter factor into Tommie. His stats drop by 40% once the temp hits 80 degrees. They go up 30% if the temp is below freezing.

  • Let me make another dramatic comment. Peanut could be a liability on our team this year. Look around boys, our division ain't getting any easier and last year Peanuts age started to show. He has been arguably referred to our best corner on the team and we are very weak at corner. Green Bay will be the team to beat this year and I'm not as confident in our secondary as I would like to be.

  • In reply to BigDaddy:

    I have high hopes for Josh Moore,Bowman, and Graham.

    They will be duking it out.

  • In reply to Artoo:

    The Bowman bandwagon left the station without me on it. I've seen Graham get lit too many times, mostly by guys like James Jones.

    I mean, what is Nathan Vasher up to? Texans still like him?

    I agree that Peanut and Jennings is nobody's idea of shutdown corners.

  • In reply to BigDaddy:

    we got any coin left for Samuel???

    wait, i fell into the Angelo trap again. OL OL OL OL OL OL OL OL. okay i'm better.

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    Samuel has dropped the "H" word on the Eagles.

    There may be a play there. I would rather spend our coin on Samuel than Tatufu.

  • In reply to BigDaddy:

    Secondaries always look a lot better with a strong pass rush. Hopefully we'll see one.


    i had a dream about his two nights ago. I think the dream ended up with Rodgers lying face down on the 25yard line and his arm at the 27.

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    Is it too late to send Gholston packing?

    I see Gholston as another Gaines Adams, one of these stupid fantasies that Maranelli has to create another Simeon Rice.

    I'd love to ditch that idea for a proven rusher like Umenyiora.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I was thinking the exact same thing GP, but didn't want to be the same to bring up the tragically deceased since I've been spending all my hate-capital on Jerry and don't want to be a total asshole (too late viva?).

    I'd much rather have Osi than gallstone. When a guy feels like his team is fucking him he doesn't play up to his potential. Think pep and carolina. I'd love to have Osi and think he'd be a freakin beast... AFTER we get Harris and nicks of course.. right Jerry?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    The worst thing about the speed rusher fantasy is that the Bears have possibly the worst turf in the NFL for that guy.

    Everyone wants the next Jevon Kerse or Elvis Dumeravil. It's why we held onto Mark Anderson for two more years than needed.

    Those guys have breakthrough years and then they get schemed and shutdown. It's a gimmick not a plan. And nobody in Bears coaching should even be thinking about speed rushers. Didn't Alex Brown put that argument to bed?

  • In reply to gpldan:

    What's the matter with Izzy, ya'll? The guy is a player I think. Don't you think with another year on the edge to learn the position he'll just get better?

  • I see an unfortunate trend happening with our Bears.

    I call it the "Ginny Memorial Home for Semi-brokedown retreads and vets". Apologies to Roger Waters and the Final Cut for that.

    Roy is reminding me of Marty Booker's homecoming. Spencer is a car with some suspension issues. Nobody sees Chicago as the place to be. Guys like Samuel and Umenyiora probably wouldn't touch Chicago unless they had to. It may even be hard to land a malcontent like Edwards or Ocho, who still THINK they are A-list.

    Only guys who know this is their last shot in the NFL seem to want to come to Chicago. And I attribute this to the McCaskey family.

    People are saying Goodell nearly killed the goose with his hubris, and it was Kraft who saved football in 2011. Can anyone imagine saying that about a McCaskey? Or is Ditka's adage about nickels and manhole covers still true? Does Peppers make it untrue?

    Spencer and Roy Williams are not answers. They are plugs. Spaeth is a plug. I want to see somebody get signed that makes a "win now" statement. Because this is the last year for Child Support and Lambo Driver. And then we lose two probowl LBs and then we are truly rebuilding because Pep will be into his 30s and sliding in 2012.

    Win now. We made it to the NFC dance against a way better team. Go get Edwards AND Samuel AND Umenyiora and let us fucking DO THIS THING.

    Come on. Football was saved. Save the Chicago Bear fan now.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    nicks and harris first GP

  • In reply to gpldan:


  • In reply to Doc Nitty 34:

    Ted Phillips has a sign above his desk. It says"

    "make em laugh make em cry make em dance in the aisles
    make em pay make em stay make em feel ok "

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Man you are so full of shit! Guess that makes you an asshole....................lololol...... I bet you get a boner reading your posts. Go teh Super Bowl..................................

  • In reply to #16 Bears Fan:

    who are you!?!?!

    This is Jimmy Greenfield isn't it? ISN'T IT!?!?!?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I am an asshole, thank you. Glad you took notice, everyone else around here already knows it and has for several years now.

    And yes, reading my own erudition often makes me tight in the pants, thanks for asking.

  • In reply to gpldan:


  • In reply to gpldan:

    Oh - and Jimmy -

    Your problem is that your Twitter feed shows you are a Hawks and Cubs fan.!/jcgreenx

    Stop tweeting about the shitty Cubs and pick up a fucking programming book and fix this worthless tub of shit you call CN.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Why would you not think about a team that was one game away from the big dance last season?

    Sorry, not buying it, GP

  • rumor has it that the eagles are making a play for Moss too... holy shit they are going to be fucking dangerous.

    Man, talk about an org that said, ok enough of this 'almost' bullshit... it's time to get shit done RIGHT NOW so that we get to the show. Gotta love that attitude, even though it's no guarantee for anything. Eagles fans have to be giddy right now.

  • The Eagles are going to be the Miami Heat of football this year. I fear the Eagles, Falcons and Pack in the NFC.

    I hope Pringles comes correct on the field as opposed to on my ex next door neighbor this year. Your time is now son.

    Hate to break it to you guys, but Olsen was a hell of a lot better blocker last year than KD. Davis needs to improve in this area if he want significant playing time under Martz's system.

    Hell yea on the Iwuh signing! I like his game better than Roach's and think he'll be the LB starter before it's over this year. In the one game he started for Briggsy last year, he had 10 tackles and was all over the place.

    Chris Harris scares me the most on our SuperBowl caliber D. He got by last year by the skin of his taint and many times that didn't cut it. Again, your turn to shine Major.

    Sign Carl Nicks at guard and I'm happy with this FA period besides throwing Olsen away Olsen for nothing.

  • In reply to Crown:

    ...and harris from the broncos please. Omelete and/or cookie scare the hell out of me on the blindside.

    That's for jerry crown. Names. Solutions.

    ...Sign those two and I won't make any more suicide jokes about you jerry. I promise.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Cookie will never play OT in the NFL again. You can book that. Tice is having him take reps at center now that both Kreutz and Beekman are done.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    yep, makes sense to me GP. He got used at LT, was pretty well below avg at guard, so... i know... let's try him at center!

  • In reply to Crown:

    Still with you on the Olsen thing, Crown. Don't understand all the hate; what I saw was a steadily improving player with potential to be a top-five-in-the-NFL-at-his-position sort of guy.

    But I suppose Martz would have wasted him anyway.

  • If I were a thirteen year veteran, who's contract was not extended before the lockout. If I had no other offers on the table, and I really wanted to play with the only team that wanted me; I'd have to think about for no more than five minutes.

    Both sides were able to save face. Maybe Olin wasn't that great in calling the offenses for Martz's system, maybe it's finally time for Cutler to do it. Really it's time for a clean break for both sides. I don't think a month is long enough for the new center to pick everything up, Cutler is going to have to step up both in leadership and knowledge of the system.

    I would have rather signed a guard or two and maybe a fear-boner inspiring DB; but I have to wait to see some games.

  • Moss retired..

  • "The Chicago Bears have decided to part ways with clubhouse leader center Olin Kreutz on Sunday after he turned down their “take it or leave it” one-year, $4 million deal. The Bears then signed Seattle Seahawks center Chris Spencer, although he is expected to compete for the starting gig with Roberto Garza, who will try converting to the position. Is it possible the Bears offensive line will actually be worse this year?" -

    Yeah sadly it is possible but only if they start shuffling around multiple players on the line. Let Spencer and the Jew Bear start and leave everyone else be. Create some kind of consistency which is exactly what was lacking last year.

  • Really not getting the Olsen hate. Shitty coaches, shitty QB's, new system that doesn't realize it's not illegal to use the TE in pass routes. Even with all that he led the team in receiving TD's during his time with the Bears. The round peg thing is totally bogus. Good coaches massage the schemes to get the most out of the talent they have. I'm not a betting man but I'll be shocked if Olsen's numbers aren't way higher this year with an OC that knows how to use a TE. Shockey will be a complement to Olsen. Not the other way around.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    +1, Canada.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:


  • In reply to gpldan:

    I think that's the part you're missing Canada... we don't have good coaches.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Gee, should have read ahead before my last comment :-)

    Right on, Canada.

  • Here's the reader's digest version:

    "Olin Kruetz was not very good anymore and the offensive line he led was one of the worst in football."

    'Nuff said.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    It's looking like Kreutz will retire.

    I'm now wondering if that Niners story wasn't just a planted story by Kreutz agency. Either way, their hard line did Olin no favors. They said he was back to pushing the 400lb sled, and that his legs were better than they had been. Now we won't know, and it appears the Niners have taken a pass as well, although that may still pan out.

    It's a study in bad negotiation. The one who really got fucked here is Olin. If he's the one who wanted to stand strong at 4.5M, then he deserves the blame.

  • wouldn't Ryan Harris be a good pick up for an OT ? A solid starter that is only 26. He may go to the Skins though and reunite with Shanny. The Cluster F#ck of constantly shuffling people around the O-line shows how bad we are. Plug in Spencer at Center and quit F-in around. The guy started all games last year, including against us and I don't recall talk of how the Sea-birds Center sucked donkeys... And a shout out to MB30SD for an excellent rant earlier. I was most impressed that you could actually get that posted without kicking out for typing too fast... can't imagine writing that post slooooowly....

  • DBB Flash Poll:

    Umiyeiora has 2 years left, with $7M due this year. If his agent said he'd play this year for his 7, if you agreed to re-do his contract next year - would you give the Giants a 1st rounder for him?


  • In reply to gpldan:

    How old is he and could we get him to settle for a 2nd?

  • In reply to Artoo:

    29 and no, his question asks if you would give up a first. :P

  • In reply to gpldan:

    correction..since no one is blocking for Cutler, yes.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    would never happen mainge. He wants that money NOW and that's why he's pissed. Injury scare made him see the short term nature of the biz. He wants that guaranteed paper asap. Offer the Giants a 3rd and 4th and guarantee some cash for him this year and he'd bite.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I would deal with mattys contract first, and then I would only do it if they would take whatever pick we got from the Panthers for Olsen and like a 3rd. We need the first and seconds to bail out the Oline since we refuse to sign FAs there.

  • In reply to Urlacher FTW:

    Amen - get Forte locked up.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I doubt anyone would give up a 1st, except the Raiders (do they have any left this decade). We need to draft Urlacher's replacement next year and if I was Jerry and had a brain we'll have to trade up to get him after we make the playoffs, so no. Damn. But Jerry being Jerry, I wouldn't shit in his hat if he did. We'd have some awesome line no matter what happened. Dare I say it - an 85-like line?

  • You see Jerry, I guess there are still some deals out there to be had. Oh my god you suck at your job:

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    I think that deal will be a rude awakening for both sides... Manning with a brand new LT and Johnson having to hold a guy for longer than the 2.5 seconds it took for Peyton to unload the ball.

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    he needed the name BEFORE the trade was made Johnny. You should have emailed him.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Reports are that Cutler is in terrific shape. He is going to be like a kid in a candy store throwing to big targets.

    Williams: 6'3 220
    Hurd: 6'3 210
    Fanutz: 6'4 220
    Spaeth: 6'7 270
    Davis: 6'7 260
    Bennett: 6'0 205
    Knox: 6'0 185
    Hester: 5'11 185

    How many WR's do we dress on game day?

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    Fanutz has 0 chance of making the roster....He's white, canadian and runs a 12.24 40....He should sharpen his ice skates eh

  • i was having fantasies of Jordy Nelson pt 2 but i think Jordy is fast as hell.

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    He looks skinnier on in the camp highlights.

    Funny, look at that list there ... who doesn't belong?

  • Some Osi highlights against the bears last year

    Check out Olsen and his exceptional blocking skills at :55 seconds. God our O-line was crap last season.

  • In reply to Vicp71:

    Omlette's blocking on the last one was truly scary. And he's back in place at the left side until Carmini can start.

  • In reply to Vicp71:

    That's what I'm talking about Vic. Olsen was on my shit list last year.

  • First post on the new site, first post since last season I think.

    Time for the annual screening of that classic movie "If it's August ThIs Must Be Rose-Colored Glasses Time" (if you know that reference, you're old).

    But I got em on and I'm getting pretty psyched. First off, re: Kreutz, a once-upon-a-time great poster Rancid used to do detailed posts on why Olin Kreutz was over the hill at least 3 years ago. I always agreed, and still do. I believe the Spencer swap will be a significant upgrade, and that's without knowing anything about Spencer except that he has started the past 5 years for the Seahawks and that he's 5 years younger. Those simple facts tell me he's going to be an upgrade - Kreutz's physical decline has been in clear evidence for the past 3 years. Not his fault, just a plain old fact. Or a plain fact of old. I do believe that the story of the negotiation signals that there were two opposing camps in management about Kreutz, don't know who was on which side, but if I had to guess it would be Lovie on side of keeping vs. Martz on side of dumping. Whoever was in favor wrangled a $4MM top end offer, and likely had to pull teeth to get that judging from the speed at which Plan B was implemented when he balked. Just a theory of course, but it makes sense to me.

    Talked to a major Steeler fan friend of mine who didn't even know they'd lost Spaeth. He said Spaeth had had a somewhat poor season last year but he thought of him as a really good, big tight end, who would catch everything thrown to him (jury's out on whether any balls will actually BE thrown at him). I didn't realize we'd wasted so much money on Manumaleuna, but I like the concept of continuing to try to get the right guy, and when I evaluate whether O-line will be better or worse this year I'm including him on the plus side.

    I may be the only one here who actually likes the theme of this year's signings - Give us your tired, your poor, your retreads - you have no less than four people who all share high pedigrees and draft status and, at least in the case of the offensive players, demonstrated that they can excel in the NFL - and they all come to the Bears needing to revitalize their careers. For some reason I don't think that's bad. I am very excited about Roy Williams and Marion Barber. When Marion is playing at his best, he's an absolute beast, a ferocious player. Roy Williams never got along with Tony Romo, and the more Tony didn't throw to him the more head-casy he got. Guess what? Jay Cutler's going to throw him the ball. In Roy Williams and Sam Hurd, I think we've just added two tall receivers who are better than anyone we used last year. Real, professional receivers. (Plus Sam Hurd's a San Antonian - went to Brackenridge HS - major points there!)

    I know Jeff hates Gholston, but I also love the addition of him and Okoye, two relatively young top 10 picks who get to go to Marinelli School. If they both fail, we still had a pretty dang good line last year. It could and should get better this year.

    Even the Maynard replacement was a good move, we got younger and I believe Maynard was poised to decline hard and fast this year, we got a proven commodity instead of having to trust a rookie.

    I think that in bringing these "damaged goods" players, we are playing to what I view as Lovie Smith's sole strength as a head coach - his ability to relate to football players and create a functional locker room and corps de esprit. I'm not sure what else Lovie is good at, but managing personalities is something he's been good at. And since three of these guys came from Dallas, I might add that spending time there is decidedly NOT good for a player's psyche. Pretty dysfunctional place over there, maybe getting better but if so, only just now.

    Rose-colored glasses baby!!!!

    Go Bears!!!!

    Can't wait to see the Bear Jew in action!!!!

  • In reply to PhilfromSATX:


  • In reply to PhilfromSATX:

    Welcome back Phil.

    I like the signing of Barber. He is a better choice as a change of pace back than either Wolfe or Taylor ever were.

    I like the Okoye signing. I remember reading an SI article about him and he is a smart cat and still only 24.

    I do not like the Roy Williams signing. He had one good season with Detroit, and while it was with Martz, i believe that was the year kitna set a franchise record for number of dropbacks (and was sacked something like 55 times).

    Plus, Romo missed most of last season and even with a QB he knew, Williams still fumbled the ball once every 10 receptions. I hope i am wrong, but i cannot see how anyone believes this to be a good move.

    P.s. jerry, sign some more lineman please

  • In reply to PhilfromSATX:

    Welcome back, Phil!

  • 1. welcome back to the blog PhilSATX!
    2. Cutler is going to have a solid year. must move the pocket.
    3. Williams and Barber additions are going to go down as smart moves. Williams will go get the ball and Cutler will have no problems firing the fuck out of the ball to a 6'3 225 guy that can extend his hands to catch the ball. Barber will immediately win over fans the first time he railroads some joker trying to put a shoulder into him. I can't see Chester beating out Barber. Marion can catch out of the backfield too.
    4. Okoye and Gholston signings are going to work out. Okoye is a great pickup and that means Marcus Harrison (who i once loved) is out the fucking door. Gholston is nothing but upside potential. Back in his 4-3 being given guidance and CONFIDENCE by Marinelli. Sometimes a guy just needs a little advice, encouragement and coaching. He is a freak athlete and has the aggressiveness we need. Pep, Izzy, Wootton and Gholston is a nice rotation.
    5. Bennett is going to have a solid year. I am predicting 60 catches for 750 yards and will be huge on 2nd and 3rd down conversions. Williams 60 catches for 850 yards and Knox 65 catches for 870 yards. Hester is good for 600 yards and some reverses and Hurd is good for 250. Spaeth will get 200 at most but his blocking is WAY better than Manu. My old college roommate is a Steelers freak and he told me that we will appreciate the solid blocking and occasional pass catching. K.Davis will get 250 as well. That is a 3800 yard season for Cutler.
    I don't see Fantuz making the roster unless he is a huge version of Bennett. He seems to be a solid football player so we'll see i guess.
    Call me a homer but I see good things happening. IF we run a balanced offense from game 1 and there are no catastrophic injuries to Urlacher, Pep, Cutty we will go 11-5 and possibly 12-4.
    If we revert to 7 step drop land Cutler will be hurt by week 4 and we go 7-9.

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    i would love to see a gangster ass move like trading Knox and a draft pick for a Guard and picking up Floyd.

    That way we get rid of Knox, pick up a need on the line and bring in a huge target and vertical threat for Cutler. It's not like Knox is Desean Jackson. He is a matador and allows too many balls to be potentially picked. He gets pushed around too much and i wouldn't mind seeing someone else get a shot. He had a decent year in 2010 but i don't think Cutler is too comfortable throwing to him.

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    I love that concept - Johnny Knox has deservedly gotten attention throughout the league for his speed, but I don't think he's going to have much to do this year, unless it's at the expense of Hester. I can't find myself wanting to lose the GOAT, and I believe we could get some real value for Knox from more than a few teams - speed like that is not easy to come by. Great idea Waffle!

  • In reply to PhilfromSATX:

    I respectfully disagree with you gentlemen. I wouldn't be opposed to Waffmaker's trade obviously, but I think Knox will eventually take hester's reciever duties away from him; while the skunk finally returns all his energy into being the fulltime GOAT returner. Hester will get in on some random offensive plays, like end arounds and other half trick bs that doesn't gain much, but the coaches will be able to forget about his big reciever paper with the emergence of multiple big bodied targets to throw to. Greyhound's 1000 yards and 5 recieving Tds last year wasn't a fluke. If the other WRs show up, the press won't bother the coaches about Hester getting paid #1 reciever money while only returning kicks/punts.

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    You're the GM I want Waffle. I believe Floyd wants 5 Mill. He can have it Chicago style.

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    Don't forget about Mattie Pro-Bowl Forte. He's good for 500. That's 4300 for Cutty. Not to shabby from his back.

  • In reply to Doc Nitty 34:

    hee hee

  • In reply to Doc Nitty 34:

    you did the math in your head didn't you?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    ha! i forgot about Forte. Maybe he takes the yards from Spaethe. I'm no good at maths. Doc, why you gotta be all smart?


    My problem with Harris comes at several points in this video.

  • Dilfer - just helped invent a system that would have prevented him from ever playing on a football team.

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    Hmmm. Using this tool, I see that:

    Colt McCoy > Sam Bradford
    Eli manning > Ben Rapeberger
    Matt Ryan > Philip Rivers

    Well, I'd say that sucks.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    rapermeister's wife/future victim is hot.

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    I think we had a cname-change for Dildo?

  • Welcome back PhilStax. You're not the only optimistic one. I predicted 10-6 last yr and an early exit from the playoffs. This year I'm feeling like we'll go 9-7 in a much better NFC North, get in and then hit our stride in the playoffs.

    The biggest question I have going in is whether Martz's system can still work in the current league. I think his scheme might be too antiquated for the current state of play and only worked with a specific set of player personnel that he had with the Rams almost a decade ago. Yet, Martz seems to be in the driver seat while Jerry is taking the seat belt off and giving shotgun bjs to him. The power shift is sort of scary. Jerry should have recognized that we're better with Olsen on the team that w/o him, irregardless of the scheme (especially for a 3rd).

    I was thinking Gholsten=Gaines Adams as well, but didn't want to bring it up. Crazy how some our football minds coincide.

    And GP, I agree Cookie will never play the outside again, ever. His face just spells pussification.

    If we sign Carl Nicks, I'll run to Montrose beach and drop a baby ruth floater while wearing my hester signed crown their ass shirt.

  • In reply to Crown:

    Nicks signed with Saints

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    Fuck!!!! Then let's trade for his ass.

  • In reply to Crown:

    "Yet, Martz seems to be in the driver seat while Jerry is taking the seat belt off and giving shotgun bjs to him. "

    Thanks for putting that image in my head, Crown....shudders.

    I too wonder if Martz' system is obsolete, but from what I hear, he's continually adding to it, even in midseason, so at least he's trying to innovate, but it just might be like adding new gimmicks to a rotary phone.

    Gholston played out of position, simple as that. He's young, athletic, and now in position and with great coaching.

    Okoye, same deal. The Texans switched to a 3-4, and even though he's 6'2 315, that's still a bit smallish for a DT in that scheme. Besides, unlike Gholston Okoye produced. He had 44 tkls and 4 sacks in 2010.

    Roy William is mercurial, which reminds me of another mercurial WR: Randy Moss. Hopefully, he follows suite, and the Cowboys were Roy's version of the Raiders.

    Marion Barber is a powerback, which is what we all wanted last year, but I'm very skeptical about signing powerbacks released by other teams. It usually means they're run down (Larry Jonhnson, Jamal Lewis...), but I'll keep my fingers crossed.

    All these players are signed for cheap too, so it won't be an expensive experiment.

    Now comes the more "solid" choices.

    Hurd>Davis. Special Teams void created, Sp teams void filled. What's new?

    Releasing Manu for Spaeth. Spaeth can block and is a big target, if ever targeted. We get to see what Kellen can do finally. Trading Olsen was the right thing to do. Many argue that good coaches adapt their system to their personnel and not the other way around, but be real - Martz doesn't do that.

    Letting Kreutz "go" and adding Spencer. I think I'm in the same strange camp as a lot of others here, for once defending the front office. 4mil/year for Kreutz is MORE than fair. Spencer is younger and solid, not sexy. He can also kick out to guard, which some SeahChicken fans said he's better at since he struggles a bit with calling out schemes. However, QBs should be doing this - so step the fuck up Cutler. Maybe they can still sign Kreutz, maybe give him 225,000 not 500,000, everyone saves face, and wet get Carimi, Spencer, Kruetz, Garza and Webb line and Kruetz' last memory will be of him holding up the Lombardi, not losing the Cheesedicks on our home turf.

    Bear Down!

  • In reply to 4ever85:

    Oh, and can't forget about perhaps the most impactful FA we signed, the Punter! Adam Podlesh...runs a pretty fast 40, which should help out my SP teams on Madden.

  • In reply to 4ever85:

    I'll buy all that, except I think Hurd will be way more than just a special teamer for us. He's a big talented receiver who can hit the RAC and is a high character dude who works hard. We have a fine receiving corps now and I'm stoked about that. Will Cutty be upright a second after the snap, I don't know, but he can run, and he seems to be more acurate when he's on the run so it's all good.

  • Bobby states it better than I did in this thread:

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Jerry's "I like players who bet on themselves" line will probably send MB into a red rage. Holy cow is that everything we hate about McCaskey family or what?

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Fuck, I don't even want to get into it GP, but I did really like this line, "Not everyone wants to "bet on themselves" when real money is actually an option."

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I like this link in that article. And what is that at the 30 second mark?

  • In reply to SC Dave:


  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Skill and knowledge of the game?

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    I thought I saw something on Jay's face that the media would have you believe does not exist.

  • Fascinating stat from Biggsy's Twit feed:

    Kreutz was at 183 starts, only behind Walter at 184. Had he stayed, the record falls.

    As it is, nobody will probably ever get close.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    yeah, I saw that GP. I'm also kinda glad it turned out that way. Now when that stat comes up, I can fondly remember both players as opposed to thinking "Walter should really be #1"

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I was curious about McMichael as he had some record - it is consecutive games played, at 191.

    But was struck me was he had 108 tackles in 1989. One hundred eight tackles playing as a DT?! It is just me, or is that crazy high?

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    Dude was aweswome as anyone on the line. They were so good because there was just awesomeness at every spot.

  • Not everyone thinks Sydney Rice was a good idea...

    Still, I'm happy to have him of the LLand O' Lakes.

  • Williams and Gholston don't look like good signings to me. Williams was horrible in Dallas with all the drops and fumbles (not to mention pouting). Posters keep saying Gholston will come on with good coaching from RM. I love RM and think he's a good coach but Rex Ryan is no slouch. Guys love playing for him and that attacking D. I just don't think Gholston has it. Hope I'm wrong about both of them.

    Where the fuck are the FA OL?

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    100% canada... like the dude in GP's article above states.

    Look, I don't even mind the dudes we did sign... for literally nothing. If they work awesome, if not, oh well. But to do nothing on the oline but replace olin out of necessity is inane. This is the year before we need at least 1 maybe two LBs, a couple CBs and probably another FS and/or SS on D.

    This was our year to make a real run, we had the money, we knew what needed fixing and what didn’t, we had the cap space, I just. Don’t. understand. It. Honestly, I don’t get it? Viva, what am I missing?

    With spencer all we need(ed) was a good guard and a good tackle (Harris!), and if Jerry would have been intelligent enough we could have bet on Stallworth and STILL had cap left for Matty's contract and all these retreads. Fuck me.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    But, but.....we drafted Carimi and we have Williams. Count em, dat's 2 1st round Tackles on our roster. Oh Jerry, you're my hero. Can I have an autograph, pretty please.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Stallworth? Have you lost your mind mang? He will do nothing this year, just like last year.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Fat boy's was too busy licking toe jam to coach him up.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Marinelli thinks he has it, and Rex Ryan is only in the NFL because of who is dad is. Rod said Gholston needs his hand on the ground, then he's explosive. That'll do me. Gholston won't be asked to play LB which is what Ryan asked him to do. Drafted a lineman and asked him to play LB - not much sign of genius there. Ryan is a mouth with his daddy's playbook, and I don't buy his schtick. I don't like his coaches either. Everybody in Hard Knocks was an asshole.

    I keep hearing about Roy Williams 'dropping the ball' but I've never seen it backed up. Kind of reminds about Cutler-haters calling him 'whiny'. I've never heard him whine. And look at the NFLs biggest pass droppers, would kick any of these guys out of bed?

    1 Wes Welker NE 13
    2 Reggie Wayne Ind 12
    3t Brandon Marshall Mia 11
    3t Terrell Owens Cin 11
    5 Miles Austin Dal 10

    They're some of the best receivers in the NFL, only Brandon Lloyd Roddy White, Randy Moss and Larry Fitz are missing. And I don't see RW's name mentioned down here either, I see Hester though:
    6 Pierre Garcon Ind 9
    7t Danny Amendola StL 8
    7t Brent Celek Phi 8
    7t Jerricho Cotchery NYJ 8
    7t Brandon Gibson StL 8
    7t Fred Jackson Buf 8
    7t Stevie Johnson Buf 8
    7t Chad Ochocinco Cin 8
    7t Brandon Pettigrew Det 8
    7t Steve Smith Car 8
    16t Steve Breaston Ari 7
    16t Michael Crabtree SF 7
    16t Donald Driver GB 7
    16t Tony Gonzalez Atl 7
    16t Aaron Hernandez NE 7
    16t Devin Hester Chi 7
    16t Andre Johnson Hou 7
    16t Dustin Keller NYJ 7
    16t Brandon LaFell Car 7
    16t Mike Williams TB 7

  • Marion Barber highlights

    Check out 1:08. I am excited to see what this guy can do inside the 20.

  • We just dropped McGee the punter.

    And I like the barbarian... not like he's going to be the #1 back. Bring his ass in on SY and GL and watch him blast holes (hopefully).

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Who'll blast the holes though?

  • fucking brilliant... good luck to us, we're going to need it.

    BradBiggs33 minutes ago Angelo said #Bears done bringing in O-linemen. RT @mikejwisniewski @BradBiggs Who ARE the Bears in play for? Tell me a LG or OT

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    If that is the case, than Tice is happy with the progression of Louis/Asiata/Williams (x2), and Horn.

    The goal for Tice is to identify his starters, peg them in the right spots, and let them gel. Cohesion is everything.

    If our starters are identified and retain their jobs throughout the preseason, we will be in much better shape than we were a year ago.

  • In reply to Viva:

    I'm open to that possibility Viva.. but if the line still sucks this year, you owe me a steak dinner... at Ditka’s!!!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I'll tell you what, I will fly you to Chicago, and we will hit Gene and Georgetti's for a real steak.

    What do I get if they are better?

  • In reply to Viva:

    if they are better? You sly dog you.

    Ooooook, let's quantify here. I mean they need to go from last to top 1/3rd my man. They can't go from absolute shit to terrible shit and you get the hook up. Likewise, bottom 1/3rd for me.

    Ok, this fly out stuff is a bit strong too… but I do plan on coming out for a game in the next year. If it’s not this year it WILL be the following for a DBB 'reunion', and then, then the debt will be paid. Fair?

  • In reply to Viva:

    Viva knows whats up with Gene and Georgetti's. Can't get more classic Chicago than that for a steak.

  • In reply to Viva:

    Dam Big V, why did you have to post that? Now I hungry again.

  • In reply to BigDaddy:

    +40 points for the G&G ref

  • In reply to Viva:

    That's what I figure. Asiata and Louis had great scouting reports, great maulers, especially Louis at the second level. Tice loves Horn too.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I am officially fucking disgusted with Angelo. It shows a lack of vision to not draft the position in a meaningful way for years on end. It shows incredible lack of GM strateegery to not be able to improve the offensive line with all of the chips we could have played in the last couple of days. Offensive line was the NUMBER 1 priority and he fucked it.

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    welcome to my world Johnny.

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    Copy Cat.

  • In reply to BigDaddy:

    i still think we're going 16-0 but that's because i'm a homer.

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    We don't know he fkd it yet though man. We were so far under cap, and have apparently done so little, that the only logical conclusion is that Tice has told Angelo "We're good". I appear to be the only one who likes the upside of Louis/Asiata, they have size, youth and promise. Levi is progressing well according to Tice and Tice is the main man. It's the tackle position where we suck, and what's going on with CW,is it his back? I'd be happier with CW at LT and Carimi at RT then to ever see Webb or Omelette out there getting Cutler knocked down. IF CW can close down Jared Allen then why can't he do it again? Omelette or Webb couldn't do that. What's with CW?

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    he's a pussy Irish. Plain and simple.

  • Jerra might be blowing smoke when he said this, but if it's true, then 93.7% of me supports his decision 100%.

    "... I told Olin, I told his agent if we can’t get this done in a certain time frame, then we need to move on because it is about the team. We can’t lose our options.

    “We talked to a potential player [Saturday] in the morning. He was very interested. We waited to get back with him in the afternoon, two more teams are now in it and the price has already gone up. It’s very, very difficult. So it was a line we had to walk. We had to make a decision. As tough of a decision as it is, we have to move on as a football team."

    5.4% of me still disagrees with Angela. consider the source of the article.

    0.8% is undecided.

    Anybody got any news about training camp? F all this free agency bullshit. Let's talk football.

  • In reply to Doc Nitty 34:

    0.1% of myself is disgusted with myself.

  • In reply to Doc Nitty 34:

    I was wondering where that last bit had landed.

  • Well boys, it seems all the presents have been opened and we're stuck with a mixed bag of nuts. Overall I give Jerry an A- for all his fantuzic signings because he had the balls to stand up to Olin and he didn't do as much damage as usual this year in the draft and in free agency moves. I had him at a B+ but I bumped him up for trading Olsen.

  • Biggs: 5 minutes ago: 1st team O-line (L to R) Webb, CWill, Garza, Louis, Carimi

    Good luck with our bet Viva!!!!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Spaeth is going to be like a parent running to help Webb not suck too bad one play and then to help out the Rook on the next. This would be funny as hell if it was the Panthers or Vikings or some joke but it's Cutlers head on a platter that i'm worried about. Martz better move the pocket like he promised to last year.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    On a positive note I like the right hand side of our line. Now someone explain why we just signed a center but are playing an aging guard in his place.

  • Trust me big M, that'll change.

  • If our D can carry us like it did last year then we will have a decent year. That is a big if. Everyone is one year older and one year away from falling off.

    I do have faith in Tice, Rod, and Toub. After that, it gets kinda iffy.

    If Jay can step up and play his best football then great but I don't think I have seen him really step up and take over a game. Except with weaker opponents.

    He has the big wideout that knows this system. Knox and Bennent will do great. Forte will provide a great year for us and if not we will love Barber. BTW, does anyone remember Julius Peppers destroying Barber last year? Look it up.

    My three concerns are the D getting old, our oline blocking, and if Cutler will just say " fuck you, I want to win this game no matter how impossible it seems".

    If the D just gets a little more pressure on people, we will be the best D in the league. If our oline will just block for 3.7 seconds longer then Jay will actually plant his feet. If Jay just plays like the stud everyone thinks and hopes he will be.. then just maybe, we will go to the big dance.

  • In reply to Artoo:

    I bet we win at least 1 preseason game this year.

  • The season all comes down to whether Martz scheme is genuis or geriatric.

  • In reply to Crown:


  • In reply to Crown:

    How many games into the season do you think we'll be when Lovie demands a more balanced attack? I give em about 3 weeks this year.

  • In reply to BigDaddy:

    i predict balance from day one. there was too much success when balance was attained.

    Also, i just watched Don Banks on NFL Network. That fag never played ball. You can tell he's just a whiny bitch.

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    most of them haven't jonny.. have you seen fucking pearlman?

    Dude had to have been his high school's yearbook editor and president of the debate club... he was pobably the master debater.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I'm frustrated at the makeup of the line but i have to admit that i'm excited at the additions of big receivers that can run and catch and jump. Cutler has to be giddy and her can't even throw to the huge targets of Williams and Hurd yet.

  • It had to happen, just wish we'd thought about drafting a replacement in the last couple drafts



    The Cheshire... shat

    The Joker... truly

    Bozo the clown

    Shit-eating grin... indeed

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Those photos brought some things to mind :

    Paea's arms! Jebus H! He's got arms like legs!

    The Cowboys contingent have a little buddy group already in place.

    Fantuz, Williams and Hurd standing together - manly-sized man receivers.

    Who the hell is Jimmy Young?

    That photo of Angela smiling... euch.

    Just eeing Brian and Briggsy beside each other gives me a warm feeling inside.

    Backup quarterbacks Trevor Vittatoe and Tony Gutierrez. Mmmkay.

    The photo of Carimi exiting the portaloo and the woman and the kid looking up at him thinking "Well I'm not going in that one..."

    Chris Harris' t-shirt featuring Stewie Griffin : "I've stopped listening, why haven't you stopped talking?" > he's standing beside pringles in the photo and he's a *lot* bigger than pringles, so maybe he should be out there .....

  • Good summary by seifart... even though I honestly still don't get it.

    One thing is true, now that 'what's done is done' and I've had a few days to bitch about no real oline jumps... I'm excited about football mangs. check the link above and look at all the shots.... Football is back. I'm pumped!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    This is more or less what I've been concerned about on the O-line and Olin leaving.

    We thought Jerry was done for the summer, then he pulls off one more move... to replace Olin. We drafted Carimi and that's the only substantial change we have made this off-season. I think he's right about developing the young guys, showing we trust them, and keeping continuity as well.

    Problem is, we've made 2 changes on the line. Center did not need to be one of the changes. If we had a guard instead of a tackle, it would have been the better move.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    Meant to say new Guard instead of a new Center. My bad.

  • Ok boys, I know its a bit early for this but here goes.

    @cheese-lose(at 15-0, Lovie rest all the starters and we lose a nail biter)

  • In reply to BigDaddy:

    Oops my bad, I left out the queens. Can I re-do?

  • In reply to BigDaddy:

    that looks about right.

    rodgers dead.

  • In reply to BigDaddy:

    That was very funny BigDaddy - taking the time to go list all those games - and the only loss a nail biter!


  • Right now I see some big questions that the coaches will be thinking in camp.

    1) Did Angelo screw up on O-line or can Carimi, Webb, Lance Louis and Williams at guard turn into quality starters with another year of development?

    2) Can the new wide recievers give Martz the kind of tools he wants to get Cutler lighting up the passing game?

    3) Was it worth the 3rd rounder to lose our favorite red zone target?

    4) Will the running game continue to be threat on the edges, but evolve a better 4th and 1 up the middle attack as well?

    5) Will removing Olsen and Olin change the locker room culture of the offense for the better or the worse?

    6) Will the DBs or LBs remain playoff caliber or will the defense develop significant holes?

    7) Will our draft day gamble net us more push up the middle with Paea?

    8) Will anyone important get injured and demonstrate how thin our defensive bench is getting?

    9) Will special teams remain special with a new punter and no more Manning, Davis or some of the other standouts?

    10) Will some of the more exciting moves made in Detroit and Minny translate into tougher competition together with Green Bay's young collection of Superbowl champs?

    I still don't know what will come of our cap space given the new league rules. As it stands, it will be interesting to see what happens after another month of practice.

    After today's relatively slow news day. I think the insanity of post-lockout is now over.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    New Bear - great thoughts and i will take #9. Special Teams will remain special. We re-signed Graham and Iwuh and signed Hurd. The new punter is better than Maynard, Hester is returning both kicks and punts this year per Toub and Sam Hurd is a gigantic version of Davis. I don't think you have to worry about Specials.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    As I understand it Paea isn't even starting DT, he's got to oust Melton and Big Toe ... the bust begins ... Leshoure was the pick.

    I like Kellen more than Olsen,s eriosuly, check his highlight real, he's a beast.

    Olin was a bully. It's Jay's offense now, and Brian's defense with his big bro Pep at his shoulder.

    Corey is back on ST and we've got Sam Hurd who was the Cowgirls' best STer by all acounts. Scrappy was a smurf with zero upside at receiver over Hurd.

    I am scared of the Lions and the Pack. NFCN is a dog fight.

    I am stoked about our new receivers and our two tight ends, we upgraded bigtime.

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    Gents, I have admired you from afar like a character from a Nabokov novel, and I’m ready to make my first post to your blog… from your rants on Jerry “don’t want to get into the nitty gritties” to your absolutely meaningful posts on bi-polar disorder (Irish), I feel I now need to be a part of this. I understand my stance as a newb to this blog, and I understand the hazing that shall accompany it, yet I’m ready to jump from the proverbial firepan into the fire… That being said, my brief thoughts on this particular postseason:

    1) Kreutz – Now to sound like a fence-sitter, but I see both sides. God bless the Hawaiian, but the plan is to move on (no matter how I hate the plan) so we have to make do with what’s done.
    2) Olsen – Love the guy, because I can relate to the collegiate idiot he’s always been. But, not for our system.
    3) Roy - Seriously? I’ve spent my entire life hating douchers that do the first down “dance,” but, my god, the man is physically head and shoulders above what we have. I hope for the best.
    4) Matty – Sign the man. But don’t break the system dealing with one of the most vulnerable positions in the sport.

    Clearly there are hundreds of more issues to address (my musical tastes run towards Tool), but for now, I’m just hoping to get my foot in the door. I know I didn’t come heavy, or funny, but just take a chance on me coach…

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    In reply to Beavo66:

    Oh.. and... Rodgers...Fucking Dead.

  • In reply to Beavo66:

    welcome Beav, i have to go to bed but I'm sure we will come up with something to haze you on tomorrow. It will probably have something to do with your love of Nabakov and the novel Lolita. Ya big perv.

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0:

    How did you know Nabokov wrote Lolita and what it was about Waffle? Mwah!

  • In reply to Beavo66:

    Welcome Beavo! Thought I'd do that before MB rips you a new one :o)
    It's funny how so many people read the blog but so few post ... I don't get that at all. You're all so lucky living in a country where you can talk football with real human beings face to face, I don't even get to speak English over here .... anyway, themore the merrier!

    And I'm looking forward to Roy doing MANY first down dances a Bear! Just not in the endzone ....

  • In reply to Beavo66:

    Good post Beavo. You sound like MB on tranquilizers. It may just work, bravo.

  • In reply to Beavo66:

    Just to reinforce that certain irritatingly meticulous people around here pay attention, it is a friggin' ==> frying <== pan, right?

    Do you feel just a touch more welcome now, rook?

    Glad you decided to join in the fun; it's going to be an interesting season methinks.

  • one last item of importance:

    Apparently the players were tired after practice today.

    Was there not a Lindsay Lohan piece available? Brad and Angelina's dog isn't about to give birth to a litter?

  • In reply to Waffle 2.0: catch on that is good...LDL's -Loviefest workouts need to stop. fuck that get to work and get pissed off for the season! tired of seeing us in the fourth run out of gas...

  • "I do believe we gave a lot of people pleasure today", he says, speaking to himself. "It's a great game, a great game."
    Halas folds his note paper and puts it in his coat pocket. Perhaps he'll show it to the coach someday, but only if the coach asks.
    The stadium empties. Gradually the tension goes out of Halas. His face softens. The jaw relaxes. The fingers loosen. When peace has been restored in the stadium and within himself, he moves slowly along the hall, down the elevator, out to his car. The sidewalk is empty, the police gone.
    From nowhere, a girl of thirteen or so with tight, light curls comes up cautiously.
    "Are you Mr. Halas?" she asks.
    "Yes, dear," Halas replies. She holds out a program.
    "Would you sign it, please?" she asks.
    "Of course, dear" Halas replies, "as soon as I get in the car."
    The girl bounces up and down. She bends close to him. Almost in a whisper she says, "I prayed for the Bears last night."
    "Thank you, my dear" Halas says. "I am certain it helped."
    He takes his pen.
    "What is your name?"
    "Dora", she says.
    Halas pauses, then writes: "To Dora, with thanks from the Bears, George Halas."
    He returns the program. She reads it. She hugs it. She hold's it at arms length. She twirls. She clasps the program to her heart. She jumps up and down. She holds it out. She reads it again and again. She runs a few steps. She turns.
    "This is the happiest moment in my life" she calls out. And away she goes, dancing and prancing and swirling.
    Halas watches, his eyes shining and moist.
    "Can you believe it?", he asks. "Isn't football a wonderful game?"
    -The last page of Halas by Halas.
    Football is a wonderful game, and pro football would not be what it is today without George Stanley Halas.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    I relate to this story in several ways. As a young kid, I used to say long prayers for a Bears victory. My parents always had a strict bedtime, but I never liked to sleep. I would sneak my adventure people and other action figures into bed, and use my imagination to come up with all these heroic ways the Bears would win the next game.
    My parents took us to the Gurnee Mall in 78 or 79 to get Walter's autograph. My parents have an iconic photo of me standing in front of Walter, eyes wide open and arms extended as he's giving the autograph, and my brother is walking away hugging his autograph with his eyes closed.
    On a non-nostalgic note, I was hoping the Bears would give Carimi a shot at left tackle. He started there four years in college, but I don't know how his skills translate to the pros. I think the Bears should give him more looks on the left side than just 2 non-pad practices. There will undoubtedly be some growing ;pains, but that's his natural ;position. A cohesive OL can develop if they would just stop all these musical chairs.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    Beautiful. Thanks for sharing. I guess we only get one good owner. Don't worry boys, if I ever come into two billion, I'll buy those goons out and do things right.

    Man, The Bleacher report, I won't even post the links. Ducheynes. 50 most intimidating teams NFL all-time. You know who came #6 behind the 2007 Pats? teh 1921 Canton Bulldogs? Get bent.

    10 most over-rated QBs of all time. Cutler #10 - who rated him? How can you be over-rated when nobody rates you in the first place? Mike Vick? Isn't he the best all-round QB in teh NFL? Randall Cunningham? He was the first Mike Vick! Why isn't Peyton Manning on the list ahead of Namath at #1?

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    +1 fifth!!!!

  • OK, one more nostalgic thought. One of my best friends growing up was a sports reporter in Madison. When McMahon was on the Packers, he was at some charity thing in Madison. My friend asked him for an interview. He said McMahon just stared at him with a really long pause, then told him to fuck off and never talk to him again. Then Jimmy smiled! But he was serious.

  • The Falcons Dahl went to the Rams. He was out there. Jerry just low-bid him. So Jerry can fuck off.

    I really hope Garza has more mileage.

  • MB - I'm in with one caveat - I'm not sure that we can quantify top 1/3rd bottom 1/3rd, but we can use a much more objective standard. If Forte averages over 4.50 ypc (this is where he was last year - and it was his career best), than I win, if he averages less, you win.

    If an injury occurs than we average the starters ypc's throughout the season.

    My position is that our running game will be fierce.

  • So - evidently we are still $24 million under the cap.


    And with some teams still desperately jettisoning contracts to make the cap by Thursday, I think we still have some opportunities here.
    I think Floyd is much more likely than Edwards at this point,
    I believe Chester Pitts and Leonard Davis are still available at Guard, and can't imagine either one of them isn't an upgrade over Cookie.
    C'mon Jerry - surprise me and make hay out of these salary cap casualties.
    I'm happy with the Barber signing of course, I'll learn to live with the Roy "Asshat" Williams signing...just get us an ol' dirty bastard for the interior of the line.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Whaddya know - I had a post that didn't disappear into the ether.
    Jimmy, your gnome magic has failed you.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    No chance for Floyd, in my opinion...

    Unless we have the urge to trade Knox - which I don't see happening, but I'd be more than okay with that one. I think his stock has nowhere to go but down.

    Completely revamp the WR corps? I doubt it. We grabbed our new ST guy in Hurd, and picked up Not My Boy Roy because he knew the system. "Look at all we've done for the offense!" Bah humbug.

    Still, 24 million under the cap... After what we give Forte, we STILL have a lot to blow.

    With so little OLinemen left, do we go after the secondary? I think that area needs the most help. Looks like we coulda had Assimwah.

  • As Pompei pointed out on the Trib today, no matter what happens - we're bigger up front on the OL with two beastly tight ends as bookends. Goal-line situations will be good for us - what does the defense do, play run? Two huge TEs that can catch quick-outs off a playaction dive. Beautiful.,0,1316294.column

    Fantasy league -

    One spot left on the Fantasy league. Somebody please fill it. Scroll up for details. As it turns out I have a call-back for a second interview so it looks like I won't be at the draft. But for anyone else who can't be there, there are good options to set what position gets drafted in each round, and you can also change the ranks of players (drop Randy Moss, Donal Driver to the end, things like that). I won't even be there and I'll still kick your asses, how cool is that? Just click on the 'My Team' tab to do so once you're logged in. Beside the helmet you'll see the following :

    Edit Pre-Draft Player Rankings
    Edit Autopick Strategy

    MBHAP - don't tease us with the Floyd thing, I'd have to throw money on us then. But that's a lot of space left, the McCaskeys wouldn't be seriously considering not using it ... would they?

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    Good luck with the interview, Irish - a second one is always a good thing.

  • Happily give up a second for Osi and pay him what he wants ....

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    That third we just traded for plus a 2nd next year should be plenty to get Osi.

  • 24 mill under the cap still? Wow. We do have room for Matty and for another decent contract out there. We should go after Braylen Edwards. He was a fucking beast last year. I'd take him and Roy E on the outside with Bennet playing the slot. How good does that shit sound? Rotate in a little Knox and use Hester on reverses and shit. Gives me a navy blue and burnt orange bears boner. First one of the 11-12 season for this guy...Championship.

  • New thread boys.

  • Floyd over Edwards for me. But either one maybe gives us the best receiving corps in the NFL. Did I say that out loud? Damn, if we had a line we'd be dangerous.

    Since Hester's special talents are somewhat negated by the new kickoff rules, I've got no problem if they just keep him on punts and lessen his looks at receiver, or just let Knox do the returns. I'd love to see Roy and Sam on the outside though. I didn't see any benefits to the passing game last year having Hester and Knox on the outside, they were outplayed and out-jumped. Knox has one route in him, beat his man and go long. Even if the new center works out and our young guards come through .... I don't like our LT whoever it is.

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