Proposed CBA Deal


Proposed CBA Details

Details of a proposed collective bargaining agreement being pitched to NFL owners Tuesday, according to sources:

• Players get 48 percent of "all revenue," without extra $1-billion-plus off top that previously had been requested by owners.

• Players' share will never dip below 46.5 percent, under new formula being negotiated.

• Teams required to spend minimum 90-93 percent of the salary cap.

• Rookie wage scale part of deal but still being "tweaked."

• 18-game regular season designated only as negotiable item and at no point is mandated in deal.

• New 16-game Thursday night TV package beginning in 2012.

• Owners still will get some expense credits that will allow funding for new stadiums.

• Retirees to benefit from improved health care, pension benefits as revenue projected to double to $18 million by 2016.

-- ESPN's Chris Mortensen

No vote today.  Meeting may take place tomorrow or next week.  

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  • I'd be the first to say... just get a deal done people.

  • Vote Yes!!

  • Also, here you go GP: http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/europe/06/21/uk.sony.hack.arrest/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

    That kid is so incredibly fucked. Have a nice life in jail nerd.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    "The Matrix" ain't going to look so romantic from a cell for the next 25-to-life.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    His English cornhole will be for the "Lulz" now. Bruno's Lulz.

    And just for saying the words "English cornhole", I am now mandated to post a picture of a "Pretenders Series" sex doll. I went back to Ohio, indeed:

    http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/comment/7/2011/06/ad57752b2aa9722005ffd5489dc4c3fc/340x.jpg

  • In reply to gpldan:

    On wax 45

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WXcexId5s8

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Speaking of nerds, weird al is awesome: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ss_BmTGv43M#at=58

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Seems like a reasonable offer, but the devil's always in the details. I know originally the players wanted a 50/50, but 48/52 doesn't seem to bad (even though I know this would give the owners billions more). It almost appears symbolic more than financial, like the owners are saying, "We're still in charge."

    I think the deal breakers will hinge on how the FUTURE revenue is allotted, esp with TV and multi-media and that stadium slush fund, uhh, safety-net.

    The 18 game proposal will have to wait, everyone pretty much agrees that a rookie wage scale must be implemented, which will in turn siphon some money to veterans, retirees, benefits, etc. I doubt even Maurice will haggle about FA and whether it takes 4 or 5 years to be an unrestricted FA if everything else is settled.

    The owners will prob get a slightly favorable deal this time around, but what's new about billionaire robber-barons profiting at the expense of others in our history? lol

    I would put a small amendment: we need a rotating slew of hot new singer chicks to sing the SNF song! While Faith Hill is hot, I'm a man, I need some variety! Maybe get some Katy Perry

    http://cbswwmx.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/katy-perry-3.jpg%3Fw%3D385%26h%3D348

    http://c.imagehost.org/0712/Katy-Perry-TD-SNL.jpg

    Or Beyonce, or someone else equally hot who can somewhat sing. Who do you guys nominate?

  • In reply to KissMyButkus:

    You mean this Katy Perry ?

    http://www.thesuperficial.com/katy-perry-is-dead-to-me-12-2010

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    dude... really?

    Common mang, everyone looks like that straight outta bed. One word for you irish... boobies.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Yep, don't need makeup for that.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    you mean, 'them'?

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    yeah dude - I don't want to wake up next to her - just to see her strut around, boobs and ass hanging out, for a few moments before a sunday/monday night football game.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Hey, rumors are that the new cba will only require 4 or more years to be a UFA! That's good for us. Profootballweekly:

    "Some of the top free agents who have four accrued years and would be unrestricted in this new deal include RB Ahmad Bradshaw, LB Paul Posluszny, CB Johnathan Joseph, WR Sidney Rice, TE Zach Miller, OT Jermon Bushrod, S Eric Weddle, OT Doug Free, DE Charles Johnson, WR Steve Smith (Giants), LB Stewart Bradley and WR Mike Sims-Walker."

    I bolded those UFAs that might be of particular interest to da Bears. I think we may lose Manning due to this, but I'm not sure where he falls. No matter, with the new KR rules, his market value has gone down, so who knows.

  • In reply to KissMyButkus:

    Hey 85, you missed: S Eric Weddle

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Some more possible UFAs from the tribune:

    "Some big names will head to free agency. The unofficial list includes wide receivers Steve Breaston, Santonio Holmes, James Jones, Malcolm Floyd and Sidney Rice, running backs Ahmad Bradshaw and DeAngelo Williams, defensive ends Ray Edwards and Jacob Ford, tight ends Kevin Boss and Zach Miller, offensive linemen Willie Colon, Doug Free and Davin Joseph and cornerbacks Antonio Cromartie and Johnathan Joseph.

    Bears backup quarterback Caleb Hanie remains a restricted free agent under the system because he has only three years of service. Running back Kahlil Bell and guard/center Edwin Williams are exclusive rights free agents and are not impacted.

    Strong hints indicate the Bears will pursue veteran punter Steve Weatherford in free agency. That

  • In reply to KissMyButkus:

    It's a fucking disgusting sick joke that the average Joe pays taxes to prop up professional sports teams, the auto industry, mega banks, AIG, GE, and most other large companies that pay the man with lobbyists.
    How many of you guys know that the Federal Reserve is a privately owned bank that prints money at it's own whim, with interest, backed up by the full faith and credit of the Federal Government. The Federal Reserve has NEVER BEEN AUDITED! Nobody knows who owns our money. After WW2 over 90% of the known gold reserves were at Fort Knox, which the world money supply is based on. Today, there is probably little to no gold in Fort Knox.
    If the US Government can back bonds, guaranteed by the full faith and credit of the US government, and then pay interest on it, why can't it print it's own money and back it by the full faith and credit of the US Government? What's the difference, aside from paying interest to international bankers, from money they made up out of thin air?

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    The private banks that make up the Fed lists the nations gold reserves on its balance sheet. It's not your gold anymore, it belongs to Rothschild and his cronies. Rothschild has cornered the world's gold market hence it's the only substance on the planet which continually rises in value.

    Remember, every dollar printed in the U.S. is lent to the government at interest, which then hands it straight back to the Fed as interest repayments on a loan that can never be repaid by the very nature of debt-money - not even the interest can ever be repaid. FOR NO REASON. The government is borrowing money at large interest TO JUST GIVE IT AWAY AGAIN.

    Get angry, get vocal, petition your congressmen. It's a scam. JFK tried to introduce a silver standard and then got shot in the head shortly afterwards ....

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Didn't Kennedy actually try to issue *gold* certificates that were similar to silver certificates and hence get plugged?

  • In reply to Mastodon:

    I think it was silver, and I believe that's why he was shot.

  • In reply to KissMyButkus:

    Apparently we need to sign 26 more bodies. Posluzny is an excellent LB, we could always use him. I like the idea of Rice, but isn't his hip shot? Mike Sims-Walker definitely - 6-2, 214, Age: 26. Good WR.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Sky-Walker - man, we really need a rec cuz I'm beginning to look at all the UFA recs like a starving man savoring crackers.

  • In reply to KissMyButkus:

    I think it's about 8 banks that make it up Cor. This is an old list obviously :

    1. Rothschild Banks of London and Berlin
    2. Lazard Brothers Bank of Paris
    3. Israel Moses Sieff Banks of Italy
    4. Warburg Bank of Hamburg, Germany and Amsterdam
    5. Kuhn Loeb Bank of New York
    6. Lehman Brothers Bank of New York
    7. Goldman Sachs Bank of New York
    8. Chase Manhattan Bank of New York (Controlled By Rockefellers) I can't remember where the following quote came from, but the documentary it mentions not only blew my mind, it scared me for days afterwards. Scared.

    "On each dollar, you will also see the term

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    "Interestingly enough there, Normy"

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    I think its actually 10 Banks Irish. Not all the banks have been disclosed.

    Power to the sheeple. Baa baa.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Yep, it's increased, that was an old list sorry, it was just handy on my pc there. I believe HSBC are involved now too.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Irish, anytime someone can say "Poverty, disease, hunger, debt, all gone overnight", I know they're full of shit.
    Secondly, you continually demonstrate gold-bug obsessions, and conflate a fear of the Federal Reserve system with some weird criticism of fractional reserve banking.
    Let me ask you something: do you understand that gold doesn't grow on trees but the population trend for the US has been upwards? What happens when the currency supply is static but you have more economic activity to account for?
    Do the math on that, then we'll work on fractional reserve banking.
    Go read an econ history book that doesn't come from Crackpot Press as a start.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    And was that your own comment on Fluther that you took that from? Or did you just lift that entirely from someone else's paranoid ravings?

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    It was in quotes, and I did say at the top it was somebody else's (life is too short to be writing that shit out all the time) but I have checked it all out years ago, and there is no doubt that the Fed is screwing you all royally every day of your lives.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Brownie, I think the obvious point should be that world economies continue to spend and borrow money that simply doesn't exist. The "we want it and we want it now" mindset that is promoted to keep the wheels of socialism turning. Today's form or capitolism is not what capitolism used to be. Do the words "fuzzy math" ring a bell? Humanity has been sold into a form of slavery and the world banking system as it is today is the slave master.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    "Money" has no intrinsic value - it only exists as mechanism to exchange value for value. Whether you are talking gold, paper, or bitcoins, if I choose not to value yours or can find a good source for it elsewhere, then your money is worthless.

    I do agree in one respect, and probably just this one: spending and borrowing your economic value away without using any of that "coin" to renew the infrastructure that supported that perceived value in the first place, is idiotic. Paying out that earned value 10000x over to financiers is also idiotic, but talk about capping bonuses and you're a socialist?

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I was not calling you a socialist. You seem like a smart guy brownie, what the facts indicate is that this world is heading down that path. How can you deny that when assessing the worlds stage objectively. Governments are way to big all over the world and are unsustainable. Margaret Thatcher said it best when she said that socialism is doomed to fail because sooner or later you run out of others peoples money.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    I wasn't referring to you referring to me as one, really. I was making a (too) vague reference to the TARP environment when people like Paul Krugman brought up the possibility of nationalizing insolvent banks. I agreed with him, but the accusation then was that was "socialist".

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    That's what they just did in Ireland against the wishes of the people and it ruined us as a nation for probably a hundred more years or so.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Please expand - I'd love to hear this.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Banks over-extended credit. 110% mortgages to anyone who wanted one. Property prices skyrocket over ten years, housing estates fly up at the rate of knots. People somehow get the notion that "these prices will never fall". Shit hits the fan and the banks go to the wall. "Oh, we'll save you!" say the government. We'll buy all your toxic loans and nationalise the banks. They lied aout the estimates, got them wildly wrong, whatever, and the bailout loan from the EU to cover the private bondholders losses and keep the banks solvent will cripple the nation. For some reason we have to pay more interest for our loan than other countries. Private bondholders got greedy, made bad decisions, and the man in the street pays through the nose to bail them out? Wrong, it's just plain wrong.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    An easy and obvious step to alleviate people's worries would just be to reverse Reaganomics and regualte the banks. Is it so insane an idea to want regualted banks. There is literally nothing to stop what just happened happening again. Nothing changed. they'll do it agian. We have to stop this crazy derivatives market whereby people can speculate billions on something bad happening, and then they make that 'something' happen. It encourages corruption at the highest levels.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    getting into an altercation with his wife which sent him to the hospital in serious condition from a stab wound. It is reported that the Dolphins are potentially releasing him as soon as the market is reopened which would save an estimated 15 million dollars from their cap salary

    Jerry, get him. There is our numero uno.

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    Oh hell yes Erik, now you are talking.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Ginny will never sign a "troublemaker" like that. It's very anti-Bears.

    Ginny is still smarting over Jimmy Mac and his "salty language".

  • In reply to gpldan:

    She will if Jay sleeps with her. Take one for the team Jay!!!

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I would love to see Brandon Marshall in a Bears uniform but I just can't see him behaving. He is a sociopath when it comes down to it and sooner or later would fuck up somehow.

    It would be a sight to see him and Cutty playing pitch and catch with the rock. That would shut the pundits up really quickly.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    I think our Vets would put him in his place. I hope it would be later than sooner but come on.. would you let this guy go to the Ram's?

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    Agreed. Anyone think maybe we're in the SB if we had Marshall last season?

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    I don't know man... I list at least 3 or 4 apeshit troublemaking WRs in front of the beast. I would welcome that shit with open arms... even if he only made it through half the season.

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    MBP, Johnny, I'm going to keep tempting you guys until you buy something, just so that I can live vicariously: http://uncrate.com/stuff/black-tan-cookie-bars/

    ...It's like I work for uncrate or something. Sheesh.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    My wife makes a mean Guinness cake - and I bet she could do this from scratch. I will see if I can talk her into making these and give my review.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Damn! Wish my woman made Guiness cake!! At least my woman is committed to cooking and improving her skills in that department. And her moms is a mean cook.

  • In reply to Crowned:

    she a shiksa crown?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Naw. She's 100% tribe. Never thought it would happen. I had a long and consistent streak of coitus with repressed (and willing to eperiment) Christian/Catholic blondes.

    One thing I've learned about women: The ones with crosses on their necks are the biggest freaks in bed. Oh yeah, and adopted bitches too.

  • In reply to Crowned:

    "Oh yeah, and adopted bitches too."

    Dude, best quote of the last few strings.

    Well done, I'm sure your mom is proud. Can't cook?!?! Must be from the new-skool. Oye vey!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Her Mom does work though: little hard matza balls, sick carrot/pecan pie and blonde bars, seafood stews, amazing fish sanguiches, everything. Her knife skills are impeccable.

    That's why I'm holding out some hope. Problem is my woman eats real healthy. I sometimes have to force her to put meat in things. Shit, I need the protein, not another kale chip.

  • In reply to Crowned:

    Average guy in my circles gains about 30 pounts within 2 years of marrying a nice Jewish girl. I think I did pretty well... I only gained 20.

  • In reply to Crowned:

    That is so true. I don't know about the adopted part though

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    Daddy issues = freak in the sack, every time without fail.

  • In reply to Crowned:

    Bigger the cross, the bigger the slut.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Is Uncrate your startup company or something? have you been playing us the whole time you sneaky bastardo. Those cookies look fucking delicious.
    I once heard a european guy order a black and tan in Dublin and got punched in the kidney by some dude. In Republican parts of Ireland or in particular bars you order a Half and Half which is Guinness and Harp or you risk getting maimed.

    MB - i gave a sales presentation to my wife's uncle regarding the Beer Brewing system. He is stoked but his wife saw the price tag and said F that.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    Hahahah.... nice pitch to they easy suckers. The tough pitch is always to the wives man.

    Naw, they just have cool shit that I like sharing with you guys. I'm actually not a very big consumer myself. I have two boards, two bikes, 2 pairs of running shoes and some workout cloths and I'm pretty much set.

    I really should support the site by buying something once in a while.

    btw, while I know the advertising model is popular and can be lucrative, I'm kinda old skool in that I don't think it's a true (sustainable) business model, but that's my cross to bare. I slang software mang.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    you got me hooked on Uncrate but my wife just watched Oprah or some shit and is now all hyped up about a spending freeze. Until football season I agreed that i am not allowed to spend any money on anything except groceries, gas, and one bottle of Midletons Irish Whiskey every month. Once regular season football starts i am allowed to spend money like Paris Hilton again.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    hahahaha... who's paris hilton?

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    Speaking of killin' Whitey -

    OJ is going to come clean on Oprah.

    http://www.nesn.com/2011/06/report-oj-simpson-confesses-to-murder-of-ex-wife-nicole-brown-simpson.html

    I actually don't consider the OJ murders to be a race crime, because OJ isn't black. He's about as black as Dandy Don is. Howard Cosell is blacker than OJ.

    Nevertheless, I guess he figures his life is almost over, it's ruined, he's ruined, so WTF. Rub a little salt in Goldman's wound on the way out. He is gonna say to Oprah that he killed them in self-defense. How he's gonna sail that one should make for a great TV moment.

    All that's left to know is if Oprah is going pay-per-view on it...

  • In reply to gpldan:

    OJ getting away with murder makes you realize how stupid our population is. That is why i believe Casey Anthony is going to get away with it. People are too dumb. If you ever have a chance for a jury trial and you are truly innocent DO NOT do it. If you are guilty then go for it.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    As i've found via verifiable proof throughout my life...

    ...people, in general, are morons.

    (not class acts like these boys here, but real scum)

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKvU2DumWuk

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    Ahhhh, Black and Tans out of the keg and Maine Lobster Rolls! Brings me back top freshman year of college.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    Was in Belfast during law school with this one girl from the trip that wasn't the smartest. We got to a historic bar and she orders a car bomb. No joke. One of the most embarrasing points in my life.

  • In reply to Crowned:

    fucking classic. My idiotic buddy did the same thing except he went all the way and called it a Belfast Car Bomb. locals none too pleased.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    Damn bro. Just damn.

  • In reply to Crowned:

    It is good to know you can be embarrassed by something, Crown. :-)

  • In reply to Mastodon:

    :o)

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Dude, I was just about to say ...

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    where's this report coming from? Man, if the Fins are letting him go, we MUST jump on Marshall. We'd have the inside track too cuz he wants to play with Cutler and a contender AND get paid, and we'd fit the bill perfectly.

    And I'm not too worried about him "acting" up. As long as Lach, Kreutz and Briggs are there, no one's gonna act like a punk. Last guy who did now plays for the lowly Bengals for chump change.

  • In reply to KissMyButkus:

    I think Brandon would be real quiet in a locker room like ours. Ocho doesn't understand 'quiet'. Only a mother could love that boy.

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    Lach, dropping bombs: http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/nfl/news/story?id=6696632

    "I think we were drafted in the same class, and I haven't heard anything about him since then," Urlacher said. "I saw him on a TV show with a bow tie on, though. So I know him better for the way he dresses than what he does on the football field."

    ..tee hee

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Bow-tie. Nuff said.

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    Hey, you guys catch Lach interview? Funny shit. Here's the rehash

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/chi-bears-urlacher-blocks-out-criticism-from-bengals-jones-20110623,0,5220835.story?track=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+chicagosports%2FBears+%28ChicagoSports.com+-+Chicago+Bears%29

    Basically, he punks Jones, welcomes Plax, and disses the field conditions. So heeeeerrreee we go again:

    To instal field turf, or not, that is the question. Lachs argument:

    "We're a fast defense.You put us on that FieldTurf eight home games a year? We're going to be really fast. You put (Julius) Peppers on turf? (Devin) Hester, with those cuts on turf? (Johnny) Knox? All those guys. Matt (Forte)? We're going to be a little better, I think. Faster."

    Lach makes a good point, but didn't they do a whole study about field turf and injuries? Also, we suffered no significant injuries last year, and I'm of the mind 'don't fix what ain't broke'. I would love to see some stats on the Bears wining percentage when the field is painted dirt, then when it's prime though.

  • In reply to KissMyButkus:

    Apology for the bogart please 85... I

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    ha ha, I think I was pasting that link when you posted ur Lach late breaking news!

    Sometimes I forget that this page doesn't renew even when I post something - it just ACTS like it does.

  • In reply to KissMyButkus:

    Great interview! Glad to see someone on our team doesn't let other players talk shit on him(cough cOugh Cutler). This year Lach is gonna tear the fuckin field up!

  • In reply to Grizzly559:

    they say a team reflects the coach's personality, but damn, it's nice to get a little fire from time to time.

    That's why I liked Carimi even more when he said straight up that he was the best LT in the draft, then proceeded point by point to list why (insert Jew joke here lol).

    Some deemed it arrogance - I thought it the perfect anti-Lovie.

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    We should have done this ASAP after getting Cutler, that Tard McDaniels would have done it too.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Ok, now HERE is something we can all afford... without a subsidy from the IMF (I know, don't get Irish started). (oh and, see how I did that?)

    MBP, your dessert has arrived: http://uncrate.com/stuff/beercandy

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    It disappeared!

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    damn it: http://uncrate.com/stuff/beercandy-/

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Yes, please.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Dang! $18 for 12 pieces?

  • In reply to Jlehr:

    Dude, it's made from beer!!!!

    Mmmmmmmmm... beeeeeeeeeer.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Here is some fun with currencies and markets:

    http://www.dailytech.com/Inside+the+MegaHack+of+Bitcoin+the+Full+Story/article21942.htm

    bit.ky/kE3Q4D is the URL to the .csv file, with 65k accounts in it. Opens right up in Excel, and it's not a binary format so there is no virus payload possible if you're a n00b. You can grep to see if a friend had an account, and rainbow table their password from the hash. Kids stuff, Lulz level bullshit.

    The value of bitcoins was wiped out in one day. Fascinating study in money and the concept of intrinsic value. They are trying to secure the system, recover the stolen coins, and re-inflate the value of the currency.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Did one of you guys already post this: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/don_banks/06/21/nfl.owners.meeting/index.html?sct=nfl_t11_a0&&hpt=hp_c2

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    As Al said, we're probably going to see an owner vs. owner split here soon.

    I would imagine some of it really has to do with bonus structure. Isn't there a bonus type that doesn't count against the cap? I can see two sides: the big market owners who want exemptions in compensation structure, so they can buy super bowls, and small market owners, who can't fleece their fans for simply coming to tailgate parties and watching big screen tvs in the parking lot - who will be pissed at any CBA that doesn't address inherent financial issues like these.

    And the conservatives here should be siding with the big money owners, like Jerry False Face Jones. After all, pooling revenue is straight up socialism, no?

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    If you suddenly have an extra trillion dollars to spend every year, I would safely say that covers America's people expenses pretty well. Cut back on that over-sized military and you'd literally find it hard to spend it all.

    Re "a fear of the Federal Reserve system" - when the nation is borrowing money they use 'at interest' from private bankers, then I'd be very afraid of that, yes. Especially if I was American.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    That'll do Mr. Moore, That'll do.

    I don't think there is an economy out there that is still backed by gold. World economies are backed by the strength of their central banks and their assets. I fail to see many other options for the levels of population growth outside of some federal centralized banking system, especially with unions and minimum wage levels creating sticky wages and increased unemployment; people need more money than there is. But - why are we talking about this... there is some hope of a regular season of football for cryin! FA discussions... who should cave on what... lets talk about that stuff not the US Dollar.

  • In reply to dutsami:

    Michael Moore does not advocate the destruction of the fractional banking system or a reversion to the gold standard. So comparing Irish to Moore makes no sense in your ad hominem.

    MBHP - Do you have some book recommendations that give context to the creation of the modern banking system that aren't from Crackpot Press? Better than Larry Flynt's Crackshot Press, I guess. Depends on the day.

    I should think Irish would be interested in using his computer to mine bitcoins. Bitcoins, btw, are based on the gold standard, with a hard cap of 21M bitcoins. But they can be split to 8 decimal places.

    If you hate the dollar, you actually CAN stop using it. For some things.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Moore goes off half cocked and tries to recruit people to his beliefs using media propaganda....

    So what part of asking us to watch propaganda films, instead of actually studying the subject and telling us to petition our congressman based solely on his rant and those films; is not like Moore?

  • In reply to dutsami:

    By that criteria, you could have just as easily said "Whoa there, BillO"

    Except his medium is books and a tv show.

    Propaganda is only propaganda when it's not true, btw. Just thought you may need some clarification on the use of the word.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    actually most propaganda is mixed with enough sprinklings of fact to make lazy people believe that it all must be true.

  • In reply to dutsami:

    When Moore plays the Nixon tapes in Sicko, where Halderman and Nixon are talking about how HMOs and Henry Kaiser would make sure that it kept the best doctors away from poor people, when that tape was actually played with transcript in the documentary, was that a "sprinkling" or was that truth?

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Erlichman, not Halderman. I get those Watergate cronies mixed up alot.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    both... that was fact that was used as one of the sprinklings of fact in that movie to try to lend credit to the message of the movie as a whole.

  • In reply to dutsami:

    Love him or hate him, Moore is on the side of people. Once you're elsewhere ....

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Jones:

    http://images.askmen.com/celebs/men/business_politics_60/72_jerry_joneslarge_image-1.jpg

    False Face:

    http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20060613192751/marvel_dc/images/thumb/4/41/False_Face.jpg/200px-False_Face.jpg

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Niall Ferguson, The Ascent of Money is a good start. And the story of modern business, whether you're talking about RJR Nabisco or Enron or LTCM, is primarily the story of financing and the leveraging of debt for good and ill.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    So I take it you are opposed to going into high schools and showing them "Money as Debt"?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXt1cayx0hs

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Can't say that until I get a chance to watch it.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    This would be the best one to show in schools:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCu3fpg83TY&feature=related

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Nice one. Of course the last thing they'd do is educate the kids about this. Like Henry Ford said, if folk knew how banks worked, there'd be blood on the streets by morning.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Can't be because Ford was a miserable antisemite.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Good call GP. You and Irish got me looking into this stuff, and it changed my whole outlook on things. I got bad advice from an accountant in the past, grew my business too fast, and now I'm stuck with a lot of debt. I'm stable, but it's going to take me a long time to get out from underneath my debt burden. I look at it as just pissing away money. I'm definitely checking out your next video.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    Debt in and of itself is not the issue; everyone borrows, everyone spends. It's who you're borrowing from and what you're spending it on.
    As a nation, we happen to be in the mode of perpetually borrowing to buy shit that doesn't facilitate paying off the debt at our own pace, so the debt grows faster than the economy.
    There's nothing inherently wrong with fractional reserve banking. There is something inherently wrong about expanding the monetary supply and then spending incredibly small fractions of that "value" on anything that contributes to the overall wealth of the country.
    I'm not against the nationalization of banks that "fail" either, at least until such time as they could pass rigorous management tests (it goes without saying that the management team that leads a bank into default will not be around for that).
    I see both sides as being overly dogmatic. There are practical economic concerns that support fractional reserve banking and there are moral economic concerns that support controls on its use by retail and national banking institutions.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I think/know you're missing the point Mike. Agreed, there is nothing inherently wrong withbanks/credit/FRL. But when the ccontrol of your nation's money supply is taking away from the government as it was in America a hundred years ago, and placed in privately owned banks, then there is room for widescale nation-rape. Remember, Americans have successfully regained control of the money supply 5 or 6 times already. Lincoln's greenbacks? They shot him too.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    taken away, even ...

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    If you're seriously going to link Lincoln's assassination to control of the money supply, how are we supposed to have a serious conversation?

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    Fk the banks. Keep any money/savings in Gold EFTs, or if you have some considerable spendage, look into shares in gold-prospecting companies. Shifting your dough into EFTs say three years ago would have doubled your money so far insteadf of it dying in banks. The only drawback to investing in gold would be if the dollar became strong ... and if we do our reading up and realise the dollar is fkd until they repeal the Federal Reserve act ... then that's not even a possibility.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Gold EFTs are idiocy incarnate.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Must I be submitted to this torture yet for another day? Have you any idea how painful it is having to read these meaningless non football posts day after day after day. Dribble I say, dribble.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUEJK40cR5k

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Leading with the charm again, I see.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Trac, you could take the fun out of a blowjob.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Since we're talking politics and finance today... what do you guys think of this: http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2011/jun/22/border-patrol-agent-fatally-shoots-man-border/

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Don't drop rocks on guys with guns.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Unless you have really, really big stones...literally and figuratively.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Not really what I was looking for, but very true nonetheless.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I do what I can, MB30...

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I see 2 land mines;
    1) Deciding how to calculate that 48 percent of when the owners refuse to open their books

    and

    2) "Owners still will get some expense credits that will allow funding for new stadiums" smells suspiciously like "We want $2 Billion from the players end for our New-Stadium-Slush-Fund.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    i'm in finance but deep down I never really understood the value of currency or gold/silver/platinum precious metals. The reason I say this is because all the value of currency and precious metals will go down the tubes when we start running out of actual resources needed to live. If there is no clean water to drink or to grow crops gold won't mean shit. If people haven't eaten in days and food is not really available a dollar bill won't mean shit.

    I've kind of come to the conclusion that FOOD, USABLE WATER and ENERGY or the means to produce such items are the only tangible items with value ultimately.

    How's that for some survivalist shit. Go watch "The Road" and then get super depressed about the next hundred years.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    At some point money will come back, and the likely currency will be gold. Mankind likes comfortable traditions.

    Not that I'm saying you're wrong, Waffle.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    clean up aisle 5: http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/291810-post-lockout-frenzy-will-be-insane?xid=cnnbin

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Jerry 'Blumpkin' Angelo better have a nice fat check ready for Anthony Adams, ready to hand him once the gate goes up.

    That is signing #1.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    always remember the Cutler/Peppers effect:

    The brass know that our window is closing. Expect a big signing or two that will cause fear boners to erupt amongst NFC teams and glorious pronouncements of SuperBowl possibilities from dickface pundits.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    Big Time WR and OL signing.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    FEAR BONERS.....

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    Well, its goodbye Manning. May you play better somewhere else.

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    He's gone? When's that rematch? Last game u got fuckin lucky

  • In reply to Grizzly559:

    Soon. I work everdday but sunday. That might change soon though. How bout Saturday 2nd at like 8 pm?

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    My boss just told me I can be off the 1,2,3,4 of July. Give me a time and continue the ass whooping lol

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    I'm off Sunday but I can play most nights. Whenever I see u on I'll send u an inv

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    GP brings today's Lulz

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOKuSQIJlog&feature=youtu.be

  • In reply to gpldan:

    DUDE! Seriously excellent.

    between laughing I was thinking how absolutely true it all was. very god stuff.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Taylor Mays, S, San Francisco 49ers: Mays was one of the biggest enigmas coming out of college due to his production not matching his athletic potential. He continued to confound 49ers officials with his inability to play the pass or deliver big plays despite his impressive physical skills. However, a new coaching staff will certainly give him every opportunity to earn a significant role on the defense because his combination of size, speed and athleticism could take the unit to another level.

    Remember when we wanted this guy?

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    I'll still take him erik. Dude was a rook last year... and he's playing on a shit team (although they have some serious pieces in place on D).

    I'd take him over fucking conte or steltz, or bullocks anyday.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Yep - I'll take an enigma over a known screw-up.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Mays was a stud on the Trojans.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Taylor Mays = Danniel Manning

  • In reply to MASOCHR:

    DM plus 4", 30 lbs, and a few hundredth on the 40.

    I'll take that any day of the week.

  • In reply to MASOCHR:

    Casual Fridays=Secretaries wearing yoga pants.

    Today, I am thankful for Henry Melton, yoga pants and my DBB bretheren.

  • In reply to Crowned:

    one word Crown: sun... dresses.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Oh and you must have done well on the SATs word association section. well done.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Taylor Mays = Danniel Manning

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    I wanted Eric Berry or Earl Thomas and would've given perhaps too much to trade up for either. They didn't disappoint:

    Berry: 92 tackles, 2sacks, 4 ints, 1 FF, 1 Td
    Thomas: 76 tks, 0 sacks, 5 ints, 1FF, 0td

    Mays is athletic, but so is Manning - they both lack instincts though - they need a little Brown in them.

  • In reply to KissMyButkus:

    Berry for the Bears, definitely. Or preferably a monster deal for Suh.

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    When do we get Urlacher's replacement? Do we draft a big safety and pump him up? How do we replace the guy?

  • In reply to Grizzly559:

    Please..... Please.. if Brandon Marshall is a free agent get him.

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    Holy Crap - an analyst (albeit one I never heard of) actually sticking up for the Bears and arguing why they might win the division again!

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82073ac2/article/why-the-bears-can-repeat-as-nfc-north-champions?module=HP_cp2

    What I find more interesting is where we ranked on offense. Isn't Martz supposed to be a genius? I know it takes time, but damn.

    Red zone giveaways 32nd
    Rushes for negative yards 32nd
    Sacks allowed 32nd
    10-play drives 32nd
    Three-and-out drives t-29th
    Total yards per game 30th

    We pretty much have the same defense that only allowed about 18 points a game - our oline WILL be better (how can it be worse?) - our WRs and QB have one more year of experience in Martz' system, and Cutler will be extra motivated for being ripped for his "quitting."

    We just can't get injured, knock on wood.

  • In reply to KissMyButkus:

    1. well, the 3 red zone turnovers in the Lions game in the first game of the year pretty much put us in the 32nd spot instead of middle of the pack.
    2. O-line sucked
    3. O-line sucked
    4. O-line sucked
    5. O-line sucked
    6. O-line sucked and also difference between 30th ranked team in yards and 15th ranked is about 28yards. Collins played 6 quarters for the Bears and threw 5 or 6 picks and they gained less than 10 yards.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    so are you trying to say our oline sucked?

    Those redzone turn overs are the worst. Here I am, excited that we're actually gonna score, then, poof, some boneheaded turnover, and I begin screaming at the tv like a sailor.

  • In reply to KissMyButkus:

    we molested the Lions and all anyone talks about is that stupid Megatron catch/non-catch in the endzone. No one talks about the assraping that occurred throughout the rest of the game.

    we will play the way we did in the last half of the season. we will play balanced. we will throw Bennett and Olsen the ball. We will run and throw to Forte. We will move the pocket. Cutler will have an even better season. we will beat the Packers and people won't know how.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    If we get a stud wideout we won't play balanced.

    Martz will open that book up like no other.

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    that's what I'm afraid of - that he forgets that our Oline still sucks and Cutler isn't as accurate (consistently) like Warner.

  • In reply to KissMyButkus:

    one thought before bed...Stafford Dead!

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    I am not worried about Stafford. You know, I bet he effing hates Chicago Bear's. Not because of our divison but because we always hurt him.

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    He will meet the same fate again this year by our hands or someone else. I want Peppers to end his season just to shut up the fucking idiot packers fan who are so jaded towards the Bears that they pick the Lions in front of us and won't admit that we gave them sick competition last year. Bears will take it this year. NFC North Champs, tons of packer fan whining. Packers bounced out of wildcard by someone else, tons of packer fan bitching and whining and still talking shit because we weren't the ones to do it. Bears win NFC Championship...

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    I expect Cheesy will be in here momentarily to run his mouth.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    i should put an IF...we get another Olineman, a WR and play balanced.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Not to rain on the parade of growing optimism for a new CBA in time for camps to open but...

    I BELIEVE the current talks are, once again, being held SANS attorneys so look out.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    That could be a positive sign Al. Owners and Player reps might want to talk for themselves without the legalese. An informal session w/o lawyers could lead to more open negotiations rather than total posturing. If an agreement is made outside the presence of attorneys; it just means it is a non-binding agreement until the attorneys and arbitrator sign off, which they are required to do if the parties themselves come to an agreement.

  • In reply to Crowned:

    The lawyers will screw it up, you watch.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    keep the attorneys out as long as possible, agree in principle to everything and then just have the attorneys draw it up.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I've found Trac's new hero.

    An anonymous conservative hacker, looks to be ex-Military, maybe ex-CIA. He's gotten inside the heads of the nerds (as MB says) that compose Anonymous (the Sony playstation killers) and Lulzsec. I mean, he's REALLY gotten inside their heads. Guy calls himself the Jester.

    He's outed many of them. Straight up gotten their identities via trip-ups and social media, and outed them. I have to tip my hat, this is guy is a serious white hat.

    Here's one of his stings:
    http://th3j35t3r.wordpress.com/2011/04/07/if-ya-gonna-troll-do-it-right/

    Holy shit, fun with PsyOps. Played the kid's vanity to a tee.

    So, let me go ahead and name the names for the DBB faithful. You'll be seeing and hearing about these boys in the weeks to come. Some may vanish, others will soon be in the Guardian UK's mugshot page:

    The head of Lulzsec is a New York Puerto Rican 30-year old guy named Xavier Kotico, aka Sabu.

    http://www.bgr.com/2011/06/24/hacker-claims-to-reveal-identity-of-lulzsec-leader/

    One of denziens is a 26 year old guy named Casey Gardiner, aka Nakomis. He's moving from SoCal to Florida.

    He's put out other identities of their little tribe. Sabu is a big fish, but I don't think the guy that heads Anonymous that smashed the Sony Network is known yet. He's clever and not prone to stupid mistakes like these dickweeds.

    Just a matter of time though. These nerds will fall like dominoes.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    cyber warfare to take my mind off of the lockout and the attorneys doing their best to fuck it up.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    THe Jester's other antics are dropping the Westboro Baptist Church's website, and infiltrating Jihadist websites. He can go into Farsi and other languages, so he's not amateur.

    https://www.infosecisland.com/blogtag/427/Jester.html

  • In reply to gpldan:

    that is crazy shit GP, nice post(s). And just fyi, I am a closet nerd myself so there's a lot of respect swirled around in there.

    I do hate the type of nerd who has ascended the ranks and is the 'tech' guy or 'industry' guy at the VC you're going to for a round. That dipshit walks in and is so fucking smug and pretentious... and you're just thinking, dude, you got one too many swirlies/wedgies in high school... settle down 00geek.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    If you dig into Xavier's background a little bit, the context of his move today makes total sense.

    If you haven't heard, Lulzsec (aka Xavier) released a ton of internal email between Arizona law enforcement and DEA. He just did that today.

    Guy has a death wish or seriously mental.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    yeah man... movies like the born series and the Manchurian candidate have obviously been romanticized/sensationalize, but I personally believe the underlying concepts are based in fact... fuck with the wrong branch of the US gov in the wrong way, and you will end up 'missing' somehow.

    I feel like these guys think it

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Ok, well... here are the full real names of Lulzsec:

    Corey Barnhill -aka (Kayla)
    Hector Xavier Montsegur -aka Xavier de Leon - aka (Sabu)
    Chris Ellison - aka (Avunit)
    Soloman Saleh - aka (Tflow)

    Today's release of Arizona law enforcement files will probably be the last thing that happens. The FBI arrested Topiary, one of the others today, and the guys I listed above are all too young and too stupid to go on the lam.

    Expect news articles on Lulzsec being rounded up to hit the papers starting this weekend.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    http://gawker.com/5783173/inside-anonymous-secret-war-room

  • In reply to gpldan:

    they're all fucked. Did you catch this: "12:03 <@Topiary> epic troll time"

    Bacon!

  • In reply to gpldan:

    btw, Columbo is dead... wonder who did it?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    the investigation will prob start off vague and fumbling, then wrap up with the perp unwittingly admitting guilt.

    I liked the one where Johnny Cash starred in.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Oh shit, I thought you meant Marc, R.I.P. man.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    WTG, Braylon - keep that market value sky high:

    http://www.freep.com/article/20110624/SPORTS06/110624019/Ex-Wolverine-star-Braylon-Edwards-loses-control-of-car-on-Belle-Isle?odyssey=tab|mostpopular|text|SPORTS

  • In reply to gpldan:

    "Braylon: "JUST in case you folks may have forgotton what a TOOL I am."

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Continuing my beer-propaganda campaign for the boys: http://uncrate.com/stuff/alpina-mobile-beer-bar/

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    What the fuck is up with that 100k razor on there? Been looking for a substitute to the fusion, but dang mang. What the fuck do the disposable cartridges cost? Think its made out of rhino scrotum or something like that.

  • In reply to Crowned:

    Hmmmmm... rhino scrotum... good in stew.

    Yeah, fucking ridiculous Crown. I bet there are plenty of assholes in the middle east who can't wait to get their hands on one. That thing is truly for people with WAAAAAY too much money. That's the kind of shit people buy when they literally have so much money that it doesn't mean anything anymore, and they've already bought everything else so why the fuck not this inane thing.

    As for great razors, I

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I use the Mach 3 on my Sack.

  • In reply to MASOCHR:

    Excellent... I go electronic shaver for all the manscaping.

    I use this bad boy: http://www.bedbathandbeyond.com/product.asp?SKU=17140663&RN=825&

  • In reply to MASOCHR:

    Ditto. Sack razor, and face razor side by side.

    How often do you guys go 'between the cheeks'?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I use the Mach 3 on my Sack.

  • In reply to MASOCHR:

    Coach, I don't mind the double posts, but what in thee fuck do you think you're doing coming in here and posting a bunch of ordinary, garden-verity responses without so much as mentioning your bachelor party?

    We requested photos, but at the very least expect narratives (as in more than one).

    Please provide something good post haste sir!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Woah! Didn't know Coach had a bachelor party. That must have been some crazy shit!! What transpired Coach?

  • In reply to Crowned:

    http://www.63chan.org/b/thumb/130613873689s.gif

  • In reply to gpldan:

    That's closing in on perfection.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    closing in????

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    If I said perfect, I'm sure I'd get a load of grief. I guess I should have posted, Out-Fucking-Standing.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    I think it's time to post the angry Irishman interview again:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koY6kXhQDQo

  • In reply to Shady:

    He's right; it is coming here.

  • In reply to Mastodon:

    It's already here Dave.

  • In reply to Mastodon:

    I was saddened to hear today that Rod Blogojevich got convicted on 17 federal counts. He was a great politician. He lied, he cheated, and he stole. You can't ask for any more in a politician. His downfall was that he had a big mouth. It's too bad he didn't have the political skills of Clinton. Then the Illinois politicians could have been consumed with this issue and not passing stupid new spending laws they can't afford. Luckily, he was a governor. The average person would get life, but he'll probably serve five years and be Mayor of Chicago some day.
    On a side note, could the US elect any dumber people than Bush and Obama? Gore and McCain would have been worse, not sure on Kerry. All of the above are mental midgets. I guess that's the world we live in.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    Of all the criticisms that you can lay at the feet of Obama and McCain (and there are many valid ones), "mental midget" isn't one of them. You don't get a JD magna cum laude from Harvard Law School by being a dummy.
    If you're going to compare Rod The Hair to any politician, by the way, the better example is George Ryan. Two totally different personalities and politics, but both sold the holy crap out of their influence.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gsn8xBVneb8

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    Gore's pretty smart. Sarah Palin, now there's a doozer ....

  • In reply to Crowned:

    Attended a BP... ATTENDED!!

    Sorry coach.

  • In reply to Crowned:

    Had to be there I guess ...

  • In reply to MASOCHR:

    Artest does a cheap World B. Free knock-off

    http://www.usmagazine.com/celebritynews/news/la-lakers-ron-artest-changes-name-to-metta-world-peace-2011246

  • In reply to MASOCHR:

    Quick DBB Poll: Is Steve Smith capable of another big season yes/no

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/746296-nfl-trade-speculation-8-nfl-players-with-the-highest-2011-trade-value/page/4

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Capable? Sure...is he likely to? No.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Osi? Yes.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    None of know what fuckstick Angelo is going to do, but I really hope he doesn't target Smith. Smith killed the Bears in a playoff game a few years ago, but that Smith is gone.

    I wish the damn season would start so I could focus on Jerry's crazzzy antics.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Was it Smith, or the DC?

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Nope. Maybe. Another Smurf?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I used the Gillete fusion - I'm not even sure if it matters how many blades a razor has. One, two, three, four, five...I like it cuz it has a single razor on the top which I can use for trimming or shaping, whatever.

    BUUUT, I don't shave my head (either) and usually sport a beard, like so.

    http://www.moviewallpapers.net/images/wallpapers/2009/the-hangover/the-hangover-7-800.jpg

    What I found more interesting though is that when I got a tat on my arm, the tat guy didn't use any fancy razors to shave off my arm hair, but a bunch of cheap disposable razors. Perhaps they're cheaper, and don't risk "infection" but they usually have to get the skin really hairless, so maybe a bunch of disposables are just as effective.

  • In reply to KissMyButkus:

    I used to hang out in a tattoo shop for a few years. It's because they're cheap and don't spread infection. Not to mention, if it pulls or irritates the skin, it's not the tattoo artist that suffers.

  • In reply to KissMyButkus:

    dude, I'm sick at the house today, so I'm gonna be lighting up these blogs like a virgin nerd on a saturday night.

    We can't forget about the UNDRAFTED FAs either! remember that guy who had cancer? I still want him on our team - he would be a perfect Bears Backer, even if just for sp teams.

    http://www.nfl.com/videos/auto/09000d5d8206b51a/Everything-to-Prove-Episode-19-Part-2

    Oh, and Carimi has repented for being a cheeshead!

    http://blogs.nfl.com/2011/06/24/a-few-minutes-with-gabe-carimi/?module=HP_spotlight

    Though art forgiven, anointed one.

  • In reply to KissMyButkus:

    85, i'm completely with you on Herzlich. That guy is a winner. He has a steel rod in his leg though but that heart and work ethic added to the fact that he is a great football player means that the more work he puts in the less the injury will affect him. Like Wootton, every workout he puts in and every rehab session he goes through the better he gets and then he becomes mini peppers.

  • In reply to KissMyButkus:

    thou art forgiven, damn auto speller.

    Here's another one on our new incredible Hulk.

    http://www.nfl.com/videos/auto/09000d5d82037489/Everything-to-Prove-Episode-17

    Damn, that shit's like Rocky. Makes me want to climb a snowy mountain and scream..."Drrrrraaaagoooooo!"

  • In reply to KissMyButkus:

    Paea is a huge Keg of Death. Did you see the power in those fucking arms. hee hee, imagine him squeezing the life out of Rodgers. Big Toe can't fucking wait to get out there and prove that his extension was deserved.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    Yeah, those two Polysian monsters are gonna cause some major havoc hopefully. Between Toe's tenacity and Paea's superhuman strength, and Pep's freak of nature ability, there's gonna be some damage done.
    {insert Macho-man voice)

    Better re-hab your shoulder China DOll Stafford - and Rodgers, we're coming to take that belt and smack you over you're sloping head ooohhh yeaaahhhh!!!!

  • In reply to KissMyButkus:

    Stafford's new name is China Doll

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    The Lions are looking like they're ready to roar methinks. Kitties no more.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Fairley is a rookie, don't forget that. Not everyone comes in this league and can handle the hogs of the NFL. the lions will be better but let's not get crazy here.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    http://blog.oregonlive.com/behindbeaversbeat/2010/10/all_that_nfl_money_waiting_for.html

    strength and honor.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Further proof that the Bears do not remotely contend for Worst Front Office in Professional Sports:
    http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Wolves-second-round-pick-lied-about-age-should-?urn=nba-wp5562

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/bears/post/_/id/4670653/video-mcnabb-on-urlacher

    http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/bears/post/_/id/4670651/video-mcnabb-on-cutler

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    McNabb's all class. It was nice to see Baldinger say nice things about Cutler too.

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    http://top100.nfl.com/?module=HP_cp2

    We get Marshall and another decent O-lineman and it's got to be Lombardi time.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    agreed. Also, please bring back Roach and Pisa. Roach is a young talent and Pisa is solid for what we pay him. he made less than Scrappy last year and only missed 2 games i think

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Hector Xavier Montsegur posts a "I quit" in pastebin. Thinks this will save his geek ass from being chased by the FBI. It won't.

    http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/169636/20110626/lulzsec-quit-hacker-fbi-team-poison.htm

  • In reply to gpldan:

    It's funny when you look at their 'achievements'. It looks about as radical as a bunch of inebriated teenagers knocking over dustbins :o)

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Let's hope not.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    yup, there is no taking your ball and going home at this point in the game. Sony website? Yeah that sucks and he will get in trouble. CIA website? Different kind of fucked.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Nah, he'll prob just end up working for the FBI, though his profile might now be too high for that.

    I actually did community service with a hacker. He hacked into a bank system and just fucked around. They caught him, but he avoided prison cuz he could've stole millions, but didn't. He said that hacking into something, anything, is not that hard. The trick is getting out without leaving a trace - that's why these hackers are always jumping from country to country, computer to computer.

    The suckiest part of it all is that once you get convicted of hacking, you can't go near a computer anymore! Damn. No facebook, twitter, myspace, porn, DBB - can you imagine life without the internet? Almost rather go to prison for a few years.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Hey, Jeff, I know you watch Soccer, did you catch the USA-v-Mexico game? What'd u think of it?

    Man, I thought for sure the U.S. was gonna win when they went up 2-0, but this goal by Dos Santos was fuckn awesome! One of the best goals in a meaningful game I've ever seen.

    http://youtu.be/A5z3-i560g4

  • In reply to KissMyButkus:

    I would respectfully suggest you need to see more games.

  • In reply to Mastodon:

    I don't know SC...I'm not a futbol fanatic, but I do watch it casually - however, I can't think of a cup game between national teams that are bitter rivals in which a sweeter goal took place.

    Not since "the hand of god" but that's only sweet if you're Argentine lol Maybe I'm wrong...still, that was some pretty bad ass dribbling and chip. In slow mo - it's even nicer.

  • In reply to KissMyButkus:

    I'm not either, 85. Opinions will vary, of course, but IMO 5, 2 and 6 of this video are all at least as good.

    Actually, given the angle, velocity, placement, and moment of #6 (RSA as host scoring the first goal of the 2010 Cup), I'm not sure I've seen a better one. Well, all that crazy stuff that Edson Nascimento did...

    http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/archive/southafrica2010/video/video=1373048/index.html

  • In reply to KissMyButkus:

    My man Tony Yeboah scored some crackers for my beloved Leeds United. Here's two that were up for goal of the season. The second one won it.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KxdTwXa23k

  • In reply to KissMyButkus:

    That was a sick chip!

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    It was interesting to hear McNabb say the players did NOT vote on the NFL Networks "top 100 players of 2011". I was worried at first that the players were actually that dumb. Briggs at #92? The best left tackle in the game around 50? That's just stupid talk. It was probably done by some marketing guys who are as stupid as a casual fan who doesn't know who the starting O-line or D-line is aside from the "sack specialist".

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    I thought the whole thing should have been voted by players and staff.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    Can the dude play football though? Mayock thought not. Doesn't have football instincts.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    one of the premier defensive tackles in the nation and earned the Pac-10 Conference's Pat Tillman Defensive Player of the Year award - the second Beaver to capture the award (Bill Swancutt, 2004) ... Pac-10 First Team honors for the second straight year ...
    AP First Team All-American, first by a Beaver defensive lineman since Jess Lewis in 1967 ...
    winner of the Morris Trophy for the second straight year - an honor awarded to league's top defensive lineman as voted on by the conference's offensive lineman ...
    Sports Illustrated and Sporting News First Team All-American ...
    announced as a semifinalist for the Bednarik Award Nov. 8, presented annually to the nation's top defensive player ...
    made at least one tackle-for-loss in 12 of the last 18 games ...
    14 career sacks, tied for the eighth at OSU ...
    29.5 tackles for loss for his career, tied for eighth at OSU ...
    school record holder for forced fumbles with nine, including matching a school record with four this season ...
    eight tackles at Stanford, a career-high ... Pac-10 Defensive Player of the Week for Nov. 22 after making six tackles, including 2.5 TFLs and 1 QB sack, and forcing a fumble against USC ... 37 starts, 25 straight ... considered opting out of his senior year for the NFL Draft ...
    strong player with a rugby background from his youth in Tonga ...
    faced constant double teams ...
    the strongest player on the team, and possibly the nation's strongest tackle ... Lombardi, Outland and Nagurski Award Watch lists ...
    co-team captain for second year ... SI.com, Lindy's Football Preview and Athlon Sports Preseason First Team All-American ... Phil Steele's First Team preseason and postseason All-Pac-10 ... NationalChamps.net preseason second team All-American ...
    candidate for the Lott Trophy, which is awarded to the top FBS defensive player who exhibits "integrity, maturity, performance, academics, community and tenacity" ... Rivals.com preseason No. 1 tackle in the country ... as of mid-May 2010 he held all of OSU's defensive tackle records in the weight room - vertical jump (30"), shuttle (4.37), 225-pound bench (44 reps), bench press (550 lbs), squat (650 lbs), clean (365 lbs) - all would be in the top-10 statistically at the 2010 NFL Combine.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    yeah, no instincts whatsoever

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    gonna be interesting to see how he does mang.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I'd take Leshoure as the good thing. Paea is a dice roll.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    Mayock's words, not mine. Don't watch kiddie football.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    i hear ya mang but these Polynesian players have something inside them that sets them apart. This kid, if coached up correctly has so much upside that I think I have an upside potential boner.

    Imagine his warrior mentality mixed with that crazy old bastard Marinelli.

    Izzy, Pep, AA, Melton 2.0, Paea, Big Toe, Favre Killer and possibly a FA? That is a decent rotation man.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    Favre killer lol

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    Don't underestimate the Polynesians. They were eating people like Favre and Rodgers for breakfast 100 years ago.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    Literally.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    I know the dude that is poon-slaying Pat Tillman's widow wife.

  • In reply to Crowned:

    Mayock? No fucking way.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    Not Mayock. He is a money manager from Chi. He even helped Tillman's wife put together a charity event for the fallen hero while he was banging her. Can you imagine banging a national war hero's wife??? I'd be looking over my back.

  • In reply to Crowned:

    that sucks, i know she has every right to move on but it just feels dirty.

  • In reply to Crowned:

    that was fast. What better way to honor your deceased war hero husband then by quickly banging some douchbag.

  • In reply to KissMyButkus:

    Relax you guys. Pat's been gone for 3-4 years. She deserves a life after Pat.

    If you're interested read Jon Krakauer's book "Where Men Win Glory". It's all about Tilman, how he was killed and the government's efforts to hide the fact that it was friendly fire. Not as good as his other books but still a good read.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    no doubt she deserves a life. The whole charity event planning whilst getting banged by event planner/money manager seems dirty. I don't know the details though so i should mind my own business.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Did you guys read that Steve Smith can be had for a 3rd round pick? I say hellz yeah.

  • In reply to Joseph:

    I have to disagree with you Joseph. The guy is 32 years old with decreasing production the last few years. A third round pick can give us a starter for years to come. He has had problems with team mates and seems to possess a bad attitude.

  • In reply to iamndmurff:

    He had a shit QB last year. He can go up and get the ball, fast, T.O type longevity due to him being a workout warrior. This team needs a guy like him with some spunk! We have a bunch of retards running routes out there. Steve Smith is a baller. Easily has 2-3 good years left. IMO

  • In reply to Joseph:

    And he just turned 32 in May. And since the Bears are allergic to big WR's...Steve Smith fits right in!

  • In reply to Joseph:

    The min I saw he was going for just a third rounder, a deep regretable feeling hit me. I think they do it, and I don't think it will be a good idea.

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    We took a bust FS in the 3rd, totally wasting the pick. Thanks Jerry.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    exactly. Isn't that the only place where Jerry the fuckstick is supposed to be decent?

    Jesus, so now we've basically boiled it down to this...

    Jerry is ONLY hafe proficient when:

    1. A verifiable top 15-20 rd 1 guy falls right the fuck into our laps at above 20. Mercilessly, he's not such an absolute moron that he takes the guy

    2. In FA, when every team on the planet wants a verifiable star and is clamoring for him, then jerry is intelligent enough to read the cover of SI or ESPN mag and figure out maybe we should try to get him too

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I never expected or could expect that tool to redeem himself. I'd have been a lot happier with Carimi/Leshoure and was it Cannon we could have picked up ..? The FS and ESPECIALLY the QB pick. That made NO sense. Cutler/Hanie plus add a vet. It was a no-brainer. Even if he pulled the trigger on Marshall and got us some bad-ass guard in FA, they're just moves any of us could make anyway. No way back for that fool.

    Just watching a clip of Jimmy Mac being interviewed by Brittney last night and she was asking what the 09 Bears would have to do to get back to the Superbowl. Change their owners he said. And so say all of us. Can you lend me two Billion?

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    I know you worship the sweatstains on Jimmy Mac's jock, but we were pretty goddamn close last year. Unless the Old Girl threw a chair at Cutler's knee in the NFC championship game, I don't think you can blame ownership for falling short.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Who is the bust..

  • In reply to gpldan:

    wild: http://uncrate.com/stuff/chrome-audi-r8-spyder/

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I do love me some audi, but I'd take the chrome Bugatti Veyron first. You know, if I happened to have a few million to spend on a car.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    is that flying motorcycle availalbe yet lol

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    http://uncrate.com/stuff/yikebike/

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Man, would that even be a legal ride in L.A.?

  • In reply to Joseph:

    Can these idiots just get a deal done? We are getting perilously close to July......

    Having a good summer everybody?

  • In reply to sjvl:

    It's okay. While you were gone, we voted 6-0 to put a contract out on La Buff. That should brighten our summer.

    http://www.usmagazine.com/uploads/assets/articles/42378-shia-labeouf-i-hooked-up-with-megan-fox-during-transformers/1309267767_shia-labeouf-290-2.jpg

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Jesus... that's what's become of hollyweird.

    Used to be the sean connerys, harrison fords, and even sly stalones... now we have sheia fucking le booof.

    Jesus....

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    that fucking nerd made enough money on his last movie to finance your startup by himself. the world is a crazy place.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    indeed man. and have you seen the chicks in the transformers movies? The world is an upsidedown place my man.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Jason Statham is banging the chick in Transformers 3 and I hate myself for knowing that.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    By the way, The Mechanic is pretty good if anyone hasn't seen it Super 8, OTOH, is not. J.J. Abrams and Mr. Spielberg, how much did you drop on that turkey? Movies like that are killing movies. About to watch Dear Zachary, heard it's awesome.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    http://www.cbssports.com/#!/nfl/story/15272054/top-50-free-agents-new-rules-may-fill-up-deep-pool

    Can we get the man who replaced Pepper's in Carolina?

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    And uh ... can we have Jamar back please ...

    (Irish! Let it fkn GOOOO!)

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    These guys look interesting :

    36. Justin Blalock, G, Atlanta Falcons
    3. Johnathan Joseph, CB, Cincinnati Bengals
    8. Brandon Mebane, DT Seahawks
    39. Mathias Kiwanuka, DE, New York Giants
    12. Jared Gaither, T, Baltimore Ravens
    13. Marshal Yanda, T, Baltimore Ravens
    14. Doug Free, T, Dallas Cowboys
    15. Paul Posluszny, LB, Buffalo Bills
    16. Antonio Cromartie, CB, New York Jets
    20. Jammal Brown, T, Washington Redskins
    21. Jason Babin, DE, Tennessee Titans
    24. Barry Cofield, DT, New York Giants
    25. Brent Grimes, CB, Atlanta Falcons

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    And Malcom Floyd !

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Yes! and Eric Weddle.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    How in the hell is he a bad boy.. that is the most funniest and retardest"if that is a word" cover, I have ever seen... I mean come on

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    He's still method-acting from "The Crystal Skull".

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Hollywood's last bad boy? Did they photoshop that scruff onto his chin? And the secret to a better sex life is in your fridge apparently. I did not know that.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Minority opinion, i know, but La Douche is a pretty damn good actor.

    http://www.gq.com/entertainment/celebrities/200805/shia-labeouf-transformers

  • In reply to MASOCHR:

    jesus christ Coach... jesus... christ.

    And this might just be the last straw: http://movies.yahoo.com/news/usmovies.accesshollywood.com/shia-labeouf-hooked-up-with-megan-fox-transformers?nc

    Really? Fucking really?

  • In reply to MASOCHR:

    http://www.gadgetsandgear.com/aquaskipper.html

  • In reply to sjvl:

    Sarah Jane Victoria Lynn! Damn girl, you must have a job or somethin'....

  • In reply to Joseph:

    Nah mang. What does he bring to the team? Attitude? Check. Stunted growth? Check. We're not a team that can afford to give up picks for has-beens, though not necessarily saying he's done. Smith might have the legs and talent for a few more years, but we need that big ass WR more. Don't we? A second rounder for Marshall, yes.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    I think Miami would give him up for a third or better yet release him.

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    3rd. Now that's a bargain. Marshall would bend over backwards to get with Cutler. If Jerry turns his nose up at a 3rd then I want his home address and an open-ended ticket.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Miami will not part ways with Brandon Marshall for a 3rd round pick.

    The Fins know that there are a handful of teams that will pony up multiple picks and cash for his services.

    I say goddamn if Marshall and Cutty were back in the saddle together. Giddy i would be. He is such a piece of shit though that it makes it hard to want him on the team. Police called on him 13 times.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    They would trade him before he gets in trouble again. One bad move and he is out of the NFL.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    Can you tell I have my Vendetta hat on for these Lulzsec guys? They took away my Playstation for 2 months, made me get a new CCN and generally are punks who need some beatdown.

    Infosec mag is the first to call the names out in the MSM:

    http://www.informationweek.com/news/security/attacks/231000584

    So, here's what I think is going to happen, based on what I read in a pastebin dox about some of the others - they are going to try and find Hector as soon as they can in the NYC area. And then, they are going to try and flip him. Have him go informant and infiltrate back into the Anonymous group and gather intel for the Feds.

    He's the perfect snitch, he's got a father who is a ex-heroin dealer, who I'm sure they can put back in jail if they want to, he's just skilled enough to get back underground and seem legit again, and he's proven himself to at least be able to put one layer of false identity between himself and the seekers. His Xavier Kotico fake identity based in Segundo, CA actually acted as a decent firewall for a little while.

    So, the Feds will offer him a deal, just like they did with Adrian Lamo. Be our bitch, and stay out of the FedPen. Don't hurt your family anymore. I expect to see the name Hector Monsegeur slowly fade away...

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Hector actually has another problem. Lulzsec sailing the high seas of hilarity actually confiscated a large botnet to use to spray down targets of opportunity. I read an interesting POV on one security blog:

    That botnet probably belonged to real cybercriminals, not script kiddie punks like Hector. So Hector may have to pray the Feds reach him first. The Russian mob may have a target on his back.

    This has turned into a Grand Theft Auto mission... or a Guy Ritchie movie...

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I for one am happy that this little shit show is coming to an end. Far too often there are no consequences for conscious bad behavior. The whole I did it because I could mindset fucking ticks me off. Set an example. Put one of these fucks in prison doing real time and we'll see how excited the next set of revolutionaries are to fuck with innocent people.

    When it comes to the exposure of sensitive info that can get people killed or ruin their lives financially I think we need to take a harder stance. This is just the beginning of the internet if you think about it. Hacking is in its infancy and the line in the sand has to be drawn or this shit will get out of control. I'm completely serious, what's next? See who can hack into Norad? It could fucking happen in the next couple of years and could really do some global damage. Fucking War Games part 3 starring LeBeef.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    Have you seen Matthew Broderick lately? Greetings Professor Fatass.

    Dude, lay off the whoppers. I guess being married to Skeletor Jessica Parker is hell, but come on.

    I agree that hacking for sport has to stop. I have a file, which is the entire IP ranges of China. I often simply install it on firewalls, cutting all of China off from whatever. I don't care, they have proven to be state sponsored hackers, and if you log ssh on any firewall, you see a 24x7 brute force against the service. I'm tired of it.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    i wish we could hack into Jerry's email to send him a constant barrage of messages of roster moves he should make and use the guilt of the shit drafts of yesteryear to force him to pick who we want. we could change his screensaver to Malcolm Floyd or Rice, send IM popups of Clabo blocking the shit out of someone, make his homepage a combo of gay porn and articles about using actual strategy when drafting and working the draft board to your advantage...etc.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    I would make his screensaver rotate between pictures of CedBen, Iglasias, Jarron Gilbert and Garrett Wolfe.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    what if Iglesias would have been good like he was in college? is he still in the pros?

    what if CedBen had actually tried like his first year on the team when he was knocking dudes over like bowling pins?

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    CedBen had work ethic knocks on him coming out of Texas. I remember his scouting report.

    It's hard to pin CedBen on Jerry completely, but he knew Thomas Jones had good miles left, and it didn't pan out. Could be coaching or conditioning, a lot of variables on CedBen's failure.

    I place him between Rashaan Salaam and Curtis Enis.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Ced was leading the NFL for a while there, I wasn't down on him as an RB, just as a person.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    The Castle is catering to MBs everywhere

    http://www.whitecastle.com/promotions/BetterWithBacon

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Throw in Nathan Enderle and whatever-the-hell-that-guys-name-is we drafted in the third.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    I wish we could just hack Jerry ... with a machete - just cleave that ugly head with its shit-eating grin and those pissholes-in-the-snow-eyeballs from his body.

    I am available for children's parties by the way.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    American sites are getting smarter. I bounce around on the TOR network with US or GB proxies to access TV online, gambling sites, whatever is regional (thailand heavily censors its internet)- but HULU for example sniffs me out after a while and boots me off. British servers never do.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Everyone is saying we are going to get Ocho or Rice. It all depends on if the Patriots or Redskins beat us.

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    So the Bungles won't have Carson, T.O. or Ocho? Dang.

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    I don't necessarily agree but think we will end up with an OL, Barry Cofield and Sims Walker.

    I think Jenkins would be the right guy though if we go defense because he plays DT and DE.

    Kiwanuka's head almost fell off last year so no way he gets picked up.

    Weddle will go to some warm weather destination.

    Rice will get top dollar from a team that wants a Moss type receiver without the Moss type attitude and declining skills.

    Posluzny would look good in a Bears uni. He is a solid LB and wouldn't cost too much. I still want Pisa and Roach though so we can focus on other areas.

    I want to see some badass receiver come in here so we can here a collective, "....shit..." from the NFC. Everyone knows that Cutler is a top 8 talent if we get him a damn receiver.

    Bear Down, i can feel it coming to an end.

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82084c30/article/leber-wonders-if-hell-return-to-vikings-after-lockout-ends?module=HP_headlines

    Ben Leber anyone? Leber, Urlacher and Briggs with Roach or Pisa would be the 2nd best LB corps in the league or maybe tied for 1st with Steelers.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    It's on my summer reading list. I just got done with the GoT series and "The End of Wall Street" by Roger Loewenstein is up next (did I add an extra e in there?).

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    He's the dude that wrote a book about the kid in "Into the wild". It wasn't half bad.

  • In reply to KissMyButkus:

    Apparently Hangover 2 was billed as a comedy.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    That bad?

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I like this part:

    "Habits Will Be Their Downfall":

    "Overall, I would say from what I have seen in IRC and in other data located out there on key user names, that human nature and habits will be the downfall of the Lulz. People have habits and these can be leveraged to attack them. No one is perfect and none of these people to my knowledge have been trained to avoid the pitfalls of habit that a trained operative would. Insofar as the Jester seems to have hit the mark in a few cases is telling that people are leaking data. Either the Lulz themselves have been careless (as they harp on password re-use, I harp on user name re-use) or they have indeed been infiltrated by assets of the enemy, or, have decided to go down another less dangerous path in hopes of not being prosecuted.

    Habitual behaviour too is not only action, but mannerisms, thought processes, and enunciation of motives. Just as coders tend to code in specific ways that can be used as

  • In reply to gpldan:

    1. Do we want Plaxico on this team?

    2. Who is our redzone threat? If any of you say Greg Olsen...I will punch you in the sack!

  • In reply to Joseph:

    1) I DO want Plax, been on that bandwagon from the start ( I wanted Vick too, and got shit for it - how'd that run out?)Two things thoug - Only for a reasonable price, and not ONLY him, but a Rice or hopefully Marshall.

    2) Olsen! jk. You know, Chester may have only avg like 2yd/carry, but he had a nose for the endzone, if I remember correctly.

    Also, Bennett will prob get a lot more action, but that's what we said about Aromascoobydoobydoo last year, so a big WR would be nice.

  • In reply to KissMyButkus:

    Kellen Davis SHOULD be our redzone threat. But it's Olsen, and probably more so next season.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Bennett is always open and he never drops it. throw him the damn ball.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    what's weird about Olsen is that he can dominate one game, then go fishing for the next 3 games.

    I wonder if that's an Olsen problem, or a Martz scheme thing?

  • In reply to KissMyButkus:

    Good players get open, right? Olsen's big enough to get open a lot more than he is, he really does disappear 2 out of every three games. KD is always open at 6'7 - I don't know why Martz doesn't use him more.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    The problem with Olsen is that if the ball is not thrown into his bread basket, he gets alligator arms. And he can't jump for shit.

  • In reply to Joseph:

    he has a breadbasket? Makes sense... like a fucking Wilderness Girl:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZczseYnlYZc&feature=related

  • In reply to Joseph:

    I was never a fan of the WebVan model during the dotbust (just didn't think it could be a profitable, sustainable modle), but this is very cool (if not a bit sci-fi scary): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJVoYsBym88

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    btw, WebVan blew through a BILLION (yes, that's a B) in funding in just over a year.

    How in THEE fuck is that even possible?!?!?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    That's an awful lot of free soda in the breakroom.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Didn't Peapod try this and go bust?

  • In reply to gpldan:

    there was about 10 of them... but the article says these guys have learnt from that and are now 'doing it right'.

    Not sure if america is ready for this... only Asia seems ready. When you can buy 'used' womens panties from a vending machine in the japanese tubes, groceries must seem pretty mundane.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    With the greatest respect for their culture and 1000 year military history ... but the Japs are fucked in the head. Those knicker vending machines combined with the 'rape clubs' just have to make you wonder. They even have a comic-book superhero called 'Rape Man'. I kid you not. Apparently this is all due to having their asses kicked in WWII and their ingrained warring psyche not being able to handle it.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Pittsburgh has their own Rape Man. His special powers include raping and molesting trampy booze and fame whores. His weakness? Jaeeger Meister. He just can't handle his shit when he drinks it and just has to rape someone.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Pretty sure Peapod is still operating in Chi. WebVan tried to get too big, too fast. You can't build mega-tech grocery sorter warehouses and add hundreds or thousands to your trucking fleet if you demand from customers goes down 1/3.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I'm not sure I understand how VCs were willing to toss $1B at them TO be burned up in a year. Suckers.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I can tell you all about VCs and how brilliant they all are, but I'll just sound bitter and angry.

    As my mentor (a genius, may he rip) said... they are the most evil beings on this planet. Lucifer comes to a consortium of VCs for advice on how to fuck people.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I saw a Youtube parody you would have liked. It was called the "Sand Hill Road Follies" or something. Sand Hill Rd. is where all the big VCs are, including Kleiner Perkins. It was pretty scathing.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Yep, been there many times GP. Many road shows to the row.

    All the same shit. These insanely furnished and staffed places with walls of glass, indoor waterfalls, huge offices, and tons of excess... and all these fucking guys think they are geniuses, but they are pack animals to the lowest common denominator, making investments based on what

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Ahhh.

    Just got back from a math conference in Juneau, Alaska. Besides spending money on gifts for the kids, the whole trip costed me $30. All meals provided. Free Whale watching boat excursion where we saw at least 7 humpback whales doing there thing. Free bus trip and hike to Mendenhall glacier. And all the math I could want. Had to give a talk for 20 minutes. $30 and a talk for all that? Hells yes.

    Now, how bout a new CBA deal already.

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    My tax dollars at work?

  • In reply to Mastodon:

    Grant moneys.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    When the lawyers get involved...

    http://www.uclick.com/client/spi/nq/

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    I get is Al; you don't like my profession. I'm just playing.

    Do you guys think an NFL football fantasy camp for adult guys would sell? If there was enough demand, you could get a host of players to participate. Obviously not full contact. Maybe flag games, drills, fundamentals and shooting the shit with players.

    Did you guys hear that AP didn't even show up for his kids football camp because of a "scheduling conflict." Are you serious? That's why the kids signed up. What a jag tugger.

  • In reply to Crowned:

    AP not showing up for his own kids camp is some serious shit. Those kids live in Minnesota for Christ's sake, they get 2 months of sun and summer, and then AP stiffs their Swedish meatballs. Bogus.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Good guy, by all accounts. But Walter Payton, he's not.

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    "Scheduling conflict." ?

    Unacceptable.

    He should issue refunds, personally.

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    Yeah, let him finish his career before he gets placed on the ladder. And what's with CJ - his career's only just started and he's acting like a HOFer.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=nfp-20110623_the_favorites_and_the_dogs

    How can you pick odds without Free Agency even happening? We have way too much time on our hands.

  • In reply to Crowned:

    We need attorneys, I know that. What bugs me is that, like doctors, the reputable ones don't do enough to weed out the insults to the profession.

    Don't tell me Johnnie Cochran did know that he set a a killer free.

  • In reply to Crowned:

    Honestly, I would miss fantasy football more than the actual football itself. More time goes into the FF than the 3 hours I spend watching the Bears.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    absolute blasphemy Irish. Shame!!

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    I spend a sick amount of time on FF mang. 15 teams usually ....

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Ok, well, it took until Monday afternoon, but finally the MainStream Media has jumped on the story:

    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/technology/2011/06/hacker-group-claims-to-expose-identitites-of-lulzsec-members.html

    By end of week, the big fish of that group will be in custody.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    "LulzSec has taken responsibility for attacks on the CIA, the FBI, the U.S. Senate, the Arizona Department of Public Safety, a British police agency, Sony, Fox, PBS, Nintendo, various porn websites and multiple video game servers and websites since early May."

    Damn man... so GP, what's going to happen to these dudes man?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Collusion. The people who talked the VC funders into dispensing the money had confederates that stole it all. Rather easy, actually.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    +1 on the liars, er lawyers comment, waffle

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    we need TWO big-time Ol and one big-time WR signing johnny... and maybe eric weddle.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    1,000 points MB. I say we both apply for Jerry's job, with our blogs as resumes.

    After signing two bad-ass Tice type lineman, and one (cross-fingers) Marshall type rec, THEN we see what else is still out there. Don't forget, we're pretty thin at CB and LB too, esp if Graham and Roach sign elsewhere.

  • In reply to KissMyButkus:

    indeed 85, after your apology (below) we can join to destory evil jerry.

    yes, but I hope we keep all our good FAs, which we tend to do.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I know Manning is good as gone, and I can't say I would blame him. After Lovie dicking him around all these years 'ur a cb, no returner, no free safety, no strong safety, no nickle corner'...Finally, we settle him down and he performs decently, and now he's out the door. But from what I've read, the Bears are really high on Wright.

    Roach is gonna be good too, and he's more than likely gonna stay. I have mixed feelings about Graham.

  • In reply to KissMyButkus:

    Agree that Manning is the first to go elsewhere. Would rather hold onto a pro-bowl specials player in Graham than keep the upper average Roach, even with an older LB core.

    How many times last year did Graham down a punt within the opponent's 10? A bunch.

    I'm worried our specials won't be as special w/o those two. Pretty sure another team will sign Graham quickly.

  • In reply to Crowned:

    I would love to resign Graham, but he wants starting CB mula, and that's money that can go into bidding for a WR/OG/OT/ this FA.

    Plus, hisotry has shown that if SPteamers want too much, we'll let them go; Adrian Peterson, Abedejoyo, Jamar Williams...Toub always seems to excel.

  • In reply to KissMyButkus:

    Brilliant! Bwhahhaaaa!

    Potted plant, Crepe Myrdle, Little Ornamental turtle!

  • In reply to KissMyButkus:

    Reminds me of this one:

    http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/digital-shorts/videos/2921.shtml

    Parnell and Samberg are a solid team.

  • In reply to Crowned:

    Parnell as Dr. Spaceman on 30 Rock makes me laugh out loud.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4jTRXwsBwQ&feature=related

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    dick in a box:

    http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/digital-shorts/videos/51523.shtml

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    I just had sex- Akon

    Mother Lover- Timberlake

    I'm on a boat- T-pain

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    Mother Lover is amazing!

    She can be my syrup, I'll be her waffle.

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    I'm partial to that new joint: "Jack Sparrow".

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    I can't wait till everyone on here is talking about football again. No saying I don't enjoy our talks, I just have soo much fucking football to talk about.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    plus 24 more, yay !

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    don't get me wrong, as long as money and not a weapon is used to obtain goods and services I will continue to make it and spend it but sooner or later I have a feeling that there may be some conflicts over more than just oil rights.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    who run barter town... say loud

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hgq4w4dqKsU

  • In reply to gpldan:

    speaking of Gibson. I just watched Braveheart again after not seeing it for about 5 years. Classic.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    Speaking of Goldie Hawn, I just watched Wildcats for the first time in 5 plus. What a classic. I would definitely have banged Goldie in her raquetball outfit. Who am I kidding, I would bang her post The First Wives Club.

    Speaking of Asians racist rants: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNuyDZevKrU

  • In reply to Crowned:

    There was a nasty rumor going around that Kurt Russell was into 70's Gas Crisis'ing.

    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=1970s%20Gas%20Crisis&defid=3943781

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Best urban dictionary of the year! An old fashion ass siphoner eh?

    Saw this technique unexpectedly used on a girl in a porn clip. Gave me a fat man's invert for 72 hours.

  • In reply to Crowned:

    Even I find that nasty...Might want to viewing differing porno Crown...

  • In reply to MASOCHR:

    Wow. Ok Coach. I'm going to regroup and come up with another plan. Maybe BBW Asian Sword genre?

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Well, Al - he was drunk as a skunk

    http://www.tmz.com/2011/06/22/cops-ryan-dunn-drunk-blood-alcohol-level-porsche-drunk-wasted-hammered-police-chief/

    Porsche GT3 is probably the best handling sports car in the world, so he had every advantage possible, and still died. Score 1 for Team Ebert.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Almost .2% BAL, doing 132mph.

    If it wasn't him, it would've been another person/family in his way.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Did you see the skidmarks going up to that 'turn' dude only had to pick one direction, right or left... he was obviously so drunk and going so fast that the car was going much faster than his brain. Doh.

    http://lang.dailynews.com/photos/photos.asp?a=1271782#id=1271782&num=3

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    That's one of the reasons I've never owned a fast car or really fast motorcycle. I rode Sportsters for over 20 years. Had a '61 Sporty and a Honda Prelude for 15 years. Lots of fun, not so fast.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    What else is sad, I have seen the first two jackass movies, didn't know him from his name, and still have no idea who he was after seeing his picture; but he made enough to drive a GT3.

    I remember Bam, Bam's Dad, Johnny, Steve-O, and the midget. Was he in a lot of the skits or do all the random people on that show make tons of cash.

  • In reply to dutsami:

    He was pretty much there from the start, he was a welder, so he didn't come from cash like Bam, or (probably) Knoxville.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I'd have bet a precisous body part that he was loaded.

    I'd have put the over/under on the BAC at about .15 and taken the over, too.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    He actually tweeted a photo of him and his buds drinking a couple of hours before the crash. They looked loaded then all right.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Too much chatter now for this not to go down. Looks like we may have football sooner rather than later boys!

    http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=jc-cole_nfl_year_could_start_by_july_15_062111

  • In reply to gpldan:

    nasty

  • In reply to Crowned:

    One of the best movies... ever.

    "If they're the wilcats, why do they have a goat as a mascot?

    ...and why do they keep ringing that FUCKING bell!!!"

    Fitness for a king, better than diamond rings... football: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CfnKEYAbyo

  • In reply to Crowned:

    You oogly you oogly ... my momma say you oogly ...

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Felony charges dropped against Garrett Wolfe for inciting violence against police. Must have been provoked by an aggressive cop.

    It's innocent before proven guilty; not vice versa. For the past decade, this has been a dangerous shift in the American justice system. When you got fools popping caps in their own leg, getting involved in the drug game, making sex tapes peeing on teens, and forgetting their fifteenth kid's name, I understand how persepectives get skewed. But, the presumption of innocence is as important as the role of a jury system in our country.

    Wolfe is guilty of being a seventh round talent picked in the third. Thank you Jerry Angelo.

  • In reply to Crowned:

    i'm laughing right now because mentally i just pictured a music video montage of all of the actions you just described set to a Montell Jordan-esque slow jam.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MT6ywRdZTy4&feature=related

  • In reply to gpldan:

    http://www.videovat.com/videos/883/dave-chappelle-peeonyou.aspx

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I think for Mexico to have much to say about it they need to start enforcing their own side of the fence better. Their neglect at preventing those people from attempting to cross in the first place helped lead to that man's death.

  • In reply to dutsami:

    Or we could get our boys out of the imperialist quadmire of the mideast and secure our border. But that would be in the name of the common defense and therefore more-or-less constitutional.

    And we could never have THAT in this country!

  • In reply to Mastodon:

    +1

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I hope we get Santonio Holmes.

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    Holmes is not a "Martz kinda guy". He's a great out route runner, at one point perhaps the best in the game at that route.

    Rice isn't a Martz system guy either, really. I have a hard time picking out somebody who would be good in this system. Maybe like Colston of the Saints, a smart role player with big skills.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Of the actual FA on the list here:

    http://www.footballsfuture.com/2011/fa/wr.html

    If I were Jerry (and I should have his job, I'm sure I could do it better) I would go for Jones:

    http://www.footballsfuture.com/2011/fa/wr.html

    Jones can take Hester's spot at the 1, he can play in inclement weather, he's got top speed, and you deprive your rivals of a needed weapon. Health is not an issue, knees are not an issue. Only his hands are an issue and his tendency to drop the big ball.

    I am not on the Rice bandwagon, I think Jones is a better pick-up. I think Martz would like him.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I'm cool with Jones if we get a top name Dend or Oline.

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    I could see Jerry making a play for the Falcon's Dahl.

    http://www.footballsfuture.com/2011/fa/ol.html

    Dahl >>>> Garza. Bear Jew and Dahl would be a HUGE upgrade right side. Forte would be elated.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Yeah. I have hopes for upgrades on the online. They need to do it but hell, I want a guard more than a L and R tackle.

    Reason being is as much as everyone hates Webb and being scared of Bear jew playing, I think it will be for the best.

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    Harvey Dahl (ATL)

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    ???

    Uhhh, you missed the last sentence Erik, "Expect both to re-sign in Atlanta."

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Lol Dude.. expect.. Not they will resign.

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    ahhhhh Erik, youth is so optimistic. It's lovely and refreshing.

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    What about M Floyd ? He is 6'5" and seems to have some speed. S Rice is 6'4" and J Jones is only 6'1". S Holmes is 5' 11" and seems to me similar to Johnny Knoxville and the rest of our smurfs. Wonder if Diego will try hard to keep Floyd since they also have V Jack.

  • In reply to GuinnessPlease:

    Preaching to the choir Guinny. Now you're on my bandwagon. We

  • In reply to GuinnessPlease:

    OK, so we want S.Rice, M.Floyd, M.Sims-Walker, J Jones, S. Holmes, Ocho, Steve Smith, T.O., Moss, in that order?

    They all have their drawbacks, or else they wouldn't be UFAs

  • In reply to KissMyButkus:

    Thanks 85, I am just wanting Holmes because he is clutch and will catch anything. Can't go wrong there.

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    yeah, the one major draw back to him is that he's not 6'5.

    Other drawbacks:

    S. Rice - injury/fluke?
    M.Floyd - not V.Jack
    M. Walker - another Bennett?
    J.Jones - questionable hands
    Ocho - really?
    T.O - really, really?
    S.Smith - past prime/injury prone
    Burress - just got out of prison for shooting his own leg

  • In reply to KissMyButkus:

    Floyd's going nowhere, most likely V-Jack is out of there? Holmes is a pothead. Ocho is too much mouth 4 me, I like to like my Bears, Sims-Walker in a second. No to the imp. Yes to either T.O or Randy. They can't make us worse. Can they?

  • In reply to GuinnessPlease:

    Jones plays a HUGE 6'1 because he is fucking huge and can't be muscled around. Holmes is barely 6'0 but he is a wide receiver in the truest sense of the word. he is not a trackstar playing WR. He is big time.

  • In reply to GuinnessPlease:

    NOPE. These players are fuckin greedy lil fucks. I want football but I know this isnt a fair deal. Say NO!

  • In reply to Grizzly559:

    Tell me you are trolling.

  • In reply to Grizzly559:

    Yeah man Fres... wtf is going on mang?

    Did one of those packer clowns steal your shit? You been posting some random shit lately.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Could Fres really be Al Davis, closet Bear Fan?

  • In reply to Grizzly559:

    http://www.directv.com/footballcops/default.html

    Could those tow dbags get any worse? My god, I though it was going to be somewhat funny. It wasn't... at all. Just bad.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    It doesn't say for kids but the pictures are hillarious

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    laugning all the way to the bizz-nank. More power to them but what a pair of tools.

  • In reply to Grizzly559:

    I'm serious! Weren't alot o you guys sayin that owners take all the risks? Well yes they do. So why are they gonna split the money almost 50/50? The owners should be proposing the deals not the players. I want football bad too but I don't want to see these players become more bigheaded and mOney infatuated than what they already are.

  • In reply to GuinnessPlease:

    Yeah totally, I mean what's the point in signing a receiver who's 6'0? Surely they would only bring in one FA - so he's got to be a big ball-getter or what's the point. Just wait for Brandon Marshall to screw the pooch and then go get him at bargain-basement prices. Re-connect the partnership that hooked up 100+ times a season, and then really see the value of Hester when everyone is looking the other way. Damn, Forte, Olsen, KD, Bennett, stop those boys if Marshall is on the field!

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Yeah, I've been hoping to import Dahl and Clabo since the season ended, but like you said, they will prob re-sign - that entire organization believes their one piece away from a SB, and it's gonna be hard to pry them away.

    OF course, cold hard cash, gold, bitcoins, lilies, or whatever other currency one chooses to believe always seems to persuade.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I agree wholeheartedly.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I think Holmes is a better shot than Rice or any of the others.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Holmes is a Martz guy, pretty much the definition of a Martz guy....He's going to get big paper from front-butt in Jersey

  • In reply to MASOCHR:

    More of a reason for us to get him.

  • In reply to MASOCHR:

    FUP?

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Kill Whitey

  • In reply to MASOCHR:

    Fuck yeah!!! Kill Whi...

    ...wait...

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Panther Power

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Henry Melton taking his vitamins this offseason:

    http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AlKuA6cS9VA.8b1xMW8h1KNDubYF?slug=pfw-20110622_nfc_north_best_bets_to_break_through_in_2011

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    I thought he was on the Clay Matthew's diet?

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    Ha! I love Matthews and his gay hair. That dude is an animal.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    I really don't like the hair lol It looks like he never washes it or anything, I bet something lives in it lol

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    260 to 290 is a big ass jump.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    that is a recipe for an achilles tendon tear. i hope his frame can handle that increase in size. If i remember correctly he had the legs of a dump truck so i think he'll be fine.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I think he went on Kirstie Allen diet. Zing!

    I want to say that 290 is big for him, but then I remember that T.Harris was around that. As long as he keeps his explosion, acceleration, it's all good. If not, we already have an Anthony Adams.

    Now, if only he can start jumping out of pools.

  • In reply to KissMyButkus:

    Harris was bigger and he didn't start out his career in COLLEGE! as a running back.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    30lbs? There goes the guy that could chase them down, but whatever ...

  • In reply to gpldan:

    what? they are great receivers, right? well then I think they are any kind of "Martz Guys"

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    Finally, football .... it took me a half an hour just to get down this far ...

    Nothing against weed mang, but not for my receivers.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    The problem didn't start until we INCREASED border security and drug laws in the late 80's, at least in the midwest. I used to work with Mexicans at a golf course, and many worked on farms nearby. They would come up for the season and then go home. When border security increased, they started to become permanent residents and take the risks to bring their families here. The War on Drugs only increased the problem. Not only did the US government turn Columbia into a narco state, now the US government has turned Mexico into a narco state right on our southern border. I think the US would be a better place if all drug laws were repealed and Congress passed no new laws for 10 years than the state of current affairs.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    +1

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    )eppers is in the top 10. Impressed? I am. It shows how dangerously good he is. Glad I have his jersey. Coaches and players get fear boners from him every game. Ohhh btw, does this prove he isn't a slacker?

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    No TO... He is out till November.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    Nic elist: http://eatocracy.cnn.com/2011/06/27/berrong-on-beer-going-big-on-west-coast-brews/?&hpt=hp_c2

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I'm stuck on Dogfish Head 60 minute IPA. Can't really buy anything else for the last 6 or 7 months.

  • In reply to Crowned:

    Hmmm... will have to try. New Belgium keeps putting out new flavahs, so I keep having to get through those. It's a tough gig, but...

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    If you like hoppiness, this one's for you.

  • In reply to Crowned:

    I've heard about Dogfish Head before, but never run across it in the stores here. I'll kill for a good IPA.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Dogfish Head is a fine choice - go for the 60 or 90 minute. The 120 is a trip, but it ain't what you think of as an IPA. A very complex beer.

  • In reply to Crowned:

    A fine choice, Crown. I tip my glass to you.

    If you want to try a porter with a bit more, have an Avery New World Porter. I never much cared for porters, before that one.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    And for you malt fans, might I suggest Ommegang Abbey Ale? Although not a malty beer fan, I'd go a little out of my way for one of those.

  • In reply to Mastodon:

    I call Ommegang Abbey Ale the poor man's Chimay. I know it well and it is now my weapon of choice now that Chimay is 11.00 per bottle. Ommegang is 5.00

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    Again, Palm, made by Belgian monks. Nectar of the gods.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    http://www.cnn.com/2011/TECH/web/06/26/tech.lulzsec.hackers/index.html?hpt=hp_bn7

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    The Jester posted their real server IP, hosted in a co-lo in Pennsylvania. That was the final straw, I'm sure.

    http://th3j35t3r.wordpress.com/2011/06/25/lulzsecs-cloudflare-configuration/

    I'm still waiting for the news that Hector got picked up by the FBI. He's smart, he may have turned himself in and is now going to throw the rest of his krew under the bus.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Oh, and he's 40, not 30.

    Oh, and the NY Times actually ran a story on the guy on a unrelated matter regarding his mother.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/01/nyregion/01banned.html?pagewanted=all

    So there you go, kids. The face of Lulzsec.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Here's his bestest pal, Tflow

    http://www.linkedin.com/in/solomonsaleh

    This is kind of fun.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Leverage. Now there's a dirty, dirty word.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Got no beef with FRL, anyone who gets away with it, good for them. The scam is a bunch of private hoons owning our money, controlling our money, and the government just sits there like a piss boy, helpless to do anything about it. Tell your congressmen you want the Fed reserve act abolished, that's all that can be done.

  • In reply to dutsami:

    Actually, gold-backed money is a way they can really fk with you. The money doesn't need to be backed by gold or silver, it's just that the supply of the volume has to be controlled by the government, which it currently isn't. The last five minutes of The Secret of Oz explains it pretty well .... and Eva Cassidy sings a purty song ....

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Dude.. have you ever looked at a dollar bill? I mean REALLY looked at it? Now have you looked at it on weed???

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1rdlkF5udM

  • Come on kids.. make it happen and give daddy his football!!

  • In reply to Jlehr:

    Crank the volume:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrnY11pXSFE

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I dunno, this is just not doing it for me.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sJcVo1qruY&feature=related

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Two banger today:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHPB7v_dp2k

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kOHWOisDfw

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