Collinsworth: The Voice of NFL Reason

There are currently about ten or twelve stories on the home page at PFT - the only football-related site I bother to check these days with any regularity.  A quick scan saw the headline Jay Cutler: Bears Are "Locked And Loaded" For Upcoming Workouts.  I read the story and thought, "Cool.  Jay is leading.  That's important."  Then I looked at the rest of the page and saw these two stories:

It is the same experience I had during the NFL Draft.  Excitement for the prospect of this remarkable sport not missing a beat was spoiled by the Schefter reports of the lackout being put back in place.  It ended all enthusiasm I had for the weekend.  I read the Collinsworth piece and quite frankly don't believe anyone has more eloquently or clearly stated the emotionally status of the football-loving public.   Here it is.

"God, I just wish I could get through to somebody," Collinsworth added.  "You know how when you're talking to your kids, and you know positively what the right thing to do is, and you also know they're going to do something else, and there's nothing you can do about it?  That's how I feel now.  And, God, is it painful to watch.

"The game's so good.  The players are making money.  The owners are making money.  The commissioner's got some good safety initiatives going.  The networks are thrilled.  The fans are thrilled.  The game's never been better.  It's time to quit sugarcoating this thing and really start thinking about what the NFL really might look like at the end of the process."

He's referring to the possibility that the players will eventually win the antitrust lawsuit (regardless of whether the lifting of the lockout while the case proceeds is upheld on appeal), that the players won't make significant concessions from the ensuing position of ultimate leverage, and that the league will eventually say, "Screw it.  Let's have no rules.  Let's be baseball."

Brilliant.  Just brilliant.

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  • Pretty shocking words, "Collinsworth: The Voice of NFL Reason"

    Definitely a FIRST.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    MB...I second that!

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    did you see how I did that?

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    I did lobo my man, I did.

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    He's referring to the possibility that the players will eventually win the antitrust lawsuit (regardless of whether the lifting of the lockout while the case proceeds is upheld on appeal), that the players won't make significant concessions from the ensuing position of ultimate leverage, and that the league will eventually say, "Screw it. Let's have no rules. Let's be baseball."

    That is a contradictory statement. If the players achieve a league organized like Baseball, the league may lose, but the players win and win big in the short term.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I'd qualify that last statement by saying "a subset of" players would win big in the short term - a "no ceiling, no floor" environment would be even worse for the non-marquee name players than the increasingly byzantine salary cap system we have now.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    the small markets would be screwed as well as the smaller non marquee players.

    This madness has to end. i had decided to buy a Cutler jersey and some cool attire from the website and now they can go fuck themselves. I wish all of the fans could pledge not to spend one cent on traditional NFL profit makers until this debacle is resolved. Me not purchasing merchandise won't do shit if 3 million other people decide to keep doing it.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    I'm not buying jackshit until the lockout is over.
    And I've spent a ton of money the last few years on the NFL between tickets, jerseys, time on the internet discussing it with you yahoos, bobbleheads, beers at the stadium, etc.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Yahoos!?!?

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Fucking hilarious: http://www.snpp.com/guides/chalkboard.openings.html

    Couple favs:
    * I do not have diplomatic immunity
    * The nurse is not dealing

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I used to be an AVID baseball fan.

    That's the first pro game Dad took me to. 1960 White Sox Doubleheader vs. Detroit (Sox swept a pair).

    Ted Kluzweski, Little Nell, Little Louie, Sherm Lollar, Minnie Minoso, Jim Landis, "Jungle Jim Rivera, Bill Veeck. Aparcio on at first and the crowd chanting "Go, Go, Go, Go,".

    Shay Torrent at the organ playing "Mexican Hat Dance" between innings.

    The World's first exploding scoreboard.

    I remember being stunned when I asked my Dad if we got to stay for the second game and he said "Yes." Equally stunned when he said the second game was free.

    I was hooked. Followed baseball closely. Boiught the cards. Learned how to compute batting averages and E.R.A.s and how to score. Played in a Strat-O-Matic baseball league for over 25 years. Replayed the Sox 1964 season with APBA (MY Sox won it all instead of finishing a fgame back of the Yanks).

    But all then labor crap, a clown for commissioner for the last 20 years, an attitude of "What's good for the Yankees and Red Sox is good for baseball" and finally, shortened seasons and CANCELLING a World Series just to show "whose is bigger" (in a season where the White Sox were leading their division) was too much and just numbed me from avid to casual. REALLY casual.

    If they asked me "You can have Baseball or The NFL but you can't have both, I just flip on "BVEAR DOWN< CHACGO BEARS" and tell them "That's a no-brainer. I find it incredible to think the NFL wants to follow THAT model. Many NFL teams cannot / will not thrive in the basball model (Are you listing, Cheeseheads?). And other teams will just CHOOSE not to compete (i.e. spend the necessary money) (Are you listing, McCaskeys?). I present the Chicago Blackhawks under William Wirtz "take the money and run" philosophy. From 1998 to 2008, ONE (brief) playoff appearance when Mr. Wirtz just collected money and allowed his franchise, a CORNERSTONE frnchise of the original NHL, to whither and die as favorite star player after favorite star player(Chelios, Roenick, Amonte, Belfour, etc.) were dumped or just allowed walk away and take their considerable skills to other franchises. The fact that NHL Commissioner, Gary Bettman just sat back and allowed that to continue for so long is an indictment of his "leadership" and partially explains why the NHL became it's own brand of messed-up. If Collinworth is right, you'll need to become Cowboys, Redskins or Giants fans. And THAT, as they say boys and girls, will suck raw eggs.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Collinsworth is a douche. A sell-out to the owners, selling FUD.

    "We can't let the players prevail, because then the owners will just go completely lasseiz-faire! It will be like - GASP - Baseball! Ohez Noez!"

    Despite all the players wanting is to finish out the CBA and continue this year as last year, same rules.

    It's all part of a concentrated effort to make the players the enemy. The people who are doing this to you. It's right out of the Wal-Mart union busting handbook.

    Tell Chris to go fuck himself. The owners would deserve every bot of congressional oversight they got if they just threw the league structure out the window.

    Here's what a liar Collinsworth is: He arguing that the owners would do the one thing that they are fighting AGAINST, he's saying that if the players prevail, then the owners will throw the league open wide.

    When, the whole point of this exercise, is for the smaller markets to get some taste of all that grape juice that Jerry Jones is stomping down in Texas.

    See through the smoke, Al.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    That's muy point. I will not bother to try and "see thru" any smoke, no matter who's trying to blow it up my fanny. I will just look AWAY.

    BTW, the 8th circuit court basically just told Judge Nelson to stick her ruling up her ass.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    No they didn't. Sticking it in her ass would be to overturn her ruling. Which they cannot without wiping their ass with precedent law.

    They just upheld the stay, allowing the lockout to continue.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Taj Gibson, by the way, is a grown-ass-man.
    Anybody else watch the game last night?

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    How about that little WASP Spinner that Bosh is sporting as an accessory?

    http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/lists-that-actually-matter/2011/05/which-heat-ballers-were-bawlers-after-game-1.html

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Damn, dude looks like a fucking stick. And what's up with the midget jen simpson look-a-like?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Money can't buy Spanx, evidently.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    D. Wade getting Taj Mahal'd:

    http://youtu.be/BmN-MIbvLks

    That's my hard hat lunch pail guy.

  • In reply to Crowned:

    I loved this one too. Cherry on the sundae dunk.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOOeMg7eqYM

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Yea, the tip one was even better than the poster on Wade. I started doing the Shaq True Fu-Schnick dance after that one. Taj has been beasting since day 1 of entering the league. Now, all we have to do is stop Chris Posh.

  • In reply to Crowned:

    Hee!

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    WCG Bears Over/unders:

    1). Sacks allowed: 48.5

    2). Cutler Pass Attemps: 490

    3). Cutler Passer Rating: 88.1

    4). Forte Total Yards (recieving & rushing): 1650

    5). Sacks for Defense: 40

    6). Bears net turnovers: +4

    7). Regular season victories: 10.5

  • In reply to brocklanders:

    1). Under

    2). Over

    3). Under

    4). Under

    5). Under

    6). Push

    7). Under

  • In reply to brocklanders:

    I took the over on Santa Cruz burning to the ground when the next big one hits.

    Just FYI.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    That's not really a quantitative measure, so an over/under would be inappropriate in this case.

  • In reply to brocklanders:

    Then neither is the regular season at the current juncture.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    It looks like Sean Jensen is putting himself in a position to be the Bears inside man when it comes to stories and new scoops. See what happens when you don't try to create controversy with every story you write? Take notes fellow hack writers (King, Pompei, Cole, Banks, MacNeil, insert name of shitty beat writer here, etc. Stop jumping on the bandwagon and the piling on and focus on the stories. Jensen just got some serious leverage.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    Zack Zaidman has a way better beat on the Bears inner happenings that Asian Big Bird.

  • In reply to Crowned:

    agreed mang, i just like that Jay feels like Jensen won't throw him under the bus when writing an article and will actually quote him without following the quote with "said the much maligned qb who was accused of sitting out the 2nd half of the NFC Championship game with what some are calling a mild knee sprain."

    How can you open up to the media here when media jobs are actually more secure if you fail or if there is controversy? Prominient Chicago sports radio host Dan MacNeil actually admitted that he wanted the Bears to fail and wanted Cutler to fail. Unashamedly admitted it. Spent the whole fucking season waiting for the shoe to drop and made sure to mention it all the time. i asked Boers and Bernstein to comment on MacNeil's stance on air and they refused to get involved. that is how bad it is here in chicago.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    B&B suck.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I like it when none of those guys are on and Hub Arkush has the airwaves for a couple of hours to talk football. Actual football intelligence.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    Have to agree. Hub is a pleasure to listen to.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I've been listening to B&B for several months now. All they do is tell everyone that they're stupid and crack inside jokes. And the Boers dude looks like a total child molester. What then hell does baldy McGrindy mean?

  • In reply to Crowned:

    just typical nerds that never played and never could

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    I resemble that remark!

  • In reply to Crowned:

    The only daytime Score show I listen to on podcast is Mully and Hanley. Hub Arkush is good too. DannyMac and B&B just plain suck.

  • In reply to Crowned:

    Baldy McGrindy is what they call one of their interns. He actually went to my highschool or i would have no idea either. They are pretty funny, but when they start ripping on their listeners, i usually change the station.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    Sit the fuck down in front big bird!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I remember that.

  • In reply to brocklanders:

    Edwards doesn't know where he is, who he is, where he should be, tweeting shit he doesn't understand himself

    http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/news/story?id=6555556&campaign=rss&source=NFLHeadlines

  • In reply to gpldan:

    so many idiots, so little time.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    He should hire one of Cromartie's kids as a PA.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Ouch. you're on fire today MBP, good reading.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I must be feeling frisky because the weather in the midwest has finally become rational.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    The Al Davis Rules For Success...
    http://www.eviloverlord.com/lists/overlord.html

  • In reply to gpldan:

    pretty apros prose for this blog: http://uncrate.com/stuff/the-blues-brothers/

    Oh, you have to love an impliment that has the words, "Super Penetration" in the title: http://uncrate.com/stuff/super-penetration-shovel/

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I was going to make a smart-ass remark about killing zombies but...late to the party again, MBP!

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Nice, I'm always on the hunt for good zombie-killing apparatuses (...or is it aparati?).

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    High school Latin is a long, long time ago.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Not as long as it was for me!

  • In reply to iamndmurff:

    You know, and I think this is sad, it is damn near impossible to find a public school system anymore where Latin is taught. Most are focused on Spanish (sure) and French (??), with the occasional German and Russian programs still gasping along. Latin helped me ace my SAT and ACT scores and I know my daughter will be taking it whether she wants to or not.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    When I started out as an altar boy (hard to imagine) it was all in Latin. After a few years we had to learn it in English.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    WHOAH. Just walked in on my boss tell someone on the phone that he has a bloody gooch. I played it off like I never heard it. Anyone know what that is: Coach's Stache?

  • In reply to Crowned:

    I bet Moose Gacy knows.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Oh, and well played with the sudden bout of deafness. Those come in useful in the corporate world.

  • In reply to Crowned:

    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=gooch

    Yow! What the hell was he doing to sustain that injury? I hope he's an avid cyclist.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    That taint no gooch! It just taint!

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    You got it Doc, just taint!

  • In reply to Crowned:

    8th Circuit Court of Appeals to Judge Nelson:

    "Go back to law school, Honey."

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    No. Totally wrong.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Here is an unbiased review of today's ruling:

    http://www.latimes.com/sports/sns-tsn-abn-labor-nfl-p1-20110516,0,7231902.story

    Again, a 2-1 vote (at least one Judge can't be bought) and it only lasts until June 3.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    The true beauty of the internet is that we can all pick the news sources that reinforce our prejudices.

  • In reply to Mastodon:

    Am I just imagining things or didn't we used to have journalists that it was agreed by most to be above reproach? I'm not talking about attacks by the powers that be, but generally speaking...

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Do you mean Keith Olberman and Glenn Beck? If not them, I think your imagining things.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    Bwahahahahahah

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Once the news on TV in the US became a slave to the ratings it's been all downhill for that medium. Now that newspapers are all broke, it's pretty well all over for unbiased news. I watch the BBC once in a while but mostly it's the CBC.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Thats why I read the CS monitor. There isnt a single slant to a single story. Dry, bare facts.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    You are imagining things.

    All the Don Hewitt and Fred Friendly inspired crews, from Morrow to Cronkite to Rather and the 60 Minutes team would be labelled communists by Fox News if they were here today.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    That speaks volumes about Fox "News".

  • In reply to gpldan:

    That speaks volumes about Fox "News".

  • In reply to gpldan:

    That speaks volumes about Fox "News".

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Uh, I guess I made my point. Thanks, Chrome and/or ChicagoNow commentcode.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Lack talks big, says Bears are best team in NFC North, or NFC as a whole, not sure what he meant.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/nfl/news/story?id=6559333

    Either way, after a double Pack spank, I think he should just stick to lifting and avoiding impregnating random women, aka pulling an Arnie.

  • In reply to Mastodon:

    Are you saying the LA Times story is slanted? Reads to me like a straight recital of what happened.

  • In reply to Mastodon:

    I gotta call SC Dave out.

    Dave, please argue the owners side in this? If I am so biased, I wouldn't even ask, right? I would like to know how breaking a CBA in the 4th year of a 6 year deal unilaterally and demanding an 18 game season and a rookie wage scale and a greater percentage of the tv bucks is fair, and what exactly I am not seeing here.

    The floor is yours.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    He is stitching up his bloody gooch.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Did I miss something on a previous string when you and Dave got into it GP?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I don't think I've ever gotten into it with Dave. I just want to hear the owners argument in this one, because as far as I can see, there isn't one.

    He keeps saying I am Pollyanna and see things through some liberal bias. I'd like to know what the "Fair and Balanced" viewpoint is.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    And just to make a real pest of myself again: The Title of this thread is totally wrong. Collinsworth is a voice, but not of reason.

    Reason would dictate that the laws of contracts are binding, that unilaterally breaking a contract in the form of a CBA is wrong, and has redress in the courts.

    Collinsworth argument is, when you boil it down, disgusting and self-serving. It is disgusting, because he is a former player and should stand with the players on this. But his own self-interest in a 18 game season overrides that.

    So, what he gets up and says is "even if the players win in court, they lose."

    And... it's a lie. They don't lose. What Collinsworth is doing is issuing a veiled threat. Capitulate and accept the owners terms for more games and less revenue, or the owners will smash the league wide open, despite it only serving the Big 9 owners.

    It's a bluff. A lie.

    The McCaskeys do not want anything that resembles that. If the players win in court, they demonstrate by law that the NFL is a oligopoly acting in collusion, and their remedy is to play out the remaining two seasons under the existing CBA.

    And that is exactly what will happen. By using delaying tactics, the owners hope to break the players will. A lot of the players are knuckleheads and will be broke by September. Collinsworth is right when he says that. Hookers, blow and 21" dubs cost money.

    And that, the owners hope, will break the union down. Just wait it out. That the 8th court is complicit in the strategy is heinous perversion of the law. They ruled the NFL would be harmed if players could come back and start working out and practicing.

    Think about that. An illegal lockout and contract law Dook Lasanga on the CBA, which is itself illegal, should be allowed to stand because if players came back, it would weaken the owners position to negotiate.

    It amazes me how much ill-will a player will generate if he wants to re-negotiate his contract for more money in the middle of the contract. Sports radio will call him names, fans will call him names, etc etc.

    But if the owners do it? Well, then, it should be considered, because there are two sides to every story. No - there isn't. There is lawful and unlawful civil court breaks with contracts and CBAs. And the owners are unlawful.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    boom. Layin it out. GP going esq on us.

    You go man, you go.

    Here's something to cool you down... or heat you up: http://www.popoholic.com/2011/05/17/kate-upton-is-one-freaking-sexy-bikini-bride/

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Ah-nold says "I vill totally hit zhat."

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/celebrity/la-me-arnold-maria-statement-20110518,0,6007478.story

  • In reply to gpldan:

    yeah he would

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Wouldn't mind at all being Schwarzenegger's love child. We'll be seeing this kid in such sequels as Terminator 18 and The Running Man 2. If it's a girl, well, it would be cool to say you smashed Schwarzenegger's daughter...while watching Twins. (Kelly Preston is hot)

  • In reply to gwill:

    This is the kid.

    http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/81509022/

    He's already got distant relatives in Vienna teaching him cyborg skills for T8.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    The Sperminator.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    MB, I think you may have a "thing" for Miss Upton.

  • In reply to Crowned:

    Herpe Sores on his gooch, that part between your sack and ahole. The GOOCH!

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Know the saying, "It's aaaaall good in englewood"? We'll it ain't.

    Life's Haaaurd on the streets yo: http://www.cnn.com/2011/SHOWBIZ/celebrity.news.gossip/05/16/rapper.m.bone.killed/index.html?hpt=P1&iref=NS1

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    They got BONE! HELL NAW!

  • In reply to Crowned:

    yeah Crown... he was actually Montae Talbert... which is a whole lot less tough of a name.

    Maybe I should change mine to MB30THUGLIFEKILLA?

  • In reply to Crowned:

    yeah Crown... he was actually Montae Talbert... which is a whole lot less tough of a name.

    Maybe I should change mine to MB30THUGLIFEKILLA?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    whoa... double post. And I didn't even do anything. Strange.

  • In reply to Crowned:

    oh, and don't forget to pour some out for a homie tonight when you get home Crown.

  • In reply to Crowned:

    Base on today's ruling, I were a player, I wouldn't be getting all excited about that hearing in June before the 8th ciruit court of appeals.

    In other words...

    "I don't think we're in Minnesota anymore, Toto."

  • In reply to Crowned:

    http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/05/16/france.imf.2002.allegation/index.html?hpt=P1&iref=NS1

    How does this shit happen? I mean jesus christ. Actually, I've seen the biggest morons/nut jobs continually get promoted just because there's no better option, and the person kisses ass/bullshits like a fucking comicbook hero.

    Never mind, I just answered my own hypothetical question.

  • In reply to Crowned:

    Uncanny: http://insidetv.ew.com/2011/05/16/game-change-ed-harris-mccain-photo/?hpt=T2

    Love me some Ed Harris

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Yeah he's a great actor!

  • In reply to Crowned:

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/16/appeals-court-grants-nfls-motion-for-stay-lockout-still-on/ This feels more and more like a bad dream. I am a random Norwegian guy, and only been a fan of the game since 06, and I am heartbroken over this shit. I Cant imagen how you guys feel.

  • In reply to skjaeveland:

    We've seen it before, although we all hoped to not see it again. The reason the NFL became #1 is because baseball screwed it up. And (American) football is about to do the same...

  • In reply to Crowned:

    Ed Harris: ALWAYS a compelling film presence.

  • In reply to Crowned:

    So how do you guys feel about this: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/16/rahm-emanuel-inauguration_0_n_862362.html

  • In reply to Crowned:

    Richie knows when to get off stage.

    The coffers are empty.

    "Hasta La Vista, Rahm!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Strangely, he is not the first Mbone to die.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mbone

    Little nerd humor there.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    wow GP.

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    Want a real voice of reason:

    http://www.anoffcamberworld.com/2011/01/more-on-labor-mess.html

    This is not about millionaires vs. billionaires, and the players aren't the ones really vying for control. They are like school teachers, being asked to take pay cuts to make up budget shortfalls while big wigs still get corporate welfare that dwarfs their collective salaries in the form of tax subsidies.

    Don't get snowed by a con man like Collinsworth. He's an ex Lawyer I believe, and he sells that snake oil.

    What this is about is Jerry Jones and Dan Snyder vs. NFL. The players are pawns in that game.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Occasionally the owners forget that without their co-owners they have no product to sell. Jerry Jones figures people would show up at his stadium to watch the Cowboys play Sister Margaret's Home for the Indigent.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Jerry pioneered the concept that when you buy a ticket to a football game, all you are entitled to is a CHANCE at a seat.

    God Bless Texas.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I remember when he bought the team thinking to myself, "Self, that guy's a self-promoting douche." and he has spent the last 25 years proving me right.
    Oh well, he is still fabulously wealthy so I guess that counts for something.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    He has a law degree but I don't think you can really call him an "ex Lawyer"; he's been in broadcasting ever since he retired from football....

  • In reply to brocklanders:

    Yeah, one would think one has to practice law to be called a lawyer...

  • In reply to gpldan:

    You view of the world is awfully tinted, GP. Nothing is as easy as it seems.

  • In reply to Mastodon:

    I'd say this lockout is as black and white as it gets.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    You would, and that's exactly my point.

  • In reply to Mastodon:

    Please by all means, argue the owners side.

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/284250-cutler-planning-secret-workouts?sct=hp_bf2_a5&eref=sihp

    Ooh, ooh, ooh.... super-secret leadership meat, wrapped in a snug little blanket of mystery workout pastry, smothered in sweet, sweet offensive cohesion drippings.

    Your turn Lach

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Briggsy tried to attend, but he drove another Lambo into a bridge.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    life's tough when you're out of work and down on your luck GP. Poor guy.

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