Open Debate: Second Round Draft Pick

There will not be much variety when it comes to my analysis of the 2011 Chicago Bears draft.  I am more than on record as saying I believe the team should use each and every pick on an offensive lineman and hope they strike gold a few times.  They have no other pressing position on their roster.  If they solidify their club up front, they can easily win the NFC.

ere are two players I like in the second round.

RODNEY HUDSON G/C FLORIDA STATE

Video of Performance: Click here.  (He's #62)

Analysis from O-Line World: Click here.

Upside: Hudson is often applauded for his "nasty" and his versatility on the line (he's believed to be a future center).  He is also a terrific athlete with no history of health problems.

Downside: LeCharles Bentley says, " Some coaches may believe he can play guard in the NFL based on his ability to anchor.  The reality is he would be a great guard for about a season in the NFL because physically it's very difficult to be the nail and not the hammer week to week in the NFL.  Every defensive coordinator will instruct their 330lb DT's to bull rush Rodney every single snap with the intent of breaking him."

My Take: The Bears need to have an heir apparent for Olin Kreutz in place by the end of the 2011 season as OK can't have many more season left in the Hawaiian tank.  Hudson can fill the guard slot for a year and shift over for 2012 if he's able.

But I'd prefer...

 DANNY WATKINS G BAYLOR

Video of Performance: Click here.

Upside: From Beyond the Combine - "Delivers a good initial punch. Physical in the run game, finishes off blocks, plays with a nasty attitude. Drops hips well,  Plays with good pad-level, good feet. An intelligent prospect that understands blocking schemes. Great upper body strength, plays with good posture, very patient. Good balance and body control. Showed at the Senior Bowl that he can anchor against the bull-rush on a consistant basis."

Downside: From Shutdown Corner - "The former part-time firefighter (he went to Butte because of the school's Fire Sciences program) will turn 27 years old in November, which may give potential NFL suitors pause as much as his lack of experience -- his age could make him a one-contract guy. Doesn't possess great second-level agility, but may be able to modify his technique over time to fit a zone-combo scheme. Watkins' natural ability to adopt a new position will be tested by more complex NFL defenses -- it wouldn't be surprising if he struggles at first as his technique catches up to his raw ability."

My Take: A 27 year-old Canadian with experience as both a firefighter and a hockey player.  Yes, you could say I want this guy on the Chicago Bears.

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  • First to say, what are we going to do if none of those offensive players is not there?

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    I have a feeling Tice is on the case.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    Waffle..I get feeling also.

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    Waffle, you have to post on this thread where you found Irish lurking. Artoo, never fear someone will be there, lets just hope that our "can't miss" choice comes through.

  • In reply to iamndmurff:

    He was railing against the constitutionality of our income tax system on "Today's Chicago Woman" or TCW.

    http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/todays-chicago-woman-jobs-money-opinion/2011/03/5-important-tax-savings-tips-to-use-before-april-15.html

    Fucking Awesome.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    Brilliant.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Oh man thats hilarious! My question to people that take Irish's stance is "what country with less govt. and lower taxes than ours would you like to live in?" I cant think of one

  • In reply to Jlehr:

    Ask people that question outside of America Sac and you'd be very surprised at the answer. A national debt (to the Federal Reserve) that spirals further and further into the unpayable. Bankrupt since 1933. Understand who is receiving your national debt repayments and that they cost $700 trillion dollars (paid to private banks for the privilege of using your own currency) when you paid out $65 for education in 2009. That's not a balance sheet many people would go for man.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    I've been so preoccupied with my Bulls that I haven't been posting on here as much, let alone been doing my research on upcoming draft prospects. All I know is first and foremost the Bears need an O-lineman, then CB, then DT, then LB, and a project WR. Hopefully the front office can grow a ballsack and somehow sneak back into the 1st round and snag an O-lineman and CB. Also, half of our special teams will be gone in FA. At the very least, we need guys who are all around solid tacklers.

  • In reply to Joseph:

    We are in the first round.

  • In reply to iamndmurff:

    #29 baby! Perfect spot for an overrated TE or RB.. maybe even a DE. Awesome!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    They need something new for the draft. When your teams turn comes up, they flash what the three top rated players. Then we text JA which one to draft and we get the fans choice draft! Do it just for the first round. That would put some excitement into draft day.

  • In reply to iamndmurff:

    Meant move up and get 2 1st round picks

  • In reply to Joseph:

    btw, just looking at your avatar pisses me off Joe. Damn it.

  • In reply to Joseph:

    quick, Joe, change your avatar to a kitten and a baby.

  • In reply to Joseph:

    3 players listed on cb.com: http://www.chicagobears.com/index.html

    Solder - OL
    Ayers - LB
    Liuget - DE

    Jerry's telegraphing his draft day strateegery. Next they're going to list a 5' 9" project nickelback out of south west east Tallahassee state 2-year community primary school for the athletically devoid.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Pouncey would be a great fit because of the versatility but there are other dudes that will probably be good NFL players. I won't jump off a bridge if we don't get Pouncey, especially since the Giants might take him at 18 but if we don't get a big name at O-line and instead opt for Defense i will be surprised. If we draft a corner, and that corner is less than 5'11 and comes from some tiny ass school I will be livid.

    Where the fuck did Zack Bowman go? I thought he was going to be a bad mother. I hope he shows up this year. He has all of the tools to be a solid defender.

    Why am i all over the place with this post you ask? I just drank 2 red bulls to stay awake after the little one decided it wasn't in her best interest to sleep last night. I tried to use reason and logic with her but she is 10 months old so all she did was yell Dada! and scratch me face while laughing.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    "scratch me face" : that's pirate for scratch my face.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    Arrrrrrrrrr... matey.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    New game: Whose shit is worst? WSIW!

    First selection on WSIW: Bears QB

    A. Craig Krenzel
    B. Todd Collins
    C. Cade McNown
    D. Will Furrer
    E. Rick Mirer
    F. Henry Burris

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I'm going with a tie between Rick and Cade. They were both supposed to be awesome and instead caused the abuse of many cans of Miller Genuine Draft in the early to mid nineties.

    For the record. Stork may be one of the worst fucking Qb's i've ever seen. It looked like he literally couldn't throw a football against Carolina and Green Bay. I mean he couldn't throw it 10 fucking yards without it bouncing. Fucking Martz. At least Hanie has some fucking testicles and some skill.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    That's exactly what I was going to say Waffle. They were both total busts and both cost a 1st rounder.
    I was trying to think of my favorite Bears at each position since the mid-70's, and I couldn't come up with anyone from the 90's. Kruetz in 98? I guess Raymont Harris is my favorite ultra-back. I rode him to the Super Bowl in an early Madden game. My mind has just blocked out most of the 90's.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    Don't remember the Nineties either.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    If the question is WSTBW (who shit the bed worst?), it has to be Vlasic Collins.

    His incompetence behind center cost us a trip to the Super Bowl.
    The other guys, regardless of contract size or draft pick status, will always pale in comparison to his heap of poop in the sheets.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    I've not seen as bad a display at the position than that which TC provided this year. How that mofo was playing in the GB game after his previous fiasco will always have us thinking What-If?

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Second Selection on WSIW: Bears DL

    A. Tank Johnson
    B. Michael Haynes
    C. Dan Bauzin
    D. John Thierry
    E. Mark Anderson
    F. Russel Davis
    G. Carl Simpson

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Haynes, with Thierry being a close second. Haynes just flat out sucked and Thierry was a never ending "project".

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    It all comes down to where they were drafted. Totally agree with ya Cor. Same with QB's. We trade a #1 for a guy who already had busted. The only reason that isn't the worst for me is The Cadester was my least favorite Bear, E.V.E.R. Fuck, I hate that guy. Still pisses me off. That's one huge check mark in the plus column for JA. He gave that worthless, whiny, piece of shit the keys to the street as soon as he was hired.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    I was so pissed when the Bears drafted Cade. The guy didn't have the arm strength in college to throw an out pattern, let alone in the pros. I remember telling my friends he'll never make it in the pros after he threw a pick six in the Rose Bowl.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    Cor, I don't watch college ball so I didn't know anything about him other than he stole his best friend's girlfriend (granted she was a playboy centerfold, but that's really the sign of an asshole) and he got nailed for a fake handicapped parking sticker (that's just about as low as you can go). All I could think was this guy is going to lead the team? Then he blamed the receivers for getting tired during games when he over threw them. The final straw was doing zero prep for the SF game and we never crossed midfield all day. I can accept a guy being short on talent, being a dim bulb, etc.

    My favorite memory of him was after all the Bears fans turned on him and his mother defended him in the press and called out the Bears fans. Fucking Classic!!!!!!!!

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    +1

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    So the Judge is going to hustle up her decision and have it in...about two weeks.

    Two weeks?

    C'mon, lady, this ain't BROWN VS. BOARD OF EDUCATION or the Abortion issue.

    Make a decision.

    The "loser" is going to appeal no matter WHAT you rule so just pass the buck and let's move on.!

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Haynes. 1st round collossal bust. Tank could play, Bauzin was a low pick, Anderson had a great rookie year, and I don't know who the other two are.

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    Both Russell Davis and Carl Simpson were 2nd rounders. We're Bears fans, and we haven't even heard of them!

    I tried not to include 4th or below, FA, etc.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Nice posts GP. I was thinking of starting a post last night about your favorite Bears by position since you can remember. I'm still struggling with my top two receivers since 1976.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    Curtis Conway and Jeff Graham.

    Graham got shafted by Wanny, but his 95 season was epic.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Dennis McKinnon. I loved that guy. Not very big but he'd fuck with D-Backs constantly when he didn't have the ball.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    McKinnon was a good punt returner also. I agree with Conway.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    I loved McKinnon and little Dennis Gentry, but I'd have to go with Gault and Waddle. Speed and possession. Walter and Neal at HB, Suhey at FB.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    +1

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    damn http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/276710-tweeting-pouncey-shocked-if-hes-not-in-dallas-uniform

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Nothing like lobbying for a job! I read an article about him and apparently his shotgun snaps aren't all that accurate. Seemed odd. It's not like Olin is the Zen Master of shotgun snaps, so I don't find that a big deal. Esp with Martz's offense. Why give a guy an extra second to survey the field when you can have him drop back and meet the other team's defense while setting up?

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Ha! Exactly.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I think Hallmark should come out with a card to celebrate occasions like this;

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/sns-ap-us-lebrons-mom-arrested,0,6591968.story

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    To her, I dedicate my favorite Ween song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxMafF6mj1E

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    He needs to be a little more angry! Not exactly my cup of tea but if you had a righteous buzz on and saw them live, I'm sure it would be memorable.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Ween is an unbelievable live show.

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    I'm pretty sure I'd have to get off to the side out of harm's way. I don't listen to that type of music but I'd have no problem seeing them live. That exchange of energy (feeding from the stage to the audience and back to the band) is awesome. I love that stuff.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    That song is a bit of an anomoly. They're really all over the map, and hella funny. Great musicians. They're like chamelions. They do songs that sound like they're doing impressions of bands, but they write the songs. Like songs that sound like Motorhead, Floyd, Thin Lizzy, on and on. And then they have their own flavor. Here are a few for you to sample. The first is also my favorite:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y--KHIey-xo

    And this one sounds like Thin Lizzy:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFbTbSsb6f0

    And this one is completely their own:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWZZgEe6eu4

    And this classic eighties style video. The two guys are the the guys in the band, Gene and Dean Ween:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yarfOFdopQ0&feature=related

    If the rest of you music lovers out there, don't know Ween, but you like good music, great guitar, and funny funny shit. You have to get on the Ween wagon.

    They're the stallions.....Mang.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    That song is a bit of an anomaly. They do all kinds of stuff. I swear some of their stuff is meant to be impressions of other bands. Songs that sound just like Thin Lizzy, Motorhead, Floyd, The Beattles, on and on. But they're not covers. Ween writes the song, but it sure seems they're at least paying homage to some of they're favorite bands. I can't post all the links on one post, or the blog owner will hold my comment for approval, but here a few. They are a funny funny band.

    This is my other favorite: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y--KHIey-xo

    This one sounds like Thin Lizzy:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFbTbSsb6f0

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    These two are classic funny Ween:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yarfOFdopQ0&feature=related

    and part I of a five part song:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWZZgEe6eu4

    They are the Stallions....Mang.

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    And three last ones for ya:

    This one is their farewell to Jerry Garcia: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04VT9becM3A

    These last two are classic Ween:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpGFAMlZsmE&feature=related

    and

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYEO_WZUGcY&feature=related

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    And two last ones for ya:

    This one is their farewell to Jerry Garcia: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04VT9becM3A

    These last two are classic Ween:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpGFAMlZsmE&feature=related

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    Okay, one more:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYEO_WZUGcY&feature=related

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    My brother-in-law has been trying to get me to a Ween show. I think I'll go check them out next time they are around.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    OK, so now the Players say "Let's go back to mediation".

    And, guess what, the Owners say "Let's go back to mediation".

    YAY!

    Except(you KNOW what's coming)...

    Now they CAN'T AGREE on a mediator!

    D'OH!

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Get George Mitchell. If he can get the Catholics and Protestants in Northern Ireland to come to an agreement, he can get the NFL to agree on something.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    Man Cor, I loved WHAM!... that freedom video was pretty nice too. good stuff.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/article/20110407/PKR01/110407086/0/WIS1001/Bears-might-their-eye-Jenkins?odyssey=nav|head

    Uh huh

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    i feel like i predicted this. I like Cullen Jenkins and he didn't end the season on IR so he is not really rehabbing any serious injury. he is just going to be really healthy when the season starts. Pep, Jenkins??, Izzy, Toe, Melton,Adams, Harrison, DL from draft? Who gets the axe because we know we can't keep everyone.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    She Dog Gone wasted again. http://www.youtube.com/user/SolarEXtract#p/u/4/1FU4gZtSYeo

    She should mellow out on this. http://www.youtube.com/user/SolarEXtract#p/u/8/w_wPvSYaQcM
    ***Shameless promotion of my friends and their old band.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    It's always nice to have musicians for friends. They always have a different way of looking at things that's very refreshing.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Canada, we seem to have some similar interests in music. Tell me what you think of this young lassie from across the pond. She's young, but she's the best young female blues/rock guitar player I've ever heard, and she's a pretty good solo player(singer) also. I just pre-ordered her first CD.
    Mellow:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSoGYOmeLXE

    Stevie Ray:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zD5-QSVU58g
    She does some great covers of Jimi, Blind Faith, Jethro Tull, Joe Bonnamasa, T-Bone Walker, etc. Never plays a song the same way twice. I think she's a future star.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    I have to throw one more at ya Canada, some Jethro Tull A New Day Yesterday.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIIbV4c6w2M

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    Doc, Bauzin was a 2nd rounder. He should have been a low pick but ... JA followed up that gem of a pick with Okwo. When you're hot, you're hot!

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    Bazuin was a second-rounder. Went on IR before the season started.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Don't forget about Alonzo Spellman now.

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    I think we forget, but Spellman had a dominant season. He was Peppers for a year. Not a mega bust, but nowhere near his potential. That was made worse by getting moved from DE to DT and back.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I vote for Haynes. A true top 20 pick, and nothing. Nada. Jack shit.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Right there with ya GP.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Definitely Mirer. We used a first round pick on him after he had three years to prove he sucked. Usually, teams find out a player sucks after wasting the pick.

    But Todd Collins is seriously bad. EVERY Chicago Bears fan new the NFC championship was lost when Collins came in. Which only shows, Angelo, Lovie, and Martz are not Chicago Bear fans.

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    Wow!!!! Secret bomb doc!

    SHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhhhhh

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    jesus, there still may be hope in the world afterall: http://www.brobible.com/bronews/10-year-old-kid-gives-william-the-fridge-perry-his-super-bowl-ring-bac

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    That's awesome. Glad to see he's doing better lately too. Gotta love the Fridge!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    update:

    got the gig. pays a helluva lot more than i was at before; thanks for all the well-wishes everybody.

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    Congrats mang!

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    Kick ass, FQD - congratulations!

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    On the Worm HOF topic. I read this article about why he should NOT be in the Hall. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/jack_mccallum/04/04/hall.of.fame.rodman/index.html Some interesting points, but overall I disagree. He may not have been a "go to guy" but he was and absolute difference maker for what he did do. He changed games with his defense and rebounding.

    Discuss. We'll have coffee, we'll talk.

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    By the logic that the Pistons used to retire Worm's number, 44 should also be retired (Rick Mahorn). He did as much board banging as Rodman.

    The best banging Rodman ever did was Madonna. She taught him to get his freak on, and that made history view him better than he was.

    Fuck, if Rodman is HOF, then so is Horace Grant.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Horace was good. He did not, however, have nearly the impact on the game that Rodman had. You're a bulls fan, so you probably no better, and since they both played for the bulls, there is probably no bias on your part. But as an outsider watching the game, I think Horace Grant was a solid role player and Rodman was a game changer.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    IMHO, Rodman was a much better rebounder than Horace.
    Offensively, Horace gets the nod but not by that large of a margin. He was a decent, not great, jump-shooter and didn't have a back to the basket game IIRC. Rodman did more around the basket on tip-ins, extending possessions with offensive rebounds.
    Defensively, Rodman was better in the post, while Horace was better vs. small/power forwards out on the perimeter with his lateral quickness.
    This is all based on fast fading memories of the NBA in the nineties.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I think Rodman was defensive player of the year a few times and he could get in the head of the bigs. He doesn't get enough credit for his excellent passing abilities and helping bring the ball up the floor.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    He was excellent at passing in the post, especially to cutters into the lane.
    And I absolutely agree - unlike Horace, he could guard centers extremely well. He was very, very strong in his base.

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    A surprising amount of Lovie-love. http://espn.go.com/blog/afceast/post/_/id/27641/power-rankings-top-10-nfl-head-coaches

    Discuss. We'll have more coffee. We'll talk.

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    "Consistency is very important for head coaches, and Smith has more non-playoff seasons than playoff seasons," Walker said. "Smith seems to be on the hot seat every other year in Chicago, and he missed the playoffs three consecutive times from 2007 through '09. Despite a good run last year, Smith is a pedestrian 34-30 since '07."

    Bingo! Give that man a ceegar!

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    I read this about Girlie Thor, and I says to myself, I says, I says, "I, I did not know that. That is weird, wild stuff." :

    "Greg Olsen tied Johnny Knox for the Bears lead with five touchdown receptions in 2010. Olsen also topped the Bears with five TD catches in 2008 and eight in 2009. Olsen

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    we just need to get him the ball at least 7 times a game. he is inconsistent but has been coming on as of late.

    I'm excited to see how we use Forte starting from game 1. If we can have him catching 5-10 balls a game and running the rock we will be golden.

    Only a true penis face would stick Jay back there dropping 7 steps again when we can just fucking trounce teams and drive up and down the field by staying balanced.

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    Wow. Diod anyone actually read Jeff's post? Doesn't look like it. Would you really draft two projected centers in the first two rounds, Jeff? That's taking the replacement of Kreutz very seriously indeed I'd say. The alternative in the second round will be 27. Call me a hardass but I'd like us to draft guys who aren't about to retire.

    So I'll see that and I'll raise you Tommie Harris. Who plays in his spot? Every fool and his dog will agree our O-line needs to get better and probably won't do so witht he dudes that are starting. Until I reason to believe otherwise, Asiata and Louis are not stiffs, they're just short on experience, they have the tools. The smarts? We'll see. We do need a center though, but I don't know how anyone has Pouncey dropping to us. No one else is looking for a center?

    Phil Taylor in the first for me, and then either the best g/t available in the second, or Leshoure if he's magically there in rd 2 at our pick. If we don't get Pouncey we shouldn't reach. We already have Edwin Williams or Garza at a push to go in at Center, then there's either FA or next year's draft. Can't forget about Brian's replacement either though. Replacement the core of your defense and the captain on offense can't be taken lightly. Interesting to see what Angelo does to address those positions and if he'll do it through the draft.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    I think a few of us agree with most of that. I don't think we'll get Pouncey unless we trade up. GP and I disagree on how that would (theoretically) happen.
    I have no problem with taking an impact DT or DE in this draft if there is a run on guards before we pick. Hell, Ingram deserves consideration at that spot (not an automatic pick...but consideration).

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    THe Ravens will take Pouncey.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    We'll get that Forrest Gump LT.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Better be Liuget or Phil Taylor ... or Leshoure, I could live with that.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    According to Lovemaster, Melton is ready to replace Butter. The kid has a smashmouth motor, but so did Chris Zorich and that didn't help the fact he wasn't 300 lbs.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Love me some Zorich. Guy had Chicago Bear heart. To bad he was smallish and semi-unskilled. He's like our Rudy.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Melton doesn't seem explosive enough to me. Good, not great. Phil Taylor please.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    I think you misread Jeff's post Irish. The two players he mentioned were both possible 2nd round picks.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Follow up for our cereal conversation: http://uncrate.com/stuff/obol/

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    I mean diod they? Diod they really? Kiddlies? That's what I said, diddle I?

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    "Hey diddle diddle,
    The cat and the fiddle,
    The cow jumped over the moon.
    That's more than Jerzey Flyer does,
    The fat, fuckin' smelly baboon."

    - Credit to Dice Clay

  • In reply to gpldan:

    wow, surprisingly good.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    :o)

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Today's episode of WSIW is a little harder: Bears LB

    Dante Jones
    John Roper
    Brian Cox
    Jim Schwantz
    Myron Baker
    Sean Harris
    Michael Lowry
    Bobby Howard
    Leon Joe
    Joey LaRoque

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Holy Shit GP, Myron "the touchdown maker" Baker???? Awesome.

    It's hard to blame the guys for sucking. I blame the coaches for putting them in the game or bringing them on to the team in the first place.

    I will go with Leon Joe. Brian Cox actually played well from time to time.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I like Cox and vaguely remember Jones, Roper, Joe, and LaRoque. I'm ashamed to say I don't remember the others. I always found Brian Cox's self-motivation techniques to be quite fascinating.

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    John Roper was Wanny's version of Mark Anderson. I think he also wore #97.

    Nobody what to do with Roper. He was a shit OLB, so they tried him at RDE, but he was 250 tops, and couldn't rush. He was a project that never ended, and didn't deserve the PT he did get.

    Cox was acquired from the fish by Wanny, part of his love connection with Jimmy J. Cox was a clubhouse cancer of the lowest order. He with the pillow behind his head.

    Sean Harris was another LB/DE project, the Bears just love those.

    We had high hopes for Dante, but alas he had no game.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    As I recall, Cox had a Sack/Fumble/TD in his first game as a Bear (against the Vikes?) and it was all downhill from there.

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    Guess who's #8 in the 4-Letter's NFL Head Coaches Powers Rankings?

    http://espn.go.com/blog/afceast/post/_/id/27641/power-rankings-top-10-nfl-head-coaches

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/da-bears-blog/2011/04/open-debate-second-round-draft-pick.html#ixzz1ImWzOB00

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    Sorry, I missed that post.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Just playin'

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Hey FQ, I know what to get your for your belated bady and as a congrats for the new gig.

    You really should try and make a name for yourself right away: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKOqMHiAnlc

    It's real: http://www.fargginay.com/ (the best part... the sound when you mouse-over the top nav)

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    And since we're talking about bacon: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NMyAbFmsb4

    Aaaaaand this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjlQyhBgaT0

    Mmmmm... indian food.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Ugh, I'm gonna be sick...

  • In reply to gpldan:

    2nd

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    A manwich. Damn.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I don't think Dante Jones belongs on the list. I would replace him with Waymond Bryant.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Funny you should say that - I had Waymond on the list but took him off since I knew you would be the only person who knew who he was. hehehe.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Albert isnt the only one from "back in the day"

  • In reply to iamndmurff:

    Count me in the Old Farts category!!

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Flashback to 1993:
    The front page of the Chicago Tribune Sports Section read: "Dante's Inferno". I still have that somewhere.
    The Bears beat the Packers with three defensive TD's against Farve, and Dante Jones was the hero. I think that was the only good game he ever had. Then Farve went on to beat the Bears 18/20 games, and Wanny and Jauron would say "it's just another game". Total asshats.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    They paid Cox a boatload of money and got very little in return. I'm going with him. All the other guys other Jones and Roper, came with little or no expectations. Most of those guys were with us when we really sucked moose wang. They fit right in.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    You can throw Hattie Hillenmeyer in there as a Mike.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Hard to include Hattie because he was a free agent. I'm glad he's gone but he's light years better than some of the guys on that list. Not to mention nobody had any real expectations when the Bears signed him.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    exactly, despite Irish' MB30SD's olsen-like disdain for Hunter... when we needed him he had a very good year ON PAPER.

    We know he was too small and slow, but he made some huge plays in 2009. Dude has heart at least.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I guess I should say I liked Cox when he played for the Jets and dolphins. When he played for the bears, the bears sucked, and Sunday Ticket had not yet emerged, so I got to watch like two games a year on the West Coast. My bears news came solely from NFL primetime, which I recorded for three straight years in the early nineties. Highlights (lowlights) of every bears game for three years on some VHS tape collecting dust. How did I live without my bears every Sunday? We'll soon find out I think.

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    Nice Carson impression. I like it.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Sorry. Close but not quite. That was Dana Harvey doing a Johnny Carson impression. Good try though.

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    +1
    Ha!

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    It just seems like AG is having 10 catch 120 yard games every second game whereas Olsen is just grabbing his one or two passes. Those days are over with Martz, especially with KD in the mix.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Gates is not really a tight end. But i see what you are saying.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    he's how all TEs should be measured. Fucking stud.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    he's a wide receiver that happens to have a TE in front of his name. He is one athletic dude though. baller.

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    as my buddy Tommy used to say:

    now that you're paid as fuck it's all hot tubs and neon clocks...

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    Congrats, my man!! Keep on, keeping on!

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    Fucken A FQ... Stop Hatin' blend your own bacon!

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    Onwards and upwards.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    thanks everybody...really means a lot

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    Belated congratulations. Hope it takes some weight off your shoulders.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I agree with Doc. Mirer was the worst stinky shit. You could see his development was fucked up on the Shithawks, but we gave a 1 for him anyway and got fucked.

    It's one thing to get burned on a rook, but to take a 3 year pro with a full year of starting, with all that tape to look at, and then pull the trigger on a trade with a 1, and have it blow up like that - that was the worst shit ever.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    It sure makes the Charlie Whitehurst story even more poetic.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    The seahawks couldn't believe their lucky stars when we pulled the trigger on that one. The were like, "Seriously? We figured you'd counter with say, a fifth rounder and we'd haggle a bit. So, you're not even going to try? Kind of takes the fun out of it, but, okay...."

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Jonathan Quinn should be on that list.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Jonathan Quinn is Todd Collins' son. They are the same stork-esque qb. Brutal.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    Zack is Mr. Glass.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    I'm glad Bowman's still around. Somehow Jennings got his nose in there - Lovie's doghouse? Only four people had more interceptions than Bowman that year, whatever might be said of him. If we could just nab one decent corner in FA we'd have some depth there. Cromartie was allowing very few passes completed his way - and he had a lot of passes thrown at him last year with Island boy on the other side. Peanut to safety.

  • In reply to Joseph:

    Yeah, I know... I can't believe I wasted my time reading him either, but here'd dipshit's corner: http://www.chicagobears.com/news/ChalkTalkStory.asp?story_id=7715

    So in #1, basically Jerry is going to do what he always does? Have a fucking horrifically bad draft then larry?

    In the second one... so what you're saying is that Jerry is going to do what he always does and have a horrifically bad draft larry.

    Jesus, there's no hope... UNLESS this is all a brilliant scheme to lull our competition into believing that Jerry is going to do what he always does and have a fucking horrifically bad draft.

    The plot thickens!!!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Larry the tool says Jerry would never surrender a late pick to move up in the first, even if it meant getting Pouncey.

    That's because Larry is a kiss ass pseudo journalist PR man, and Jerry is a moron.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Bingo

  • In reply to gpldan:

    When you come out and say "I don't trade up" before there's even a case and set of circumstances presented to you, you're saying to the world "I'm an asshole."

    I'm looking forward to seeing how he fks things up in a sick kind of way.

  • In reply to Joseph:

    I don't even remember this bust, but at least he manned-up about busting.

    http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/bears/post/_/id/4670175/bears-bust-uses-his-experience-to-coach

  • In reply to gpldan:

    After thinking about this, I've decided that even though this guy takes it all on himself - trying to kiss ass into some coaching program and showing "maturity" by taking the fall - the truth really is this is another Jerry fuck up.

    Jerry does a piss poor job of knowing who can cut it in the NFL and who is just an athlete. By this guy's own admission, he had speed and size, he just couldn't understand the schemes and calls and handled frustration badly. Maybe he acted out, like a lot of douche bags do when they realize they can't cut it - and made his situation worse.

    But I bet the Patriots saw that in that kid. I bet other scouts knew this kid wouldn't pass muster coming in from Tuskeegee college.

    Now he's not a kid and kissing some ass, but this was still on Jerry.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Yeah, I'd be thanking Jerry if I was him too. Christmas cards, the whole deal. Kid can't believe he got into the NFL ... and he made a career out of coaching (so far) on the back of it.

  • In reply to iamndmurff:

    Congratulations to Dennis Rodman for getting your number retired by Detroit and making the HOF. Not announced yet, but it sounds like he's in. Loved his work ethic and funny antics. Oh, and he was one hell of a rebounder, defender, and passer.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    Not a bulls fan or a pistons fan but yeah, great great player. I had a theory about Rodman. Do you all remember about the time he started getting really out there? With the tattoos and the makeup and cross dressing.... Does anybody remember what else was going on in his life at that time? That's right, Madonna. I believe that Rodman was dating Madonna and he was making your typical salary and getting typical respect for a defender/rebounder. My theory is that Madonna got him to wise up. Market yourself, she probably told him. Make yourself a household name and the money and fame will follow. What's the best way to do that? Be as weird and controversial as you can. Worked for her. I believe Deion Sanders was also subscribing to her newsletter as never before was a cornerback receiving endorsement deals and getting as much pub as Neon Deion. He/they were smart. Put yourself out there, and the money would follow. If Jay did that, or even Lovie, they would start raking in the endorsements. Fact is, Rodman was always a baller and always respected in league circles. He became filthy rich and world famous for his craziness and that happened right after or during the Madonna courtship.

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    Your theory makes sense to me. Ocho Cinco and TO couldn't hold Rodman's jock when it came to craziness on and off the court.
    I have a similar theory about Bart Farve. He didn't become the "gunslinger" and win 3 straight MVP awards until Jim McMahon joined the Packers. He didn't start going for the jugular and making huge plays until McMahon joined the team.

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    This video is for you Doc. I always loved Rodman, except when he played against the Bulls while on Detroit. He totally got into Pippen's head, and he did it to many other great players as well.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htRsHwtsWic&feature=related

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    your theories intrigue me - I would like to subscribe to your newsletter...

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    Hey, on a Madden note, EA has introduced a new concussion rule like the NFL, if your computer Cutler gets knocked-out, he can't come back in the game. No, I'm not kidding.

    And to keep it even more realistic, you have to play a crappy veteran who's QB rating was in the single digits.

  • In reply to KissMyButkus:

    Or even worse, you have to play Todd Collins.

    Yikes.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Sorry, you're right - I just confuse TC and a turnip.
    My bad.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    The Worm was great...and relative to some of the true dipshits clogging up the league now, it is funny to think that some of his behavior on the court was all that controversial.
    Hell, Stephen Jackson has done more dumb shit in one half than Rodman did in his whole career.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I remember when he came to the Spurs; right before I left San Antonio. Such a contrast to The Admiral. :-)

  • In reply to Mastodon:

    He and Popovich hated each other...that locker room must've been awful.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    The smoke signals seem to be going up that our dear BT is looking at trading up to get ahold of Pouncey.
    Or we could be resigned to drafting an anonymous DT who will crap his pants in training camp and end up on the UFL champions next year.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    we're definitely trading up. Angelo is a stubborn ass but he knows his stubborn ass is on the hook for EVERYTHING. He knows that critics have the barrels loaded and ready to fire if he fucks up yet another draft. We need a replacement for Kreutz who has anchored our line for a decade. Pouncey plays both Guard and Center well. It is imperative that we address the Offensive Line. It makes too much sense. I feel that there is an incredible chance we will trade up. Remember, the Cutler/Peppers effect. There is no turning back once you have guys like that. Guys like Angelo can't make anymore excuses with guys like that on the team. Now it's up to him to fucking come through for us.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    MBP, i wouldn't bet my toothbrush on the first scenario... The second feel MUCH more familiar to me. Sadly.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    s

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    i'd agree with you if this was 2008 and we had Orton/Grossman/insert name here at QB. For the simple fact that we brought in Cutler, spent the GDP of the Ivory Coast on Peppers and got to the NFC Championship game with the Offensive line being one of the main reasons we didn't run the table I think it is safe to say that we will trade up. If we don't and we end up with scenario 2 i will firebomb Angelo's house.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    correction:
    I will force Angelo to firebomb his own house.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    If by that you mean, forcing him to eat handfuls of Bhut Jolokias while washing it all down with warm Schlitz and prunes, then I'm with you. He'll never go into his bathroom again without hearing Ride of the Valkyries.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    we'll see. I'm hopeful, but not expecting anything other than the norm.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Bong smoke signals?

    Angelo needs Pouncey, it would silence the blog and the rest of his critics. I said from the start that we deal Danieael Manning for a few spots in the draft. I stand by that.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I think we'd be much more likely to move a pick, either this year or next, to move up.

    Hell, maybe you're right and the kick-off rule change devalues Manning enough that trading five spots would be worth losing a top-flight KR.

    We'll see - but I'm starting to believe the BT is willing to make some noise in the first round.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Trading up?

    UP?!

    That would be, for the Bears, downright revolutionary!

  • In reply to Joseph:

    Would have been a bad time for a typo, Joseph. Accidentally replace the u with a in bulls and all hell breaks loose.

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    +1 Haha that good stuff Doc

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    I *knew* there was a reason I read this in the off-season! Thanks Doc.

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    zing!

  • In reply to iamndmurff:

    Let me preface my comment by saying I don't know shit about how college performance projects to the pros.
    John Moffitt, G/C from Wisconsin, is one of my all-time favorite Badgers of the last 20 years. The only team in any sport I follow as closely as the Bears is Wisconsin football. I was praising him on this site back in October or early November. He proved me right by being named an AP 1st team All-American. Depending on what mock draft you look at (do these guys really know anything?), he's a 2-4 round choice. If he's there in the 3rd, maybe even the 2nd,we should take him. His "stock" dropped because he ran a shitty 40 and whatever else. At the Senior Bowl, he was "average" in individual drills, but was "great" in full team drills. The guy is a FOOTBALL player. I think he will end up being a better pro player than Carimi, who is projected to be a 1st rounder. I would love both of them. The big question is, who made who better? They were both All-Americans.
    I love Moffitt's versatility. He was a great center one year, and filled in during the bowl game against Florida St. two years ago. He's a mauler, he's nasty, and he wears guys down as the game goes along( and he ENJOYS IT! ) On counters and traps, he can pull and seal an edge, blow out a guy, or get to the next level and make a big play happen. There were many plays where I seen him blow up a safety or linebacker, and still blocking 20-30 yards downfield. Obviously, I got a man-crush on this guy and want him on the Bears.
    I'm not sure if his skills will transfer to the pros, but I would draft him if I was Jerry. We need some big maulers inside to fight against Raji, Suh, and the Williams sisters in our division. We're going to be facing Raji and Suh for many years to come, and we need a middle push.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    My son got me into Wisconsin football now everytime it comes on, I find myself knowing all there names. I know it's not the Bears but it still is awesome to watch anyways.I love this , So does My boyfriend .he is almost 11year older than me .i met him via agegapsin gles.c'om a nice place for seeking age le ss love.which gives you a chance to make your life better and open opportunities for you to meet the attractive young girls and treat you like a king. Maybe you wanna check it out or tell your friends.. Just love it

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    Best post of 2011.
    My hat is off to you, Waffle.
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  • In reply to hollywood1:

    Your a girl?

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    i hope not! my penis is huge

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    You gotta love Artoo!

  • In reply to iamndmurff:

    Funny shit. That's the main reason I come here in the off season.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Hahaha

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Oh, and then there's this: http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/blog/dr_saturday/post/Central-Arkansas-takes-the-colorful-turf-trend-t?urn=ncaaf-wp497

    How in thee fuck do you play on this monstrosity?!?! But it's still not as bad as this: http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/blog/dr_saturday/post/Eastern-Washington-literally-seeing-red-over-new?urn=ncaaf-216240

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Agreed.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    Ha!

    ...man, we really were seperated at birth Johnny.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    I like Cor's train of thought. If he noticed this guy is a baller then the coaching staff probably has him on the radar. We will address O-line, D-line and WR. Possibly DB if not WR. I just want to see what we do in free agency. I don't think the Packers are keeping Cullen Jenkins. Johhny Jolly is a fucking idiot so he's not an option anymore. I just don't think they are going to pay Jenkins with all the youngsters they have. I would love to steal him and then have him maul Rodgers and Grant. Pep, Izzy, AA and Jenkins would be a nice front 4. Jenkins also plays D end so that would be a nice rotation with Pep and Izzy.
    I wish i could go all Inception and get into Angelo's brain. I would make him draft whomever we wanted here on the blog.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    You mean, your clit is huge.

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    a clenis?

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    penoris.

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    sounds like an ancient sex toy they found with the dead sea scrolls

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    Well, I'll have fun explaining that particular mix-up.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    Agree completely for whatever its worth. Bears need middle push on both sides of the line more than anything, if they don't address that in the draft sack Angelo.

  • In reply to BodaciousBF:

    +1

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    Says he's Julius Peppers, looking more like Gaines Adams

    http://sdg.scout.com/2/1057771.html

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Jesus, Angelo will find a way to give up the farm to trade down and take this fucking guy. I can see it now.

    Fuckena angelo, please shock me this year.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I feel bad that Adams croaked, but the truth is he did Angelo and Old Sauce a favor. He was bust-o-matic 3000 class shit. Mark Anderson looked like LT next to that guy. By croaking, it gives Jerry the out to say "we'll never really know what he was capable of." Yeah, Jerry, and if you croaked tomorrow we wouldn't know if you had the great American novel left in you. Come on.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Well said GP.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    This is not an ONION article:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1370646/Willie-Nelson-ordered-sing-judges-favourite-song-court-avoid-marijuana-jail-sentence.html#ixzz1I0Ur905o

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    He's just a good ol' boy, never meanin' no harm. I like how he gets to sing "the next time he's touring in the area".

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-03-31/nfl-players-seek-order-keeping-owners-from-lockout-money.html

    Brady v NFL.

    He's so beautiful, even the NFL must bow down.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    Yeah, I know Bill Brasky! He's a 10-foot-tall beast man, who showers in Vodka.. and feeds his baby Shrimp Scampi..

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