2011 Chicago Bears Draft About Toughness

Here is the problem with the NFL Draft: it is televised.  Because it is televised (and for me one of the most singularly boring events in the history of the medium) fans have taken to rampaging against their organization's lower round selections as means of flaming the torches and marching up the castle to kill the beast.  Very few people cheered when Jerry Angelo selected Johnny Knox in the fourth round a year ago because the selection of Knox inspired nothing more than mere interest in his reportedly alarming speed.  What if the selection in 2011 of Idaho's Nathan Enderle - a player targeted by the Vikings - turns out to provide the Bears with the next Kurt Warner?  The truth is the later rounds are crap shoots for everybody.  So I focus my attention on the players selected in the first two rounds - the rounds that should impact the football field in five months.
Gabe Carimi, the me-coined but him-credited Bear Jew of Lake Forest, and Stephen Paea, the Mad Tongan of Vava'u, have been drafted to add a needed dimension to the offensive and defensive lines (respectively) of the Chicago Bears: toughness.  Read the hundreds of pages pre-draft analysis and you'll see the same words associated with these two fellas: gritty, determined, mean streak, plays with anger.  They are not just solid athletes that perfectly appease their high-profile position coaches (Tice, Marinelli) but they come with an attitude that was sorely missing in 2010.
The Bears made the decision to select these two men just three months after their quarterback faced an almost unprecedented firing squad of "toughness" questions from every so-called expert in the sporting universe.  (Several years ago the Jets' John Abraham did not return to a pivotal playoff game due to flu-like symptoms and faced no such inquiry.  Fans of that team, including one that shares my mother and father, have never forgiven him.)  The Bears, however, decided they were not tough enough in 2010.  But not at the quarterback position.  In the trenches.  The Bears are tired of being pathetic on third-and-short on both sides of the ball.  They are tired of seeing their quarterback lying on his back.  They are tired of failing to pressure the opposing quarterback if Orange Julius does not make a special play.
The truth is this.  The Bears have quality on the defensive line.  They have no rage.  They have some young talent on the offensive line, sure.  But now they have guts.  That is at least the hope of Jerry Angelo and the folks at Halas Hall.
On the the flipside, a list of the 2011 draft picks 
and my prognostication for them this season.


Round One: Gabe Carimi, OT, Wisconsin

Barring unforeseen circumstances, I expect Carimi to start at right tackle as Mike Tice moves his prized pupil J'Marcus Webb to the left side.  
Round Two: Stephen Paea, DT, Oregon State
I think Paea can really play and will enter a tackle rotation alongside a re-signed Anthony Adams, Marcus Harrison...etc.  Melton, Wootton and Idonije will be playing somewhere along that line as well.
Round Three: Chris Conte, FS, Cal
I don't watch a lot of Pac-10 football but Mayock like this kid so I'll go with that.  The Bears do not have a true FS on the roster currently.  I think Conte makes the team but is primarily a special teams contributor this coming year.
Round Five: Nathan Enderle, QB, Idaho
Clipboard.  This draft pick should confirm, however, that Caleb Hanie will not be challenged for the back-up quarterback position.  That is a good thing.
Round Six: J.T. Thomas, LB, West Virginia
If J.T. makes the Chicago Bears in 2011, it'll be with a Lovie redshirt on.

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  • First to say good post Jeff. I hope Conte works out, we could really use a true FS.

  • I'm not stoked about 5 rounds and one OL. But if it was going to be one, I'll take Carimi.

    If we sign Jenkins, and add Paea - and resign Adams - we have a good DL, but our OL still needs work.

    QB, FS and OLB? If that's the way we are going, then we need another OL in FA.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    GP...I'm right with you on all counts...

    especially OL IN FA!!!!

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    We needed FOUR offensive linemen. We got one, and *maybe* some FA help.

    Gonna be a long season, boys. Especially for Jay Cutler.

  • In reply to Mastodon:

    Dave, there is no way that 1 draft would yield 4 linemen unless we had 2 picks in each of the first 3 rounds and we don't have Belichek.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    The last four words say most of it, don't they?

  • In reply to Mastodon:

    no one else does either.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    We could have had Boling in the 3rd and Cannon in the 4th if we'd wanted them. Is Conte that good that you need to ignore the OL? That's basically what happened, one good pick for the OL. Didn't we just draft Pringles with our highest pick last year Jerry? We need that SB real quick or it's gone gone gone. If we needed a safety that badly are you telling me we couldn't find a vet out of 400 FAs, Jerry?

    And come back to me in five years and tell me the production you got from Paea and what the Lions get from the best RB in the draft.
    Tool. Fail.

  • In reply to Mastodon:

    Here's the guy taken with the pick AFTER Enderle:

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/draft-2011/players/63537.html

    And that, right there, is why Pittsburg will continue to be a running town and make it to Super Bowls and we will not.

    Yes, the kid grades out as a backup, but he's 6'1 and 301, and could improve or at least be better than Lance Louis. It's better than a shit 3rd string QB.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Sorry, he's an Eagle not a Steeler, I got my running Pennsylvania teams mixed up.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    GP..two words..fuck me!..thanks JA... you douche!

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Just got back from my math conference. I watched the outcome of the first round with a smile on my face. Carimi is who Cormonster wanted all along, and I like his mean streak. I predict he'll be moved to left guard, where he'll be all pro in the mode of Steve Hutchinson. Williams will move back to left tackle and will have success because teams will be dealing with Carimi.

    I Like the Paea pick. A big strong dude that wants it. He'll be good, don't know how good, obviously.

    The other three picks just baffle me. To be honest, I don't know shit about any of them, but what will happen with the kid from Idaho will be deja vu for us. At about the 3rd week of the preseason, if there is one, Martz will realize he won't cut it, he'll panic and grab Todd Collins part deux, placing Enderle on the practice squad where he'll be snatched up just like LaFlower.

    The Conde kid had one good year and as others have stated, seems like Craig Steltz part Deux. Hopefully I'm just being pessimistic, but it doesn't strike me as a good pick. Especially since Casey Mathews was still on the board. I don't know if he'll be as good as his bro, but football is in his blood. He understands the game and wants it. But no, we took ANOTHER safety. ANOTHER unproven white safety. I don't care how much of a crapshoot the draft is, Jeff, even in craps, you know to pick seven. It's called playing the odds. And I know the odds would have been high for Casey Mathews to have success. Strongside help is what we needed at LB, not another safety project.

    Finally, Idaho has always had a shitty football team. I said it before and I'll say it again. Good football players don't come from the Idaho Vandals, not in a long long time. I lived there for 6 years and I know. They get castoff athletes who don't have the skills to play with the big boys. The last successful player to come from the Vandals was Mark Schlereth and Jerry Kramer before him.

    I know a lot of corners and guards and tackles had come off the board by the end of the third round, but I just don't get those last three picks.

    To top it all off, Jerry made the whole organization look like ass-clowns with the way he clowned the Ravens. What's this, his 10th draft as a GM? He still doesn't know how it works? Fucking Asshole. He has a good first two rounds, in part because Seattle fucked up and grabbed an inferior tackle just ahead of us. Carimi fell in his lap. If he hadn't been there, he would have taken Paea with the first pick, thus picking a player too high and fucking up again. He got lucky in round one and traded up for the first time I can remember in round two to get a solid player at DT (I think).

    In short, Jerry is a douche and if Carimi and Paea turn out to be half the players I think they will, it will be because Jerry got a little lucky, not because he's any good.

    Well, if free agency ever gets here, we'll see what happens. For now, I'd say he had another shitty draft.

    And one more thing, if he didn't want to give Martz a raise, why did he let him make the Enderle Pick? I don't get that. Another project safety and QB. Shit. Fuckin' shit.

    Oh yeah, and the blazers lost in the first round. AGAIN. Fuck Me.

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    So if he picks players that can play, he is lucky, and if he picks players that can't, he sucks. Sounds like the Heads I win, Tails you lose game to me, Doc.

    Someone reported Angelo told two staffers to make the call and each of them thought the other had made it. JA manned up and accepted responsibility. Turns out that 8 years ago Ozzie Newsome ( still the Ravens GM at the time) made the same error in a trade with the Redskins.

  • In reply to PhantomOne:

    I would have honored the trade, but the truth is, the pick alone is a commodity and does not belong to JA. It belongs to the organization. If I owned the team and one of my guys honor was on the line I may bite the bullet, but than again, I don't own a football team...

  • In reply to PhantomOne:

    Gotta love this quote on where the priority of offensive line will be in free agency

    "I can't answer that until we assess where we are at."

    Wait. Wait. You need to assess where we're at? That shouldn't take long. You have a shitty O-line and you drafted ONE guy. You really need to assess that? Jesus H. Christ. (Sorry Trac).

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    he meant, i'm not going to play my hand and tell you who i want. There is a lockout and nothing is set in stone yet so it would be brutal if Angelo just gave away his strategy.

  • In reply to PhantomOne:

    Dude, even Angelo knows he was lucky to have Carimi staring him in the face that low in the first round. C'mon man.

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    And to reiterate, I don't know shit about the last three picks. I don't agree with them based on players I do know who were on the board at the time and the needs we have. And I'm not one of the normal Angelo baggers. I've never loved him nor hated him, but am swaying to the latter lately. I hope to be eating much crow about all of these players, but my first impressions are not to good. His only good move in my opinion was moving up to take Paea, which was shrewd, because Phili was poised to take him and we snatched him up. That being said, I think we gave up too much to move up, what, 5 or 6 spots? The Carimi pick was obvious. I could've made that one. And I don't claim to be a professional G.M.

    Like I said, I'm hoping to eat crow, but my first impressions are not positive.

    We're all still waiting for you much anticipated "In defense of Jerry Angelo" post.

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    I thought I would get a column for winning the picks contest, bit that prize was for the fantasy winner. I was regretfully mistaken.

  • In reply to PhantomOne:

    Just post it.

  • In reply to PhantomOne:

    Go for it if Jeff agrees; I'm in the midst of a seriously nutty year and there's a lockout on.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    And I hope that didn't sound snotty. I know how tough it is to write a column like the Blogfather does and I know I don't have the mental acuity right now to put up something I'd be proud of.

  • In reply to PhantomOne:

    My take. I like the first two picks. Don't get Conte at all. Hope I'm wrong. The QB is a Mike Martz handjob. The LB is a Toub handjob.

    I'm with Murph on the JA fuck up. No harm, no foul. Embarrassing as hell but JA should be used to that. There's no way you can pass that fuck up onto the underlings. The buck stops with the boss. Also, why tell two guys to call? Tell one guy to call. If he fucks it up, it's hasta manana iguana.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    exactly.

  • In reply to PhantomOne:

    I am a glass half full guy on a glass half empty blog.

    We NEEDED a 3rd string QB. We could go out and overpay a "quality vet" back-up, or we could save money on a rookie project, and use the dough in FA.

    We needed to address our O-Line, we get a highly rated guy in the first round.

    We needed a 3 tech D Tackle, and we move up to secure one.

    We need some new blood on our linebacking corps, we find a system guy who can also play special teams.

    We need a CB, we draft a safety. I would not have made that decision. My guess is that this need will be addressed in FA.

    I think the writing is on the wall when FA opens. Aside from signing our FA's (Kruetz, Adams, Pisa...) we need the best system corner on the market to beat the Packers. I would also like to see us pursue Sydney Rice to make the Packers overspend on a corner when Woodson retires.

    We have 8 O-Lineman with less than 3 years of experience on our roster. How many more would be enough? If the lock-out drags out too long the value of adding a vet will be diminished by the fact that they will not have adequate time to learn the system.

    Conundrums aplenty.

  • In reply to PhantomOne:

    I agree on all points except specifically pursuing Rice. The hip surgery scares the bejebus out of me.
    I think drafting the 3rd stringer is a clear message to Caleb after the NFC Championship game: we fucked up, sorry, you are our backup - not the pickle jar.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    We definitely need to kick those tires...

    Assuming his health is good to go, he moves chains, eats clock, and score TD's. What's not to like?

    MB, I am on your bandwagon. Don't crash.

  • In reply to PhantomOne:

    No doubt - if he's healthy, pay the man.
    Wouldn't it be nice if we knew what the hell was going on in FA this year? I mean, every time I start talking to myself about what we could do and who our options are, I realize that none of us knows what the ground rules are going to be.

    Glad you are back, Viva!

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Thanks, Posse.

  • In reply to PhantomOne:

    He DID get back on the field last season, no?

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    yeah - one breakout game vs...Buffalo.

    Can't blame him though - Minnesota's O-line and QB situations were awful. I'm kind of impressed that he put three digits against anybody, even Buffalo.
    Based on news reports, he also needs to start using Travelocity and dump Craigslist for bookin' his travel.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I don't necessarily have an issue with the QB pick.
    As far as I'm concerned, that kid's ALREADY a better option than
    Todd "I can't even get out of my OWN way, let alone a defender's" Collins.

    However, Blogfather, I must take issue with

    "...Idaho's Nathan Enderle - a player targeted by the Vikings..."

    That is hardly a ringing endorsement.

    I mean, The Vikings?

    The same Vikings who used their #12 overall pick on Christian Ponder (insert your own "Pondering", "Ponderous", "Chistian -to- the-Lions" play-on-words joke here)in what is generally regarded as a clear case of "panic buying" after Jake Locker was taken 8th?

    The same Vikings that kissed Narcissus' rosie red butt and BEGGED him back for a 2nd season despite the fact that he had gacked up yet ANOTHER, KILLER. playoff interception and was, obviously, damaged, over-the-hill goods?

    The same Vikings who were almost universally laughed at on this blog when they extended Brad Childress?

    The same Vikings who then had to fire said Mr. Childress at mid-season and eat most of said extension?

    THOSE Vikings?

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    I'm going to miss Childress in the division, especially press conferences like this: http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/video/68688217.html?source=error

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    Jerry Burns had a press conference that rivals Denny Green's meltdown. Take a sip of your beer every time he cusses and you'll be drunk in no time.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNcBFZ26lcI

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    Classic.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    cOR...HICCUP..HICCUP..HICCUP.....POUR ME ANOTHER..aaaaahhhhhhhhh FUCK %#!@$@!%^$#%^$!#%^#

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    Jere Burns, the man who publically said he didn't know how to use Hershel Walker.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    I love the way he ended that. Just, "...fuckers."

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    Hilarious1 He tweaked his groin, he pulled at it, tugged at it, rubbed it. I wonder why everyone always called him a pedophile??????

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Stop pussy footing around Al, what are you trying to say? Your post really made me laugh. The Williams Sisters are definitely getting suspended for 4 games and unless they get McNabb they have no experience at QB. What a shame.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    They're practically retired, what is FAt Williams, 38?

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Fat Pat is probably done but Kevin is still around.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Yeah, I don't get the love for a WR with a bum hip.

  • In reply to PhantomOne:

    quality vet qb signing was the way to go. Hanie. Sweet.

  • In reply to PhantomOne:

    Viva, I don't think anyone is complaining about hot having enough young OL men on the roster. It's the quality of them. C. Williams is about half a season away from being a certified bust, Webb has some promise but that's all, Louis, Asiata, E. Williams and the 350 pounder on the taxi squad have shown little or nothing. Hard to spin that into a big positive.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    bingo!

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    We are going to go 12-4 next year. We are going to make the playoffs.

    Fuck the Pack.

  • In reply to PhantomOne:

    Viva..I likey..I'm thinking 11-5 and yes. going to the playoffs again.

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    Viva....how are you getting to 12-4

    Sun. 11 FALCONS (W)
    Sun. 18 @ Saints (W)
    Sun. 25 PACKERS (W)
    Sun. 2 PANTHERS (W)
    Mon. 10 @ Lions (L)
    Sun. 16 VIKINGS (W)
    Sun. 23 @ Buccaneers (W)
    Mon. 7 @ Eagles (L)? one you have as a (W)
    Sun. 13 LIONS (W)
    Sun. 20 CHARGERS (W)
    Sun. 27 @ Raiders (W)
    Sun. 4 CHIEFS (L)
    Sun. 11 @ Broncos (W)
    Sun. 18 SEAHAWKS (W)
    Sun. 25 @ Packers (L)
    Sun. 1 @ Vikings (L)

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    Lobo - if you think we are losing to the Lions and the Vikings this year you are mistaken. Chiefs also dead.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    Waffle..I am just looking that if a lose is to happen it happens in their house not ours.

    I hope that I am wrong on all accounts.

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    as for the Chiefs it will be an interesting matchup

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    Waffle man, look at their DL. Suh, Fairley, Bosch, Mr. Irrelevant. Solid safeties now. Solid QB, solid RBs, OL, WRs, TEs. The kitties are no pushovers, no 2-game-gimmes anymore. We have to deal with that DL first and find an answer for it, or beat them with defense. One or two injuries - even one injury to our defensive backfield, and Stafford will tear us apart with the weapons he has at his disposal.

    Where are our weapons?

    Matt Forte is it as far as I can see. Shabba's in the shithouse. Producing a catch or two every second game hardly makes showpony Olsen a 'weapon'. Hester's good for a catch or two when he's open, and perhaps one day Johnny Knox might make a good #2, or #3. Maybe.

    We need help. Not just one receiver, but two or three.

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    We'll find a way to lose 4. That Vik game at the end of the year may not see our starters.

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    I'll say the Packers might have us once. Saints maybe. Either the Lions or the Eagles, and then two losses from somewhere after that. Presuming no Major injuries of course. You'd be expecting at least 11-5. Or no football whatsoever.

  • In reply to PhantomOne:

    that's fucking right Viva. 11-5 or 12-4 and playoff bound again. i can't wait for this shit to start.

    Let the fucking haters invent more ways why we shouldn't be successful and let them eat their words again.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    GET SOME!

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    CB -

    Guards typically take 3 years to develop. I not only think that we have 2 well above average guys, I think at least one of them can be a future all pro.

  • In reply to PhantomOne:

    Viva, which 2 guys are you talking about?

  • In reply to PhantomOne:

    We needed a vet 3rd string Viva, a ready-to-go guy.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Agree on all points, Viva.

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    I saw a comment after some Bear article on nfl.com yesterday and the guy says "Fire Jerry? Didn't he just get us to the NFC championship?"

    No sunshine, our perfectly healthy roster sputtered and stalled before the finish line to a team with not 13, but 15 players on IR and proceeded to lose KEY players throughout the game. Say what you like about the starters etc. but that's a third of your roster all told. Ted Thompson does it right. You are a fraud Mr. Angelo.

  • In reply to PhantomOne:

    what happens if one of your guys messes up Viva? Who's fault is it? theirs because they didn't execute, or you because you failed to prepare them?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Question is vague.

    If I could or should have done something I didn't do, I would man up and own it. If a Marine crossed an ethical line that he should have known better I would cut ties and get a new guy. If the guy was operating in the "fog of war" and made an honest mistake I would bend over backwards to keep his name out of the papers.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    That's an easy one. Somebody was told to make a call. They did not make that call. Ergo it's their shit sandwich.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    nope. the general bears the mistake for telling two assholes to get it done instead of doing it himself.

    You want something done right....

    ...don't let Jerry Angelo do it.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I'd take a solid QB prospect over a projected backup 6th round pick. Pittsburgh don't have a very good OL. They're good at drafting defense.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Grandpa needs to go. I don't mind about half of his picks, but the way he handled making them was deplorable.

  • In reply to FAiL:

    I don't care how anyone "handles"? making picks. If you can pick em and they make the team and contribute, I'm happy.

  • In reply to iamndmurff:

    Yes the way he botched the trade made the organization look like a bunch of clowns who don't know what they're doing. This kind of screw up will affect they way other teams deal with the Bears in trades and transactions in the future. This isn't strike one for JA, it's more like strike 18.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    JA..should of given the Ravens both 5 & 6 and it would of made no difference.. JA your are a genuine douche-bag!

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    Lobo, you must have been yelling in the wrong direction. Pete Carroll heard you and got his two guards. We are in trouble if Chris Williams is starting at left guard next year. We got no push up the middle, and that sucks.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    Cor..damn't I seem to be always yelling at the wind..my whisper must of reach Carroll..

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    pisser maybe that we pick up their sloppy seconds that they will cast off. and then JA will be all proud of himself that he picked up some veterans..LOL!!!

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    I remember a Chris Williams that owned Jared Allen all night long one on one. World Wide Webb is a liability at RT, he's a nightmare-in-waiting at LT. I'm not surprised there was no push up the middle last year. CW is not a guard. Kreutz and Garza are toast.

    CW back to LT? Carimi on the right and then select from Asiata/Louis/Johnson. Kreutz must be in his last year now, which provides us with a problem. We need his heir and Urlacher's heir drafted, and both are first round picks.

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    Jerry being honest about this particular draft and free agency:

    On if draft selections affecting guys who were on the roster in 2010

    "Not really, certainly we are going to want some of our players back. But when our players are out in the open market, you have to consider them open to any team. So there is no guarantee that we are going to get anybody back. We wanted to address as many needs and fill as many holes as we can. We weren't naive, we weren't going to be able to do that in one draft session given what our status was and we didn't try to do that. We didn't get fixated to cover all the things that we would like to do. We did the best we could without being desperate in our approach of during it. Yet we do have a free agent market coming up and it's a substantial one. What we need to address from here until training camp we will be doing that in free agency and I feel very, very good about our plan."

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Enderle is a pocket passer, but doesn't have the greatest arm. His arm is said to be average...well that was a wise pick huh?

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/685795-2011-nfl-draft-results-round-5-chicago-bears-select-qb-nathan-enderle

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    great we have another: QB Dan LeFevour

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    looked really good to me in fairness on his highlight reel they showed Lobo. Touch on his passes, smarts, audibles, pro-ready. Thrown for 10K. Big, strong. He could be okay. In four years.

  • Jeff, agreed on the toughness angle and agree with the first two picks even though i would have liked to see a creative move up in draft position to get Austin instead of Paea. Paea might be that badass we need though so only time will tell.

    kind of see the Conte pick and don't know about the JT Thomas pick. I was hoping Mark Herzlich would be picked by the Bears. That would have been a tough ass draft class.

  • Watching tape delay, and heard Mayock say scouts had Conte as a 4-6 pick, but coaches after watching tape graded him out as a 3. Cal had the top passing defense in the PAC 10 and he was All-PAC 10. Conte is supposed to be a sure tackler. I like the fact he's a converted corner who seemed to find his position. He wasn't a big playmaker last year, but if he can cover and be in the right position I'll take him over Manning. Trying to stay positive on the pick. It's all a crap shoot.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    As I said earlier, let's hope he is the new Gary Fencik. Hell, *one* guy that good would make it an "okay" draft.

  • to the Godfather fans on here:

    Conte's grandather was Don Barzini. based on that, he has a fan; rooting for the kid.

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    Holy Crap the true? Consider me sold.

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    "Not really"? what? you douche.... for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction..one player in another out, be it newbie or veteran. What fucking planet is he on?

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    yeah, sounds great now... until he spears Peanut and collapses a lung. then who gives a fuck who his gandpappy is.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    last time i checked, Steltz doesn't = Conte. are you having a dyslexic fit again, MB?

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    Yeah, that just means he can't get cut without Lovie waking up next to a severed horses head.

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    Funny.

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    Barzini didn't want his name to end up in the papers.

    Shit, that bombed like my pi joke.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I went back and read you pi joke. I thought is was good.

  • I like the 1st and 2nd picks, mostly because they both seem to have the old style Bear attitude, and I hope they go out there and RIP OFF SOME HEADS. How is Paea pronounced btw? Like Pia ? Don't like the QB pick, I bet JA and Rusky panicked on that one, shows lack of planning on finding a diamond in the rough WR or LB or CB. We do Not need another QB.

  • In reply to GuinnessPlease:

    Someone posted a while back that Martz went to Idaho to test this kid out. I think it was his pick.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    If that's the case then it's another reason he's a tool - he needs to make ALL the picks himself or not at all. He's being a CEO by committee in that case. "What do you think here Rod ...?" WTF?!

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    Okay so, after chilling for a while, I reread my posts and definitely don't like the knee jerk sky is falling tone of my posts. I had just gotten back from a long weekend of math talks, where my drive home was extremely stressful as my brakes were going out. I basically used the brakes a total of 4 times on a 250 mile return trip by downshifting, coasting, and keeping a large cushion. When I did use them, they smoked and the brake pedal barely depressed. It was a long weekend with a stressful finish. Then I get home to read who the last two picks were and kind of lost it. In hindsight, I regret the negativity of the posts. I'm not sold on the draft, but am very happy with our first two picks. So rather than pissing and moaning, I'll just let hope reign supreme for the other three guys and keep my thoughts and emotions tied to Carimi mostly but also Paea. A pretty good first two rounds I think.

    I'm sure this was said on other posts while I was gone, but holy shit Detroit is going to have a helluva defensive front. Two good wide recievers now too. They're definitely on the rise. I like the Minnesota first round pick. They could have done better. Does Green Bay really need more recievers? Cripes.

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    Green Bay prepare their fields for the rain.

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    This is the guy who should be our #2, Hanie #3.

    http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-top100-2011/09000d5d81f85e35/Top-100-Donovan-McNabb?module=HP_cp2

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Irish..no way would they bring the Chicago Heights kid back home...two roosters in the hen house.

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    Not a Heights kid lobo, born in Chicago, moved to Dolton. I worked with his Dad for some years and remember Donovan during his grammar school years. Besides for being a good player he is a better human being. He was raised right and I remember how polite and respectful he was as a kid. He would be great as a backup but I don't think he wants that job. I think he is still thinking starter and not ready to sign for a sure backup job.

  • In reply to iamndmurff:

    He can forget about a starters job.

  • In reply to iamndmurff:

    Don't know if there are any horsie fans on here, but even if you aren't ... this was awesome to see. Those are top class horses strung out behind him. Frankel winning the 2000 Guineas on Saturday.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghUY0k4YX1k

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    Briggsy

    http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-top100-2011/09000d5d81f85b74/Top-100-Lance-Briggs

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Irish..they ranked him 92 really should of been higher like in the 20's

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    Voted by the players.

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    we now have a samoan sangwich and a tongan sangwich.

    Paea was speaking to his twin: http://www.chicagobears.com/multimedia/multimediapopup.asp?mm_file_id=2366&play_clip=Y&rn=18

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    o.k...o.k....The kid is growing on me.."Nasty Tongan Sandwich"

    still going to bitch about the picks after the first two rounds..yah gotta gimme that

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    You know you like him.

  • In reply to PhantomOne:

    immaterial my brother.

    Not in this draft. Not with our single dire need. Not when we desperately needed, and could have gotten, a franklin instead.

    Look, he may very well turn out to be good. Erik said the guy isn

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    To be fair, we don't even know how good Pringles can be. He could still turn out to be a stud, and now he can play strong safety where he belongs.

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    I have high hopes for Major Penis Doc. I think he can be damn good on the fill if he can just stay healthy. Not sure about his cover skills, but he has time to hone those.

    Btw, he was, and should stay, a FS: http://www.gatorzone.com/football/bios.php?year=2007&player_id=150

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuG3uM0RwLA

    God I loved playing FS.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    MB, on the bright side the Bears can now get rid of one weak link, Bollocks. We definitely needed more depth in the secondary. What was your strength at FS, sure tackler or pass coverage? Or both? I miss playing football, even the practices (minus the first few days).

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    I played IML in high school Corm, then transitioned into SS for most of college until my last year, where I moved t FS... but I was by far and away better at the run.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I played organized sports until about 16, then became a pothead and worked at the local Country Club so I could afford a car. Catcher, middle linebacker, and 120 lb. wrestler were my favorite positions, but I was always under-sized. Unfortunately, I put on about 90 pounds and grew 5-6 inches during my senior year, so I never put the pads on again. That's awesome you got to play college ball. Did you get to play at D1 level?

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    Unfortunately, no Corm. I was too small for MLB in college (5

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    old = only

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Without giving away too much? Hmm. Curiouser and curiouser. I feel a good share coming on MB ...

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Me too. Just found my old team on Facebook the other day. We were the first youth team in Ireland under Coach Adrian Gannon (who I learned subsequently has been residing in Chicago the last 20 years - hi coach!). Happy days.

    http://www.facebook.com/home.php#!/pages/Dublin-Celts-Junior-American-Football-Team-1986-1989/320172691816

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Very cool Irish. Nice pictures.

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    btw, how was the maths conference?

    Did they have a maths raffle? Games and contests? Mss Math Conference?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Miss Math Queen...

    http://www.michaelcassara.net/images/the_yellow_wood/marnie_schulenberg.jpg

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    Wow, she's hot. What's her ties with math?

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    Leg division ... followed by multiplication, differentiation, then finally, subtraction. Thank you I'm here all week.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    It was good, thanks for asking. There WAS a raffle. I won a sweet Casio super-calculator. The things this thing can do. Talks were very interesting.

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    SWEET! Casino super calculator!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Little Miss Mathlete.

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    can we get him now instead?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DS1Bocgpw-M&NR=1

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    please

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    no MB it's not 2010 and another GM not "Glitchy" took him. I wish..but instead we had a Dan LeFevour, QB, Central Michigan...that was another great pick by "Glitchy"

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    and now rewind and in 2011 we have LeFevour 2.0 (Nathan Enderle) whoo~hoo!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I thought you guys hated what Steltz did to Peanut. And you want a reckless lunatic like that?

  • In reply to Mastodon:

    Yes.

  • In reply to Mastodon:

    What did Steltz do to P-Nut?

  • In reply to PhantomOne:

    http://www.nowpublic.com/sports/charles-tillman-injury-displaced-rib-cage-lung-damage-video-2547222.html

    The video says rub injury, but it was much worse than that (get it?)

    Also, it wasn't a "collision", steltz basically speared peanut instead of his guy.

  • In reply to PhantomOne:

    He speared him flying into a pile. Broke a bunch of ribs and collapsed his lung. I think it was the last game of 2009.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Totally forgot about that. Thanks...

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Shit happens. Whistle blows and you do it all again. Unless you're Peanut ...

  • In reply to Mastodon:

    "Does anyone know where the love of God goes when the waves turn the minutes to hours?"

    Had this song in my head all weekend long:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgI8bta-7aw

  • In reply to PhantomOne:

    I have a co-worker with a cheatin spouse. He drove over and confronted her 'boyfriend'. He's gonna have go full on divorce, full battle. He's really down in the dumps, and I know all about it. I'm not religious, so he's finding solace in his church - good for him. I'm just helping with the legal coaching. FWIW.

    Reminds me of another Lightfoot tune:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOOs-MqDOI0

  • In reply to gpldan:

    ouch.

  • In reply to PhantomOne:

    Osama Bin Laden....DEAD!!!!

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    he gone. special forces finally got that motherfucker

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    Enjoy your virgins, Asshat.

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    navy seals did it

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    Charlie Sheen's team?

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    ha! i was going to make that comment. That was one terrible/awesome movie.

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    Glad Osama is gone. I hope America has learned their lesson on terrorist attacks.. because there will be an outbreak of them now that Osama is gone.

    Please Obama, don't get lazy on security.

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    Strange there's no photos though, eh? Like that's the first thing they'd do is photographic evidence, right? Something smells rotten in the state of Denmark. I thought he died about 8 years ago from kidney failure. Where's the beef?

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    Those are some of the baddest men on earth.
    God bless them.

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    (Look away Irish)

    America...FUCK YEAH!

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    I'm sure there are some ISI folks in Islamabad that are shitting their pants right now, waiting for a knock on the door.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    "Hello Achmed, what are you doing here so late??? Uhhh...I didn't know i wasn't supposed to tell that 6'2 200lb western looking "embassy liason" where brother Osama was staying at. Ooops."

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    And vice versa. The guys in the ISI who -didn't- know this was coming are the ones who should probably take a vaction next week.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    Toughness? you want TOUGHNESS? How about sneaking into Pakistan and putting a bullet in Osama Bin Laden's head. THAT'S tioughness my friends!

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Let's see it with our own eyes first Al. Remember the 12 year-old French Intel photos Condy Rice told the world were current photos ? Short memories.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    they brought his body back for that exact purpose

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    A conspiracy theorist will then assume they are faked.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Awful slow getting stuff out there if they have it though, eh?

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    That depends in part on how many free agents the Packers lose. Among their potential free agents are defensive lineman Cullen Jenkins and wide receiver James Jones.

    And just guess who might be interested in those players.

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-spt-0502-pompei-on-bears--20110501,0,6090049.column?page=2

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    Jones would be a no-brainer signing and so sweet.

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/09000d5d81f9f9fa/article/devlin-tops-list-of-best-available-undrafted-players?module=HP_cp2

    Two interesting ones :

    . Mark Herzlich, LB, Boston College: If Herzlich would have been available in the 2009 draft, he would have been a top 10 or 15 pick. In May of 2009, Herzlich was diagnosed with a rare form of bone cancer, and after missing the entire season, returned to the field in 2010. Herzlich participated in practice just three times before playing in Boston College's 2010 season opener. He's a strong player (29 bench-press reps at the combine), and is very good at diagnosing plays (his four interceptions are evidence of that ability). He's a special player as far as work habits, and appears to slowly be regaining his speed and quickness.

    Terrence Toliver, WR, LSU: A big receiver (6-4, 214 pounds) with 4.59 speed, Toliver tends to be a body catcher, allowing passes to get to his body rather than his hands. He had a good performance at LSU's pro day.

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    Damn it would have been nice to have the luxury to pick a safety in the first round some time. Berry is a beast. http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-top100-2011/09000d5d81f85e36/Top-100-Eric-Berry

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    Jerry Angelo was praying that four to six quarterbacks would go in the first half of the first round. That would assure that a good offensive or defensive lineman would drop to the Bears. That

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Has the season started yet ?

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Bye bye motherfucker. The rest of you bitches are next! Run you fucking rats, run!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I will be purchasing my Glock and Benelli MR1 this weekend. This next decade is gonna get crazy.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    2012

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    Nice! I've been waiting to get a nice 12 gage (bird huntin) and have been thinking about some kind of assault weapon to add to my XD.

    Sounds like Viva's not a fan of the MP5. I'm open to suggestions... but I need something that will take out apocalypse zombies in one shot. Fuckers are going to be hard to re-kill.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Bushmaster ACR...is that legal to buy?

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    Dont think so

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    i'm just going to get deadly accurate with the throwing of my shoes then.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    Stock up on grain alcohol, leather jackets, and twinkies.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    Sung to the tune of "DING DONG THE WITCH IS DEAD" from THE WIZARD IOF OZ

    "Dong, dong, Osama's dead,
    He got shot, right in his head,
    Ding dong, Osama's really dead...

    He thought that he could hide,
    Too, too, bad, now he's died
    Ding dong, Osama's really dead...

    We said we would track him down, yo-ho,
    it took a while but, oh,
    we closed that file and

    "Dong, dong, Osama's dead,
    Really very truly dead
    Now at last, sama's finally Dead!

    May you rot in hell you worthless piece of of crap.

    Here's hoping they stuff your body into the skin of a dead pig and bury you in an unmarked grave. Once Allah gets a whiff of you then, OOPS, No 72 VIRGINS for you!

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    Brought to you tonight by Mikkeller "Rauch Geek Breakfast"...oatmeal stout brewed with coffee from some crazy norwegian bastards.

    It's not great, and for $9 for a pint and a half, I expect great.
    But Osama bin Laden is still dead and I get to enjoy a beer. So f-ck you, Osama, and burn in hell you murderous prick.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    He ordered
    the murder of thousands,
    -
    -
    -

    And then
    he up and fled

    -
    -
    -

    Tonight, he got
    what he deserved...

    -
    -
    -

    A bullet,
    right in the head

    -
    -
    -

    Burma Shave

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Al - it's been too long. Thanks!

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Glad to see these back Al, this one my all time favorite.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Let's resolve this. Between the gamers and servicemen on here, we should be able to come up with the single most bad-ass weapon to equip oneself with.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    For security in your own home you can't beat a 12 gauge shotgun with 00 buck. It's like being shot with 9 32 caliber bullets.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    I like shotguns.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    best quote ever 2 years ago during conversation about home defense:

    Me: honey shotguns have really long barrels and they are pretty heavy so you may want a smaller handgun.

    Her: can't we just reduce the length of the barrel?

    Me: you mean make a sawed off shotgun?

    Her: Yes

    Me: I would imagine that it's illegal.

    Her: did that ever stop Seagal?

    Her sense of humor has been evolving since we've been married.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    She is awesome.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    Picks: OT Gabe Carimi(notes), DT Stephen Paea(notes), S Chris Conte(notes), QB Nathan Enderle(notes), LB J.T. Thomas(notes).
    Grade: F
    Analysis: This is a grade on principle. If you agree to a trade, you should follow through on it. GM Jerry Angelo

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AmU_BoyOXF4eaANWtN.USC5DubYF?slug=jc-cole_2011_nfc_draft_grades_050111

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    Carimi and Leshoure. A banger of an rb and is sounding better all the time. We needed a Kreutz replacement more than we needed another tackle, but had to draft him really. Unless they like Edwin Williams a whole lot. We could have picked up a big DT with the third. When probably the best RB in the draft falls to you that low in the second round you draft him, right?

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Guy that was drafted right after Conte:

    Jets - Ellis, Kenrick DL 6'5" 346

    1. Carimi
    2. Leshoure
    3. King Kong

    I think that's how my draft would look. Sign Manning and play him at Free, and see how Pringles turns out at SS.

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    :o)

    Nah, I'm a Ghadaffi fan. Legend.

    Usama has a whole bunch of virgins all over him right about now. Sign me up.

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    +10000

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    Pringles over CH anyday at SS. Bringing in CH on certain run downs.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Please allow me, at least until Bourbonnais, to hug my dream that Conte will become Gary Fencik v2.0.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    MB, I thought Pringles was fast enough for FS but didn't play under control. Not to mention getting dinged up all the time (partly from playing out of control). I still think he can be a winner. Of course, I've always got my rose colored glasses on (with the exception of JA).

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    I think that's just inexperience canada.

    He's def. not polished, but from what I saw with a bunch of coaching he could be a beast back there.

    problem is... is john fucking hoke going to be the guy to do it. Don't think so... we need a great DB coach, and Hoke ain't it.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Here's my crazy off-season idea. Convert the Cannon.

    Apparently this Cannon dude was pretty quick for a human mountain, so ...

    1. Carimi. G/RT
    2. Moffit. C
    3. Boling G
    4. Cannon @ DT !

    OL issues become selection problems, and we have a 360 fast bastard at DT. With Melton beside him and Izzy and Pep at bookends.

    How hard can it be Jerry? Nah, we had to draft Craig Steltz, Muscles, and a guy who'll never start at QB.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Gotta love the Navy SEALS!!!!!!!!!!!

    I heard they killed a woman when they killed Bin Laden. One of the assholes was using her for a human shield. That didn't work too well.

    Hopefully Western countries will learn from all of this. Don't invade countries. Drone the fuckers and Special Ops the cocksuckers every chance you get.

    Did any of you see the documentary about the American captain of a ship that was captured by the Somali pirates? The Navy SEALS coordinated three shots at the same time and took out 3 pirates. The other pirate shit his pants and that was that.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Saw that on THE MILITARY CHANNEL, Canada.

    UNbelieveable!

    3, almost simultaneous, shots from the bobbing fantail of a cruiser taking out 3 pirates in a bobbing lifeboat.

    Definitely a DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    There's a report that one of Osama's (grown) sons got his ticket canceled too.

    TWO Bin laden's for the price of ONE?

    I didn't even know they were on special today!

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Tonight's lesson, boys and girls, IS a bit trite,
    but, it's ALSO tried and true:

    "You can run, but you can't hide."

  • In reply to PhantomOne:

    btw, did you guys see what number the BearJew took?

    http://www.chicagobears.com/team/roster.html

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    72!!!!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    The Fridge? Excellent. I hope he owns it for 10-12 years.

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    That Jerry Burns video rocked. The F-Bomb used as a noun, verb, adjective, adverb AND a conjunction. Awesome.

    http://www.roadsterdrift.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/hrdp_0703_101_zproject_f_bomb_chassis_build1973_chevrolet_camaro_project_car.jpg

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    Great film on Sonny Jurgensen here ...

    http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-films-presents

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Irish..THAT WAS "F"ing Old School baby!!!! loved the behind the back and boom..caught it.

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    And he got booed at Philly for doing that shit. Completed passes! Love the beer belly. "I don't throw the ball with my stomach."

    Legend.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Man, it shows you how plastic quarterbacks and players in general have become.

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    Superman renounces his US citizenship, sends Fox News redstaters into a frothed frenzy.

    http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2011/04/28/superman-renounces-citizenship-00th-issue/?test=faces

    Since smallville is in Kansas, I guess he'll stop being a Chiefs fans, too. (What I did there, you saw it)

  • In reply to gpldan:

    GP.. I want that ride.

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    wrong link GP..wanted this on the FBomb..

    as for fox news:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bODQe5wMG-g&playnext=1&list=PL6C60E10093CF6D6D

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    A 72 Camaro rocking 1500 bhp? A grocery getter.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfMEIgmjG_8

  • In reply to gpldan:

    GP, check out some of the cars a customer of mine has. He's a retired bank president and Army Reserve Colonel. He picked up most of these at military and police auctions relatively cheap compared to what they are worth. He has two garages, each bigger than his house, filled with kick-ass cars and a few high-speed boats. Some are worth well over 6 figures. http://www.dirksgarage.net/

  • In reply to gpldan:

    He never was a Chief's fan..

  • In reply to GuinnessPlease:

    I think Martz went to his pro day and liked the kid. That's probably why we drafted him.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    kinda like he liked collins Corm?

    Fuck.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    MMMMMMMMMMMMMBBBBBBBBBBBBB!!!!!!!!!!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I'm with dave and doc, but you guys know I wanted 3 olinemen. We COULD most certainly have done that without Belicheck... but not with the baffoons we employ.

    VERY easily could have ended up with BearJew, Franklin, and Moffitt.

    THAT is a draft I would have been VERY happy with. We can get a WR (sindney rice) and a DT (packer fuck), a DB, and even a back up QB in FA.

    Jerry blew this draft. C grade... and he only gets a C because he lucked into an almost botched RD 1 gift. You can say what you want, but our only real dire need was oline and we only got one of them. The rest might work out, they most likely won't except for paea. Sugar coat it all you want, Jerry is a terrible drafter.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    MB..agree 100%..many pundits giving a B.... WTF?... two out of five..? again FUCK ME!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    yeah, logo... those pundits will be the same ones fucking us every sunday in their columns and on TV. Lovely.

    btw, anyone else watching this Hominick fight? Holy shit!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Lobo

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I'm not unhappy with the draft by any stretch. I think the first three picks were good decisions... OL was a priority and Carimi fills the need; our DL is a strength and Paea keeps it that way (and was worth the trade); Conte fills another need at FS and hopefully will have some good football smarts.

    Moffett, Carimi's fellow Wisconsin lineman went about ten picks after we could have taken him if we didn't make a move for Paea. Considering he was expected to go in the mid-2nd, that might have been a better move, but I'm not too bent out of shape about that.

    Clint Boling (G, Georgia) got taken about 10 picks after Conte, but he's described as more of a technique player than a size guy, so not really what we were after.

    Now, where you have to wonder a bit more about the crap shoots are...

    In the 5th, we took the QB (who I expect to get cut in favor of a veteran backup... just like LeFevoure... unless maybe Hanie is better liked that we thought). Two OL guys were taken within the next five picks. Vandervelde again looks more of a technique guy (and not a great one, though he is 300 pounds), and Kilgore is really unpolished. I wonder if we should have looked at Allen Bradford as a FB prospect, possibly even trading down to do so so we had an extra pick in the 7th.

    A pick in the 7th could have netted us a kicker. And that is my big surprise. I would have liked us to get Chas Henry in the 7th with an extra pick. He's the best prospect in the draft as a true punter... and we need to be thinking about our next 10 year man at that position.

    As to the Thomas pick... it sounds like he's built for our system, so he could out-perform his draft grade. But who knows in that round... Maybe we could have traded the pick (or the 5th rounder) to move up in the 3rd and get a guard. I think that would have been a good move, but I don't know who I would have gone for.

    Moffett probably went too high to make a play for him after we got Paea. Would have been interesting though... there was a lot of trade activity right at that point in the draft.

  • In reply to mottystone:

    Nice analysis, although you scared me at first with the kicker thing. But in the rest of that paragraph you made it clear you meant a punter. I know it's not a popular opinion, but I still think our kicker is the best guy on the team.

  • In reply to mottystone:

    http://www.beerboxx.com/t-smisje-catherine-the-great-imperial-stout-33cl.html
    Oh, that's why I married her...she goes to Beertopia and buys me stuff like this! Fantastic brew. I highly recommend it.

    I'm not at the gloom and doom level with the draft. I think we aced the two most critical rounds for this team, whether by dumb luck or not. The willingness to make a move in the second round indicates to me that we're going to be active again in free agency at areas of need. Like a few others, Doc included, I again think that Carimi will contribute at LG this year unless Webb just crushes it in training camp. With the Bear Jew paving the way, I really think the interior run game could take a big, big step forward.
    And as dumb as the Ravens trade mix-up was, it didn't cost us a pick, we ended up with the guy we wanted anyway, and beyond that, I just don't give a fuck about it.
    We at least did not give up the next three drafts for a discipline problem with bad hands.

  • In reply to mottystone:

    McGee is our guy at punter unless I'm missing something. He's been groomed at it for the last two years, hasn't he?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Don't be so pessimistic you guys. It's not like our first picks are a pool jumper, an Oklahoma receiver, or a Pringles can. There's still free agency (maybe).

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    Hey, don't underestimate the psychological leverage that Pringles brings to each game.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    Paea is *definitely* a potential pool guy. Read the reports, no natural football instincts.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    pool guy was known for pool jumping. Paea is known as a bad ass D lineman that MULTIPLE teams had on their radar for their 2nd round pick including some of our fiercest rivals in the conference. c'mon mang.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Would folks have been happier with the following draft:

    (1) Carimi
    (2) [Traded up] Paea
    (3) [Traded up] Moffett
    (7) Chas Henry (the punter)

    I'm assuming that if we traded our 5th and 6th picks we could have moved up high enough in the 3rd to grab Moffett and pick up a late round 7.

  • In reply to mottystone:

    Carimi
    Franklin
    Moffett
    Trade 4,5,6

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    +1

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    FA:

    Wr
    Dt
    T

    We can pick up special teams players (our 6th rd lb) off waivers or practice squads.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    No DTs out there who are any good< MB, other than maybe Mebane. I saw Barry Cofield on one list but he wasn't on another. Soliai and Ngata are franchised.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    none better that a guys who's known for benchpressing... bullshit. Jenkins.

  • In reply to mottystone:

    That leaves us without a safety and an LB. No thanks. Paea wasn't worth the trade-up. People only know his name because he did 49 BPs. Then they said nice things about him because he was a 2nd rd pick. That's not what they were saying on Total Access the week before ....

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    ???? irish, ar you conducting some sort of social and psychological experiment. You are litterally changing your pov up and down the board.

    Leaves us without a FS and LB!?!?!?! Dude, really? Like we found our answer in fucking conte and thomas????

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    we don't need an answer at LB. we have Urlacher, Briggs and can easily re-sign Roach, Pisa and even McGlover if we want. There are tons of other LB options so i'm not concerned about that position yet.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Where would they put all those lineman? If they get their heads out of their asses they'll put BearJew at LG, Williams at LT, Garza at RG and Webb at RT. There's no way they're benching Garza, Webb, or Kreutz so where would they put them? At least this way they managed to grab someone for ST.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I've never been a Martz fan, just saying that was his guy.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    and Johnathan Quinn was Terry Shea's guy.

  • In reply to GuinnessPlease:

    Bears site say "Pie-uh"

  • Here is the full version:

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/breaking/chi-110430-angelo-draft,0,4885506.story

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    Waffle..read it... and I puked a little in my mouth.

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    the part about free agency is the part that has me interested. They are pulling out the pocketbook. You can't fix years of idiocy with one draft but we had 2 good rounds, 1 possible helpful round and we're about to address WR and G so that is going to be helpful.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    Why do you think they'll address WR after going blue in the face telling us they're "set at receiver". "We like who we have."

    They really do believe that Knox is a good receiver. They're the professionals, they see something I just don't. I see speed that's seldom used and nothing else. Hester has hands, speed, but no size. Shabba, incredibly, could be out the door.

    Our weapons did not improve in this draft - you can call the QB a weapon in four years if you like, but we'll look a lot different then. Everyone else in our division got stronger. We failed to address the Detroit DL with 2 or more OL picks. Hopefully Conte nullifies the new toys for Rodgers somewhat, but if he's not starting soon ...

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    we addressed needs irish. we are going to address more in free agency. Bullocks and Manning are free agents. Safety was a need. we can't spend money on a FA safety when we need to spend it on WR and OL.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    The fact that 2 of the 5 picks will immediately start, that is good enough for me. If Conte can come in on nickle packages and cover a big WR or TE, that would be gravy. Honestly, I think Chris Harris might be done. He was burned numerous times last year and has lost his thump. If J.T can learn all positions and contribute on ST, that would be considered a success. The more I think about the QB pick the more I embrace it. Like Jeff said, if it means Hanie is solidified as our #2, then the pick makes sense. Plus the guy is what 6'4 or something, that's a big boy.

  • In reply to Joseph:

    earlier on the post:

    Enderle is a pocket passer, but doesn't have the greatest arm. His arm is said to be average.

  • In reply to Joseph:

    I thought because of Harris, the safety position was run properly. He layed wood quite a few times this year. Who burned him?

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    All year long man, I didn't get the love. He's a hitman, not cover guy.

  • In reply to Joseph:

    CH was done before he got here, hence Carolina not being able to believe their luck when they got Jamar Williams for him. Jebus H. Interceptions my ass, probably covered up the TDS he cost us.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    You're smoking crack Irish. You're hard on for Williams has you blinded. Chris Harris did more for us in one year then Jamar ever did for us or the Panthers.

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    I only remember two plays where he was a great safety and one bad play.

    Remember when he laid the wood on Williams in the Cowboy's game and he was also the one to pick off Sanchez's int that won the game for us.

    I do remember him letting Harvin get open one game though.

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    Irish, Paea will play good. He just doesn't have pass rushing skills. He is someone who can plug up the holes though and him with AA, we should be great at the run.

    Something tells me that Paea will be our run stuffer and Melton our DT pass rusher.

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    From what I've read he's got a great first step and can be highly disruptive. If that's true, he will flushing QB's out of the pocket. Hopefully into the arms of Peppers and Izzy.

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    I see Briggsy had 56 runstuffs or whatever to his name, NFL leader! All our boys need to pursue, so I hope he works out. Can't teach instinct, and they say he hasn't got it. Let's give him a chance to prove them wrong. If he keeps learning ...

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    If if wasn't for Marinelli I'd be skeptical. I like the fact he can play both tackle positions. Hope he brings it.

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    speak the truth professor!

    Harris lost a step but still performed admirably. Only a couple of occasions that made me cringe.

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    The Bears intend to keep three quarterbacks on their 53-man roster this season and don

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    B85S23..like falling off a log.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    What phrase might ass-clowns Jerry Angelo & Donald Trump have in common?

    "Today, I'm very proud of myself, because I've accomplished something that nobody else has been able to accomplish,"

    yes. prove to the world you are ASS-CLOWNS!!

  • Max..the double whammy!

  • Boling instead of Conte and then either Cannon or a WR would have been sweet. Why a developmental QB when the window of opportunity for the heart of this roster is so small - don't they see the window?

  • Martz will sort that out. That's fixable.

  • Amen. The man is suffering from dementia.

  • Max, you know full well that the Bears know which FA's they are going after and now that the draft went a certain way it solidified which direction they want to go.

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