Positional Analysis: Offensive Line

The Bears had serious issues on the offensive line at the end of the 2009 season.  In mid-January they hired one of the best line coaches in the sport, Mike Tice.  They believed their second-year, first-round draft pick would assume the role of top tier left tackle.  They believed Frank Omiyale's versatility would be an asset for them, not for the dozens of edge rushers who treated him as a subway turnstile.  They were wrong.  They turned to a hundred different combinations and rookies in various roles.  The turned everywhere.

Who the Bears decide to commit to along the front five will go a long way to determining how much the offense can improve in year two of the Mike Martz system.  The question is, who will they commit to?
Olin Kreutz
Kreutz is no longer an elite player at his position, struggling at times to get to the outside.  The Bears have also lacked (for some time) the ability to make two yards or less up the middle on crucial downs.  Do I blame Kreutz for all of this?  No.  Can he escape without blame?  No.  He's a free agent so his asking price may determine whether the club brings him back.  I'd personally like to see one of my all-time favorite Bears finish his career here but the Bears must be actively seeking his replacement. 


Roberto Garza

I have no idea if Roberto Garza is good or not.  Not even joking.  I think he's a perfectly serviceable right guard.  Nothing more than that.
Chris Williams
The Bears have too much money invested in Williams to expect them to cut ties but I believe he was the poorest performer on the line all season long.  He looks slow, he commits too many penalties and he whiffs on more blocks than I care to remember.  If he were a free agent next month there is no way on earth the Bears would re-sign him.  That should tell you whether he belongs in the starting five.  Best case might be a swing tackle/guard off the bench.  A very expensive swing tackle/guard off the bench.
J'Marcus Webb
Sometimes you have to commit to potential in this league and Webb is 6'8", 335 pounds of potential.  Webb is a starter in this league, without question, but the true evaluation may be in determining whether or Webb projects to be a better right or left tackle.
Frank Omiyale
He got better, everybody says, but how much?  Some graded Omiyale as a better-than-average left tackle by season's end but shouldn't the Bears require more than better-than-average to protect the blindside of their franchise quarterback?  
How many do you target for replacement?  Who stays?  Who goes?

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  • Kreutz - resign him for 3 years, heavy on the incentives, plus a nice chunk of change in year one as a gratuity; then, draft his replacement in round 1 this year.
    Garza - needs to be pushed in camp; no idea what his contract situation is off the top of my head. My gut says he will be our longest tenured O-lineman in about 18 months.
    Cookie - Kreutz' replacement should replace the Monster in camp at LG this year.
    Omiyale - this year he is a keeper; I think by September 2012, this is going to be Webb's home.
    Webb - future starting LT. This year, he steps it up at RT and Greg Olsen has a big year because of it.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Not that I expect Kreutz to outlast his contract, but it secures the position in the short term and he shouldn't find it insulting.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Ditto, MBP.

    I think it's funny everyone is so vague about Garza. You know he's there, but.......

    I like Olin and hope he finishes with the Bears. Webb is going to really be something, I think.

  • In reply to sjvl:

    I remember a picture of him carrying a pallet worth of Charmin to the dorms at Bourbonnais.

    That and a few run plays.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    He's like a good HVAC system. If it's working correctly, you don't even notice it.

  • In reply to sjvl:

    Great analogy - love it.

  • In reply to sjvl:

    Definitely need to draft a Kruetz replacement. I'm not going to pretend to be an expert at the position, but he has not been passing the ole eye test for the past 2+ seasons. He's been our starting center since Big Cat Williams manned the left tackle spot. Maybe he's more of the problem than we think.

    Next year is make or break for Williams. I think he's too weak for guard, and too stupid for tackle. Someone needs to get the man a bowflex machine in in the off season. Twiggy.

    I think our best bet is to draft 3 lineman in the 1st 3 rounds of the draft, and bring in 2 veterans. Have them all compete with our current starters in camp and let that determine who's on the field come opening day.

  • In reply to MASOCHR:

    Gotta agree on the draft Coach. Been saying it since training camp.

    The fact that Cutler survived 2010 is a minor miracle.

  • In reply to Mastodon:

    Cutler didn't make it - made it within a half a game, but we lost him when it counted.

  • In reply to nnnnnnnn:

    point

  • In reply to Mastodon:

    I say restructure Kreutz a new affordable contract. Give Williams another year at LG, and bring in some competition in for WEBB at RT. As for Garza and Omiyale, reliable backups but nothing more.

  • In reply to Grizzly559:

    They had Omelette in at LT when Williams wasn't right. The big money man was going to be hard to move after that so they plugged Williams in at LG. He's not a guard though, and they were putting a peg in a square hole and making him earn a paycheck. Might have been better served by putting either Omelette or CW at RT instead of the rook (although Omelette did suck prodigiously at RT). They can't tell us they can't find two guards to start from either Garza, Asiata, Louis or Edwin Williams. Chris Williams isn't a guard and shouldn't be playing G for the Chicago Bears, they've got Guards, outside of Garza mostly inexperienced, but we have dudes that are actual guards. Chris was a first rounder, he's got to be playing tackle for this football team.

    This is what I find incredible - Frank Omiyale is a better left tackle than Chris Williams? Really? Or does he just earn more, so he gets first dibs on positions?

    We draft a center as first order of business. We've got a couple of guards there we could start two from, a couple of good tackles is what we don't have so that gets drafted second, try and pick up a decent guard in the third, hope you get either a good G or T through free agency.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    I don't think you watched the Bears play in October if you think Cookie was top of the pops for us at Tackle.

  • In reply to Mastodon:

    Last thread, care of Waffle: "If Todd Collins played in the 40's he would be Sid Luckman."

    Waffle, have you ever seen them in the same crypt...er, room together?
    Good thing there was no NFL Films in the 1940's. It gives Todd plausible deniability.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Collins looks like my accountant and plays like a scarecrow posing as an accountant. He couldn't even bring the ball past his fucking ear. When he went in the game instead of Hanie my wife said she had never heard such violent shouting. It was like giving up when they put him in. Fucking Collins. He should just give his fucking game checks back. what a piece of old dried up shit.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    hee hee

    "YOU SUCK COLLINS FUCK YOU!!!"

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    lol o shit....Cutty about to get hitched?

    http://www.statestsports.com/posts.php?id=75

    pretty funny analysis (although it was a passive-aggressive diss). all in good fun tho

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    Kristin better hope he dont bum his knee on his way down the aisle, or she is fucked.

  • In reply to Grizzly559:

    He might have to get another cortizone shot if he gives her the ol sidewinder Fres.

  • In reply to sjvl:

    I'm still trying to figure out what happened to Williams. He was drafted where he should have been. I think he was rated third best left tackle in the draft and I think thats where we took him. He looked like a keeper when he played so well to finish up his first season. I think Webb will be a fixture on the right side. Im not sure his feet are fast enough for the other side. Olin definitely is coming to an end. I would like to see us draft the other Pouncey twin. He can probably start at the guard position and get schooled a little at center by Olin and take over the job when he is ready. He played center all year for the Gators and improved after a bit of a shaky start. I'll wait and see who are the free agents we can acquire before saying whether Frank O or Williams are replaceable. Some things need to be clarified to see how it will all play out.

  • In reply to sjvl:

    Did we lose Beekman? I liked him taking over the C position for Olin. I believe in Webb for year to come. Garza was pretty silently bad this year. He didn't draw too many false starts, but got blown up a lot. I look for C. Williams to finally settle in at a position with a full year under his belt at G and have a rebound year. We must bring some vets in (not projects) to compete.

    Hopefully, last note on Cutler's injury:

    Bears trainer Bream was available to shut the media up after C. Williams back surgery fiasco, but was unavailable to quell fans and the media after the Cutler injury in the largest game in franchise history?

    http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2011/02/bettis-bears-pr-blunder-sparked-cutler-criticism.html

  • In reply to Crowned:

    He was a Tusker (now Virginia Destroyers) in the UFL last year after getting waived at the 53-man cutdown.

  • In reply to Crowned:

    we can speculate but it really depends on who falls to us in the 1st round. I expect we pick the best player available at either guard (center), tackle, D tackle and possibly even CB (since Jennings was shouting Ole! to the Packers receivers during the NCF title game). If its a guard I expect Williams to be moved. If its a tackle I expect Omelet to be benched. This thinking goes for rounds 2 and 3 also.

  • In reply to jdawg:

    JD, if we pick a fucking DT or a fucking CB in rd 1 (or two or three), I swear I'll have irish carbomb angelo's taurus.

    ...so I should probably start talking to irish about how he's going to do it huh?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    If we stay with the cover 2 we need a Harris replacement and there isn't one currently on the roster. I'm not advocating picking a DT in the first round, but if the best available player is by far and away a DT it wouldn't shock me if the took him.

  • In reply to jdawg:

    maybe Fairley will commit a triple homicide this off-season, helping him drop down to the 29th spot in the draft.

    that's the only way i'd advocate taking a DT w/the first pick.

  • In reply to Crowned:

    MBP... cookie... niiiiice.

    Excellent, Jeff

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I feel like this is another example of trying to do too much. We can't get 3 free agents on O-line in one off-season. We can't sell out the draft on the O-line (although worse things could happen). We can spend three of the top five picks on O-line and that would be huge, but the team does have other needs. We can bring in 1, maybe 2 free agents, but more than that is too expensive.

    For next season, I'm looking at Webb to stick around. Kruetz or Garza will still be starting. Williams or Omiyale may also still be starting. And Lance Louis could also see another chance at guard now that he actually got the chance to develop.

    2 to 3 new starters is enough for one off-season. You have to have continuity and you have to make smart moves, not desperate ones. Lets not turn into the Redskins.

  • In reply to mottystone:

    Meh...

    I get the basic sentiment, but with an oline (especially one at this level of neglect) I prefer to prescribe to the 'it only takes one terribly weak link' theory, and right now we have 4 terribly weak links.

    Not doing enough will end up being just that... not enough in our case. I get what you

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    btw, I DID post disclaimers about my thoughts previous to posted said thoughts

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    The only liability you'll have is if they give you the GM spot. That's the difference between us and Angelo... we can spend all the picks on one area and the worst that happens is nobody listens. Angelo pulls that, and next year we're complaining that the secondary and DT positions are struggling. That and he gets fired... oh wait.

  • In reply to mottystone:

    Yes, that's always true NB, this is my one and only formus for my thoughts on the subject.

    Exactly.

    Like I've said many times before, JA is a blind squirrel. I simply don't want a blind squirrel who can't be fired as our GM any more.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    uh, that's "forum"

  • In reply to mottystone:

    You know, after reading the 3 comments above the juxtaposition of different personalities to be found in the law profession cracks me up. NB, you remind me of my father-in-law, esq. Crown

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Gosh I hope I'm younger than your father in law. My kids don't even know how to blog yet.

  • In reply to mottystone:

    Hahaha... yes, you are NB. My brother is also a lawyer, so I've been around more of the signature prototypes. You simply seem to be of the more serious ilk. Nothing wrong at all with that, just an observation sir.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Truth be told I think the resistance to foul language and lowbrow humor is more a jewish thing than a lawyer thing... one of these days DBB will have a group trip to watch the Bears win the Superbowl and you can see my wild side.

  • In reply to mottystone:

    HAHAHAHHA... funny thing is that Crown IS jewish.

    That was pretty funny NB.

  • In reply to mottystone:

    If possible I say launch them all. When you give up 50 plus sacks and getting Cutler destroyed you don't deserve to play a single snap. They have been getting blown off the ball ever since training camp/preseason. Fuck'em all. Is it realistic? probably not. Am I bitter/pissed off? You're goddamn right I am!

  • In reply to Joseph:

    Fuckin A. Airlock the lot of them, Even if you spent your first three rounds drafting a C, G a LT and grab two players in FA - I don't think you'd have a worse line, would you? Keep Asiata, Louis, the Williams sisters, Webb for pissing contests, and just airlock the lot of 'em. No tears here. We're paying Omelette twelve million dollars a year? What?

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    I don't know where you come up with those numbers, Irish - his ENTIRE contract was less than $12 million.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Yeah, stand corrected. Even at that he's overpaid.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Remind me again how Tommie got a 4 year, $40 million extension in 2008?

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    One word mbp... jerry angelo and lovie smith

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Ha, That's 4 words MB.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    I know trac... that's part of the joke.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Duuuhhhh... sorry, just woke up.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    His faith doesn't harm things around Ginnie and Lovie. Two people closer to God for different reasons. They're looking for redemption in Tommie. The Prodigal Son. My $0.02.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Truth be told I think the resistance to foul language and lowbrow humor is more a jewish thing than a lawyer thing... one of these days DBB will have a group trip to watch the Bears win the Superbowl and you can see my wild side.

  • In reply to mottystone:

    There are no quick fixes - this is what we always come back to, Angelo let it slide. pooched us for a long time to come, the damage isn't done yet.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Sometimes it may seem I'm an Angelo apologist. I swear I'm not and this thought is exactly why. Angelo's decisions following the 2005 and 2006 seasons are coming back to bite us. It was utterly irresponsible to draft Benson when the Bears needed an O-lineman badly. Only 1 Offensive lineman selected in those 2 years and it was with their final pick in 2006 Tyler Reed a Guard. In 2005 there were 3 (Free Agent acquisitions) linemen over 31 years old (Tait 31, Brown 33 and Miller 32). Marc Colombo was still a Bear in 2005. Kreutz was still elite in 2005 and 2006 but they had to know he would decline fairly soon (2007 was the year in my opinion).

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81e37fc1/article/2011-playoff-picture-could-look-very-different?module=HP_cp2

    Interesting discussion. I don't agree with some of the analysis (like pinning the Bears future on Cutler, moron), but he does mention Detroit as an up and comer.

    Still, next year I suspect Detroit is plus .500, but the Bears and Packers will both go back to the playoffs in my estimation. At least, I hope that's how it goes.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Dirty dirty Sanchez

    http://deadspin.com/#!5755011/the-somewhat-romantic-story-of-mark-sanchez-and-a-17+year+old-girl

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Not dirty according to the law in his home state GP. 17 is jussssst right.

  • In reply to Crowned:

    It may be legal, but that doesn't make it right.

  • In reply to Crowned:

    Is that your kid FQ? I thought you were black bro. lol #16 style. That's cutler right in santa claus? I'm all for bringing in Rodgers. Washington/Traylor 3.0.

  • In reply to Crowned:

    That's funny. I did too. Same with you, Crown, due the fact that I actually picture Denny Green when I read of your escapades. Makes for an alarmingly funny twist on all of your stories.

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    yea that's Cutler lol. and yes i'm black (only 24...too young to be having kids right now lol)

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    Too smart to be having kids right now, you mean.

  • In reply to Crowned:

    Good read gents. This guy nails it. Like me, he seems to think Jerry made some shrewd moves in the offseason as well.

    http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2011/02/bears-positional-analysis-offensive-line.html

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Good find Trac. I think the biggest unknown among players we have right now is Lance Louis. In my mind, the best outcome for us without any shocking offseason moves would go something like:

    LT - Omiyale / 2nd or 3rd round pick
    LG - Garza / Center of the future drafted in first round
    C - Kruetz
    RG - Lance Louis
    RT - Webb

    Bench: Williams, Garza and Omiyale

    I do not think we need Logan Mankins. The guy is great, but we don't need to trade picks with the Patriots for a guard, and we don't need to spend 8 million on a guard either.

  • In reply to mottystone:

    Wow NB, I have to say that this is incrediby realistic... but that's just another week this year man. Just tice experiment #18.

    We have that line up next year and we're going to have a very similar sack count. I'm on the same plane as Joe... slash and burn baby. Continuity with shit, is still just shit man.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I don't know about that... My "realistic" prediction has two high draft picks filling out the left side of the line with veterans going to the bench as the rookies become ready. And the right side has two of our better prospects (Webb and Louis). And Kruetz, well he's Kruetz, and I did put the center of the future at guard, so he can slide over if Olin goes down.

  • In reply to mottystone:

    Mankins is an FA (unless they franchise him). but i agree...build the line from the draft

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    The trading picks comment was due to the franchise tag.

  • In reply to mottystone:

    I just feel a line of guards like Asiata/Louis around the first rounder we draft at center feels like the way to go. Draft a tackle in the second round and bring a tackle in through FA. Hope that we have two tackles between the draft pick, Chris Williams, Omelette, Webb and Shaffer.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Good post. Couple lines that stuck with me trac

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Why isn't anyone commenting on that second piece? Why isn't that the scariest thing you've read about this team in a long time give the last two years? I'm being dead serious. If ja has been the guardian draft fairy of the oline every year, how can you not be terrified of this year's draft given his performance thus far?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    OMFG, Kreutz is one of your favorite Chicago Bears ever? What the fuck is the matter with you? Seriously. Name a single football play where you can remember him going out, hitting a linebacker or safety and pushing him to the ground. He's slow. He's weak. He's short. He's stupid. He has little skill hiking the ball in the shotgun formation. He's been a liability since 2004. He's terrible currently and has no place on a professional football team. He is quite possibly the worst center in the entire sport.

    If he starts next year I will not watch a single game.

  • In reply to mikebdot:

    Then get used to solitaire mikey. I am willing to bet you that the Bears make two concerted efforts to plug the line. One at guard through the draft and one at tackle via free agency. The rest of our draft picks will be used to plug WR, LB, DT and Seconondary positions.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    I'm hoping Pouncy falls to us in the 1st round.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Ok. I thought of something.. Can we agree that Pepper's got blocked by two people most of the time? If so, we need a dend that can win one on one or perform just like Pepper's. That would make the cover two even more efficent. Rodger's a free agent, if he can play in a 4-3 then yes let's get him. I think Rodger's probally faces a lot of double teams and heck, he blocks kicks just like Pepper's and Izzy. I haven't done my tape on Rodger's but he can't suck to the point that he can't win one on ones? If so, then we don't need him. I know, this is all about the offense but we won't have Urlacher or Pepper's forever. They actually change games. If we draft or a fa pickup, a great dt and dend. This D will be great. As long as, Pepper's and Urlacher are still playing at a high level.

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    Yes we do need another DE that can wreak havoc. I like Izzy, the man has great hustle, but time from time he gets beat alot on 1v1.

  • In reply to Grizzly559:

    I think we got him, Woot, Woot

  • In reply to Grizzly559:

    Don Banks being somewhat 'not a complete idiot': http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/don_banks/02/10/nfc-offseason-questions/index.html?eref=sihp

    Plax, don't see the bears bringing in a guy that's been in the pen.

    Check AJ Hawk's situation in GB... Hmmmmm.... interesting.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    MB...read about that crossroads (about Hawk) on another writers column can't remember who though.

    I find it interesting they still go to WR first rather than protect Jc's arse. I don't get it. If he is upright then he can throw the rock..duh?

    as for Plexo..LDL would be the next Andy Reid...don't see that happening with LDL..maybe be can call his buddy dungheap and they can do an intervention...."NOT"

    as for Hawk could be an interesting spin...

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Plaxico is 20 pounds lighter coming out of prison then going in. 20 pounds.

    A steady diet of tossed salad will do that (I guess) and my personal take is - I'd rather give David Terrell another shot - call him up at the Used Car dealership he works at and tell him to bring his sweats...

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Man, I never ever ever want to go to prison.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I think Plax would be worth a look and a Gamble. I don't think hes is the Criminal Vick type. He is just kind of stupid to carry his gun to a NY club in the elastic waist of some sweat pants he was probably saggin low. I dont beleive he will be any problem for any team the rest of his career.

  • In reply to iamndmurff:

    Our fearless leaders normally do a pretty good job leaving the basket cases for other teams to sign Murph. Plaxico would have to sell himself to anyone that signs him. Not sure he's going anywhere but back to the G-Men. They know what they have in him.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Semen is pure protein. Just sayin'. If Pax come sout lookin all ripped ... and yes, sign him in a second .

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Plax even... although he might have slipped an L in the showers ....

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    He's being a complete idiot MB...he suggested that we should look at Pastic Ho when he gets out of the clink....no thanks mr banks, you my friend are a giant toilet bowl-swirling, nostril burning, peanut infuzed, rotting piece of monkey shit.

  • In reply to MASOCHR:

    I should have couched that statement coach. You are 100% right... I meant that when talking about WR needs. He's at least throwing some realisticals out there.

    I was expecting him to say get a new Qb or some utterly ridiculous shit. Guess that tells you where my expectations are for the guy.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I suppose it does, MB. We all know it needs to be OL before all else.

  • In reply to MASOCHR:

    Plax is straight up better than any receiver we have. He must be really fucking dumb to shoot himself in a nightclub, but he can catch a football if you put it up there for him. We can use a gut that can do that.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    And if Big Ben gets 4 weeks suspension for rape, then Plax has done his time.

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    Hub Arkush was saying the other day that he would love to see Rodgers in a Bears uniform and that we should snatch him up immediately if available.

  • In reply to mikebdot:

    Little harsh there Mike. Olin had plenty of plays this year where he got out to take a safety or backer out. He is 6'2 hardly what I would call short, especially for a center. I wouldnt call him weak, hes smart enough to have been a center and a multiple pro bowl center in the NFL so I'd say stupid doesnt fit. He is the undisputed leader in the locker room. To say he has been a liability since 04 is just plain nuts. Did Olin stop by your house and piss in your oatmeal this morning? Slap the snot out of you in some bar? I agree with Trac, you might as well sell the TV because he isnt quite done playing.

  • In reply to mikebdot:

    Does anyone think Jerry will trade up to get Pouncy? I think this kid would be worth the effort.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Hell no. Cmon Trac, all his recent drafts, what makes you think he will?

  • In reply to Grizzly559:

    You never know, this could be the year he gets aggressive. I think Jerry knows better than any of us what needs to be done to put us over the top. In years past he hasn't wanted to take the risk when it comes to O-line strategy. I agree that based on his history, it's unlikely to happen. The way I look at it though, Jerry's strategy will be to get the most bang for the buck or pay extra to fill glaring needs. It could very easily go either way.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    I doubt it Trac.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Walter mock draft has him falling down to us and thats who we draft. http://walterfootball.com/draft2011_1.php He has always been projected as a late first round pick. See how it all plays out in the combines and we will have a good idea if he will be available at our spot.

  • In reply to iamndmurff:

    "Exiled" if ja does not get an O-lineman ..I think an old fashion hanging should happen..

    p.s. ooooohhhhh would like Pouncey..but not sure if he last that late.

  • In reply to iamndmurff:

    Lets hope so Murph. Lets also hope that if we get him, he plays as well as his bro.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    I think a year at guard, learn the center ropes for a year with Olin, he would slide over to the center position for the '12 season.

  • In reply to iamndmurff:

    I am really, really OK with that plan.

  • In reply to iamndmurff:

    I'm just saying it again now - I think Ingram is going to fall to us and I don't think Jerry is going to be able to stop himself.

    I am NOT arguing for this to happen. But I have a feeling it's going to this year. If it does, it's going to have an interesting effect on the ST roster by opening weekend.
    I'd much prefer we upgrade interior blocking. Taylor's numbers in the postseason were equivalent to Forte's rushing numbers minus the carries. His problem is he's not contributing on ST and his regular season average was puuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuutrid.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I guess next time I'll read lobotobear's posts before I hop on.
    Kinda reinforces what I'm thinking though. If Ingram is there, we'll take him.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I mean FQD and his chet post...damn, Odell Brewery is having it's way with me tonight.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    talked to Mike Wright on twitter (he's a beat reporter for the Bears); said according to his sources, Chester's staying.

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    Taylor is a very inexpensive option at running back if we keep him this year. He's only due like 1.25 million. The only guys we bring in that make less than that are going to be either low draft picks or veteran minimum types that won't see the field unless Forte gets hurt.

  • In reply to mottystone:

    agreed

  • In reply to mikebdot:

    I don't think you will have to trade up.

  • In reply to mikebdot:

    Pass the shit your smoking.

  • In reply to Grizzly559:

    He's smoking labrador

  • In reply to Grizzly559:

    Hey Fres. Gut check my man, please. Hate to say it but lately if you had changed your handle name to Big Cheesy, I wouldn't be able to tell the difference based on your recent comments. Read some Rudyard Kipling or something. All will be ok, I promise.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Yall thought I was tripping about Jay, but this dude is clearly on another level. REDONKULOUS!

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    No offense meant fres, just trying to walk you off the ledge.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Pot. Kettle. Blackness.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Hee hee.

    I was going to jokingly use the same biblical refrence trac... but I didn't want you to feel attacked or ganged up on. It's all lighthearted smack talking amongst regs man.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    GP, there's a huge difference between complimenting a QB for outstanding play and achievements even though he plays for the enemy and calling your own QB a gutless punk for leaving a game after a game ending injury. I have criticized Cutty's abilities and decision making on the field numerous times which is in a whole different category than assassinating the guys Character. I thought we were supposed to be Bears fans that know the difference. Heck, I still think trading for the guy was a mistake based on what we had to give up for him but that's water under the bridge now. He's our QB and he's not going anywhere anytime soon so that discussion is moot. I watched all 18 games this year and unless there is something else at play that I didn't see take place at any time Cutler was on the field, there is no way in hell anyone claiming to be a Bears fan that watched Cutty play behind our line all season long can possibly say with a straight face that he's a pussy or a quitter. I can understand some of you guys being pissed off that we lost to the Packers the way that we did but at least be honest that you don't have a leg to stand on when it comes to his toughness. That argument is bullshit and I can't understand how anyone can say otherwise.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    I think he was talking about both of you guys flipping out on the blog at some point... but I won't speak for him, just myself.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Then he read more into my comments than was implied. I just hate to see Bears fans call Cutty a coward. That is the one thing he definitely is not.

  • In reply to mikebdot:

    You, my friend, are football retarded

  • In reply to MASOCHR:

    Kreutz was named to an all-decade team. To say he has always sucked is historical revisionism. He was a brawler with a mean streak for at least his first 7-8 years in the league.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    Or it could just be revisionist History.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    Was. Past tense bro, can't walk the walk anymore it's time to saddle up and ride out of town. We need to get younger at center next year.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    if its consential its all good brotha! lol

  • In reply to gpldan:

    The question is, did he pull his signature move?

    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=dirty%2Bsanchez

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Whomever said Beekman was solid did not watch Beekman play, that's all there is to say about that...

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Why wasn't he picked up then? UFL? He must be great.

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    I wanted Beekman to be good so badly in 09 but he just wasn't good. I thought the kid could excel at guard but as i watched him play i felt myself vomit a bit in my mouth.

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    I retract. I thought you said "whoever said Beekman WASN'T solid..."

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    Keep Olin to direct traffic and kick ass in the locker room. Draft and/or sign as many FA's as possible for the OL. Have Tice involved in all of this and listen to him.

    One last thing about the Cutler fiasco. My take is the Bears brass didn't want to embarrass him so they didn't say anything. What they needed to say was "He got hurt at the start of the 2nd Quarter. He wasn't sharp all game. He tried to go in the 3rd Quarter and we decided he was hurting us more than helping." That might not look like a great endorsement of Cutler but it's the truth. Everyone could live with that and all this pussy bullshit would have blown over in a heartbeat.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I did. I thought he was a young prospect. I liked him when he played guard. I thought he was all around solid. Much like Webb is. Just needs to be coached up.

  • In reply to Grizzly559:

    Sean Rodgers released? let's get his big ass:

    http://bit.ly/f6QuL1

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    Looks like he was over the hill 2 seasons ago. I'll pass.

  • In reply to Grizzly559:

    During the time he was playing with us he was behind Garza, and Olin when they were kicking ass. He really didnt have much room to shine.

  • In reply to Grizzly559:

    well third thought, maybe Im just talking out of my ass, cause i really dont remember much about the guy.

  • In reply to Grizzly559:

    That's about what I thought. He got benched from left guard in favor of Omiyale who was a tackle. That didn't work so we put Omiyale at his natural position of suckiness, left tackle. Doing so caused us to move another sucky tackle to left guard where his suck could really shine. To summarize, Beekman was ultimately benched and released so we could rotate two sucky tackles at his posish, where they are even suckier.

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    +1. Beekman did his job at gaurd and looked promising as a future center. He was benched simply because the blind squirrel payed Omelette the big bucks. Omilaye came in and shit the bed, but they stuck with him because he got paid bank. They should have let Beekman develop. Wouldn't be suprised if the kid gets another chance before long.

  • In reply to Crowned:

    The sacks are mostly due to Martz's system. Look at the article I posted below. Sacks follow Martz's teams around like flies on stink.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    No trac, sacks are mostly due to shitty players cobbled together by a guy who has no fucking clue how to build a strong, deep o-line (see the article you posted below... see how I did that?)

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    The problem with that premise (and I'm not saying it is -entirely- inaccurate, just mostly) is that we know that adjusting to shorter drops and emphasizing the run game led to a massive reduction in sacks. In fact, the Bears gave up more sacks in October than they did in November and December combined...and then some. Same basic array of players (with the exception that Irish's man-crush, Shaffer, got himself benched permanently and Cookie moved inside). Our O-line benefited tremendously from not having to pass-protect to 6 mississippi.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    MB, then answer me this O great swammie. Why did Forte have his best yards per carry average of his short career after our play calling became more reasonable half way through the season?

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    I was being a bit facetious and somewhat contrarian... but it wasn't just the system trac. I agree that with our line it was obvious that basic 'just beat your man' football wasn't going to work and more dynamic playcalling was necessary.

    Since you brought it up, I would wonder how many of the yards on the ground came between the tackles. (Not that it's a singular measure of line success or anything, but it's a clue)

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I agree with the lack of success up the middle MB. Could also have a lot to do with blocking schemes.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    But tice is supposed to be a genius... and from what he got out of the guys we had up there, I'm on board so far.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Speaking of T's. Did anyone come up with a good idea that Jeff decided he was gonna role with?

  • In reply to Crowned:

    Wrong, wrong, and wrong.
    Sorry - not gonna debate this again, but if Beekman was a bundle of potential, he'd have found a place EVEN if it was Omiyale's contract starting over him. Go watch some film of 2009 again.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Like I said earlier, he's tiny - Big Herm is more likely to get starter minutes at G than Beekman is to see another day of Bears practice.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    +1

    Some bad memories around here. Beekman got a legit shot. He sucked.

  • In reply to Crowned:

    how the hell do you bold on here?

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    mr. fucking Gen-Y. Common man! Basic HTML FQ. Bold, italics... just the basics. Just google basic HTML.

    Fucking Gen-y. SMH.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    why don't you get off my ass and get some "Just For Men" for your pubic hairs, Old Man River...

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    and just in case you can't read that b/c it's not highlighted for you, let's recap:

    JUST...FOR...MEN!!!!

    see? we all can learn. lol

    (but for real...thanks. didn't know if it was HTML or some other shit)

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    The answer was always there right at your feet Dorothy ...

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    Good thing Jersey Flyer isn't here on that one...

  • In reply to gpldan:

    hee hee

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Yellow rice... 'cause we're ending rice-ism

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    Shawn Rodgers to replace Butter? Going once, going twice...

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=6106246

  • In reply to gpldan:

    The guy is a major liability for injuries. I'm not against giving him a shot to stay healthy, but how much are you willing to pay?

    Also, doesn't Cleveland play a 3-4? Has this guy ever played a Tampa-2 style 4-3 defense?

  • In reply to mottystone:

    If yo a big mofo, yo can play. Throw Shaun Rodgers in on that line, cos it can't get any lazier on the inside as it is.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    interesting article..not a big Bowen fan but his first part of the article sums up what we are all talking about, btw I would have no problem picking either of these beast's in the draft:

    http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Can-the-Bears-keep-pace-with-the-Packers.html

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    The Bears can't afford to just keep pace with GB. They need to get better than GB. O-line upgrades will give them a better advantage than any other area they could improve on. Do this and wa la, the Bears win the Division again.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    I like the "They need to get better" attitude trac

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    as the previous year I asked for...wait or it..wait for it...yes a FU!$#@$#!@$#!ING Guard: is it him?

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/601038-nfl-mock-draft-2011-with-the-draft-order-set-where-does-cam-newton-fall/page/30

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    I likey lobo.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Me too. And he's from THE U.

  • In reply to sjvl:

    more on franklin:

    http://www.sidelinescouting.com/rankings/ot/orlando-franklin.shtml

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    too bad he's small... yeeesh!

  • In reply to sjvl:

    The combine starts in two weeks. We all will have a chance to see the linemen and put our own take on each one of them. Since we are all budding GM's here and know more than most GMs. Jeff should do another contest where we grade the top 5 in our book and see how close we come. Then have one and see who can pick the bears first round choice. Getting the Bears first round choice correct ought to be worth a T shirt or something.

  • In reply to iamndmurff:

    murph...A free "T" nice!

  • In reply to iamndmurff:

    1. Don

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Oh yeah we think we know the talent MB...LOL The best part is THEY dont always know the talent. It all is a huge crapshoot and you try to minimize your losses. I remember when the Pats drafted Mankins, he was considered to be a stretch pick by most and look what they ended up with. Our guy Williams, a sure bet, fixture at left tackle for the team that picks him. Hows that workin for us so far? Jerry did play the game MB, and had some coaching experience years ago. Actually he was a defensive tackle for Bo Schembechler at Miami of Ohio and a d line asst coach at Colorado State and Syracuse.

  • In reply to iamndmurff:

    Nice background Murph... guess I could have just wikied it.

    So why's the oline his thing then?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Apparently thats why he does better with free agents like Tait, Ruben Brown, Garza. Never trust wiki MB, I have had to eat crow too many times quoting that shit.

  • In reply to iamndmurff:

    you mean everything on the interwebs ISN'T true murph?

    Holy shit I think my life just imploded upon itself.

  • In reply to iamndmurff:

    Just draft solid, hard working players with some brains and no attitude issues or lingering injuries. When reading the mock drafts, so much talk is about potential and not production. Many of these guys also have poor work ethics. Forget that shit. Draft good character guys who work hard, have intelligence, and love to play the game.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    exactly corm

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    more to chew on:

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-spt-0210-around-town--20110209,0,4136759.column

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    Knox isnt a Number 1! dammit, can I say I fuckin hate the organization. Yup I do. Knox is to dam undersized. We got two fucking small midgets who are fast but weak and undersize playing our 1 and 2 at WR. Not good Lobo, Im pissed about this now. Knox is a Slot, Bennet our 2, and Our 1????

  • In reply to Grizzly559:

    Knox should be a 2 at this point, Hester and Bennett are both completely different types of 3s. We do need a #1. I am not convinced we need the type of number one that some guys on here advocate for ("Me, me, me, throw it up there!", 6'5" 240 lb TE clones), but we need someone with Earl the Pearl's mental makeup and better physical stats.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    If we go to the trouble of bringing in a bona fide #1, it makes more sense if he's a guy who can also stretch the field. Cutler is clearly better suited to having one of those big BM types around. That was basically the difference between us and the Packers this year, a good receiver.

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    Does Olsen have any trade value left? If so, how much? 2nd...3rd?

  • In reply to Joseph:

    Olsen could be worth a low first or high second to the right team, but we shouldn't trade him. He's got great chemistry with Jay, he's got good hands, and he has found a role in the Martz offense.

    If we had a pair of 6'4" recievers playing 1 and 2, then maybe I'd be inclined to talk trade. But even if we bring in a couple of solid WR prospects, I think Olsen should definitely be playing for our team next year.

    Fantuz, in my opinion, is a solid prospect. Now let's go find another one.

  • In reply to mottystone:

    Trading Girly-Thor at this point would be absolutely bone-headed. Dez is gone for sure...leaving us with TE Hacksaw Davis, FB/TE/WR Olsen, and Planetary object and part-time Right Right Tackle Manu.
    I just can't imagine the circumstance this year under which trading Olsen is remotely a possibility. Last summer was the closest he has been, and probably will be, to being traded.

  • In reply to Joseph:

    He'd only be worth letting go for a first. Anything else is pointless. And he's not a smurf ...

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    Let me paraphrase this article for those who don't have the time to read it. "Our receivers suck and Cutty can't turn water into wine".

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Amen Brother. We have been hoo-rahed by Angelo long enough - to the gallows!

  • In reply to iamndmurff:

    Good first link Lobo...

    Hey Trac, did you read this part: "1. Offensive tackle: The Bears struggle offensively vs. Dom Capers and the Green Bay defense. Part of that revolves around scheme, but it all leads back to protection issues. Until Chicago gets a dominant player at the tackle position, they will not be able to handle Clay Matthews or the zone and man pressure from Capers."

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    +1

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I think we have unanimity on that one MB. My guess is Jerry will try to address the tackle position through free agency or not until maybe wait for the best value at Tackle in the 3rd or 4th rounds. My money is on a Guard with the first pick, DL, LB, or DB in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.

  • In reply to sjvl:

    another Tyron Smith:

    http://www.mockingthedraft.com/2010/11/29/1844658/tyron-smith-nfl-draft-scouting-report

  • In reply to sjvl:

    Wonder if he can play center...

  • In reply to mottystone:

    maybe an H-back hybrid?

  • In reply to mottystone:

    Tangent time...

    Hey FQ

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    MB..JEBUS CRISTO!!!! I'm not sure if my cholesterol count just shot threw the roof or my arteries just got clog...PML!!

    btw..was that a commercial for Patron? "F" ME!!!

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    I don't know Lobo, but that mesh-bacon taco is insane.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    "next time, we eat Snooki's pussy."

    ROOOOOFLMAO!!!! THAT SHIT HAD ME CRYING!!!!

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    Yeah man... that is some serious insanity. The main guy is a funny dude.

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    bwahahahahaha

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    Didn't the Reverend rant on this back in the first half of the season? http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/The-Super-Bowl-flyover-may-have-cost-450-000-W?urn=nfl-319475

  • In reply to Church:

    Yeah wiggi, our state and federal governments don't mind spending other peoples money do they?

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    no they dont.

  • In reply to Grizzly559:

    It's either that or they fly those hours over the ocean. I won't argue with the weirdness of flying over a stadium with a closed roof, but the USAF sees it as cheap advertising, flight hours, crew readiness, etc.

  • In reply to Church:

    GREATEST. SEASON. EVER.

    Beating the bears in their own house & hoisting the trophy named after their coach was the ULTIMATE. All the while shutting up the ignorant loud mouthed bear fans. PURE GREEN & GOLD!

    The Super Bowl was just the icing on the cake.

    Sincerely,

    January 23rd 2011

    And special thanks from,

    February 6th 2011

  • In reply to January23rd2011:

    I think its green and yellow, the kind of colors my shits look like after I eat some dirty ass cheese that comes from wisconsin.

  • In reply to Grizzly559:

    Why would you eat "dirty ass cheese" ?

  • In reply to January23rd2011:

    "shutting up ignorant loud mouthed bear fans"....on their own blog talking about their own team amongst themselves.

    Troll - what if i was to tell you that i was able to determine the IP address of the computer that you use to post? what kind of things could be done with a compromised IP address to get a troll to stop bothering a bunch of guys that like talking about the Bears on a Bears blog amongst other Bears fans as a source of entertainment, relaxation and comradery? If I had that ability I would probably give you one last chance to leave the forum and enjoy your well deserved victory with your fellow fans. what do you think?

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    i don't have that ability...do i?

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    I'll play along... When you compromise my IP/computer I will give Jeff Hughes's name to the authorities & in return he will give your real name to them & then the real games will begin. You probably shouldn't have posted that because now you have documented your intentions which was BEYOND stupid. You put Jeff Hughes on blast and you didn't even know you were doing it. Can't wait to find out who you really are.

    A person who is right in the head doesn't say the things you did over a game.

    You've now documented your intentions for the authorities to see.

    You want to get all crazy over a meaningless game & words, then so be it. BRING IT ANONYMOUS TOUGH GUY!

  • In reply to January23rd2011:

    stupid when a jerkoff doesnt even know his teams real color. Clearly a bandwagoner.

  • In reply to Grizzly559:

    The fact that you are serious makes it that much more comical.

    It is better to keep your mouth shut and be thought an idiot, than to open your mouth and confirm it.

    And its pretty funny that a bear fan from California is calling me a bandwagoner. Let me guess, you've been a fan since 2006?

  • In reply to Church:

    The article makes a good point though. They use this as training as well as advertising. The pilots need to fly for the experience and this is a good excuse. The armed forces need to advertise, and this is a good venue. Its not a waste of money if they would have just flown somewhere else - and its not a waste of money if they would have just spent it on a commercial.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I'll take your word for it.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    man that aint NUFFIN! just another day in my life.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2011/02/10/nfl-labor-talks-canceled-as-lockout-looms-larger-than-ever/?ncid=txtlnkusspor00000002

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2011/02/10/nfl-labor-talks-canceled-as-lockout-looms-larger-than-ever/?ncid=txtlnkusspor00000002

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I knew it!!!! Not wanting to go all Debbie Downer on everybody, but everything I was reading was really bad. Da Bears need to sign any of the FAs they want to keep before March 4th.

  • In reply to sjvl:

    If that really is the issue, I have no sympathy for the owners. The players are being entirely reasonable if they give the owners both options, either:
    (1) Split total revenue down the middle and keep your own costs and profit margins close the chest, or
    (2) Ask for a break on costs, but provide some evidence that costs really are what you say they are.

    Until the owners are willing to open the books, Goodell and the rest saying that players need to "recognize the truth" about operating costs is bogus. The owners are the ones keeping the truth hidden.

    Players, incidentally, take their half before operating costs (agents, lawyers, etc.) so its fair for the owners to do the same.

    I have felt like this was the players fault for quite a while, but if this news is true it totally changes my perspective.

  • In reply to mottystone:

    NFL owners shit money. If they can't live off two hundred million a year from TV revenue or whatever they each make ....

  • In reply to sjvl:

    Shabba please.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Sad! Its hard to take a side on this matter. Im leaning more to the players side. NFL wants to drop their salary and then try to extend the season another two games. Also, players clearly told the Owners that if they open their books to verify that they are in fact losing money, then they will agree to the deal. Owners refuse to open their books, therefore showing maybe they are truly GREEDY! Players on the other hand are way to overpaid anyways. I dont know fuck it. Greed is the root off all evil.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    MB, Man that sucks.

  • In reply to iamndmurff:

    so badly, I had to post it twice I guess.

    We'll see Murph... I can't believe they'd be that stupid. Well... nevermind.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    They're not being stupid, they're playing chicken. The owners have the money to sit and the discipline to sit... they're banking on the players not having any of that. They might be thinking they can pick up scabs from the UFL, or otherwise keep revenue up.

    The players have the reasonable position. But that could change once they actually see how much money there is to go around. Then the owners might be the ones who are being reasonable.

  • In reply to mottystone:

    The "Stupid" was in reference to exactly your statement of: "They might be thinking they can pick up scabs from the UFL, or otherwise keep revenue up."

    Yeah, good luck with that... ask hockey how that worked out for them... how many years later? And there isn't a national football team in the Olympics to win back fans. There is no WAY that letting this go to a stoppage would be more profitable than working something out IN THE LONG TERM. And it would hurt the game all around and in every facet.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I agree, but the players are staring at the same pie. The owners are thinking they can outlast the players. 40% of a larger pie might be less appetizing than 50% or more of a smaller pie that gets back to full size after a season or two.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Marshall Faulk:

    "In this offense if you run a slant and a defender is coming down on you then you have to cross his face," he said Tuesday on "Chicago Tribune Live."

    "But every time I see Johnny Knox run a slant he goes behind the defender and you see an interception go the other way and everyone looks at Jay Cutler and says, 'How did he throw that pass?' That is going to be a mistake no matter who the quarterback is."

    On the quality of the Bears wide receivers: "I see no pure wideout. When we ran Martz' offense in St. Louis we had three or four pure wideouts.

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    Sorry, but the LAST thing JC needs to be like is Roethlisberger.

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    Cutler is where Rodgers was at last year...with a terrible O-line, but with one more playoff win. Just sayin.

  • In reply to RodgerRodger:

    good point.

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    Well said. Rodgers got better since last year, and so did the team around him. I can see the same happening for Jay.

  • In reply to mottystone:

    I think the belt move is gay but damn i do love the way Rodgers plays QB. Luckily we have a tendency to play him extremely hard so the next couple of years should be pretty awesome football to say the least.

    Kreutz is staying by the way. He knows too much about line calls and is too much of a leader to be let go at this point in time while we need to retool the oline. 2 year contract and we will have to overpay a bit but i think adding other pieces around him in the meantime and getting them aclimated will be helpful.

    Game changing receiver is a must and another pass rusher wouldn't hurt but i think they will go for a D-lineman. Wootten did pretty well in his rookie year and Izzy was serviceable so i don't think you will see any superstars coming in opposite of Pep.

    Taylor stays and is a good and cheap option if we use him on the goal line and actually use him for screens and check down routes. LIKE WE WERE SUPPOSED TO THIS YEAR.

    This may be unpopular with some but Knox plays like a pussy. He doesn't stick his nose in to either to make physical plays nor does he aggressively respond to corners jumping his routes which results in INT's. He is a vertical threat (when he can get past the corner jamming him) but can't go up and get the ball. That is why people like Anquan Boldin. That type of player takes it to the defense.

    We have a decent D line but need a playmaker that we thought Harris was going to be.

    Major Harris is a tough kid but seems to be lacking in the pass defense department which kind of scares me because he a free safety.

    We need a new corner or Bowman has to step the fuck up because i don't know if Jennings is the answer even though for parts of the season he was a nice change of pace.

    Olsen whether we like it or not is a weapon that needs to be used. He made some big plays for us this year and improved his blocking. I want him catching fucking passes though in creative routes.

    Hester didn't seem to bring it in the last Packers game but that punter had another great game. Fucking Mathsay. I want him on kicks and punts consistently next year and less on offense. I do want him running patterns though that utilize his skill set. stretch the field and not just running go routes, he needs to be crossing deep through the zone making dudes chase him. why can't anyone else realize this? The most effective route in the league is the fucking drag across the field under coverage/between the layers of coverage or the slant, NOT THE QUICK SLANT. Knox will get that shit picked 5 out of 10 times by playing it like a girl.

    I will think of more later.

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    Preaching to the converted here brother. We need a new offense. I'd keep Forte, Tofu, Unga, Cutty, Bennett, Shabba, Asiata, Louis, Shaffer, Olsen, KD and fucking airlock the rest of them. Start as you mean to go on. We could pick the practice squads dry. Sign your #1 WR in FA, draft O-line 1-2-3. Sign a G/T. The offense just didn't click when we needed it to kick in, the talent wasn't there, it wasn't seven step drops and timing patterns - our receivers just aren't up to the standard we see around the league, and the guys blocking in the running game and keeping the QB upright in the passing game just aren't very good either.

    Rather than admit that it's all FUBAR ... they'll go all in again and make two or three big offensive signings this year. Bu they should cleave the meat from the bone, toss the bones aside and bring in fresh meat, rather than try to create a lamb dish with last week's mutton.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Dude, we went to the NFC Championship this year. All of our starters will be back with the possible exception of Kruetz. I understand our success had a lot to do with the D and Specials, but 2011 is not a rebuilding year.

  • In reply to mottystone:

    exactly New Bear, it is a fortification of the roster with a focused improvement in select areas year not a rebuilding year.

    ONCE AGAIN :
    NFC Championship in Cutlers 2nd year and 1st year in Martz offense with shit oline and average receiving corps.

    Just because we didn't beat the Patriots 11 times enroute to our 11-5 reg season record doesn't mean we can't compete hard. We beat other teams in the league that were on the schedule and we will do it again next year.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    This was the worst season of all time. Fuck.

  • In reply to brocklanders:

    was that dry humor or do we need more details?

  • In reply to brocklanders:

    If this site turns into a bunch of talk about the CBA, I'll be gone til it's over. I could care less about the "fairness" issue. If there is a year without football, I don't see my passion ever being the same again. I used to be a huge baseball fan until the early 90's. Then all the articles were about contracts, trades, etc. Not about the sport. I've never been a real fan since.
    The NFL is run by a bunch of crony capitalists (dislike). Many, if not most of the players, sacrifice a lot in college to get the very well paid contracts they receive. Unfortunately, most of these guys don't take advantage of the free degree they can receive. Many major in subjects that don't pay shit after they leave football, if they get a degree at all. Then you give a bunch of young men hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars at a young age. Most of these guys aren't the brightest bulbs in the room. Most of them are exploited by agents and piss away the money and end up broke a few years after leaving the NFL in their late 20's or early 30's. Instead of investing in assets (stocks, bonds, rental properties), they piss their money away on liabilities (fancy cars, houses, jewelry, clothes, etc).
    I could care less about most of the negotiations, but the players should demand health coverage for life for injuries suffered while playing in the NFL or training camp. If it reduces salaries to cover these expenses, so be it.
    Regarding ownership, it's ridiculous that taxpayers should support stadiums in all sports and not get part ownership, when most of these assholes are billionaires. As much as I hate the Packers as a team, they are publicly owned. People who have bought stock in their team have NEVER been paid any dividends. All the money goes back into the stadium and facilities. I have a lot of respect for that. I have no respect for most NFL owners.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    At least there was scab football last time, like a car accident, but there you had it.

  • In reply to brocklanders:

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/07/report-bears-to-release-chester-taylor/

    guess Unga-Bunga is getting his shot

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    FQ....saw that also, still digesting it.

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    that sucks... like buying a good (expensive) wine for your kids and pouring it down the drain when they don't know how to enjoy it.

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    Another dollar wasted but hey whos counting!

  • In reply to Grizzly559:

    I never really though Chester was anything but put up pedestrian numbers Fres. At least the front office saw what I saw and cut the string. You win some and you lose some every year.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Besides, he was nothing but a PR move last year.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Funny stuff. A waste of good tequila but that's OK. I'm pretty sure Trac could handle the vid. The only thing better than the bacon mesh taco is bacon wrapped bacon. MMMMMMMMMMM!!

    I'll take a pass on next week's meal. Snooki is about a quadruple wrapper.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Rodgers AKA the Next Tommie Harris. He had one good year, and the next two he was battling injuries.

  • In reply to Grizzly559:

    Isn't he a great big fat person? Lovie don't dig fat.

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    Leave a comment...

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Thanks, I think I will...

    That was funny FQ, nicely done. And I've seen the emmitt commercials... maybe I should try it?! (Although I don't actually have any grays just yet, I'm sure I will soon enough )

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Oh.
    Shut.
    Up.

  • In reply to sjvl:

    Uhhhh... whad I do???

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Just joking, MB. I have plenty of grey hair - think I got a bunch more during the SB...

  • In reply to sjvl:

    I feel no compulsion to worry about my gray hair. But that's because I'm a sexy guy.

  • In reply to Crowned:

    hhhheeeeeeeeeeehhhhhhhhhhe..blind squirrel

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I'll buy all that MB. We need a new line, period. That's a long road but it starts with a center and we need to draft the new one as high as we can - he needs to be be very good. Round one next year, the heir to Brian Urlacher. I don't think we should be drafting best player available, we need replacements for Kreutz and Urlacher because their replacements don't appear to be on the roster. This year, next year, two first rounders.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    It is not only a little intimidating to make up the talent (more so in Lach's case than Olin's), but losing those two guys will leave a leadership void that someone will need to step in to. It will be interesting to see who they are.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    MB..said everything I was think..you must be a genius...PML!

  • In reply to Crowned:

    Yea I dont see why we gave up Beekman, he was solid.

  • In reply to Grizzly559:

    Tice thought he was too small. So we ended up, after many gyrations, with a tall guy that has no punch, no leverage, and cost us a first round pick.
    I think that one falls on Tice, not Angelo.

  • In reply to Grizzly559:

    Here's a place that has all kinds of mock drafts to choose from.
    http://www.walterfootball.com/draftdata.php

  • In reply to Grizzly559:

    no one else in the league felt that way

  • In reply to Crowned:

    We do not need to pick the Best player that falls on our pick. We need to draft solely what we need.OL OL OL CB LB PERIOD!

  • In reply to Grizzly559:

    Chances are that we'll fill one of those positions in round 1 but, I still wouldn't be surprised if they went another direction if the top-tier O-lineman were gone. Hindsight is 20/20 but where would we be if we picked Polomalu instead of Benson? Did the Packers need Rogers the year they picked him?

  • In reply to jdawg:

    Maybe not, but they didn't NEED Pouncy either most likely... we damn well do.

    There's a huge difference between drafting for depth and drafting to desperately fill an egregious hole in the core of your football team JD. We (JA) have backed ourselves into this corner, and if we don

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    If there's a run on O-lineman leading up to our pick you do not reach to fill that need. Luckily, from what I've read, this is a pretty deep draft for O-lineman, you just may not see one pick by the Bears in round one.

  • In reply to sjvl:

    Kreutz - He is a leader and we need leaders to help the guys practice if there is a 1-2 month lag during CBA talks. He is also still a serviceable center and that means we have valuable time to focus elsewhere first. But I agree with MBP that the best plan with our location in the draft is to draft his heir apparent with the Round 1.
    Garza - Worst case scenario, he's a veteran backup. Post Kreutz that's important. But I see him get beat enough to know he's not part of the long term solution (he was supposed to be the future center for a while).
    Williams - I really hope he comes around. But if not, we need the cap space... cut him if someone better comes along. He has not earned a ton of loyalty - not that he's a bad guy either.
    Omiyale - Whatever. He fills a spot until we bring in the line of the future.
    Webb - He will play tackle for us for years to come I hope. Only question is if he has the feet to move over to the left.

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