Audibles From the Long Snapper

So You Don't Like Jerry Angelo?

Say what you will about his inability to locate good offensive linemen in the NFL draft, it's impossible not to appreciate Angelo's lengthy comments about the CBA discord that is dominating the league's news cycles.
"This game is special. It brings people together. It galvanizes cities. And during the tough times in this economy ... I'm not saying sports is the elixir, but it kind of helps people just have some fun in tough times."

"This game has been everything to me, personally," Angelo said. "I love this game. I've done everything I've could to respect the game, to make it better, like you want to do with anything you're a part of in your life.

"That's the part that's bothersome. It's not about people losing jobs. It's not about anything other than we're in an entertainment world. It's a business. I know it's a big pie. How that pie is distributed, people will determine that. But I'm more concerned with our game and that it doesn't get tainted."

Angelo comes across mild-mannered, balanced and likable.  He comes across like a man that's easy to root for.

Duerson's Suicide a Lesson for NFLPA
I hate to take something as personal as a man's suicide and discuss it in pseudo-political terms but Duerson's request to have his brain studied should be taken by the NFLPA as a warning sign.  The health of players - not the rookie wage scale or guaranteed contracts - should be their focus as they debate a new CBA.  Duerson suffered from chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE) - an illness that is a direct result from the consistent, violent contact sustained as an NFL safety.  Can the NFL prevent this in the future?  Maybe not.  But they sure as hell should have the best doctors in the country working on it.  And the players shouldn't show up for an OTA, training camp practice or ballgame until they do.


Jerry Angelo Says Chester Taylor Might Stay in Chicago

If you think that headline is generic, you should read the story.  This is an article that actually states Jerry Angelo's belief that Chester Taylor may or may not be on the roster in 2011.
The Bob Sanders Watch Has Begun
I don't think it'll be a team-altering signing, bringing in the most injured player in the NFL to play safety.  But I think Lovie Smith will insist on kicking the tires of Bob Sanders and if he can stay on the field, the Bears will be the best team in football against the run in 2011.  Matt Bowen breaks down four other possible landing spots for him at National Football Post.

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  • if we get a safety Otogwe is my FIRST choice

  • Atogwe*

  • In reply to luftwaffle:

    do we know if Atogwe ended the season on IR or that they just don't want to pay him 8 million. Like a woman thinking they can change the bad boy into a family man I too would love to see Sanders in the Burnt and Navy and my fantasy is that he pulls a Mike Brown and plays every single game in the year following his release from his team.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    the thought of a healthy Sanders, Pep, Urlacher, Briggs, Pisa, C.Harris, Peanut, Toe, Izzy, AA and maybe another free agent is scary. Not to mention Favre Killer in his second year with more weights and rehab on his knee, Melton with more experience and weight room work, etc.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    I'll take it.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    They won't know if DD suffered from CET until they are done studying his brain, over the next 6 to 9 months I believe. Irregardless of what he suffered it's a shame he thought so little of his friends and family that he did this. Personally I think they should let Taylor go and look for another back to complement Forte. Chester brought very little to the table this year and IMO the money can be better spent elsewhere. As for Angelo, I dont dislike him as much as some others on here. The run with this coach and GM is the second best since the late 60's. Somebody is doing something right. I dont think there are answers for the damage from injury unless we change the game to flag football, or you just allowed to tackle the player and not hit him on the run?

  • In reply to iamndmurff:

    Common murph... that's just plain turning a blind eye to the shape of our oline over the last 3 years.

    The fact that oline is supposedly JA's core and only focus in the draft and overall (which I was SHOCKED to find out a few weeks back) is an enormous indictment of his talent/skill level, and should be THE core item of how he and his term is graded out.

    In my mind

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    sorry for the whiteT grammar... I do that when I get pissed.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Shit MB, I was born and raised in Chicago. You never have to apologize to me for any grammar issues. We all ask for a grammar when we want some of them crackers. K here is comes, a #16.......LOL

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I knew than would rankle you up MB, I was already ducking. I'm just not convinced he is as bad as you have him. Who would you like as GM? Some one that is available.

  • In reply to iamndmurff:

    That's the rub Murph, and I get your argument... the truth is that I don't know who's available, I just know what what we have isn't right.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    +1

  • In reply to iamndmurff:

    It's great that JA is a good guy and respects the game. I give him credit for signing Pep and trading for Cutler. I've always given him credit for some good picks in rds 4-7. However, job 1 is hit it big in round one and don't miss in rounds 2 and 3. His record is beyond bad in the first 3 rounds. I give credit to Lovie and his staff this year. Probably the worst OL in the league.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Give credit to Tice on the OLINE. COORDINATORS! not Lovie!

  • In reply to Grizzly559:

    Fres, SOMEONE got three former head coaches to work together under a current HC. And seemingly will have them all back again.

    Credit - Lovie.

  • In reply to Mastodon:

    ...and this year will only be better.

  • In reply to Mastodon:

    Ok ok, I give him credit for hiring guys to do the job he cant do. I mean Seriously what thee hell does Lovie do?

  • In reply to Grizzly559:

    Information packed press conferences.

    bwahahahahahaha

  • In reply to Grizzly559:

    Keeps the egos in check, it seems. But I really am just guessing - only the guys on the team can tell you what he does.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Speaking of Coordinators...

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/613347-bears-looking-for-a-reason-to-fire-oc-mike-martz-heres-a-few-to-start-with?source=rss_teams_Chicago_Bears

    I heartily oppose their point of view.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    yea Bob would be cool, but would rather have Atogwe (and also Sidney Rice). are there no FA OL to speak of? didn't John St. Clair get released from the Browns? JA should seriously look into that.

    on another note, my b-day's coming up on the 6th. will be 25 years old (or half a century to some of you old farts on here :-) ). hope everybody's well out there...if you're struggling without football, i suggest either b-ball of UFC.

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    Nice. Damn youngen. Enjoy every fucking minute while you can myboy! Seriously, enjoy all the strange and the complete lack of real responsibility... because youth is wasted on the ignorant.

    Happy early Bday.

    Oh, and stop hatin' FQ! Blend your own bacon!

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    FQ, happy future bday. pound your liver and strange like anderson silva. do it for me and MB. We are caged lions. Your 25th year will be your best. I want you to look back a year from now and say "Damn, i fucking bought that year a steak dinner!" or "Man, I Cory Woottoned the shit out that year"

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    Very nicely put Johnny.

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    It looks very likely that we will have a new deal prior to March 3. Which is good news, because Mr. Sidney Rice will be a free agent and the Vikes have no arrows left in the quiver to prevent that.

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/21/vikings-cant-use-transition-tag-on-sidney-rice/

    For about 5 different reasons, this is the guy to go after in free agency this year.

    1) There are no great o-line prospects in FA this year, so you will not be tieing up big money on a different position. There are some DB possibilities, but those are getting franchised fast.
    2) There are a lot of great WRs in FA this year. And Mr. Rice could be the best of the bunch. The guy would be great for us no matter what system we run. (But I think he's a great fit too).
    3) Because the WR crop is large, teams may bid lower or pass on Rice in favor of picking someone up elsewhere. The draft isn't bad for that this year either.
    4) The guy plays for the Vikings. Gotta love division opponents coming over to your side. We play them twice next year and they still have a core of great talent.
    5) All signs point to a solid O-line draft. That means WR is the only piece left to put our offense in a position to help the team make another Superbowl run.

  • In reply to mottystone:

    Taking anyone off the Packers or Vikings is always a hoot. We should be plundering the Pack's practice squad ...

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    I'm curious to see what the Packers roster looks like this year. They had a whole bunch of injuries to returning starters, which means a whole bunch of guys came off the bench and obviously played pretty well. I have to figure that once everybody is healthy, they'll have cap trouble or otherwise struggle to keep all the free agent players on the Superbowl team plus the returning guys.

    The critics are correct though, they've done a great job building a solid roster top to bottom.

  • In reply to mottystone:

    The "critics" cover the bears. Reporters are rarely critical of GB.

  • In reply to mottystone:

    Two comments; one on subject/one not so much:

    JA did a good job picking Anthony Adams.

    I am picking up my new puppy today!! Tibetan Mastiff/Bernese Mountain Dog mix. His name: Peanut.

  • In reply to sjvl:

    Two comments:

    1. Did you see GPs shirt design? GP, can you please relink it for SJ?

    2. Nice. Not a fluffy/hairy dog fan, but that one sounds interesting.

  • In reply to sjvl:

    sjvl...Anthony Adams!?..thats it!

    look at the piss poor job he did with the other parts of the roster..his record or #1's are all classic Cluster FU$#!@$K'S!

    he's o.k.(just o.k.) in the later rounds, but in the first couple of rounds sheite! Johnny's drunken avatar squirrels could of done a better job.

    and will Peanut(puppy) be snatching the passes in the air like DA PEANUT!

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    Lobo!!!

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    If he takes after his parents, Peanut should end up at about a buck-fifty, and about waist-high. Yes, I think he will be snatching passes and stripping balls just like DA PEANUT!!!!

  • In reply to sjvl:

    stripping balls?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5y3NO8YSow

  • In reply to sjvl:

    Love the name. Not really familiar with the breed. My little dog is 10 lbs of love and attitude. Just can't beat them for unconditional love.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Canada, he's about 10 pounds at 6 weeks. I think I just should have named him "Bear".

  • In reply to sjvl:

    VERY COOL!!!!! You'll be puppy whipped in no time.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    It's all over, Canada.

  • In reply to sjvl:

    I agree... I like that more than Peanut, even though I get the significance (but wtf do I know).

  • In reply to sjvl:

    Shocker right?

    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/02/22/breaking-cnn-projects-emanuel-wins-in-chicago/?hpt=T2

  • In reply to sjvl:

    Johnny? I'm waiting man... make that shit happen. It's fucking ridiculous.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    my legal team is doing research.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    Tell them to do it faster.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AstWm1Yt46Z_wYk17yPfqYlDubYF?slug=ap-redskins-atogwe

    Atogwe visiting the Redskins. Maybe a covert visit to the Bears? Nothing is impossible. We should be focusing on other issues i know but Atogwe is that ballhawking safety that we've been pining for since my man MB was back there patroling the airways. Playboy wants to get paid though and that is the place to go to get Haynesworth style paid. Don't be surprised if the Bears pull some shit this offseason. Remember, the Cutler/Peppers syndrome that i talked about. Bears will never turn back to the shit 1990's.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    As Angela said, they got Peppers with the money they saved by not paying two first round picks with monster contracts (the Cutler picks). That was a one-off.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    agreed that we won't see a Peppers-esque signing but we will see moves that improve the team.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    At least we're not the Broncos. Who, btw, re-signed Champ today for 4-years at $40M. That's 1M for every year old he is.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    and they gave away Cutler and look to be shunning Orton, a solid QB, in favor of Tebow. That move doesn't make sense. Orton is a professional caliber QB. I am glad we have Cutler but if I was a Denver fan i'd be pissed at the Orton Tebow situation.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Yeah, my only one comment was going to be what happens when Rodgers goes down for good with his 3rd 4th or 5th concussion and he decides he has enough money in the bank and he'd rather be a 'what could have been' than a,

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    detriment = cost... you get it.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Their front office is a mystery wrapped inside an enigma inside a patty melt inside a Coors Light can.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    i suddenly feel the need to tailgate

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Retard.

  • In reply to sjvl:

    I don't think he's retarded, he's just senile; he's 122 years old.

  • In reply to brocklanders:

    no wrig., he's quite obviously retarded.

    Here's a pic of him and his chick (Mr. Green bay 2010... Score!): http://www.ebaumsworld.com/pictures/view/81183054/

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    MB...the scary part is that in the distance I hear dueling banjos and a squealing pig.

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    I'd say that's pretty par for the course Lobo.

  • In reply to sjvl:

    Do. not. feed.

  • In reply to sjvl:

    As far as Bob Sanders is concerned...why would we want someone else's Mike Brown? We had our own Mike Brown and let him go.
    Can we please get 1 or 2 real O lineman in FA. There are a few that may be available.
    Then let Angelo trade down and draft 2nd and 3rd round defensive players. That seems to be his bread and butter. He really knows how to get value in 2nd and 3rd round defensive talent.

  • In reply to sjvl:

    AA love? Really?

    Adams is serviceable run gap filler, and little more. It said a lot that as the season wore on, and we faced more pass-centric attacks, Tommie quietly won his starting job back and they would line up Melton with Harris on passing downs.

    Why? Because AA has no rush. Suh he is not.

    Nevertheless, Hub's suggestion to go with a DT in teh 1st round is fucktalk (tm) and we need OL in both rounds 1 and 2.

    Adams can probably make the roster, but I would like to see him move down the chart. He's the poor man's Tank Johnson, and that's just sad.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    i have to admit, reading your newly trademarked word made me laugh like a child right in the middle of the office. I also imagined Irish's brogue on it to make it sound Celtic and regal.

  • In reply to sjvl:

    Minus a few, I think we have DBB consensus o even with Jeff on this:

    Draft Rounds 1 AND 2 require OL, with that monster from the Gators in 1 and maybe Moffit in 2. Replace Gartz and bump Williams to a swing player, backing up LG at LT. Maybe OL in 3, looking for a tackle.

    Acquire the WR via FA, and send Shabba packing.

    Look for a bruiser RB in the 4th and 5th, and let's see if we can salvage some Samoan sandwich bread, cause we need us a true FB. Maybe trade Kellen Davis for one, since fat ass is here for another year.

    Minus a lockout, it's all Tice all the time this summer on the radio, building us a new line that can open some holes and protect Cutler, and Cutler getting used to throwing some jumpers for Sid Rice or Edwards. Martz can go buy a pair of balls for Johnny Knox, and attach them then teach that kid to push the CB off cutting in front of his slant in.

    Hester goes to the bench in favor of Rice, Bennett and Scrappy play the slot. End of story.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    fucking Scrappy acutally impressed me this year. I am not a big fan but the guy brings it on special teams and does make some plays when he is targeted. plus, he is scrappy. A poor man's Randle El.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    +1

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Agree with most GP, couple addies to your tome:

    * Steal khun, as much for the stealing as for the player
    * We need one bad-ass OL in FA... there are plenty to be had (see above)
    * I still think we have 4 bigger RBs on the roster, one HAS to work for SY/GL... or trade away 3-4 of our spares for a real FB.
    * I think we need to try and pick a diamond in the rough at DB in the 5-6 rnd. If jerry is decent at this, then let him prove he's decent at fucking something.

    * Nice shirt, like the squirrel more.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I agree that this draft is a bellweather draft for Angelo. We get duds and only his head on aplatter will suffice. I want to see some fucking Tulane grad that nobody knew about in the 6th round turn out to be a shut down corner.

    Jerry - give us some Northeast Louisiana State, grew up with Sweetness' work ethic type of wicked FS to put some chips in Pringles sock, ok?

  • In reply to gpldan:

    hey, who you guys voting for?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I haven't gotten my Chicago patronage box of Fannie Mae chocolate yet, so I am holding out.

    Of course, the dog has to eat the first piece. That's the Chicago way...

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Davis and Shabba are two rays of sunshine on that offense, so yeah, in all likelihood they'll be gone. Agree with the rest. CW is no guard and needs to compete back at tackle, but that line is just toast.

  • In reply to sjvl:

    Ok, ok, OK!!!!! I like Anthony Adams. I liked Tank Johnson too, probably much to your collective chagrin.

    My brain is all puppy today, so I will come back with something better tomorrow.

  • In reply to mottystone:

    Khun in a FA, as are AJ Hawk and the other old guy (can't remember his name and too lazy to look). Khun and Hawk and Rice would be brilliant fucking picks ups for us. If we go by your,

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Hawk is over-rated and may not have even been a starter this year if it wasn't for all the linebacker injuries. He did play pretty good down the stretch though.
    On a side note, had dinner and drinks in Grayslake last night and drove through your old stomping grounds.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Since everyone likes music here... I highly recommend the paid version of Pandora radio. The 80

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Part of me is praying for a 5 year lockout because honestly, the more I really look at it, that is the only thing that's gonna stop the packers from winning at least 3 or 4 division titles in the time frame. I guess unless Detroit can continue their promising progression.

    Can someone explain to me what is giving them hope that we'll be able to compete for the division in the near future? Everyone seems pretty optomistic about next year, while at the same time not having too much faith in the GM's ability to build the team. A couple people also seem to bank on the recent history that "we play them tough." That's true of course, but Rodgers is still 5-2 against us in his career. And as far as a 16 (or 18) game season goes, I think they just proved how well their system works when it comes to fielding depth.

    The defenses were comparable last year, but they look as though they are heading in different directions. Briggs, Tillman, Urlacher, and Peppers are all over 30. Urlacher had a good year but he's the one I'm most worried about slowing down. In contrast, Raji, Matthews, Shields, and Williams are all stepping into their prime. Then you throw in a couple of players who have shown a lot of promise like morgan burnett and Desmond Bishop. And then there are the veteran pro-bowl playmakers Collins and Woodson and damn.......that is a recipe for success.

    I think our defensive line has some promising players but the backfield just has too many questions.

    And then there is the other side of the ball. I know, I know, it starts and ends with the offensive line for us, doesn't it? But even if we were to put together a serviceable O-line, say of the top 10-15 in the league (which at this point would require a huge investment), could you see the Bears becoming one of the top offenses in the NFL? The sentiment I get around here is that there are just a couple of glaring needs that are holding this offense back from exploding....but I dunno about that. If I give you 2 studs and another 1 or 2 serviceable vets on the line, and I then I give you Sidney Rice, are you gonna be happy with the offense? Yeah, obviously. But that is a ton of money and/or a ton of picks. It's not like we're a couple moves away from a top 10 offense. We don't really have a special player on that side of the ball. Forte is probably the closest, and Cutler can be special at times, but those guys aren't elite.

    I used to think that Cutler's ceiling was higher than Rodgers'; I thought he probably had more raw talent. I don't believe that any more. Technically, he probably has more arm strength..but it's not by much. Rodgers has a very strong arm and is as accurate as it gets. His bad days are nothing compared to Jay's, and he has far fewer than Cutler does. And his good days are probably better too. Has Jay ever gone 31 of 36 on the road? I dunno but I doubt it. Yeah, AR's supporting cast is much better, certainly. But don't forget, he threw for over 4,000 yards last year with an O-line that was perhaps even worse than ours, and the drops from his recievers have had a significant effect on his numbers.

    Speaking of recievers, how many of Green Bay's WRs would line up for Chicago as the nubmer one?
    3? 4?
    Special teams looks to remain a significant edge for the Bears, thankfully. But it sure didn't help us the last two times we faced off. That punter they got is a serious weapon they have in their pocket for our return unit. He effectively neutralized our significant special teams advantage this January...in his rookie year.

    I don't know....I don't get some of the optomism. I don't see the Bears competing for the NFC north next year. I think we can still come in 2nd and hope for a wild card, but that will still be tough.

    The 2010 packers had to be the greatest 10-6 team in history. The fact that they were the only team since the merger to never trail by more than 7 points is pretty outrageous, considering that includes a game on the road with their backup QB against the best team in the league. They are getting players back from IR, their playmakers are all just starting to hit their prime, and their QB has been out of his mind over the first 3 seasons of his career. Their organization has begun to exude a confidence of top-down success that rivals New England's from the 2000s.

    Some of you i'm sure will just accuse me of being a closet packer fan. It's not true, I hate the packers. More than any other team in the NFL. But they are fucking legit. And if you can't see that they are a superior franchise right now, you're just choosing not to.

  • In reply to brocklanders:

    solid article Wrig you fucking closet packer fan.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    i hear ya mang and there is no doubt that they have talent and depth. Good thing the Bears get to go after free agents and attend the draft as well. The Pack had to start somewhere too. In the meantime as we re-tool and build ourselves we will continue to win 10+ per year with playoff chances every year. No doubt that we need to address issues.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    Solid Post Wrig. Your ability to look at this situation objectively is obvious. My only possible counter points are pretty thin.

    1. The Packers, while obviously very talented, seem to suffer from fragilitis, including the head of their very good quarterback.

    2. The Patriots are a nice case study to promote optimism for our cause. The years they had a scrappy team with veteran leadership they won 3 out of 4. The years they had lights out talent, they won nothing. I know, it's thin.

    3. The fact that the bears play the Packers tough should not go unmentioned. Think of all the years the Colts got beat by the Chargers in the playoffs when they had the seemingly better team. Or the times that the Chargers lost to the Pats, when people were calling their number. This league is all about matchups.

    4. This league is so tough and so competitive, that the difference between winning and losing is paper thin. We were a game away this year. If we fill a couple major holes in the draft and free agency without losing any key pieces we will be better. Another year in Martz's system will also make us better.

    I admit that this year, and for now, the Packers are a very very talented deep team and there is no doubt that the road to the top goes through them for now. But we can compete. So, I'm not optimistic that we will be champions or anything, just that we will have as good a chance as a handful of teams. One of them will be the Packers, no doubt, but we CAN beat them. So I'm optimistic, but definitely not expecting a superbowl like Packer fans may be. Again though, good analysis.

  • In reply to brocklanders:

    Our defense is a year or two away from oblivion and the Packers are really good? I'll go with that.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    ...if we make no moves whatsoever over the next couple of years. Irish, i think we will probably add players to the defense.

  • In reply to brocklanders:

    All you can hope for is the money ball rolling through Green Bay. i.e. Wilbur Marshall became a Redskin and Duerson a Giant, natch.

    Other teams will start picking off talent there.

    What stings is we lost twice to them. Knockout was in our grasp, and Martz whiffed. Then, they came to the Bears house and whipped them straight up.

    That is as bad as it gets. Why Chicago isn't more humiliated I don't know, I kinda hope Rosendouche lays it on thick all through pre-season. Halas Hall deserves it. They are all corporate speak, they got whopped but are still talking up a good season, like a company that loses market share badly to competition but still manages to turn a small profit.

    No - Bears - regular season record and Seahawks win not withstanding, you whiffed. You let the biggest rivals walk on your face. They wiped their boots on you.

    Like I said, all you can hope for is some Green Bay dissent and maybe some FA defections.

  • In reply to brocklanders:

    I agree with most of your post. However, if Rodgers goes down for any length of time they're fucked. You say we're old on D but don't mention Woodson being old for the Pack. When did Morgan Burnett show a lot of promise? Was it his 14 tackles for the year? No doubt they're better than we are but it's not like they are invincible. They did lose to Detroit last year when they really needed a win.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Every team is fucked when their QB goes down for any length of time...but the packers SEEM to have a capable backup. Yeah, he had 2 concussions last year, but it seems like we are gasping for straws when the only optimism we can derive for next season is the hope that he goes down. Jay Cutler also had a concussion. He also just injured his knee, and his offensive line is much more porous. Also.....if that peppers hit didn't give him a concussion, maybe there really is something to that new helmet.

    I called woodson a "playmaking vet." Yeah, of course he is old. He also has been playing lights out since he signed for Green Bay and is one of the best players in the league at 34. But I doubt he has more than 1 or 2 more years of elite play....but he and pickett are the only ones on that D with any age. Matthews is almost a lock for perennial pro bowler. Where are the budding stars on our D?

    And morgan burnett was a second round pick who played very well in his time before getting injured. He's no guarantee but he definitely showed promise. And even when he went down that peprah kid played solid in his stead.

    No one is invincible and no one is guaranteed a title. Ever. Way too many things can happen in a season. But I don't know, this Packers team looks as promising and dominant as any team coming of of a championship as I can remember. Maybe since the Rams at the turn of the century?

  • In reply to brocklanders:

    As GPL alluded to, free agency will take its toll. And as many things went wrong injury-wise, an awful lot of chips had to fall right for them to win out in the playoffs. Their front office is good but before we rank them up there with Foxboro, maybe they should make another playoff run.

  • In reply to brocklanders:

    I agree with ya. Your previous post made it sound like doom and gloom for us. While I think the Fudge Packers are better overall, every season is different. The only thing that really pisses me off is Rodgers dropped into their laps that year. Even that dope JA would have taken Rodgers in the same scenario. Oh well.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    not to take us, you know, back there...

    But this is what we're dealing with. Can you fucking believe this shit? This literally blew my mind that someone would do this (in that manner) to their own innocent people in this day and age: http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/africa/02/23/libya.protests/index.html?hpt=T1

    Try and tell me these fucking people (and by

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    One prominent defector said that Ghaddafi personally ordered the Lockerbie bombing.

    Reason enough, I think, to find him and Predator drone hellfire missile him. If he bunkers, it's probably french built, and our bunker busters in the F15 should handle that...

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Of course, if his own people want to hang him from a rope in the public square, I'd be happy to torrent the video of that if CNN won't run it...

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Beg to disagree on Sub-Saharan Africa. They just lack the oil money to buy assault copters and jets. They certainly have a high incidence of genocidal behavior by their governments...and in numbers that eclipse by many orders of magnitude what is going on in Libya.
    It doesn't make it any less immoral, of course, but we're talking thousands of casualties vs. hundreds of thousands (and in the case of Rwanda, nearly a million dead).

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    If you have a chance read Shake Hands with the Devil by Romeo Dallaire. He was the head of the UN peacekeepers during the Rwanda genocide. Truly disturbing.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I knew that one of the board's intelligencia would come back with that... I did set a bit of a trap MBP. Africa is not only my motherland, but a source of my intense interest... in many aspects. I also wasn't clear or detailed enough in my explanation, so let me further explain what I was trying to get across.

    I would clarify that while the violence in the Middle East is being perpetrated by similar yet different regimes in many countries traditionally ruled by despotic and oppressive groups, all of these groups pose a decidedly more serious threat to

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Oh, and I said give me another CULTURE... you can't lump african countries together as one culture... shit, you literally can't even do that with two tribes inhabiting 3 sq miles. Every tribe in africa is essentially its own culture... not something held together by the same ideals, teachings, customs, beliefs, etc...

    Anyway, I think you get my underlying points. African governments can order the extermination of a group (and most of the time it

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    OK -- a lot to chew on here. A few thoughts:

    1) Name the despots of these ME countries that are Muslim extremists
    2) Not that everything would have been peaches and cream, but I don't see any mention of the effect the British empire had on the current ME.
    3) What would the face of Iran be like today if we never supported the Shah?

    This is actually an interesting discussion, given the dearth of good FB stuff to talk about.

    BTW, I'm not trying to paint Muslim extremists and nice guys, they're not, they're basically barbarians but, for the most part, they seem to be on the outside looking in. Also, keep in mind the Sunni and Shia differences.

    peace (hopefully)

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Good article on CTE and Duerson

    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/14728873/draft-hopefuls-at-combine-need-to-know-duersons-story

    Note the end: When you talk to the rooks about the brain, their minds start to wander and they tune it out.

    The owners probably get a little wry smile on their face when that happens...

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    "Mike and Mike in the Morning".

    OK, so now these two brain surgeons are doing "Off Season 2-a-Days"
    and looking at each NFL team for 2011 in reverse order of this year's draft.

    I have no problem with that. The NFL off-season is, without question, WAY more interesting than Baseball Spring Training or the complete, uninteresting idiocy that I find is the NBA.

    What I DO take issue with is, these two guys are ending each team segment by predicting the team's RECORD for 2011.

    (I pause here for laughter and /or bronx cheers.)

    Talking about passing gas!

    There's no CBA.

    You can only GUESS about draft picks and / or trades.

    Free agent 1 hasn't been lost or signed.

    Based on all that LACK of infomation you're predicting records?

    I only heard about the segment via a promo because I really have all but stopped listening to these two "experts".

    Dan Patrick is up against them in morning drive in Tucson. The 4-letter affilliate here repeats M & M (They're "live' from 4-7a)and bumps Colin Cowpie to 10am.

    I used to find DP a nice alternative but lately, his constant Hollywood name-dropping and Adam Sandler "Can I be in your next bad movie?" butt-kissing in addition to all the on-air drooling over Brooklyn Decker are really getting tiresome.

    Patrick even stooped to interviewing CHARLIE SHEEN last week and giving that alcoholic-meth-head-serial-rehab-resident a platform at this point in time is just wrong in so many ways.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Al I know you know this but they are just looking to fill up their time slot. I agree with you about all this stuff (except for Brooklyn Decker, she's worth the attention). As far as Charlie Sheen, ya gotta admit the trainwreck factor.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    I'm sure "MIKE & MIKE" think they should rename the show

    "Nostradamus and Nostradamus"

    I think one of these is more apt:

    "Dumber and Dumber'

    Ludicous and Ludicrous"

    But, maybe I'm being harsh.

    "Ridiculous and Ridiculous".

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    So what's our record going to be next year al?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    The're going team by team in reverse draft order so they haven't gotten to the Bears, as far as I know anyway.

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    25 years is a half-century? What is that, Playstation time?

  • In reply to gpldan:

    That shit was funny.... made me giggle out loud. Go easy on him GP, he's young.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I didn't have the heart to jump on it GP. Being one of the "old farts" on here I kind of liked thinking I've lived a century plus already. Happy half century birthday FQ

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    FQ.. Ire resemble that remark.. lol

    old farts HUH?
    you son of a @!#$#!@$#!@$#!@$#!@...hhhhhheeeeeeeeeeehhhhhhhhee

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    also Happy B-day!

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    Have a great Birthday, FQ. I am totally part of the old fart group, but not quite as old and definitely not as farty as some.

    Damn, that new math is pretty interesting though.

  • In reply to sjvl:

    preciate the love everybody. def. will be a crazy night (beer pong, possible green, and my boys from back home will come up). gonna be one of those nights where someone's daughter will be in some trouble (consensual, of course).

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    con-sensual... hmmmm.

    I suggest you make as pro-sensual as possible!

  • In reply to sjvl:

    Gawd, no kidding on the farty part. Hope I never get there!

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    Hey FQ, happy early B-day wishes. Hope you have 25 years worth of memories that day.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Actually, I thought the most interesting part was JA talking about spending money in the FA market rather than on some first round rook. Not all are going to be Suh, and I can see the logic of trading those picks for proven material.

  • In reply to iamndmurff:

    Any random punter could do a better job than Angela.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    MB, can you give the guy some credit for Cutler and Peppers at least? I was definitely critical of the guy before he brought in the best qb we've ever had and the best 4-3 end in the NFL.

  • In reply to MASOCHR:

    Cutler, mmmmmmmm IDK yet. Peppers yea.

  • In reply to MASOCHR:

    Coach, you've heard this from me many times before.

    Yes, he knows how to talk the old bird out of a whole lot of cash for somewhat of a sure thing... and by sure thing, I mean these guys were mostly a known entity with at least 1 pro bowl under their belts.

    So, yes. He can see a FA that everyone wants. Talk Ginnie into giving him obscene amounts of cash to out bid the 10 other teams foaming at the mouth to get the guy, and then offer the highest amount offered to that kind of FA pick up in the history of the NFL.

    So if you consider that a shitload of strategic thinking and brilliant skill, then yes. He gets my kudos.

  • In reply to MASOCHR:

    *Used* to be the best 4-3 end. And give him credit for Cutler and Peppers? Cutler still owes us bigtime before we can say we didn't get hosed and keep a straight face. Peppers hasn't earned his guaranteed yet. Anyone see much of a pass rush this year from the DL by the way? I didn't see shit.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    were you watching soccer all season? We had a good pass rush most of the year. I believe they completely dominated Philly in a big ass night game, unless that was a wet dream I had, which is possible. It dissapeared at times, but overall it was good and that is why our d looked a lot better this year. You are dillusional....Do you really think that we make the Championship game without Cutler and Peppers? Obviously, we want a championship, but being 1 of the last 4 teams alive is pretty fucking good, fuck. I'm by no means blowing Angelo. He's fucked up countless numbers of times in the draft. Why the fuck he drafted Bezine and Wolfster when he did, I have no fucking idea, but I almost gaurantee that Lovie had some input, especially on the buizine dude. It's easy to wipe shit on his nose for Chris Williams, but everyone in the league had him rated right about where we drafted him, so its hard to rub poop on him for that.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I have a theory that Angelo once banged MB's girlfriend back in aught 6....

  • In reply to MASOCHR:

    that would make my disdain easier because at least it would have been over and done with... not like being raped over and over every single year by the same guy.

    Look, he's not Mussolini or even Dick Chaney

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Come to think of it, have Mussolini and Cheney ever been seen in the same place at the same time?

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Bingo!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Peppers T-shirt

    http://s838.photobucket.com/albums/zz306/MikeD-2010/?action=view¤t=angelooo.jpg#!oZZ2QQcurrentZZhttp%3A%2F%2Fs838.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fzz306%2FMikeD-2010%2F%3Faction%3Dview%26current%3DJulius_2.jpg

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Nice.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    i went on the site and my computer was cyber attacked like a tourist in Filipino brothel. My vote is the Angelo shirt.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Oh yeaaaaaaaaaaa Oh yeaaaa I likey!

  • In reply to Grizzly559:

    Nice work!

  • In reply to Grizzly559:

    I was away for a few days and missed Jeff's DD thread.

    I don't know what to say that hasn't been said already. Playing the in the NFL and coal mining in WV. About on par with each other as far as shortening the quality of your life. Even the QB isn't immune.

    Oddly, the one position least likely to get a concussion is probably the 1 corner. You're out there on the island, and if you hit, it's probably not involving a helmet hit.

  • In reply to Grizzly559:

    I also simply have to call this line out on you, Jeff:

    "But they sure as hell should have the best doctors in the country working on it. And the players shouldn't show up for an OTA, training camp practice or ballgame until they do."

    We'll just pull up that list of the "best doctors... (Jeremy Clarkson voice)... in the wurrrhld." right here, you know - that white pages that the AMA publishes that list all the doctors in the world from best to worst. I know we all have a copy, right?

    We'll just have a hold out until docs 1-10 have taken a look at the problem.

    Sigh.

  • In reply to Grizzly559:

    Anybody know how Seven Days of the Condom went? Weren't owners and the union gonna lock themselves in a ballroom and turn out the lights and play hide and go seek?

  • In reply to gpldan:

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/football/nfl/02/22/labor.ap/index.html?eref=sihp

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Charlie Batch... he's our huckleberry

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Oh, and you think football is dangerous: http://www.totalprosports.com/2011/02/21/cyclist-azizulhasni-awang-crosses-the-finish-line-with-8-inch-splinter-through-his-leg-pic/

    The funniest part about this story... his name is pronounced... "a wang". Hee hee.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    ..which is ALSO the ansqwer to the question

    "What does a Scotsman have under his kilt."

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    exactly Al. well put.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    "Aye, Laddie! Hoot, mon!"

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    ha!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Irish: "Fine speech. Now what"?

    Williams: "Just be yerselves."

    Hamish: "Where you goin'?"

    William: "Ahm goin to peck a fight"

    ---Braveheart

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    GP, saw this and had to post it for you: http://www.uncrate.com/men/cars/hybrid/imperia-gp/

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Sweet ride, clean and green.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I also like this one's tail lights.

    http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/comment/12/2011/02/a0d73b512384543dd941158d16f9536e/340x.jpg

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Yow!

  • In reply to Grizzly559:

    For DD and the Fridge:

    I'd rather be a sparrow than a snail
    Yes I would, if I could, I surely would

    I'd rather be a hammer than a nail
    Yes I would, if I only could, I surely would

    Away, I'd rather sail away
    Like a swan that's here and gone
    A man gets tired out to the ground
    He gives the world
    Its saddest sound
    Its saddest sound

    I'd rather be a forest than a street
    Yes I would, if I could, I surely would

    I'd rather feel the earth beneath my feet
    Yes I would, if I only could, I surely would

  • In reply to gpldan:

    So any news on the Tshirts?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    +1

  • In reply to iamndmurff:

    Yea the Coordinators are the ones doing something right Murph. Proof shows that Lovies best and only good years are with reliable coordinators behind him. As for Chester, I do agree with you. He was a waste of space and money. I honestly think that Kid Khalil Bell had some upside, and we should focus on coaching him up.

  • In reply to Grizzly559:

    can't coach speed Fres

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    he has no speed? He was explosive wasnt he? Idk. Are we looking for a speed back?

  • In reply to Grizzly559:

    explosive speed and speed down the stretch (maintainable speed) are two very different animals.

    He's a bullet through the hole, but then sits down to put on his cement shoes once he gets 5 yards behind the LBs.

    Mayeb he's our short yardage guy... but we have two of those who are supposed to specialize in that don't we?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I hear you. Specialize in that area is the question mark? Forte shows promise and As for Chester, He needs to hit the hole and break first before he does all that side to side shit.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    So I don't know what I clicked on... I was on my droid and hit it by mistake, but it took me to a rosendouche article about not re-upping lovie till after next year. Maybe Al's post up top??? Anyway, I know rosendouche is, well, a douche... but I had a VERY hard time disagreeing with anything that he said in that article. Seemed to be making pretty logical arguments if you ask me.

    Here, let me go find it... be right back....

    ...ok, here it is (maybe this has already been discussed and I'm just fucking clueless, but sometimes I don't have the patience to read all that's linked... so here it is, possibly again): http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/rosenblog/2011/02/packers-reward-super-bowls-bears-reward-what-exactly.html

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Just found out who Jerry's #1 FA target is: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/football/nfl/02/22/saints-shockey.ap/index.html

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Hardly a Shockey. (What I did there, you see it?)

  • In reply to gpldan:

    http://pw0nd.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/what-you-did-there-i-see-it.jpg

  • In reply to gpldan:

    go pack go!!!! the bears suck!!!!

  • In reply to gpldan:

    the bears have only won 1 superbowl !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • In reply to gpldan:

    haha

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    Really Jeff? Are you serious?

    Please don't tell me that I just read that from you. You essentially JUST wrote that

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    He may have a good point about the CBA issue, but he sure as hell has no fucking point or clue about drafting!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Or ... "Say what you want about the guy that's been strangling the life out of your football team for 8 years but he sure can give a great interview about greed ..."

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