What the Bears Can Learn From Sunday

What the Bears Can Learn From Sunday
Editor's Note: The final four remaining in the Fantasy Playoffs (Shady, BigT, IrishSweetness and MikeBrownhadaPosse) need to have their Super Bowl selections to me by Friday at 12:00 pm CST.  

Editor's Note II: Keep piling on the t-shirt ideas on the post below.  I'm going to look at the options on Thursday and will present the finalists with the Saturday Show this week.

I try not to overstate the lessons to be learned from the teams who reach the Super Bowl.  The Packers did not plan to need a shoestring tackle of DaSean Jackson to advance from the Wild Card round.  They didn't game plan a B.J. Raji pick six against the Bears third-string quarterback when they gathered for training camp this summer.  Football is not baseball.  There are no best-of sevens.  Unlike most other sports, the bounce of the ball on a single play can determine the fate of an entire season.  But still these two clubs provide valuable examples of how to excel in the current NFL.

One Quarterback, One Scheme
Every play Aaron Rodgers has run in the league and Ben Roethlisberger has run since 2007 have been called by the same man - Mike McCarthy in Green Bay and Bruce Arians in Pittsburgh.  Jay Cutler has had three coordinators, and three distinctly different offensive styles, in the last three seasons.  You will not find a successful quarterback in NFL history who has endured without continuity of style from the play-calling department.
Draft Your Bread & Butter
The Pittsburgh Steelers first two picks of the past four drafts. 2010: center, defensive end.  2009: defensive tackle, guard.  2008: running back, wide receiver.  2007: linebacker, defensive end.  Do you think they're a team that prides themselves on running the ball and stopping the run?  Outside of a misguided selection of Limas Sweed in 2008, the Steelers stick to their plan.  They find the players best suited to fit their identity.
The Green Bay Packers first and second picks over the past four drafts.  2010: offensive tackle, defensive tackle.  2009: defensive tackle, edge-rushing linebacker.  2008: wide receiver, quarterback.  2007: defensive tackle, running back.  Dom Capers becomes defensive coordinator in 2009, installs the 3-4, and they take two defensive tackles and an edge linebacker.  The other three selections protect the perimeter, throw the ball and catch the ball.  The core of the current Packers - passing game and pressure.  They may not always get it right on draft day but they have a plan.
The Chicago Bears first and second picks over the past four drafts.  2010: (no picks first two rounds) safety, defensive end.  2009: defensive tackle, wide receiver.  2008: offensive tackle, running back.  2007: tight end, defensive end.   (Side note, what Wal-Mart you think Dan Bazuin is managing these days?)  The Bears seem to employ the "best player available" technique but I've found that approach to be a cop out.  Jerry Angelo and the Bears need to start drafting exclusively for need and that means attacking the offensive line position with gusto this April.  This draft will be an interesting test of organizational direction.


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  • OL OL OL!!!!

    Hopefully nab a vet big WR target in FA, then draft DT, D-Back, C, and LB...

  • Jeff, this is by far your best post... why? Because you took all the emotional outbursts that i've levied against angelo and added facts and real-life reasoning to prove my point. I just couldn't get past the anger to make a logical, facts and examples based argument.

    Jerry angelos draft strategy isn't a strategy, it's shrugging off the much more difficult long-term strategic process it takes to build a deep, winning team over the ling haul.

    Angelo's draft strategy is akin to that shrek3 purchase you made because it was right there and it was only $5.99.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Amen, Brother!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Yeah I'm really anxious to see what JA and company do this off-season. Espescially because there seems to be no consensus as to what we need most. O line, WR, or maybe even a DB since Peanut isnt getting any younger. Are we going to use Olsen for a FB forever? So many questions....

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Jeff I hope you continue to hammer on the coaching continuity issue this offseason. it is so important to constantly re evaluate. And after the performance the team gave this year the evaluation has to be "Hold".
    On the issue of the Packers being a source of insight though...If the Bears Defense continues to make Aaron Rodgers look ordinary then I doubt the Bears will have to look to them for how to be successful in the NFL. Of course that's a pretty big "if".

    The Bears are following their template pretty decisively. Good defense a solid running game and a visit to the playoffs 3 or 4 times every decade.
    With the recent tragedy in the McCaskey family its time to realize that tradition and long standing ownership has more than just the smiling Papa Bear face that Bears fans love to embrace. There is also has the crack addled face of Al Davis. The sad sack/clueless face of Bengals owner Mike Brown. We could just as easliy be seeing the doppelganger of those faces in the future. One of the faces we are never going to see (thankfully) is the bloated fan crazed face of this guy:


    In theory the fan/owner relationship that Green bay enjoys is the stuff that quaint collectivist wet dreams are made of. In practice you end up with theses guys having a vote:


    This teams trajectory starts from the very tippy top.

  • In reply to buckbear:

    Little Bolshoi bastard


  • In reply to MB30SD:

    +1 on the Butter line.

    +1 on Martz hanging around.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    its going to be interesting. I think he addresses some of this through FA. Given the fact that JA surprised ups with both Peppers and Cutler I have no clue as to how this will be done. I'm also no much of a draftnik. But Ruskell makes me nervous. Didn't he single-handedly tank the Seahawks?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    The Shrek 3 analogy doesn't hold water.
    The purchase of Shrek 3 was more because of the plush Donkey or Puss in Boots figure that came with it.

  • In reply to buckbear:

    You got a plush Donlkey!?!?! Fuck! I got gipped Buck!

    btw, would that plush donkey be Lovie?

  • In reply to MB30SD:


  • In reply to buckbear:

    And what about a punter? Jeesh Maynard looked bad at times last year.

  • In reply to Jlehr:

    We can probably bring in a couple of potential replacements without using a draft pick. Unless there's someone really special available around rounds 5 or 6, I vote for picking up 1 or 2 undrafted free agents.

  • In reply to Jlehr:

    Agree. Brad was still effective with OOB inside the 20 kicks. However, when we most needed a boomer he was least likely to provide one (other than the Jets game).

  • In reply to Jlehr:

    So I've thought about this a lot and everyone is going to yell at me, but...

    I don't think we should draft a reciever.

    We have 2 speed guys in Knox and Hester; we have 2 tough 3rd down pass catchers in Bennet and Davis. We probably don't have Shaba, but he's not the answer either if he stays. We don't need role players or depth on the WR roster.

    We need a Calvin Johnson, a Terrell Owens, a Brandon Marshall - all of those guys have different games, but they are all true #1 recievers. I doubt we're going to get anyone like that where we're sitting in the draft. I imagine the top 3 WR prospects will be gone by the time we make a pick - we can't afford to trade up and we can't afford to waste a pick on another slot guy.

    A good reciever is always welcome, but we already have that in Shaba. In my mind, the team either needs to commit to a proven free agent or resign Shaba to a 1 or 2 year deal and see if the guys we have can benefit from better pass protection. Either way, this year, the draft picks should not be going to WR.

  • In reply to mottystone:

    why in god's name would I yell, I think everyone is with you NB.

    There are going to be like 5-10 #1-type WR FAs next year. Not all affordable, but there will be plenty. No way we waste a pick on that... whiiiich means Jerry will.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I don't really have a problem with spending our low end picks (round 5-7) on recievers if someone looks talented. Maybe we can upgrade over knox, or find a great special teams player. There's no harm having six WRs on the roster.

    But I hear a lot of people pushing for us spending our #1 on a WR. Its a bad plan. We should not do it.

  • In reply to mottystone:

    Fuck that (to use the technical term)

    Whomever is advocating that is either a complete moron, or a packers fan... wait...

    Anyway, we need to draft 2-4 OL in the draft if available at our spots, and pick up another proven, super solid one in FA. (See below)

    Our draft should be used for Oline and DBs... and MAYBE a LB if a good one is still around in rds 5 and 6. We gave up our 7th for unaga.

  • In reply to mottystone:

    Another thought. If I understand the rules correctly, we can only pick up free agents if we let guys go, and only with salaries equal to the ones we don't re-sign.

    Getting rid of Tommie Harris, Shaba, or Kruetz, might be more about the "cap space" than about the players themselves. The only way we can afford someone like Brandon Marshall is if we give them Olin's salary. The only way we bring in a really effective veteran at left tackle is if we pay Harris's. And if we want to try for a veteran CB, we might need money that went to Shaba or to one of the other vets I mentioned already.

    Hopefully, the CBA will change the game a bit, but this rule makes our team building efforts even more interesting than they were.

    Can we cut Manu to get some FA cash available?

  • In reply to mottystone:

    I believe we should keep Kreutz and just restructure his contract. I am all in for the cutting of Manu. I think Kellen Davis has to be our 2nd TE. Manu should be dumped. He whiffs on too much blocks and is way to slow.

  • In reply to mottystone:

    With the WRs in FA this year, we def. dont need to draft one. Im still all for Vicent Jackson comin to chicago.

  • In reply to mottystone:

    Sorry, but Shabba ain't it. He had a couple of good games and too many think he's the man. Aromashedu has failed to make the roster on more one team, and there is a reason for it.

    IMO, the Bears have five guys that can be good, in order:

    Whether you choose K. over R. is up to you.

  • In reply to Mastodon:

    Holy shit.

    I must disagree.

    I'll give you Bennett.

    Olsen has butter fingers. Three or four decent catches and 2 good YAC runs do not a "good" player make.

    Hester needs to be on PR/KR not WR - coming in as a "hey #23's on the field" role once in a while. He should NEVER have been a every down WR.

    Kellen Davis is good... I have no problem with him, and last offseason suggested an expanded role for him in the hope that we would jettison Thor-etta.

    Rashied? For 90% of his career here he caught passes like he had burn-unit gauze-wrapped hands. Please don't let a few decent catches shroud the memories of constant heartache and disappointment.

    If we're not going to give Shabba any respect due to what he did in the 5 games where he actually saw the field (doing damn well in all 5, I might add), then why would we give Rashied credit for 5 good catches in a year? Why start blowing Olsen after he had a few wide open catches on great tosses/play calls, not amazing "go up and get it" talent...

    I remember one "good job Greggy" catch this year... A few "thank god Rash actually CAUGHT that one" plays, and a whole lot of "damn it Hester, run at top speed the WHOLE TIME!"

    Shabba dropped ONE shoulda' been a TD pass, and got creamated going across the middle for his second against the Lions. He was the leading receiver otherwise, if I remember correctly. Did we see him again? NO.

    We are all aware what sort of talent analysis we have on this team, and we are all aware how grudges (Shabba), bias (Todd Collins), and general unnecessarily keeping people on the team (did Wolfe live up to his ST skill this year? I didn't see it...) can affect someone's career in Chicago - and I believe Shabba got the short end of the stick here.

    I wish DA well elsewhere, and hope he Brandon Lloyd's himself over to the AFC West (after we steal VJack/Floyd), becauseI sure as hell don't remember what it is he did so wrong to deserve the emotional pendulum to swing so strongly towards "no good loser".

  • In reply to Jlehr:

    I think we need 2-3 OL, 1 DE (with pass rushing skills, Izzy only had 1.5 sacks in the last half of the season), 1 Big, versatile WR, 1 DT, 1 LB, 1 CB and 1 FS. In that order. We could also use more of everything for depth. We don't need more small WR's, or TE's. Manu was a total waste of time and money. Keep the other 3 on the roster (yes, give Des a 2-year contract) and shit-can ManofMoolah. I was disappointed with Chester but I was REALLY disappointed with Manu. I know Des will never re-sign with us but I hate to see him go. I didn't think Chester was as bad as the stats. I know they were horrible but how many times did he get the ball and meet the D within 1 step? Usually at least 3 yards in the backfield. I haven't given up hope on Chester.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    How many big, versatile recievers do you expect to find in the 4th round?

    How many decent defensive back do expect to see if we wait until the sixth?

    I'm not disagreeing with your assessments (I could, but I won't) I'm just saying you can't have it all this year. Only our first 2 picks (maybe our 3rd) are going to be for sure starters. The other 4-5 are going to produce 1-3 starters max, and there's no guarantees.

  • In reply to mottystone:

    Who said anything about the draft? Those are our needs in order, IMO. I could care less if they are drafted, FA or off the street. Are we getting all our needs met? Not likely. Doesn't change the fact they are still needs.

  • In reply to mottystone:


  • In reply to MB30SD:

    RD5 was supposed to be DB or OLB apprentice

    And I may be talked into taking another decent olineman if one's left, instead of a newbie punter/kicker.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Good assessment and breakdown.

    Some more to add:

    Time for K. Bell to leave. We need a power back. I know the Giants didn't lean too heavy on Jacobs, but it was sure nice to have him - even if he was headcasing for Coughlin.

    I don't see much coming from the sandwich, but work them out anyway, see what they have.

    Time for Kreutz to go. Mankins to replace Williams. Somebody to replace Omlette.
    With one more year, Webb will get better. For a late round rook, he really came along. I think he only gets better.

    Izzy, Pep and Woot-woot made a solid group of DEs. Butter is gone, Adams is no BJ Raji and we simply must have push up the middle. I don't know who we go get on that, Melton is best spelling Pep on the outside, the only solid pressure is Toeina and he's undersized and inconsistent.

    The forthcoming lockout may mean no OTAs, no minicamps, nothing but maybe a one game pre-season and maybe even a short season. THat would suck, but point is we probably stand pat in more areas than we move because it will be very hard to get a rook OL trained up if they can't meet with coaches....

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Damn GP, way to piss on my wet dream.

    How about we HAVE football and we do some of the above instead. Talk about a debbie downer... must be a mundee.

    (Fuck, I hate myself for using that joke. It even pisses me off as just a joke... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guv5LUT1AFw)

    Oh, and BAHAHAHAHHA... fuck you Packers (not like we didn't know it already anyway): http://blog.games.yahoo.com/blog/355-steelers-will-win-super-bowl-xlv-predicts-madden-11/

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Kinda funny, but a fucked up Cuttler dig in the begining: http://www.atom.com/funny_videos/nfl_writers_room_super_bowl_xlv

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    " The Packers did not plan to need a shoestring tackle of DaSean Jackson to advance from the Wild Card round. "

    Yep, that was the sole reason the Pack advanced.

    " They didn't game plan a B.J. Raji pick six against the Bears third-string quarterback when they gathered for training camp this summer. "

    You're right. They did 2 summers ago.


    " Unlike most other sports, the bounce of the ball on a single play can determine the fate of an entire season. "

    Agreed. Kind of like the Calvin Johnson catch being the deciding factor of the bears even being in the playoffs.

    " these two clubs provide valuable examples of how to excel in the current NFL. "

    Smartest thing you've posted so far(even though I had to fix your quote for you)

    " 2010: offensive tackle, defensive tackle. "

    Mike Neal is a defensive end.

    " Dom Capers becomes defensive coordinator in 2009, installs the 3-4, and they take two defensive tackles and an edge linebacker. "

    Jarius Wynn is a defensive end also. He also has barely seen the field in his 2 years here, and even was released at cut downs this year only to be resigned due injury on the DL.

    " They may not always get it right on draft day but they have a plan. "

    Nobody does, but the Packers hit significantly more than they don't. Need proof for that? Look no further than this year. Despite losing 9 KEY contributors(7 starters), they're still statistically elite on both sides of the ball & their in the Super Bowl. All this while having one of the youngest teams in the NFL. The one thing you're right about is them having a plan, and that plan, much to your chagrin, IS OBVIOUSLY working.

    Please do some research before you post in future so you don't look so uninformed. Thanks.


    January 23rd 2011

  • In reply to January23rd2011:

    Please go away you absolute Bozac. Look, Cheesy (or GB), you MUST get a life man... seriously, don't you have more important things to be doing this week than trolling on a Bears Blog. Jesus H Christopher man. It's getting really pathetic.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    The irony of your post is priceless!

    Nice rebuttal! Can't dispute anything I posted so you hurl insults. Sign of weak or defeated person. Kudos!

    EPIC fail by you!


    January 23rd 2011

  • In reply to January23rd2011:

    I knew it was you GB. Go outside and enjoy your SB week man. Honestly, go have fun. I would be. You're wasting your time in here man.

  • In reply to January23rd2011:


    A look at what we need to get.

  • In reply to January23rd2011:

    I think Sydney Rice is probably my first wide reciever phone call. Still young, played for a rival, caught passes from a gun slinger for a couple of years, and a bona fide #1 option. He won't instantly improve the offense (we still need better protection for that), but he will be a huge upgrade at reciever and money well spent.

  • In reply to January23rd2011:

    At left tackle, seems like the big money will go to Doug Free of Dallas (don't know anything about him), but I don't see anyone in free agency that's really going to address the position.

    I would favor gambling a bit... if we can trade with someone like Tennesse for their 2012 first rounder (like this year's 2nd rounder), we can get a stopgap for the season and bring in a substantial upgrade to play LT for the next 10 years. Not exactly a win now strategy, but better than wasting a pick on someone who's not gonna get it done anyway.

    Part of me wants to pick up Matt Light as the stop gap. But my wiser half is telling me that we have a couple of candidates on the roster to play for one more year. Better to spend the energy elsewhere.

  • In reply to January23rd2011:

    I also don't see any really good moves at center in free agency. Like I've been saying, the first round pick should go to whoever we feel is the best center in the draft if that player is still on the board, and possibly even the second best center.

  • In reply to January23rd2011:

    At QB, Walterfootball says the Bears should put a second round tender on Caleb Hanie. I disagree.

    The Bears should put a first round tender on Hanie. $2 million is high, but not ridiculously high for a backup QB. The Bears will not be drafting a QB this year or next year with the talent that Hanie has. And the salary is really only about $500K higher than a second round tender.

    If somebody wants Hanie enough to offer the first. I would be willing to deal Hanie if it means we are in a good position to draft a left tackle. If a team like Miami (15th pick), Minnesota (12th) or Washington (10th) wants to gamble on him, I think the trade makes sense.

    If we do deal Hanie, there are some quality veteran option floating around including Caleb Hanie and Luke McKown (both of whome are still downgrades from Hanie). When you read those names (and even, gasp, Rex Grossman) as potential backups; remember that you accepted the downgrade in exchange for a middle of the first round pick to get a real deal left tackle.

  • In reply to January23rd2011:

    I don't see an answer at cornerback in free agency either. Jonathan Joseph would be wonderful, be he's not going anywhere. Asomughah would be like another Julius Peppers, and that's worth it, but somehow I doubt lightning will strike twice. Then again, Chicago being a real contender and the chance to play on an elite defense could be appetizing for him.

  • In reply to January23rd2011:

    Free safety, I'm interested in hearing more about Dashon Goldson of the 49ers. Injuries this season, but he's a true free safety and only 26 years old. Anyone have an opinion about him?

    Even if we sign a free safety in free agency. We still need to address this position in the draft, possibly even in round 1 or 2, but more likely in the 3-5 range.

  • In reply to January23rd2011:

    I would love to steal John Kuhn from Green Bay.

  • In reply to January23rd2011:

    Leave a comment...string of posts is my free agency assessment.

    To recap, our best chance to get into position for a left tackle this year, will be a first round tender on Hanie. Hanie will be happy either way - either he gets a compliment in the pay raise, or else he gets to start somewhere. We'll be happy either way as well - either we feel secure with our well paid backup, or we get a chance at a real left tackle.

    If that doesn't happen, first round pick goes on a center. Big free agency splash goes on a wide reciever. Biggest surprise move will be to gamble on another team's failure with an extra first rounder in 2012.

    The rest of the draft should include a total of two offensive linemen in the top three rounds. Plus a high pick on either DT, CB or FS. Middle rounds should pad the defense with good rookie prospects and, if available, bring in a true blocking full back (ideally that can catch a bit for Martz's sake) or competition at punter.

  • In reply to January23rd2011:

    Marvel / D.C. Final T-Shirt entry.

    Huge Bear taking a "skat" and the pile has Packers in the middle.

  • In reply to January23rd2011:

    Angelo did a good job finding Hanie. This kid can play. Just imagine if he is coached up and is groomed properly.


  • In reply to January23rd2011:

    Here's my take on Jeffs comments:

    The Bears lost to the Packers because our offense failed to put points on the board in the first half. Period.

    Unlike Jeff, I am not a Jay Cutler apologist. Jay did not have a good half. Martz called a weak game. Our offense is way too predictable at times and Martz picked a bad time to fall asleep on the job.

    This years success will rest squarely on the shoulders of Jerry and company at this years draft. Jerry needs to pull a rabbit or two out of his hat and anything short of this may spell doom for next years season. The Bears HAVE to get better through the draft this year and treading water with our line for another year will not do. If Jerry doesn't draft for need this year, I will take back every positive comment I've made about him forever.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    We're fucked.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Wow, you're up early MB.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Anyone who thinks we should look at anything other than lineman this draft is insane.

  • In reply to Reverenddave:

    + 1M

  • In reply to Reverenddave:

    Hope you guys don't mind all the posts but I feel like a kid in a candy store. There's so much delicious information out there begging discussion.

    I found this tid bit from an old Larry Mayer post on Jerry's draft habits. Verrrry interesting.

    Based on past history, it would seem that the Bears are much more likely to move down than move up in the draft. Jerry Angelo has made 22 trades involving draft picks since he became Bears general manager in June 2001. NFL players were part of 13 of those deals. Of the remaining nine trades, he dealt down in the draft eight times and up in the draft only once. The only time he ever traded up was in 2003 when he dealt two sixth-round picks and one seventh-round selection to the Jaguars in exchange for a fifth-round choice that was used on wide receiver Justin Gage. The eight instances where he moved down are as follows: 1) In 2002, the Bears sent second- and fourth-round picks to the Cowboys for selections in the third (cornerback Roosevelt Williams), fourth (defensive end Alex Brown) and fifth (safety Bobby Gray) rounds; 2) In 2003, the Bears traded the fourth overall choice to the Jets for the 13th and 22nd (quarterback Rex Grossman) picks and a fourth-rounder (defensive tackle Ian Scott); 3) They then sent the 13th selection to the Patriots for the 14th choice (defensive end Michael Haynes) and a sixth-rounder that they packaged in the trade for Gage; 4) In 2004, the Bears sent a fourth-round pick to the 49ers for selections in the fourth (linebacker Leon Joe) and fifth (defensive end Claude Harriott) rounds; 5) In 2006, the Bears traded their first-round choice (26th overall) to the Bills for picks in the second (nickel back Danieal Manning) and third (defensive tackle Dusty Dvoracek) rounds; 6) In 2007, they traded their second-round selection to the Chargers for choices in the second (defensive end Dan Bazuin), third (running back Garrett Wolfe) and fifth (safety Kevin Payne) rounds; 7) In 2008, they dealt their fourth-round pick to the Dolphins for selections in the fourth and seventh (defensive end Ervin Baldwin) rounds; 8) They sent the fourth-round choice they acquired from the Dolphins and a sixth-round pick to the Buccaneers for selections in the fourth (safety Craig Steltz) and fifth (tight end Kellen Davis) rounds.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Right, kind makes my point doesn't it?

    So out of the last decade and 22 picks, we have traded DOWN every draft but one? And out of all of those wonderful low round picks we've had what, 4ish serviceable/kind of average players and zero great ones (for any reasonable period of time)?

    Brilliant strategy? I need to understand... please. I'm serious, I honestly really truly don't understand why I should be happy about that resume?

    Since you seem to be into the stats today trac, can I ask you to look up the same info for the Steelers or pats? I'd love to juxtapose the two (or three) teams draft history over the 2000's first decade.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I am focusing on the here and now MB, nothing more. I only said he achieved good results last year. All I am saying is that those kind of results need to continue. My hope is that Jerry trades up to the 2nd or 3rd rounds with our 4th, 5th or 6th round selections and possibly trades down with our 1st round pick if a lot of talent is still hanging around to fill our needs on the line. If I can narrow your focus just a little MB, it would be that I never said JA was great or even good. I only said he achieved positive results last year and I wish to see those kind of results continue into next season.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    But that's my point trac... what happened this year happened IN SPITE of jerry's bungling not because of it. Who's still playing from all of his pick ups on that list? Manning? Again Cutty and Pep were no brainers and only took money

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Here's maybe the part of the equation that I'm giving Jerry credit for. Jerry manned up and admitted for the first time that I can remember that his previous personnel moves sucked. That in essence is what a GM is saying when he goes to the FA market like Jerry did last year. The first step in a crack heads road to recovery is admitting he has a problem MB. I look at last seasons moves as Jerry coming clean and taking a fresh approach.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    you're still getting a blank stare here Trac.

    I don't see that as admitting anything. I think he thinks he's the most brilliant guy there is... just like the McCaskey's think they are great rooney-like owners. Delusional.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    All I'm saying is this, don't make my argument something it is not. When a GM goes to the FA market like the Jerry did last year, that's a sign that the delusion is fading and sanity is starting to creep in.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    I understand your argument, I just don't agree trac.

    My point would be... was it sanity or desperation?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    How bout this, it was desperation and Jerry was smart enough to realize what it would take to turn the ship around. See MB, a win win analysis.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I'm not sure there's a difference, at least when it comes to the NFL.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    and that's fine guys... what sticks in my craw (yes, craw) is when people say he's a strategic shrewd guy... no, he's not.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    You're forgetting the blind squirrel rule MB.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    yes, I am fine with the blind squirrel rule Trac... but that rule is mutually exclusive with the Shrewd and strategic GM rule. So you have to pick one.

    I pick the BSR.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Talk about the topic for a t-shirt.
    Jerry Angelo's head and
    "BSIC (Blind Squirrel In Charge)" underneath underneath.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Oh, and happy birthday to me!

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Yes indeedy Brownie. Happy Birthday.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:


    Something like this: http://appraisalnewsonline.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/12/01/blind_squirrel.jpg

    Jerry's face on the squirrel and pep as the nut?

    Happy birthday you magnificent bastard.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Thanks, guys! Glad the groundhog did us all a favor with the shadow thing today. I can't take anymore snow. I really can't.
    I'm too cheap (and young) to buy a snowblower and it's startingto wear me out.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Just wondering how small can we get this thing. Hrey MBP, thank goodness I live in a place that's in the high 60's - 70's all winter. Can we get this down to one letter per line? Then what... the blog implodes unto itself and we're all sucked into another dimention?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Just for shits and giggles! Wheck it out... nice.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Ha! That shit's whacked!

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Here's some Chitown goodies

    * http://cgi.ebay.com/Packers-vs-Bears-2011-NFC-CHAMPIONSHIP-HOT-DOG-/120676297322?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c18de2a6a

    * http://www.weather.com/outlook/videos/cantore-surprised-by-thunder-snow-19541?from=video_email

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    The thundersnow caused me to be stranded for 7 hours on LSD until I took the bull by the horns and split steamed my way home.

  • In reply to Crowned:

    +1 Makin lemonade out of lemons!

  • In reply to Crowned:


  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I've liveed here all my life and plowed snow for at least 20 yrs of it and last nite was only the third time in my life I've seen thunder snow. Had gusts of wind over 70mph on my wind speed gauge, and mini tornadoes between the back of my house and the garage. Could watch the funnels of snow swirl around SUCKING in and dumping snow all nite. Had 4 foot of snow back there this morning. Took two hours to dig just that out with my Jeep/ 6'western plow. Had a real long day cleaning out driveways. Still not as bad as 67 though. But close.

  • In reply to RogerMinton:

    Thundersnow? Damn. Never even heard of it 'til now.

    I know you guys don't want to hear this but, I miss snow. I miss it greatly. Seattle grey really bums me out. Over here, they don't say "90% chance of rain" they say "10% chance of sun".

  • In reply to DocNitty34:


  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Wow. Thundersnow? I never remember THAt when I was back in the midwest.

    It was NASTY in Tucson today too.
    Only a high of 41 !
    I had to wear a JACKET today!

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    That will be quite enough, Al. I used to pull this shit on the homies when I lived in Florida....

    My arms are like noodles today from chipping/scraping/shoveling ice yesterday. I do remember thunder-snow though, and experience it here in the mountains annually.

  • In reply to sjvl:

    Sorry,sjvj. Couldn't resist.

    My friends and relatives in Chi-town keep texting me pics of the mountains of snow and unrecognizable people in parkas and that's what I texted back so when "Thundersnow was mentioned, I succumbed.

    "..and lead us not into temptaion, for we know the way ourselves."

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    I know, Al. It is irresistable. I remember...

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    The Bears had the 30th ranked offense this season. This is unacceptable and Martz's failed miserably this year.

    Turner's offense was ranked 23rd in his last year. When you think about it, the Bears probably go to the Super Bowl if Turner was still running the show this year.


  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Trac, I agree that the offense was not up to par this year, but what are you suggesting? Firing Martz? I want to see another year in the system and Angelo possibly getting Martz some more help in the way of competent o-lineman and maybe a FA receiver who will fight for the damn ball. Another o-coordinator is the last thing Cutler needs right now. Could you imagine Hester trying to learn a new offense? Dude can return kicks like no other but I believe he may be partially retarded.

  • In reply to jbenton:

    I don't know about the retarded thing, but I sure wouldn't ask him to balance my checkbook.

  • In reply to iamndmurff:

    I don't know Murph, at least you'd be able to go to Hawaii 3 or 4 more times a year.

  • In reply to jbenton:

    I'm saying Martz needs to improve. I'm saying Martz took the offense backwards. I'm saying Martz is our achilles heel. We lost the Championship game on his play calling. Run, run, pass, punt/run, run, pass,punt/pass, pass, pass, punt. You get my drift. Out of all our coaches last year, his performance was the worst. Lets also not forget the decision to not only sign Collins but keep him after the Giants fiasco. Keeping him because he's Jays 3rd OC in 3 years only makes sense if he's NFL ready and up to date. Any other reason will not cut it. Can anyone prove to me Martz is NFL ready and talented enough to keep his job. Nellie made great end roads. Why couldn't another OC if he is talented enough to take over as OC? I think the game has passed Martz by. A change at OC would not hurt my feelings one bit.

  • In reply to jbenton:

    Areas where Martz did well:

    - Turned Forte into an absolute stud with all the mismatches and passing plays. And he adjusted to include more of a running game.
    - Towards the end of the season, learned to use Olsen's pass catching talent as well.
    - Arguably made some improvement in Cutler (TDs went down by 4 and yards by 400, but this was in 1 fewer game and 100 fewer attempts). Cutler threw 10 fewer picks and saw his ypc average climb from 6.6 (career low) to 7.6 (career high).
    - Didn't disrupt Tice's improvement of the O-line.
    - Saw Knox's number increase considerably accross the board.
    - Beat the Jet's defense

    Areas where Martz did not do well:
    - Saw Hester and Bennet's numbers take a plunge (party due to Davis and Knox stepping up though)
    - 52 sacks on Cutler (up by over 33% from last year)
    - Failure to beat Dom Capers GB defense pretty much all three games
    - Steadfast insistence on bringing in and then playing Todd Collins

    There's more to talk about with total team stats, but I think this gives you a good idea of what he did with specific players.

  • In reply to mottystone:

    Thanks NB. Still doesn't help when our O was ranked 30th out of 32 in terms of yards generated. I'm not asking for gaudy numbers, would just like to see us in the 15th to 20th spot. If the Bears can do that then I'll be happy.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    those stats are bullshit Trac. i posted a couple months ago about the difference between the 15th ranked offense and the 30th. It was so close that it only really mattered to statisticians. The fact that Martz did a 180 in philosophy he spent 20 years crafting and he did it in a couple of weeks makes me think they will continue to improve in that department and that they will craft an even more efficient hybrid. Forte will become an even more serious weapon as we use him as a running and pass catching threat in every game next year. Bank on it.

  • In reply to mottystone:

    Just for you MB.


  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    You both made my day, and made me incredibly sad trac.

    Made my day because I don't feel like I'm the only crazy one who thinks Angelo is a complete dump

    Sad, because we have a complete dump as a GM

    Now, yes, yes... this is just another media outlet and one guy's opinion. But, I share in that opinion, so I am taking it as the smoking gun of proof.

    Thanks for posting this by the way trac, you could have squirreled (see how I did that) it away and never posted it.

  • In reply to MB30SD:


  • In reply to gpldan:

    Hahahahaha... exactly GP.

    You know you're absolutely terrible when Al fucking Davis is only one spot away from you. Jesus.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I don't want to rub anything in with our brethren in Chi, but check this: http://www.surfline.com/surf-report/swamis-southern-california-sdcam_4789/

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Boom: http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/264610-cutler-took-shot-in-attempt-to-play

  • In reply to gpldan:

    That storm was nuts!! Thundersnow, 60 mph winds, 25-30 foot high waves off Lake Shore Drive, stranded cars up to the roof with snow. Never seen any shit like that in my life. The city is slowly getting back to normal. It took me an hour to shovel my car out of its spot. Thank god for the split steamer to keep me warm and lead me home!

    Any news front on the new shirt winners?

    GP-you know I dig your Jimi Pep concept and I know you said you would only do one, but can you mash these two pics into a pic for me? I would if I knew how. I know a guy that does printing and I think he would make these. Peps face on Jimi's body. I will give you a free roll bar for your riding lawn tractor and some free shirts if it comes to fruition. Or anyone else with digital skillz??






  • In reply to gpldan:



    Can someone with sick digital/computer skillz put pep's face on jimi's body to combine? GP or anyone else? I know a printing guy that might make these. Helper gets some shirts and a free roll bar.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    You drive me crazy sometimes MB. I have never said Jerry was a good GM. Only that he achieved results last year from numerous moves he made. You and I are saying totally different things. I just think by acknowledging that his moves were very effective last year you seem to think I'm trying to induct him into the GM hall of fame. That is not attall what I ever implied. Capeesh?

  • In reply to jbenton:

    I did not realize the Bears are the winningest franchise in the NFL. Too bad that doesn't translate to Super Bowl Champeeinships.


  • In reply to MB30SD:

    looks like Cutty did take the shot....so fuck you Deion.


  • In reply to FQD1911:

    Fuckin' haters. People just WANT to see people fail. I guess it makes them feel better about their own failures. Assholes.

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    This is part and parcel of all the Bear-Hating, too.

    "We predicted you guys wouldn't be any good. You made us look bad so...'

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    What Jay SHOULD have done was MILK the pain for the cameras and the crowd.

    Remember how Terry Bradshaw would go down in a heap like he'd been shot thru the head with amagnum but, so often, miraculaously return in time to launch one to Swann or Stallworth?

    Even some of Big Ben's teammates came out early in the season and admitted that they suspected him of always having some kind of "injury" as a fallback position.

    Speaking of "milking the pain" why does the name "Narcissus" suddenly come to mind?

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Obviously, Jay doesn't watch enough soccer, er futbol.

    THOSE gentlemen know how to milk the pain!

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    I haven't watched ANY NFL stuff since the last game. Never do during that 2 weeks before the Super Bowl. The media wonks just beat everything to DEATH.

    At this point, what are they going to say that hasn't been said again and again and again.

    It's football, not Brain Surgery or Rocket Science.

    90% of the time it comes down to who does a better job of taking care of the football.

    The other 10% usually comes down to who's more careless with the football.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    The storylines they invent...egads.
    It gets really, really desperate in these last couple of days.
    So Terry Bradshaw and Big Ben groped each other and made up? Who gives a flying rats ass?

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Not only have I not been watching NFL stuff, I haven't been tuning in to Sports Radio much lately , either. One of the local stations is now stand-up comedy, 24/7. Sometimes they even air some stuff hat's actually FUNNY.

    Anyway, help me out. Did they have "Inane-Questions-From-Hundreds-Of-People-Pretending-To-Be-Sports-Journalists-At-The-Super-Bowl Day" yet? I THINK they used to call it "Media Day".

    I sooo wanted to know what Aaron Rodgers favorite cheese is as well as Big Ben's favorite kind of skank.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Hee hee

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    MB, I know you're bored, but go back through this thread. You broke ranks with us - only you. I expect better from you.

    Just do it. After all, of what significance are Packers fans anyway?

  • In reply to Mastodon:

    I know Dave. The bullshit loss just pissed me off and I have been lashing out since. Going against the force.

    I'll stop.

  • In reply to Mastodon:

    And how do you know I'm bored Dave... maybe the 100 posts to everyone's 1 or 2.

    Actually, I tend to post more when things are super busy and stressful at work. Take little 2 minute breaks between kicking ass and taking names (or the other way around).

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    Stop hatin' blend your own bacon FQ.

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    Thanks, for the link, FQ. I rare visit the Times. It used to be my constant companion riding the A train to UIC.

    I posted the following comment there:

    Oh come on!

    "A REAL man would have played until he completely tore up his knee, required major surgery and MONTHS of rehab!"

    Yeah, right! THAT nonsenese is SO easy to spout when it's not YOUR knee or YOUR career.

    What I would really like to say to the critics and so-called "experts" is outside bounds of good taste so I will suffice with

    SHADDAP, you Bear-Haters!

    The facts of this case make you look utterly ridiculous.
    Even moreso than USUAL.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Just heard the White Stripes broke up. Damn. I love that band.


  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    RIP Stripes

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    Here's a 2nd I came up with, although the official Bears logo probably makes it a no-go.


  • In reply to gpldan:

    very nice GP.

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    Meh... I know Jack White's supposed to be a veritable geeeenius, I was just never really into their music.

    With that said, this should cheer you up doc: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0049JPU9Y/uncrate-20

    A little cake to soothe your soul. Maybe I'll throw in some Specials... or even some motherfucking Clash too.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    DeStil (sp?) is great but I'm not hot ofn their other stuff. Liked the Specials but always felt the first English Beat recored was the best of that era, although its more pop-influenced than straight up ska. Was talking with some friends about Sandinista! the other night. I remember buying that set and couldn't quite wrap my mind around a 5 disk album at the time.

  • In reply to jdawg:

    Huge EB fan J. Dave Waklin still plays here in San Diego and I've seen him play in small venues more times than I can count. He does all the old EB tunes. Awesome. Still a huge Ska fan, mostly old skool stuf.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    saw on another blog that Lovie's mother passed away (77 years old; diabetes). R.I.P. Mae Smith

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    RIP mom.

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    RIP Mae

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    Awww. Sad. Condolences.

  • In reply to Reverenddave:

    You KNOW you're in trouble any time your team selects

    "The best player available".

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Actually Albert, that's pretty much what most teams do. I guess they figure a bird in the hand is better than 2 in the bush. I never have understood why they do it when team needs should come first.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    That's pretty much what teams who don't have a very shrewed (if I may) GM do trac. Maybe that's where i'm not getting it... I don't want to be on the same level as carolina, or the browns, or the fucking 9ers... I want to be, at least close to, the level of the Pats and steelers.

    We're the Chicago Bears, not the Chicago Bills.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    MB, I've read in multiple articles that the "Good" teams draft for value first. Let me clarify, the "Good" teams usually don't have 3 or 4 glaring needs and can afford to draft the best value or talent left of the board. A GM who incorrectly thinks his team is "Good" and "all set" often neglects need. Last year I think Jerry finally realized we were not a "Good" team and that we weren't "all set". This is my hope.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Boom! There we go trac, now you and I are talking the same language my man. Agree 100% with this post.

    When you're a good team, you take value at your spot to build depth. When you have zero depth AND glaring gaps in the core of your roster, you simply can't afford to employ that strategy.

    Final word... do you find it coincidental that jerry applies the lowest common denominator of GMing as his core strategy? Kind of like a trader who thinks he's brilliant because his core strategy is 'buy low, sell high'.

    Bottom line, it's brutal and this amazingly historied franchise deserves better

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Yeah, I remember when Mike Hull was the "Best Athlete Available".

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Anyone else remember the infamous scouting "syndicate', BLESTO-V, that the Bears were subscribers to in the late 60s? THERE were some wasted picks.

    Actually, I think BLESTO-V was code for "Scouting on the cheap".

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Hey Albert!

    Wondering if you caught the piece on ESPN about the '85 Bears the other day? About how they DIDN'T win more titles.

    About how they (like GeoMak) highlighted the DEFENSE, or lack thereof, as being one of the reasons.


    Dan Hampton: "When Buddy left it was never the same".

    Mike Ditka: "We were good (afterwards) but we didn

  • In reply to GeoMak:

    Hey, GeoMak!


    Are you STILL on that kick?

    How many threads ago WAS that discussion?

    Geez. Buddy was a GREAT DC for the Bears.

    Having a BOATLOAD of GREAT defensive players probably had NOTHING to do with it but
    feel free to worship the ground Buddy Ryan walks on.

    The Bear defense wasn't the same after he left.
    Guess what? Neither was he.

    Lets take a moment to discuss Buddy Ryan's post-season successes after he left the Bears.
    .(Imangine the sound of crickets here.)

    Well, THAT didn't take long, did it?

    Feel free to dig up some convenient quotes and DVDs about THAT era.

    You're in Phoenix? Have you been there long enough to have seen how he took the 2nd ranked offense in the NFL the year before he got there and promptly tore it apart?

    We'll just agree to disagree.

    Have a nice evening.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Not on a 'kick.' Just showing you how laughable your commentary was regarding Ryan and the Vince Tobin defense.

    And of course, backing it up with quotes from Hampton & Ditka. Sorry, you lose.

    Of course he had great players. So did every other great coach. However, there's this: (listen close) He had a LOT to do with those guys being 'great players.'

    Why? Well, let's listen to Jim Rome here for a minute (talking about Rex Ryan):

    "Until now I've never seen an NFL coach inspire as much loyalty and a coach players want to win for worse than Buddy Ryan."

    "Every single player I've ever spoken to that played for Buddy Ryan loved the man and wanted to go to war for him personally."

    See, my friend, Buddy had a lot to do with how great those guys played, beyond the X's & O's.

    Or this from the great Gerry Philbin who played for Buddy with the SB Champion NY Jets:

    "Gladiators, man. I played under him at the University of Buffalo and with the Jets. It got mean, cruel. I've never seen anyone better at bringing the animal out of you. If you didn't hit as hard as he wanted, he'd humiliate you in front of everyone. Guys like me loved him, though. He was just so brutally honest."

    I moved out to Phoenix when Buddy was hired in 1994. 2nd ranked offense? Umm, not exactly my friend. They were ranked 9th in points, 8th in yards the year before in 1993.

    That was an anomaly. The previous four season they were ranked 24th, 27th, 24th and 25th in points scored, much like the two seasons under Ryan (27th & 27th) and the first two seasons under Vince Tobin (22nd & 25th).

    I'm always available to help clear things up for you. No problem.

  • In reply to GeoMak:

    You don't happen to want to go eat a goddamn snack, do you?

  • In reply to GeoMak:

    Doc - thanks for extending the birthday thread to the point where comment-code couldn't display the reply window. Awesome.
    MB - I may be headed to a warmer climate. But in the meantime, thanks for rubbing it in. I am just, for the only time this year, glad I don't live in Chicago today.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Happy Late Birthday, MikeBrown!

    I said I was happy not to be in Chicago as well - only the second time I have uttered that blasphemous phrase. The other was 9-11.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Make no mistake, this issues lays squarely at the feet of Mike Martz. Out of all the Bears coaches, Martz is the only one I believe didn't receive a passing grade. I'm not sure Jay is better off with another year under Martz. I know, 3 years, 3 different systems. If Martz can morph then I say keep him, but if he continues to struggle he will be the achilles heel of our offense no matter who we draft.


  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Was it Martz or Lovie who sets the QB order?

    I still say we keep the Martz/Cutler partnership going, but perhaps just for one more year. We got one bad year, one almost great year, this one will be the tiebreaker. I've seen enough good to say leave it alone for next season.

  • In reply to sjvl:

    Martz is the O co-ordinator who gave the blessing on Collins. Martz has his fingerprints all over that one. Lovie is the HC and he is ultimately accountable but Martz made the call, Lovie just went with the flow.

  • In reply to GeoMak:

    Blah, blah, blah. Yada, yada, yada.

    What do you call that dance, GeoMak? You know, the one you do around the issue? Because I'm still waitin' to hear about all of Buddy's playoff success.

    Couldn't find any quotes or DVDs to address that, yet?

    (More crickets).

    My original, focused, point was, the Bears don't win in '84 WITH Buddy and WITHOUT McMahon and I firmly believe they'd have repeated in '86 WITH McMahon and WITHOUT Buddy.

    None of that changes no matter how many Buddy Ryan testimonials you can dredge up.

    Speaking of dredging...

    Jim Rome?

    Oh brother! THERE'S a source. The man who called Jim Everett "Chris" (Romespeak for "coward") because he wasn't fond of guys twice his size falling on him, then when Romy said it to Everett's face on the air and Everett reacted angrily, stood up (and flipped the table between them out of the way), Rome beat feet off the set like a scared rat so fast he was a BLUR! Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. Screw that little hypocrite. Rome thinks his crap doesn't stink.

    9th ranked offense? O.K. Sorry, your honor. Let me rephrase. Buddy took an EXCELLENT Cardinal offense apart because, as usual, he thought he could just win with his defense. Then he signed a bunch of his over-the-hill defensive cronies and completely, utterly, failed back up his famous "You've got a winner in town" boast from his first press conference in the Valley of the Sun. Unless you count one 8-8 season as a "winner".

    His offensive "concept" in Philly was to tell Randall Cunningham to "go make 4 or 5 big plays". A concept that produced the some success in the regular season but didn't seem to work so well in the post-season.

    Among his offensive "highlights" in Phoenix was SEVEN straight, cracks from the 1 yard line with goal to go before turning it over on downs, AGAINST HIS OLD EAGLE DEFENSE. What happened Buddy, did you forget your OWN tendencies? Brilliant!

    And fog or no fog, he lost a playoff game that matched Randall Cunningham against the immortal, MIKE TOMCZAK ?!?!

    His complete disdain for offense is further, and laughably, documented during his stint as DC in Houston. He was lucky Kevin Gilbride was sensible enough not to knock the little blowhard on his ass when Ryan tried to sucker punch Gilbride on the sidelines when they were coaching there.

    Besides, continuing this dialogue is moot because I triumphed way back when you played the "You don't know anything about football" card, which is the WHITE FLAG of any rational discussion.

    But hey, feel free to continue worship at the Church of Saint Buddy. After all, there are still Catholics who pray to "Saint" Christopher even though the late Pope, J.P. II, said "NO SAINTHOOD for YOU!"

    Buddy DID do great things with the Bears. I'm SURE he'd have been happy for his old defense if McMahon had been healthy in '86 and the Bears had won a second Super bowl without him.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    One more thing, GeoMak.

    To quote John Wayne as "Cap'n Jake" in THE COMANCHEROS:

    "Sooner or later you're gonna figure out I AIN'T your friend."

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Dude. You're getting more laughable by the minute.


    As I stated before, I've been on record since 1984 that, with McMahon, the Bears probably win it all.


    I, along with a few people like Otis, Danimal and Da Coach are on record as saying that the loss of Buddy Ryan almost assuredly cost them more titles, starting in 1986.

    The fact that Vince Tobin's defense averaged TWO more TD's in the playoffs than in the regular season clearly SUPPORTS that testimony.

    You worship at the alter of VINCE TOBIN?
    That's sad. It really is.

    Are you serious? Otis, Ditka and Hampton say it, but noooooooooooooo, some Bear fan in Tucson disagrees, so, I guess we gotta go with the guy in Tucson.


    Jim Rome? How many NFL players have YOU talked to? (I know a few, one of who played for Buddy in Philly and Jim has talked to thousands).

    All Jim Rome said was that EVERY player he talked to said the same thing about Buddy Ryan.

    Are you calling Jim Rome a liar? Stupid? Delusional?

    Let me rephrase, you said (no let me get the FACTS from GeoMak, instead of the made up nonsense you use).

    EXCELLENT Cardinal offense apart!!!!!!!!

    Really? They were ranked 24th, 27th 24th and 25th the four years previously to their 9th ranking.

    They were ranked in the 20's the four years afterwards.

    Get it? ONE YEAR in NINE YEARS they escape the 20's for 9th . . . and you have the nerve to call them an EXCELLENT offense.

    They may be the most delusional thing I've EVER read. ONE YEAR OUT OF NINE!!!!!!!

    You kill me dude.

    You've got a winner in town?

    Umm, when Buddy said that he was talking about the PAST, of course, not the FUTURE.

    Fact is he WAS a winner, every where he went (Jets, Vikes, Bears, Oilers, Eagles as far a records go). Tying that into his upcoming 8-8 record makes no sense at all.

    You make ZERO sense, my little friend.

    As far as to all you disinformation regarding Buddy's years in Philadelphia (of which there are tons) I'll save that for a later date.

    I'mm sorry that Otis, Hampton and Iron Mike disagree with your brialliant assessment regarding the defense.

    Too bad.

    BTW: The use of the word 'friend' is clearly used with a heaping layer of sarcasm. Just so ya know.

  • In reply to GeoMak:

    Dance, dance, dance, GeoMak.

    You're swinging after the bell.


    "You don't know anything about football"

    comment was the bell.

    It was the horse leaving the barn .

    What's laughable here is your desperation.

    You're deperately trying to UNring that bell and close the barn door after the horse is gone and you are extrapolating comments I never made to try and do it.

    I've said nothing to indicate "worship" of Vince Tobin. I didn't call Jim Rome a liar, stupid or delusional.

    If I'm your "friend", can I call you my "buddy"?

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    I have a sneaking suspicion that GeoMak has a twin brother, likes M&Ms, and is much funnier in press conferences than he is online.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    I'm back! After lots of ice and lost power.

    MJD will not apologize, and in fact, says he will send our QB flowers....


    This guy has issues.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Rick Reilly showing his objective sports journalist side again:


    I have one main complaint about his logic in this piece. Why should Green Bay be lauded for the commitment to their team over any other? The franchise has literally nothing to compete against in the area. No professional hockey, basketball, or baseball. No cultural entertainment, theater, symphony, art galleries, museums, zoos etc. Chicago has all of those things as do other big cities. I can't back this up with facts but I'm almost certain that an old franchise with few competing sports or cultural events competing for dollars is far more likely to have a "loyal" fan base.

  • In reply to buckbear:

    Cultural events? That's rich.

    Does ice fishing qualify as a cultural event?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I think it does.

    To the FISH.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I think this guys strategy pretty much sums up what I think Jerry is going to have to do in this years draft. Trade away some lower round picks for proven talent to fill our teams needs. Of course there will be only so much Jerry will be able to do but I believe this will have to be part of his strategy going forward. I think we can also package a player or two of our own and add another 3rd, 4th or 5th round pick to the draft. I would like to see us either move up in the first round or add a 2nd or 3rd round draft pick via a trade. Any Suggestions guys?


  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Call me crazy but if a outstanding de drops to us.. I would get him. If we adressed our oline in fa

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    DE certainly is a need for us 85. We may be better off via FA than through the draft though.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    This guy makes an argument for selecting a top rated WR if there's still one available when it comes time for the Bears to draft in the 1st round. He makes the argument that the 2 lineman the Bears have drafted in the first round recently(Columbo, Williams), didn't/haven't panned out so well for them. He also seems to think that the O-line pool will be very deep in this years draft which may give them the flexibility to wait until the 3rd or 4th rounds to address the O-line. That's what the said about last years DB's though.


  • In reply to MB30SD:

    MB, if that's what you think then you might as well start writing the obits on next years season. No matter how you cut it, our chances next year will hinge on Jerry.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Baby got hungry

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    That may have been Jerry's strategy all along MB. Hence my "shrewd" comment from a couple of thread back.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    What's that Trac? I still have zero comprehension of what strategy and shrewdness you're talking about? I'm being honest and not snide... I really don't get how leaving the line to degenerate into a pulpy mess for 3 years... until people are literally screaming for you to fix it or die...

    How is that a strategy... well, it is A strategy, just not one that will beget any type of success at all (long term)

    Enlighten me pls trac, I'm beginning to think I'm either dumb or crazy here.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    A shrewd move here or there and we are in the Super Bowl next year MB. I don't think we are as bad off as you make it out to be. Sure we struggled last year but we made it to the Championship game. Next year will be better. It will happen, you'll see.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Trac, you're completely discounting the whole injuries thing. Can't do that mang, biiiiiiig piece of it.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Very interesting interview with Gil Brandt from a couple of years ago on draft strategy. The Packers are one of the teams that have drafted down more than any other team recently.


  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Jerry must trade up in the draft. Our goal should be to solidify the line first. Who do we have on the roster that we can actually get something for in a draft day trade? I think Tommie Harris has trade value and I for one wouldn't have a problem packaging him in a trade.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Harris has no trade value. None. Everybody in the league knows the truth about his leg, and his career is dead man walking.

    He lasted a few more years than the guy we drafted in the 2nd round behind him, Tank Johnson. But now the party is over for Harris.

  • In reply to January23rd2011:

    "EPIC fail" - is that not the rallying cry of the weakest generation?

    I know my generation had some bad slang, but at least it was created by individuals whose nuts had descended. This new guard idolizes phrases created on the internet... "pown", "epic", "fail"...

    The new phrase I can handle the least is using the word "beast" as a noun, adjective, adverb, and verb in the same paragraph.

    If you could, sir, please define the "irony" of his statement.

    Until then, go catch a boat to fuck-offitty land.

  • In reply to JohnGalt:

    Ad hominem just makes looks weaker & even more defeated than you really are, really.

    He attempts to make himself and his generation look tougher by saying "go catch a boat to fuck-offity land."

    That is definitely not a statement from a male whose testes have descended. You sure you don't where lipstick and pee sitting down?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I'm iced in here in Dallas watching the XLV coverage and thinking about how much both of these teams wish they were in New Orleans. Anyway, it occurs to me that the Bears' largest decisions should come in this order: OL, DE/DL, CB...hear me out before you crucify me.

    1. OL-biggest need, even Angelo can see it. We don't just need one, we need a real LT, a replacement for both Krutz and Garza as well(that is if Lance Louis isn't gonna work out, which would suprise me). You can't go wrong with heavy picks for the line. Forte gets better because the holes are bigger, Jay and the smurfs get better because they have more time, the whole offense(which is pretty F-ing talented when they have time to work) could be first class with another second or so of time, and that comes from a talented, cohesive front five working together. I like the Pouncey kid out of Florida if he's still there, his twin brother is a beast.

    2. DE/DL-If you can field the baddest 4 sum bitches on the planet on your defensive line.........you can do great things. I think we've seen that before in Chicago about 25 years ago. Peppers is great, but his clock is ticking and he needs help. FA, draft or trade we need to see at least 1 of not 2 studs to put next to him. Izzy is good not great, I think Melton can be great, and I like AA's motor and attitude, but you need a difference-maker on the other side.

    CB-Peanut is getting long in the tooth, and though I liked Timmy Jennings for most of the season, that performance in the Championship game wasn't one for the ages. We ought to be able to find a solid CB/S in the 3rd or 4th round to improve our depth.

    LB-I'd like to see us begin to look at the Post-Urlacher years. We need youth at LB.

    I do think that, aside from new blood on the OL, the most important thing is continuity of the coaching staff. Rod, Martz, Tice and Taub need to come back, but I'm totally open to other position coaching changes to bring in some new ideas and perspective.

    As usual, MB30SD brought the wood and named names. I've got 2 kids, not enough time to write a scouting report. Bear Down.

  • In reply to MattySouthside:

    I got two too (see how I did that Matty).

    ...stop hatin', blend your own bacon: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCxFn3sAw68

  • In reply to MattySouthside:

    Oh, and I'm with you on the Jennings thing... was going to throw it in there, but if I had to pick one DB need over the others it would be a real FS, but that can't come in the draft for us.

  • In reply to MattySouthside:

    go packers!!! lets win it all!!!!!!!

  • In reply to packersfan1889:

    Jesus, another waste of space from GB, how many can there be? Dave?

    Oh and... yeah, good luck with that: http://blog.games.yahoo.com/blog/355-steelers-will-win-super-bowl-xlv-predicts-madden-11/

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    You know you're desperate for an out when you resort to referencing Madden simulations. Grasping at straws much? And you call me a loser.

    You will NEVER be able to erase the memory of the Green Bay Packers beating the bears and hoisting the George Halas Trophy on their home turf. Regardless of this Sunday's outcome.

    Learn. To. Love. It.


    January 23rd 2011

  • In reply to January23rd2011:

    Not really GB, seven years of being right? Don't know, doesn't sound like a statistical anomaly to me. Should be interesting to see if it works again this year, no?

    Hey, if a Spanish cephalopod can correctly pick the winner of every single round of the world cup correctly, why not a computer program?

    The machines are going to take over everything at somepoint anyway, check it out man

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    It's been eerily close on margin of victory as well.
    The winner, well, that's a coin flip. But getting the winner and the spread? Excellent modeling.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    exactly MBP.

    Doc can we get a theorem on that hit %? I'm no mathematician, but I believe it's something like 100%... right? Pretty interesting numbers at the very least.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Hey Doc: http://marquee.blogs.cnn.com/2011/02/01/big-lebowski-2-in-the-works/?hpt=T2

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Man. That would be sweeeeeet!

  • In reply to packersfan1889:

    ...who to get rid of?

  • In reply to packersfan1889:

    This one is much better, and skews us Bears fans better, although they confuse Minnesota and Chicago accents...


    The Conga line at the end is pretty good....

  • In reply to packersfan1889:

    I guess you know we all want the Steelers to kick your ass.

  • In reply to MattySouthside:

    i have to throw one thing in the ring tonight before movie night starts.

    Manu came off knee surgery and got better as the season progressed. On alot of forte's key runs Manu was there providing solid blocking. I'm the biggest Dez fan in the world but I feel like Olsen, Kellen and Manu at TE is a solid lineup. I love Dez though but we can't keep 4. We have to start using K.Davis or Dez immediately.

  • In reply to MattySouthside:

    You know how you made it with a stupid Xtranormal video?

    When others take your characters and motif and make sequels to your video.

    I guess it was inevitable. Although it was clearly made by a Packers fan, and they changed the Rick Reilly character because they probably don't know who that is.

    I guess I should be flattered that my motif / characters caught on, but honestly these videos are made by such unoriginal stupid fudge packer morons, there is no satisfaction in it...

  • In reply to MattySouthside:

    Show of hands: If Tim Jennings had the name "Woodson" , "Asomagha" or "Revis" stenciled on his back, he wouldn't have drawn flag 1.

    I'm NOT saying he didn't commit P.I., technically.

    I AM saying SOME DBs are allowed certain priviledges that others are not.

  • In reply to MattySouthside:

    Nice summary, Matty.
    My priorities are:
    GUARD (all caps for emphasis.)
    DE/DT (my preference would be a DT but it all depends...)
    OT (gotta, even if you believe that Webb is the long term solution at one of the tackle spots, and I LIKE Omiyale...still, ya gotta)
    then cornerback, safety...I think drafting LB will be a waste this year. If we're going to draft a Mike, it needs to be a first round quality one, not some sixth rounder that's the next Brian Iwuh. No offense, Brian.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Dombrowski. Does that sound like a BEAR lineman or WHAT!?

  • In reply to Jlehr:

    So what's our bread and butter?

    Well we play a Cover-2 base defense. The weak link in our cover-2 right now is the free safety position. We have several decent or good strong safeties. Peanut is probably our best free safety and he's playing corner. Second place is the cornerback position, which needs depth and quality starters. We might see a steal at cornerback in the bottom of round 1, so I'm looking there first on D.

    On offense, our identity was to run. But Martz is our coordinator, so is that still true? Then again Forte (RB) is probablt our best offensive weapon... but he's best when he catches... We play a lot of two TE sets, but our supposedly best TE is better at catching than blocking. So what's our identity? The Bears identity is to have a balanced offense based on the outside run game and a large group of passing threats.

    No matter what though... any offense's bread and butter is the line. We need to address our line every year. Half of the guys on the field are O-line when we have the ball, so neglecting the offense is neglecting half of the offense. For that reason, I'm looking at O-line in the 1st round.

    But drafting the best player available is still a factor. Our biggest need is left tackle... but we can't just draft any left tackle. We need to make sure we get a starter in round 1... if there are no good value tackles, we should look elsewhere. That's why I'm pushing for bringing in the best center in the draft, or else on of our other key needs (CB, FS, etc.). There might still be 2nd or 3rd round grade tackles on the board, but they might also still be on the board 32 picks later.

  • In reply to mottystone:

    Im def. agree with you on this. Round 1 should be an OL or CB or Safety.

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