Coaching Continuity a Must This Offseason

Editor's Note: If this were a non-fiction book, the full title would be Coaching Continuity a Must This Offseason, or The Stupidity of Steve Rosenbloom.

I wake up this morning and check out the Tribune sports website and see that Steve Rosenbloom has decided Mike Martz needs to be fired as offensive coordinator of the Chicago Bears.  I just shook my head.  As most of you know, I was born and raised in New Jersey and have lived in New York City for the past decade.  The birthplace of sports radio.  The home of Mike Lupica, my sports literary hero.  I love Chicago, however.  The Bears, of course, but also Wrigley Field and Ozzie Guillen and the Jordan Bulls and Steppenwolf Theatre and deep dish and Old Style and the broad's voice at O'Hare that sounds like my friend Steph.  It's my second home.  The fact that Chicago sports fans, my favorite in the universe, have to deal with such consistently third-rate sports journalists from major news outlets is one of the most depressing things going.

If Mike Martz is responsible for Todd Collins playing two series in the NFC Championship Game, he should be slapped across the mouth and chastised publicly in Millennium Park.  (I contend, however, that decisions like these should always be on the head coach.)  But placing Collins in the #2 role does not overshadow the remarkable improvements the quarterback and offense made in 2010.  Martz discovered, after the bye week, the balance required to effectively run an offense in Chicago.  By season's end he had begun taking full advantage of Matt Forte's skill set.  He was a strong offensive line from something special.

Rosenbloom actually criticizes Martz for not running a typical Martz offense, as if he would have preferred to see the Bears struggle all season in the post-Coryell system as opposed to seeing an intelligent playcaller adapt to the abilities of his talent.  He criticizes the Bears for not running the ball enough late in the game Sunday when the opposition expected a run on every single damn play and had begun bottling up Forte on every carry.  The problem Sunday were not Martz' play calls, with the exception of the scratch-your-head Earl Bennett end around.  The problems were the inability of the starting quarterback to find a wide open Devin Hester and the third-stringer to avoid B.J. Raji and hit Matt Forte instead of throwing a game-ending pick.  The calls were fine.  The execution was garbage. 
The best part of Rosenbloom's piece?  He advocated the promotion of Mike Tice to playcaller.  Tice, you might know, oversaw the worst unit on the football team for the duration of the season.  Tice, you might not know, has never called a play in a football game in his life.    
The Bears must maintain every facet of this coaching staff for at least the duration of the 2011 season.  They can not force Jay Cutler into his fourth offensive system in four years.  They can not expect a young offensive line, young receiving corps to improve with playbook turnover every season.  Look no further than the two teams playing in next week's Super Bowl to realize the importance of system continuity and organizational faith.  
The Bears were one game away from the Super Bowl with this coaching staff.  These coaches proved this season they can adapt.  They can change.  They deserve another chance to win two more games.

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  • first beeyotch

    and totally agree. ALL the coaches need to stay (and they probably will)

  • I don't think Lovie should go, but he does infuriate me at times. Would be so hard to once in a while admit you fucked up? "I made a mistake. I was wrong. If I had to do it again, I'd make a different call." Is he so afraid of giving management reasons to fire him, that he can't ever admit a mistake?

    He can start with Collins. "Was Collins the right call at the time? No, but I thought he was. Next time, it's Hanie." Luckily for all of us Collins won't be back for this to recur.

  • In reply to Jokey:

    +1

    What Lovie said was that it was that they though Collins was better, but that it was a close call. So therefore they were able to confidently make the switch when Collins was not productive. This, of course, does not account for the fact that Collins suffered a career ending shoulder injury prior to the switch, but whatever.

  • In reply to mottystone:

    He was covering his ass for loosening the leash on Martz regarding backup QB IMO.

  • In reply to mottystone:

    I agree to a point. I think if there was one of our coaches on the hot seat it would be Martz. The end around on 3rd and 3 should at least force him to give back a big chunk of his salary. It sucks that the best reason for him to stay around (in my mind) is that you need to give these players at least one more year in the same system.

  • In reply to BigT:

    Last season and much of this one, we were spitting venom because they ran the ball up the gut. In hindsight, the play didn't work, so it was a bad call. But c'mon guys. Can we be consistent here?

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    Doc, its always easy when it doesnt work. Was a great call if it woulda worked, we woulda called the man genius.

  • In reply to iamndmurff:

    Precisely, Murph. The only difference, ever, between a good call and a bad call is execution.

  • In reply to mottystone:

    why would anyone be on a hot seat when you make it to the nfc championship game?

  • In reply to JeffHughes:

    change nfc to afc and ask marty schottenheimer!

  • In reply to mikebdot:

    oh, they lost to patriots in first game...not really much difference if you ask me as that would be different than losing to someone like a seattle...

  • In reply to mikebdot:

    The Worst Part About Sunday's Loss

    We lost to the Packers. The fucking Packers. That certainly was a major reason that Sunday's loss hurt so incredibly bad. Pardon me, HURTS incredibly bad. But it's not the main reason.

    We lost our chance at the ultimate prize. That certainly has to be the major cause for disapointment. But it's not what hurts the most.

    Jay played like crap when he did play. Man that hurt. What I wouldn't have given to see him silence his critics. But it's not what hurt the most.

    The Refs were dressed in green and gold. Goddamn that pisses me off. And they DID have something to do with the loss. But I won't blame them. We may have lost anyway. Who knows? And it's not the part that hurts the most.

    Our coaches coached and our line played like idiots. Holy shit, what a game to forget how to do your job. That might be the second most painful aspect of the loss, because talent wise, I think we SHOULD have won. But it's not the first.

    We lost after a once in a million season when the ball bounced our way and we had NO major injuries. Very few minor ones to boot. Seasons like that are not likely to repeat themselves. And for that, I'll be eternally jaded. But it's not the main reason for my pain.

    The media and fans have a new "reason" to pile on Jay. Man does that suck. But, that could've happened even with a win. Whatever. I don't mind being hated by the media and fans of other teams. So it's not the main reason. Actually I do mind and it fucking pisses me off, but it's not the main reason for my heartache.

    The main reason is this. Despite our team exceeding literally everybody in the worlds expectations, maybe except for the players themselves (and Johnny Waffle), despite our playing in the NFC championship game (at home), despite the great job by several older players who we thought were declining, despite our defense regaining it's swagger in a big way, and despite two seasons in a row of having the best quarterback we've ever seen wear Navy and Burnt, even our own fans are back to being pissed. Oh how I wanted to sit back and, after the initial depression wore off, just reflect on how damn good our team did this year. Man it was a fun ride. We really did have a legit chance at the Lombardi. But still bear fans everywhere and many of my favorite characters on this blog have gone right back to last offseason mode. This blog has had well over a thousand posts since the game and the vast majority of them are negative, pissy, whining, and frankly, just plain ridiculous. We had such a good season boys and girls. Why must we revert to chicken little so soon? Why can't we be disappointed yet optimistic as we reflect on a truly surprising season? Don't get me wrong. I want perfection and titles as much as the next guy, but you'd have to be a blind fool to think this season was a fluke, or was good despite our coaches. A damn fool. I'll explain why in later threads. It's going to be a long one. So I'll wait on that. But damn guys. I really don't want to go through another long off season of MB and Irish and others listing why we suck and all that shit. It made sense last year. But it just plain doesn't after the year we've had. And that is what disappoints me the most. I just can't sit through another long offseason of doomsday predictions and sonnets about why we should blow up our team.

    I mean Goddamn.

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    +10,000

    Thank you.

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    Anybody ever check this guy out?

    http://www.youtube.com/user/sportsfansnetwork#p/u/0/YmqOSu0Ngz8

    Makes a pretty good case that Cutler fucked up his knee at the beginning of the 2nd Qtr. I know there area always ifs, but if he didn't I don't think those throws sail on him and we may not even be having this conversation. Dude played an entire quarter with a sprained knee.

  • In reply to jdawg:

    His first pass of the game sailed on him.

  • In reply to jdawg:

    jdawg...where you been man..we talk about "Boy Roy" all the time.. earlier thread.

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    watch the video.

  • In reply to jdawg:

    I forwarded this video to NFL network..hopefully the boners will see Cutty was hurt. what a bunch of ass-clowns

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    The video made me feel a lot better about the game. Some of those throws he was hopping on his good leg. The video also showed that even innocuous-looking hits to a QB can be game changers, further underscoring our o-line needs.

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    It's easy to make bad decisions calling plays when you have a line built like swiss cheese. If anything, give Tice more say so come draft day and free agency. Keep em all, don't rock the boat.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    trac...agree, if he can make a silk purse out of a sows ear like he did this year..crickey what can he do with a real O-line!!

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    Roboto - that sounds like a saying from a Farmer's Almanac. I love it.

    I said it before and i'll say it again. Jay will get better and better every year and the ballclub won't take steps backwards. Cutler and Peppers coming here is a testament to that.

    Remember when 8-8 ad 9-7 was considered a fucking great year? It was called the 90's. Now under Lovie Smith 9-7 is an utter failure. That is a good thing that people think that way. Time to ramp it up even more for next year.

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    sorry -- sometimes when the threads hit 300+ comments its hard to catch everything. Was this particular video referenced?

  • In reply to jdawg:

    it's all good brother.

  • In reply to jdawg:

    I love the way Roy holds up his glass of beer for the whole thing ....

  • In reply to jdawg:

    Wow, he makes a solid case doesn't he? I never questioned Jays toughness, not even once but I did comment on several bad throws he made well before anyone realized he was injured. It makes sense now. What a tough son of bitch.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Does a sore left knee excuse overthrows though? I mean he was doing that all year and his knee was fine then. Problems with a throwing shoulder I get, but a wonky knee ....? We shouldn't even be referring to his toughness on a Bears blog. We watch the games. We know how tough he is. Peyton Manning is a pussy. But using the knee to explain away stuff isn't on.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    If it was his right knee, you'd be correct. But he was planting (when he DID plant) off of his left knee. And on the underthrown ball to end the half, he didn't drive off of that knee at all and the damn thing still traveled 38 yards.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Trust me, I know his mechanics suck, but one thing guaranteed to make his mechanics suck worse is to not be physically able to have good mechanics when you want to.
    Does that make sense?

  • In reply to jdawg:

    So he consistently threw accurate passes before Sunday?

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    He was a lot better before the injury, yes.

  • In reply to jdawg:

    Why is everyone off when I finally get a lot of free time from Calculus.

    Bring you lazy butts back, MB where is your dabearblog mobile at? Your usually on here 24/7, the superbowl doesn't matter at all. We hate both teams.. one has won it too many times and the other will be on here soon braging about how we haven't won one in forever.

    So.. get back here !!

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    Pittsburg ain't gonna give rogers any time to throw. Will be an interesting game.

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    Go study, Artoo.

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    Sigh, but I did all the hw twice! I will study tomm, I only have one class tomm.

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    remember....

    "Do or do not. There is no try."

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    I understand.

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    Doc, I think that's what some of us have been saying about Jay when it comes to his footwork and such.

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    What class is it anyway? Calculus? You gonna build football stadiums when you grow up?

  • In reply to mottystone:

    That would be a class called "Statics". Civils also take a "dirt" class...soils and the like. Calculus is just the foundation for any number of engineering/math/economics disciplines.

  • In reply to mikebdot:

    Those who do not learn calculus for calculus' sake, are bound to repeat it.

    Math is the end all. The crown jewel of human achievement. It can be used as a tool, true. But it stands above all other tools and things spawn from humans like the pyramids of Egypt. An interested onlooker is forced to awe in it's presence. It will simultaneously life one up to the heavens with the power it contains, and humble the greatest of persons....

    Sorry....was that out loud?

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    I don't think it is that pretty. I think it is more comforting than beautiful. There is always a pattern and always reason.

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    Not to labor the point on injury-gate, but it was suggested that Cutler couldn't take a cortisone shot because of his type-1 diabetes or he could have gone into anaphylactic shock. According to the University of California's site he would only have required more insulin if he took a cortisone shot:

    "Under normal circumstances, cortisol counterbalances the action of insulin. Under stress or if a synthetic cortisol is given as a medication (such as with prednisone therapy or cortisone injection), cortisol levels become elevated and you become insulin resistant. When you have Type 1 diabetes, this means your may need to take more insulin to keep your blood sugar under control."

    Now, guys have to protect their livelihoods, so no way would I say he should have played on. That's his knee, his call - I don't blame him one bit, he wasn't helping us anyway - but the arguments being made that he *couldn't* play on it are just bullshit. The body language he exhibited afterwards was more in line with being somewhere in between both sides of the arguments recently.

    Regardless, he didn't belong in there anyway - it would have been nice to see Hanie in there at #2 - the Collins thing was a giant cock-up and more fuel on the fire for any Fire-Lovie-campaign out there. The only thing he controls is roster order and game-time decisions, none of which it seems are working out for us.

    See QB order : Hanie should obviously have been #2.

    TE order : either Dez or preferably Kellen should have been on the field this year over Manu.

    WR order : Shabba instead of Knox on the outside, use Knox only to spell Hester.

    OL order : Asiata/Louis/Shaffer over 80% of the starters on that line. Omelette only starts because of his salary. Tice graded out Shaffer as our second best lineman behind Kreutz, Lovie over-ruled him.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    I do not agree on Shabba or the Oline. If they were that good they would have played.

    But, they did mess up on Hanie

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    Go back and look at Shabba's highlights and tell me we don't need that guy on the outside. Martz said he couldn't play the slot - but he's not a slot receiver. He did great on the outside. He's not playing because of Knox, and Knox isn't the guy you want running across field is he?

    Why does Tice rate Shaffer so high and then Webb starts? The knocks on Louis and Asiata was inexperience, not that they can't play, they'll be impressing people come training camp I hope, but it's hard to judge those guys until they're smacking people for real. I thought some of our best guys were left on the bench this year. Manu was only out there because of the cash they laid out for him. On merit he didn't deserve to be.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Those grades change all year and if I can find video, I'll show you why Shaffer was sitting.
    I think enough of Tice as an OL coach that I don't believe if Louis and Asiata were the best options this year that there is any earthly way they wouldn't have been worked into the lineup.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    iirc Shaffer was repeatedly beaten by the Giants's left DE.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Only Jay's doctor and Jay know the details of his tolerances and requirements for insulin. I would guess, from friends that are Type 1, that you don't play around with changing your dosing levels without very careful consideration and observation. Judging the right amount to offset the cortisol over the course of 20 minutes in the locker room is probably a little much to ask. And the consequences that were listed can happen. Risk vs. reward.

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    I think we're all in recovery mode at the moment.

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    I think you nailed in the first bullet. We lost to the fucking packers, after a couple packer fans came on here and cyber-raped us. We were all desperate for our Bears to shut them up, but now they are the ones with the eternal bragging rights.

  • In reply to brocklanders:

    And to make matters worse, we're gonna have to watch Raji's fatass doing the hula in the endzone for all eternity. 1000 times over the next two weeks, and two to three times per game for every Bears-Packers game over the next 10 years.

  • In reply to brocklanders:

    It was funny though. I mean he must have practiced that the cocky bastard.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Rodgers had the good sense to do a mini-belt after his rushing TD. He didn't want to get pulled into the stands and eaten alive.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    or was it because 54 and Co. were up in his shit all day long?

  • In reply to brocklanders:

    totally disagree. They beat us by 7. With our 3rd string QB. With what everyone on earth says is far, far, far more talent. With Aaron "walk on water" Rodgers. 7. Seven points. They beat a Calib Heine led Bears team by one TD and 12 got his "red hot" ass handed to him all day. After the Steelers smoke their asses by 24, what will they have to brag about? Hey, remember when we beat your 3rd string QB by 7? When our superstar QB threw 2 picks and sucked ass all day?
    fuck that. FUCK the fudgepackers.

  • In reply to animal:

    Thaaaaaaaaaaaaaaank yoooouuuuuuuuu!

  • In reply to animal:

    When you put it that way it does sound a little better.

  • In reply to animal:

    What about Jay jaunting with out a hirch to Crate and Barrel w/ his girl? Fuck blind optimism. I still question him:

    http://www.tmz.com/videos?autoplay=true&mediaKey=175c6892-0f52-472a-936e-d4edee7b6705

  • In reply to Crowned:

    Yeah, Crown. When I lived in Chicago for many years, I always walked around in a sleeveless shirt in January.

    Come On Man!!!

  • In reply to sjvl:

    He was in LA. Still though, you can walk around with a sprained MCL or even a torn ACL. That video doesn't prove anything to me.

  • In reply to jbenton:

    Why does it matter whether it's in LA, Chicago or Siberia JAB?

    Peppers fined 10 k for that perfectly legal hit to the shoulder. Now that was a bullshit call and fine.

  • In reply to Crowned:

    Looked pretty clear the hit was to the head. Not aiming there, but in the rule book it doesn't matter.

    At least he got his money's worth, from the look of it. Rodgers may actually have a concussion. He is insisting so loudly that he doesn't it makes you wonder.

  • In reply to BillW:

    I agree - that was a letter of the law situation. There's no room for intention.

  • In reply to Crowned:

    Peppers clearly hit the bottom-side of Rodger's helmet with his own. By the letter of the law, you have to make that call. I think the law is stupid. Peppers is a big, tall dude, and you could tell he was trying not to hit Rodgers, but the way that Rodger's turned at the last instant along with the trajectory of Peppers' body ensured contact. I wouldn't be surprised to see quarterbacks try to initiate some helmet-to-helmet contact on plays like this in the future, so as to get the call. It's not that unbelievable.

  • In reply to jj320:

    The paycheck would have to be pretty big for me to intentionally put my jaw in the way of Julius Peppers helmet at full speed.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Well, I agree that most QB's, in that situation, wouldn't do that. But I can easily see other situations arising where the hit is not as hard, or the player smaller, and the QB tries to make it look like it was helmet to helmet. But I could be wrong.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Would you for 15 yards in a big game?

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    Rodgers is lucky that shot didn't put him into early retirement.
    No, I would not let Peppers hit me in the head at full speed in exchange for 15 yards. I like being able to speak in complete sentences too much.

  • In reply to Crowned:

    Crown, I was responding to sjvl above mine. It doesn't matter where he was but do you want him to be going everywhere in a wheel chair? Is he not allowed in public? I guess I was questioning why you still doubt him. Is ti because he's out walking around?

  • In reply to jbenton:

    Looking back a the Peppers hit, i wish he had crowned him right in the side of the helmet. I don't believe it was intentional at all but BillW is correct when it comes to the rule book and the violence of the hit, it was almost sure to be a fine. This is a qb driven league and they have to protect their most valuable assets not that I agree with that logic.

  • In reply to jbenton:

    We could take up a DBB collection and put him in a Zip'r scooter for only $600 - they come with a basket on the front!
    Think of all the publicity for the blog...just mull it over, guys.

  • In reply to jbenton:

    Of course he's allowed in public. Because he's walking briskly without a hitch. Other reports have him easily climbing and skipping up stairs to his favorite LA resteraunt. If he can do this less than a week after the game w/o even wincing or being cautious, then I still question whether he just mentally folded and couldn't handle the heat. He has one of the best arms in the league. It's not like planting takes that much more force than climbing stairs if your only throwing intermediate and short routes. The fact he was diagnosed with a "tear" makes it sound really bad. I've made my feelings clear and will try to move on now. Obviously this is just my subjective conjecture based on my gut feeling. Trust me, I really hope I'm wrong and this has nothing to do with how he handles himself in pressure situations.

  • In reply to Crowned:

    +1

  • In reply to jbenton:

    Im interested in this draft coming up, We have actually good coaches who will put good insight in o who to get. Angelo should be asking each of the Coordinators, What do you need?

  • In reply to Grizzly559:

    This is how the conversation would go:
    Martz/Tice- We need o-lineman and receivers
    Mainelli/Lovie- We need cornerbacks and linebackers to take over in the future

    Angelo- Ok, so what you guys are telling me is that you want some defensive ends and tackles that I cold wait until the 4th round to get but I don't want to take any chances so I'll get them in round 1 and 2. Thanks for your input. Lets give you guys all an extension.

    At least that's how I see it going.

  • In reply to jbenton:

    Exacta-fucking-mundo JAB.

    Fucking so sad... yet so incredibly true.

  • In reply to jbenton:

    We need more TEs

  • In reply to mikebdot:

    +1!

  • In reply to jbenton:

    Don't forget Toub going "I need special teams guys..."
    Angelo decides the priority.

  • In reply to jbenton:

    Thanks, Jab. I was not aware it was LA. My comment speaks to when the video was made...

  • In reply to jbenton:

    Jeff - when are our Superbowl picks due? And could you list our prior picks so we know who is eligible and who's not?

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Yeah, has anyone else got Jennings for the superbowl ? Seems like a lot of people would have the same three players, no? There's only a few realistic combinations people could have ... what's the tie-break?

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    If we tie, we could do the "Irish Posse" show.
    Shit, half of the comments the last week have been you and I telling each other off anyway.

  • In reply to animal:

    is that video really of the last couple of days?

  • In reply to robclements36:

    It's been almost 80 down here in socal all week. So if he's in LA, yeah, totally.

  • In reply to robclements36:

    There is hope for the future.

    http://iknowjack.radio.com/2011/01/25/video-little-girl-cries-over-bears-loss/

    I hate the Packers.

  • In reply to JohnGalt:

    I fucking hate the packers...

    Man, can we call Weeescaaansin CPS on that father (and not just for the fucking horrid accent) for subjecting his sweet little (and obviously brilliant) girl to that? Man, what a dick... did you hear him at the end? What a fuckstick.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Does she say "Go Bears, Packer are Rednecks" at the end of that? If so that shit is awesome. The mom must be a Bears fan and married a guy who was clearly gay.

  • In reply to jbenton:

    Yeah JAB, that poor little girl will be one of the few from packerland that doesn't end up either a 300lb baby maker, or a dirty whore.

    GO LITTLE GIRL WITH TASTE, MORALS, INTELLIGENCE, & INSIGHT GO!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    MB-300 lb baby maker= classic. well done.

  • In reply to jbenton:

    Hahaha! I saw that one yesterday Willie. Almost posted it on here. I'm pretty sure she says packers are rednecks at the end. Very observant young girl. Go D.Rose! Can't wait til Jo comes back!

  • In reply to Crowned:

    Crown, how's the new gig.... and the new ball and chain going?

    You guys picking out fucking china yet? Oh, and pick out that nice red espresso maker man, cause you're going to get fucking 4 of them.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Ha!! No, my man. It's not going down for like a year a half or something. She's a teacher and wants to plan it during the summer. All I care about is having a sick brass band for everyone to get down to. Hopefully, her and her mom take care of the rest bro.

  • In reply to Crowned:

    Hahahahahaha... ahhh, I remember what it was like before I knew what it is like.

    Enjoy the utter bliss of ignorance... until summer that is my man. That's when you start getting the feeling... 'oh, shit. It's not going to be like this is it? Naaaawwwww, no way

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I'm a shegetz with a shiksa. We're both thinking of converting.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    nice.

    I thought of crown when I saw this: http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/blog/the_dagger/post/Catching-up-with-Tamir-Goodman-aka-The-Jewish-?urn=ncaab-313307

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    The original Jewish Jordan was Sam Jacobsen at the U of Minny...except that he wasn't jewish. Minor detail.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    So I have one for you all... Toub.

    Does anyone else besides me kind of feel like his mojo has seriously gone downhill since '06? I mean without #23, do we say anything but, 'fuck, overall our specials kinda sucked this year?' Anyone? Anyone?

    Yeah, me neither.

    Someone mentioned earlier that we may lose Toub this year, my thought is... I think we already have.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Nah, Maynard has been subpar on the whole and I think the return unit slowed down a little towards the end of the year...but our coverage was good to great consistently.
    Next year, we may start the Rich McGee experiment.
    Devin's return for the record that night at TCF? That was all blocking. They'd been punting directionally all game to avoid DH and when one finally stayed in bounds, it was perfection.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    After seeing what GB's first year punter did to us this year, it does make you look at your own punter.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    +5

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Idk what is more corrupt, NCAA or NFL.

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    Have to go with NCAA. At least the NFL pays their players.

  • In reply to jbenton:

    You mean pays them above, rather than under, the table.

  • In reply to jbenton:

    +1. no contest. At least NFL players have somebody representing them.

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    I have to say, all the crap with Reggie/Cam and the Ohio State players has pushed me further away from the NCAA than I was before.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Question for MB, Irish, and others who want Angelo gone (I'm on the fence teetering towards the other side). What, if anything, would have to happen in the draft or the offseason, for Angelo to swing back in your favor? Or is it impossible at this point?

    Also, I'm going through a bit of an identity crisis today. Found out I'm no longer an Aries. All of the sudden, I'm a Pisces. Seriously, I could give a fuck less really, but what the hell? You can't just go changing signs on people? All the sudden, now I'm NOT compatible with my wife? Great. Just great. And instead of being a leader I'm supposed to just sink back in the shadows? How am I supposed to do that? Shit.

    This is what I was:

    Adventurous and energetic
    Pioneering and courageous
    Enthusiastic and confident
    Dynamic and quick-witted
    Selfish and quick-tempered
    Impulsive and impatient
    Foolhardy and daredevil

    This is what they tell me I am now:

    Imaginative and sensitive
    Compassionate and kind
    Selfless and unworldly
    Intuitive and sympathetic
    Escapist and idealistic
    Secretive and vague
    Weak-willed and easily led

    WTF?

    I mean. I'm okay with being selfish and quick tempered. But I'll be damned if I'm weak willed and easily led.

    Seriously though. I could give two shits less about the horoscope. But did you guys hear about this?

    http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/dpp/news/new-zodiac-sign-chart-ophiuchus-jan-13-2011

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    Changing the zodiac? And Pluto's not a planet anymore - they don't mention that ... don't planets come into all that ?

    Anyway.

    Re Angelo - the guy has been killing us for years. A good draft this year doesn't make up for the overall cost of years of messing up. Thing is, there's no way they fire him and pay his contract out and then hire a new guy. That's tens of millions they don't need to spend. Win/lose they make the same cash year in year out. He's already the reason outr line is the way it is, so even if it gets better for next year, he's already frakked up. If he puts in a good year it doesn't excuse the previous seven. I'm still livid about the Starks thing. I'd love to see a list of the bullshit things he's done - anyone have one by the way? Cor, was it you who said you had something like that?

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    Just for fun... what would trade in this year's draft to get the Titan's 2012 first rounder?

    If we don't see the right O-Line guy at #30, I'd trade our first and third for their second and fourth (or even fifth) and the 2012 first rounder.

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    Who are you leaders?

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Only two, and only by inspiration.

    Walter Payton

    and

    The Dude.

  • In reply to Crowned:

    Not to turn this into a Bulls forum but did you see D Rose had to undergo a procedure for 2 ulcers. Hopefully that doesn't become an issue. That dude's the real deal.

  • In reply to jbenton:

    You look pretty young in your avatar JAB, sure your mommy and daddy are ok with you posting here?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I play by my own rules MB. Nobodys going to tell me where I can and cannot post That's my oldest boy at the Bears/Eagles game.

  • In reply to jbenton:

    Ha

  • In reply to jbenton:

    Saw that JAB. He certainly is the real deal. It's from all that damn candy he likes eating. I'd rather have that than him getting DUIs and having affairs. Thibs made it sound pretty minor though.

  • In reply to Crowned:

    Yeah, that's what i read. No shit about the candy. I guess he eats Skittles like they're going to discontinue them or something. It's nice having a basketball star in this town again and it makes him even better that he's not one of these thugs.

  • In reply to jbenton:

    +1. We've been lucky in Chi with that.

  • In reply to Crowned:

    Derrick has provided a new lease on life for me. I'm a point guard by stature, and his game is my type of game. Drive to the whole, jump up in the air, and make some ridiculous moves to get past the big guys... Fucking. Love. It.

    Got his new shoes. Placebo effect makes me about 3x faster.

    Noah, I hated in college, but that cat is the under-talented, stoner mascot.

    Boozer - what a fucking name. I'm getting that jersey next. That's quite a well manicured beard for such a scary dude.

    Everybody on that team is fucking awesome. Even Bilbo Bogans wackness makes him a favorite of mine. Love rooting for him to actually make a shot.

    Sorry to wax Bulls on DBB, but I haven't loved a bball squad like this since the days of J.

    Derrick Rose for MVP/president/1st astronaut on the moon/American Idol/country artist of the year! If it has a plaque, it belongs to DRose.

  • In reply to JohnGalt:

    Nice fucking work turning this sanctum into a fucking basketball discussion.

    Basketball...

  • In reply to JohnGalt:

    Fine... here: http://www.uncrate.com/men/style/shoes/air-jordan-2011/

  • In reply to JohnGalt:

    This asshole has us taking the 3rd OL in the draft: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/don_banks/01/27/2011-nfl-mock-draft/index.html?eref=sihp

    Vikes and Lions get first OL pick.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    No way only two teams go OT before it falls to us. There are way too many teams with high priced QB prospects and rickity lines. Scouts are thinking teams will wait till later rounds because there's depth at the position, but I bet a couple of OTs go higher than expected and then everybody piles on after that.

  • In reply to JohnGalt:

    Awesome (especailly the farve hits in the begining). Ejnoy: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-films-presents/09000d5d81ded784/Wired-up

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    oh, and course cutty... Classic

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I like the Tomlin / Big Ben exchange too.

  • In reply to JohnGalt:

    Nice to see the Bulls doing well. Makes me almost wish I gave a damn about the NBA.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    D. Rose gives me MJ like tingles. You can put Hester in that category also.

  • In reply to JohnGalt:

    To all the fudge trolls, THIS immense douchebag... is your hero: http://slumz.boxden.com/f16/packers-put-finishing-touches-jinxing-themselves-1415544/

  • In reply to jbenton:

    So I know we've gone over the whole Albert Haynesworth deal on this forum but I'm interested in seeing where everyone stands again. What if he was available for a 4 rounder or so. would anyone be interested in picking him up? I know he's had his problems in Washington but I'd like to think the one thing Lovie has over very good coaches is how he deals with his players. They all seem to love him. I think given the chance Lovie would have a calming influence on Albert. Anyone?

  • In reply to jbenton:

    First of all, his behavior has NOTHING to do with coaching, it has EVERYTHING to do with albert getting exactly what he wants how he wants it.

    I get the allure, I really do, but no thanks to a bigger, lazier Butter Harris. And god forbid we take away from Jerry Angelo what all of you think he does well, draft medeocre players in the later rounds. Whoopdee-fucken-do. I guess the strategy of wasting the pick on a known entity rather than an unknown entity has it's points.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I used points instead of merits on purpose btw...

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I think Mr. Haynesworth was fast becoming universally reviled by his Redskin teammates. Can't see too many teams pursuing THAT for their locker rooms.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Crown, how about playing this at your wedding my brutha: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0_2vmkTmf0

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    MB, badass find there. That was amazing.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    This is more apropos to the previous thread but...

    Much as I would LOVE to see this team mirror the 1984 Bears, my fear is that could also channel the 13-3, 2001 Bears which, alas, begat not only the 4-12, 2002 Bears, but a contract extension for one of our 'favorite' head coaches, Dick Jawrong.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Looking at the draft that year...boy, did it suck. Not just for the Bears, but it sucked top to bottom.
    That was also the infamous lost year in Champaign (saw one game there but it is a blur now...probably for the best).

  • In reply to jbenton:

    I wouldn't be opposed to it if there is very little risk. If the Bears have to pay him a fortune, forget it. I'm not sure how his contract is structured. If there are still some huge bonuses due, forget it. That's the bad thing about trading for him. The contract would still be valid. If Wash. cuts him loose, it's whatever the market will bear.

  • In reply to jbenton:

    Giant tool.

  • In reply to jbenton:

    "Coaching Cotinuity..." Couldn't agree more.

    Wondered if Martz might look attractive as somebody's head man but all he openings (SF, Minn, Denver, Carolina) have been filled, no?

    As for Rosenbloom, well, like driving, writing columns is anoher thing you shouldn't do if you're drinking.

  • In reply to jbenton:

    "Coaching Continuity.."

    Couldn't agree more, Blogfather.I WAS a bit concerned that Martz might look attractive to one of the teams looking for a new head coach the prospective openings have been pretty much filled, no?

    As for Rosenbloom, well, writing columns, like driving, is just something else you shouldn't do while drinking.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Rosenbloom wasn't wrong to have a go at Martz, he deserves it. I wouldn't cry a bucket of tears if Martz was signed elsewhere - he didn't adapt his scheme to the roster available. Now, firing Martz doesn't help us in the short term, and the short term is as far as we can see. Making Tice the OC was an incredible drinking and writing statement.

  • In reply to jbenton:

    Don't want him. Nope.
    Give him a brain transplant - sure.

  • In reply to jbenton:

    I'd rate an O-lineman or a big pro receiver as a bigger need if we're dealing draft picks. Didn't we give up our 4th for Unga?

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    7th I think.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Supplemental draft details
    http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/07/the-dollars-and-sense-of-bears-signing-unga.html

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    I can't keep up with you guys on the draft discussions. I shun college football as much as humanly possible, living so near Penn State and all. It drives me nuts.

  • In reply to sjvl:

    I'm with you; unfortunately, I live in a state that lives and breathes college football (the Huskers) and really the NFL is an afterthought here.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Were you born in Illinois? How did you begin following this great team we call the Bears?

  • In reply to jbenton:

    I am a natural born Chicagoan, who is now cast adrift in Pennsylvania (long story). I livedd in the city until 1990. I am happy with my son's educational opportunities here, but when he is grown, I am going back (at least for months at a time). I miss home every day.

  • In reply to jbenton:

    My family is from Illinois and my mother's side of the family has been there since early 20th twentieth century. I lived in Aurora for a few years in my youth. They now live downstate and I've lived all over the midwest (Detroit is actually my hometown) but Chicago has always felt like home.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Mom's side of the family emigrated to Chicago around 1914. Tough sledding for Germans.

  • In reply to sjvl:

    Yeah, I have a small issue with college football as it pretty much falls exclusively on Saturdays. And I can't keep up with all of the players in the NFL, let alone college where the stars at 100+ schools only stick around for 4 seasons if you're lucky.

  • In reply to jbenton:

    Does he eat the purple ones though? I left a trail of skittle bags with six purple skittles left in 'em everywhere I went. Nasty shit right there.

  • In reply to JohnGalt:

    I'm finding that girl, and hookin' up my boy with her. That girl's all class.

  • In reply to robclements36:

    http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=wojciechowski_gene&page=wojciechowski/110127&sportCat=nfl

    Aforementioned jay cutler rallying cry

  • In reply to animal:

    The third string argument doesn't really make sense to me. considering the packers beat the shit out of our 1st string, multi-million dollar QB. When the chips were even in the 1st half, they beat the shit out of the bears. Caleb Hanie played a great game, but their defense wasn't prepped for him and they were playing prevent there at the end of the game.

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    Yep. 1000% yep.

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    Jeff
    Your analysis of the coaching staff is spot on.
    Do you think the treatment of Jay Cutler and this team as a whole will become a rallying cry next year? I can see this squad playing real angry all year long to avenge themselves.

    On the video, which was excellent. I don't necessarily agree with the assessment of the exact point in time where Cutler injured his knee. Regardless he was injured well before he walked off the field just before half. I remember thinking it was really strange that he was walking into the locker room at that point. The bad attitude and reporting started right then. The way he was treated during the game was really irresponsible. But Troy and Joe were too busy slurping on Aaron Rodgers to care. I remember at one point (sometime in the 3rd) they flashed up a graphic on Aaron Rodgers that showed he was at a 65 Qb rating for the game to that point. It happened right as Aikman was trying to say how good of a game Rodgers was having.

  • In reply to buckbear:

    I think another year in this system will be the medicine they need to win it all next year buck. We may even have a top 10 offense to go along with our defense if Jerry can make some shrewd moves in the off season. I definitely believe that Jerry won't back now and I expect some very aggressive signings in the free agent market. GM's have to take what they can get and last years free agent pool was very shallow. Don't be surprised if the Bears lead the league in time of possession and red zone efficiency next year.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Jerry won't back off

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    We'll never lead the lead in time of possession with Mike Martz. No way.

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    Doc, my money is on the running game with a smart passing attack. The shots down field will come but this team has nowhere near the talent on the roster needed to implement the greatest show on turf part 2. Martz finally realized this at the bye week. It takes 3, 4 years to assemble the kind of roster needed to accomplish that. Not all our holes are in the line.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Well yeah, that's what SHOULD happen. But this is Mike Martz we're talking about. He had FRANK GORE and relied on Alex Smith or whoever the fuck his quarterback was then. Aint gonna happen, as much as I'd like it to. Forte looked like a damn good back the last 10 games of the season or so. Or basically, when they started using him more. I actually took that as maybe the biggest positive from this season. Renewed faith in Forte. And Urlacher. Man he had a great season. Damn fine season. Happy to see it.

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    +1000, especially on the Urlacher thing. I would *love* to see a couple more well-deserved (as this year's was) Pro Bowls for him before he retires to join the lineage of Bears MLBs in football Valhalla.

    A couple of other things that stood out particularlt for me were the significant improvement Greg Olsen's blocking and the realization that Earl Bennett is THE MAN in the Bears receiving corps.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Well never lead the league in time of possession with Mike Martz. No way.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/assets_c/2011/01/Obama%20jersey-104919.html

    Goddammit. It's fucking shit like this. This is the kind of shit I was talking about. In some respects it would have been better to lose to seattle.

  • In reply to brocklanders:

    If our President dons a Cheesehead, I will never forgive him for it.

    Not too worried, they're not going to win the SB, but I'm just saying...

  • In reply to brocklanders:

    Fucking Commie

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Isn't he really good friends with the Rooneys? Or am I totally fucking that up... too lazy to google.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I think he is also a steelers fan. Remember when Pitt played arizona in the superbowl right after the presidential election and it was obama and the steelers and mccain/cardinals

  • In reply to brocklanders:

    Gee, a politician with more than one favorite team. Imagine that.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Ha!

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    btw..what is jeff's email again?

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    jeff @ dabearsblog dot com or dabears @ dabearsblog dot com. It's in the About Us section.

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    ok, let me set this up:

    Jason Whitlock (reporter for foxsports.com and professional windbag) wrote a column about Cutler, comparing him to Lebron (in how he "quit Cleveland), saying that Jay quit on the Bears (it may have been posted on here before):

    http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/why-jay-cutler-quitting-on-chicago-bears-makes-us-so-livid-012411

    so he called into the Boers & Bernstein show and got his ass ROASTED!!!!! listen to it all:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_WRqETKCp0&feature=player_embedded (part 1)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOA2Gz225i8&feature=player_embedded (part 2)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRPMYrlTnX8&feature=player_embedded (part 3)

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    ok, let me set this up:

    Jason Whitlock (reporter for foxsports.com and professional windbag) wrote a column about Cutler, comparing him to Lebron (in how he "quit Cleveland), saying that Jay quit on the Bears (it may have been posted on here before):

    http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/why-jay-cutler-quitting-on-chicago-bears-makes-us-so-livid-012411

    so he called into the Boers & Bernstein show and got his ass ROASTED!!!!! listen to it all:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_WRqETKCp0&feature=player_embedded (part 1)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOA2Gz225i8&feature=player_embedded (part 2)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRPMYrlTnX8&feature=player_embedded (part 3)

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    ok, let me set this up:

    Jason Whitlock (reporter for foxsports.com and professional windbag) wrote a column about Cutler, comparing him to Lebron (in how he "quit Cleveland), saying that Jay quit on the Bears (it may have been posted on here before):

    http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/why-jay-cutler-quitting-on-chicago-bears-makes-us-so-livid-012411

    so he called into the Boers & Bernstein show and got his ass ROASTED!!!!! listen to it all:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_WRqETKCp0&feature=player_embedded (part 1)

    parts 2 and 3 are in the description (tried to post them on here, but said "post has to be cleared by admin" mumbo-jumbo). worth a listen to...not a big fan of B&B, but they knocked Whitlock's punk ass down a few notches.

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    Haha Holy Shit, I'm only to part two of this but it's already glorious, thanks so much for posting.

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    LOVE that shit FQ.

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    Good post FQ. I listen to B&B once in awile but they can be assbags. This time I really enjoyed them. Did you hear the part where Whitlock talks about playing on a blown ACL all year at Ball State. I hate when people compare their injuries to others, especially when he's comparing a college career to a pro's, especially when Cutler was mangled all year long. It irritated me when he wouldn't at all back off his comments and said "I'm prouder of the article today than when I wrote it". What an ass clown. Can't admit he made a bad call and wrote a shitty article.

  • In reply to jbenton:

    If there were ever the definition of 'ass clown', this guy is it. I enjoyed listening to him squirm.

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    I said this before, the first line of Whitlock's "column" explains it all. He's try to deflect the heat he's been taking over dissing LeBron.

    Apparently, Random Drug Testing is not policy at foxsports.com or the Chicago Tribune.

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    I listen to The Score alot from my phone, when working. I heard this piece the other day. I tried calling in cause I wanted to thank them for setting this guy str8.

  • In reply to brocklanders:

    Whatever gets the votes.

  • In reply to brocklanders:

    Taking a look a little deeper on the Bears coaching staff. Does anybody know anything about Shane Day (QB coach)? I have to wonder who was involved in the consistent under-rating of Kyle Orton and now Caleb Hanie. Both were quality backups playing 3rd string behind an inferior #2. In Orton's case, he was playing behind an inferior #1 as well. This guy has been in Chicago since 2006 - QB coach is a premier position on other teams, should we be looking at a change in his spot?

    Nice thing about changing QB coach (or some of the other position coaches) is that you can sometimes land a guy like Mike Tice who really brings the best out of a player, but you don't disrupt the offensive system the way getting rid of Martz would do. You don't change the culture the way getting rid of Lovie would do. I'm not saying we should fire Lovie or Martz, but something should be done differently with the QB position.

  • In reply to mottystone:

    I could ask similar questions about some of the other position coaches as well, but QB coach is kind of a big one especially given the criticism of Cutler's mechanics and reads.

    Probably my #2 would be WR. We have a lot of bad routes from the recievers, although continuity in my mind will be the thing that best addresses that.

  • In reply to mottystone:

    I think Pep Hamilton had the job up until this year or last year. I would hope Martz would bring in someone he trusts that would prepare the qb the way he would. In fact I'd be surprised if Martz wasn't doing the work of the qb coach himself.

  • In reply to jbenton:

    Looks like Shane started in 2010, so he may very well be a Martz hire. Still, I have to wonder f a stronger voice (like Tice) would help.

    Jim Zorn getting fired is what got me thinking. I don't know much about Zorn and I doubt having another former head coach (losing head coach) is a great plan, but we definitely need an effective staff in place to develop both Cutler and Hanie and to help scout for the next rookie prospect we draft.

  • In reply to mottystone:

    I definitely don't have a problem bringing in experience. I'm not sure what Zorns background is. The losing head coach thing doesn't bother me. There are plenty of great coordinators that failed as head coaches. The more voices guiding Angelo in the right direction as far as talent evaluation(especially on offense) the better in my opinion.

  • In reply to jbenton:

    Not about the losing record really for me either. But too many head coaches created a tense situation. Tice and Martz apparently already have some tension between them - a QB coach with that problem could create a real issue with the offense. I don't know that Zorn is so much easier to work with (really, I don't know much about him).

    What I do know is that nobody is talking about how much Cutler improved as the year progressed, and everyone is talking about how horrible Todd Collins looked when he got to take over for Jay twice. The line, on the other hand, gets nothing but compliments on improvement throughout the year.

  • In reply to brocklanders:

    Saw an interesting video yesterday on Obama. Ignore the title, it's a good watch.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBA3DbvqjYo

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Discussed this ad nauseum, but...

    "if Jerry can make some shrewd moves in the off season"

    When have you EVER seen this type of event happen Trac? Lucky... yes. Spend tons of money on no-shit moves... yes.

    Shrewd moves? You mean like The pats?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Obviously I disagree MB. Jerry now has Tice and Martz who WILL crawl up his ass on upcoming decisions if he reverts back to his old ways. Last year the bulk of the draft picks and money was used to improve our Defense, this year will be the offenses turn.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    I hope so trac... for all of our sake.

    But isn't that an indictment of Jerry's worth anyway? Let's just save the money and let those guys do the drafting and FAing. I keeed, but you get my point.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    You know MB, sometimes I think Chemistry has a lot to do with it.

    Lovie, Babich, Turner & Jerry
    vs.
    Lovie, Martz, Tice, Nelly & Jerry.

    Get the picture?

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Worries me that they signed Eddie Williams, meaning both Unga and Tofu-boy could be gone, I thought they could be exciting to have.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Running backs need healthy legs, didn't tofu and unga sustain serious leg injuries?

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Whats your obssesion with unga bunga?

  • In reply to MASOCHR:

    If he panned out, what a cool jersey.

  • In reply to buckbear:

    did you check out the block Cutler made in that video?

  • In reply to jdawg:

    I've been raving about it since the game ended. He blew that OLB up.
    I have to shut up about it now.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    No. Keep it fresh in everyone's mind. It's important.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Agree. Martz does need to stay. I know he is Mike Martz, but this is his first season. He hasnt put this offense together yet, and they are still learning his system. To bring another OC in would set this team farther back. We move forward from this.

    I say we draft two OL. We need a RG, and a LT. Resign Kreutz. Oline Done. Draft LB, CB, DT.

  • In reply to Grizzly559:

    You know, we actually need a whole new line, except for "Irish don't kill me" Web. I think the kid did great for a rookie and could build up on that and become even better.

    Everywhere else, we should add to. Olin will not last next year or after that year. Why not draft his heir now?

    Same for Urlacher, Tillman, and get something in for a DT.

    Wideout? WE cannot let us try to develop one because seriously.. how many times has it worked for us.

    Get me someone who will catch the jump balls, slants, and what a receiver is suppose to do. Catch.

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    Looks like Shabba is done with the Bears. Damn.

    http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2011/01/aromashodu-odd-man-out-in-martzs-offense.html

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    I think we need to re-sign Olin but only for 1-2 years. Then we draft a center in round 4-5. If not we're stuck either going after one in FA or having a rookie start which doesn't sound too appealing. As much as Olin's declined I doubt a rookies going to come in and do any better.

  • In reply to Grizzly559:

    Irish was wondering how teams like Pittsburg continue to get the big dance. Here's you answer.

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/01/26/lebeau-if-im-coaching-it-will-be-the-pittsburgh-steelers/

    Trust me, it ain't about big Ben. They went 3-1 without him when he was suspended. Chicago needs a lebeau.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    it might be Marinelli. i don't think this defensive year was a fluke....we'll see tho

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    Fq, great minds think alike. See

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    Urlacher and Peppers weren't playing last year. I love me some Marinelli, but it's the same system - I think he just holds people accountable e.g. loafs.

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    All I'm hoping ladies and gents..is as of today all our coaches and scouts are looking for draft picks, FA, Waivers I don't give a shit. I want them hungry and fucking every hole they can. I hope this year was makes them hungrier than last year..every coach including LDL need to grab the bull by the horns and start rocking NOW! We have work to do..

    Fuck the Pro Bowl
    Fuck the Super Bowl

    Time for us to focus RIGHT NOW!!! on getting our team to bitch slap the rest of the NFL so we can be at the Big Dance next year

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Hmm... You could say we have one.

    You do realize that Lebeau was a horrible head coach and was fired before becoming the Steelers defensive coordinator .

    Same thing happened with Rod.

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    He definitely fits the mold.

  • In reply to Grizzly559:

    Sounds about spot on Fres. But with Angelo, who knows ...

  • In reply to Grizzly559:

    I say OL, OL, OL, OL, CB, LB, DT.

    The offensive line is the most important thing in football, by about (#)16 miles.

    See how I did that, LOL, GO BEARS LOL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • In reply to Mastodon:

    We did that in 2002 and ended up with nothing once Colombo went kablooey.

  • In reply to Mastodon:

    We did that in 2002 and ended up with nothing once Colombo went kablooey.

  • In reply to jdawg:

    First of all, awesome block by Cutty. I freaking love that in a quarterback. But here's the problem I have with it. After Cutler handed the ball off, he's no contact as far as the defense is concerned, unless there's a turnover. Yet he can just turn and level some fool. Doesn't seem right to me. Not the hit, but the double standard.

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    Without the ball, he's just another blocker.
    I get what you're saying but the league will not be letting up on protecting the QB any time soon.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Walden is likely not going to practice this week after getting hurt on the play.

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    Actually Doc, after the initial knee jerk reaction to the loss by some on da blog, I think everything has pretty much tapered back down to a reasonable discussion for the most part. This is an emotional game and a lot of people display their emotions quite differently. I think the ebbs and flo of emotions on here is one of the things that makes this blog quite interesting. I am disappointed the Bears lost just as much as the next guy but I understand why we lost. Having said that, I have to admit that I didn't have near as much vested emotionally this year as say the year we went to the Super Bowl. After seeing our team struggle in several games this year, I had already made the decision that though the Bears were great at times, and though things seemed wide open from a competition stand point, my gut told me that the Bears were damn fortunate to be hosting the Championship game considering everything that took place during the off season. I really never felt they made the kinda statement on the field this year that as a fan, I could say they ended up in the spot they found themselves in by being able to host the Championship game in Soldier Field because they took it. Lets face it, Green Bay gifted us the top seed. I do however take a lot of comfort in the fact that Sunday's game was very winnable even though we didn't get the climactic game we were all hoping for. I for one am encouraged that this team is going in the right direction and I believe way more than I have in a long time that next year will be even better(and you know what that means). I think you will realize after time that most of us here on the blog know that and I don't sense anything near what went on the blog after last years season.

    Cheep up pal and GO BEARS.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Cheer up pal.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Point taken, Trac. The only thing I'll say about your gut is, aside from the few dynasties (Dallas in the 90's, SF in the 80's, NE in the last decade, Pitt in the 70's, the vast majority of Superbowl champs got there because they were relatively healthy, their division opponents were crappy, more injured, or slightly worse, they got a few lucky bounces along the way, or any number of factors. Very rarely do we see a team that we all KNOW should be world champions. Very, very rarely. So who cares about all that other shit. We, as Bill Parcells once said, were as good as our record. We had just as much claim as GB or any other team.

    It'll be a long time before I cheer up over this one. But reading all the negativity about Jay and the coaches, just pisses me off right now. Again, I'll go into why into greater detail at a later time, but basically, we need to appreciate the season we had and we need to quit being so goddamn all or nothing. I remember in the late 80's it seemed that every year, the Super Bowl champion was the loser of the previous seasons NFC championship. We took a major step this season. Can we please try not to overreact?

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    We all KNEW the 2007 Pats should have been SB champs and they frigging lost...to give even more emphasis to your argument.
    Hell, the Pats -this year- were supposed to blow through the AFC playoffs without a scratch. Whoops.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I thought the Pats were a shoe-in. I don't get the Jets. Jekyll and Hyde like us?

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Pittsburgh is built to grind down a speed defense like the Jets...and their D is still phenomenal. Don't ask me how the Jets beat up on New England in the playoffs. I still don't understand that one after the 45-3 game. Nope.

    And really, the Jets exhaled after the Pats game...and I think to some degree, the same thing happened to the Bears in the first quarter this weekend.
    Emotions were running high against the Seahawks...and then -flat-.

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    I'm not seeing much negativity about Jay here. I'm seeing a reasonable discussion about his merits as a QB, and a near-universal rejection of this "lacks toughness" bullshit.

    As far as the coaches... well, they all have their pluses and minuses. But, yeah, I'm feeling pretty damn negative about whichever clown decided to put Todd Collins in the game. The responsibility of a coach, especially in a playoff game, is to make whatever decisions necessary to put the team in a position to win. Anyone who saw Todd Collins throw a single pass this knew we had absolutely 0% chance of winning with him in the game. The dude sucks donkey balls. Every single Bears fan knew it. How is it that people whose job it is to know it - who are getting paid millions of dollars - couldn't figure that out? How can we trust those people not to blow the next tight playoff game we're in?

  • In reply to Ufficio:

    I'm referring the over 1000 posts I've read on here since gameday. I read every single one. I certainly understand the high emotions. I do. I just hope that we can all cool down enough to take some enjoyment away from this season. It was so much better than last. I want the offseason talk on here to reflect that. That's all.

    3 months til the draft.

    If there is one.

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    A draft will still happen no matter what, teams just can't sign players until a new CBA is in place

  • In reply to pongjinn:

    We're being invaded by Ewoks. Great.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Ewoks have proven to be very valuable allies. Just sayin'.

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    This one in particular seems a little too intelligent. I'm surprised he can use a keyboard, much less critique the cultural usages of the term "hadji".
    Maybe he's a lab Ewok.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I'm basically this guy right here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kx5y3-zh8KA

  • In reply to pongjinn:

    Were you born when that movie came out?

  • In reply to pongjinn:

    Im sorry Jay.

  • In reply to pongjinn:

    Evidently, Jay and Matt are so raring to go that they're already at the team facility, working out.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0qVUn4797g&feature=related

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    lol

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Good footage, but unfortunately it does not include Cutler practicing his "Forest Whitaker Eye" pregame. I believe this may also show us when exactly Cutler initially injured his knee.

  • In reply to pongjinn:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-hUus42NTY&feature=player_detailpage#t=10s

  • In reply to pongjinn:

    The Forest Whitaker eye...I gotta practice that.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    So which one is Cutler?

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Look on the bright side, you could be getting invaded by Gungans.

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    While I've been reading the blog non-stop since Sunday, this is the first time I've had the heart to post since I went on a Cutler rant Sunday night. All I have to say at this point is "I'm sorry Jay." Everybody reacts differently to certain situations. The questioning of Jay's toughness, and therefore his character, at this point is absurd. It was a great season, for an over-achieving team that felt destined for greatness.

    Damn, that hurt.....I just watched Obama accept a Packer jersey when he stepped off the plane in Wisconsin. Ouch.

    I expect a great off-season, and would hope that the coaching staff is kept whole and intact. I am looking forward to the draft, hoping we find a gem at OL, WR or S at the 29th pick. I think the team rallies around the disrespect shown to Cutler, and look for double-digit wins and another crack at this thing next year.

    Great job to those on da blog, both regulars and newcomers, that have done such a good job over the past few days to focus on the positives as opposed to staying so negative over Sunday's game. It took me some time, but I'm coming around. Bear Down.

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    The only 'Perfect' team was the 1972 Dolphins.

  • In reply to sjvl:

    Holy shit sj...

    FUUUUUUCK the '72 dolphins.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    .... in the face.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Of course, MB, that wasn't my point.

    The point is that I was having trouble reading posts that were ripping the team to shreds - I actually thought the Bears did really well this year - nothing to be ashamed of at all. They weren't perfect but they went almost all the way.

  • In reply to sjvl:

    I've decided that I want to make millions of dollars to make obvious moves that die hard fans see from a mile off. I can take the pressure, I can take the criticism, and I can even stand up and say that I was wrong.

    So, with that said, please give me the ball (and the money) and I will run with it (see how I did that doc?).

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    not really.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I know this isn't Jerry's M.O., but it would be cool if he traded up and grabbed the best O-lineman on the board. We have our full docket of picks this year.

    A girl can dream.

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    I don't think we have to. There seems to be a lot of talent so far in that area. Now, will he draft them is what I don't think is going to happen.

    I wish we had more picks because there seems to be a lot of talent Off and Def.

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    You're right - the draft this year is supposed to be talent heavy at the offensive and defensive line positions. Not alot of first-round WRs, LBs, or defensive backfield from what I've seen (which isn't much yet).

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Actually looks like a great year for Angelo to be honest. The draft has a lot of talent at offensive line, but not all of it is first round talent - Angelo has the opportunity to pick up some finds.

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    Scary Doc, Williams was the 3rd best, we drafted him, showed promise, then regressed, then made DBB's mad at JA.

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    But we weren't as good as our record Doc. Clearly not. The Packers had a worse record than us and pissed on our dinner in our own house. We only had to beat a 7-9 team to make the NFC title game.

    You're right though, we took a step on from last season, and next year - if healthy, and how huge is that 'if' - we could reasonably go further. The Packers will also be better though, applying the same logic. The Lions too.

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    I haven't heard any constructive response from you Doc. Just "I hate haters" - which is merely hypocrisy. I haven't seen anyone on here hating on Cutler. There were a few people in the heat of the moment during the game who couldn't fathom an apparently healthy-ish Cutler chilling on the sideline having thrown the towel in, but that's all cleared up now.

    Nobody's hating on Cutler. Questioning his progress as a QB after 27 years of life is not hating, it's reasoned debate about the massive investment in him, versus Orton & the guys we would have drafted instead. You have yet to offer critical ripostes to the following :

    His inaccurracy - lifelong affliction.
    Bad decision making - lifelong affliction.
    QB smarts/ reading defenses/adjusting - lifelong affliction.
    Mental approach to the game ...

    You're a smart guy Doc, I'm interested to hear what you think about those things going forward. Why do these things change in the future, when he has shown no signs of being willing to change?

    No one's saying run him out of town. He's not Rex. Rex sucked. Rex had no potential, I saw nothing in Rex except a big kid who just didn't have the stuff in him. Cutler has something in him - it's in there - but he has to come a lot further along mentally before he gets mentioned in the same breath as any of the QBs we mentioned yesterday. And that's the worrying part - he's no rookie anymore, leopards don't change their spots, the time for "Well, he's young, give him time .." is kind of at an end. By this point, Brady had won three SBs (I know, good roster yada yada - but would they have won three without him? Maybe), even McMahon had one in his fourth. I'm not saying you need to win a SB within five years to be The Guy, but there are no questions over you then, and about your ability to do the job. Cutler has already had the line and the receivers in Denver - yet not one winning season. Now he has the defense, and we got to the NFC title match. But that's the moment The Guy has to stand up and show the way - and that didn't happen, and that's why some of us are worried.

    I loved the guy, adored him, it significantly brightened up my life to know/think that the Bears finally had The One. I was a very staunch defender of his throughout his toughest year last year, I saw the upside. I saw the line he had and the receivers(I only really rated Shabba out of them all, but am a Bennett fan now). There were excuses. But how long do you make excuses before you finally say "Show me the money." If there are fans content with making the playoffs and buying their division championship hats then knock yourself out, but this isn't Cleveland, it's Chicago, and mediocrity - i.e. never winning a Lombardi - will never be okay for some of us

    This isn't really sounding like the apology I meant it to be. I have no intention of railing against Cutler this off-season, I don't want him run out of town ... because there's no alternative to him really. He's our guy and all we can do is improve his protection and his weaponry, we all want him to succeed. I won't be on here saying we suck, because we don't. Our defense brought Superman Rodgers back down to Earth quick smart after the media swallowed his playoff load . I won't even rail on the secondary - if they were any better we'd be an elite all-time kind of defense and then the expectations would be sky high. But our boys are getting on in years and the frustration is mostly from knowing that the window is closing and this was our chance. Maybe next year is the last chance before a long rebuild ... and Angelo had better be a long way away from that.

    So, the positives from Sunday? I think Hanie was the biggest. For a guy who had thrown 8 passes or whatever in the NFL, that wasn't bad. I know he threw two picks - and how he didn't see a fat bastard like Raji, I don't know - but a guy with that little experience in that situation, it happens. In between, he was really good ... and dammit he nearly pulled it off. Who thought we'd be going down to the wire when our jaws all dropped when we saw Todd Collins warming up? Were they expecting Hanie to get injured? It looks like we have a solid number two in Hanie, I'm a fan now.

    223 days.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    On the Raji pick, I don't blame Hanie one bit, he was rushed hard and had to throw early, Raji was committed to that direction, and if he had protection for just a little bit longer(or more experience, yeah) he gets that throw off on the other side of Raji for a large gain.

  • In reply to pongjinn:

    Raji is not a moon, he's a space station.
    Zone blitzes just kill young quarterbacks.

  • In reply to pongjinn:

    http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/nfl/columns/story?columnist=jackson_scoop&id=6058450

    Scoop w/ yet another banger about Cutty.

  • In reply to pongjinn:

    I agree. It was just one of many bad throws by the Bears QBs in that game.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    My long defense is coming. Like I said, I want it to be good and well thought out. I'm not ready for that yet. The wound is still fresh.

    Look, all I'm saying is, based on the last few threads, with all the debate about Angelo and Lovie and will Cutty be good or won't he... It just seems like now is the time to be pissed at the loss. Nothing more. Nothing about how our coaches are inept or are players couldn't possibly get lucky enough to be back here next year, or how Angelo sucks, or how our secondary sucks or anything. I mean for the last three years we were pissed because with this much talent we should be better. This year we actually do good, and we're lucky? And we got Peppers and Harris back? How? I don't get it. And I'm not demanding anybody stick to my timeline about how they grieve and deal with this gut wrenching loss. I'm just worried the whole offseason will be more debates about Angelo and lovie and Cutler instead of debates about why we shouldn't be back here next year. The Jay thing in particular. It's his first year in this system with a bunch of green smurf like receivers and no O-line. Yet he helped get us to the NFC championship game, improved from last year, and is already the best QB we've ever had. The reason people are comparing his stats to those of Montana, Elway, and Brady in their fifth years is because they feel the need to defend him against some people on this blog who are bitching about him. How he's not accurate and can't read defenses and he's the best we've had but he'll never be all that great. Why? Why won't he be? Elways a hall of famer and sucked in his fifth year by comparison. Brady is a hall of famer and Cutty had similar stats. With NO PROTECTION. Why can't we give this tough sonuvabitch a chance? Why can't we, for now, lick our wounds and keep things in perspective. This NFL is a tough business. We've been to the NFC title game 2 times in five years. We've been to the playoffs after winning our division three times in six years....I'm starting to dip into my upcoming diatribe, so I'll digress.

    Oh yeah. I'm not a hypocrite because I don't like haters. Let's not start throwing THAT word around. For my part, I apologize if calling you a hater got your panties in a twist. I just really tire of negativity and it seems you tend to err on that side. No real offense intended. Maybe just a flesh wound of offense, nothing more.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Cutler's TD/INT numbers from last year to this year don't mean anything to you?

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Usually Jeff puts up a new thread whenever I finally get a chance to read and comment. So in advance, you're welcome.

    Why I'm more optimistic this year than I thought I would be:
    Lovie truly delegated this year, but I expect he will set parameters with Martz so that he doesn't go pass happy. Re-upping Forte will certainly send that message.

    Tice will (hopefully) have some input regaring potential O-line choices.

    Marinelli will realize his base defense is too susceptible to what the Packers want to do.

    Along the same lines - the enemy is clear. we have to build a team that can beat the Packers - two times and maybe three next year.

    Along the same line, and posted already, they MUST figure out how to beat the 3-4.

    Angelo is on the bubble big time. The coaches proved they can do the job with what he himself admitted was not a lot of talent. Now he has to prove he can actually draft talent and not potential or upside.

  • In reply to BillW:

    I don't know if anyone's mentioned it yet, but sorry the game turned out so bad with you and your son in attendance. I thought your family tradition meant we were destined to go.

    On the other hand.

    The first time you and your day went, we went to the SB and won it.

    The next time, with you and your boy, we went to the SB and lost it.

    This time, with you and your other boy, we don't even get to go.

    Promise me you won't take your son the divisional game next year.

    Sorry. I noticed a pattern. Can't help it. I know YOU know what I mean.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    At least you came around on Earl :-)

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    Right on Doc!
    This is the best post I've read on a Bears blog all season. I'm happy about these Bears, even when disappointed about losing to the cheeseheads. Not a perfect season, but a lot to be happy about!

    GO BEARS!

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    I couldn't agree more Doc.

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    That shit's for 14 girls doc... don't pay no attention now.

    You guys hear about Fischer... HeGone!

    He's dead to me doc... dude ain't got no skills man. Can't teach guile and can't become a strategic thinker. You either is or you iznt ... and he iznt.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I was going to say that about Fischer. There's your vacancy Albert.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    So they say goodbye to Fisher AND Vince in the same offseason.

    I have to say I did not see that coming.

    Good luck to whichever team ends up with VY Jelly at the helm. Anyone with a young head coach, you may want to avoid him.

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    Don Banks is reporting that the Titans are about to hang out the "No FISHing" sign.

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/football/nfl/01/27/titans-jeff-fisher/index.html

  • In reply to mikebdot:

    Coaching staff isn't going anywhere. Lovie gets an extension (2-3 Years) and probably the ex-HC's. Jeff why do you read Rosendouche? That guy's a gossip columnist/joke. He's worse than 99% of the idiots on ESPN and that's saying something.

    With a decent OL and a WR upgrade, our O could be in the upper half of the league. That would be enough to be in every game. We need one or two young blue chippers every year through the draft + more depth everywhere. JA has shown 0 ability to find the blue chippers so it's either FA or nothing.

  • In reply to mikebdot:

    http://www.windycitygridiron.com/2011/1/26/1957523/oss-jay-cutler-tough-as-hell-desktop-wallpaper?ref=yahoo

  • In reply to JeffHughes:

    Because we blew a winnable game, and one horrendous coaching decision plus a few other bizarre calls were a big part of it.

  • In reply to Ufficio:

    Not as big a part, IMO, as our starting QB just having a bad day. All players have bad days, and Jay's just so happened to be in the NFC title game.

    Shit happens.

  • In reply to JeffHughes:

    Hmmm well it's not much different in going to the Superbowl and being totally out coached and lose.

    Tell me Jeff how many NFC Championships to we have to go to and keep losing for Lovie to get the axe? Or NFC North Championships and lose in the play-offs? 2 More times? 3 More times? How about another Superbowl Loss? How many?

    I don't understand the logic...it's not Lovie getting us to the play-offs it's the players and this year it's beacuse of Martz and Tice. IMHO. Hell just last year most of us called for Jerry and Lovie's head on pikes...so we get to the NFC championship and lose and all is forgotten and forgiven?

    I cannot agree in that philosophy. We need a new GM and HC..keep Martz and the rest to keep Jay in the same Offensive scheme. I'm sick of Lovie...the only way he can possibly prove me wrong is to take us to the SB next year and win. Who wants to put money down to say that's going to happen? We can't be that lucky 2 years in a row. Lovie is an OK coach BUT OK doesn't cut it anymore.

    We need a change at the top.

  • In reply to mottystone:

    I agree we should keep the coaching staff intact, including assistants. The only way the players will develop is with continuity. Don't get me wrong. I still don't have much faith in Lovie, but I see the improvement from this season, and if Lovie goes, chances are the assistants will, too. BTW, they should keep Hanie as the No. 2 and work to develop him with some reps. The kid's got the "it" factor and created a definite spark despite the picks.
    I really hope every player takes notes on the comments players from other teams are making right now. I hope they re-read them every day during the offseason, especially Jay. Then I want them to come back next season like the 85 team did, in a bad mood and determined to "kick the damn door down." Teams are lucky the Bears aren't playing this week because there would be some serious punishment dished out. We might not win, but the opposing players would spend the next two days in the tub nursing their wounds.

  • In reply to mottystone:

    In case anyone doubted it, I freaking loathe Mike Lupica. Growing up, the sports reporters was the most annoying thing about waking up on Sunday. What a complete waste of an hour that was. I always thought "hmm, maybe they'll say something interesting", but nope. Mitch Albom, too. What a bunch of sanctimonious tools.

    Incidentally, when Bobby Knight told Jeremy Schaap that he had a long way to go if he wanted to fill his father's shoes I about died laughing.

  • In reply to Jokey:

    I agree 100%. But I wouldn't extend Lovie either. I posted in the previous thread, I think the right thing to say to Lovie is simple: "We really like what we saw this year and also in 2006, but we want to see if you can put together two seasons in a row where we are playoff contenders." If we're over .500 at the bye week and looking strong, or if we make the playoffs, I think we can give him another 3-4 years."

  • In reply to Jokey:

    I agree...but Martz and Tice need to sit in a room look at the Pats, Giants, and packer games and come up with something more effective against the 3-4 defense.

    That and I have a horrible feeling we lose Toub in the offseason.

  • I agree that they should keep the coaches in place if they can do so. I know Martz was behind wanting the veteran QB and not realizing Collins was too veteran. I also think that Lovie had to give some leeway to these other head coaches in order for it to work. He obviously had veto power and should have realized that Caleb shgould have been no. 2 and Hanie no. 3. Lovie likely gave Martz his way on this one thinking he would need neither.

  • In reply to Crowned:

    That's the thing with Lovie. He surrounded himself with capable Generals but forgot to be the Emperor. It's cool to give your genrals leeway, but as soon as Martz tell Colllins to warm you need to step in and say 'WTF?', well as soon as he gets pencilled in as #2 actually.

  • In reply to Crowned:

    All Right..

    Jack. This is for you and everyone who is ready for the Draft.

    The top players being looked at that should be going in the first round.

    1. Da'Quan Bowers* DE Clemson 97
    2. Nick Fairley DT Auburn 97
    3. Patrick Peterson* CB LSU 97
    4. A.J. Green* WR Georgia 97
    5. Prince Amukamara CB Nebraska 96
    6. Blaine Gabbert* QB Missouri 96
    7. Marcell Dareus* DT Alabama 96
    8. Robert Quinn* DE N. Carolina 96
    9. Von Miller OLB Texas A&M 95
    10. Ryan Kerrigan DE Purdue 95
    11. Stephen Paea DT Oregon State 95
    12. Julio Jones* WR Alabama 95
    13. Adrian Clayborn DE Iowa 94
    14. Nate Solder OT Colorado 94
    15. Cameron Jordan DE California 93
    16. Tyron Smith* OT USC 93
    17. Mike Pouncey C Florida 93
    18. Akeem Ayers* OLB UCLA 93
    19. Gabe Carimi OT Wisconsin 92
    20. Jake Locker QB Washington 92
    21. J.J. Watt* DE Wisconsin 92
    22. Anthony Castonzo OT Boston Coll. 91
    23. Mark Ingram* RB Alabama 91
    24. Cameron Heyward DE Ohio State 91
    25. Corey Liuget* DT Illinois 91
    26. Justin Houston* OLB Georgia 90
    27. Allen Bailey DE Miami (Fla.) 90
    28. Cam Newton* QB Auburn 90
    29. Brandon Harris* CB Miami (Fla.) 89
    30. Ryan Mallett* QB Arkansas 89
    31. Ryan Williams* RB Virginia Tech 89
    32. Drake Nevis DT LSU 88

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    If a guy like Mark Ingram falls to the Bears, do they take him?
    And I happen to think he will.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    What about Unga buga..which reminds me. What did we lose for getting that guy? Did we lose a draft pick?

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    yea. this year's 7th (which i'll gladly take if he can be the bowling ball dude we need if Chester doesn't pan out).

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    Good point, it was fourth or below I think. He's on IR isn't he ? He'll be back I hope, although they re-signed Eddie Williams.

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    # 90-100 Rare Prospect
    Player demonstrates rare abilities and can create mismatches that have an obvious impact on the game. Is a premier college player that has all the skill to take over a game and play at a championship level. He rates in the top 5 players in the nation at his position and is considered a first round draft prospect.
    # 80-89 Outstanding Prospect
    Player has abilities to create mismatches versus most opponents in the NFL. A feature player that has an impact on the outcome of the game. Cannot be shut down by a single player and plays on a consistent level week in and week out. He rates in the top 10 at his position and is considered a second round draft prospect.

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    If we went OL in rd 2 and 3 then why not pick a good RB? There's always free agency for the OL - it's not like we have the time to develop these OL draft picks for years, we need to make a run next year. If he's a special RB you can't pass if he falls that low.

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    The cat at number 22 is the one who's name I've heard thrown around for the Bears selection. Castonzo and Carimi at #19.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Number 5 is the one I have heard the most.

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    As MB30 says, a girl can dream.

    Here's some video of the Carimi kid dominating Cameron Heyward (no. 24 on the list):
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjPsgcj2ufI

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVeWn3bwWTg

    NUmber 5

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    Not his most impressive

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    OG Clint Boling and OT James Carpenter had solid days as well. Carpenter showed good feet in pass sets. Boling held strong at tackle.

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    Da'Quan's mother really prepared him for Harvard, didn't she? Da'Quan. Jebus.

    I can totally envision Angelo picking a DE in the first. I can see it now. "Y'know we looked at value versus need and we just felt we couldn't pass up [insert bust DE]..."

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Irish, you should be careful with this stuff. Anything where you are giving yourself a chance to say "see, I *told* you how dumb Angelo is" simply cannot be good karma.

  • I meant Collins as #3

  • Not a surprise Rosenbloom would say that. He's a moron. Was there anything worse than his radio show with Salisbury. He talks a big game but his football knowledge has to be called into question with everything he writes. He should write a Dear Abbey type column or something but not football.

  • I think we'd be remiss to treat the coaching job security issue solely as a "do they, or do they not, deserve to come back?"

    The question is not "To Lovie, or not to Lovie?" Instead, the real question is "To Lovie, or to (insert name of other head coaching candidates)?" Obviously you don't throw Lovie Smith away, even if you are unhappy with him and don't have much faith, when you have no one else in mind that you feel good about. So, what realistically are the alternatives to Jerry, Lovie, Martz, Tice, Marinelli....etc? I think you can't really have that discussion unless you take that into consideration.

  • In reply to brocklanders:

    We can't really fire anyone important - although somebody should pass a hat around Chicago for the Fire Angela Collection. Losing that turd doesn't affect us negatively one bit. You fire Lovie, and you're basically firing the staff because anyone coming in will want their own. I'd have no problem with Daryl Drake being thrown out a window because he's done nothing with our receivers. Isaac Bruce please, or someone who know what they're talking about.

    Where's Cutler's mentor? How many game-winning drives has Martz quarterbacked? He's not Bill Walsh either. We hired some guy who's last job was stapling playbooks together to be his QB coach. That should be in The Simpsons ...

  • Reposting from the other thread; pertinent to this topic:

    We have to ride this out with the coaching staff we have; too late to make a change; that should have been last year; Cutler will never improve if given yet another OC. He may not anyway.

    The controversy will be a critical point - either Jay will use it to foucus on leading us back to the NFC Championship, or he'll crawl in a corner and sulk. Don't criticize me for saying that. Ultimately he has to show leadership instead of sitting back letting his teammates come to his defense. He doesn't have to pander to the media - a nice "F*CK YOU" to the media and players criticizing him would do just fine.

    Big needs are simple - OLine and a tough true #1 receiver. But even that may be too much to ask for.

    Martz has too much power - if Collins was #2 because he doesn't liek Hanie then maybe it's time for Lovie to leak that to the press so he gets the heat he deserves. That is the WORST decision ever.

    I read several weeks ago that Collins was back at being #2. Why did the press not make an issue of this? They really fell asleep at the switch.

  • In reply to BillW:

    "a nice "F*CK YOU" to the media and players criticizing him would do just fine."
    -That's just not Cutler's style though. He's an introvert who doesn't like being in the public eye. I know it comes with the territory but I don't think it's going to happen with him. Funny thing is he made huge strides this year compared to last in his first year in a new system and I think he's going to take another step forward next year. He doesn't have to be a vocal leader as that shit is over rated. If he comes out and wins next year and is still a dick to the media I'll bet there won't be as much

  • In reply to jbenton:

    or any of those critics saying all the BS they've been saying about his attitude. They'll start calling him things like "Fiery" and such.

  • In reply to jbenton:

    Let's draft ol, dl, and cb. In fa, if there is one, we get the wideout we need and if we can a cb.

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    I'd like to see at least one if not two o-lineman brought in through free agency. If we could get a o-lineman and a big name WR that would be even better. I would hate to put my trust in the drafting of an o-lineman to Angelo. Especially when we need to get Cutler some protection now before his career is ended.

  • In reply to jbenton:

    Good point. I didn't know there was any good FA o-lineman in the FA pool. You might not trust Angelo but I think mike tice has the ability to pick them out. I think our drafting sucess relys on our new coaches. They are the evaluators not Angelo or Lovie. Or so I hope

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    True. I do trust Tice but bringing in at least one proven guy would help him out immensely. I know Logan Mankins and Carl Nicks are both available. Both are guards that can run/pass block. I know Nicks is younger and will probably command less money.

  • In reply to jbenton:

    We also have to hope we can actually get them. I was shocked as hell when we got Peppers.

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    Me too. There's no reason the Bears don't spend the money. I thought the Bears were so high in payroll after signing Peppers,Taylor and manu but apparently they're only something like 21st in the league in payroll. Open up those purse strings and lets go on a binge again Angelo.

  • In reply to jbenton:

    Bears are 10th in payroll JAB. http://www.altiusdirectory.com/Sports/nfl-salaries.php

  • In reply to iamndmurff:

    Pats are 30th. Bottom 3 payrolls were division or wild card teams. Some real surprises in the rankings.

  • In reply to iamndmurff:

    I have to do some research and figure out how Cleveland is spending that much money.
    That one has me stunned.
    Nice find, Murph!

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    May be a dumb question, but why do those figures differ so sharply from the ones given on espn?

    The payroll given for the Bears is the same but the amount given for the Packers and Pats is off by 60 Mil each...

    http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=hruby/110124_nfl_payrolls&sportCat=nfl

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Answered my own question, someone at altiusdirectory screwed up, that's the payroll from 2008

    http://content.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/totalpayroll.aspx?year=2008

  • In reply to pongjinn:

    So where do Bears rank in payroll? Is it #21 or is it #10?

  • In reply to jbenton:

    Long delay in commenting but from everything I've heard, definitely #21. I've never heard of altiusdirectory, and when their info directly conflicts with espn and usatoday? Gonna go with usatoday and espn.

  • In reply to pongjinn:

    Sounds like MJD is receiving death threats now, and is bummed no one seems to care.

    Someone please take his smart phone away from him.

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    Jeff, could not agree with you more.

    Before we worry about free agency, the Bears organization needs to do everything it can to maintain the coaching staff as we see it today.

    Great strides were made this year, and with a few changes, we could go all the way next year. I don't need an apology from Lovie, just get rid of Collins and use that red flag better and we'll be all good.

  • In reply to sjvl:

    The greatest testament to leadership that Lovie can make, in my opinion, is to maintain the coaching staff as a cohesive unit. Given that there are four guys that have been head coaches and one (Toub) that a team might give a shot to, it would be quite an accomplishment to keep all those egos in check and let people do their jobs.

    Regarding Angelo, it is hard for me to imagine that the HC and coordinators do not have an influence on who a team drafts. With the acumulated knowledge of the Bears' staff, it would be hard to imagine having too crappy of a draft.

  • In reply to jbenton:

    I'm sure there will be a ton of competition to sign either of them, but at least Lovie seems to have a crush on Mankins

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/12/09/lovie-smith-gushes-over-logan-mankins/

  • In reply to pongjinn:

    Lovie is right, and I get woozy thinking about Mankins at Left Guard, but he needs to STFU before we lose draft picks because of tampering charges.

  • In reply to jbenton:

    Agreed - but if he sits back and lets the teammates take the heat and defend him without him addressing it somehow, he just looks even weaker. I don't care if he's introverted - maybe it's time for him to find at least one media outlet he can speak with.

    Maybe Jeff? Being the internet age, it might be a good solution.

  • In reply to BillW:

    I'm not arguing with you Bill but anything the guy does is scrutinized. If he comes out and calls people out then it will just be construed as Cutler not being able to take it. The guys not liked by the media and the only thing that's going to change it is going out there and shutting them up with his play(the way it should be). honestly I couldn't give a rats ass if Cutlers out there beating babies as long as he's winning games for this team.(obviously I'm joking about the baby beating)

  • In reply to jbenton:

    is he an introvert? or is it the fact that he doesn't want to talk to the media after the Denver shit? correct me if i'm wrong, but while he was at Denver, he made regular appearances on sports TV shows (Best Damn Sports Show, PTI, NFL Network...just to name a few), but when he went to Chi-Town, media turned on him.

    imho, i think he hasn't changed at all. it's the media's PERCEPTION of him that makes it look like he's changed (they're painting him to be a whiny, crybaby bitch when he's anything but). the best way for him to quell the hate is to shut his mouth, work most of offseason, and win. THAT'S the way to shut your critics up; Brady didn't necessarily talk shit until AFTER he won SBs.

    ppl will ride a QB's dick into the ground after they win the ultimate football prize (unless you're Dilfer's sorry ass). i don't give a fuck what he does to the media b/c they're treating him like shit for one isolated incident that he really hasn't had the full chance to explain his side of; just want him to do the Al Davis mantra: 'Just Win Baby.'

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    Two thoughts:

    The Chicago press is completely different than what they have in Denver.

    If Cutler really doesn't want to interact with the press, it's best he doesn't. If it's forced, it can only lead to disaster. who wants another Tom Brady ass kisser anyway?

  • In reply to BillW:

    Hate to say it, but after reading Rosey I think he makes a strong arguement. The idea of Tice as OC is off base, but it's true that Martz has made some very bad decisions AND he will be tempted to go pass happy again next year if they improve the o-line.

    The real solution is for Lovie to step in and demand run-pass balance, a real fullback (a Matt Suhey type who can catch too); and agree to Hanie as #2. If Martz can't work with Hanie, then address this sooner rather than later. Remember that Collins was a very last minute pick up only after Hanie got hurt in the preseason, we were not going to play Cutler, and LeFevre was clearly not ready.

    Martz is scary and Lovie has no credibility in offense decisions. But as head coach he has the right to spell out parameters that Martz is forced to take. If Martz can't, then it's time to look for another one. I suspect Martz will though, because another firing and his career is over.

  • In reply to BillW:

    Apparently Eddie Williams is a pass-catcher. But I'd love to see more of Unga and Tofu-man - they look exciting.

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