2010 Bears Could Become 1984 Bears

Those of you yearning for the Bears to become a more consistent franchise, here's a question: has any team in the NFC been consistently great over the last decade?  Consistently good, even?  The answer is simple.  No, unless you consider Andy Reid's inevitable postseason failings each year good.  Peter King actually included an interesting tidbit in his MMQB column this week:

Winners of the championship in the 16-team NFC in the past 10 seasons:

2010 Green Bay

2009 New Orleans

2008 Arizona

2007 New York Giants

2006 Chicago

2005 Seattle

2004 Philadelphia

2003 Carolina

2002 Tampa Bay

2001 St. Louis

The NFC is wide open each year.  There for the taking.  And this season the Bears were a miraculous Caleb Hanie-as-Frank Reich drive away from having a shot to take their second conference title in five years.  They came up short to a Green Bay Packers team that would not have made the postseason if the Eagles don't complete an improbable comeback against the Giants and the Bucs don't blow a lead at home to the Lions.  That's how tenuous success in the NFL can be.  This loss, though, may not be the worst thing that's ever happened to the Bears organization.
The 1984 Chicago Bears were a slightly above-mediocre 10-6 and lost in a dismal NFC Championship performance to the eventual Super Bowl champion Joe Montana and the San Francisco 49ers.  They took a lashing in the media (shocker) but there was optimism in Chicago about developing defensive strength and continued excellence of Walter Payton at tailback.  Chicago knew they were good.  But could they become great?
The Bears are poised right now to be successful next season, especially with the CBA disputes on the horizon.  2011 will reward those teams with continuity both in the coaching staff and on the roster and the Bears will be bringing back every important performer currently on the roster.  Brian Urlacher and Julius Peppers are not young but they are also nowhere near finished as top-tier performers.  The remainder of the LoveRod defense showed against Aaron Rodgers once again that they are capable of being one of the top units in the sport. 
They also have two other major things going for them.  (1) The Jay Cutler Rallying Cry will be something we start discussing at the start of training camp.  The way this organization has publicly defended him will be their first bit of motivation for the 2011 campaign.  I will also be leading this brigade from the fan side.  (2) Their schedule, available here, looks to be easy.  I know it's difficult to assess future opponents but the Bears got the two best teams in the AFC West (KC, SD) at home and have exceedingly winnable games against Carolina, Atlanta at home, Seattle at home, at Tampa...etc.  You don't look at this schedule and say, "Wow, that's going to be impossible to win".  No Pittsburghs or Jets or Pats or Ravens.  Eagles and Saints on road are the only "penciled" losses.
Add that the weaknesses of the Bears are easily identified - rare in this current NFL world.  They need to fix the offensive line and add a big-target wide receiver.  Everything else - youth at linebacker, cover corner, punter, safety depth - would be nice but are not essential moves.  Offensive line and big-target receiver are the thing and the latter is not incredibly difficult with Santonio Holmes, Braylon Edwards, Vincent Jackson, Sidney Rice being available FA's and Brandon Marshall reportedly available via trade.  Spend the money.  Get the weapon.
Offensive line is the issue moving forward.  The only issue.  If the Bears would like to commit to J'Marcus Webb at right tackle then they must find a way to put a capable player at left tackle.  Chris Williams can not continue starting and performing at his current level.  This unit is the team's signature question mark and the Bears have nine months to get it fixed.  
The 1984 Bears seized an opportunity.  They seized upon the stains of defeat and the pains of disaster.  They returned to football and became the greatest single-season football team that's ever snapped a chinstrap.  That's a lot of pressure, I know, for this group of Chicago Bears but it must be the model by which they operate.  Last season brought the elite edge rusher, new defensive mentality and offensive system.  Now they need to make those adjustments that will elevate them from a good team to a great team.  Offensive line.  Wide receiver.  
The 2011 stage is set.  The play is written.  They simply need to cast a few essential roles.

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  • First to say that I didn't read the article.

    I got too excited and have nothing to add.

  • The crap that Cutler and this team are going through at the moment is either going to make or break them next year. This type of adversity is almost unprecedented.

  • Preach on, brother Jeff, preach on.

  • Jeff, why don't you apply for the position of GM for the Bears? Your analysis is spot on.

    The next few weeks will see me agonizing in despair and disbelief that Angelo will actually competently address these needs. If we don't see MAJOR changes to the OLine and at least the ATTEMPT to get a big WR, then he's officially, officially, officially shit the bed. But he'll be around through Lovie's "extension"...

  • In reply to jj320:

    Nothing against Jeff JJ, but a fucking old-world monkey with his dirty ape finger in his ass could have laid that out.

    In fact, many of the dirty monkeys on this here blog have been saying that for over a year now.

    I will add that FS depth is important, agreed that it's not nearly as important as OL, OL, OL, OL, OL, and a big, proven FA WR

  • Troy Aikman said on the radio yesterday that the Bears have no one on offense that scares the hell out of a defensive coordinator and you need that.

    We need a Jerry Rice, Michael Irwin, an Andre Rison, a star wideout who can win any game for you at any time, someone you can throw a 70 yard bomb to (jennings on green bay) on any play and the defensive coordinator has to game plan for that every play.

  • In reply to robclements36:

    Troy Aikman can suck my nuts. But he's right.

  • In reply to jj320:

    I hate troy and his freak like giant hands. He's a Bears hater plain and simple.

  • In reply to jj320:

    Webb has the natural talent, he just needs to be developed. He played really well for a 7th rounder in his first year. I have no idea if he'll every be a good LT, but I think there's a lot of upside in him and we'll see it more and more in the next couple of years.

    Similar comments for Lance Louis at Guard.

    I don't want to see Lovie extended because I think the pressure is doing him good. Just tell him straight up, we are very happy with 2010, we want to see you run a good off-season so the team can start putting together consistent winning seasons. If the team is over .500 at the bye week in 2011, he's earned a nice deal.

  • In reply to mottystone:

    Lovies stays and that mean Angelo stays. Angelo is just protecting his ass also.

  • In reply to mottystone:

    pro-bowlers are almost exlusively first rounders - does 'playing well for a 7th rounder' qualify you to be a RT? Define 'played well' ? All I saw - and I watched no-one closer this year than our two tackles - was a big turnstiles at RT on passing downs. All I saw was guys running around him.

    Lance Louis/Asiata/Shaffer are better than Omelette/Williams/Garza/Webb - yet they're all on the bench. Why? Bigger salary = starter.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Irish, do you have someone on staff that's sending you film of these practice squad heroes? Because I'm absolutely stumped at your obsession with Louis and Asiata. When did you see them throw pancake blocks on Demarcus Ware or stonewall Clay Matthews?
    The Shaffer fandom is inexplicable for the sole reason that we KNOW how bad he can be at RT. He sure as shit wasn't an improvement over Webb, and his upside is done.

  • In reply to robclements36:

    Ok.. once again, explain how we get people in the FA. Since we were the top four teams left, do we have to have someone quit on our team or contract run up to get someone else?

    Or does the person we lose have to sign with someone else so we can get someone else.. Making any sense?

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    What are you asking? We just sign them. They are free to sign and we sign them if we want them. There will be 3-5 players on the current roster who are cut for economic reasons (i.e. Tommie Harris).

  • In reply to JeffHughes:

    I thought we don't get first dibs on players because we are not a losing team.

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    Kinda like the Moss scenario... we were like what 15th in line to ask him?

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    Thats called Waivers. not Free Agency

  • In reply to stevo81989:

    Yeah, I know that. Just trying to get Jeff to see what I was talking about.

    JAB caught on to it.

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    You know what you're talking about Artoo, he doesn't. That's one reason I'd rather not get embarrassed in the playoffs and get higher draft picks and better FA conditions. We harmed ourselves in a number of ways by over-achieving this year. Retaining the clowns in addition to the above.

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    Brandon Marshall available via trade? hmmm....see what's up w/ that, but if the asking price is too much, then don't do it (MAYBE for a '12 first rounder....maybe).

    i'd see what's up w/ Sid the Kid first (although the hip thing scares me, he made Brett Favre look like a legend at 40). i can see him and Cutler creating instant chemistry (and turning Knox into the Percy Harvin slot role). as for Hester? dude needs to stick to special teams w/ plays created for him in the offense...not an every-down-WR type (Earl Bennett is more than capable).

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    Chicago knew they were good. But good they become great?

    That should read 'but COULD they become great?'

    Feel free to nuke this post once corrected.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I noticed this too, but I almost thought that it was some subliminal uber-double entendre or something. And then I started to like it.

  • In reply to JeffHughes:

    I posted this yesterday but here it goes again.
    We can't jsut sign anybody since we made it to the conference final. We have to lose someone to FA to go after anyone. I don't know who our FA's are though that we can lose.
    What is the Final Eight Plan?

    A: During the Final League Year, the eight clubs that make the Divisional Playoffs in the previous season have additional restrictions that limit their ability to sign unrestricted free agents from other clubs. In general, the four clubs participating in the championship games are limited in the number of free agents that they may sign; the limit is determined by the number of their own free agents signing with other clubs. They cannot sign any UFAs unless one of theirs is signed by another team. For the four clubs that lost in the Divisional Playoffs, in addition to having the ability to sign free agents based on the number of their own free agents signing with other clubs, they may also sign players based on specific financial parameters. Those four only will be permitted to sign one unrestricted free agent for $5.5 million (estimated) or more in year one of the contract, plus the number of their UFAs who sign with another team. They also can sign any unrestricted free agents for less than $3.7 (estimated) million in year one of the contract with limitations on the per year increases. In the case of all final eight teams, the first year salary of UFAs they sign to replace those lost cannot exceed the first year salary of the player lost with limitations on the per year increases.

  • In reply to jbenton:

    Thank you

  • In reply to jbenton:

    http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE62445R20100305

    I should say that this happens if a new CBA doesn't come to fruition.

  • In reply to jbenton:

    Will these provisions necessarily apply if and when the CBA is extended?

    Seems kind of unfair to be. Winners are already punished by the draft order, why punish them in free agency as well?

  • In reply to Ufficio:

    These are only if the new CBA isn't agreed upon from what I've read.

  • In reply to jbenton:

    The final 8 rule was part of the 2010 salary cap-less one year thing. The idea was that one season without a salary cap would force a new labor agreement, which clearly didn't happen. The top 8 teams were restricted in who they could approach to prevent any of the best teams from signing the best talent and ruing "parody" in the league. It's only for the 2010 season.

    As of March 4th the CBA is expired. There is no Top 8 rule or free agency. That will all have to be re-established in the new CBA.

    I don't think it will be a factor for the 2011 off season. Although, who knows what they will come up with in the new CBA. There will probably be a salary cap and new rules.

  • In reply to Ufficio:

    How are winners punished? It's fair as it is. Super bowl winners should pick last. Worst first. How else do you maintain parity?

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Read my post again. I'm not taking exception to the draft order, but to the rules restricting free agent signings.

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    Oh shoulda, woulda coulda, Consistently Good? Please the NFL loves the parody, they built it that way, and with that many teams, the talent is watered down so that' here to stay.
    "They came up short to a Green Bay Packers team that would not have made the postseason if the Eagles don't complete an improbable comeback against the Giants and the Bucs don't blow a lead at home to the Lions. OMG please, if the bears didn't have the lucky horseshoe shoved up Luckie's ass all year, they would have been eliminated a long time ago. In fact if that TD holds up in the first game against Detroit, the bears don't even make the playoffs. Hey Green Bay WON all those games against good teams, AWAY. We didn't just beat the crappy Seahawks at our own field. And that final game - the Bears never had a chance, Green Bay let up and relaxed when Cutler went out. McCarthy did a good job of not embarrassing you on such a big stage. That game ended right there on Green Bays first drive. The tweets on Cutler are because a lot of the nfl players realized how lucky the bears were this entire season. It was payback time. You now had to deal with all the crap that all the others teams endured all season. Your house of cards came down on the biggest game in NFL's history. Oh and one more thing, Vegas likes Green Bay, Your 2011 Super Bowl Champions - The Green Bay Packers!

  • In reply to MrARodgers:

    just a question: is this the only blog you post on? b/c every time i see you or any other Packer fan on here, the phrase "ye protest too much" comes to mind.

  • In reply to MrARodgers:

    Come on Jeff, give this fuckwad the boot. It's one thing to endure these mindless trolls during the build-up week, it's another to deal with these sorry assholes all off-season.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    +1

  • In reply to gpldan:

    GP, there is some truth to a few of the things the troll said. Of course there is also a healthy dose of bs mixed in with his vomit as well.

  • In reply to MrARodgers:

    (my sincere apologies to dave and the rest of you for this, but

  • In reply to MrARodgers:

    Oh and totally off topic as usual.. but for anyone that is in the market for a new TV I would strongly suggest a Mitsubishi. I set up my old Tv in the back yard for the Giants V Bears game in Oct. Well i didnt take it back inside.. I dont have room. After sitting out in the rain for the last two months I decided to see if my 50 inch Mitsubishi would still work for the Bears v Green Bay game. I plugged her in, turned her on and to my surprise she worked just fine! That things better than a Timex

  • In reply to Jlehr:

    you left a 50 inch tv...outside..for how long?

    You must live somewhere nice lol

  • In reply to Jlehr:

    I had a Mitsubishi TV that put out a gorgeous picture for over 20 years.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    My granny's Sony Trinitron. 30 years.

  • In reply to Jlehr:

    Interesting point Jeff. As I was digesting the loss, I starting looking forward and wondering if its possible to see this Packers/Bears Championship game become similar to the Niner's Cowboys rivalry in the nineties. Obviously they play in the same division, however to me, I dont really see other teams emerging as perrenial contenders, other than the Packers and hopefully our Bears.

    Perhaps just wishful thinking, but it would be a lot of fun.

  • In reply to Dmband:

    Detroit will be fighting for a playoff spot next year, it's gonna happen.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    I'm not so sure they won't blow up over the quarterback position. Stafford is killing the development of other QBs on the roster and he's becoming the next Chad Pennington.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    We'll see. Might be a bit too soon to make that call but you may be right. Doesn't Detroit still have curse hanging over their head. Hmmmm, seem to have heard something.....

    http://curseofbobbylayne.com/wordpress/

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    I don't doubt it; they are snakebitten as bad as the Browns.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    The Bears are pretty snakebit.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    I though they might even trouble us this year Trac. All those picks have to pay off some time ...

  • In reply to Dmband:

    http://chicago.cbslocal.com/show/the-boers-and-bernstein-show/

    Boers and Bernstein Hour 2 - 1/25/11

    In the 2nd hour of the show today the guys talked with columnist/toolbag Jason Whitlock.

  • In reply to Shady:

    I was listening to that bullshit today.

  • In reply to Grizzly559:

    Some bullshit happened yesterday too.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4ToqNdIR7I&playnext=1&list=PL5221FF7EC2040FEB&index=21

  • In reply to Shady:

    I can't tolerate those guys.

  • In reply to Jlehr:

    Also, Im thinking the Bears make another big splash in the offseason to deflect some of the overwhelming negativity surrounding this team. We need a breath of fresh air...preferably, a breath of fresh air that can go up top and grab a touchdown over the defense.

  • In reply to Dmband:

    Asomugha wants a shot at a SB - like anyone would. That puts us firmly in the picture. If he goes to GB I'm off to do something else for a few years.

  • In reply to Jlehr:

    Here's the Whitlock tripe.

    http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/why-jay-cutler-quitting-on-chicago-bears-makes-us-so-livid-012411

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Whitlock is a clown. No intelligent or reasonable person takes him seriously.

    Whitlock has had a 'man-crush' on Jeff George for about a 100 years, or since they both played grade school football together.

    Cutler has him limitations: That said, the only commonality between Jay & Jeff is the fact that both have rocket arms.

    Cutler just needs an NFL caliber O-Line and a #1 WR and the rest, as they say, will be history.

  • In reply to GeoMak:

    The Cutler/George comparisons are striking though, and go much further than the arm. I don't have a link for the article unfortunately as I'm not Reuters and you can all use Google.

  • In reply to GeoMak:

    The opening line of the article exlains it all. He's tired of taking heat for trashing Lebron. Relax, jason, the NBA is minor sport anyway.

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    we have about 20 FAs on our team now that the season is over. Plus, in the NFL contracts aren't guaranteed, so there may be some guys let loose anyway. If I'm not mistaken we weren't in the top third in terms of payroll. Also, whether you like Lovie or not, it seems like guys want to play for him. That and 90 Mil. got Peppers here!

  • In reply to jdawg:

    and his guaranteed money is paid through the 1st 3 years ($20 mil this season i think). that leaves for A LOT of room in terms of flexibility.

    WR - free agency (no need to draft that...need an experienced NFL vet on this one)
    OL - let Tice shape some young talent. 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and maybe 5th round would do. if they decide to go CB in the 1st, i could live w/ that. but 2nd & 3rd need to be OL (and maybe swoop one in the FA market depending on who's all out there).

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    I wish we could draft someone like Suh in this draft

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    +1
    If you sell the farm, you do it for that guy.

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    You can't draft O-line in 4 out of the 5 first rounds, its too much turnover at the position and ignores other needs. But I agree the draft should go O-line heavy, with up to three picks.

    By the 4th round though... we have to be looking for CB and safety prospects, and we need a true fullback.

  • In reply to mottystone:

    with martz as coordinator, fullback is a position of the past...

  • In reply to MASOCHR:

    Then he is indeed a tool and needs to get lost. "I'm redefining football - FBs are history". Fuck off Martz and play ball. Short yardage = hand off to big guy. period.

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    I think that this is a fairly optimistic view on this season. Consider this... we didn't have a single major injury while the Packers and Vikings had several. We also had a very easy schedule and faced a number of 2nd/3rd string QBs. I doubt this will happen again.

    I think you really forgot how bad our DL is as well. Our DTs in particular were missing against every good OL we faced including on Sunday.

    My guess is that we return to a .500 team next year but call out injuries and bad luck as the main reasons.

    I would say we need 3 or 4 OL (keeping Webb and Kruetz but we need a young C since Olin can't play forver). We also need 2 DTs as well as another DE too. After that, I would go WR (free agent market) and CB.

  • In reply to bumble22:

    Kreutz is an unrestricted FA. It's sad to think about, but it may just be time to let him go.

  • In reply to Ufficio:

    Last year was the time to let him go.

  • In reply to bumble22:

    For those of you that may have missed it yesterday.. Soldier Field

    http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc518/Jlehr916/180077_1565275288366_1129902181_31224218_536893_n.jpg

  • In reply to Jlehr:

    I am impressed lol

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    Yeah ... I think when you walk in my house you instantly know what colors I bleed. Of course the flag out front is a good indication too. lol

  • In reply to Jlehr:

    If Cutler can continue to improve next year like he did last year to this, then next year could be magical. How did Jimmy Mac do in 84? Pretty sure he made his only probowl after the 85 season.

  • In reply to MASOCHR:

    Injured for most part.

  • In reply to JeffHughes:

    FYI: McMahon made 9 starts in'84. That was the year his kidney was lacerated against the Raiders in week 10, putting him on I.R.

    Steve Fuller started 4 games and both playoff games but the Bears also had QB starts from Bob Avellini, Greg Landry and Rusty Lisch that season.

    That was also the season the Bears ran Walter Payton out of the "wildcat" at the end of the half against the Packers at Soldier Field in Week 15.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSdMqnmj5T8

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    And he had a rating of 97.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    But, the Bears still lost that game.

    Probably because they stopping using him at QB in the 2nd half.

  • In reply to JeffHughes:

    *What* a surprise!

  • In reply to MASOCHR:

    Irish needs to read this when he starts up with the "Jimmy Mac woulda" bullshit:
    Year Team G Passing
    Att.-Comp. Yards Pct. TD Int. Sacks-Lost Pass
    Rating
    1982 Chicago 8 210-120 1,501 .571 9 7 27-196 79.9
    1983 Chicago 14 295-175 2,184 .593 12 13 42-266 77.6
    1984 Chicago 9 143-85 1,146 .594 8 2 10-48 97.8
    1985 Chicago 13 313-178 2,392 .569 15 11 26-125 82.6
    1986 Chicago 6 150-77 995 .513 5 8 6-40 61.4
    1987 Chicago 7 210-125 1,639 .595 12 8 22-136 87.4
    1988 Chicago 9 192-114 1,346 .594 6 7 13-79 76.0

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    my god, i thought those were Dilfers numbers.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    We don't mention that name here Johnny. From here on out he shall simply be called, "the penis" (no caps... cause he doesn't deserve them)

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Don't even make me post Elway's numbers for the first half of his career.
    He didn't break an 80 QB rating but once in the first ten seasons of his career. He averaged a 65 rating in his tenth season in the league. Jay's had one season below an 80 and that was behind a historically bad offensive line. Hell, this year he averaged an 86 behind a line that gave up 52 sacks!
    His TD to INT totals from 1983 to 1992 were 158 to 157.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    57 i believe

  • In reply to Grizzly559:

    Oh yes, if we include the playoffs. Great point.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I hope JA does not think his job is done...more to do.... dazzle me bitch!

    In the fold: The Bears on Monday signed six players who were on their practice squad to reserve/future contracts: Guard Johan Asiata, cornerback K.J. Gerard, tackle Levi Horn, linebackers Chris Johnson and Patrick Trahan, and fullback Eddie Williams.

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    Wow lobo, were they really able to keep K.J Gerard. Awesome. Now we have our shut down corner.

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    Fkn Eddie Williams? What's up with Unga and Tofu?

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I would wait..

    http://www.chicagobears.com/news/NewsStory.asp?story_id=7528

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    I dont fuckin get it. He has one more fucking year, let him prove his ass again! FUCK! I dont know how this fucking guy got this job to begin with. 5 yrs as LB Coach, and two yrs as a DC. Not exactly a Head Coaches resume. COORDINATORS make him look good thats it. You see a ton of HC calling their own offense and or defense, Lovie doesnt do either. And when he did last year, well our D sucked. FUCK LOVIE FIRE HIS ASS!

  • In reply to Grizzly559:

    I see this heartbreaking defeat has created some anger issues for Fres.. take a breat homie it's gonna be ok.

  • In reply to Grizzly559:

    +1M Fres.

    I'm so fucking tired of talking about it though. Like I said, I'm fine with lovie stayin AS LONG AS he continues to coach like its SB or get fired, as long as we can keep the current coaching staff, and as long as Angelo gets the fucking boot THIS week. Of course, that will never happen. He

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    and most too!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Tom Coughman was on the hot seat, produced a one and done playoff berth, was given an extension and won the Super Bowl the following year.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Yeeees? Aaaaaand?

    So lovie will do the same? I don't see the correlation Trac, or was that just an anecdotal aside?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Don't count an old dog out MB. This team lovies lovie. They will continue to improve.

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    sorry if this is been posted before:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8k4sM4U8yI

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Smm9G6FBuPE

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qE0OKFrLzZQ

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    You have to be fucking Neo to read that... jesus MBP.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I work with numbers all day - my mind just places 'em in the right columns.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Stats don't tell the whole story with QBs - although if you want to check out stats, the dude set 32 NCAA records, he was a stat-machine in college and he's in the HOF. We won the NFC Central the last 5 of those years I think - how's that for a stat? We won our only SB with Mac - and Ditka said we didn't win that SB without him. Not Sweetness, not Dent, Not Wilber. Just Mac - he was the key. He was the OC not just the QB, and had the balls to stand up to Ditka and change plays in the huddle. Ditka couldn't do anything because Mac got it right. The holiday bowl, Minnesota in '85, the Tampa Bay and Kansas city comebacks in '87 - I've never seen a QB like him that didn't know he was beat. It's not his fault the Bears were a running team/smackmouth defense. He could have put it up 40/50 times a game no problem - he did in college.

    We were kicking so much ass in those days we were just running out the clock most of the time. He was a winner his whole life in whatever sport he played and probably excelled at Pee Wee. He didn't understand accepting defeat. Though not durable, he was a tough SOB - regardless of what Fat Hampton said. Go check out Jimmy's record as a starter for the Bears. Here's another stat - between '84 and '87 he won 25 consecutive games as a starter for the Bears (incl. playoffs and SB) an NFL record.

    But stats don't do it. He was a born winner and the smartest player Ditka said he ever coached. Steve Young said he learned the game of football by sitting on the bench at BYU watching Mac play. If I was picking my all-time roster I'd have Joe Cool out there, but Jimmy would be my guy on the bench. I don't get how a Bears fan doesn't idolize that guy. He's a legend.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    OK, if you want to wheel him out as our starter next year, be my guest. The Panthers might take you up on it.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Jimmy Mac has experience on the bench, he was a pine-riding sliverpicker for the Green Bay Packers. Won a ring for carrying the clipboard, good gig if you can get it. I read he only wears his '97 ring, the '86 was pawned to some sucker for $37.52.

  • In reply to MASOCHR:

    Coach, i'm excited that we got a much improved Cutler this year in his first time running this offense. I too think that with a little more cohesion and an aggressive receiver that gets open and fights for the ball we will be just fine. Santonio is just 6'0 but he plays like a man amongst boys and just takes that shit away sometimes. I like guys like that who make things happen instead of just letting the ball come to them and if it doesn't then oh well. take the fucking ball as your own.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    yea we do need a WR for him. Our wrs are just pussies except for Bennet and davis.

  • In reply to Grizzly559:

    Yeah, we got Earl Bennett. And I still think ya'll underrate Olsen.

  • In reply to Mastodon:

    People seriously need to check out the Shabba reels on Youtube. It's like it didn't happen. He'll likely be gone with Davis too, their contracts are up.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    The only problem with this comparison is that the '84 Bears would've beat SF and gone to the SB if Jim McMahon had played in the Championship Game.

    McMahon being injured for the final six regular season games & postseason did them in.

    If Jim McMahon plays in '84, they probably win it all.
    If Buddy Ryan stays in '86, they probably win it all.

    The mid-eighties Bears were a Dynasty in the making . . . but for the losses of Jim McMahon & Buddy Ryan.

    The current Bears are nowhere close to that type of team.

  • In reply to GeoMak:

    GeoMark....... the op word..probably.

  • In reply to GeoMak:

    The 1986 Bear defense was, statistically, even better in '1986.
    They needed a healthy McMahon but his throwing shoulder got messed up trying to recover a bad shotgun snap in the opener against Cleveland. Charles Martin then did further damage with the infamous "cheap-shot-hit-list-body-slam" later that season.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    The '86 defense, while statistically great, was miising the 'Heat' from Buddy Ryan.

    So said Otis Wilson. I know. I have Otis on tape saying just that.

    They were unable to DOMNINATE in the playoffs, unlike 'Buddy's Boys.'

    The simple fact is this: Vince Tobin ran a 'Read and React' defense, totally counter to Buddy's 'Seek & Destroy' defense.

    Why was the '86 defense so good, in spite of the fact that Buddy was gone and Vince was now there?

    It wasn't Vince's 'X's & O's.'

    No it was this: B

    Buddy's Boys were SO good and so talented (after having been coached by the incomparable Buddy Ryan) that they could've excelled no matter WHO the DC was . . . except when it came to 'crunch time' (the playoffs).

    It was there that the Vince Tobin experiment failed MISERABLY.

    Vince's defense in 1986 gave up 27 points in ONE playoff game.

    Buddy's defense gave up 33 points in his last FOUR playoff games COMBINED in 1985/1984!

  • In reply to GeoMak:

    The abscense of healthy McMahon in the '86 post season Bears has a direct influence on those points totals.

    Without him,'86 team struggled to move the ball and score points. Doug Flutie was 11 for 31 with 2 INTs and the offense had jus tover 200 yards, total for the day. Walter had 38 yards rushing.

    I don't care how good your defense is, if your offense hangs them out to dry, especially against playoff caliber teams, they are going to suffer.

    Your own "33 points allowed" argument proves my point. 23 of those points came in 1 game against the 49ers in a game that the defense also surrendered just under 400 yards and 25 first downs, all with "Incomparable Buddy" on the sidelines. McMahon, on the other hand, was in street clothes with a lacerated kidney watching his offense rack up less than 200 total yards, zero points and allow 9 sacks.

    The common thread is McMahon's health, not Ryan's prescense.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Just quoting Otis Wilson, who was THERE! If you need the quote I'd be happy to send it to you. It's on DVD. You can hear him say it himself!

    Yes, you need offense. That's a big reason why they didn't beat SF in 1984, with Jim McMahon on the bench.

    Vince Tobin's defense in the playoffs. Let's examine:

    1986. Gave up 27 points to Washington, with Flutie at QB.

    1987. Gave up 21 points to Washington, with McMahon at QB.

    1988.

    Gave up 12 points to the Eagles (saved by the fog. Philly had 400 yard of offense, mostly in the first half before the fog rolled in). This with Mike Tomczak at QB.

    Gave up 28 points to SF with McMahon/Tomczak at QB.

    See the pattern there? Without the fog game, Vince Tobin's defense gave up 27, 21 and 28 points,with Jim McMahon playing, and also with Flutie/Tomczak.

    That's an average of 25 points per game, no matter WHO played QB.

    They averaged, in the regular season, giving up:

    11 PPG in 1986.
    17 PPG in 1987.
    13 PPG in 1988.

    That's an average of 13 PPG in the regular season. 25 PPG in the playoffs.

    TWELVE points more! That's TWO TD'S MORE, in the playoffs than in the regular season. Not Good!

    Tobin's defense simply COULD NOT DOMINATE an offense like Buddy Ryan's defense could.

    That's simple. Easy to see. To the degree Tobin succeeded with the Bears, it WASN'T cause of his laid back scheme: No, it was because he INHERITED the greatest defense in NFL history.

    Great, great players, who, with BUDDY's scheme, could DOMINATE. With Tobin, they were still such great players that they could overcome his lack of scheme to dominate in the regular season - just not in the playoffs with the INTENSITY goes way, way up!

    Sorry.

    BTW: Two coaches changed the modern game of NFL in the past quarter century:

    Buddy Ryan's 46 defense.
    Bill Walsh's WCO.

    That's what makes Buddy Ryan 'incomparable.'

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    I know I'm gonna take some heat with this statement but here goes. Cutty will never be great no matter what kind of a line we put together for him. The kid has a hell of an arm but he will never end up with the greats when it's all said and done. The best formula for the Bears as I see it, would be to build a line and do what KC does. Run the shit out of the ball and pass it when you have to. As long as we continue to sport a top notch defense, that will be how we win the Super Bowl gents.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    WOW!!! trac putting it all out there huh?

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Any particular reason WHY you feel that way?

  • In reply to Shady:

    May I Trac?

    I went to some length pointing it out on the last thread. But basically, at his age he has shown unwillingness to change. He is an inaccurate passer, even when given time. He makes poor decisions across the board. If you're throwing off your back foot aged 27, I would suggest you're never going to change, he has admitted as much himself on camera. By 27 you should already have shown signs of greatness, hell in High School you should be showing signs of greatness. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck ...

    More to the point, the onus is on those of you - particularly those of you who have denigrated Jim McMahon - to instead put forward YOUR case ... "Why Jay Cutler is great/will be great."

    Looking forward to reading them. And responding.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Jim McMahon authored one of the greatest college football comebacks in NCAA history . . . when he OPENLY DEFIED his HC (HOF'er Lavell Edwards) by sending the punt team back off the field in he 1980 Holiday Bowl.

    Edwards wanted to give up when he sent out the punter. McMahon said "F That" and promptly told his offense to stay on the field and went to the sidelines to yell at Edwards for 'giving up.'

    Edwards relented and the rest is history.

    McMahon's amazing perfromance in week three in Minnesota in 1985 help launch the '85 Bears as we know them. Without that victory they'd have then been 2-1 and much of the magic off that season would've been lost.

    They might've still won the SB, but it would never have been the same.

    I like Jay Cutler, but he's no Jim McMahon.

    Jim had the abilty to make his offensive teammates and the rest of the team believe that he'd lead them to victory, an more often than not was able to do so.

    That ability is HUGE! You can't put a price on it.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    OK, I'll bite - why will he never be great?

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Trac - i had no idea you were able to tell the future! That is fucking awesome! Can you tell me if I should buy Chinese Alternative Energy Stocks or stick with American and French Nuclear Tech providers?

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    Hardy har har.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    But seriously, if you have any stock tips, I'm all ears.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Gold. Just buy gold baby. The only thing in the world that always goes up in value.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Since we've been on this topic I thought some of you might like to see the top 20 passer ratings of all time for a career.

    http://www.profootballhof.com/history/story.aspx?story_id=3119

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    two that caught my eye....

    MARC BULGER...hmmm he would make a great backup and MENTOR!!!! GET HIS ASS NOW!!!!

    Jeff Garcia..I don't get it every team he goes to he wins, but gets cut constantly..what gives?

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    He's done - I am a season ticket holder for the Omaha Nighthawks and watched Jeff play all year from the second row. He's done.
    He used to make the starters insecure, but I don't think that would be a problem anymore.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    wow...to bad because as you said MBP...he used to make starters insecure.

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    Yep - it got so bad that we were rooting for the third stringer on a UFL roster to start over Garcia.
    That's bad.
    Of course, that third stringer is now under a futures contract with the Chicago Bears.

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    yea i agree on Bulger. make him and Hanie fight for the 2nd QB spot....while Bulger can teach Cutty the advanced nuances of Martz's system.....

    yea i can dig it.

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    40% of those QBs suck IMHO, so it kind of puts the QB ratings used in the toilet, I couldn't find the top 20 using the Aikman system. THere's no equation that quantifies greatness, there's too many things to take into consideration - that list has too much fluff on it.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    trac...I still beleive there is a deeper stituation than the surface that all seem to go too.

    1. This is his first year "THAT'S RIGHT FIRST YEAR" under Martzy, and if we look back how long did it take FUCK WARNER to figure it out? How many years?

    2. Really our recievers? yep. please be honset with yourself ..the smurfs we have are not #1 nor #2 recievers, he really has no one to throw to in a tough spot..Girly Thor is our answer?...he is a component of this system not the 'go to guy"

    3. Fourth year fourth OC..wow so where is the consitency?

    4. When he came aboard my first thread was..we need to get him a Quarterback guru...he's young and needs consitency TODAY! He needs to watch Bull Durham...

    5. When he went to the PB...Bates and Heimerdinger had started to work on mentoring this kid. they are no onger in the picture...Jay spend some $$ and get it done.

    6. I look at this as a young adolecent who found his first boner...he can't stop himself from "boxing the clown 24/7". He needs to learn that there is more than Rosie Palm and fine tune his tool and bring it to the Mother of all Beavers!

    7. Last but not least he needs to focus on all that is being said and come back a BEAT THE LEAVING SHIT OUT OF ALL THE NAY SAYERS. Take that anger and focus on becoming what all that think he can't be and that is an "Elite QB" and bringing his team to next years SB

    my .02

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    Cutty has a hard time reading defenses. Sorry but its true. That will hold him back more than anything. Probably half the sacks he took this year was because he couldn't read the defense or see the blizters standing all by themselves on the edge.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    I thought the offensive line had to pick up the blitzers or someone when the ball is snapped.

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    They can't change the play call though ... need a savvy QB to do that. I can't remember which DB said it, but they said that Mac used to change the call to an anti-blitz play BEFORE the DB moved up to the LOS - he'd see it in their eyes. Now that's an audible. If you see the heat coming and you can't use that to your advantage, then you suck as a QB. You are not helping your team.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Strong Safety Tony Peters of the Redskins used to blitz, but only if he was lined up eight yards or closer to the LOS.

    During one game McMahon called a blitz audible and threw a TD pass to Emery Moorehead.

    After watching tape the coaches told McMahon the next day that Peters was 12 yards back, not the 8 or less he'd be when he wasblitzing.

    When they asked why he audibled then, based on where Peters lined up McMahon said it was because Peters wouldn't look at him. He was looking down at the ground. That's when McMahon knew he was coming, even though he was lined up four yards further back than where he always was when he blitzed.

    Jim McMahon had the 'court/field' vision of a Larry Bird or a Wayne Gretzky.

  • In reply to GeoMak:

    Cool story!

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    In regards to FA vs. draft priorities, my theory at this point is that we need to be drafting DT first and picking up offensive line help via free agency. How many years back do we have to go to find a hit on offensive line positions via the draft? Colombo sort of doesn't count; unlike C-dub, his problems didn't start before the draft (that I'm aware of).

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    DT? I think Cornerback is a bigger issue than DT.

  • In reply to Grizzly559:

    Harris is done - we have pretty good depth at CB and you can go deeper in the draft and get relatively better talent than at DT (in my completely amateur opinion).
    To stay competitive with GB, the front four has got to get to the quarterback more. We won't get a Suh at 28th, but the 2011 draft should have plenty of DT options in the first round. Only one CB is in that discussion.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    does Mike Brown have a brother?

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    Would you settle for this guy?
    http://nflmocks.com/2010/06/19/2011-nfl-draft-scouting-report-prince-amukamara-nebraska/

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Let's talk about "Chicks Man".

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Tommie Harris got schooled in that Championship Game. Before the game, a smart Packer fan friend of mine, who's also a D2 athletic director, said GB should run at Tommie because he doesn't play the run. That turned out to be true. Some of the biggest run gaps and longest runs in the game were over Tommie. I haven't watched the game film yet, but that's what I seen from my end zone seat. I can't watch the game for another week because it still pisses me off.

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    1. Doesn't explain the inaccuracy or piss poor decisions. Nothing to do with the system there.

    2. Agreed. get Marshall for him.

    3. OC's should keep it simple. They're simple players.

    4. This is for MBP - bring in Jimmy Mac as a consultant. If Steve Yung can learn the game by watching, Jay can learn by listening. Except, that's the problem, he can't.

    5.6.7. He needs to fucking listen to SOMEBODY ... he just has never shown any inkling that he does.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    I agree, sadly, 100% Trac. But he can be good for us if we build a running team. Our greatest ever team wasn't a passing team. All is not lost.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Agree 100% Trac. We're an army of two. We've got to have something to have a war about this off-season right? Only 224 days to go before the season starts. Tee hee!

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Agree 100% Trac.

  • In reply to GeoMak:

    The primary reason that team was not a dynasty was Mike Ditka.

    And NO FUCKING WAY McMahon would have been the difference in 1984. The 49ers were much better than the Bears that season.

    In fact, the only thing that made me start to believe in the 1985 team was a long drive late against the 49ers to beat them. And as I recall, most of that was Walter.

    I really do not understand all the love for McMahon - a mediocre QB who could not stay on the field. Nice headbands tho.

  • In reply to Mastodon:

    The Niners were just awesome in fairness. Joe was the best.

    In no way was Mac mediocre. He was a winner. Most QBs in the NFL today are mediocre. He was a very good QB. Mediocre isn't fair.

  • In reply to Mastodon:

    The Bears and 49ers TWICE played when both coaching geniuses (Buddy Ryan & Bill Walsh) and both starting QB's (Jim McMahon & Joe Montana) were there.

    Once in 1983 and once in 1985.

    End result?

    The Bears won both times.

    Combined score?

    39-13.

    The 49ers didn't even score an offensive TD. Their lone TD came on a 'Pick Six.'

    Combined passing stats by Joe Montana when he went against Jim McxMahon and Buddy Ryan?

    43-72. 415 Total Passsing Yards. 0 TD's. 2 INT's.

    Yeah, I'm on pretty safe ground thinking the game between those two in 1984 would've been a WHOLE LOT DIFFERENT if Jimmy Mac had been behind center.

    The facts clearly show that to be true.

    BTW: Regarding Jim McMahon we have the words of Mike Ditka:

    "I don't care how great our defense was. I don't care how great Walter Payton was. Without Jim McMahon, we don't win the Super Bowl."

    That's a DIRECT quote!

  • In reply to GeoMak:

    BTW SC Dave.

    Just to make it easier for you. 10 months after losing to the 49ers in the Championship game in 1984 WITHOUT Jim McMahon, those same two teams played on the same field in SF in 1985, this time WITH Jim McMahon.

    Basically the same players on the same field.

    Final score this time? 26-10 Bears. Almost the exact opposite of the 23-0 score in favor of SF the year before.

    Joe Montana was 17-29 for 160 yards passing with no TD's. Their lone TD was scored by the defense on a Pick 6.

    The 49ers had 183 total yards. The lowest offensive output in the history of Bill Walsh.

    Yep. Jim Mcmahon WAS the difference in those two games. Plain & Simple.

  • In reply to GeoMak:

    And Buddy Ryan was NOT the difference.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Read my post above Albert.

    Sorry Buddy was a HUGE reason why they couldn't cut it in '86 and beyond.

  • In reply to GeoMak:

    I read it. The common missing element in '84 and '86 post seasons was, clearly, McMahon, not Ryan.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Yes. That's an intelligent comment (not really).

    Way to completely ignore the OBVIOUS stats regarding Tobin's inability to dominate in the playoffs.

    Good God, my friend. I CLEARLY showed you how Vince Tobin's DEFENSE gave up TWO TOUCHDOWNS MORE in the playoffs than in the regular season, didn't I?

    Don't believe me? Then crunch the numbers yourself.

    TWO TD's MOREEEEEE in the MOST important games of the season! That's not good, my friend.

    BTW: In the four games I referenced, the QB's Tobin's defense faced were:

    Jay Shroeder.
    Doug Williams.
    Randall Cunningham.
    Joe Montana.

    Make what you want of that list. I know what I make of it.

    Which is why Otis Wilson went off the 'Vince Tobin' style of defense.

    Have you seen/heard Wilson's comments, Al?

    If you have, are you saying you know MORE than Otis about the defense?

    If you haven't (which you most assuredly haven't) don't ya think you SHOULD, before you shoot your mouth off.

    Offense? Missing Jim McMahon.
    Defense? Missing Buddy Ryan.

    Anyone who disparages Buddy Ryan and his contribution to the Bears and the NFL overall, quite honestly, knows nothing about the NFL.

    Sorry.

  • In reply to GeoMak:

    Just a reminder that Buddy Ryan was also able to fart the alphabet.

  • In reply to GeoMak:

    "Anyone who disparages Buddy Ryan and his contribution to the Bears and the NFL overall, quite honestly, knows nothing about the NFL."

    A brilliant addition to any debate.

    I don't recall insulting you challenging your intelligence.
    The facts I presented fully support my position which is, and has been, based on based on 1984, 1985, and 1986.

    Also, I don't recall discounting or "disparaging" Buddy Ryan's prowess as a defensive coach though I have to admit,I WAS totally unaware of the talent that Wicket mentioned.

    REALLY, Wicket?
    The WHOLE Alphabet?

  • In reply to Mastodon:

    -1 on the "mediocre" remark.

  • In reply to GeoMak:

    We had the guts of a dynasty there but for Mike Fkn McCaskey ...

    Hey, is George in charge this year ??

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    And the Organ-I-Zation chased the architect of that '85 team, Jim Finks, out of town before he could enjoy the fruits of his labor.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    OL is a HUGE need in the draft that I think we will address with one of our 1st picks.

    But what we really need is a Left Tackle (LT)... and we won't be getting a blue chip LT with the 28-ish pick OR via FA. Expect that to remain a major weakness. If we resign Krutz (which I hope we do) I like the right side of our line. They came togehter. The left side, not so much. WE'll see what Tice comes up with.

    As for my 2011 surprise free agent signing... Nnamdi Asomugha (DB).

    He should be the highest paid corner in the NFL. He can't be tagged by the raiders, so he's going to be out there. He wants to play for a champion caliber D. I think he would bring our secondary into the top in the league. Say bye bye to 6 yard slant passes and you can pretty much expect every teams #1 WR to be shut down. He's young and the Bears have been willing to open the check book for big time FA/trades the last 2 off seasons. He would put us over the top on D.

  • In reply to JimmyNewport:

    "He should be the highest paid corner in the NFL"

    Maybe Jerry pulls the same shit 3 years in a row? I doubt it, but maybe. Again, if he does anything but keep going until we have a real oline first, he should be fired right there on the spot.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    +1. MB....... as for fired on the spot!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Jerry will keep on getting the old bird to write checks because he wants to keep his burning trailer on the road - where will he spend it though. Isn't Omelette on $12M a year?

  • In reply to JimmyNewport:

    Guard, specifically Left Guard has been a bigger issue protection-wise from what I've seen.
    And we can certainly draft a decent one at the 28th spot. Maybe he won't be a road grader, but he won't get blown past like C-dub does, game after game after game.
    Omiyale is the least of our worries on the left side. We may get lucky and Williams will work back into the picture at LT over OTAs.
    I don't see any way we can get Asomugha. He's a man corner and we play too much zone to commit that much money to a guy who's just going to hand off to a safety 2/3 of the time.
    I love him to death but we'd be better off spending the money on a top flight DT.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    At the end of the day a corner needs to cover. Asomugha's the best. There are no buts, you sign the dude if you have the cash.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Speaking of asshats, Cromartie's out there. Tamba Hali to sopice up our rush? Stephen Tulloch to ...ahem ...spell Urlacher? Lamarr Woodley is only 26. Ngata would be an awesome tackle in the 4-3 - imagine Izzy, Haloti, Tommie, Pep - automatic division champs.

  • In reply to JimmyNewport:

    Yep - I'd sell the kids for Asomugha.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    Agreed. After how many plays does Johnny Knox learn to not just throw up his hands in an "oh-well" gesture before he not only learns to fight for the ball, but tackle the interceptor? Johnny Knox is falling out of favor from me. Bennet and a proven big WR or stud rookie needs to start at WR with Knox as #3 and Hester as #4. Plain and simple.

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    This

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    more:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Smm9G6FBuPE

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qE0OKFrLzZQ

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    I like Dave's suggestion up top (uhem... the same one I've been making since last season).

    Lock Olsen on a practice field and a speed coach... oh and some exlax. Get him down to 225 and 4.4 and there's our other WR. Boom.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Well... why not just settle for 4.5 and let him stay at 255? Especially if someone can give him a true mean streak to be more like Jim Taylor, Mike Ditka (ya'll know I don't think much of him as a coach, but as a *player* he was damn good), or Walter.

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    He looked alot like Bernard Berrian on that interception at the half.

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    My birthday is coming up, and despite the fact that she hates football, the wife just gave me a Cutler bobblehead early because she knows how much the last loss burned.
    I got a keeper.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    nice!

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I will repaet:

    trac...I still beleive there is a deeper stituation than the surface that all seem to go too.

    1. This is his first year "THAT'S RIGHT FIRST YEAR" under Martzy, and if we look back how long did it take FUCK WARNER to figure it out? How many years?

    2. Really our recievers? yep. please be honset with yourself ..the smurfs we have are not #1 nor #2 recievers, he really has no one to throw to in a tough spot..Girly Thor is our answer?...he is a component of this system not the 'go to guy"

    3. Fourth year fourth OC..wow so where is the consitency?

    4. When he came aboard my first thread was..we need to get him a Quarterback guru...he's young and needs consitency TODAY! He needs to watch Bull Durham...

    5. When he went to the PB...Bates and Heimerdinger had started to work on mentoring this kid. they are no onger in the picture...Jay spend some $$ and get it done.

    6. I look at this as a young adolecent who found his first boner...he can't stop himself from "boxing the clown 24/7". He needs to learn that there is more than Rosie Palm and fine tune his tool and bring it to the Mother of all Beavers!

    7. Last but not least he needs to focus on all that is being said and come back a BEAT THE LEAVING SHIT OUT OF ALL THE NAY SAYERS. Take that anger and focus on becoming what all that think he can't be and that is an "Elite QB" and bringing his team to next years SB

    my .02

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    Look up lobo, I did reply.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    got it....That's why he needs a mentor..to get all that out and hone his skills

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    I did forget one thing he was under fucking turner for a year so that's like -7 he dug a hole for our kid. Yeah Turner turned out to be a great asset for Indy's WR's hhhhhhheeeeeeeehhhhhhhhheeeee

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    uhhh....Warner was the MVP and won the superbowl in his first year. 4500 yards 41 TDs. Not the greatest example.

  • In reply to brocklanders:

    greatest show on turf mang. i love watching those clips. Those receivers fucking went out there and owned defenses. True confidence.

  • In reply to brocklanders:

    Wrigley...but also had recievers to throw too.

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    I know, but you asked how long kurt warner took to figure it out. just sayin', not a good example.

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    It took Warner ONE year.

    Warner's first year as a starting QB (1999) was also Mike Martz's first year as an NFL OC.

    13-3 and SB Champions.

  • In reply to GeoMak:

    Warner had 3 hall of famers on his offense alone, 4 if you count him. I don't think anyone is mixing up Johnny Knox with Torry Holt, Bennett with ISAAC BRUCE, and Hester with Az Hakim. Oh, Ricky Proehl was awesome as well. Marshall Faulk!!! Eeek! Warner had no real excuse not to be effective. He did take it to another level though.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    The Rams had an all-pro O-line too

  • In reply to Joseph:

    Pace when he could still touch his toes...

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    Holt was a rookie in 1999. Hakim ws in his 2nd year.

    Bruce was in his 6th season. So too Faulk, who was in his 6th season in the NFL . . . his first in St. Louis.

    Warner had talent around him, but those guys working TOGETHER, along with Martz's system, is pretty much what's gong to put some of them in the HOF.

  • In reply to GeoMak:

    all great points guys...the other thing that I do beleive is he(Martzy) had a total different identity for that team..This team is built on D and I am sure that was told to him like I dunno maybe "We get off the bus running" cannot compare that O with ours...They all bought into it..not sure we ahve the skilled players to beleive yet.

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    Dick Vermeil did a fantastic coaching job in St. Louis.

    His first two season there he drove his sorry ass team into the ground. He was determined to make them into a team that was phsically and mentally tough.

    His 3rd season he brought in Mike Martz and turned complete control of the offense to him.

    Vermeil has talked about how 'helpless' he felt watching Martz call plays with reckless abandon.

    Watching, for example, Martz call a deep passing play while the Rams were inside their own ten yard line.

    It was a difficult thing for the conservative Vermeil to do: Turn the offense over to the 'High Risk, High Reward' Mike Martz.

    And then, their starting QB, Trent Green, went down in the preseason. Vermeil/Martz fought off the urge to acquire a proven back-up QB and went with the untested Kurt Warner.

    It all came together in spectacular fashion for them in 1999.

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    64.5 Brady
    60.8 Montana
    60.4 Elway
    54.6 Cutty
    51.3 McMahon

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    Nope.

    Any other takers?

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    64.5 Montana
    60.8 Brady
    60.4 Cutty
    54.6 McMahon
    51.3 Elway

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    swear to God, the only 1 i knew for sure was #6. the rest i guessed...

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    That was pretty spectacular!

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    To all the posters saying Lovie should not be extended. The only HC's that go into their last year on a contract are coaches that are on their way out and the owners are too cheap to fire them (see Fox, John). What are the assistants going to think. "Holy Fuck, we go to the NFC championship game and they leave the HC to twist in the wind! Maybe I should start shopping around for some security." Lovie isn't the greatest but he's way better than most of us give him credit. Look at his record. The players love him and would be pissed if he left (and not just because he doesn't kill people in practice). They all respect him. Who ya gonna hire to replace him? Cowher or Gruden would want total control. That means JA would be gone (a good thing). Is there any guarantees Cowher and Gruden will still be available after next year? Nope. Face it, Lovie gets extended and he deserves it.

    Now JA should be canned yesterday. He does a nice job in the later rounds of the draft. He also does a good job of building the roster to have good ST's. What he totally sucks at is job 1. Drafting studs in the first 3 rounds.

    I'm not convinced Cutler will ever be anything more than a solid QB. I'm not convinced that he won't be great (gotta love the double negatives). I have no idea. I hope he does a lot of soul searching this off season and realizes he needs to be better at PR and with his mechanics. Not to mention reading defenses. If that happens, they get a decent OL and better WR's, he could be lethal. If none of that happens, what you see is what you get.

    One last thing, how pathetic are all these old jocks (retired or soon to be retired)? All those cocksuckers that have been spouting off about Cutler are all angling for some kind of media job. I thought JA had the best quote. If that's union solidarity they've got bigger problems than dealing with the owners.

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    They need a DT if they can help it too, but the other issues are more important.
    Everybody cross your fingers that they don't extend Lovie's contract. Like him or not, he doesn't seem to coach unless he's under pressure.

  • In reply to number1ninja:

    number1ninja...agree ..wait till the end of the next year...

  • In reply to GeoMak:

    Their defense didn't suck either; it was just overshadowed by the great storyline of Mad Martz, the grocery bagger, and Faulk.
    They had a murderers row on the D-line and the secondary wasn't bad either.
    Only four teams broke 20 points against them in 2001.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    thanks for my back johnny....

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    The answer to question 1 is:

    Warner was in his 2nd year in St.Louis (and the NFL) when he exploded under Martz. That was his first year starting. He was 4-11 in his first year in the 1 game in which he appeared.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Don't bring reality into this conversation, Al.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Sorry, my bad.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I'm afraid that all this hypothesizing and wishful thinking will all be for not if the Bears continue to allow Martz to call 10x more passing plays than he does run plays. (hyperbole I know) But I was screaming at my Tv on that final drive "Just run the fckn ball one more time!!"

  • In reply to Jlehr:

    I'm not a fan of Martz at this point. On the other hand, putting Cutler in his fourth system in the last four years doesn't seem like a great idea. I'm just praying that we can fix the line, which will in turn fix most of our offensive woes. Not feeling super-confident, though.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

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  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Good woman, that one. Don't you mess up with her!

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    I was never on the Knox bandwagon and I blew the wheels off mid-season. He's a good roster guy but doesn't deserve a starting position - no way.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    He's got potential as a slot receiver. No more, no less.

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    +1

  • In reply to MASOCHR:

    Blogfader...interesting spin...I thought the same thing after seeing the pic of ..peanut on the DASITE..

    Late Bears rally falls short in tough loss:
    That pic of peanut haunts reminds me of the 1984 game against the Niners, and Sweetness sat on the bench after the game just taking in all the emotions of that game..man peanut looked just like that..I said on an early thread this maybe the spark that gets us to the next level.

    Were we lucky?..yeah maybe
    Did they play they best?..not all the time
    Could we of schemed better?..yeah
    Did we see a coaching staff that understood our talent?.. glimpses
    DId I see a Coach that seemed to learn to make adjustments?..at times
    Do we have the infrustructure of something?..I beleive so.

    ThIS team beleives in THIS coach and it's coaching style..and all the other components with this coach, so let's head into 2011 FA & Draft with knowledge of how we can move this team to the next teir.

    AND CAN I GET MY TWO GUARDS NOW!!!! and a #1 WIDE RECIEVER!!

    p.s. BEAR THE "F" DOWN!!

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    lobo: that Peanut pic gave me the EXACT same flashback to Walter.

    As an aside, no one questioned their manlihood, but I digress...

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    o.k. how about this even up...

    ViQueens have two of our 85 Bears as Coaches so we get:

    Sidney Rice
    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/582996-nfl-free-agency-2011-power-ranking-the-top-25-most-sought-after-free-agents/page/9

    I think that's fair..anyone?

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    I don't see Rice as the big physical wide out we need.

    Nobody is perfect, and I know DBB regards him as an ass-clown, but so far I like Braylon Edwards in that group.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    GP..I would agree with the Braylon Edward also. My line of thought was if Cutty and Marshall can have those numbers in Denver, well maybe he can have those numbers with Rice here.

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    I just hope that the mantra that LDL Camp puts out with our #1 WR is Hester...finally goes away.I believe Cutty may say he is but, by the way he threw two passes over Hester, shows a lot of what Cutty really thinks. It's almost like..try to catch these buddy...

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    Um, he can't catch. He is a big body with speed and all, but he is highly inconsistent and when he drops those easy passes we all will want him traded. Stay away from Edwards.

    I would pick Vincent Jackson #1 without a doubt. Santonio Holmes would be another highly regarded FA. Avoiding the regular ass-clowns, I would be Steve Breaston next. Edwards (no hands), Rice (injuries), Moss (ass-clown), Owens (ass-clown) would all be off my list completely.

  • In reply to bumble22:

    bumble wouldn't you say that Jackson been placed under ass-clown too?

  • In reply to bumble22:

    bumble wouldn't you say that Jackson been placed under ass-clown too?

  • In reply to bumble22:

    Braylon does have the dropsies ...

    Owens is a beast though. He's old, but damn, who have we got that can do what he can do?

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    It's Knox staying at #2 that worries me. Aren't wide outs supposed to be more than six feet tall? If you're going to persist with sub-par receivers then at least make them tall for the jump balls.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Edwards is an assclown first class, but he does have talent. Word is the jets can't sign him and santonio, and there going to keep santonio. I could see him being a locker room cancer though. But i could also see him tearing shit the fuck up, man.

  • In reply to MASOCHR:

    Coach...I have the feeling that LDL would not want that kind of cancer in the Locker Room..I get the feeling by the players this team is tighter than most think.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    It would make sense to hook up Cutler with Marshall again. Over 100 snags a season when they were together. Asomugha reckons he's the hardest receiver to bring down. But there are so many receivers out there this year.

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    Sidney Rice, or Vicent Jackson.

  • In reply to Grizzly559:

    Malcom Floyd?

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    Got a link of the Peanut Pic?

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    da site doc:

    http://www.chicagobears.com/index2.html

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    Haven't said it yet, but I totally agree on the two guard idea lobo. We need some maulers. A better running game, like top ten in the league, will also help in protection. The guy I love is John Moffitt from WI. A mauler who has fun destroying people, and he can also play center. We should be able to get him in the second round.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    Louis is a mauler. Asiata's a mauler. I'll go with that Moffit guy though if we can start him at center. Tackle in the first, Moffit in the second, guard in the third.

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    Lobo, it seems like we've been waiting for those two guards and a big-ass receiver since God was a boy.

  • In reply to MASOCHR:

    I like the post Jeff.

    However, I think the NFC North is going to be very tough. I think the Vikes and Lions will be contenders again. We'll see. On a side note, I must say that I do wish Jerry and Lovie gone. This was it for me. They had their final shot and we didn't make it. I know the players (Uralacher) like him but dammit we need to shake this thing up from the TOP down. I don't think neither Lovie or Jerry had anything to do with how great this season was. I think this season rests on the shoulders of the players first. Then the coordinator/coaching changes and then the lucky horse-shoe hanging in the locker room. Lovie has always been a medium level coach at best and Jerry is a retard, except maybe for the Culter trade.

    I have no real hope for next year without some change up top. I know, it's not going to happen. The draft may get us in a better position for next year. But I think, regardless of the schedule, is going to be VERY tough on the Bears.

  • In reply to Reichwolff:

    Don't expect a change at the top guys, not with the CBA issue. The BEST news that we have is that all the desirable coaching positions are filled meaning that Cowher will be there next year. DO NOT EXTEND THE THREE STOOGES (Ted, Jerry, Lovie) and let them prove it again in 2012. If they do, we can all shut up. Since they won't we bring in Cowher as GM and let him run the show. If he keeps Lovie, so be it. If not, CYA!

  • In reply to bumble22:

    Angelo's going nowhere, it would cost them a whole bunch and they'll have to hire the new guy. Won't happen. I want Maranelli to stay, couldn't give a hoot for anyone else.

  • In reply to Reichwolff:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/25/jay-cutler-injury-charles-barkley_n_813905.html?ir=Chicago

  • In reply to MASOCHR:

    Cutler's played in 3 different offenses in 3 years. Rodgers has been in the same offense for 6 years. I see Cutler improving greatly next year, if we fix that damn oline.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    I'm willing to accept his accuracy can improve, because Orton's long ball improved in Denver. But he hasn't been accurate even when he's had six seconds. I think we all know his desire to force it is hardwired into his brain.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    His accuracy was not a problem in Denver like it has been here. I think the reason might be that he's feeling phantom pressure even when he has time just because he's been knocked around so much to this point behind this line. Watch some highlights from Denver and then watch them from the past couple of years here. He plants much more in Denver and makes better passes because he trusted his line.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    Yeah, I see your point. With that Cutty upside, I hope the Packers trade Rodgers for Cutler. The Pack could throw in Jennings or Matthews to entice Angelo to make the deal.

  • In reply to Jlehr:

    The field looks a little too green to be soldier, eh? jk

  • In reply to brocklanders:

    Always the naysayer, even when joking.

  • In reply to Jlehr:

    When does all the wrangling about the CBA begin in earnest? If there is a lockout, isn't Free Agency no longer an issue until a settlement is reached?

    Yes, now I'm Debbie Downer...

  • In reply to sjvl:

    After the superbowl although the head of the NFLPA announced "this is war" just this week in an article I belive in the NY Times. So it is currently brewing. The NFL won't allow it to get off of simmer until they get paid, err, the superbowl is over.

  • In reply to bumble22:

    You're trying to do too much in one year. We need to look at defensive tackles, secondary, general depth on defense, offensive line, punter, blocking TE (its not Olsen and Davis and Bryant aren't gonna be here forever), full back, depth at RB, etc etc. But that list is for our draft the next 3-4 years.

    Next year, our priority is the O-line. We're going to probably only have one shot at a high level free agent, and that could either be a shutdown corner, a big body wide reciever, a dependable left tackle, or even a scary defensive tackle. We have to see what's available at what price, and what the rules allow. We want everything, but not in one year.

    What makes a dynasty is that you have to have a win now mentality on a yearly basis, but that you don't set yourself up for failure in the future either. We have to try to address needs in the draft, but if the players aren't there, we can't waste picks either. We can insist on picking linemen in every round this year and we could end up with 4-5 wasted picks. Do that for a couple of years running and the age issue really will start catching up to us.

    That's why I don't begrudge Angelo for picking a QB last year. I wouldn't have picked one, obviously the one we got was a bust, but everyone knew that Cutler needed a quality backup and Hanie wasn't showing up at practice. Angelo was trying to avoid Todd Collins - that was a fair decision.

  • In reply to mottystone:

    The one we took was not a bust. Dan Lefevour was incredibly productive at Cen. Mich. and is an NFL project. Unfortunately the Bears just couldn't hold a roster spot for him due to Hanie's preseason injury and the Bengals were happy to swoop in an take him.

  • In reply to JeffHughes:

    Fair enough. Bottom line is, we drafted a guy that did not play and did not stay on the roster. QB decisions have different standards than other positions in the draft, but that's not a good pick in my opinion.

  • In reply to JeffHughes:

    I don't mean to rain on the Dan LeFeFevour parade, Blogfather, but he racked the bulk of that mileage Against mid-Amarica also rans. When he stepped up in competetion, his production suffered. He came out here as a Senior and looked overmatched against an Arizona team that eventually got shut waxed by Nebraska in the Holiday Bowl.

    That said, I rather have HIM in the roster than the All-used-up-and-there-wasn't-that-much-there to-start-with, Todd Collins.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    It's academic now, but I think Dan LeFevour would have gone undrafted.

  • In reply to JeffHughes:

    And he thought Collins was the answer as a replacement - ergo he's a tool.

  • In reply to mottystone:

    Where is LeFevour now? Not here. And He changed his mind on drafting Starks to get the guy that's not here now. He got rid of the guy he drafted for an aged POS like Todd Collins? Angelo gets paid millions to be a collossally inept asshole.

  • In reply to jdawg:

    Nobody compared them to the 85 Bears. And the 84 Bears weren't great. That was the point.

  • In reply to JeffHughes:

    I'm dying to hear this ... what was the difference between the 1984 and the 1985 roster Jeff ?

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    PLAYER DEVELOPMENT.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Does anyone on this blog read it from last to first or vice/versa?
    Endless non-sequitor bullshit except for the "regulars". Christ, I'm out.

  • In reply to kenbill:

    It's a M

  • In reply to jdawg:

    http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/nba/news/story?id=6057618

    well alright, Chuckster. good look.

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    Though I usually disregard 90% of Barkley says, I'm glad there are people like him willing to stick up for Jay. I think his criticism of Jay not helping Caleb is just as unwarranted, however. I remember seeing them talking about some stuff. I also wonder, if they were afraid with too many people in his ear, he would get overwhelmed. We just don't know.

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    All it takes is money and a quick trigger finger '85

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Guess not... thanks JAB

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    Eh This ones better

    http://s1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc518/Jlehr916/?action=view¤t=P1000019.jpg

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    I think what your asking was just for last year because the CBA ran out. I don't know if it's going to happen this year or not...but I know where you're coming from.

  • In reply to TheGhostofHalas:

    Think you're right ghost. that was only for 2010. As it stands right now, there will be no FA until they agree on a new CBA.

  • In reply to robclements36:

    If you consider eagles and saints on the road as penciled losses, don't you also have to consider green bay on the road? Or are you not counting divisional games? They get Finley, grant, burnett & others back next year. They'll probably be superbowl favorites.

  • In reply to brocklanders:

    I'm also afraid of the lions at ford field next year.

  • In reply to brocklanders:

    The Lions came on strong, but still have a lot to prove before they scare me. Stafford's 5.6 YPA leaves a lot to be desired, especially for a guy who's throwing to the best WR in the league.

  • In reply to brocklanders:

    And you can yell at me for being pessimistic but whatever, I don't really care. I don't necessarily see this team progressing next year. Much of the pain from the loss on sunday came from the missed opportunity. It almost felt like we were stealing the conference with a good-but-certainly-not-great team. I mean how sweet would it have been to grab at least an NFC championship, if not the superbowl with a team that most of us considered to be .500 at the beginning of the year. We got a lot of breaks this year, you have to admit it (Packer injuries and their close losses, our health, getting the Seahawks, no tough road games....) And this team did incredibly well to capitalize on those breaks. It almost looked like it was our destiny when that ball bounced off driver's foot and landed in briggs' breadbasket. I was like "holy shit, here's our chance." But Cutler blew an opportunity to put points on the board before getting the ball to start the 2nd half. But how can we expect them to win this many games if the breaks don't fall our way next year? To we have the depth at linebacker, CB, or defensive line to keep our defense stout should the injury bug hit us? We certainly don't have much depth at QB if Collins was number 2. Hanie was pretty effective but could that be because GB didn't gameplan for him? Look what happened when Hillenmeyer had to come in for Urlacher last year. I think Chester Taylor is a great RB but i don't know what we would do if some of our other starters went down. Our starters on the O-line aren't even good enough to begin with. Peppers' health is critical. And the fact that the Packers, who have as promising a future as any team in the NFL are in our division is incredibly inauspicious. We could easily have a great year but still end up having to play on the road in the playoffs, kind of like the Saints did this year (regardless of how soft their schedule was, the point im making was they would have been 12-4 had they not dropped the last one to the bucs, and they still would have been 5th seed).

    I dunno, I just don't see it. And I get your point, but to compare them to the 84-85 bears? That was the greatest team in history. This team is painfully far from such lore.

  • In reply to brocklanders:

    Well Debbie Downer, you are probably correct when you look at Lack and Briggs age and the objective probability of making it through healthy next year, like we did this one.

    But it's constructive to look at what needs to be done to improve the team.

    That's called being a FAN. Not sure that's a moniker you bear out, but hey - that's what we call ourselves here, minus all these fucking trolls.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Debbie Downer. bwahahahah.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Jason Whitlock jus went at it on the B&B show with Dan and Terry regarding his column on Cutler. Good stuff, hopefully the podcast will be up soon, Id like to see where bloggers stand on this debate.

  • In reply to Shady:

    I heard that, I dont agree entirely with him.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Look back at your posts during the NFCC thread; according to your personal definition, you fail to deserve the moniker of fan. Perhaps, under the stress of being slaughtered by the Pack, you can be excused for this indiscretion. Throwing stones at others less guilty than yourself, however, is both hypocritical and inexcusable. Shame on you....
    Signed,
    A Fucking Troll

  • In reply to brocklanders:

    Oh Jesus Susan... why dont you just start rooting for New England already? I've been watching the Bears all my life and if there's one thing I'm sure of its that we have a better chance now to build some consistency than any other time in recent history. Who do we really have a chance of losing? We can only gain a better O-line and a receiver or two. This year was good...and a lot of fun.. but next year will be great!

  • In reply to Jlehr:

    Oh God, here we go again. Somebody calls it like it is and their fan-status immediately gets called into question. That's bullshit. Jeff's post apart from recycling last year's roster needs was pie in the sky. 1984? Please Louise. We are so far away from being one of the greatest squads ever it's ... it's ... am I even saying this ... do I need to explain how far away from the '84 team we are? Really? Is there a hidden camera in here ?

    Wrig was perfectly correct. We were extremely lucky this year - that's not even debatable. Injuries, game incidents ...

    Imagine what the Packers would be like if they get as lucky with injuries as we were this year ...

    This team is getting older, not younger. The core is done. Toast. The rebuilding phase has to cover an entire roster thanks to Angelo's perennial incompetence.

    If everybody has to come out with rah-rah positive reinforcement statements like some corporate fucking cook-out then let's all go over to Stuart Smalley's house and have a circle jerk ...

    This year was our chance - doesn't anyone get that? That's why they pushed all-in on Peppers. The roster is one year older next year, one step slower. Two more years max, and all those marquee names you're so used to are gone. That's not Debbie Downer-ism, that's a fucking fact.

  • In reply to brocklanders:

    Hold on... jeez. I actually like having Wrig around as a Bear fan counter-point since none of these fucking packer assholes are intelligent, mature, or classy enough to provide that.

    Let's not jump down his throat, he certainly speaks for ALL of our back-of-mind fears, no?

    The injury bug hits this team and we are in deep trouble, that IS a fact.

    Say what you will but the one dude that I've been HUGELY impressed with is Ted Thompson... or whomever does their personnel side. For fuck sake, they have someone over there who so gets talent it

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Agreed MB, I really can't tell if Wrigley is a Bear fan or not but he at least makes some intelligent counter points unlike some of these butthole Packer fans that come on here to talk trash and the best they can come up with is "the bears still suck". Clever you inbred bitches.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/01/25/lockout-will-unlock-a-new-universe-of-cheating/

    This is interesting to me. I have to wonder what the Bears will be doing in the off-season and who the leaders will be. You have to figure resigning Kruetz is essential to keeping the line in shape because he'll be handling those practices...

  • In reply to mottystone:

    As my 9th grade football declared in a very un-Lovie-esque manner:

    "Win if you can, lose if you must, but always cheat cheat cheat!"

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    That's what I'm talking about MB. They had a first year punter who was used as a lethal weapon. A frakkin punter ...

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Da' Bears better keep their grubby paws off of the Packers Director of Football Operations, Reggie McKenzie. Look elsewhere, you lusting bastards!

  • In reply to brocklanders:

    Thanks Jeff -- I was waiting for a post to get us past the wailing stage.

    I feel the same about the Cutler rally.
    I hope Tice isn't hired as an OC somewhere
    Yes, spend the money. In a perfect world we sign a stud left guard and see if Tice can sprinkle some magic LT dust on Williams. Maybe he can flop him and Webb, since Webb has the build of an NFL LT. Maybe they can get a waiver from the NFL and put Williams on steroids, not to make him stronger but to make him crazy!

  • In reply to brocklanders:

    Personally, I wouldn't pencil either of those in as losses. Vick came crashing back down to Earth at the end of the season, and still has never beaten the Bears. New Orleans looks like they could be a franchise on the decline. I'd bet quite a bit that we'll win at least one of those. Agree that at Green Bay looks more like a loss.

  • In reply to Ufficio:

    Seriously.. I don think I've ever seen a bandwagon get so full and then so empty that quick. Vick had his flash of success but without serious improvements in his conditioning I dont think he can do 16-18 games.

  • In reply to Jlehr:

    Not to mention that Lovie is 3-0 against Sean Payton in his career, with all three being very meaningful games for the Saints.

  • In reply to Jlehr:

    One more comment that must be said... extending Lovie and Jerry is just wrong. We all wanted them (and Ted) fired after last year. This was one pretty good season. Note, 11-5 didn't even guarantee a playoff birth in 2009 in the AFC. We rushed to give Lovie big dollars after 2005 and then watched the team disappear for 4 years. We shouldn't make the mistake again. We spent over $100M on players and that bought us a NFC North crown. Let's see them do it again before we pay and extend them. Am I nuts here?

  • In reply to bumble22:

    I don't think anyone on here will argue with you about that. Doesn't make sense.

  • In reply to bumble22:

    yea i agree...wait it out until contract expires. but Angelo? he's got this draft to prove all those other fuck-ups were b/c he kept drinking whiskey at 4 at night, taking advice from the "magic 8-ball." he fucks this one up, he needs to be packing his shit.

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    Jesus FQ, why in Dog's name give hi ANOTHER fucking draft to fuck up? I got one word for Jerry fucking Angelo....

    HEGONE!!!!!!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    b/c he brought in Jay Cutler & Julius Peppers (that's gotta count for SOMETHING). a great draft here (not good, not average) would exonerate him for all the fucked up drafts (b/c now...our squad has a chance at legit playoff consistency).

    b/c of reality and not for what we all want, we have to put some faith in him (albeit VERY LITTLE). yea...i'm scared too, MB

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    It certainly does count for something .... it counts for two first rounders and a third round draft pick ... and our perfectly capable starting QB ... and about $91M and change, $40M guaranteed. What have we gotten for our investment? A slightly improved pass rush I'm told, although I haven't seen it in the last month or so. It got us an inaccurate, stubborn QB who makes poor decisions but has a big arm. Both of whom have us leverage up to the tonsils in the expectation that they turn around the entire organisation. So there's that.

    A great draft here cannot and does not fix the previous seven ...

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    lol easy to look at the negatives after your favorite team just went to the NFC Championship when everybody (and probably including yourself) said the team would go 6-10. i mean god damn irish....you're acting like those signings are hogwash....

    is it because of the weather in Lucky Charm land that makes you so pessimistic? b/c the sun out there is as rare as a "pot o' gold" means you have to look at the bad? and what if the Bears would have went to the SB? "o yea...we got lucky, but next year? we're going to get beat down."

    dude...gotta take the good w/ the bad too.

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    Not once did Obama mention the Bears in his State of the Union ok?
    Not once did Obama mention Rham in his State of the Union.
    Not once did Obama mention the O-line, the need of WR's, Cutler, Angelo, Lovie or anything Bears.

  • In reply to kenbill:

    Commie bastard!

  • In reply to kenbill:

    If we had won Sunday, I would have not been surprised if there had been some type of comment or allusion to the Bears. He knew it was a Cheesehead making the response, after all..

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    Obama sounds like John Lennon - Come Together - fuck John Lennon and Yoko as well.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    As always MB, took the words right out of my mouth. It's like women giving their cheating men that 8th last chance ...

  • In reply to bumble22:

    I've always been ambivalent Lovie, I don't think anybody has changed their minds about Angelo.

    ~maybe~ give Lovie a short extension(I can't think of any other available candidates, Cowher isn't gonna happen), but Angelo can get fucked

  • In reply to bumble22:

    -Especially considering some of the horrible coaching decisions in the Championship Game.

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    I'm still pissed off about the coaching in THE GAME. Can't get myself to watch the game and break it down.

  • In reply to bumble22:

    Well said. Luck got them over-achievement this year and hid a dangerously shallow roster. Whatever about Lovie, Angelo is a mess, but they aren't going to pay off his contract.

  • In reply to Jlehr:

    That's cool, they have Kolb.

  • In reply to Ufficio:

    Realistically, 15 of those games are lose-able. No suckers outside the Panthers. And if they pick up Orton ...

  • In reply to robclements36:

    We have a big fast guy that has pretty good hands. His name is Olsen. Move him to wideout and put Kellen Davis in at TE.

  • In reply to Mastodon:

    that's why I love you Dave... soooo logical!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Nothing you ain't said already MB. But thanks anyway!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Here's the completion percentages...
    64.5 - Montana
    60.8 - Brady
    60.4 - Cutler
    54.6 - Elway
    51.3 - McMahon

    So let's take Brady and Cutler and compare their fifth year stats a little closer (leaving out a huge discrepancy in scrambling yards in favor of Cutler):
    3,692 yds 7.8 avg 28 tds 14 picks 26 sacks
    3,274 yds 7.6 avg 23 tds 16 picks 52 sacks

    The guy got hit twice as much on 42 fewer dropbacks and put up comparable numbers across the board after one year in the system to a guy who was already being hailed as HOF material.

    Sorry to harp on this but there's been alot of statements tossed around with little factual basis.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    MBP,

    Really cool shit. But why should we let facts get in the way of analysis? I mean, all I ever hear is that Cutler has huge potential but forces throws, is stubborn, and didn't talk to John Elway! Next time I hear this I'm just going to say, he's tracking with Brady and ahead of Elway after five seasons. The more I think about this, the more I see that it is just REALLY true that the media has decided to spin this narrative about Cutler just because he won't talk to them, and because most fans are idiots, and don't do the admirable job of looking up stats that you did, they believe them.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    How many head coaches does it take to win an NFC championship and Superbowl for Crissakes?

    Fire Lovie - Shitcan Angelo - back up the goddam truck then.

    Jesus the shit is un-Bear-able.

    Bite me.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    +1

    Nice job Browny.

    Fuck the haters.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Great..GREAT video by Your Boy Roy showing when Cutler actually hurts his knee. Everyone in this blog needs to watch this...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmqOSu0Ngz8

    I freakin love Jay Culter. I will go on the say he's THEE toughest QB in the league today. Give him and O-line, a true WR or two, and more than one year in the same Offense with the same OC and watch this still YOUNG QB become a premier QB in the NFL for years to come.

  • In reply to Dustflo:

    Roy points out that bad-ass forearm shiver to Walden to begin the third quarter.
    Love that play.

  • In reply to Dustflo:

    And I don't think any of us could disagree with that. Trusting Angelo to do that though .....

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    What's your point? Cutler is greater than John Elway and Jim McMahon based on a single season percentage completion sta that doesn't take into account rosters, systems or a million other factors? No, he isn't, he just plainly isn't. Numbers can tell you anything you want them to tell you. Eyeballs not Numbers place QBs in the ranks of greatness. Cutler hasn't done anything other than rack up a pro-bowl and a division title that his defense led him to. Why do you denigrate a Bears legend like McMahon and hold a torch for a guy who hasn't achieved anything yet. McMahon cost us a first round pick, Cutler cost us two, plus a 3rd and a starting QB. He has a lot to repay and hasn't earned the BJs you're giving him.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Life is a too short for me to write an essay hon how random and bad your 'analysis' is Mike, nut let me at least point out that McMahon played 6 games during his 5th season. I notice for example that you picked the 5th year - McMahon's injury ridden and statistically worst year. Like I said, numbers can be shown to prove anything. Your deflections don't change the fact that Cutler is inaccurate. No way McMahon misses those open receivers on Sunday. Just no way. He has *never* shown football smarts, McMahon was full of 'em. I resent the slagging off of a Bear legend in order to defend a guy that still has to pull his weight and repay the very large price we paid for him. NAd I'm not hating on Cutler - looking at you Doc - I'm just saying he ain't all that. He's talked the talk but hasn't walked the walk.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    And Jim McMahon won a SB in his fourth season so I don't get where the hell one season's comp % has anything to do with anything. Brady had three Lombardi's withing in 5 years so I don't see how Cutler can even be mentioned in the same breath as legends.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Fine, Irish, enjoy wallowing in the misery of knowing that every good QB plays on another team or is long since retired. Lord knows that McMahon sure lit it up in 1985. His completion percentage that year was a whopping 56.9 by the way. And I have the whole season on DVD so I can watch the legend make terrible decisions and great plays all on my own.
    The suggestion that I picked his worst statistical year, and not Cutler's current year, is another indication of this unhealthy obsession with the guy.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    The point...one more time...is that this "inaccuracy" crap is just not true. And of the five QBs I listed, two of whom are indisputably at the top of the position, only Montana was lighting the league on fire by his fifth season.
    Cutler's progressing just fine for a 27 year old NFL QB, particularly one who's had to play in three fundamentally different systems in the last three years.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Okay, this is WAY late but Irish...Say what you want about Cutler, but please oh please NEVER refer to Kyle Orton as a "Perfectly capable starting QB" ever again.

  • In reply to A7Xthebest:

    If the Bears build a line and get some bigger targets they could win the Super Bowl with Kyle Orton. Jay needs help and can't win the big one by himself. We need stability in the passing game. I don't think there is a Bear fan that doesn't know this . I think all Irish is saying is that Orton gives an offense stability.

  • In reply to A7Xthebest:

    He was the NFL's leading passer this year til he got hurt. What was wrong with Kyle? If it was a straight swap, I'd keep Cutler. But Orton wasn't bad, man, any of you guys think Orton wasn't capable? The basic thing wasn't who's the better QB - but who would the three guys we drafted be if he was still here. That we can never know, so it doesn't really matter. Imagine they were spent on two O-linemen and a big receiver though. Would that plus Orton have us at least as good. Surely.

    I was ragging on Cutler after the game, but it was a tough loss and I'm sure we all feel bad. Anyone but the Packers. I'll leave him alone now, I want him to succeed. I just have a bad feeling about the draft and Angelo maybe only getting us one starter on the line. If the first pick is anything other than the line ... I don't know ... then we could get Cor's guy Mofitt and then I don't care what happens.

  • In reply to A7Xthebest:

    He was the NFL's leading passer this year til he got hurt. What was wrong with Kyle? If it was a straight swap, I'd keep Cutler. But Orton wasn't bad, man, any of you guys think Orton wasn't capable? The basic thing wasn't who's the better QB - but who would the three guys we drafted be if he was still here. That we can never know, so it doesn't really matter. Imagine they were spent on two O-linemen and a big receiver though. Would that plus Orton have us at least as good. Surely.

    I was ragging on Cutler after the game, but it was a tough loss and I'm sure we all feel bad. Anyone but the Packers. I'll leave him alone now, I want him to succeed. I just have a bad feeling about the draft and Angelo maybe only getting us one starter on the line. If the first pick is anything other than the line ... I don't know ... then we could get Cor's guy Mofitt and then I don't care what happens.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    I like KO, but I submit he's on I.R. long before he's around long enough to absorb 57 sacks.

  • In reply to A7Xthebest:

    Having just watched the highlights of SB XXIV SF v DEN and the performance of John Elway ... yes, there is indeed hope for Jay Cutler. John did not look good to say the least.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Elway was good but I do think he was over hyped. He hated to lose, I'll give him that.

  • In reply to A7Xthebest:

    Irish, man I've been reading a long time but I've never heard you this negative. This loss really got to you didn't it? What helped me was taking a day to not even think about it. I calmed down and thought about what a great surprise this season was.

  • In reply to jbenton:

    I'm with you Jab. I enjoyed (almost) every game and loved to watch them win, particularly when no one said they would. I am bummed too, but can see the bright side.

  • In reply to jbenton:

    Yeah, I've calmed down now. It had to go somewhere, and yes, you're right, I wasn't expecting to get so far. But the closer you get the more it hurts - without that last pick, I was feeling overtime, and then, who knows? Damn.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    God, you are being dense.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    New helmet saves Rodgers head...

    I say, it cost us a trip to the Super Bowl.

    http://www.nesn.com/2011/01/aaron-rodgers-avoids-third-concussion-during-nfc-championship-thanks-to-new-helmet.html

  • In reply to sjvl:

    I'd have to say our horrific o-line, getting out classed on special teams, bad play calling did a better job. Rodgers was terrible sans the first couple drives of the game or so.

  • In reply to jbenton:

    True, but it couldn't have hurt. Could have provided the boost or spark we sorely needed Sunday.

  • In reply to sjvl:

    If we need the opposing QB to have a concussion for us to beat them then we don't deserve to win.

  • In reply to mikemuadib:

    Oh come on, just having some fun.

  • In reply to sjvl:

    Fair enough. I just lived in WI for awhile and had to watch us suck against the Pack for a long time there. Just sick of their organization seeming to always be so stacked with depth and we are terrified of even having 1 injury.

    I don't see how people are defending JA so much on here. It's easy to sign FA's. Stein does the hard part it seems and is awesome at his job. Early round drafting is where you get most of your starters and he SUCKS at it. 4th rd and later defensive advisor only.

  • In reply to sjvl:

    Fair enough. I just lived in WI for awhile and had to watch us suck against the Pack for a long time there. Just sick of their organization seeming to always be so stacked with depth and we are terrified of even having 1 injury.

    I don't see how people are defending JA so much on here. It's easy to sign FA's. Stein does the hard part it seems and is awesome at his job. Early round drafting is where you get most of your starters and he SUCKS at it. 4th rd and later defensive advisor only.

  • In reply to jbenton:

    To everyone that thinks a critical analysis of Cutty is being a hater then you don't know what objectivity is and you will continue to be sorely disappointed until he works on his mechanics and studies his ass off watching game film. Until he does this, he will not improve in the area's that he needs to. In reading some scouting analysis's prior to being drafted the thing that jumped out at me more than anything is that all the negatives that were brought up by the scouts about his poor tendencies are still there. Here's a small exert from one such report. Pretty much everyone who scouted him saw this about him.

    Cons: Passing accuracy is his biggest con for him. He tries too hard to make something happen and throws off balance or into tight coverage. He needs to either throw it away or scramble with discernment. Otherwise, he has all the tools for the NFL. If he gets with a team with weapons already in place, he will probably have a better first couple of seasons than other top prospects.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Wow. That's exactly how I feel about him. It's not hating. I loved him, now I just accept him.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    And the BJ comment? Kiss my ass. Your analysis is "god, we're so lucky - we're going to blow next year".
    Thanks for the contribution.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    McMahon.. wtf he is an awful QB. Hell Orton is a better QB than that pompous ass. I would rather compare him to Kramer if you have to pick a bear qb.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    some things people forget about McMahon, he was a smart q.b. (crazy off the field), had 70 ncaa passing records in college, 2 years ago Peyton Manning just beat his record of 23 or 24 consecutive wins as a starting q.b., and is still top 15 I believe in winning percentage as a starter. His career could have been different if his throwing shoulder wasn't destroyed by Charles Martin. McMahon helped win us a super bowl, no one can say differently. He led comebacks and had the respect of his teammates. He tied the super bowl t.d. rushing record against the patriots as well.

  • In reply to robclements36:

    Respect. The dude was just a born winner. His throwing completion percentage in 1986 is like saying Jebus used to have really smelly farts.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    We have to ride this out with the coaching staff we have; too late to make a change; that should have been last year; Cutler will never improve if given yet another OC. He may not anyway.

    The controversy will be a critical point - either Jay will use it to foucus on leading us back to the NFC Championship, or he'll crawl in a corner and sulk. Don't criticize me for saying that. Ultimately he has to show leadership instead of sitting back letting his teammates come to his defense. He doesn't have to pander to the media - a nice "F*CK YOU" to the media and players criticizing him would do just fine.

    Big needs are simple - OLine and a tough true #1 receiver. But even that may be too much to ask for.

    Martz has too much power - if Collins was #2 because he doesn't liek Hanie then maybe it's time for Lovie to leak that to the press so he gets the heat he deserves. That is the WORST decision ever.

    I read several weeks ago that Collins was back at being #2. Why did the press not make an issue of this? They really fell asleep at the switch.

  • In reply to Mastodon:

    was this posted before? sorry i it was:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8k4sM4U8yI

  • In reply to Mastodon:

    Theres times JA frustrates me, but fact is we have had a good team making the playoofs, and a superbowl appearance. He jumped up to Cutlers defense and called those other players out! I thought it was top notch and showed some character. When we needed OL he got Tait,Garza and Fred "the jaw." He got us Cutler and Peppers and Chester. A lot of the players he took that didnt pan out I was all for. The numbers and research pointed to the player, but for whatever reason it didn't work. I think JA is in the top 25% of GM's out there. May not be Ozzie Newsome, but far from the bottom. Ya never know what ya got till its gone. Just my opinion.

  • In reply to iamndmurff:

    Jesus Murph. You just broke my heart mang.

    Honestly?

    I only have this... we, on a fucking blog, all knew that we desperately needed three things last year:

    * Oline
    * At least one "real" WR
    * D Backfield

    He got us harris and manning stepped up like none of us imagined... but how about the other 2? That's all I need to know man. Honestly, how do you just ignore that 2 years in a row. Yeah, he may not be al fucking davis, but we ain't the raiders either. If he doesn

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Jerry produced results, sort of. The Bears made it to the title game after sitting at home scratching their nuts for 3 years. 2 of those 3 years we had MAJOR injuries. One year we choked against Atlanta and missed the playoffs because of it. All in all, things are looking up. If we went as far as we did with the spam we had on the line, wait till the Bears put together a line. Things are looking up boys, things are definitely looking up.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    I totally agree trac, but I think that's exactly my point. What has to happen for JA to aggressively address an already glaring deficiency? Jay to get killed... well, he almost did AGAIN this year.

    I just don't get the love for a guy who only GM's the right way after it's totally and painfully obvious to everyone else, and if he doesn't risks losing his gig. I know that I don't want a GM like that.

    The net is... how much MORE would things be looking up if we had GB's or NE's or even the Seahawk's (yes, they may still be shitty overall, but they made vast and aggressive improvements this year) personnel guy(s)?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Don't forget, we practically cleaned house in coaching staff. The new guys had no idea that what Lovie considered to be a good mix of talent would turn out to be squirrel meat. If we were just talking about Lovie, Turner, Babich and Jerry I'd be very worried. Thank goodness we actually have real talent in the coaching ranks now. I think that's the part of the equation you're leaving out MB.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    I leave it out because none of us know how much of an impact they'll be allowed to have. Right trac?

    I know you know this about me, but I tend to be more of a science guy rather than a faith guy... and I have zero faith in Jerry Angelo making good personnel decisions. I base that judgement on historic proof, not future hopes and dreams.

    That said, it's a logical argument, and I can only HOPE and DREAm that it comes true and that for the first time since he's been GM, we have a fully successful draft and FA season (no, this doesn't mean every one of his picks are pro bowl HOFers... it means that he needs to make good, smart decisions, and hopefully his usual luck will add to that as well)

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Results oriented science right? Wouldn't you say reaching the conference finals was quite a bit more than blind faith. Look at this last seasons performance as the 2nd qtr phase of Jerry's big plan. Phase 1- Cutty, Phase 2- new coaching hires and Pepper etc., Phase 3- up coming draft and FA market, Phase 4- Super Bowl Champs next year? Can you see it MB? I can.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    No sir. Like the saints last year... you only get to cash in on one year of destiny in a long while. I recon this was one of thems

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    It was blind luck on the injurt front. How many starters could we afford to lose before the wheels come off entirely? Two?

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Martz can eat my sack. He's not Ron Turner, but he's something else. If KC turn the same line around to be league leaders by coaching alone then I want to see excellent results next year - here's the thing, maybe KC's line had the talent in the first place ...

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    By the time the BEars put a line together Trac, the following people are not at the races : Urlacher, Briggs, Peanut, Izzy, Peppers, Kreutz, Garza. What's the trophy called that you get for not winning anything?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Man, a day later and I am already sick of this Cutler toughness shit by the Tribune and Sun-Times. I don't give a shit what Lebron James thinks of Jay Cutler's toughness. Seriously WTF!?!?!

    I was pissed at Cutler Sunday night and even into Monday morning, but it is starting to get old. The more I have thought about the situation the more I side with Cutler. He has shown his toughness all year behind our shitty O-line. The fact that Lach, Pepps and the rest of the team went to bat for him is all I need.

    Enough with the stories about Cutler on Chicago Breaking Sports, I don't care why Betty White is questions his toughness.

  • In reply to Vicp71:

    That's not what your girlfriend said

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    toughness or stiffness?

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    betty white snickers commercial lobo. Family's good btw, thanks for asking my man. Little guy is sleeping through the night now (well, 7 hrs at least) and it's only 10 weeks tomorrow. So I'm happy.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    are you shitting me 10 weeks already? damn!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    MB, he'll be surfing in no time.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    yes sir!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    glad to hear it, mb30...nice work on the sleep schedule!

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    The Pats are consistent. The Colts. The Eagles. Rothlisberger's going for his third super bowl and he's still a young man, so there is consistency out there. I just want a superbowl. Why does a little mining town get 6, about to be 7, and Chicago gets one ?

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Ownership, Irish.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    5th year completion percentages - I left off the yardage totals to keep things fair.

    64.5
    60.8
    60.4
    54.6
    51.3

    Pick out Elway, McMahon, Brady, Montana, and Cutler. And then tell me he's inaccurate, he wings the ball all over the place and we know that he's not going to be great.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    hee hee, i feel like this is a trick question. Seriously though, when the fuck does the season start?

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    Not soon enough, Waffle, not soon enough...granted we need a couple of months for rehab, but still.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    224 days.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    He's inaccurate, he wings the ball all over the place and we know that he's not going to be great.

    The legends you mentioned all won Superbowls for their clubs by the way, and he doesn't belong in the same paragraph as them.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    So did Trent Dilfer. What's your point?

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Irish...at first I was going to say it's because we have cheap owners but then I stopped myself, for I have heard Pits throws nickel's around like manhole-covers also.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Where were all three of those teams in the Conference championship games this year?
    Only Indy was in there last year.
    Pittsburgh is always there because they have a HOF defensive coordinator and the most loaded defensive roster of the decade.
    It doesn't hurt to play Cleveland and Cincy twice a year either.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    cincy....Palmer anyone, Benson anyone, T.O. anyone

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    Blech.

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    Who do you guys want to draft this spring? I like the other half of the Pouncey twins. Plays guard and center, Olin can mentor him and I think we are good for another 10 years. Clay Mathews brother? Great genes for sure and a pretty damn good player.

  • In reply to iamndmurff:

    you know i'm all over the Matthews boy.

  • In reply to iamndmurff:

    He isn't as good as his brother or at center

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    I know that for sure, thats why I said do some time with Olin as a mentor. Not many centers right out of college are as good as his brother. But good attitude and good football genes go a long way. The kid is a player!

  • In reply to iamndmurff:

    Good football genes... so we should just hire the other Manning brother to be our backup QB. That shit has nothing to do with it; my brother is in a heavy metal band as a lead guitarist and I can't play a recorder. There is a lot more nuture at play than nature with sports ability.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/judd-sirott-just-bloggin-from-the-booth/2011/01/why-bears-fans-should-be-infuriated.html

  • In reply to brocklanders:

    That read like a haiku...I take it he doesn't get paid by the word.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Atleast Andy Reid always gets to the post-season. He's a couple of players away from a Super Bowl team. yes, the NFC is always there for the taking, but not by us, and the window is closing in case anybody hasn't noticed. The theme song for the Bears is "Time" by Pink Floyd.

    * 2010 Bears could become the 1984 Bears ? Whoa Nelly ! Not unless we magically inherit a completely new and awesome offensive line. Not unless we come across a smart, winning QB and an all-time legendary running back. Definitely not unless we come across some All-Pro DTs and HOF-level Ends, another awesome outside linebacker and some very solid defensive backs somewhere.

    * The schedule looks easy? Looks brutal to me. The only gimme I see on the whole schedule is the Panthers game. The Vikings are an unknown quantity going forward. The Lions are good and getting better. Our defense is old and getting older. How do we rebuild that AND the offensive line? Answer: you don't.

    * The Clown Car have already stated quite clearly that they're happy with our receivers. The clown car rarely admits they're wrong - it would be surprising if the went out and got a big receiver in FA. Yes, the roster weaknesses are easily identifiable - always - but Angelo is our GM and doesn't address them, or puts in ramshackle fix-ups as a stop-gap. Why should that change in the off-season?

    * The Jay Cutler rallying cry? Does he have one? He's got a comical shrug and a sulk face, but I've never seen anything approaching leadership from the guy, not outside a locker room anyways. I've seen the pout, the dropped head, the sulks, the rampant desire to throw an interception as quickly as possible after the last one, the refusal to change anything about his game whatsoever - and heard him be adamant about how that was the way it is. Rallying cry? Nope.

    * J'Marcus Webb is too big and slow to be a tackle or anything else. In pass protection he just cannot move quickly enough. He is not a 'developmental' case. You can't teach speed (although you can lose weight). Omiyale is no one's idea of our Left Tackle. No to both tackles. Garza and Kreutz are at the very end of their careers. Williams? It was his first year at guard, I don't have a strong opinion on him, but don't like what I've seen, maybe in run blocking he has some worth (ditto Webb). That's basically a new line we need. That's years.

    * Brian and Julius are very nearly finished as top-tier performers. The slow-down in Urlacher was very noticeable against the Packers, although he had a great second half.

    * Offensive line is *not* the only issue. They're everywhere. Think the LB position is safe? Who are our backups? Last season I asked where aour backups were at LB after they 86d Jamar. Bang! Down goes Urlacher - out for the year. Enter Hattie Hillenmeyer and his handbag of death. When does Urlacher's heir apparent get drafted? That's a first round pick right there. And we have to rebuild our line right? With what? Third ... fourth round picks? There's too many leaks in the boat. A well built team has first and second rounders in position. We keep drafting safeties because we didn't draft the right guy high enough. This is not a quick-fix thing. You don't ahve a guy like Angelo fuck you over for eight years and then 'suddenly fix things' - certainly not with the same idiot in charge who has put you in this position in the first place. The '84 squad was carefully put together by Jim Finks - the right guy at every spot. We have a roster full of crap.

    In my best Jim Mora : '84 team?? Playoffs??? Playoffs?

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    We have a roster full of crap that was one TD away from the Super Bowl with our 3rd stringer in.
    What the fuck are you talking about, Irish?

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I'm talking about the roster that if you take 13 players off of it there's no way in hell we'd be in the Super Bowl like a certain team are. I'm talking about the crap starters on the line, the semi okay DBs, the bullshit receivers, the zero depth anywhere - wait, TE - we have depth there. That roster of crap, Mike. Compared to the Packers, we have a crap roster. Arguments to the contrary please, I could use a good laugh right now. "We have a good roster because ...."

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    And there were 28 rosters that were sitting at home last weekend. No one is making the argument that we don't have positional strengths and weaknesses but you act like the whole roster is shot. If the roster sucked as mightily as you believe it does, healthy or not, you don't end up hosting the NFC championship game.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    holy shit Irish. You'd think we went 5-11 this year like you predicted.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    dude...it's pointless to read his posts. just start reading when the season starts again.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    We played like a 5-11 team for most of it.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Check out Roy's new video...

    I can always count on him to help make me feel better about life and worse about my knee-jerk reactions.

    http://www.youtube.com/user/sportsfansnetwork

  • In reply to JohnGalt:

    thats our fucking qb mang. that is a tough bastard.

  • In reply to JohnGalt:

    we have to find a way to get Roy's video to the main media outlets so we can squash this shit right now. i'm going to work on that tomorrow. It's obvious he hurt it and then aggravated it again with 4 minutes left in the half.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    I say we all spread the word. Whata ya say homies?

  • In reply to JohnGalt:

    great vid!!!

  • In reply to JohnGalt:

    Ohh my god...have you guys seen these yet? There's a whole goddamn series of these!!! Funny shit

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09gngyUlw_0&feature=related

  • In reply to Joseph:

    Made my day!

  • In reply to Joseph:

    Trac, the quick story about Kretuz and the Web is funny. I lol.

  • In reply to JohnGalt:

    Hhahahahaha

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrP9jaKKAIg&feature=related

  • In reply to JohnGalt:

    just sent to the knobs at the three letter network a link to our boy roy..told them to listen to a real analysist.

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    Good for you Lobo, nice one.

  • In reply to Vicp71:

    At least I know what to get Coach for his birthday: http://www.uncrate.com/men/culture/drinks/ron-de-jeremy-rum/

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Ted Thompson has proven to be a great GM, but I don't think you'd like him if he was ours....at least not until years down the road. When you beg the GM go "go get O-line help," and "go get a WR," etc... Jerry Angelo is one of the few GMs that just goes out and gets people. Ted Thompson couldn't be further from the type of GM that goes out and fills needs in the off-season. Ted thompson has proven to be incredibly successful, but he's done it his own way, a way was initially criticized heavily by media and fans - Fans like you (no offense, most of us our like this) that clamour for glaring needs and scream "Sign this guy! Draft that guy!"

    I'll give you some examples.

    2008.... Packers were coming off their upset loss to the Giants in the NFC title game. Most draft boards had the packers taking CB (because of woodson's and al harris' age [as well as plaxico owning harris), and then O-line. They traded down a few spots and took Jordy Nelson in the early second. They took a no name guy at what was considered already to be the deepest position they had. They left CBs like antoine cason and brandon flowers on the board. They also drafted Brian Brohm later that round, and Matt flynn in the 7th. (aaron rodgers was entering his first year as a starter).

    Jordy Nelson has been a solid contributor for Green Bay and you'd probably say that was a pretty good pick, although definitely not spectacular. But the point is that it's the kind of pick that just makes the fanbase go "goddammit" because it's not an exciting pick, and it doesn't address the needs that anxious fans have been up in arms about all offseason.

    The Packers offensive line has been aging and pedestrian for several years, and they were awful last year. Finally Ted addressed this by taking Bulaga in the first round last draft but they writing was on the wall for the packers' O-line before last year. Thompson took Raji in the 2009 draft because he loves DT depth, and obviously Raji is a great player. DT was not a need, but he took raji anyways instead of taking a Tackle or trading down and taking one later.

    Free Agents? in his 5-6 years as GM, the only significant FA signing he has is Charles Woodson. (What a move that proved to be, especially since no one else wanted him at the time.) The next biggest FA signing he's ever had is probably brandon chillar. He's gotten a lot of guys off the street, like tramon williams, sam shields, erik walden, james starks, frank zombo, but they were all nobodies at the time. He got ryan grant off a practice squad for a 6th rounder. Pretty much everyone else on that team is a draft pick, and many of them are 3+ rounders.

    The packers have had a pretty crappy special teams unit for as long as I can remember. They finally got masthay who turned out to be pretty good, but I remember packers fans screaming for the last 3 years for a punter that wasn't absolutely horrendous. Ted just works at his own stubborn pace, and fortunately for his sake he is successful, because he's always working against his critics. His fans now have just learned to trust him. They know he's going to pick, draft, or trade for some obscure name or someone completely opposite of who the prognosticators assume, and everyone will just kind of scratch their head. But now that he has had so many gems that have flourished, people finally jsut give him the benefit of the doubt. But even still, the fanbase gets frustrated. A perfect example of why I don't think you'd like Ted Thompson was the GB running back situation earlier this year. After Ryan Grant went down, and it was obvious that GB could not be effective at in the run game, the packers were presented with a perfect opportunity to go grab Marshawn Lynch. All it would have taken was a 3rd or 4th round pick. Everyone one in the media and fans were incredulous as to why he wouldn't do it. It just made so much sense. GB struggled with the run all year (but maybe seems to have found it with Starks?). But that situation is just typical ted thompson.

    You have a much better shot of getting your 1st round LT and big FA gaurd with Jerry Angelo than you do with someone like Ted Thompson. It might not prove to be the best route in the long run, but Jerry Angelo is the one who'll go get you someone when you scream for it. Jerry Angelo went out and got you Julius Peppers (and chester taylor) last year. Jerry Angelo went out and got you the "most talented" QB the bears have ever seen, after watching fans suffer through rex grossman and the myriad of other QBs for the last 20 years. Ted Thompson never goes anywhere near those moves.

  • In reply to brocklanders:

    My answer is simple. Based on all his stats and my experience watching him play for us the last two years. I think a great team can be built around him and the Bears can accomplish great things with him, but I don't think he is a great qb on his own. It's just how I see it. Let me clarify, Joe Montana was GREAT.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    yeah, Montana played on some horseshit teams, he was really able to come through all that adversity. what a warrior.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    Trac, while Montana is generally considered one of the all time greats he played with like 5 hall of famers at the same time including THEEEE greatest wide receiver of all time. c'mon mang.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    And Jerry Rice being a legend had nothing to do with Joe Montana being the GOAT? C'mon Johnny ...

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    Johnny, if you are related to Jay please forgive me, I had no idea.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    ha! that is what my buddy told me yesterday. I just think we can build the team around Jay and with continuity of personnel and scheme we can do some great things on offense and acutally win games with the offense like we did a couple of times this year. I can't predict what Jay is going to do but I can predict that he will get better and better if we continue to improve the personnel.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    trac.MBP.johnny look above on the thread and see if I hit any of those questions you have about our QB

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    agree on the mentoring Robo, he just needs continuity and a solid run game. Coaching is sometimes overlooked when you deal with talent but it is actually more important because the coach doesn't let the talent get in the way of the skill development. Cutler needs Martz to stick around and he needs to know that he has guys in front of him that will put up a wall. continuity.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    +1

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Montana's numbers in his first four five years are in the same cul-de-sac as Jay's are. QB rating, TD-to-INT (last years numbers obviously skew that one somewhat), yardage...and Joe had a much better offensive line by year 5.
    He wasn't GREAT in his fifth year.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    My point is, Montana wasn't Montana early in his career either.
    It takes the patience to develop around any quarterback to elevate them to greatness. There have plenty of profoundly talented QBs that didn't do shit because of organizational instability or injury.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Montana had probaly the greatest pure 'QB Coach" as his position coach; Bill Walsh.

    Montana played for one of the greatest offensive minds in the history of the NFL (Bill Walsh) who authored a system (the West Coast Offense) that was ahead of it's time and gave his team a definite advantage over the opposition..

    Montana played behind an O-Line coached by one of the great O-Line coaches in NFL history (Bobb McKittrick).

    Montana played with one of the greatest WR's in the history of the game (Jerry Rice).

    Montana usually had a Top 10 defense behind him, in addition all of his offensive firepower.

    Not bad,right!

  • In reply to GeoMak:

    Montana didn't overthrow wide open receivers in big games, he was money when it counted. Montana also didn't have bad foot work. Montana didn't have Cutlers arm but he didn't have diabetes either. I like Cutty but he is no Montana. Not even close.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Right.

    Just like I said. The hallmark of the Bill Walsh school of QB fundamentals was FOOTWORK.

    It was worked on Endlessly.

    Again. When a QB (like Joe Montana or Steve Young) has perhaps the best pure QB coach ever (Bill Walsh) along with an innovative offensive system (WCO) and a great O-Line coach (McKittrick) and, last but not least, a Top 10 defense behind him . . . then good things are bound to happen.

  • In reply to GeoMak:

    Then crap me the best qb coach in the business and find me an o-line, 2 wr's and a mule.

  • In reply to GeoMak:

    One scouting report said the following about Montana:

    Before the 1979 draft, one scouting combine rated Montana a 6

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Montana was accurate. Cutty can get better with practice if he tries hard enough. Accuracy is definitely something that can be improved on.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    ok, let's get the kid some protection and a bigger target just to help the process a bit.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Don't exactly follow your point.

    Scouting reports are fine. What matters more so are two things (once you're in the NFL):

    1. Your ability to work hard and willingness to improve.

    2. Coaching.

    Perfect examples: Joe Montana & Tom Brady.

    Both were PO'd that they lasted so long in the draft (3rd & 6ht rounds respectively) and therefore, worked extremely hard to make themselves succesful. They had a chip on their shoulders going forward.

    Both had great coaching (Montana had Walsh. Brady had Belichick and the late QB coach Dick Rebein).

  • In reply to GeoMak:

    ok, Cutty will have another year with Martz and hopefully with some additional protection. Things will get even better. I'm pretty damn happy with his progression. Now we need him to take the next step. Hopefully we don't run him out of town for no fucking reason.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    Thanks for being the voice of reason, johnny. I agree he could improve, but there is no reason he won't if what you say transpires.

  • In reply to GeoMak:

    My point is that you can have all the tools and potential in the world or just be a cocky gutsy accurate passer. The desire to improve has to come from within. Cutty I think relies too much on his strong arm. Maybe Martz needs to pull a rocky balboa and tie his throwing arm behind his back during the off season.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    now trac your talking...Not all QB's come out of the gate great..Fuckdodgers, Steve Young, Mark Brunell shall I go on? all were groomed this kids needs to be groomed ASAP...
    and I do blame the coaches for that..I mean aren't they called coaches?

  • In reply to GeoMak:

    great coaching coupled w/ "consistency" at it. Cutty has never had a stable coaching environment...that's what's going to help is development: coaching stability.

    and believe me: now that the Bears org has PUBLICLY backed him (w/ a vehement nature, mind you), he's going to have a fire lit under his ass for the next season. i bet he has that Chicago edge too....next year is going to be a helluva ride.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    He's also been in two career playoff games.
    He overthrew Hester on one play. I just don't get how this comparison can even be made yet.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Two, actually and at least two other WRs that I counted. I was sober.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Two Hester overthrows that is.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Best footwork in the business. Most accurate, smart, his own OC, he was a winner, just amazing.

  • In reply to GeoMak:

    He was still the GOAT. Making 'excuses' for why someone was the GOAT? Why? He just was ...

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Why do any of you guys think the Brett girl was so successful the year before? Because the queens put a leash on him and controlled his interception/high risk ways by implementing a solid running game. The didn't just want to get off the bus running, they actually got off the bus running. This year Favre tanked because the Queens tried to get too cute with their passing game.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Trac, i think it had more to do with him playing injured almost the whole year. he had way more attempts last year. He also had a 6'5 target that literally caught everything thrown in his vicinty.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    Yes to most of what you say and that what the Bears need to give Cutty but they also need to do a better job reining him in.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    i hear ya

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    And giving him a 6'5 target to pull everything in ...

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    A couple of big targets will improve Cutty's completion percentage overnight.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    First two items that Lovie should have on his agenda. Get Jay a line and some bigger targets to throw the ball to.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    I want Vincent Jackson here. He's a beast who goes up to get the ball.

  • In reply to jbenton:

    VJ will do very well in Chicago. I'm not worried about off field issues with him in Chicago. In SD, Jackson was almost bigger than the team. No tradition like the Bears have and his team mates in Chicago would go a long way in grounding his off field antics. Kruetz would have no problem getting in his grill and Web would be there to break it up.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    I think he just wanted to get paid and that's why you saw the antics. He's a typical receiver. Big ego and wants the pay day. His attitude doesn't scare me at all. He and Rivers got along fine. At least that's what it looked like from an outsider looking in.

  • In reply to jbenton:

    We'd be perfect for a guy like T.O. too - if you cry when you want the ball, I think that's a good thing. Nobody on our team cries for the ball. Give it to him. Give it to him all day long. There's so many guys out there this year it would be criminal to let them all slide by- it was criminal to do so this year. We'd be in the super bowl.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Again, agree 100%. Joe Cool is the guy I compare all guys to. I could give a cold piss for Peyton Manning.

  • In reply to brocklanders:

    I absolutely agree with you for the first time.
    Good analysis.

  • In reply to brocklanders:

    not interested in the right now Wrig... just in the right. If the right gets us to a more than 1 in 5 success rate, I'm willing to wait.

    Rather than gamble on a strategy that can be shot to shit in one play with one injury to a key player.

    nice analysis though.

  • In reply to brocklanders:

    So then, the real difference would seem to be player development. Something that I believe the Bears have not done well for a long time.

    I just hope we can keep Tice and Marinelli because I think they get that part, particularly Tice.

    Not sure about Martz, but ANYTHING has to be better than Ron Turner, Pep WhoevertheFuck and those other offensive position coaches of the pre-Martz regime!

  • In reply to brocklanders:

    Whoa, Whoa... I believe the truth lies somewhere in between MBP and Irish. I'm a bit of a pessemist/realist, so my thoughts probably fall closer to Irish than MBP right now... but I've always been impressed with your even keeled thoughts MBP, so for me, I want to see next year... that will tell all (again, if there's ball)

    I think there needs to be some critical thinking here and not just buying into what happened this year as the 'norm' or as lovie and JA's secret, vieled genius... because that's just silly. I think this year was one of those very special 'destiny' years that we could have and should have cashed in to get our second ring in modern history... on the 25th anniversary of our last. I started getting nervous when:

    1. We lost that last game to give up the NFCN sweep. I just didn't get it. Play all your starters all game, but don't game plan to win... and put in a shitty scheme. Huh?

    2. When the pats lost. I think if we would have beaten the pack week 16 and the pats would have beaten the jets... we would have had a SB XX rematch... and we would have won.

    Anyway, enough about my crushed, broken dreams

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    To sleep, perchance to dream;
    Aye, there's the rub,
    For in that sleep of death,
    what dreams may come.

    I'm not real keen on thinking about a year without a season.
    Bums me out pretty bad. I agree with Wrigley's assessment of Thompson. The Packers sites are always, always full of vitriol about his lack of activity in free agency, sort of how we have a real deep dislike of JA's capabilities in the draft.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Culter... Lets try Cutler.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    We were in the goddam Final Four - Tom Izzo and that bald head - like me - Jim Boeheim play for that every year.

    How many NFL douche-bags were NOT playing on last Sunday goddamit?

    Get your Ya-Yas - drafts / trades / acquitions here as soon as possible you REGULARS - I want some intelligent football shit here before pitchers and catchers report.

  • In reply to kenbill:

    Jack... where were you sir?

  • In reply to kenbill:

    Pouncey's brother isn't that good at center but is decent at guard.

  • In reply to kenbill:

    Oh and MBP, thanks for the sleep schedule props, but honestly... I had about zero to do with it. All the wife.

    And happy pre bday! bobble head Jay... pretty apros pro... did it come with a sieve for an oline too?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    hehehehe...no, but last year my Urlacher bobblehead mysteriously ended up with a sling and cast on his arm.
    I'm scared to bring this one into work after that.

    My wife put the sleep plan in motion...I ended up with the late night responsibilities. Weird how that worked out.

  • In reply to kenbill:

    Can we please not draft a wideout. I would love to pick up a nfl starting receiver and not have to wait 2 or 3 years for results.

    WE can draft some oline, dline, and corners. I think that is what will happen.

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    If we draft Matthews, can he start in Pisa's place? I know Pisa is pretty good at his spot and doesn't get credit but it would be nice to develop Matthews as Brian and Briggs are out there.

    If we get a nice ass corner and wideout in FA, we will be golden in the draft. We will draft, DT, OL, DE, OL,OL, OL

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    Pisa is only 28 and had a solid year. i want him back.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    He was injured both years we had him. We can keep him and get Matthews.

    Does that work?

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    works for me. let's run it by Jerry.

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    Pisa would be a good backup, why not ?

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    Agreed. No more WR projects. No time.

  • In reply to brocklanders:

    I'm up to my neck in DBB speculative bullshit...I remember last year when the VikeQueens had a defense that was supposedly so great that they were, at the very least, two deep in every position and wrecking the NFC North. Ok eh?

    Things change - shit happens Kemo Sabe.

    We are one pregnancy away from a new season.

  • In reply to kenbill:

    Actually a premature pregnancy at that - where the hell have you been Jack?

  • In reply to brocklanders:

    Wrig, good post man, but you seem to know an awful lot about the Packers ....

    But give me Ted Thompson. I don't want a GM that ... well, SUCKS BIG HAIRY BALLS!

    Regarding Cutler, does having a big arm and being mobile make him the most talented QB we've ever had ? I never saw Sid Luckman. He won shit though. I saw Jimmy Mac, and probably the only 'talent' he didn't have was the arm. Potential doesn't mean shit. Potential is exactly that ... potential. How can a guy be the most talented QB we've ever had when he's inaccurate, makes terrible decisions and sucks at reading defenses, changing it up, stuff like that ...?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    He got rid of Harris ... and then to make matters worse, gave away a good *young* linebacker to get him back when he was ion the market for free in a couple more days.

  • In reply to iamndmurff:

    I know Orton and three top picks are gone Murph. I know we didn't measure up to our bitter rivals when 13 of their players were on IR and we were full strength. That's all I know ...

  • In reply to Mastodon:

    Kellen would be better out wide at 6'7 - that's called stretching the field my friends. Revis Island? Davis would be the coconut tree.

  • ooooooog

  • Martz didn't like him.

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    I'm not liking Martz, and I'm liking less the more I see.

  • When the entire coaching staff was insisting that we bring in a veteran backup, when we used 20% of our draft picks on a QB, and when he got listed as the #3 first in the regular season and then in the playoffs after Collins made me wonder if Chris Williams could take snaps he was so bad. All of that gave a pretty good indication of what they thought of Hanie. And their opinions are what Angelo listens to.

  • Ok Jeff, the draft is just around the corner, sort of. Lets do our best to help Jerry out and find some o-line candidates for him.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Not a damn thing wrong with that idea, Trac.

  • How about a picksix to B.J. Raji, of all people.

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