Monday Night May Decide Lovie's Fate

No one know where the Bears and Vikings are going to play their Monday Night Football contest.  The Metrodome roof is about a shaky as Frank Omiyale's blindside protection and TCF Bank Stadium - the outdoor facility home to the University of Minnesota's football team - needs to know by the end of Tuesday whether to begin the process of unwinterizing their venue.  (I have never heard of unwinterizing something but I'm from New Jersey, where winters are just an excuse for radio stations to play Bruce Springsteen's three-hour version of Santa Claus is Comin' to Town.)  Wherever the game is played, one thing is certain: the outcome may go a long way to determining the fate of head coach Lovie Smith in Chicago.

The Vikings, in front of a somewhat national audience last night, looked like a shell of a football team.  The Giants ran the ball off left tackle at will, making Jared Allen and the Williams sisters look like third-rate Big Ten defenders.  (Their run game allowed a struggling Eli Manning to avoid throwing the ball much at all in the second half.)  Tarvaris Jackson played like a bad quarterback who hasn't started in three seasons because he's a bad quarterback who hasn't started in three seasons.  (His interception toss to Keith Bulluck has to be one of the five worst throws of the 2010 season.)  The Giants played defense like Tarvaris wasn't on the field, committing every player into the box and holding AP to a painful 26 yards on 14 carries.  The Vikings have no business being in a competitive game with the Bears, nevermind winning.

And that's why Monday night is so important.    Lovie Smith has always divided the season into four quarters. The final quarter began as poorly as possible and now the coach finds himself in a Bye Week Revisited scenario - the charge being to keep his locker room from a downward spiral that leads to their missing the playoffs and his looking for sublets in Big Sandy, Texas. Coming off one of their most pathetic efforts of his tenure, Lovie must rebuild the confidence of a team that woke up Sunday morning believing they were a Super Bowl contender and returned to their beds thankful the Lions had defeated Matt Flynn and the Green Bay Packers.

As excited as that Packers defeat made us all, it becomes meaningless if the Bears do not defeat the Vikings Monday night.  A loss to the Vikings and the Bears will accrue their first division loss, forcing them to play for their postseason lives at Lambeau Field in Week 17, a healthy Aaron Rodgers certainly back on the field.  The Bears have an opportunity to close the 2010 NFC North campaign Monday night.  Against an inferior opponent.  Against a third-rate quarterback.  With the world at stake.  With the postseason within their grasp.  How Lovie Smith and the 2010 Chicago Bears respond to those conditions should tell us everything we need to know about the head coach moving forward. 

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  • IF it does, and with the labor crap hanging over everything, we won't be sure for severals weeks, if then..

  • The labor situation could play havoc with prospective coaching changes and what I'm hearing/reading is that the latest signals talks are not optimistic and the NFLPA is telling players to start saving money for a work stoppage.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Speaking of labor situation.. I've been kicking around the idea of a NFL fans union. It's about time the consumers of this product had a seat at the table. What do you guys think?

  • In reply to Jlehr:

    The player with the most power in this game has the least political will to use it.

  • In reply to Jlehr:

    Unfortunately, I believe Lovie's fate has already been decided. I think the garaunteed winning season was enough to satiate the McCaskey's mediocre expectations. I think the brass sees Lovie and Angelo as a grouped package which is also unfortunate. I would hope that Lovie's fate is based on this years squad making the playoffs. Even if we lose out, I think the decision to retain the HC and GM has already been decided. The winning season gives management the transparent excuse not to pay for 2 head coaches and 2 GMs, which is the predominant issue. I consider a winning season making the playoffs, not reaching 9 wins.

  • In reply to Crowned:

    Wish I had a strong argument against your position, Crown, but I do not.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Angelo will remain regardless - they're not going to do a Pat Bowlen and pay him off.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    p.s. I think Thompson was being just a wee bit sarcastic.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Snikt! Is what the Wolverine's blades sound like. A Briggs reference.

  • In reply to kenbill:

    jack,

    Let's get down to brass tax. How much for the ape?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zm7r491n-8o

    Fucking Brilliant. I was Raul Duke for Halloween once. a vicodin and a half, some whacky tabaccy and about 7 singapore slings... I don't remember much about the night, but i do know I played the part like a fucking champ all night.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Krakoom! is the sound of the Bears winning, also a comic book reference. How about Budaabbuddaa, Ratatatatata, and Shoooooomm! Also the sounds of Bears winning. (oh, and some small arms fire).

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    man I feel sorry for these guys... having to scrimp and save. What a terrible tragedy for them all. Hang in there guys, you'll have to make that (at least) $350,000 last for two full years.

    Should we start a tel-a-thon gents?

    Oh and we need this win... we simply can't fucking let this opty slip away and have to fight and claw our way back into the playoffs... which means we'll let this opty slip away and we'll have to fight and claw out way into the playoffs. I hate that I have that feeling based on verifiable history (Atlanta anyone?). Common Bears, buck history and just get us to where we should be for once

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Good idea MB, we as Bears fans should show our solidarity and help Brian with the child support payments and Briggsy with his car payments. They shouldn't have to dip into their savings. I've got some elastic bands and some belly-button lint I don't need.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    The players are the ones putting their health and longevity on the line for this sport we all love. Yeah, I'm not exactly gonna be donating money to their child support fund, but when it comes down to Players versus Owners? I'm supporting the players all the way, baby.

  • In reply to pongjinn:

    I seriously don't get this attitude. Team owners are threatening a lockout over a new CBA and people are twisting that to attack the _players_ as being greedy?

    ... What? Honestly. W. T. F.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Looks like it is official, it is not going to be in the dome http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5919792

  • In reply to brandonpurcell:

    Guess I am a little slow....doh

  • In reply to brandonpurcell:

    Earlier on, there was some talk about what Peter King was on when he came up with his power rankings. Personally, I rate power rankings right up there with mock drafts but ESPNs at least seem to have some common sense involved. Thaey actually have the Bears moving up a notch afetr Sunday (I guess because someone fell a few):

    http://espn.go.com/nfl/powerrankings/_/year/2010/week/15

  • In reply to brandonpurcell:

    MB also had a comment early on about players having to scrimp next year when they're locked out. Maybe everyone knows about this but I just stumbled on to it.

    Yahoo has just about every active player's salary listed. I don't know how or where they get their numbers or how signing bonuses and workout bonuses and all that other stuff is factored in (or if it even is but it's interesting. Below is the Bears but you can check out all the other teams as well:

    http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/teams/chi/roster

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    BTW, you can get three Earl Bennetts for the price of one Rashied Davis. You can buy almost four Kellen Davis(es) for the cost of one Brandon Manumaleuna...

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    Matt Forte's payday has to be coming soon. He doesn't make a whole lot compared to his contribution.

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    Great find TJ. Thanks.

    Couple things for you all to look at on that list...

    Giving the shaft:
    * Frank Omelet!!!!!!! (Holy shit, really?!?!)
    * Chris Williams
    * Scrappy Doooooo...
    * ...and Garrett Wolfe TOOOOOOO!!!!!

    Getting the shaft:
    * roach
    * Garza!?!?! (His agent must have sucked over the last 3-4 years)
    * Earl the Pearl - Check out how Aroma makes more than him

    Like TJ says, there are a lot of factors that go into why guys are getting what they're getting, but just at face value there are some jacked up salaries... both ways.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Good God. We're paying Omelette HOW MUCH ?? More than twice what Kreutz makes? Jimminy jumping Jebus, I want a pro-bowler for that kind of change! Hester and Peppers kind of jump out as over-paid too ... is Peppers worth 2.75 Urlachers? Hester gets at least 14 times Earl's salary? No one said life was fair...

  • In reply to brandonpurcell:

    The sky could let loose a roaring host of wind and snow and icy blasts that can freeze bone. What ill news will be born upon the wind from the North? Whispers of a mighty army of men retaking the mantle that is rightfully theirs by ruining the folk of the sister cities, those of blond and braided locks blowing forth their horns, producing a foul and loathsome sound!

  • In reply to jdawg:

    Jesus Christ... can anyone translate viking in this bitch?

  • In reply to brandonpurcell:

    It would have been a perfect end to Favre's career, wouldn't it? To die on the field of battle.

    "This just in ... tragedy struck at the Minnesota Vikings Metrodome tonight as legendary quarterback Brett Favre was killed by an avalanche. The 41 year old quarterback was dropping back to pass on 3rd and 2 against the New York Giants when the roof gave way and the veteran star was
    buried underneath tons of snow. His wife Deana was not available for comment as she was laughing so hard."

  • From the little I saw, Vikings looked very disjointed offensively, Monday. Jackson and Peterson bashed knees on a hand-off forcing Tavarius to the sideline, briefly.

    Starting gaurds Hutchinson and Herrera were both out. Any word on their availability for next week?

    Any word on Mr. Rogers availability for the new England game?

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    I saw that knee-bashing thing too. Bet that hurt like hell.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    I bet we wont hear anything about Rodgers availability until late week/gametime. It seems most teams like to do that to make the opposing team study for both quarterbacks. As far as Hutchinson and Hererra they'll probably also be late week decisions.

  • In reply to jbenton:

    Thank you, Dr. Jab!

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Lovie will be back enuff said. Power Rankings are a joke.

  • I went to college in Minnesota - winters there are a whole different story than anything you've ever seen out East. 90-below wind chills for the month of January, that type of thing. The only place I've ever been that's colder is the interior of Alaska in late December as the actual air temperatures got somewhat colder...but it wasn't as windy as South-central Minnesota.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I would prefer we play in the dome after what happened on Sunday.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    They are starting dome repairs at Noon and are talking about a feasability assessment for next week by the end of the day.

    http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/12/decision-on-metrodome-status-expected-monday.html

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    I don't think the league or the Vikings org will risk it. There is already significant evidence of negligence in not maintaining the roof. Fox left their cameras on over night because, based on the condition of the dome, they were pretty sure it would collapse. There seemed to be no action taken by the league or the Vikings to remedy the roof after it started leaking. I don't know what dome roof procedure is in that situation, but it appears it wasn't followed. That force could have killed multiple people.

  • In reply to Crowned:

    This is like, the 4th time that thing has deflated in it's glorious history.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Wow, I didn't know that Al. Maybe its time to board that shit up.

  • In reply to Crowned:

    Oh yes, Crown, so they were pretty CERTAIN the bubble was going to pop which is why Fox left their guy rolling. Plus, the Queens have been trying to get a replacement built for YEARS now.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Meant to say left their GEAR rolling. They didn't tell a guy "Stay here and see if this thing collapses, willya?"

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    I believe the old Pontiac Silverdome deflated from snowfall on a couple of occssions as well.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Historical background on the Humpdome. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/541322-metrodome-collapse-the-latest-news-on-giants-vs-vikings-game/entry/34167-minneapolis-metrodome-a-history-of-dome-collapses

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    And yes, The Old Pontiac Silverdome deflated on a couple of occassions as well...

    http://www.theoaklandpress.com/articles/2010/12/14/news/local_news/doc4d06f5b4825fc777464159.txt

  • In reply to Crowned:

    The roof fell in on their whole season. Sweet.

  • In reply to Crowned:

    Look here's the deal. The Bears are going to play at the U.Minn. outdoor field and they are going to win or else.

    I went through last year (on another blog unfortunately) and I will not put up with Bear losses with "let's learn from this one".

    This season has been both remarkably wonderful and terrible, but certainly better than LAST year.

    Nevertheless (and I never see that word here) Bears are better than both the Packers and the Vikings.

    The Bears (as the great Hunter S. Thompson used to say) are professionals.

    Does anyone know what that means anymore? I was (until retirement) a professional. I took heat, criticism, crow, abuse and every other kind of junk that was coming to me for not doing my job. The Bears must rise above their critics and win - that is their work, their job. Do it or get the hell off the field. And that's a fact Jack.

    p.s. That goes for Lovie, Angelo, Marinelli, and all the rest.

    If...(that was the title of some goof ball movie years ago) if this, if that, if we this, if we that, if we can do this, if the D can do this, if the O-line can do this, if this player can do...and on and on.

    SNIKT! Bears Win

    Ahhhh now I feel better and will break the pill in half.

    Jack

  • In reply to kenbill:

    If ... as in the Malcom McDowell 1960s British Public school movie that ends up with a shooter on the roof ?

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    So, what you're saying is that there's a good reason ICE FISHING works so well up there?

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Bimidji, MN, is ROUTINELY cited as the coldest temp in the lower 48. Otherwise it's usually FARGO.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    The NON-ice fishing up there is phenomenal.
    But I couldn't take the winters up there any more.
    I lived in St. Cloud, the Cities, and St. Peter and the only common denominator (aside from the Lutheran predisposition to naming places after saints) was the winters are too damn cold.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    That and the ginormous women there. I was management for Best Buy and was sent out to that rozen wasteland far too many times. Walk around the mall of America and I'll give you $100 if you can find two women under 200lbs.

  • In reply to Jlehr:

    Sacramento,it's the walrus theory. You live in the extreme cold and your body starts to produce blubber to protect from the cold. I just made that up but I think it sounds good.

  • In reply to Jlehr:

    I remember writing at the time Lovie was awarded his last contract that his agent (who went public with the "my guy is the lowest paid guy" tactic) was a better strategist than his client. I said that Lovie Smith peaked as a Defensive Coordinator on a team whose offense routinely scored 35+ points (St. Louis Rams - greatest show on turf). I can't stand when any alleged leader takes to the press to conjur up sympathy for his $ cause $.

    If this season goes south and we do not make the playoffs - I would fire him and do whatever it takes to keep the coordinators (all 3).

    But, I BELIEVE IN THIS TEAM. I know they have a great deal of potential. The run starts Monday. And, Lovie's job will be spared, because he surrounded himself with tacticians that will win him ball games.

    Get Some!!

  • In reply to PhantomOne:

    Sadly, if Lovie and (unlikely) Angelo are airlocked, then the incoming team would mean Martz, Marinelli, Tice and Toub would be gone too, or not ?

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    You and I don't see eye to eye on Angelo. I know his faults - but I also know his stregths.

    Those 4 coaches are under contract, but the new HC would most likely get to hire his own staff, and, unless one (Toub would be my choice) of the 4 were promoted, we could see wholesale change, and Jay Cutler could see his 5th OC in as many years...
    Peyton Manning - 1 OC in his career. Tom Brady - a bazzillion OC's, but 1 system. The proof is in the pudding.

  • In reply to PhantomOne:

    Toub is going to get a chance at HC at some point, the question is when and on what team.

  • In reply to Jlehr:

    Is there a weight limit for that inside rollercoaster?

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    nfl.com is streaming the vikings game today for free (no commercials either).

    I think Lovie's job is safe unless we lose out the season. As long as the Green Bay game is meaningful (which I believe is guaranteed at this point) and the Bears are competitive, Lovie will keep his job.

    The questions is whether Lovie will be offered a contract extension. If they make the Superbowl for the second time in 5 years, he'll want one... and he'll probably deserve it.

  • In reply to mottystone:

    Lovie is a guider of men, although his wisdom on the field can prove to be folly. His forces rally to his standard, although their strength sometimes wanes like it has be robbed from them. Angelo's council is ill, especially at its onset. While perchance a scant few rocks of coal have proved to be diamonds, too few leaders of men he has chosen when fate has smiled upon his house and granted him a choice selection.

  • In reply to jdawg:

    Holy shit.... o captain my captain!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    "Carpe Diem!"

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    His NFL
    column stinks
    out loud,

    from the
    summer thru
    the spring.

    This Blog
    holds absolutely
    no respect...

    for the
    completely clueless,
    Peter King.

    Burmas-Shave

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    +50

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Excellent.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    My only disagreements with this article are the belittlement of the Lions victory by saying they beat Matt Flynn... no they beat Aaron Rodgers , he started the game and they put him on the bench; they deserve full credit for that victory. And the part about Lovie going home if the Bears fire him. You are smokin the pipe if you don't think there are 5 or 6 other teams in this league that would snatch his ass up in a heart-beat. There are 3 interrum coaches in the league right now not even counting natural contract expirations and teams that would be interested in a change if they had Smith as an option. I don't necessarily like Smith and I get fed up with his press conference demeanor and bad challenges but there are a whole lot worse coaches to get stuck with out there. And after Cowher shooting off his mouth Sunday morning I dunno how many Bears fans would want him anymore.

  • In reply to dutsami:

    The Lions were giving Rogers a bad day while he was in there.

  • In reply to dutsami:

    I agree at the surface FTW... turns out he was right about the game, I do believe he'll eat crow about the playoffs comment.

    But, I'd take him in a heartbeat my man. With open arms and a big kiss.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Martz had some pretty harsh words for Cutler last year and he ended up in Chicago.

  • In reply to dutsami:

    Cowher had us losing the last four games ... I guess that translates into 'I don't want the job.'

  • In reply to jdawg:

    "Guider of men"?
    Isn't that Reverend/Father/Rabbi/Imam Tony Dungy's job title?

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Oh and sorry Viva, but can you explain this to me, you know from a mathematical (doc?), logical, reasonable position: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/peter_king/12/13/week-14-mmqb/2.html

    We're two behind GB? How does that even work.

    Peter King, you sir have now officially become totally irrelevant.

    Al, what do you think of Mr. King please?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Evidently Detroit is a much better team than the Pats.

    WTF.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    King's opinions amd a buck 79 will get you a small coffee at a Circle K.

    Does he actually WATCH any of these teams he writes about?

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    King on the Bears Sunday: "I don't know how a team could look worse in four quarters in its own weather."

    Well, the scoring in 2nd half was Bears 7, Patriots 3 so I guess you DON'T actually WATCH the games, Peter. You saw the score and assumed that he Bears just quit after halftime. No Pete, THAT would be THE JETS.

    And what's with all the love for San Diego?

    They Are 7 & 6 !!! In not exactly the STRONGEST division in the league, either. I mean, Denver faced the Cardinals with RED SKELTON at QB for crissakes and GOT WAXED! The Raiders are under .500 but have SPANKED the Chargers TWICE. The Chargers caught a nice break to get win #7 this week when KC had to play without their staring QB.

    WHAT are you SMOKING Peter King!?

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Thank you Al.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Happy to oblige, MB.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Over the past several years I have developed a strong hatred for the Chargers because year after year, they are the NFL media darlings, every single year they're the team to beat for the Super Bowl and somehow they never seem to make it. It's inexplicable to me, and makes me hate them. The Norv Turner connection never helped. Anyone related to the Inglorious Rat Basterd Ron Turner could never helm a Super Bowl winner imo.

  • In reply to PhilfromSATX:

    Exactly Phil.

    And I want my scalps!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Avoidance of said tripe was suggested. (I refuse to open.)

  • In reply to PhantomOne:

    No, honestly, you have to look just for the sheer shock of the mathmatics that went into it.

    I mean, ho-ly-sheite muslim, is this guy really serious?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I said I wouldn't be baited by Peter King anymore and i wouldn't read anymore power rankings but "HOLY SHIT" how is this guy considered credible. First putting the Packers two spots ahead but then putting a Philly team that the Bears had their way with 5 spots ahead. Also couldn't agree more about San Diego. Bunch of underachieving pricks. lost to Oakland by a buttload and are ahead of the Bears. I still think that one is because the national media has a hard-on for Rivers. With that said no more national media reading for me.

  • In reply to jbenton:

    DON'T get me started with the Rivers Love, Jab. I have nothing against Rivers but, does this sound at all familiar to anyone...?

    National Media 1: "WOW, look how great that Philp Rivers is with those weird throwing mechanics."

    National Media 2: "WOW, how great could that Jay Cutler be if it weren't for those weird throwing mechanics."

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    +1 Al.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    I got a (for no reason) Chargers fan here at work. Consistently spewing the Rivers is better than Cutler nonsense.

    Most recently, using this year and TRENT DILFER (yes, that Trent Diler) as an example.

    My reply (Trent's quote in.. you guessed it.. quotes) - By the way, thank you for "Sent Items" -

  • In reply to JohnGalt:

    Bazillion should be an actual number.

    The mee-ja love to wax lyrical about the 'Elite' QBs but rarely attribute their success to their surrounding cast. How does Peyton Manning (his whole career in the same offense), Brees or Rivers figure out behind our line with our receivers etc. We've just seen what happened to Turtlehead when everything in the garden wasn't looking so rosy.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Exactly. You will rarely see a quarterback have a solid year if he has an awful o-line. I really want to see how good Brady is when he's getting sacked over 40 times in a year.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    So I have a question. Is anyone allowed in the DBB fantasy league or is it at max capacity and only for long time posters? If there's openings next year count me in.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Technically, not every number has a name, so it is not too late.

  • In reply to JohnGalt:

    It is hilarious to read Crown and Al talk about Lovie and Angelo like they really know where in the hell they're going to be after this year. Are Crown and Al going to pony up the "scoots" (as my Yuppie neighbor used to say) to hire another couple of morons to coach and manage? Good gracious (as wanker Collinsworth says) get Cowher in here (he's a truly Bears guy), please let's discuss this after the Bears win the next one, and the next and so on.

  • In reply to kenbill:

    It's called not wanting to pay 2 head coahes and 2 GMs. Its a money thang.

  • In reply to kenbill:

    One more word for you: Holy. Fucking. Shit.

    http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/crime/2010/12/14/vo.fl.school.board.shooting.WMBB?hpt=T1

    What's more... dude missed every single person he shot at. My goodness gracious there are some crazy motherfuckers out there.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Guy talking to the gunman was an idiot for calling him out like that and is very lucky to be alive.

  • In reply to mottystone:

    agree

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    If the Vikings manage to screw me out of my tickets to the upcoming game because their building guys are so stupid that they just stopped in the middle of spraying water on the middle of the roof...I am going to hate that f-cking franchise more than I have ever hated any sports team in my life.
    They are now being sketchy about what to do with seating because TCF is 14000 seats smaller than the Dome. Well, no shit.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    They should know you never turn a guest away, screw your own fans not the guys that flew in and have hotels. Hope you at least get some decent temps at game time. Minny winter weather can be so brutal.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    holy shit.

  • In reply to kenbill:

    Someone will have to show me where I have said that either of them WILL be fired.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    "I don't know how a team could look worse in four quarters in its own weather"

    Yeah, because New England is completely unused to cold weather.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    'Fargo' showed me a whole other side to life over there. Bimidji? Really?

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    I'll never understand the appeal of it; I had a neighbor in one of my apt buildings that would air his tent out in our laundry room - which happened to be next to my apt.
    How good do you think an ice fishing tent (that stays rolled up for 8 months of the year, damp) smells when exposed to heat?

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I could not function.
    Hell, I bailed on Chicago because of IT'S winters which, by my perception, have only gotten WORSE since I left town and look like child's play compared to Minnesota.

    I'll gladly take our triple digit summer temps over trying to avoid becoming a human popsicle evey winter.

    BTW, Tucson's high today? 78, thank you.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    I'm content with our high temp today of 25 degrees. If we had two feet of snow on the ground like parts of the Cities do, I'd be a little more upset.
    But 78? I would be in a swimming pool right now.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Al, MBP... I think you're both a bit crazy. No thanks on either end of the spectrum.. I'll take our yearly avg. temp of 72 thank you very much.

    What about the seasons? Keep em.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    "Changing seasons"? nope. I don't need 'em, either, thank you.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    2 seasons in Tucson:

    Summer and Next Summer.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    My little pool is only reading 64 degrees for the water so you might want to bring a wetsuit.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Way to knock me out of my visions of sunshine, a can of Tecate, and dipping my feet in the pool.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Yeah, I've actually gotten in for a quick dip at that temp now and again. There is definite, "shrinkage".

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    There's no excuse for the Bears not to trample on the Vikings. The Bears should beat the Jets as well. I've felt they could for awhile, but by now its pretty obvious to everyone. A good defense will leave Sanchez looking confused and bad weather will leave him looking inadequate. As long as the Bears do not allow the same thing to happen to them we should enter week 17 playing for the pleasure of resting up at home for a week and the joy slamming the door on any remaining Packers playoff hopes(If they still have any). I'm concerned as the next guy about what happened Sunday afternoon but neither the Vikings or the Jets are all that good.

  • In reply to reprisal:

    We need to take out the frustration of the Patriots annihilation - and that's what it was - on the Vikings, and not just beat them by a FG, but hammer them. Carry that over to the Jets game and just pound on them mercilessly -but can we do that in the conditions? No pass rush against the Pats means no pass rush against the Jets. Even Dirty Sanchize could sit in that pocket and hit some pretty good receivers given time. We also need to see Urlacher accidentally run off the field and plant his helmet into Mike Westhoff's dentures.

  • In reply to reprisal:

    The Viking have to let go of the THOR - horn blowing image - we all know that THOR cannot do it alone and must have the AVENGERS for help.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Shuddup, Al. (lol) It's 18 here today.

  • In reply to sjvl:

    Revised high is 80.

    http://www.kvoa.com/weather/

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Cool season here, it's only 88 degrees, back in line Al ... had to turn off the aircon at three in the morning, it was an ickle wickle teensy weensy bit nippy. Tchoh.

  • In reply to sjvl:

    I highly doubt that Monday night will be the straw that breaks the McCaskeys back. I think if the Bears miss the playoffs then yes lovies head will roll. But that looks highly unlikely. besides.. if you see how this team has done since the bye I think that alone will be reason enough to keep Lovie around. Remember.. there's a lot of football left as Lovie would say. haha

  • In reply to Jlehr:

    I'd like to be the one to break McCaskey's back. Pick-axe. I'd hang Angelo from hooks. No wait, I'd hang them both from hooks and dangle their privates into cages of hungry rats. Is that too much? It would certainly set a precedent for future staff.

  • In reply to sjvl:

    I would like to thank my higher power for making legging tights currently fashionable.

    http://i48.tinypic.com/8wejcp.jpg

    Take notice of how her cheeks have perfectly enveloped that pole! I would eat Shepherds Pie out of that!

  • In reply to Crowned:

    mmmmm. Pie.

  • In reply to Crowned:

    The New Jersey Jets were lined up to screen out the gunner. God that's so fucking Rex Ryan.

    http://content.usatoday.com/communities/thehuddle/post/2010/12/zach-thomas-jets-tripping-incident-was-orchestrated/1

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Oooooh. Interesting. Westhof sounds like Clinton. "I did *not* have sexual relations with that woman"

    They're the new Raiders. Lock'n'load ... let's pound ...

  • In reply to gpldan:

    MB - You sir - are a professional.

  • In reply to kenbill:

    I'm the farthest thing sir, but I thank thee for the nod.

    I had to take that on a tangent because I can't speak comic book. I am but a caught rat to your cat sir.

  • In reply to Crowned:

    Wow, not my style... waaaaaay too much junk in the trunk.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I would do the Truffle Shuffle in there.

  • In reply to Crowned:

    I knew you would crown...

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    BEARS CATCH ANOTHER BREAK.

    If the Vikings situation isn't screwed up enough Jartarvis Mackson now has turf toe and is questionable for Sunday. The organization is now giving 3rd stringer Joe Webb starting snaps in practice and searching for a QB off the street who can start Monday.

    Jeff, not gonna lie you were one of the very few who predicted what happened this season to Minny. They simply imploded.

  • In reply to Shady:

    http://thevikingage.com/2010/12/14/vikings-may-work-out-patrick-ramsey/

  • In reply to Shady:

    Isn't that the dude fro Hell's Kitchen?

    Nice, double threat. After we hand them their ass, he can cook up a nice meal. (luckily moss isn't there any more)

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    haha delicious.

  • In reply to Shady:

    That's Gordon Ramsey, but imagine that guy calling audibles.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/football/nfl/12/14/metrodome.ap/index.html?eref=sihp

    First class establishment. Maybe if that doesn't work out there's a nearby high school that can be used? Or maybe just a frozen field?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Well if we need something big enough in Minny for 50,000+ people plus a football field, maybe we can just play the game on Favre's ego...

  • In reply to mottystone:

    Oh, nice ...

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Oh and: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/football/nfl/12/14/playoffs.ap/index.html

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Well no surprises there, but its officially a two horse race in the NFC North. What are the scenarios for a wild card if the packers do the unthinkable? Could GB get in that way?

  • In reply to Shady:

    This game scared me when it was definitely being played at the roller dome and Favre was playing. Tavarious blows, and even he is questionable for sunday with a mild to severe case of vaginitis. We should definitely win this one. If we don't, then Lovie probably needs to be shown the door.

    I work with a die hard Packer fan(he's from green bay and his family still has season tickets) One of the few packer fans I don't consider to be an inbred sister copulating douche. He's pretty much throwing in the towel on the division. In his mind the Bear wins the division on Monday night.

  • In reply to Shady:

    Vinny Testaverde is available.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Agree.

  • In reply to Crowned:

    Def. my style. BOOTY!!!!!!!

  • In reply to sjvl:

    http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Favre-s-website-already-selling-commemorative-st?urn=nfl-295882

    hey, look at this.. make fun of the bears

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    $500 a ball ?!! WTF? I hope your wife takes you and every penny of you make to the cleaners you cracker.

  • In reply to sjvl:

    I just wonder if Sunday was an intentional try not to get hurt ploy since the Packers loss of the game and Rodgers makes the NFC North ours to win next week and to try and keep everybody healthy. Even if we had won, the Falcons look to wrap up the home field advantage anyway so would it have made sense to go out there and kill ourselves over a game that wouldn't have really meant a lot anyway. Ok, there is the pride factor here but if we do make to the SB what are the chances we'll be playing the Pats there. As shitty as we played Sunday we didn't really show them a lot. Anybody else?

  • In reply to RogerMinton:

    I considered that conspiratorial thought to comfort me after the loss, but no, I think we just got creamed. And got lucky we made it out without any injuries.

  • In reply to RogerMinton:

    Great theory, but I think it more likely Brady is really an AlIEN from the planet "Pigskin" where football skills are more advanced than those on Earth. Either "Pigskin" or "Krypton".

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Why was Brady in so long, anyway? He could have sat down at half-time.

  • In reply to sjvl:

    I probably shouldn't be saying this but wouldn't it be a hoot if at the end of this whole fiasco of this week, that we do make to the SB and we face the Pats again, just to whoop their asses as a tribute to the 25Th Anniversary of the 85 Bears SB victory. That right there should be enough to inspire these guys to do it!

  • In reply to RogerMinton:

    It would be sweet.

  • In reply to RogerMinton:

    It would also be sweet if we went 19-0 for the next three years, beating the packers three straight years in the conference championship.

  • In reply to brocklanders:

    sheesh.

  • In reply to RogerMinton:

    Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet. would so love that.

  • In reply to RogerMinton:

    Madd that was funny.

    Btw, totally off topic, I know we said we wouldn't talk politics, religion, war, etc...

    Here's the question: What the fuck is wrong with John Boehner? Is he emotionally stable?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Do not show your anger towards him, for he was bred by dark wizardry, crossing mortal man with the oompa loompa, giving him a countenances orange like the rising sun yet unable to veil his tears.

  • In reply to jdawg:

    Dude, you're killing me today.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    He's got Bart Farve syndrome. "I'm Bart, I hurt my thumb, and threw the winning touchdown pass. Now I'm gonna cry during interviews and the press conference."

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    As a Swedish-Finnish-Norwegian-Danish American, I'm going to Minneapolis next weekend to protest the team name Vikings because it offends me. Sure, the Scandinavian Vikings raped and pillaged large parts of Europe for a few hundred years, sowing their seeds throughout large parts of England, western France, Germany, etc. But, for most of history, they were generally peace-loving farmers and herders. It's an inaccurate description of Scandinavians.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    Can you put a vote in for me Corm? I'm not descendant from any of those cultures, but anything I can do to put a thorn in the queens side.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    Can we have photos of your scantily clad female cousins Cor? Just for verification purposes of course.

    People associate red hair with the Irish, but whenever I see it I think Viking rape victim. Now is there anyone else left who hasn't been offended? Roll up roll up ....

    Okay, fair's fair ...

    Did you hear about the Irish exorcism ?

    A woman had to call the devil in to get the priest out of her son.

    Bada-bing!

  • In reply to jdawg:

    bwahahahahahahaha!

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    verily, unti the Monsters of the Midway travel to the season that is post to this, and engage in a battle there, my tongue will be as thus.

  • In reply to jdawg:

    Boom.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    "Is he emotionally stable?

    Ayupp

  • In reply to pongjinn:

    Wait what? I meant the exact opposite of that. No. He is not stable.

  • In reply to RogerMinton:

    That's a wet dream. The reverse of that would be much more likely. No way in hell Lovie out-coaches Belichek. Ever. And I don't want to give the Pats any revenge for SB XX. Against the Jets or KC we'd have a chance of winning it all.

  • In reply to sjvl:

    Queens are -3 favorites over the Bears on Monday.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Wow, if there was ever a time to take the points, this is it.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Anybody who spent the summer watching Hard Knocks on the Jets remembers this dick monkey:

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/12/14/westhoff-denies-coaching-alosi-alignment/

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Nope, not on my list of things to do last summer! Much more important things to do like.. pick up dog shit..garbage..terrorize the cat...smash mt pop cans....add or remove gas from my neighbors car (he keeps close tabs on his fuel millage) god that's so much fun! His wife is my accompliss too! finally got caught...drat!.. but no time to watch Hard Knocks.

  • In reply to RogerMinton:

    that is awesome, I have two friends who are neighbors and one of them leaves for work about 30 minutes before the other every day. So in that 30 minutes he would go over every morning and empty 2 5 gallon buckets full of water out of the guys koi pond. He was going nuts trying different liners and tons of stuff, finally when he was going to fill it in and plant something there they let him in on it.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I am proud to say I watched exactly ZERO minutes of that.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    But I make it even money Rex's fingerprints are all over this incident.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    It would have been him that cut Danny Woodhead ... he was such a poor motivator of men and a narcissus. All of the Jets' coaches are dicks, especially that Schottenheiner tool.

    BS: "My dad was a great coach gimme a job, waaaah! "
    RR: "My dad was a great coach too, have a job, waaaah!"

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Watched the Bengals and the Cowboys hard Knocks too when I heard about the show. All had dickheads for coaches. All have failed. Go figure. They must visit all the NFL teams, find the biggest bunch of dickheads and go "Right, let's film these losers."

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    GP - Come on goddam it Hunter S. Thompson reference is worth at the very least 15 points. Goddamit I miss Thompson. What a WRITER and what a madman. The last of the Kerouac, Ginsberg, Corso, Creeley, Burroughs madmen. (paraphrase) Bears -"We're putting our queer,bi,hetero,lesbian,transgen, and whatever shoulders to the wheel." Let's win it all Bears - once again! Trac get on track.

  • In reply to kenbill:

    Agree.

  • In reply to kenbill:

    Thompson is a son of my fair city, perched on an oxbow of the mighty Ohio.

  • In reply to kenbill:

    http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2010/12/12/1871863/ufc-124-josh-koscheck-suffers-broken-orbital-bone?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

    I got one word for you fellows: Broken. Orbital. Bone.

  • In reply to kenbill:

    I've just started listening to 'On the road' audio book now ... there's a co-inky-dink.

    "With the coming of Dean Moriarty, began the part of my life you could call 'on the road' ...."

  • In reply to kenbill:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zm7r491n-8o

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    well.. it is Tuesday and it's a Monday night game, the line had to start somewhere but I will be surprised if it isn't a Push by Sunday.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Huh? A million dollars on the Bears please.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    IF I see that today, I'll pounce.

  • In reply to sjvl:

    I live about two hours from the Cities and we got the same storm. It was brutal. We just finished cleaning up after the storm that started Saturday, with temps around zero and 30-40mph winds. Today was a balmy 9 degrees. During some of the ice fishing tournaments around here, there are literally shanty towns set up with tons of partying. There can be 5-10,000 people out on Lake Onalaska.

  • In reply to sjvl:

    Apprently there is a chance Favre will play Monday. The game will likely be outside also. I think it would be special to clinch the North by beating Favre one more time.

    In the internet world, page hits are everything. King puts the Bears down a few spots in his rankings to rile up a sizable fan base that will check back every week to see what he has to say. If they seeded playoffs based on this (like the BCS) then I'd care. Other than that, I actually enjoy seeing the guy show his ignorance. I'm sure 99% of people that are not Packer or Bear fans will look at that and conclude he is a joke because there is obviously no basis for it whatsoever.

  • In reply to BillW:

    +1, Bill.
    Excellent point. Just like a lot of the radio talking heads. Whatever 'moves the needle'.

  • In reply to BillW:

    If only they were held accountable for their errant opinions.

  • Epic post Doc. I like your style. I took one too many shrooms on Dec 31, 1997. My buddies since like 12 wrote a song about it and recorded it in their basement. Hope you like it. I overindulged when I was younger, and had to stop doing it.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22QS1WIbM0w

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    Love that Cor - it's like what Gong might have sounded like in the Eighties/Nineties. If they had an album I'd illegally download it - they're good man. This totally brings me back to my youth ...

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Check this song out. They're all over the place.
    Frank Zappa meets Slayer light.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wk4LB9vo-Uw

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    I like the cover. Kinda like Dead Kennedy's original Frankenchrist cover - without the penises, obviously.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    Our Boy Roy's new super Youtube extendo-version of the Rape at Soldier Field :

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPBC_osqbhk&feature=sub

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Those interceptions make me sick to my stomach.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Thanks for the link.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Oompa Loompas:
    Oompa Loompa doompadee doo
    I've got another puzzle for you
    Oompa Loompa doompadah dee
    If you are wise you'll listen to me

    What do you get from a glut of Trent D?
    A pain in the neck and an IQ of three
    Why don't you try simply reading a blog?
    Or could you just not bear down?

    You'll get no
    You'll get no
    You'll get no
    You'll get no
    You'll get no stupidity

    Oompa Loompa Doompadee Dah
    If you're not a homer you will go far
    You will live in happiness too
    Like the Oompa
    Oompa Loompa doompadee do

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Now that was awesome GP. 10+

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Guess what..if Brett can't play this Sunday we will get to go against Joe Webb their 3rd string qb.

    The Minnesota Vikings can't seem to catch a break this week. The roof caves in, Brett Favre(notes) can't play, and now interim coach Leslie Frazier is saying that quarterback Tarvaris Jackson(notes), who "led" the team to a 21-3 loss to the New York Giants Monday night, has turf toe and will be out of Thursday's practice and possibly Monday night's game against the Chicago Bears, according to ESPN Radio.
    So Frazier has rookie Joe Webb(notes), who was the 199th pick in the draft this year, taking snaps with the first team, ESPN Radio reports.
    An ultrasound on Favre's shoulder showed no problems so now Frazier is hoping for Favre's return, the site reports, while also keeping his eye on a list of eight free agents who could end up starting for the Vikings come Monday.

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    Joe Webb put a dart into Rice's hands and beat double coverage on his only pass attempt of the Giants game, but an amazing play from the Giants safety broke the pass up. We don't have amazing play from our safeties.

  • In reply to dutsami:

    Tried to volunteer for the Navy, too old. I said I'd work the game, didnt go for it. Thanks anyway Ur

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    I wouldn't play Favre if I was Frazier...
    1.) He is done with your team and the season is over for the team.

    2.) If he throws a couple pick 6s and that leads to a Bears victory... it is really the only thing he can remotely do at this point to stick it to the Packers.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Did Doc ship some of his shrooms to you? I like it, just not sure why. The writing and posts on here have gone through a revolution since last year. Some crazy shit coming up on here.

  • That sounds like a really bad way to take mushrooms dude. Hiking? In the dark? Strangers ... eugh. I miss being a pyschonaut. haven't trripped in many years.

    As always, Bill Hicks has the last word on shrooms. Every stand-up since has been a corporate whore.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YW31ruQG1Xk

  • Doc;

    A. I am jealous. Sounded like quite a weekend.

    B. Gear up similarly for the upcoming weekend. All kinds of Minni weirdness coming our way; stadium, QB, seating issues, etc.

    C. I still believe too.

  • So, we're going Gopher. Glad the game will be outside. The Queens refuse to put the Wangler on IR, and they are hopeful he will play Monday night.

    ME TOO!!! I want the beatdown of Fav-re to go full circle and end in a spectacular exit stage left on a cart, frozen and finished.

  • You certainly can paint a vivid picture with your writing. I had to go back and re read all those posts over and over looking for you, just know some how you started some shit LOL.Lastly I agree it's not the end. When it snows for games we can safely say its Patriot weather. Those guys can really play in the snow, I'd artificially snow Foxboro if I was them. Gald you back you were missed during your short abscence. I'll be keeping my eye on you to see how long it takes you to piss someone off...LMAO

  • And THAT was the READER'S DIGEST version!

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Jeez Albert, finding out all these guys using mind altering drugs sure explains alot...LMAO

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    We spread Bears love across the nation
    No, Izzy Idonije is not Haitian
    Fear boners number 90 creates
    Joe Webb, no dome, checkmate

    GP bringing oompa loompa rhymes
    That mothafucka can spit on a dime
    Wag Poon, Pringles and blasphemy
    Wholly shit, Doc's mom just fed ex'd a QP

    Night hikes on shrooms w/ strangers aint smart
    That's enough to make me shart

    MB doesn't like too much junk in the trunk
    The fact Dez hasn't suited up all year is bunk

    The Coach taught us all about dook lasagna
    Maybe he can teach the fat guy to block-he's called ManofMoolah

    MBP teaching clinics on fundamentals of the o-line
    Not reading his X and O posts is a crime I must opine

    Halftime BJs, car BJs, whatever
    She sucked so hard it feels I might sever

    Love to hit a show with Canada and Corm
    By the end of the night we'd end up in a girls dorm,
    and by the next day one of us will have created a newborn

    I thank Al for keeping me even keel
    The guy has way more knowledge than Dan McNiel
    And I wouldn't be suprised if he schlupmed Ally McBeal

    Irish, our boy, thinking Bears 24/7 in Thailand
    Based on his Burmese baby sitta, the mothafucka has a strong ass pimp hand.

    1 game tourny, here we come
    The NFC is a bunch of bums
    We got a realistic chance to get to the dance
    Everyone throw on your zuhba pants
    It's time to party, time to have fun
    That's all you can do in this world of one and done.

  • In reply to Crowned:

    Brilliant Crown, brilliant.

    Favorite line:

    Wag Poon, Pringles and blasphemy
    Wholly shit, Doc's mom just fed ex'd a QP

  • Small amounts of shroooms are cool, but I once took way too many and got inside my own head. It was at a Dave Mathews concert I literally laid on my back in the lawn seats and stared at the clouds for 4 hours. Once of them looked exactly like the Trojan Horse.

  • Oompa Loompa doompadee doo
    I've got another puzzle for you
    Oompa Loompa doompadah dee
    If you are wise you'll listen to me

    What do you get from too much blog spam?
    A tired feeling in your gut and yelling god damn
    Why don't you fuck off you spam dealing prick?
    Or could you not find your dick?

  • In reply to gpldan:

    +1

  • Great post Doc. Let's just say we have a lot in common. I play piano but it sounds like I am wearing boxing gloves if I'm in an altered state. That night hike in those conditions was beyond crazy. Glad you gave it up quickly. Nothing good could have come from that. Totally agree about the Bears. I turned off the game when Lovie lost the challenge and they went up 21-0. Sometimes it's just not your day.

  • Oh, and I found out my mom is overnighting me about a QP of homegrown for a Christmas present. Thanks Mom.

    Welcome back doc.

  • Fluff piece on Butter

    http://www.suntimes.com/sports/football/bears/2850026-419/harris-chon-bears-friend-defensive.html

  • In reply to MASOCHR:

    Oh jesus christ... this is all you have to know:

    91 Harris, Tommie LDT 6-3 295 27 7 Oklahoma $7,790,000

    Just fucking play football you turd.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Anyone else notice he started last week?

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