History Not on Side of the Giants

Despite my proclivity to rest the essentials for at least the second half of Sunday's showdown with the Packers at Lambeau, how can a Bears fan not like the words coming out of the current leadership's mouths?  Jay Cutler: "We want to win the ball game. We don't want to take a step back as a team or as an offense."  Pisa Tinoisamoa: "Green Bay has always been a rival and our goal is to sweep the division, so this one would be a huge one to be able to get that."  And Devin Hester made it very clear in several interviews that he wants to knock the cheese from the tournament.

Vegas ain't buying it and (as predicted here) have jumped the spread on Sunday's game to ten points.  The reason why is simple.  In 2006, with his team knowing a first-round bye was coming the following weekend, Lovie spent a week telling reporters the Bears would be giving a complete effort against the Packers in primetime.  (You may remember this as Brett Favre's last NFL game.)  What happened?  Brian Griese started the third quarter and it only takes a quick glance at the fourth quarter play-by-play to realize that all significant contributors on the defensive side of the ball had been lifted by then.  That 2006 team found themselves playing in the Super Bowl and both Vegas and I believe that the head coach won't fix what wasn't broken.

How can the Bears be expected to match a good, desperate home team's intensity when they're playing for cosmetic reasons such as maintaining rhythm (foolish when an off-week is around the bend), sweeping the division (does anybody care about this?) and knocking the Packers out of the playoffs (and letting the dominant Giants front four in?).  And does anybody believe that an excellent two quarters from the offense would mean less to their confidence as an excellent four quarters?  I get the whole "play to win the game" thing but do we really want our club taking advice from Herm Edwards?  Has that guy ever won anything?

My theory is Lovie will pull Cutler at halftime and give Caleb Hanie a quarters to play with this receiving corps.  If the defense plays a solid first half, most of them will be off the field too.  If they struggle out of the gate - which has become a recent trend - I think you'll see Urlacher & company start the third quarter.  I think the game will very much mirror the contest with the Pack in 2006.

And for those of you who think playing the Packers three times in one year is a terrible thing, you couldn't be further off.  Playing the Pack three times means we're hosting the NFC Championship Game.  And I'll sign for that right now. 

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  • First BEYOUCHES!!!!!!!

  • Blogfader........I understand were you are coming from, but if at halftime we are up by 40 points...yeah I'll put in Hanie then.
    If we lose and then play them again in the playoffs I think we set a mind set.A BAD MIND SET!!!..well maybe next week, we won the Division we got the acalades.. FUCK THAT SHUT IT DOWN NOW!!!
    And we wont have to worry about the next playoffs against the Fudgepackers they be out and we will go after another opponent!

  • BLOGFADER...from you post..
    "I think the game will very much mirror the contest with the Pack in 2006".

    yeah and how did that turn out for us. Time to start a new trend WIN BABY..WIN!!!!!!!................ 2006 is gone NEW TEAM NEW REGIME NEW IDEAL!!!!
    WIN IT ALL!

  • So you double down Jeffie?

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Wha?

    Did he say "Jeffie"?

  • So what's the preview of the game gonna look like Jeff?

    "Your 2010 Chicago Bears against swiss cheese on rye"

    Why do I like the Bears?
    - And I always like the Bears (unless they're locked into the 2 seed).
    - Caleb Hanie has been waiting for his chance to break out for years. This is the game he breaks the single game passing record, you heard it here first.
    - Chester Taylor needs to earn his money and will want to prove his worth in this all important match-up. Look for him to run over Clay Matthews for at least two TDs.
    - With Olin taking the day off to rest his weary bones, Chris Williams will finally get the chance to prove himself at his natural position: kick returner (hey it worked for New England).
    - The Pack will spend so much time game planning for Peppers that they'll only be able to keep 7 or 8 players on the field because the entire starting offensive line will be on the sidelines protecting Mike McCarthy from a blind side by Julius after half time.

  • In reply to mottystone:

    NBT....nice!

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    Thank you sir. One more important piece:

    - If the Giants and Tampa both lose, the Pack won't care about the game either.

    At that point, the most interesting part of the game might be playing the over/under on the number of fans left in the stands by the fourth quarter.

  • In reply to mottystone:

    the giants/skins game is going on during the Bears/packers game.....

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    with all the debate raging i think all of us can come together and agree on some key items:

    Jackson...DEAD!
    Driver...DEAD!
    Jennings...DEAD!
    RODGERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!........FUCKING DEADMAN WALKING!!!!

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    Agreed, sir. Don't forget Matthews.....UGLY AND DEAD.

  • In reply to sjvl:

    Gotta admit, i love Matthews. He is a true football player from a true football family. I still have a Bruce Matthews Houston Oilers football card. When i was little i was amazed at how big his head was. The whole family are built like fucking Universal Soldiers.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    Love him next week, johnny. lol.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    The guy is a giant douche, with faggity hair.

  • In reply to MASOCHR:

    he's never done anything douchey. His hair is brutal but the boy can play. his only fault is wearing the green and gold.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    How bout his rampant steroid use in college? I'd call that douchey. He was like 90lbs when he walked on his freshman year, now he's a freak. And his best buddy and workouot pal Cushing got busted for them last year. Also, check out any interview with the guy, cocky beyond belief, with an undercurrent of pure vinigar and watter. Douche.

  • In reply to MASOCHR:

    his whole family is built the exact same way. that's genetics. i don't wanna bang him, i just like the way he plays.

  • In reply to MASOCHR:

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=chadiha_jeffri&page=hotread16/BrianUrlacher

    Can it be possible that TWO penis headed men were born of different mothers, yet are basically that same idiot?

    Trend dilbert & Tim hassleback

    Separated at birth?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    It's hard to tell Penises apart, not that I'm gay, not that there's anything wrong with that lol

    They must be Jewish though, no foreskin - unless they wear a turtle neck, I suppose.

  • In reply to MASOCHR:

    Da Coach, "I WOULD PLAY TO WIN THE GAME. PERIOD"

    http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=5971012

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Me like.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Hell ya! Listen to Da Coach.

  • In reply to Reichwolff:

    Teddy Bruschi says the Bears should play it like a playoff game and win it to get prepared. I totally agree.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    I do like Bruschi though. If I remember correctly, he's always been pretty fair to the bears...anyhow, he's probably the least offensive on there, which is like saying which goat stinks less...

  • In reply to KissMyButkus:

    Tedy is ex U of AZ. Directed a public service announcement with him his senior season. Class act, all the way.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    All of our positions have some sort of backup that is pretty capable except QB. Cutler should not play. I thought about it a little more and there is no reason to risk the whole season. Play everyone else if you want. Cutler should not play. No one can change my mind. If Cutler himself came over to the steakhouse that i'm having my anniversary dinner at and told me he wanted to play i'd still feel the same way.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    At least not for the next 10 minutes. (see how I did that?)

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    i can't make up my mind

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    I know johnny. Torn... like an old sweater

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Actually, you could have said 33 minutes.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Heard an interesting discussion on the radio a couple of weeks back and now I'm wondering. Where would folks rank Eli Manning in terms of the NFL QBs. The radio debate was whether he would crack the top ten.

    I'm thinking after Brady, Peyton Manning, Vick, Rodgers, Brees, Shaub and Rivers, the last three spots are tough to offer. But I'm thinking amoung Cutler, Ryan, McNabb, Flacco, and Cassell, who are all making their own cases this season to varying degrees, there's probably enough to keep Eli out of the discussion.

    Thoughts?

  • In reply to mottystone:

    McNabb is washed up and no longer deserves to be mentioned in the same sentence with Cutty.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    McNabb is not top 5, but he still has a few more solid years in him (3-5 I'd guess). He was not the reason Washington didn't get their offense together this year - the Shanahans can share that distinction. Cutler has the better arm and the better upside, but McNabb deserves a lot more respect than Philly or Washington ever give him.

  • In reply to mottystone:

    McNabb's service WILL be in demand. He has a home in a Phoenix 'burb. He has to look like a better option to the Cards than "Red" Skelton.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    +50 Red Skeleton reference.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Cardinals wore those (hideous all red nis in his first start.

    Mom watched Red's show religiously.
    I LOVED when he did the two pelicans, "Gertrude & Heathcliff"

    A late 1950s blooper reel I owned back when I was collecting Super 8 films included a cow dropping a load on stage during one of his skits.

    He always signed off with "Goodnight, and may god bless".

  • In reply to mottystone:

    McNabb isn't even top 20. When you get benched for Rex Grossman ...

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/12/30/brandon-marshall-endorses-tony-sparano-not-sure-about-chad-henne/

    Would you want this guy on the Bears next season? Yes, the guy is a baller, and yes all wide recievers are divas. But even though he seems like he really wants to play with Jay again, that comment sounds way too much like Randy Moss after the Vikings lost to the Patriots this year.

    I say we stay away from him if he hits the market. If he doesn't get any traction (a la TO) then we can pick him up before the preseason.

  • In reply to mottystone:

    I don't know who the guy is that did the mock draft but he suggests the Bears pick the same guy I hope the Bears draft.

    http://walterfootball.com/draft2011_1.php

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    I like the idea of Stephen Wisniewski better. Your guy has him going at the top of the 2nd round.

    http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2011swisniewski.php

    Thing is, that might be high. There's a chance we could trade up our second rounder for him, or trade out of the first round (which might only be 4 or 5 spots) to pick him up at the top of round 2 and get an extra mid round pick as well.

    I'm just really not excited about blowing our first Saturday pick in 3 years (wow) on the 9th or 10th tackle. The chances of another Chris Williams are just too great.

  • In reply to mottystone:

    John Moffitt from Wisconsin. Tape the Rose Bowl game and watch him play. He can also play center. He's the main reason Wisconsin has been putting up so many points and blowing teams out.

  • In reply to mottystone:

    I'm watching the first Vikings (On DVD) game from 1985. Still 3-3 early in the 2nd. Fuller just opicked off in the endzone and Jimmy Mac champing at the bit on the sideline.

    It's a Thursday Night edition of Monday Night football.

    The Announce crew?

    Frank Gifford, Joe Namath
    and the wife-killer himself, O.J. Simpson.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Loved that game!

  • In reply to PhantomOne:

    Have to give "Juice" SOME credit. In the Monday Night game later that year against Green Bay, (Also included in this DVD set) "The 'Fridge" led Walter into the endzone for a TD, CRUSHING Packer linebacker, George Cumby, as he did so. Later in the game, with Perry in on another goal line situation you hear O.J. utter, ominously, "Git LOW, Cumby" moments before William blasts into the endzone for his star-making TD.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Oddly, he said "Git this, scumby" just before slashing Nicole Brown's throat. Go figure.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Allegedly

  • In reply to PhantomOne:

    I agree with Viva: the offense and the line in particular have improved more than Jeff and others give them credit for. That's not to say they aren't without their flaws, but they are finding their way. Call the Jets pass-rush-deficient all you want, but that game was arguably a watershed moment -- they picked up all manner of blitzes, and the 2 sacks given up were really on Cutler.

    Here's some interesting comments from NFL scouts on the line and Tice's work -- http://www.suntimes.com/sports/football/bears/3089420-419/tice-offensive-coach-bears-mike.html

  • In reply to 750mL:

    Lennon and McCartney didn't really get along that famously. They competed mostly.

    I get that Tice and Martz both want back to the toppomost and don't exactly like each other, the result has been great for the players though.

    Tice may just save Chris Williams' NFL career if he keeps this up...

  • In reply to gpldan:

    ML...Results!!!!!!!! They sure don't have to love each other, but together the have gained big strides for this O...

    GP..right on target w/ CW..still question his passion for the game..JA pissed away #1 on his ass, should of been a #3 rounder

  • In reply to gpldan:

    And throw in that Lennon was the world's worst father (to Julian). I'm a huge beatles fan, but Lennon was a wanker. Paul rocks. Literally.

  • In reply to 750mL:

    I submit that before the bye, the Jets would have come away thinking the "New York Sack Exchange" had been reincarnated.

  • In reply to 750mL:

    Mike Tice has done an excellent job as line coach, to be sure.

    Did anyone think THAT group could look TAHT respectable this season?

    On the other hand, I can't help remembering that he basically came across as Fred Flintstone during his post-game pressers as Vikings' head Coach.

    With so many potential top spots opening up, I don't see how we hang onto Martz.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Was that the game where they were congratulating him on the birth of his kid before kick-off? Now that was disturbing in retrospect.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    It picks up the broadcast just before kick-off.

    No such reference there.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Q: Whatta call a guy who ends up on your porch with his arms and legs cut off?

    A: Matt

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Q: Whaddya call a guy with birds on his head?
    A: Cliff.

    Q: Whaddya get if you cut a sheep's head and legs off?
    A: A cloud.

    Q : What do you call a fish with no eyes?
    A: Fssssh!

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Jack.... womens bball... really?!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    You got something wrong with excellence, MB?

  • In reply to Mastodon:

    I DID want to send their Coach, Geno Auriemma, some cheese to go with all that whine he made at the presser before they tied UCLA.

    It a nice streak but let's face it, they play with a smaller ball and you can count on one hand the number of women's basketball programs that approach UCONN's.

    There's Tennessee, Stanford....that's it. That's the list.

    Sorry, I'm just not interested in women's basketball. All it does add clutter to the bottom line scorebioards and confusion until you see NCAAW next to the scores. Then add in the WNBA scores.

    Who cares? Is anyone BETTING on those games?

    Zzzzzzz.

    Apparently I am not alone in my apathy because If the NBA stopped subsidizing the WNBA, Women's pro Basketball have to fold their tents in short order.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Thank you al.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    I can't believe Uconn streak ended. That's like the Globe Trotters losing, except that even watching a fictional male basketball team is still infinitely more exciting than watching WNBA or NCAAW. This is not sexist, just true. The only ppl who watch that are ppl who are somehow personally connected to the programs, players, etc or real weirdos. Rex Ryan fetish status...

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    happy new year's bears clan! 2011! better live it up before the world ends in 2012 lol if we were to go, i would like nothing more than for our bears to win the last SB ever! now THATS a finish...

  • In reply to KissMyButkus:

    That's funny, I was thinking the exact same thing. And if there is a lockout next year, that would make this season's the last Superbowl ever. I'd be okay with the world ending as long as the Chicago Bears are the Champs. Just give me a few months to celebrate before it all comes crashing down.

  • In reply to KissMyButkus:

    Is it just me or does this seem like the longest week between games so far this year? Don't know why it's dragging but it is....

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    It's not just you, my friend. And think, if we rest our starters then our excitement for this weeks game will be over shortly after kickoff. Making it 3 of the longest weeks of our lives until we see our true beloved again.

  • In reply to mottystone:

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/12/29/pro-bowler-brandon-lloyd-has-a-two-word-message-for-his-former-teams/

    And here's another gem about prima donna wide recievers.

  • In reply to mottystone:

    I have no axe to grind against Brandon Lloyd but as they are so fond of sayng on the 4-Letterthese days...

    "C'MON, MAN!

    The Bears let him go because during his stint in Chicago,
    he was the wide receiver version of Chris Chandelier. He couldn't stay on the field for more than 2 games at a stretch without getting dinged.

    He didn't even PLAY last year.

    It' his first Pro-Bowl. Congratulations.

    It's his 8th season. Not exactly an overnight success.

  • In reply to mottystone:

    By the way Jeff, thanks for laying of the Orange Julius schtick.

  • In reply to mottystone:

    Jeff, I hadn't heard how your brother was taking the loss last weekend against the Bears? How much did he lose?

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    It wasn't enough, whatever it was.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Anyone hear Zach Zaidman on 670 today at about 4:30? I'm almost positive he was reading Jeff's post from today off his laptop. He basically said that although Lovie and the team are giving the fans and critics some nice sound bytes about playing their best football blah blah blah, they will NOT play the whole game.
    I agree with MB and Fresno that all this debating is like beating a dead horse, and Lovie will play who he plays when he plays them, and maybe it's because I am surrounded by cheeseknobs all year round, and maybe it's because I will be surrounded by them at Lambeau on Sunday, but I still want to see them kill the pack. In person.

    On a side note, can we make it known that the least cool word of 2011 will be "epic?"

  • In reply to bearsinwi:

    You should read bicycle racing stories. Everything is epic.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    drives me crazy. so overused. like, "my trip to wal-mart today was EPIC." No, your trip to wal-mart was not "heroic," "majestic," over even "impressively great."

  • In reply to bearsinwi:

    A trip to wal-mart is never anything but a pain in the ass.

    I love to ride bicycles and have been doing it my whole life. I do at least one week-long ride in the mountains every year for the last 20+ years. I've had one day (from Durango to Ouray in rain/sleet/hail) that I would consider epic.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Love biking and am an intrepid yearlong Chicago bike commuter.

    What bugs me is when "literally" is used for emphasis but means the exact opposite - "that movie literally blew my mind!" Since when are "literally" and "figuratively" synonyms?

  • In reply to Jokey:

    haha! Or even when it's used correctly, it usually doesn't make sense or need to be there. "I literally got in the car and drove away." I wasn't thinking you figuratively got in the car and drove away, JEEZ! :)

  • In reply to Jokey:

    I commute about 9 months of the year. I'm actually considering getting studded knobbies and riding year 'round. My nickname at work is Candy Ass because I don't ride those 3 months. Tough Crowd!

    I live in a city of just over a million. Fortunately most of the drivers are very considerate, other than busses and cabs. I used to live in Iowa and 95% of the people were super nice and the other 5% wanted to run you over. I've been bike commuting for 30+ years.

  • In reply to Jokey:

    Happy New Years Jeff and the DBB family. Got to echo Doc's advice. Please don't drink and drive.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Gee, what could you possibly know of such things, Canada?

    Seriously, glad you turned the corner, mang.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    good for you!! That's awesome. I would guess that you're being humble and most of your biking trips are probably pretty epic, but that last one sounds like a killer.

  • In reply to bearsinwi:

    Yeah, I've ridden that stretch 3 times, twice S-N and once N-S. It's a litte over 70 miles and 3 mountain passes. It was the weather that made it epic that time. It's not that difficult if you pace yourself and train a little bit. My friends and I are always the last to get in for the day. We may be slow but we have fun.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    HAPPY NEW YEAR! Let's all take Doc's advice. And don't forget, it's not YOU you have to worry about, it's all the other drunks. Can't wait to see what mmBEARSSSSS will bring for us in 2011!!!

  • In reply to bearsinwi:

    Vick isn't starting Sunday, per ESPN. Figures.

  • In reply to sjvl:

    That puts some brown mustard in FQD's hot dog, doesn't it?

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I'm slightly concerned about Cutty...but yeah, FQD got hosed.

  • In reply to sjvl:

    They truly have nothing to lose or gain. I wouldn't start him either.

  • In reply to sjvl:

    All other arguments aside, the 10 point betting line speaks VOLUMES.

  • In reply to sjvl:

    I bit on the Bears +10.

  • In reply to PhantomOne:

    I wonder, should Atlanta & New Orleans OBILGE us and LOSE early Sunday, could that line could swing mightily, providing the wrap before Bears-Packers kicks off?

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    I'll hedge if we play opossum. The only thing I hate worse than losing, is losing money.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Coach also predicted the Jets to beat the Bears.

  • In reply to MASOCHR:

    Here's another interesting back and forth: http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=5970374

  • In reply to MASOCHR:

    More on our injuries: http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/nfl/news/story?id=5971046

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    But, that's one huge fault.

  • In reply to MASOCHR:

    OK.

    I know I'm a real WALLFLOWER here and a bit TIMID about making my feelings known but...

    SCREW YOU Roger Goodell for that $50K fine for Narcissus!!!

    "A lack of cooperation" !?!?

    DUH!

    If he wasn't cooperating, YOU SHOULD HAVE SUSPENDED HIS SORRY ASS UNTIL HE DID!!! Same way you would have suspended 600 other players in the same situation.

    Show of hands.
    Who things Mr. Goodell went soft on thias because it was Narcissus?

    Couldn't find anything he did illegal? Screw THAT concept, too!

    If you DON'T think this is being swept under the rug I present the
    Ben Roethlisberger case as exhibit "A" in rebuttal.

    If I'm Big Ben, I'm coming after a refund of the 4 game-checks you cost him with EVEN THOUGH HE WAS NEVER CHARGED WITH ANYTHING, EITHER!

    Can you say "Whitewash" boys and girls?

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Very soft on him Albert. Gave him the opportunity to make a somewhat graceful exit. Poor excuse that he couldnt tell Favre sent the picks. Call him in your office and check his dick. I forgot I think Roger has already checked Brett's dick, often and up close!

  • In reply to iamndmurff:

    True Grit wasn't half bad Murph. Glad I saw it.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Glad you liked it Trac. After saying the last good one was Gladiator, I was afraid your expectations might be too great. Ya just never know till you see it for yourself.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    No doubt Al. I'll give Favre credit for dummying up but he should have been suspended for at least 1 game for not cooperating.

    I get the part that Goodell can't prove Favre sent the pics. But if it's his wang and it was his phone that sent the pics ...

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Right now I don't see the G-men as a legit threat. That meltdown against Philly sucked the life out of them.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    exactly Canada.

    I'd MUCH rather face them than the Pack... that are getting healthier by the week.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I don't get the lack of respect for the Falcons. Ryan carved us up with that short game as a rookie. I don't think he has regressed.

    I know most people on here love Peanut (myself included) but watching the Jets replay on NFL network is almost painful. Almost all those slants were against him.

    It takes pinpoint accuracy to throw those all day but there are a bunch of QB's in the playoffs that can do that. I'm more worried about our D in the playoffs.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Lets be honest, most Bears fans realize the Cheese have the potential to be very dangerous in the post season. I'm not saying the Falcons are bad but they don't concern me as much the the Cheese come Conference Championship day.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Falcons, Saints and Cheese are all about equal this year. They have different strengths and weakness, and then I think it becomes about match ups.

    The Falcons run the ball well, and really rely on that. But guess what? Our D stuffs the run game.

    The Saints and the Pack barely even run, but against our run-D, that might not be a negative. Besides, the Saints are beginning to find the run, and the Pack are getting healthier, so both those teams should do damage if in the post-season.

    Eagles and Gmen are both wildly inconsistent, and the Seahawks/Rams shouldn't even be in the playoffs.

    Some like beer, some like liquor I suppose...

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    1. The Green Bay Packers are our greatest threat to REACH the Super Bowl. (We will own the Giants, if we're fortunate enough to play them again. I smell their diva-scented team-eating arrogance from where I sit, 3000 miles away.)

    2. The New England Patriots are our greatest threat to WIN the Super Bowl. (These guys live to win, unless you have them -5 against the Cleveland Browns with some coin on the line. ) ASSHOLES!

    In order for us to acheive the endstate we all desire, we are going to need to beat them both.

    Jeffe - Forte is not averaging 4.7 yards per carry over the course of the last 4 weeks by accident. Our club has come further along then I think you give them credit for (otherwise you would not see the Giants as as grave a threat).

    One more thing - I think Toub is going to get his chance to take a HC position immediatly following the Super Bowl. I don't think his talent can go unnoticed any longer. Not to fret, (barring injuries or a work stoppage) we are going to be the # 1 seed next year.

    BEAR DOWN

  • In reply to PhantomOne:

    Wow... that's pretty ballsy Viva... especially from my porch-side vantage point off your globus pallidus.

    Truly spectacular.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Okay, MB, you win. I looked it up and I still don't understand a "porch-side vantage points off your globus pallidus".

  • In reply to Mastodon:

    He's in my head. I allowed it to happen every time he brings up a power ranker.

  • In reply to PhantomOne:

    The defensive starters need to play the whole game on Sunday, and correct the problems from the last few weeks, especially the Jets game. They got over aggressive and were exposed on the edges. If they play disciplined football on defense, and tackle properly, they should beat the Packers. It's all about team right now.

  • In reply to PhantomOne:

    I think we can beat anyone in the NFL except the Patriots. Bad HCs do not out-coach geniuses. Ever.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    I think he refused to show them his weenie to compare to the photos.

    They totally went soft on him - anyone else would have been suspended and fined.

    My heart is permanently warmed by the fact that his career was ended by Woot Woot Wootten. Never forget that.

  • In reply to sjvl:

    went soft.... Hahahahahaha... haaa hahah... ha... oh... uh... was that on purpose?

  • In reply to sjvl:

    lol; I saw what you did there too, sj

  • In reply to Mastodon:

    :)

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    I can smell Sterger's lawyer a mile away. This guy is using the case to make his career. If he had any credible evidence he would have filed to avoid the statute of limitations running. Now, he's just stirring the pot to keep his 15 minutes alive.

    Goodell wasn't soft on Favre. He was soft on Sterger because Favre is such a hard guy to like. Goodell should have been done with this MONTHS ago. He could have stood up and "I don't see any evidence that Favre violated the personel policy, but by all means Ms. Sterger should file suit." That would have kept all this negative press from stinking up the whole season.

    And if Favre really was being cagey (which you can't fall somebody looking at a big money big press lawsuit for doing) then fine. Fine the guy $50K (or $500K) and be done with it. A real leader knows how to get rid of baggage, and that's what Goodell should have done.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Al...It was on 50K because Goodell was jealous of the old mans junk. He was afraid Farve would tell everyone in the NFL that Goodell had a "teenie weenie"

  • In reply to MASOCHR:

    Jeff, I completely agree that we will probably see a repeat of 2006 UNLESS the Falcons and Saints go down during the 1pm games (I just can't see two big upsets like that happening, but who knows).

    I don't agree that we should be concerned about the Giants. Outside of a great pass rush, they are average at best on the secondary. Their O is far from explosive. AND they would have to advance to the NFC championship game in order to face us as the 2 seed anyway... which ain't gonna happen.

    The Pack are a far more dynamic team. They can play lights out D and A-Rod + WR's really match up against the weakness of our defense. They can't run the ball much, but if Rodgers gets time he is lethal (as much as I hate him). I'd feel more comfortable stopping the Giants running game than the Packers pass attack. I think their respective Defenses are somewhat equal in overall production, although, I think the giants need a big game from their front 4 to mask a weak-ish secondary.

    Regardless, the packers have everything to play for and we don't. That simple fact probably means we will lose this game. If we fall behind (like 2006, see Rex Grossman "didn't prepare hard for the game" bullshit) watch for Lovie to yank everyone.

    As for the playoffs: Here's to hoping that whoever gets the 6 seed beats Philly. Both the Giants and Packers can accomplish that. I think the recipe for killing them is hitting Vick early and often. Even late. He's not going to hold up well to 3 playoff games. Sorry Eagles fans, no super bowl for you. In all likely hood I think that means we get the Ain'ts at Home. Rematch 2006 NFC championship game.

  • In reply to JimmyNewport:

    I would actually root for Green Bay to beat the Eagles. I may throw up in the process, but worth it to see them out of the race.

  • In reply to sjvl:

    Look Sj, I know you were traumatized by eagles fans a few years back, but you can't be serious?

    All of you who aren't afraid to play the Pack in the playoffs can't be serious. Like doc said above. Besides the pats, the pack is the most dangerous team to meet deep in the playoffs. I think NO is always dangerous with Brees, but even they don't scare me as much as the pack.

    We need to do our part to exorcize the pack out of the playoffs this weekend.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    You have an un-natural Packers fear boner MB. They lost to the fucking Lions. The Packers "aint shit" as the kids are saying.

  • In reply to MASOCHR:

    It's not so much a GB fear boner as it is an un-natural desire for this squad to notch the historic NFCN sweep Coach. I just so badly want to see it happen that I'm only looking that far ahead.

    They are very beatable (as we've already proven once), but they are also very dangerous. More dangerous that the Giants or Eagles in my mind.

  • In reply to MASOCHR:

    Coach...said fear boner.hahahahahahehehehehehahahahahaha
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RrWfNonLDQ&feature=related

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Oh, I am serious as a heart attack, MB.

  • In reply to JimmyNewport:

    Jimmy makes a good point. The Giants didn't really rack up the rushing yards until the 4th quarter, AFTER the Bear Defense had spent most of the game on the field.

  • In reply to JimmyNewport:

    Um ... we've already beaten the Packers, guys. Back before they had 13 guys on IR and we sucked really badly.

  • In reply to MASOCHR:

    Ergo a bigger version of Cortland Finnegan.

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    Unlike the "...First Ever Shootout..." thread, I am in complete agreement on this one, Blogfather.

    "50% of this game is 90% emotion" - Yogi Berra.

    Maybe it was "90% of this game is 50% emotional" but you get my drift.

    All the "We want to beat 'em" talk is fine as well as expected but I just don't see how the air doesn't go out of the Bears' emotional balloon if they take the field Sunday afternoon knowing their playoff position is locked in to the #2 slot.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    "Ninety percent of this game is half-mental."

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Gonna do something I never do, Al. Disagree with you.

    This is the Packers we're talking about. Something tells me the Bears can find a way to muster up some emotion for this game, regardless of the #2 slot. How could they not?

  • In reply to sjvl:

    The evidence is damning. News year's Eve, 2005.

    If derailing the Packers' season was the ONLY reason the Bears had to play for, I could see it. But this is clearly a case of "We have bigger fish to fry".
    Or as Da coach said in '85:
    "...miles to go."

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    I disagree Al and Jeff. Keep the edge on. Win or lose, this is great preparation for playoff like intensity, and will make the team better. This tough competition at the end of the year should make them better when the playoffs start. I hope I'm right.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    I'm with you, Cor, and I hope we're both right.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Well, I'm on the Al and Jeff camp, and if u check out the last thread, know exactly who I would play and rest, so not need to go over all that again.

    Like I said, the Colts rested and lost in SB, the Pats played balls to the walls, and lost in SB. I will say this however, about the Pats. Belichick doesn't really give a shit about injuries - he thinks he's smart enough to win with any players, and between their superior drafting, his intelligence and/or cheating, he might be right. The only player they can't lose is Tom Brady, and hell, they even won like 11 games without him.

    WE ARE NOT BLESSED WITH DEPTH (due to 2 seasons of draft limitations,and another 3 of misfiring on the the first 3 rounds) or HIGH FOOTBALL HC ACUMEN. Injury will hurt us more - who can doubt this?

    That's my logic. HOWEVER, my heart wants to beat down the Pack at Lambeau...nothing would be sweeter than Jay kneeling at the end of the game, while the cameras pan out to the stunned cheeshead mugs in the crowd, tears frozen on pudgy cheek...

  • In reply to KissMyButkus:

    And I think it's safe to say you can add in "JA is our GM" into your third paragraph as a qualifier.

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    Wish sunday was here already...... can't wait to see our team kill the pack!!! Its a beautiful thing to be discussing what were going to do on sunday while the other 24 teams and fans sit around wondering what are they going to do next year.

  • In reply to BEARSFAN78:

    exactly

  • In reply to BEARSFAN78:

    Looking forward to the Eagles and Green Bay being in that wondering category...

  • In reply to BEARSFAN78:

    Fudgers wants it a whole lot more and will win sunday. There I said it. A friend of mine wrote this essay on emotion in football which is a great read if you have 10 minutes - an eternity in internet time, I know, but very insightful to someone like me who's never played the game. http://www.cornellbigred.com/sports/2010/9/1/FB_0901105954.aspx

  • In reply to Jokey:

    Awesome. So true.

    Wish I could play again. If I was given the opty, I'd do it in a heartbeat.

  • In reply to Jokey:

    My favorite line was this:

    "Second chances at the perfect moments of youth are more valuable than anything than swollen bank accounts can afford."

    Only played football at middle school level, but played goalkeeper through high school and in rec leagues for much of my adult life. And though soccer is a different game, stopping three shots in a shootout to win the league final was one of those moments for me. So I mostly get it, I think.

  • In reply to Jokey:

    That was a great story. For about 4 years, from 14-17, our pickup team played almost every weekend in the fall and winter against a team that was 1-3 years older than us. We played in every type of weather, and never won, but it was always fun. They were bigger, faster, and stronger than us, but some days we actually beat them up, and it made it all worth it somehow. I know it's blasphemy, but I have a quote on my desk from Vince Lombardi that states:
    The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of strength, not a lack of knowledge, but a lack of will.

  • In reply to Jokey:

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/12/30/nfl-reduces-big-fines-to-harrison-robinson-and-meriweather/

    This is Goodell saying "I'm sorry I screwed up the Favre thing so badly, and every other discipline issue this season. But hey, at least I can try to apologize to these guys." And Harrison is still paying too much money for that hit.

    In other news, NFL staff are reporting that Goodell originally didn't want to reduce the fines. But when he tried to justify his math in comparison to other decisions in the season the chalkboard exploded into a rip in the space time continuum.

    Goodell's accounting department are currently unavailable for comment due to serving prison sentences for their previous jobs at Enron.

  • In reply to mottystone:

    +100

    Sterger is feeling like she should have just STFU now. The backlash against her for this will be considerable, esp. if she proceeds with a civil case.

  • In reply to Jokey:

    Read this Cheesehead comment from packers.com:

    Honestly, this is another problem with the NFL---sitting players because they already have the 2nd seed locked up and are in the playoffs---why even play the game then? It is pretty obvious the Pack will win and make the playoffs. The NFL needs to figure these sorts of things out---seeding should somehow not be determined until game 16 is over and done with. Or better yet, they should play this game at the same time as the others and the scores should not be posted for the others to see. It is almost not fair to the other teams that are vying for a playoff spot and may play their butts off to get there only to be put out of the playoffs because the Bears really dont' give a crap because they know they are already the second seed.

    Wow.

  • In reply to sjvl:

    Or they could have taken care of business in the prior 16 weeks of the season so they wouldn't have to worry about this.
    Bunch of whiny twits and think this game is a lock to boot.
    Nice.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Bingo

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I like the part about hiding the scores until all the games are done. In which universe would this happen? Only in Wisconsin, I guess.

  • In reply to sjvl:

    Yeah really - make all the fans leave their cell phones and radios at will call. He has half a point though. Maybe in week 17 every game should be played at 1:30pm Central time.

  • In reply to Jokey:

    How about

    "Do we HAVE to count the loss to the Lions?"

  • In reply to mottystone:

    I don't care what they do!!! Bring anyone on!!! Playoffs!!!! Remember, fellas? hahahahaha i love this team.

  • In reply to mottystone:

    Kinda tired of debating it, although it made for a couple great days on the blog. I think it

  • In reply to mottystone:

    I agree with MB that this could go either way. But one thing I never understood about the "resting" the starters bit to avoid injury is why, if you choose to do that, you would start them *at all*? I mean, it is not as though Cutler is only capable of being injured in the second half and not the first. So why does Jeff say play them during the first half? The consistent position is: if you're going to rest the starters, don't play them at all. Otherwise, go ballz to the wallz. The medium-shit, where you're resting but not resting, or playing but not playing ballz to the wallz--this is where the injuries happen a lot anyway. So I'd rather see Lovie not play them at all if his intent isn't to win the game but to "rest the starters."

  • In reply to jj320:

    Very good point, no one's brought this up yet. What's the point of them playing at all if they sit for a half. I wish we'd beat the pack and end this season on that note but I say don't even play the starters at all. Get ready for the playoffs.
    And for those of us who argue 'look what happened in 06', we didn't sit our starters from the very beginning of that contest. Don't play 'em(starters) at all, if they make it back to soldier field in a couple weeks, pound 'em(fudge).

  • In reply to mottystone:

    Caleb Hanie would have to be promoted from emergency QB (where he's been for at least the last two months) before he could get in the game, wouldn't he? I always thought the third QB could only get in if the the two guys in front of him went down. Could be a tell if this week he's taking snaps in practice instead of running the scout team...

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    I was thinking the same thing. Collins is the #2 QB right now, isn't he? Martz likes him over Hanie probably since he's run the Martz offense before. Hanie has more firepower and potential IMO.

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    UConn women's basketball lose. 90 game win streak.
    Can't win them all. No sir, cannot win 'em all.

  • In reply to mottystone:

    btw...blogfader...COLLINS! you would start COLLINS!!!!!!!

    HOLY F$!@#$!@# BATMAN!

  • In reply to mottystone:

    From Bears Site:

    "Three Bears players sit out Wednesday's practice
    Posted: 12/29/2010 5:13:00 PM
    Receiver Earl Bennett (ankle), center Olin Kreutz (not injury related) and linebacker Pisa Tinoisamoa (knee) did not practice Wednesday as the Bears began preparing for Sunday

  • In reply to Reichwolff:

    Bennett should play a few drives if he's healthy, especially if Hanie is in at that point. But if he's hurt, he can sit - he's a huge asset on special teams and our solid #3 reciever. Get that ankle 100%

    Pisa has been resting and probably should play just to shake off some cobwebs. But again, if he's hurt, rest him.

    Olin is more "veteran" than most. The only good reason I see to put one more game on those knees before the playoffs is to keep the O-line consistent. But I am curious to know who will be playing center in a year or two, and now is a good time to find out. We're actually at a great spot in the draft to pick a star guard/center in the 1st round.

    The rest of the guys should play part of the game, if for no other reason than to give fans their money's worth. I would feel really stupid right now if I paid big money for these tickets mid-season and now I go watch Todd Collins and Jaron Gilbert compete for MVP honors.

  • In reply to mottystone:

    Didn't we trade that first round pick for Cutler?

  • In reply to Mastodon:

    no, that was last draft. We picked Jarron Gilbert and he sucked so the Jets took him off of our hands. We have a first round pick this year...i think.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    We have all of our picks this year. Although, with JA still picking it won't matter. The 1st round pick will be some guy with an injury history (probably from Vanderbilt), round 2 will be a 5'6" CB from East Texas State Barber College, 3rd pick will be a clone of Garrett Wolfe and after that, JA will work his magic.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Hey low blow there! Some pretty good barbers have come out of East Texas State Barber College. True, they were a little on the short side but with either a small stool or an adjustable chair, they were competitive...

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Hee hee.

    Exactly Canada... but he's not that bad.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    +1
    I'm guessing a DT with terminal brain cancer or a midget RB.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    Oh and hey Viva... check out some love from none other than Donald D. Banks (the "D" stands for douchebag): http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/don_banks/12/30/2010-nfl-awards/index.html

    Hey, do you mind if I paint the walls in here btw, the grey is a bit dreary as a matter of fact (see how I did that?)

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Based on his article, KC is starting to sound like Patriots West...

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    yeah, guy's a moron.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I'm beginning to think they have to list "Moron" on their resumes to qualify for those jobs.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Briggs Quote "This game even though we clinch'd a first round bye we can Knock our opponent out of the playoff race so I think thats enough to play for"

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I got the grey matter reference. Very clever. How does it feel to see the future, daddio?

  • In reply to PhantomOne:

    Ha HAA!

    I like you viva... maybe it's the philosophy degree.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Side rant...Hey, Viva and MB, I somewhat minored in philosophy. Took some epistemology, aesthetics, ethics blah blah blah classes...which philosophers do you guys like? and part two of my question, which philosopher do you guys read who is actually still alive? Need some new reading material - on can only read From "Socrates to Sartres" so many times lol

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I dropped that philosophy class because Kierkegaard was too hard to spell.

    Packer fans my be checking out THE CONCEPT OF DREAD, though.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Jeff, If you give us a new thread to get us away from this debate, we promise not to bug you for another one until next year.

    Happy New Year everyone!

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    Did we release Gilbert? I gotta say its a little early for that. We couldn't at least keep him on practice squad to finish the rookie year?

  • In reply to mottystone:

    Dude, NB... it might have even happened last year, or maybe before he was even drafted.

    Man, that is soooo early season.

  • In reply to mottystone:

    In fairness to JA, he did at least pick a guy that was awesome jumping out of swimming pools.

  • In reply to mottystone:

    pisa was full participation in practice today...

  • In reply to mottystone:

    I would like to see the offense play at least a couple series into the 3rd quarter. The one big difference we've seen in this team with Martz has been major offensive output in the 3rd quarter, after making half-time adjustments. I want to see that in this final game.

    The exception may be if they drop 21+ points in the first half -- then go ahead and sit the starters.

  • In reply to 750mL:

    I don't think I would do that Michael. I would play our vanilla schemes, so that we don't show our hand to our future opponents - esp the Fudge.

  • In reply to 750mL:

    New (years) Thread, please.

    Public Service Announcement:

    If you want to see the bears win the Superbowl this season, please don't drink and drive tonight! Toking is okay, but if you're driving, don't fucking drink! CALL A FUCKING CAB! Use your brain! Stay alive!

    On a lighter note, My New Years resolution is to eat more, put on some weight, take up smoking or chewing, and cuss a whole lot more.

    BEAR DOWN

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    If your New Years' resolution turns out like any of mine have, by the end of 2011 you'll have the body of Lance Armstrong and the mouth of Tim Tebow.

  • In reply to jj320:

    Hahaaaa! Hung like Einstein and as smart as a horse!

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    My advice? Take your significant other out for an early dinner then get thee safely home before it gets REALLY drunk out.

    This is a high holy day as far as the professional drunks are concerned. They'll be well-lubricated before it gets dark.

    As if that weren't bad enough, THEY will be reinforced by a legion of AMATEUR drunks.

    There's a Marx Brothers Marathon on Turner Classics

    Rufus T. Firefly: "I'm sorry I called you a baboon. It isn't fair to the other baboons."

  • In reply to DocNitty34:

    HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!!!!!!!! DRINK IT UP

  • In reply to mottystone:

    Yawn.....sigh..... Tired of debating. If we play we play if we dont we dont. We got our ticket already.

  • In reply to mottystone:

    NewBear,
    The logical choice if we get a late first rounder is John Moffitt from Wisconsin. He's a guard now, but also played center for a year and filled in when the center was injured. The guy is incredible. Watch THIS #74 in the Rose Bowl. Reminds me of Kruetz when drafted, with the same intensity, but just a lot bigger and stronger.

  • In reply to mottystone:

    In terms of talent/ability, Bennett is our #1. Can anyone tell me Hester or Knox are well-rounded receivers?

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    And Olin is already toast in case no-one has watched him closely this year. It's not a matter of a "year or two down the road" - he needs to replace ASAP.

  • I don't remember the poll questions being stated exactly that way. But I've got CRS (can't remember shit) so I'm not sure.

  • Doc, look at you... nice use of the hyper text markup language there lad.

  • I agree 110%. That piece should be required reading for anyone here who has never played organized football (like me)....

  • All these comparisons from the year we played the cheese in '06 aren't even apples to apples. The Cheese had already lost like 8 games and had been eliminated from post season play. You play to win the game and our coaching staff cannot afford not to miss an opportunity to work on our offensive and defensive schemes. It's not like we were blowing the doors off our competition this year and we need the game time experience more than most teams that made the playoffs.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    I said the same thing in the last thread Trac..behind you all the way.

  • I think we will be fine no matter who we play Doc. You never what will have happened by the time we play our first game. I very badly want to beat the cheese, whether they make the playoffs or not.

  • Classic Lovie smoke screen. Key starters will be out by halftime. Let's knock their dicks in the dirt for the first half anyway.

  • Please god no.

    Stick with what you have.

  • I did doc, I did.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Or should I say:

    I DID doc, i did.

  • ha! an Ed Zachary reference! one of my favorite jokes of all time.

  • Ha

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Like it.

  • Fed up getting no answers... this american girl walks into the office of a traditional chinese herbal medicine doctor....

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    ... and she goes "Doctor, I've been sleeping with a much older man and my vadge secretions have a terrible odor now - can you give me medicine for that?"

    "No, but I can give you cream of Sum Yung Gai ..."

  • I have an injury fear boner, or would, if that were physically possible.

  • In reply to sjvl:

    You are a peach, Sarah Jane Victoria Lynn!

  • In reply to Mastodon:

    Why thank you, sir!

  • In reply to Mastodon:

    Dave, it's becoming apparent to me that you have a just a plain old boner.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    No photos, please.

  • I would like to see a little Dez Sunday.

  • In reply to sjvl:

    Dez is our best TE. Period.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Seems the staff disagrees

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Oh come ON.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I'm not exactly on the Chris Harris bandwagon or anything, but after one year it does look like almost all of us - myself included - were wrong about the Jamar trade. Carolina got hosed in that deal, we got Iwuh and he is superior in almost every way.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Damn, now the genie is out of the bottle.

    Peter King is still an asshole.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    So is Herm Edwards.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    An interesting analogy:

    http://chicago.sbnation.com/chicago-cubs/2010/12/30/1904586/chicago-bears-green-bay-packers-nfl-chicago-cubs-mlb

  • In reply to gpldan:

    GP..http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXRBELZpKak

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    FU!$#@$K:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXRBELZpKak

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    I AM SO TIRED OF THIS DEBATE!!!!!!!!!!

    Are we there yet? Is it Sunday yet Dad?
    Crikey I'm getting cranking because I want my BEARS now. Damn we have beaten this horse to death...play the FU#@!$#$!@ING Game!

    sorry DBBers I think I just had a Holiday Crash...I need my fix.

    WERE THE FU$!#@$#!@$K are my Bears!...Damn going to have to over to Al's and watch the 85's ,,Al I will see you in nine hours..do I bring the Old Style or Sliders.

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    So here's my prediction (tired of debating whether starters will play, so I'll give two predictions):

    1. Starters finish game: Bears 28 Pack 24
    2. Starters leave at half or early in third: Bears 14 Pack 31

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    Why would you bring one without the other?

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    Happy New Years DBBers - I can't wait to watch Collins and Hanie lead us to victory on Sunday. GB is meaningless and we are going to the Super Bowl if we stay healthy. Bear Down in the 2nd round of the playoffs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    Let's still put Wooten out there though. He is 1 for 1 in career killings.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    My New Year's resolution is to never to watch Todd Collins play football again.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    Happy New Year DBB!!

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    John Fox spends the start of 2011 unemployed. Probably not for long, though.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Brilliant gp.

    Next order or business... html etiquette classes

  • In reply to gpldan:

    How did Carolina get hosed? They were going to cut him anyway. We got an aging safety - and despite his batch of interceptions, is not good in coverage .. an they got a greta young LB. He's been injured, not his fault. We've been less than stellar on D since Pisa's been out.

  • I don't see enough of the other QB's but I'm guessing your top 5 are correct. I think Cutler is on the door step if he can just eliminate the boneheaded throws. I can live with the picks but just don't throw it up for grabs. Especially in the red zone. That back handed flip by Brees the other night that was a pick-six was stunning. Talk about a boneheaded throw!

    If Cutler and Martz can stay together for a few more years and the OL improves, I think he can move into the top 5.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Not that it matters, but I'd take BOTH Rodgers and Brees over Rivers, and I can't believe you wouldn't!

  • In reply to jj320:

    +1

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Rogers over both Brees and Rivers

  • In reply to Mastodon:

    If I'm picking three QBs for my team : Brady, Rodgers and Vick. No pussies allowed (apart from Brady).

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Forgot about Big Ben. I'm not rating any of these guys in order (although Brady has to be #1) but it's amazing how many good QB's there are in the NFL. Not to date myself too much but back in the 60's and 70's there were a handful of good QB's and a bunch of inconsistent guys. It seems like each decade the QB's and WR's get better. It used to be you would see 3-4 one-handed catches a year. Now you see that many each week.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Every QB is on the doorstep if they can just eliminate the bonehead throws.

  • As long as he doesn't start.

  • Great post Doc. I think the first game at home against any team is in our favor. If we have to go to Atlanta, I think it will be a close game that goes down to the wire, with the Bears prevailing at the end.

  • I would not put Rodgers in the top five yet. He has great receivers and puts up a lot of numbers, but he doesn't finish in close games. The Packers have lost 6 games by 20 points and have the #1 scoring defense in the league. He reminds me of Eric Kramer for the Bears. Lots of numbers, but chokes at the end of games.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    How about Peyton Manning? Chokes at the end of seasons. Bada-bing!

  • Oh god. Does this mean "Art" is coming to visit?

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    When that happens all is lost. That's why I haven't posted any. Even my favorite photo of sex cannon being bummed by a packer.

  • Roethlissberger has to be on the list. I have daughters, sisters, and a mother, so I truly detest the man, but he is very good and very clutch.

  • In reply to PhantomOne:

    And a Steeler. Fuck him.

  • In reply to Mastodon:

    Big Ben's career is being shortened by the pounding he takes on a weekly basis. Even at his size, it eventually adds up.

  • "I hope the players aren't thinking about injuries on Sunday, or they WILL get hurt"

    I thought about writing that a couple threads ago, but did not. Playing to "not get" anything usually means you will get burned. Kinda like a "prevent" defense.

  • Agree Doc, with your analysis on future teams, but must disagree with you on "you play to win the game". Very true, a team plays to win the game, in order to reach the SB. If winning the game contains no value other than bragging rights and alleged "momemtum", than that might be a win, but not really a victory. Again, we might win the battle, but with a Cutler/Peppers/Lach injury, we may lose the war...anyhow, enough of that.

    On the fearboner aspect, I agree that the Saints are probably the most dangerous. For one, they seem like they're peaking at the right time, and those teams usually are very dangerous in the playoffs. The fact that they also happen to be the World Champs and not some cinderella team, and are getting healthy, makes them that much more lethal. And their O is built to beat our D - the only QB who runs their scheme as efficiently and patiently as Brady, is Brees. So the Saints are probably the most concerning team.

    Falcons don't scare me. Eagles less. Gmen or Pack a little, but I think we have really improved since the bye and can take them. Rams/Seahawks don't even deserve mention (contraditcion intended).

    We need to go back, back to the future!

    (Sorry Doc, with your name, I am endlessly going to make Back to the Future references lol It is the 25th anniversary of not only the greatest team of all time, but perhaps movie - coincidence? I think not lol)

  • Unlike the Bears, the Eagles have NOT been so fortunate in the injury department. They seem to lose somebody of value every week, lately, and it's slowlym but surely, taken a toll.

    The hits have added up on Vick too.

  • Well said Doc.
    "I want you f***ers to give it 110% out there !!"
    "Excuse me coach ... um ... you want us to give 10% more than we're capable of giving?"
    "That's right!!"

  • There's the small matter of playing for the #1 seed, something which is getting over-looked too.

  • Is there a bunch of old threads with a lot of fkd up html on there ?

  • Rivers is blessed with the team around him, I'd have him around 6 or 7. Rodgers is easily top three. He's had a crappy o-line, something the others don't have to contend with. Brees is brutal under pressure sometimes, and at barely 6 feet tall, he's probably #5.

    Cassell definitely belongs in there, 27 TDs 5 INTs. Josh Freeman is coming along too - 23 and 6. Much as it kills me to mention him, Eli Manning is about 4th in yards and TDs. But nobody's got the skills Vick has - he's got a stronger arm than either Manning and Peyton must be the slowest guy in the NFL. mR. Vick is one of only four QBs rated higher than 100. Peyton is rated 11th, Cutler 13th.

    1 Tom Brady 109.8
    2 Philip Rivers 103.9
    3 Aaron Rodgers 101.9
    4 Michael Vick 100.2
    5 Matt Cassel 98.8
    6 Tony Romo 94.9
    7 Joe Flacco 94.6
    8 Ben Roethlisberger 94.3
    9 Josh Freeman 93.6
    10 Drew Brees

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