Devin Hester: The Greatest There's Ever Been

As the Chicago Bears wake up this morning as champions of the NFC North, it is time for us to put into perspective something that rarely occurs for any NFL franchise, any sports franchise in any league anywhere.  Look around the landscape of American and international sports and answer the following question: is there any current athlete who is the greatest all-time at their position?  

Manning and Brady have not yet eclipsed the accomplishments of Montana.  Ray Lewis is debatable but Butkus, Bednarik, Nitschke and the old guard would certainly have cases.  LeBron, Kobe, Duncan...no, no, no.  Jimmie Johnson?  Don't say that to a NASCAR fan.  Tiger Woods, ability aside, can't yet be ranked above Jack Nicklaus.  Perhaps there is one - Yankees closer Mariano Rivera.  Rivera is without question the greatest closer in the history of the position but the position itself is a relatively new incarnation, emerging in the early-to-mid 70s.  
Kick returns have been part of football since football began and no one has performed the task with more artistry, precision and excellence than Devin Hester.  It took Brian Mitchell thirteen seasons to reach thirteen touchdowns and Hester has surpassed that mark in five.  Five!  He has scored more return touchdowns than the man considered to be the best returner in history in eight less seasons.  
Add to the statistics what Hester has meant to the Chicago Bears organization over these past five seasons.  His and Brian Urlacher's rescuing the Bears from the depths of the "they are what we thought they were" game.  His dominating the Rams single-handedly in Week 14 of that season.  The only lasting memory of the 2007 season was Hester's de-pantsing of Mike Shanahan, returning a kick and punt for a touchdown in a must-win game for both sides.  
And then there was the Super Bowl - a game most of us have chosen to cast into the deep, dark recesses of our memory.  That game, disaster though it may have become, still allowed Devin Hester to provide one of the proudest moments in the history of the organization.  (I've included that video and one other after the jump.)  
He is simply the greatest.  And years from now we will all tell stories of having seen him play football right before our eyes.  

One of the greatest calls of a Hester return...

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  • FIRST TO SAY NFC NORTH CHAMPS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Devin Hester is Unique! I know I have and we all have down played his WR skills, which he is has improved drastically. His press conference after the game was heart warming. A guy who has great respect and appreciation of his teammates, is an ok guy in my book. He did not take all the glory to himself, he gave thanks and was very humble. I believe that kind of mentality this team has comes from Lovie Smith.

  • In reply to Grizzly559:

    A whole paragraph without saying 'fuck'. Game ball Fres. Game ball.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    hee hee

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Hey MB, did you see that book I mentioned to you on the last thread? Dream baby thingy by somebody somebody?

    By the bye, have you got some powder handy for when the little one won't latch? Milk, not cocaine ....

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    This game will be one of those that stay fresh in your mind years later. Something we will tell our kids and even grand kids about years from now.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Can you imagine being the coach who told Devin Hester that all he would ever be was a kick returner? Do you thinks he's feeling like a complete dumbass right about now?

  • In reply to mikev:

    In a way he was right. Hester will make the hall of fame someday as a kick returner. He'll make the pro-bowl as a kick returner. He is an amazing, best ever kick returner.

    He's an average wide-out now, he was average corner before... nobody will remember Hester the reciever, even though he's definitely earned a roster spot in that position.

    People will remember Hester the returner. The coach's problem was that he made that sound like a small thing. Returners have a huge impact on field position and can potentially score more points in a game than the kickers.

    The only thing Hester will ever be exemplary at is returning kicks. But what's wrong with that?

  • In reply to mottystone:

    That was my point and I think Devin's point too when he mentioned it in the interview. He may be only a kick returner, but will go down as the best there ever was at that position.

  • In reply to mikev:

    Kinda like telling Joe Montana that he'll never really be any good at any position except maybe quarterback.

  • In reply to mikev:

    You'll never make it as tight end, Joe. You'll be passing that thing for the rest of your life ...

  • In reply to mottystone:

    He could have special at receiver if he was used as the 'bomb' guy. For some reason he was hardly ever told to 'go long Devin'.

  • I still get chills watching that Super Bowl return. For that one moment as a Bears fan you felt on top of the world.

  • In reply to brandonpurcell:

    Jubilation! There were 40 people in my living room jumping up and down.

  • In reply to Jokey:

    Just got chills watching it myself...and remember family and friends going apeshit in my parents living room.

  • In reply to Jokey:

    From the Score, "The happiest day of the Bears season is also the shortest day of the year."

    Apparently Jim Miller is saying Manu is overpaid and gets beat too often by speed rushers. Wasn't that a Blog topic in week 3?

    WTF was the no call on the hit to Cutler's chin, and the PI call on Wright? Is he supposed to vacate his spot so the receiver can make a play on the ball?

    Was anyone at the game? Was the Knox TD pass dying in the wind? I thought it was going to be picked. The safety blew chunks on that play and Cutler turned it into a TD a la Brady v. Wright last week.

    Still riding the high of the game. Let's beat the Jets, get a bye, and scratch the Packers from the postseason.

  • In reply to Jokey:

    Thus the nickname Manofmoolah. He got paid a wheelbarrell full of Benjis to be an unstoppable blocking force, and frankly, Davis is a better blocker.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I had three guys on my bench before the season that I wanted to see get what they deserve. Izzy, Shabba and Kellen Davis. I just think we'd have a scary scary passing game if the last two were always on the offense. I just don't see how anyone can cover KD.

  • In reply to Jokey:

    The holding call on Kruetz was also a hallucination.

  • In reply to Jokey:

    My fondest memory of yesterday's battle came after the battle. Whilst Millen, Young and the lass were clothed in animal hide out on the field of battle, our fair captain's only raiment was shoes, pants, a t-shirt and the cap denoting the Champions of the Norther Division. Verily.

  • In reply to brandonpurcell:

    Dear Santa,

    Thank you so much for the early Christmas gifts.

    Devin Hester's record setting punt return was just lovely but
    my favorite is the picture of "Narcissus, The Drama Queen", lying in a crumpled heap after his introduction to "Rootin' Tootin' " Corey Wootton. It was JUST what I wanted!

    I hope you and all the Elves and Reindeers and Mrs. Clause are well.

    Your Friend,

    Albert in Tucson

    PS: I will leave the milk and cookies in the usual place.
    Sorry, but Mrs. Claus sent a note saying "No OLD STYLE while he's driving that sleigh. Elmo & Patsy are STILL singing about that "Grandma" incident a few years back."

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    I was calling The Drama Queen Wangler a 'slug', but your crumpled heap reference is very fitting as well.

    Al, I think you saw my list for Santa. Once they announced he would start, all I wanted was a flattened Favre. Woot, Woot, Wootten!!!! He's my hero.

  • In reply to sjvl:

    I counted only one Favre montage! Much love for Wootten today - seldom have I been prouder to be an NU alum.

  • In reply to Jokey:

    I know! I was prepared, bucket nearby, for the barrage of images from his illustrious career, but no bucket needed!!!

    The talking heads will have a full slate of film for the next Vikings game, when it is announced his career was ENDED BY THE BEARS - but I will be watching another game so it won't matter.

  • In reply to sjvl:

    We can only hope. I bet he plays one more time.

  • In reply to Mastodon:

    I bet he plays next year for Carolina.

    2012 - Arizona

    2013 - Backup at Tampa

    2014 - Breaks down on Ellen and begs to be third string at Cleveland. Cleveland sign him for the minimum. Gets thrown out of the league when he sends a photo of his ass crack to the First Lady while coked and viked up. Deana forgives him again and has the devil exorcised out of him live on Ellen.

    2015 - Ellen and Deana are married in San Francisco.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    LOL.

  • In reply to Mastodon:

    btw, i keep forgetting to ask you guys... did any of you see that tiny bowl game with Eastern something or other.... the field was fucking fire engine red... i shit you not. it was the ugliest thing i've ever seen. much much worse than Boise st

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    found it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeNmrBybXUU

    how do you play on that????

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    That is truly atrocious. And distracting....

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I could take four seconds of it ... I got a flashback.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    really? No, really???: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5943941

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    ...aaaand, it's all about us this week (sorry lions, and congrats on snapping that streak btw): http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5943941

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Went to the game last night.. it was amazing to be there for hester's record breaker, favre's last game, outdoor in minnesota, and CLINCHING the division! But I must say it was also pretty awesome to get home tonight, log on to DBB, and relive the entire game by reading the game thread comments.. so thanks to all who comment on here on a regular basis! I've been a long time reader, but don't comment much, so thanks! BEAR DOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • In reply to bearsinwi:

    Welcome Bearcat. Are you a chick ... I mean a lady ?

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    I am!!! How'd you guess?

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Does anyone know what strategy Devin uses to position himself on the field, prior to the kick?

    Since everyone's kicking away from him, does he try to fake out the kicker/punter before the play starts?

    I have not seen anything about this, and he must be doing something - he still gets kicks.

    And thanks for the article.
    After being a die-hard fan for years, my edge has been reduced.

    Throughout the really lean years of the 60's and 70's, Chicago teams always managed to have a truely GREAT, GREAT players.
    Butkus, Sayers, Payton.

    Bobby Hull.
    Ernie Banks

    ok, you Sox fans add them.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Just sayin' - Lovie Smith mentioned how terribly difficult it is to make the playoffs and win a divisional championship in his post-game remarks.

    Is there anyone, any coach,that can hedge better than Lovie?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    It's like he saying "do not hold me responsible for any upcoming loss - ok?" - you know what I mean?

    I would hemorrhage from repressed laughter at one of those post-game conferences?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Who can say who is the greatest who's ever been if there is another greatest who's ever been - to be?

    Devin Hester is the greatest now and always.

  • In reply to Jokey:

    Thank you Brett's ego, thank you for giving the Bears one last shot to end your career properly! We finally have our "eternal highlight"! The replay that will forever be shown as "The end of an ego"...I mean era. It just didn't feel right with the Bills putting him to rest. GO BEARS! Division Champs! Fuck. Yes.

    http://www.break.com/nfl/video/favre-injury-1971629

  • In reply to MatthewIsMyForte:

    The tragedy is that the fumble was not returned for a TD by the Bears on that play.

  • In reply to MatthewIsMyForte:

    ...and for adding another LOSS to the Bears. Narcissus' record against them in the Lovie Smith era is positively STINK-O.

  • In reply to sjvl:

    I think that every starter on the Bears offense and defense should be listed as OUT for this week's game with the Jets and then Sunday morning we could up everyone to questionable pending walk throughs. Finally everyone starts. That would be fun!

    Congrats Skunk and Bears. You are exactly who we thought you were, NFC North Champs

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Fills my creepy quota for 2010:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuTHxMjVivg

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Perhaps because the video theorizes that grandpa set up gramma to get hit and make it look like an accident, so he could bang the admittedly more attractive Cousin Mel.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Wooton needs a nickname. Can't be on our defense, and be cool, without a nickname. All I've got is 'Button'. How cool would it be if your first NFL sack ended Favre's career. You enter the NFL, he exits.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Hard Core?

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    We can cal him Ronny woo woo

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    basically gp, i think we should pick ALL Oline until we think we have it totally covered, then a big WR (2nd/3rd round diamond in the rough) and another FS (much heigher in the draft), c harris aint going to be effective forever.

    We have the fucking fiji sangwich man! no need for a fb, we already have 2.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Yup.. OL, OL, OL, OL, OL. And while we know we need the next one of the George, Butkus, Singletary, Urlacher lineage, all long time fans know to expect a few year gap before we find the next Chicago Bears HOF MLB.

  • In reply to Mastodon:

    John Moffitt, LG, Wisconsin. 6'5", @325 lb mauler who also plays center. AP All American. He reminds me of a bigger Kruetz in his prime with an attitude. They need to find a way to get this guy on the team. I've watched him play for four years and he is awesome. He enjoys demoralizing defenders. One of my favorite college football players off all time.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    Get him into pilates and teach him to play linebacker.

  • In reply to Mastodon:

    That's the shit I'm talking about. We need Terry Tate.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Man, I wouldn't call CH effective now, not in the passing game. Fkn Jamar Williams man. I'll spit that one out on my death bed.

  • In reply to brandonpurcell:

    My wife died from leukemia on 31 January 2007. Just a few days later, I turned on the television about five minutes before kickoff (skipping the pregame stuff) thinking "I sure could use the Bears to win this thing".

    So he takes it home, and for a while all things Bears were possible. Thanks Devin, for that.

  • In reply to Mastodon:

    Sorry to hear that Dave, hope you are doing well now and keeping you wife's memory alive.

  • In reply to Mastodon:

    Hope things are going well now. The Bears offer a great distraction for the hardest things we face in life. Best of the season to you!

  • In reply to Mastodon:

    Wow. Sorry to hear that Dave.

    "The seed in your heart shall blossom ..."

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Wow. Thanks much, compadres. I mentioned it because that kickoff return has a special meaning for me beyond the football side. I'd like to think she had something to do with it.

    The cliche goes "time heals all wounds", and it really is true. But I always like to add the Groucho classic "time wounds all heels".

    Thanks again.

  • http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/sns-actor-falls-broadway,0,3473905.story

    That's because he is NOT Spider Man.

  • Espn just said that his KR numbers dont include the superbowl one and another one when he played the giants. so in all reality he has 16

  • Espn has a poll, of who is the better KR Hester or Desean Jackson. WTF!

  • In reply to Grizzly559:

    How could Jackson even be in the same category as Hester?

  • In reply to Grizzly559:

    Because he plays in Philadelphia. The Eastern biased media MUST have it's hero.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Now you are all learning why I despise Philly so much....

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Have to don my "historian hat" Boys and girls.

    In the euphoria of 1) Winning the North 2) Devin Hester's record-breaking punt return and 3) Narcissus getting the send-off he so richly deserved, we may have overlooked ANOTHER Bears' milestone achieved last night.

    Feel free to check my research, but I believe Jay Cutler became the first quarterback in Chicago Bear history with 20 or more TD passes in consecutive seasons.

    The only other QB I could find who even came close was Bill Wade with 20 in 1960 and 18 in 1961.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    I think the hat is glued to your head, Al.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Well, there certainly isn't much hair up there to get in the way of any adhesive.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Good stat, though.

    I esp. liked Chucky's verbal BJ of Cutler in the 2nd half.

    "the long march to find a great Bears QB is over! The messiah has arrived!"

    I thought I had turned Life of Brian on.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    "He's *not* the messiah, he's a very naughty boy ..."

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    LOL! Nice stat Al. And GP nice posts you've been on fire lately. I didn't get the relevance of the Stones song but it all doesn't have to mean something.

  • In reply to Jokey:

    Re the Stones. We hear so much about the dangers and evil of drugs ... but still walks the Earth.
    "Daddy, how is Keith Richards alive? Doesn't he inject heroin into his eyeballs?"
    "Ask me where babies come from ..."

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Well, My wife is a big Football fan. She grew up in Northern NY and has always been a big Giants fan, She lived in Indie for a bit and is also a Peyton Manning fan as well. Back when we started dating she also became a Bears fan, probably because of me, but it still counted in my book. So we planned a trip to Lucas Oil Stadium, the Season opener and the very first game to be played in that new Stadium. Sept. 7th 2008. It was going to be her first Bears game and of course Peyton would be there as well. A win-win for her I thought.

    So a month before I say, "So I guess you'll be wearing your Peyton Manning Jersey?". She says. "Nope, I want a Bears Jersey, Since I know you'll be wearing your Dikta Jersey and your cousin will have his Payton Jersey." I was shocked. I started to tell her about all the famous Bears she could get but she just put her hand up and stopped me cold.

    She says, "I grew up a Giants fan, so this is not easy for me BUT If I'm going to buy a Bears Jersey, the only one I want is Devin Hester because he's awesome." She wore that jersey proudly as the Bears Stopped Indie into the ground that night in their new stadium. She was wearing it last night as well as we watched Devin make NFL history. I was jumping all over the room as she cheered along. What an awesome player. My wife is so right.

    NFC North Champs!!!

    BEAR DOWN!!!!

  • In reply to Reichwolff:

    Nice story.

  • In reply to Reichwolff:

    Love it!!

  • In reply to Reichwolff:

    Dear Santa...

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedia/photo_gallery/1012/nfl-cheerleaders-week-15/content.21.html

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Oh my.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    orthodontics might help

  • In reply to Reichwolff:

    She sounds like a Keeper.

  • In reply to Grizzly559:

    I'm so glad that this is today's topic on the blog. I was going to suggest that fans rate his returns from 1 - 16 but then I watched this video. A compilation of all his returns from 2006 and 2007:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iHzdUVpUh0

    How can you categorize these, or put them in any order? That video is just 10 minutes of pure unadulterated joy for a Bears fan.
    The way he broke half the Arizona Cardinals ankles, or the hurdle over a would be Chiefs' tackler, the backward lean and kick as he escapes a Minnesota Vikings' grasp; I could keep this list going to include one (or many) little detail to illustrate Hester's greatness. And make no mistake that is what makes Hester better than anyone in history or current. It's not just the speed, the vision, the elusiveness or strength. It's all of them combined that make him the best ever. Truly, truly special to watch and able to transcend any team affiliation or fanhood one might claim. But being a Bears fan just makes it all that more special.

    And another thing, the humility and emotion he showed in the press conference shows that you don't have to be a total ass-hat (ahem DeSean Jackson) to be that great.

  • In reply to buckbear:

    Or in that same return against the Chiefs when he accelerates after hurdling the guy. Surreal.

  • In reply to buckbear:

    Watching it all again, the field goal return vs NY that does not count is my favorite (other than the SB one). The playing possum, and the two *crushing* blocks by Hillenmeyer.

    Though you gotta love the run into the tunnel against Denver.

  • In reply to Mastodon:

    Those hits were fucking awesome. It was Bennett-esque. Other notable recent hits:

    - Chris Harris' hit on Roy Williams
    - Who hit the Vikes running back in the hole was that Wright, or Harris?
    - Add more...

  • In reply to buckbear:

    Man, he looks like the road runner in some of those clips. I love the Broncos guy when he ran back the KO after having already returned a punt. "I don't get it .... I don't get it ...."

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    I didn't count, but I think at least 6 of those returns the announcer says "Unbelievable!" Really? You still find it unbelievable? Not me I almost expect it. Not that it diminishes the excitement, but I guess I find it unbelievable that people still kick to him.

  • In reply to Grizzly559:

    Miserable fat bag of fart wind Peter "the petard" King wrote that in his mmqb column fucking yesterday. He referred to Jackson as the leagues best punt returner and even said, sorry devin hester Jackson has surpased you. Then he went on to predict a Viking win last night...Someone from this blog is going to physically attack that piece of monkey shit if he's ever seen.

  • In reply to MASOCHR:

    He is an Idiot. Hester makes every play look like he is gonna take it back. Desean Jackson is a scared lil bitch! When he played us, Jackson just layed down when he caught the ball. I hate both those fuckers!

  • In reply to MASOCHR:

    In the immortal words of Dan Ackrioyd:

    "Peter, you ignorant slut."

  • In reply to MASOCHR:

    It's nice to see a good guy like Hester get the record. That was a great press conference last night. For those who didn't see it, here's a version of it, but not the best quality.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Z-nZqDhI8I&feature=player_embedded

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    very humble guy, He showed a lot of character last night!

  • In reply to Grizzly559:

    Kind of. He did call himself the greatest ever whatever in that presser, which although true, isn't very humble. It was false humility, just sayin', not hatin' ...

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    You can get it on Da Site too, and their viedo quality is always top-notch.

  • In reply to MASOCHR:
  • In reply to Grizzly559:

    Excerpts from the New York Times

  • In reply to Grizzly559:

    I will stand up and say, out loud, that I advocated trading Devin Hester this summer in a deal to land a Tier 1 WR. At the time the candidates were Brandon Marshall, who I argued and correctly so, wouldn't be a good fit in Chicago. VJack was a possibility.

    At the time, many of the people who get paid to write about the NFL but suck at it and are always nearly wrong, said that Hester was a failed player. His stint at WR had ruined him totally, and he would NEVER return to dominance as a kick returner.

    Many of those people should get the roshambo.

    I think if Taub was being honest, he would tell you that starting with losing Brendon Ayanbadejo, the ST unit over the last few years hasn't been great. This year, the unit is pretty damn good. Hungry like the Smurf, Scrappy Doo, Iwuh, Anti-Plank Weapon, Davis and others have started to block well for Hester again, and Hester has stopped thinking about it and hits full gear and stops dancing. Because he has faith he's not gonna get reamed.

    So I shall take my licks for that. I would rather have Hester than Vjack. Although when Shabba caught that TD pass and it was called back, my mind did wander off to wondering what Cutler could do with a real big man wideout like Owens in his prime or Larry Fitz. We'd be unstoppable.

    I think I thought that after Knox dropped his third ball. And yes, I know it was cold and icy, but Knox's hands do not impress me.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    GP..your not alone brother, I'm right next to you on the Hekyll/Jekyll experiment....and was willing to let him go..I am glad our coaching staff finally placed him back to the greatness he has become...

    and will not fire up the clown car and place it into storage...though I may take it out and drive it in Feb 2011 on the Magnificent Mile when we have a ticker tape parade for the SB Champions..Chicago Bears

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    Keep her lit Lobo, there's always room in that car for Angelo. And if you do take it out, make sure you drive it over his head, and then reverse it back again. If we have to drive through his living room wall, dump him in the back and douse it with petrol, so be it. Cut out the cancer.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I'll stand up fair square and broad shouldered beside you GP. It looked like Lovie was nailing the coffin shut on his returning days. He was, and still is, of very little benefit to our passing game. Three TDs and four hundred yards receiving does not a number one receiver make. Give me a Beast or a V-Jack any day of the week. We essentially wasted Hester for two years in the WR experiment. Had he been returning full time, how many KR/PR TDs would he have? How much more lethal would our pass attack have been with Shabba/Knox/Bennett as our receivers?

    I've never been a vocal supporter of Knox's - he doesn't tick enough boxes. Speed schmeed. I'd still take a 37 year old T.O next year, or reunite BM with Cutler. I know he hasn't been exemplary this year, but if the dude was happy ... we know what Cutler can do with that which he is missing. Jump ball guy.

  • In reply to Grizzly559:

    I should also like to argue with our esteemed Blogfather about the greatest ever argument. I believe Brady is Montana's equal, as Peyton is as good as anyone to have played. The argument would have been bolstered had the Pats beat the Giants in the SB, or had the Colts won last year against the Saints, esp. since Manning threw an awful pick to seal the Saint win.

    But they are as good, and I may even argue if Brady wins this year's SB, that he may be the best ever to play. I watched all the great Niner teams, watched Joe to Dwight Clark and Rice and Roger Craig etc etc live as it happened, being the Sunday FB junkie I am, and Brady has as much confidence and leadership and ability as anyone I've ever seen play.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I see what you're saying here, but isn't the argument that Hester is in a singular category like Jordan was in his time. Hester is the ONLY player in his category that can be called the greatest and pretty much shut up any argument to the contrary. Equally powerful arguments could be made for Manning and Brady. But DeSean Jackson vs. Hester...lets talk three years when Hester has twice as many returns for TDs as Jackson.

  • In reply to buckbear:

    Take a look at Doc Nitty's stats below.

    I don't think you can make that argument for Hester. I think we're all in need of watching Brian Westbrook highlights on Youtube and you may wish to pull up some Eric Metcalf while you are at it.

    There is no damn way, no how, that the Bears #23 can get equated to the Bulls #23. Jordan was simply the best basketball player to ever live, and it wasn't close. Hester has historical contemporaries whose stats he hasn't beaten yet. At this stage, I would say that if Steve Tasker hasn't made the PF HOF yet, then I'm not sure how you argue Hester gets in.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Bad argument. How many teams game planned for Steven Tasker? how many games did he win? Sure, he limited some field position but he did not impact games the way Hester does. Opposing coaches loose sleep game planning for Hester's ability. The only one who ever lost any sleep from Tasker is Taskers wife.

  • In reply to MASOCHR:

    DaCoach - my point exactly. Who has ever once heard of teams actually being willing to kick a kickoff out of bounds to avoid kicking to a returner? By the end of 2007 and into 2008 that is exactly what happened. And it wasn't until his lull of production that people once again became stupid enough to test him. No doubt that Toub's units make a great impact (kind of the equivalent of the Scottie Pippen to Michael Jordan argument), but that neither disproves nor diminishes Hester's greatness. And from the mouth of Brian Mitchell himself he gave Devin Hester props as the best ever. Hester eclipsed his TD mark in a third of the time and we all know that the Super Bowl and missed field goal return don't count. If they did he would have passed his number in one fifth the time.

    As to the yardage figures; they are a huge red herring. There is an absolute limit as to how far a returner can go - the goal line. A returner can only go to that point and the yardage stops accruing. So the TD figure is more weighty in the discussion than gross yardage. Tds per return and avg. return yardage have a more equal weight though.

  • In reply to buckbear:

    I'll bet a dime to a penny Gale Sayers won't ever say that ...

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    I'll give you the same bet that no one takes yours, Irish.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Great win last night. How bad were some of those calls last night? The phantom calls on Kruetz and Wright were beyond bad. I had no problem with the early "in the grasp" call. They were trying to save Favre from himself. Not to mention the league REALLY didn't want to have any bad PR from playing in that facility. I understand how people made the decision to play there and don't agree. Oh well.

    I have to say I was surprised that Favre hijacked the proceedings last night from a media standpoint. Once I found out he was going to play, it all made perfect sense. One last shot on the big stage (MNF), hoping for a dramatic ending. It ended dramatically but not exactly as he planned. Part of me wanted to puke knowing the night was going to be all about him. Once Wooten put him out and we smoked them, I didn't care.

    Kudos to the team. Esp to C. Harris last night. I think that hit on Gerhart was kind of the end of the night for them. I loved the fact the BiQueens folded up the tent and quit early. NICE!

    I gotta admit I liked seeing all the old players. Esp, when Matt Blair and somebody else hoisted Bud Grant up on their shoulders. Very Cool.

    We can be a major player in the post season if we don't shit the bed. Lovin' that!

    Devin is the best. I watched all of Gale Sayers returns and if he stayed healthy, he might hold all the records. He really was that good. However, he didn't stay healthy and Devin gets to wear the crown. Love that guy and his humility. I know his teammates appreciate it. Hats off to Dave Toub, and I hate to say this but, JA. When Toub has good players for ST's, they're Fucking Special. When he doesn't have the players they are just good. Congrats all around with the biggest shout out to Devin.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    I was berating Harris on the Harvin TD for poor mechanics, but he really stepped up after that.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    He's a tweener. Should have been a small linebacker.

  • In reply to buckbear:

    You could argue that as a receiver/returner, Jackson is better. He scores more TDs than Hester. That's all that counts in my book. Show me the points.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Forte's pounding was impressive!

    Defense big hits was also very impressing!

  • In reply to Grizzly559:

    Forte's been running good lately, and he's fresh this year.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    One more note: Atlanta loses one or the next two games and we win out, We get #1 seed in the NFC.

  • In reply to Grizzly559:

    They have to lose both, since they have only two losses right now. First tiebreaker is, of course, overall record.

  • In reply to Mastodon:

    very true, I thought they had 3.

  • In reply to Grizzly559:

    They have easier games.

  • In reply to Mastodon:

    Side notes:

    Steve Smith could be up for trade next season, Could this be a #1?

    Julius Peppers in tied for all time DL Interceptions. He is tied with Richard Dent.

  • In reply to Grizzly559:

    Sorry, I don't think he's work a #1. Smith's been very brittle lately.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Not a number 1 Draft pick, I mean could he be our #1 for Cutler.

  • In reply to Grizzly559:

    depends on what they want. MAYBE a 3rd or 4th, but OL is a bigger concern....GOTTA take care of that 1 first (and it better be 1st and 2nd round UNLESS there is a gamebreaker at the CB or WR position that can be snagged).

    maybe a 4th tho...would def. part w/ a 4th for Steve Smith.

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    Man, a 37 yr old T.O. is all Cutler needs. Can he run 20 yards in a straight line and then jump up in the air 6 times a game ? Yes? Sweet. Hell, we could get Kellen Davis to do that.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    now I'd take Stevie Smith from 2005, you guys remember him.

  • In reply to MASOCHR:

    I bet Peanut remembers him.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    I remember him - because of Peanut. That game is burned on my brain.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Man what a win.

    You guys have said all that

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Well said, Daddio. The C. Harris - Gerhart collision was manly.

  • In reply to PhantomOne:

    and you know, Mr. Brown was watching with pride...

  • In reply to PhantomOne:

    indeed viva, indeed

  • In reply to PhantomOne:

    Nothing like looking at the standings and seeing an x, y, or z in front of your team. Get some!

  • In reply to PhantomOne:

    I have not looked at NFL standings this season. Not once. I don't think there's any kind kind of prize for that though. The standings after week 17, now they're important.

  • In reply to PhantomOne:

    btw, as far as a #1 to pick up, I have two thoughts:

    1. All Oline first please.... new everything.

    2. Anquan. Boldin

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I'd like to meet the salesman who could talk Fitz into playing in Chicago. He could sell an Eskimo a freezer.

    Our FA/Draft should be:

    O-Line, O-Line, Bruiser back, wideout, o-line
    and get a decent vet QB via FA. And a FB, there is usually decent pickings via FA for FBs.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Tofu and Unga could be something, so would we need to waste a draft pick? I'd go OL, OL, WR, OL. 2012 draft we need to draft a Mike as high as we can trade for.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Yup. My two baby girls were screaming the house down, even after feeding. I said to the ladies "They want to watch Jingle Bells (how Thais pronounce Chicago Bears), let them watch Jingle Bells (I was watching the repeat, very calmly this time). What do you know? Sit down those little cuties beside me, the screaming stops ... and there's perfect silence. Mesmerized by the TV.

    Thank you Bears.

  • In reply to MASOCHR:

    I refuse to talk about that.

  • In reply to Grizzly559:

    Almost out of bears wrapping paper and I have two more Bears gifts to give away. Damn!!

  • In reply to Grizzly559:

    The Giants guy or the aging dwarf ?

  • In reply to Grizzly559:

    Not positive Fres but I'm pretty sure the Foulcans have to lose out and we win out to get the #1 seed.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    We need the Saints to go 1-1 as well (beat the falcons and lose to the Bucs). They own a tiebreaker over us as well.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    I'm ready for the J E T S, Jets Jets Jets!! The game I was supposed to go to, but now am not...

    I want to see Rex Ryan shut up for a change.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I'll keep out of the Brady-Montana thing, I saw more of Joe than I did of Brady. Brady's great. Joe's great. Otto's great. Fuck it, Jimmy Mac was great - there, I said it. What did he ever do wrong?

    But Peyton Manning, I have feelings of ickiness towards. He's played in the same offense for millions of earth years, had good o-lines, receivers, one co-ordinator, yada yada yada. Stick Mike Tomczak in the same situation and you'd probably comeout with the same results. One crappy superbowl win, and he was crappy in that superbowl - I don't understand the MVP thing. It can be argued there is no bigger post-season choker in NFL history than Peyton Manning. Otto Graham had a championship every year he was in the league. That's a winner, that's impressive. Peyton Manning's got what, 11 or 12 chicks into bed but only rung the bell once? He's the king of premature ejaculators. Plus he's not at all mobile and won't get down and dirty, won't do what it takes to get that last yard. Look how ordinary he's looked recently when his roster got shaken up. And his brother is Eli Manning, Jesus, would that guy ever have gotten laid if he wasn't an NFL QB ?

  • In reply to Grizzly559:

    He's not.

  • In reply to Grizzly559:

    Here's Peter King sizing up the 2008 draft.
    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/peter_king/04/27/mmqb.draft/

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    is he wrong ALL the time? smh

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    He berates Angelo for passing up Chad Henne and taking Matt Forte instead.

    He says that the probability of EITHER Grossman OR Orton being a legit long term starting NFL QB is 20-25 percent. By that math, the Cutler deal was an all time steal (I think it will go down as such anyhow).

    Reading old King articles is like reading the anti-NostraDamus. Everything he thinks turns out to have not happened or panned out.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    If Midas had the "golden touch" I don't even want to THINK about what kind of touch Petey has.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Sounds like a profit opportunity, GP.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    I'd rather piss a razor blade than read that tripe.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    It's amazing how often his articles are posted on here. I wouldn't who he was unless I read this blog.

  • In reply to Grizzly559:

    Relax, NFL Network just ran their TOP TEN RETURNERS show last week and DH was already at the top of that list.

  • In reply to Grizzly559:

    The motto of the 1st Marine Division is, "No better friend, no worse enemy." Devin Hester fits that motto to a T. CONGRATS SKUNK!!

  • In reply to Grizzly559:

    And some of you guys wanted to trade Hester. You know who you are...

    Can you guys name a player in the league that is more exciting with the ball in his hands than Hester? Adrian Peterson, maybe Vick?

  • In reply to Joseph:

    very true. But I think most of the trade talk was in fact when Lovie was fixed on him being only a WR.

  • In reply to Grizzly559:

    ... and that. Well said Fres. He was dead roster weight for two years - not his fault, Lovie's. He should have been racking up an unbeatable, unassailable return TD record, and we should gotten a guy who's actually played WR his whole life as our #1. It's like they wasted two of his prime years.

  • In reply to Joseph:

    Nice to see Cutler take a Chin shot like Farve did and still stay into to play the game. Cutler didnt have to get carted of like a bitch being hugged by his trainer. Cutler decides just to throw some spit and tape over it.

  • In reply to Joseph:

    Another thing: I was very interested on what Trent Dilfer and Steve Young had to say about Cutler mechanics.

  • In reply to Grizzly559:

    I will never be impressed by anything about Trent (schlongmelon) Dilfer.

  • In reply to Grizzly559:

    I hate to use such a glorious moment to launch another criticism at the Bears' coaching staff/front office--but how STUPID does Lovie's and Angelo's decision look to remove Hester from return duties most of last year (and the year prior? I forget)

  • In reply to jj320:

    Hester wanted to be a WR and probably wouldn't re-sign without that chance. Why wouldn't you try to get the ball to him more often? The biggest failure was trying to make him a #1 WR. He's a good #3 WR and a great returner. Just be happy he's playing for the Bears.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    +x on everything you wrote, Canada. Most especially the last part.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    I will have a longer assessment of the game tomorrow, but in the meantime:
    1) 7 hours in line before kick-off paid off with 45 yard line, first row, upper deck seats. AWESOME. Better than being down behind the benches because it was a completely unobstructed view of the entire field and no one could stand up in front of me. I was a little worried about falling over the side because it snowed about four inches and sleeted on us before and during the game. To beat a dead horse, my original seats in the Dome were obstructed view (the columns that hold...er, held up the roof), nosebleeds and about 35 rows back on the second deck. So, to Brett Favre, who sliced the roof panels open with box cutters because he loves the drama, I say thank you, old fart.
    2) NFC champs, Hester breaks the record, Wootton breaks Favre, and Minnesota plays an outdoor game in freezing snow and ice for the first time in nearly thirty decades...and TCF Stadium is a beautiful facility. I hate the Gophers but damn that is a nice joint. Still smells like a new car, which is more than I can say for the wool sweater I was wearing in that sleet (peeeyew).
    3) Harris made up for an otherwise completely sub-par game with the stuff of Gerhardt. The whole stadium went "oh, damn." when that hit stuck.
    4) The Vikings fans are, by and large, completely over the BF saga and want him to go home and take his c*ck shots with him.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Nice Post.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Thirty decades is a long time. Pre-Seven Years' War even...

  • In reply to jj320:

    I don't blame them for trying to make him a WR. He would have left Chicago if he didn't get the dollars. Where Lovie frakked up was persisting with the experiment once it went POOF!

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    I'll grant you that one, Irish. Devin playing out of the slot earlier with Bennett starting as WR would have been good.

  • In reply to Joseph:

    For a first rounder? In a New York minute, Joseph. Before the game he had 338 yards receiving and two TDs. In thirteen games, that ain't doing it - not if you're getting paid like a #1. But this is about his achievement as a return man. Can't take that away from him.

  • In reply to Grizzly559:

    this is what Mister Hester has to say to that:

    http://beargoggleson.com/files/2009/11/hesters-ass.jpg

  • In reply to evantonio:

    +10

  • In reply to evantonio:

    Honestly, I wasn't looking. Butt, what is with the pink Band-Aid?

  • In reply to Church:

    i think it's the orange piping on his right pants leg.

  • In reply to Grizzly559:

    Oh, and without a ring or anything that can be considered a clutch performance on his shoulders of any type, I rank LeBron right around Dominique Wilkins level.

  • It's just so great to be a real Bears fan today, isn't it?

  • Hester's stats so far:

    Kick returns
    Total: 112
    Yards: 2,684
    Avg: 24.0
    Long: 97T

    Punts
    Total: 175
    Yards: 2,127
    Avg: 12.2
    Long: 89T

    Total return yards are 4,811

    Hester is unlikely to ever get close to many of those. To catch Sayers with career average, for example, Devin would need to average roughly 37.2 yards for the next 112 returns of his career, and then of course average 30.5+ for the rest of his career.

    Hopefully, the Bears will never be a bad enough team to let him have a realistic chance at any single season kickoff return records. The single game stuff is possible; even great teams have bad games now and then.

    Punts are another matter, of course. Hopefully, he'll get plenty of punt return opportunities, although they may just kick away from him all the time again.

    And speaking of *ridiculous*, how on Earth did Wally Tripplett AVERAGE 73.5 yards in a game with three returns?!
    That is perhaps the craziest record of all those up there...

  • In reply to Mastodon:

    Thanks for the stats Doc and SC.

    He is astonishing to watch...

  • In reply to Mastodon:

    Regarding Wally Tripplet Dave, I'm going to speculate that he returned for a total of 220.5 yards in that game. I am so funny I am killing me.

  • all i know is that when Hester lines up back there i get a Return Boner

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    aka To Da House chub

  • You theories intrigue me, I'd like to subscribe to your newsletter

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    r

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Cool story.

    Was in court this afternoon finishing up after a trial and the judge says to the court-room Sheriff (subbing for the normal guy) "how about that Bears game?" I couldn't resist chiming in a bit, but you could tell there was some reason that the judge brought it up with this guy.

    Turns out he played for the Cardinals in 2001-2003, offensive line. The way he tells it, he worked from practice squad to back-up and was going to get a shot to start in his third year when he suffered a nasty injury and... seven years later he's a county Sheriff.

    So I asked him "Do you think Chris Williams is a total bust?" He sort of shrugged and said "yeah." Then I asked about J-Webb and he said "no, he's got potential, just needs to be coached for a couple of years and he'll be really good." Also mentioned that you can't argue with Webb's size. Said the same thing about Daniel Manning - called him "football dumb, but not in a bad way" and said he thinks he just needs to understand the game better to be a top player.

    I have to say I agree with all three assessments. I really want Chris Williams to have a place on the team. But it just doesn't look like its gonna happen for him here. Webb and Manning have contributed a ton this year and I hope they both continue to get better so this team can get better.

    As for the next Williams... We can't afford another late first round bust at left tackle. If the team wants to sell out to trade up, I'll understand the move, but otherwise, we're going to be weak there for at least another year.

  • In reply to mottystone:

    Very cool NB.

    Yeah, I saw Williams on a run WHIFF on both guys right in front of him, and I think EJ Henderson knifed in and made the tackle like Williams wasn't even there. I just shook my head.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I am going to assume that our draft needs will be filled in a more efficient manner of the offensive side of the ball with Martz and Tice having some say over the decisions. Tice was brought in to develop the talent we have, and from what I've seen, he has done a pretty remarkable job. I just hope he is as good at identifying talent that fits Martz' scheme. Not a small distinction. His track record in Minny was pretty good, so there is hope.

  • In reply to PhantomOne:

    Great point Viva. I just hope things are actually set up that way

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I see the bait on the hook, I'm swimming around the hook, I'm looking, I'm smelling, my mouth is watering. No. Not gonna bite.

    You are going to have to wait for my Ode To Jerry's Kids

  • In reply to PhantomOne:

    Damn, and I used powerbait too... cheddar cheese flavor.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Damn. That was tempting. You hung a curve. Just so you know, I roped that over a wall (mentally).

  • In reply to PhantomOne:

    Ah. 'Colditz' - the board game. The Rope card was so coveted.

    (board) Jebus Irish, we can't even write a word like 'rope' without some dumb obscure reference being made. have you NO work to do ?

    (irish) No. And f**k off.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    And FQD - shit just got real.
    I promise not to rub it in when I win the DBB league.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Bring on the next victim...

    Sanchez, calling Mark Sanchez, you're the next contestant on "Your about to be pounded into the fucking ground".

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    waffle?

  • In reply to Grizzly559:

    Our one and only.

    ...and stop fucking with your name...as funny as they have been.

  • In reply to Grizzly559:

    Sorry I haven't posted much lately guys. The newspaper industry is brutal this time of year. I've been reading though, and ya'll are keeping me entertained, thanks.
    Quick question: Can the Jan 2 game at Green Bay still be flexed? Or is that a for-sure 1pm eastern game?

  • In reply to Church:

    I think that kick-off time's an immovable rock, Ender. And keep up the good work, we need our paperboys so we don't ever have to leave our houses. Tee hee!

  • In reply to Church:

    With respect to Corey Wooten's nickname:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrE0htiKU9k&feature=related

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    You would think that for the sake of a Billion-dollar organisation, at some point, somewhere in the great nation of America, there would be somebody who could recognise talent ... and then ... I don't know ... maybe pay them some money to draft for the Bears ? Is that naieve?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Not sure how much he has to do with it, but JA and the Bears *do* get guys signed to contracts without much distraction.

    Sometimes guys get too much (ala Butter) but having guys in camp is good.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Pick any Bears game. Any. Williams, Omelette, World Wide. The Whiff sisters. Fuck me.

  • In reply to mottystone:

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  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    that was a good one al. very nice.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Woot! Woot!

  • In reply to Mastodon:

    :o)

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    I think that could take off. Every time Wooten comes out on the field, everybody goes "Woot! Woot!"

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    We are a better football team than the New York Jets.

  • In reply to PhantomOne:

    I guaranteed that we would kick the shit out of the Jets many sleeps ago. Sanchize. Head-body separation. Guaranteed.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Albert, I bet not many of us on here remember those Burma Shave bill boards. Thank god there weren't haiku bill boards. LMAO

  • In reply to mottystone:

    I think it is too soon to pull the plug on Williams.

    I think our coaching staff stunted D. Mannings development for at least the first three years in the league. Bouncing from one position to the other (nickel, corner, safety) did not serve him well. But he is having a great year. I don't think anyone expected our safety's to have played as well as they have this year...

  • In reply to mottystone:

    The Webb thing would be obvious, he's OL, so he needs to learn the ropes, just not on my time. That's what the bench is for. I don't know how you teach speed though ... he's just not got feet quick as a hiccup, as Sandra Bullock says.

  • In reply to mottystone:

    He wasn't even a late choice. He was the 14th pick and was considered the pick to take by all the analysts that year. In fact there was talk if he would drop to the Bears. He showed promise that first year playing left at the end of the season. Not sure what happened. i can't blame Angelo for taking the guy every other team would have taken at that spot in that draft. Sometimes ya just end up with a lemon.

  • You missed Most returned missed Field Goals, Doc. Tchoh!

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