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Cutler Chasing Kramer's All-Time Bears Season

Jim McMahon won a Super Bowl and Sid Luckman captivated the city of Chicago and has lingered over the quarterback position for sixty years.  But as we often discuss, Erik Kramer's 1995 season is the finest ever played by a Bears quarterback.  

His stats that year:
315-522, 60.3%, 29 TD - 10 INT, 3838 yards, 93.5 QB rating (9-7 record)
Cutler's current stats:
180-292, 61.6%, 16 TD - 10 INT, 2311 yards, 90.4 QB rating (8-3 record)
I don't believe in projections but here's how they project:
262-425, 61.6%, 23 TD - 15 INT, 3361 yards, 90.4 QB rating (11-5)

Yet over Cutler's last four games, his passer rating has risen to 99.  He has thrown 9 TD to 3 INT.  But at the same time, he's actually had four of his five lightest games this season in terms of yardage - attributable to the field position dominance and found run game.
Kramer's Bears finished in third place in the NFC North.  Cutler's Bears are on pace to win the division.  If the season ends as projected, who gets the nod?  
Editor's Note: The JMCyclone has 5 wins on the season, leaving him firmly in second position.

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  • 1st. Cutler. Wins & Losses matter the most.

  • 1st. Cutler. W-L matters more.

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    if this, then mcmahon.

  • In reply to brocklanders:

    +1

  • In reply to brocklanders:

    Ryan Wetnight. Castro Street's favorite Bear name.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    eeewwww (not that there's anything wrong with that).

    Story time:

    Was rocking it out in SF for new years with some buddies who lived on Union St. one year many moons ago. We go sooooo hiiiiiigh and walked around the Haight for a while, then jumped in the car to get some food. On our way to the Mission we went through the Castro for some surreal people viewing. We pull over to have a shot of espresso at a little caf

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Morphius'd

  • In reply to Crowned:

    Hahahaha... exactly.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Great story.

    Fishburne forged documents when he was 16 and gave them to Francis-Ford Coppola saying he was 18, so he could be in Apocalypse Now.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Guy's brilliant.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Best vietnam movie ever.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Great shit MB.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/peter_king/12/02/nfl-week-13-picks/index.html?eref=sihp

    Kudos! Peter King, for being the SECOND biggest douchebag at SI, behind Don Banks.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    At least he picked us. I would have emailed ESPN if he had picked against us and asked for information about why he hates Chicago so much, that would have been indefensible.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    yeah, not picking us would just be silly. Guy's a dils GP. If I ever see him in the real world, I'm going to tell him how terrible he is. I won't be a dick, just be honest. Guy sucks... but I would love his job.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Why does that crazy shit always happen when you're torched. If you're just drinking, there's lots of funny stuff all the time. But if you're altered chemically or too much wacky tobaccky, something really bizarre happens where you go, huh ...

    Love the Fishburn story. Too Funny.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    From the tee hee column:

    Texans are practicing Cover-2 schemes this week, to mimic what the Bears did to the Eagles.

    I believe that is spelled I_R_O_N_Y.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    r.o.f.l.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    i wouldn't call it irony, but it's amusing.

  • In reply to brocklanders:

    English teacher?

  • In reply to brocklanders:

    I believe your friend Google can find you a whole cache of articles from about this time last year, which all sort of say "Why do the Bears still run Cover-2 when everybody else has moved on?"

    Had you been here this summer, you would have seen the "Why don't we do the 3-4 like the Steelers?" debate.

    Clearly, Maranelli was probably right when he said the scheme is fine when you have dominant players. The whole scheme is predicated on only rushing 4, which is why Peppers was so crucial and why Mark Anderson got the boot when he couldn't shed a block earlier this season.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    It worked for the Steel Curtain defense, it worked for Dungy in Tampa and it still works when you do it right.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    AGREED

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    credits for "Apocalypse Now": Larry Fishburn

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Is this like a Fear Boner? I think this needs a name as well:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxvWriAQGfc&feature=related

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Why would a man start to freak out that bad..

  • In reply to gpldan:

    385-624, 61.8, 29TD-9INT, 4902 yards, 96.0 QB Rating

    are more numbers he is chasing

  • In reply to dutsami:

    those are nfl.com's projected numbers for Kyle f'n Orton.
    Who lost Brandon Marshall and is throwing to Brandon f'n Lloyd... who used to sit on the bench next to Mark Bradley so we could get Hester his snaps at WR. Something is just wrong with us in terms of getting anything out of our offensive players or knowing how to use them.

  • In reply to dutsami:

    Brandon Lloyd runs hot and cold. The knock on him with the Bears was he wasn't tough enough. Coaches felt he should be able to play through some of the injuries. Oh well. He's been through a few teams.

    Orton's play this year is really good. I've watched some highlights this year and the deep ball is really accurate. He NEVER had that with the Bears. When he played for us he couldn't hit the ocean sitting in a boat.

    No doubt Denver has gotten the better of that trade so far. However, if Cutler achieves his potential, he's a better QB because he can move around. Kyle always looks like he's got a piano on his back.

  • In reply to dutsami:

    Here's a nice clip from Howie Long;

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/behindthemic/#20101129_btm_howie_bears

  • In reply to dutsami:

    and are not going to be in the playoffs, so who cares? we all know Cutty's capable of that b/c he did it in Denver (4,500+ yds, 25+ TDs), but i'd rather him manage the game than to try to get stats and win by himself. he's playing in a team atmosphere...who cares a/b a 3-8 team w/ an offensive juggernaut?

    ask KO who he'd rather be with right now....

  • In reply to dutsami:

    I can't over the Lloyd thing. Orton to Lloyd was a Bears thing. Lloyd was coming on as a Bear, he had a couple really nice catches for TDs as a Bear then he hurt himself again and was released.

    But you didn't see the genesis of a power duo there, I saw finally Orton was emerging and had a possession wideout with hands, I saw him as a poor man's Cris Carter.

    I know we are high on Tice and Martz and Maranelli now, but the Bears have such a long history of bad coaching, it's tough to really bandwagon on the coaching staff thing.

    Happy to see Lovie and Maranelli finally stick the Butter back on the shelf where it belongs, but there is just so much stupidity there, it's hard to overlook.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Love the "butter back on the shelf" comment.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    +somanyIcan'tevencountthem

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I heard B Lloyd was more interested in his rap career. Really.

  • In reply to dutsami:

    I still don't like Hester at receiver. Yeah he's got legs, but no moves, awkward hands (still) and he's just not smart as a receiver yet. Maybe someday... but for now, leave him where he belongs...at the 20 yd line.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Would we really consider the Panthers game a W for Cutler?

  • In reply to JohnGalt:

    he'd probably would have close to 3K yds if he played in that game; their D is atrocious

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    Understood... and I say well over 300k yards unless we started burning clock.

    His yards, TDs, and completion percentage would all be improved had he played this game... BUT - he didn't.

    Therefore, he gets no W.

  • In reply to JohnGalt:

    Whoa. I followed your "k" suffix on the yards without thinking.

    That would be well over 300 yards.. not 300,000.

    In case you guys were wondering.

  • In reply to JohnGalt:

    English teacher?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Analyst. Emphasis on the Anal.

  • In reply to JohnGalt:

    Lunatic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwoI9t0e11k

  • In reply to JohnGalt:

    Also, what is it about the pack and the media, jesus christopher:

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/dom_bonvissuto/12/01/nfl-playoff-projections-week-13/1.html

    So we win only 2 of the next 5, but the pack sweeps them all? Seriously? This dude is smoking crack. They beat NE AT NE and us and the Giants?!?!? Geeet Mike McCarthy's AND Aaron Rodger's dicks out of your mouth son. My goodness.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    that's pretty naive to think they'll sweep. I'd be pleasantly surprised if we won more than 2 more though.....

    pack 11-5
    bears 10-6

  • In reply to brocklanders:

    actually, I think we beat the Jets. I dunno if we beat the vikes though.....

    maybe we get to 11-5

  • In reply to brocklanders:

    I think we lose to Bieber Sr. and the Pats but that is the only game we lose the rest of the year. We then get a rematch of SB XX and we force the pack to both wear there 85 throwback uni's and start Steve Grogan at QB.

    Championship

  • In reply to MASOCHR:

    Pats not Pack. Although the idea of Grogan in Green and Gold is somewhat amusing. If he's still alive.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    He died in the locker room after SB XX of multiple internal injuries. Finding Wilber Marshall's helmet up his rectum led many to believe Wilber had delivered the fatal blow. It was the second helmet Marshall had lost during the game, but Tony Eason walking funny as he left the stadium caused many to speculate.

  • In reply to MASOCHR:

    Talk about printing things and putting them up on lockers this week: http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/252250-burleson-guarantees-lions-win

    Nate, meet Major Penis... Major penis... Nate B.

    You're majorly overdue for a breakout game MP.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I doubt I could pass out a bunch of empty Pringles cans to all the people making the trip, even if they would take them and wave them, security won't let you have the cans. Too bad. 5 buses = 300 people. A whole endzone of fans waving Pringles cans, that would be great.

    Ford Field is sold out, and I bet it will be 50% Navy and Orange.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    +1
    Beats the Steeler's hankies thing.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    The last asshole Lions WR who made that claim is now the #3 receiver in Dallas. Roy Williams.

  • In reply to MASOCHR:

    Love it.

  • In reply to brocklanders:

    THis is sweet: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSCbzw2rkMo

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Ref tells AJ that he knows Finnegan is a goon, but yet the LJ doesn't throw a single hands to the face flag for all those plays leading up. Jesus.

    No wonder the NFL just slapped them with fines. A suspension would have brought that video out.

  • In reply to brocklanders:

    I think we lose to the Pats and MAYBE the jets. I just have a feeling about GB. And I'm being bullish about beating minny, I still think they suck even if they do have a Bear as head coach.

    Bitches.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I think we match up well against each.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I will eat the infected bunions of a thousand lepers if we lose to that jazz bag Sanchez. Bears 15 Jets 7. Manning sacks Sanchize for a safety.

  • In reply to brocklanders:

    I think we kick the shit out of the Jets. The Fudgers shut them out in New Jersey, why can't we shut them out at home?

  • In reply to brocklanders:

    Which puts us out of the playoff picture having lost more conference games than the others.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    "Extra Point: Right now, we project the Packers, Saints and Chargers all having at least a five-game winning streak heading into the playoffs. No more than two teams have ever gone to the postseason on that long of a streak since the divisions realigned in 2002. If it does, you can chalk it up to the NFL backloading the schedules with divisional matchups to avoid teams playing meaningless games late in the season. Good job, Goodell."

    Holy fuck, national sportswriters hate the Bears.

    I would tape this column to every Bears locker with the caption "everybody is waiting for you to fail. Prove it every day."

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I'm hoping we get 3 wins. GB is going to play well to the end. Who knows? If Rodgers goes down, they are doomed. No rushing attack. With Rodgers they're a tough out.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    The problem is, with no running game, Rodgers will pass it the whole game, and he's pretty good at that.

  • In reply to brocklanders:

    I wouldn't say we're exactly on pace to win the division...If we both (bears+packers) win the next four (and we have the tougher schedule), we'd have to take out green bay on the road (a game they'd surely have the edge in) in order to take the division. If cutler wins the division with those projected numbers, you'd have to give it to him. If we lose the division, kramer's numbers are much more impressive.

  • In reply to brocklanders:

    IF the pack still has Rodgers by then Wrig.

    He's their #1 RB you know, and at some point he's going to get blown up Chris Simms style. Do they play the steelers... can I send flowers to James Harrison?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    There is definitely a concern for him there, but he's still got a better chance of surviving than cutler does. Our line has improved, obviously, but we still have to play jared allen in the dome.

  • In reply to brocklanders:

    Yeah, I'm not convinced that a scramble or backside blind sack is more dangerous than a BQ playing running back

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    More proof for my firmly held belief that Jimmy mac was a baller and gimps like Peyton Manning aren't. The play comes before the body. There are no consequences, only the play. Scrape for those inches ...

  • In reply to brocklanders:

    He'll eat Webb's lunch all day long.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Dropping f bones:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOWrw2m8_5k

  • In reply to brocklanders:

    I've been watching the hit at 1:49 on a continuous loop

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VHtSavhvz8

  • In reply to gpldan:

    damn. Love that hit

  • In reply to gpldan:

    That would have cost 25k today.

  • In reply to Crowned:

    Crown, you said it before I could lol

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Coach's: "stay away from the light son"

    Ferguson: "But Mama I like the light"

  • In reply to brocklanders:

    Stats Schmats. Jimmy Mac went to the Pro Bowl after winning us a Lombardi. Never saw Sid Luckman play. They're all chasing Jimmy - got to win a SB if you want best season talk. No trophies awarded for stats.

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    is 93.5 really the highest passer rating over a full season ever by a bears quarterback? That is ridiculous.

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    In my mind the best seasons by Bears QB's in my lifetime are Jim McMahon 1985 is #1 and Bill Wade 1963 #2. Look at career stats of players after they retire. Otherwise, who give's a rats ass? All I want is the trophy.

    It's like the greatest 100 players or the greatest RB. We all have our faves but that's all it really is. Our faves. Oh well.

    Sheer numbers say give the nod to Kramer. More victories say give the nod to Cutler. I say, Cutler should have way better seasons in a few years if we can get some stability in the offense, better OL men and better WR's. Dude's got the talent and the toughness.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    too bad we don't have the front office to make it happen for him (yet)

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    agreed! I don't know what Frank Omiyale is making, but cut it in half or cut him!

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Jim McMahon missed half of 85.

  • In reply to JeffHughes:

    And we won the trophy because he was healthy at the end. When he was out at the end of the year, we went quietly into that dark night.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Our D posted back to back shutouts en route to the SB. I love McMahon, but those playoffs were about posting ZEROS...

  • In reply to PhantomOne:

    Wouldn't argue that a bit but we always shit the bed in big games when Mac wasn't the QB. I'm not saying Mac's great, I'm saying he was the QB that got us there. Nobody had done that since Bill Wade in '63.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    That fucktard coke-head Charles Martin took McMahon out for the year in '86. May have cost the Bears the Super Bowl.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    For those of you with a strong stomach. The Martin 'late hit'. Scumbag.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MroG2oxyiyU

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    I'll say it. Mac was great.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    +1
    Ditka said we don't win the superbowl without Jimmy. That and the fact he said McMahon was the smartest football player he ever knew are two very cool statements if you're Jimmy Mac. Single most important Bear on that team, no question.

  • In reply to JeffHughes:

    Steve Fuller was an excellent backup!

  • In reply to iamndmurff:

    He wasn't that excellent. When Mac would go down so would our chances of winning, esp in the playoffs.

  • In reply to iamndmurff:

    Miami.

  • really Kramer? Chasing Kramer? That's the best we gots? Wow. Sad.

    First time I realized he had that kind of season.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    lol yea that kinda puts things in perspective smh

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    Then he hurt his neck and that was preetty much all she wrote for his career.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Unfortunately, Kramer and Johhny Morris are our franchises Montana to Rice. But, I would much rather root for a gritty cold-weather defense dominated team as opposed to one with great specialty offensive players.

  • In reply to Crowned:

    Little Johnny Morris flashbackin'

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uwLv04C6H8&feature=related

  • In reply to gpldan:

    That Sweetness to McMahon TD pass is so awesome.

    I had forgotten how far behind we fell in so many of these games.

  • In reply to Crowned:

    I would take the snap at 1:34 against the Vikes here:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uwLv04C6H8&feature=related

    and I would make Matt Forte watch that snap in a loop on a big screen projector in his house every moment he's home. Even while asleep, that play just loops and loops and loops.

    Sweetness' blitz pickup is a thing of beauty.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    +1

  • In reply to Crowned:

    Kramer did it under one Wrong Turner...even more impressive. I have to give it to him. Our D sucked ass that year and our offense carried our team. Cutler's year has been far too up and down, like his career so far really. Of course I hope he lights the world on fire these next two months and i'm proved wrong, but as of now 1995 is the best year of Bears quarterbacking ever.

  • In reply to MASOCHR:

    Curtis Conway and Bobby Engram and Michael Timpson catching.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Geeez Gpl I started at the top and put that question in as the trivia of the day,and you win 3 hrs before I ask the question. Makes you the shit!!..

  • In reply to iamndmurff:

    None of those three are the right answer. I did, however, answer your question up top.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Kramer was great that year, but he wasn't a clutch QB. There were a few games where he had a chance to win it at the end and didn't make the throw.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    That should have been Mac's nickname. 'Clutch'.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Watching the NFL Network. They're still on their 'Vick for MVP' thing, but now there's a uh-oh, a but to the conversation. Then they whip out the hightlights from last week. Love it! Urlacher is a beast, Peanut is the bomb.

  • In reply to Crowned:

    Man if Kramer would have had Morris to throw to, Kramers numbers woulda been much better. Trivia time: Who was catching all of Erik Kramers passes his record setting year?

  • In reply to iamndmurff:

    Jeff Graham. At the end of the season, Wanny decided to let Graham go despite the season he just had, because he needed money to pay Alonzo Spellman.

    Wanny was a fucktard.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    +1 & +1

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Wanny was the same guy who traded away the 4th pick in the draft to acquire Rick Mirer (who was already a certifiable bust, after being taken # 1 overall a few years earlier).

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Me too. Somewhat scary, actually.

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