Bears Should Rest Starters at Lambeau

Joe Webb and the Minnesota Vikings - in defense of every beagle, labrador and collie of this nation - thoroughly dominated the Philadelphia Eagles last night and handed the Chicago Bears a first round bye.  Shortly thereafter a collective groan was heard in and around the New York metropolitan area.  Giants fans, who never stopped recounting their fourth-quarter meltdown during the Christmas holiday, watched their club's playoff hopes dwindle even further as the Bears were stripped of all motivation from Sunday at Lambeau Field.  Unless, of course, you believe the Bears organization is concerned with removing the Packers from the tournament.

And they shouldn't be.  Not now.  I've said all along that if the Bears could improve their seeding heading into the final week of the season, they should deliver an inspired effort in Green Bay and knock the cheese out of January/February football. But barring an Atlanta collapse against Carolina and a Bucs win over the Saints in the early games, the Bears are firmly entrenched as the deuce.  That leaves three possible outcomes at Lambeau.  (1) The Bears win and feel a bit better about themselves.  (2) The Bears lose and feel a bit worse about themselves.  (3) Someone important gets injured.  To incorrectly paraphrase a Meatloaf tune, "Two out of three are pretty damn shitty."

I don't think the Bears should make anybody important inactive (with the exception of Pisa Tinoisamoa, who will now certainly be healthy for the Divisional Round) but they should have Jay Cutler, Matt Forte, Devin Hester, Julius Peppers, Brian Urlacher and Lance Briggs off the field by halftime.  Leave the offensive line to face Clay Matthews and the attacking defensive front.  Leave the other receivers to get some reps with Caleb Hanie, a player who might be called upon in a critical moment.  Leave the secondary to face one of the best passing attacks in the sport.  Get Chester Taylor, Nick Roach, Brian Iwuh and Corey Wootton maximum reps.  I don't look at sitting the stars as a negative thing.  I see it as essential player development awarded to the teams who've earned the right to do it in-season, against the highest quality of competition.  And based on the way the Bears emerged from their mid-season bye, I'm not concerned about them losing any type of momentum.

I will also add this: the New York Giants scare me a lot more than the Green Bay Packers.  I don't think the Giants are better than the Pack but I believe the Bears can line up with the Packers and beat them without tricks.  I've seen it happen already this year.  The Giants front four on defense against the Bears offensive line is a disaster waiting to happen and eliminating them from the tournament would eliminate perhaps the Bears biggest conference matchup problem.

Think of a postseason game without Cutler.  Without Hester.  Without Peppers, Urlacher or Briggs.  Now ask yourself whether knocking the Packers out of the playoffs Sunday would be worth that risk.

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  • First, there should be no rest for the wicked.

  • Assuming Green Bay wins on Sunday, the only way the Bears can play the likely No. 6 seed Packers in the playoffs is if they both advance to the NFC Title game, and I don't see the Packers getting by both the Eagles and Falcons on the road.

    The Bears will likely play the Eagles or Saints in the divisional playoff, both tough match-ups but I'd much rather face the Eagles.

  • blogfader..must disagree...time to shove it down the NFL's throat...keep the level of intensity up!!

  • Right on, Jimmy. I also want the Packers in because I think they can go on the road and beat both Philly and Atlanta, giving us the NFC Championship game.

  • In reply to JeffHughes:

    A Bears-Packers NFC title game would be too big for words. Hope it happens. It's been 69 years since the one and only time they played in the postseason.

  • In reply to JimmyGreenfield:

    That would be a monumental game. At Soldier Field.

  • In reply to JimmyGreenfield:

    We would need some magic dust sprinkled on the field if that happened...

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Exactly. Jimmy and Jeff, you two really want to poke the 600LB gorilla with a hot poker, right in the penis?

    Don't know what you've seen that I haven't but that pecker team is seriously dangerous. We had one meltdown game against the giants, but I think they are infinitely more beatable than Gb is right now. I think you guys are giving the giants more credit than they deserve and GB not enough. I get the home field thing, but that hasn

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    LOL!

  • In reply to JimmyGreenfield:

    Let me say in advance if this happens, I will expect you gentlemen to be disciplined about feeding the animals that would show up on this blog.

  • In reply to JeffHughes:

    Jimmy, you

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    When in doubt, just do what the Patriots do.

  • In reply to Joseph:

    Remember what happened to Wes Welker in 2003. The Patsy's lost him for the Playoffs when Bellicheat played him. The Ravens went on to beat them in the first round.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I think this scenario will more than likely play out. The Giants and Bucs losing making the game moot for Green Bay as well. Don't be surprised if both teams play their scrubs and the Bears win the toilet bowl match.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    The nfl moved the game to the afternoon, to overlap the Giants and Bucs games - so everyone has to play hard because nobody knows what is happening in the other games.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I still think the Green Bay will be tactically meaningless because I do not think the Falcons will make it to the title game.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    I really don't see sexy rexy and his skins beating the Giants. The game will matter to green bay, and not to us. We will lose this game on Sunday unless Wootten can concuss Mr Rogers, sending him to the land of make believe.

  • In reply to MASOCHR:

    Yeah. And nobody bet the vikings either.

  • In reply to sjvl:

    Word. Here's a radical thought for y'all ... let's do our best and see what happens.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Yeah, what a concept!!

    +1

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I'm starting to think that playing the starters would be like Lovie playing checkers when he should be playing Chess MB.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Ha, yes I'm real though some might say I still am a gnome.

    Good arguments on both sides. Best example supporting your argument are the 2007 NY Giants. They gave NE a great game in Week 17 to try and stop them from going 16-0 when they had nothing to gain. And that game almost certainly gave them the momentum that allowed them to win the Super Bowl.

  • In reply to JimmyGreenfield:

    Jimmy you have yourself a top knotch beard.

  • In reply to MASOCHR:

    It looks like someone drew eyes on an upside down old-school GI Joe doll from the 60's. Well done, Jimmy, well done.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    :o)

  • In reply to JimmyGreenfield:

    The Bears played their starters for most of the first half and showed vanilla schemes. This is probably what Lovie will do against the Pack.

    http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2006010104/2005/REG17/bears@vikings#recap-channels:cat-post-recap-full-story

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    What he'll actually do is stand on the sideline and occasionally look up at the screen like a total mong.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Rest players? thats what the first round bye is for! I say go into Green Bay and slay the dragon NOW! If we dont beat the Pack down now, we could in fact have it come back and bite us in the ass.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    If the Bears start everyone and try to win the game, what do you think a blow out loss coupled with an injury to one or two of our key players mean to the Bears momentum?

  • In reply to JeffHughes:

    Carlson wants to lynch Vick himself for being so uppity.

    http://robotceleb.com/news/29756-12292010-tucker-carlson-execute-michael-vick.html

  • In reply to gpldan:

    That guy REALLLLLLLY needs to get laid for the first time in his life. WOW.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Carlson is just using sport as a pretext for politics. Obama praised Vick's comeback and rehab into a reformed person, so of course Fox needs a lackey to make it into a race issue and say something incendiary.

    Carlson is just the twerp to do it.

    This is a guy who used to emulate George Will by wearing a bow tie all the time, claiming he "just liked it". He's the little shit twerpy guy you went to school with, the guy who couldn't get laid to save his life because he had no social grace and was always insulting people behind their backs and never to their faces.

    Just the kind of moral character that Rupert Murdoch loves.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Best summary of TC ever written.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    It's all about ratings, so I assume he's getting them. Of course, I never watch TV outside of Chicago Bears football games (and *occasional* other NFL/college games) so I don't even know who the guy is.

  • In reply to Mastodon:

    That's a great philosophy; I wish I watched less TV too. It would free up the brain cell that knows who Carlson is.

  • In reply to Mastodon:

    Good for you Dave. "Television .. drug of a nation .. breeding ignorance and feeding radiation ..."

    Thanks to the internet we can choose what we want to watch now.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    John Stewart's takedown of him and Paul Begala on takedown is f'in classic:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFQFB5YpDZE

  • In reply to mikebdot:

    Jeeez, that guy is king of the douches. What a fucking nerd.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Consider how fickle a mistress fortune is, and how unwise it is to spite her...

    The Titans lost a defensive tackle last Sunday to concussion, William Hayes. He was concussed while sitting ON THE SIDELINE, by an errant Kerry Collins pass that hit him in the side of the head while he had his helmet off.

    A cruel cruel lady she can be.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Ed zachary GP!

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Oooh. THAT'S gonna leave a MARK.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    We will beat the Giants, Eagles, , Packers ....WHOEVER we play.

    Testing the physical markup support in the Comment-code.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Irish should be seeing $2 PS3 games on the streets of Thailand any day now. The encrypted boot ROM keys have been cracked. Only took 4 years to do it...

    http://psgroove.com/content.php?581-Sony-s-PS3-Security-is-Epic-Fail-Videos-Within

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Ah, so the GPL is a GNU reference.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Indeed it is.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Only took me like two years to figure that one out.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I'll be able to afford a PS3 when they're out about 8 years GPL. PCs are still ahead of the game though, right?

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Cruel ladies do not frighten me.

  • In reply to sjvl:

    They scare the shit out of me.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    could this dream be coming true
    has the world turned orange and blue
    is Webb the new arm for the Vike's
    Have we seen the end of Mike's
    is the plural of conundrum, conundra
    can we win in the Frozen Tundra
    will the Saints come marching in
    is it the Giants or Packers again
    for Lovie and Ditka and Halas
    can we take the Bears down to Dallas
    will the spirit of Walter appear
    as the final day comes near
    how apropos it would be
    on this 25th anniversary
    to face the same team again
    and beat them 46-10

  • In reply to JeffMcGuire:

    Damn, you see - now that's how you bring it.

    Just get yourself an avatar and you'll be all set...

  • In reply to JeffMcGuire:

    Doesn't matter what the score was
    We'll beat them with our mini-Ditkas
    but if I must be a prognosticating hero
    I'd go with 99 to zero (minimum my friend)

  • In reply to JeffMcGuire:

    Wow.

  • In reply to JeffMcGuire:

    i predict the following:

    If the Bears win, which I expect them to, Phrozen, Cheesy the 18yr old, Max, Mr.A.Rodgers and any other troll out there will bitch and complain about injuries and such like little whiny bitches. You will hear excuses and crying and moaning and sad, aggressive complaints. You may get the sense that these aren't grown men and a kid that barely has hair on his sack but small schoolgirls crying over a skinned knee or because little Tommy doesn't like them. You may even feel sorry for them and you may feel as if you need to comfort them since, they are after all, human beings that need love and acceptance too. I say resist that urge because when it is all said and done and the Bears have either beat the Pack out of the race or simply moved further in the playoffs you will still cringe every time one of them makes an excuse of why there wasn't a Disney movie made about the 2010 Packers. Fuck'em, now i want the starters to play just to envision the fucking tears streaming down their faces as they realize that not only did they not make the playoffs, they were knocked out by the Bears, who already had the 2nd seed and just wanted to fuck them a little harder and a little longer. Roll over Aaron, it's time for the money shot. Pep, rip off that Magnum and let him have it.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    For some reason, I feel like a cigarette and I don't even smoke.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    More than that, Carlson's a dangerous human being. Not only does he look like Damien Thorn, the anti-christ, but he believes the punishment should radically exceed the crime. Not an eye for an eye, old testament-style, but a head for an eye.

  • The level of intensity is going to immediately drop anyway since they're off next week.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMk5sMHj58I<<<--------Nuff said

  • In reply to Joseph:

    You PLAY to WIN the GAME.... duh

  • In reply to gpldan:

    HELLO

  • In reply to Joseph:

    Actually, you play to win the Super Bowl. Sunday's game has the hint of relevancy because a No. 1 see is still possible but for all intents and purposes that won't happen.

    You play to win the Super Bowl. Rest the starters.

  • In reply to JimmyGreenfield:

    If this team was proven/consistant then I would say rest em'. But we still don't know what team shows up from week to week so I think the more experience the better.

    Plus they will have the bye to rest. Or, play a half/3 quarters and go from there.

  • In reply to JimmyGreenfield:

    And to all intents and purposes the Vikings wouldn't beat the Eagles, and so on and so, that's why they play the games and don't just award Lombardis as soon as the schedules come out and they can project all likely results and the playoff brackets. Jesus. You try and beat whoever's put in front of you until you're told to go home. Repeat the next year etc. Can you imagine GSH telling the boys "Okay, now, I'm resting you, you and you, don't play that hard, fuck it up a little, we don't wabt to beat the packers because A, B and C might happen if X, Y and Z ..."

    Fuck that.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I agree with Viva and MB. Green Bay is much more dangerous. That could be my fear boner talking. We need to rub them out of the playoff picture. See how I did that?

  • In reply to Jokey:

    Watch out for flying love gunk.

  • In reply to Jokey:

    Fear boners come from fear of the unknown. I am more concerned about teams we have no experience with this season. Honestly I would rather replay the Giants or the Packers than the play the Saints or the Falcons for the first time.

  • In reply to Jokey:

    Every single one of you that believes we have a better chance of beating the Falcons in the dome in Atlanta than we have of beating the Packers without a starting RB at Soldier Field either lives to close to the Wisconsin border and is eating contaminated cheesehead cheese or have lost all football sense due to some fear boner for the Pack.

    The... Only... Way... We... Play... The... Packers... In... The... Playoffs... Is... If... They... Beat... The... Eagles... And... Falcons... For... Us.

    We should not even start Cutler, Lach, and Pepp; Olsen, Forte, Hester, Peanut; all done at half at the latest. Hell if TB loses and the Giants ar down GB might even play scrubs by the 4th quarter as then they get in even with a loss. This game is totally meaningless to us.

  • In reply to dutsami:

    The Packers rush for more yards per game (barely), than we do.

  • In reply to dutsami:

    You go in, kick Green Bay's ass, knock them out of the playoffs on their home field, and then you go kick the shit out the next team.
    Fearing these Giants? WTF.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    And I absolutely agree with Ghost (among others).
    The key now is momentum. You get momentum from marching into Lambeau and popping the Packers right in the nose and then letting New York come get some two weekends later.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Me too. I want to see Urlacher make his happy face again this week.

  • In reply to sjvl:

    The Vikings must've made you show your happy face last night.
    I bet Philly is in a tizzy.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Well, Mike, I don't know. I do know I ran all my home improvement errands today wearing my brand new Bears coat and received many dirty looks. I gave them my Urlacher grin.

    Fuck em. Hee Hee Hee Hee!!!!!! Hate the Eagles - more than Green Bay, amazingly.

  • In reply to sjvl:

    lol

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    The Bears can't keep GB out of the playoffs, alone.

  • In reply to dutsami:

    True that. But if they win, they ARE in, regardless of anything else that happens this weekend.

  • In reply to dutsami:

    Ooo I know what we should do to help both teams out...

    We should talk to the Packers and have them pretend to be the Saints, use their plays and the ilk, and we will run the Eagles Offense and Defensive looks for them. That way the whole thing won't be a complete waste of time.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Okay , so for the momentum argument..

    We already have a bye week... regardless. So, that bye week would stop any momentum gained from playing our starters in the Packers game. And if I gotta pick a wildcard matchup to possibly eventually face between the Giants and Pack, I will take the Pack, I don't wanna see Cutler get sacked 9 times per half again, no thanks. So maybe letting them in the playoffs to go take care of our light work isn't such a bad idea.

  • In reply to dutsami:

    again, one weekend vs two weekends are different momentum stoppers.

    And you guys are basing that on old data man. We would crush the giants this time, the pack is a MUCH better team right now without a doubt. Plus, we know what the giants can bring and now we can stop it.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Our line cannot play with their line MB. 17 QB hits. Same players. Can't see it.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    The Giants are a mentally broken team, Irish. They are damn lucky they haven't gotten their head coach fired yet...and once again, you are really woefully estimating what difference some continuity can mean for those five starters, as well as the change in Martz' play-calling.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    We will own the Giants if fortunatre enough to see them in the playoffs.

  • In reply to dutsami:

    I disagree. Momentum is lost by playing half-assed, not by resting.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Start them!

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Mine eyes have seen the horror of the coming of the King:
    He is scribbling out the rankings wearing his tiny pinky ring;
    He hath loosed the fateful lightning of His terrible swift word:
    His half-truth is marching on.

    I have seen him in the day glow of a hundred rookie camps,
    They have builded him an altar on the SI site and john;
    I can read His self-righteous sentence by the dim and ipad lamps:
    Rankings are marching on.

    I have read a fiery gospel writ in burnished times new roman:
    "As ye deal with my hissy, so with you my grace shall yield";
    Let Peter King, born of woman, look like Willy Loman,
    Since rankings are marching on.

    He has sounded forth the trumpet that shall never admit defeat;
    He is sifting out the hearts of teams before His judgment-seat:
    Oh, be swift, my fingers, to answer Him! be jubilant, my feet!
    Rankings are marching on.

    He is coming like the horror of a vegas bender's end,
    He is Wisdom to the stupid, He is rancor to the brave,
    So the world shall be His footstool, and hindsight his slave,
    Rankings are marching on.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    very nice!

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Bravo!

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Thank you, sir.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    So, it looks like the Saints in Chi-town, (2006 all over again). The question then becomes, do you want to play the Pack or the Giants in Chi-town? (Since we have no control if ATL beats either-we go there). I think you give the Pack a fair shot, (while rotating fresh bodies in much more frequently). Play Cutler while we are leading/close. Maybe run Hester only half the time you normally would. I would definitely get Garrett Wolfe some touches on returns (and run some screens/bubble screens WR sets his way). Get Taylor more touches, Major more field time, etc. Keep your edge, and root for the WC team to beat Atlanta to get your second home game, and on to the Super Bowl.

  • In reply to Godwinslaw:

    I'm predicting the Falcons to lose. That's right, one n done. There schedule outside the division was pretty soft.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    +1
    That would be cool.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Lovie will play the starters. He will go into this game trying to win it.

  • In reply to Grizzly559:

    Unfortunately, I think you're right.

  • In reply to WeShallReturn:

    we want to win this game!

  • In reply to WeShallReturn:

    We are steamrolling right now! we need to keep our swagga goin!

  • In reply to WeShallReturn:

    Devin Hester: "To be honest, I do. You don't want to sit out three weeks. That's a long time for a player to sit out and not really get in the game atmosphere and the conditioning. Three weeks is a long time. Knowing that we got a bye week the following week, I would love to go out and play the whole game and finish out and make sure I stay on my keys and points and make sure I'm in top shape when the playoffs start."

  • In reply to Grizzly559:

    The football fan in me wants to see a great game with all the starters playing, but the Bears fan - the fan that wants them to succeed in the playoffs - wants the starters to rest.

    Resting against the Pack plus the bye MIGHT make us complacent and lead to a loss. But losing Peppers, Urlacher and/or Cutler or another key starter WILL MOST CERTAINLY lead to a loss.

  • In reply to WeShallReturn:

    we haven't lost anyone in the last 16 games (cept briggsy and pisa), so why all the paranoid panic now?

  • In reply to Grizzly559:

    I think I have made my vote and point clear but let me just re-state that the Bears have always been a team that either climbs the mountain where not even an avalanche can slow them or they just fall over and die. The 1985 Bears were the best example of an unstoppable team. Losing one to Miami in which they learned from and went on. The Bears have a long, colorful history of tough bastards that make you pay whether they win or not, the enemy gets on the bus battered. That IS the Bears. Sitting our starters is "unbear like". I understand logic, but it takes way more than logic to win the Super Bowl. You have to have guts, you have to have the fire. The kind of fire you see in the old reels of Butkus, Singletary, Sweetness, Sayers, and the rest. We need to keep that fire burning and throwing away a game and playing it safe pisses on that fire.

    In closing I shall leave you with some quotes froom some of the most famous Bears ever to fill your hearts with that fire as well.

    "Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it."
    -George Halas

    "When I played pro football, I never set out to hurt anyone deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something."
    -Dick Butkus

    "Never die easy. Why run out of bounds and die easy? Make that linebacker pay. It carries into all facets of your life. It's okay to lose, to die, but don't die without trying, without giving it your best."
    -Walter "Sweetness" Payton

    "Before you can win, you have to believe you are worthy."
    -Mike Ditka

    "I learned that if you want to make it bad enough, no matter how bad it is, you can make it."
    -Gale Sayers

    "Do you know what my favorite part of the game is? The opportunity to play."
    -Mike Singletary

    "Most football players are temperamental. That's 90 percent temper and 10 percent mental."
    -Doug Plank

    BEAR DOWN!!!

  • In reply to Reichwolff:

    Green Bay... FUCKING DEAD!!!!

  • In reply to Reichwolff:

    Kick-ass post! Bear down!

  • In reply to Reichwolff:

    Go Gayle!!!!!

  • In reply to sjvl:

    I feel like smashing someone in my office like that one commercial

  • In reply to Reichwolff:

    Q.E.D. I think.

  • In reply to Grizzly559:

    Now it's time for Don Banks solo number:

    [Spoken]
    Hold your breath
    Make a wish
    Count to three

    [Sung]
    Come with me
    And you'll be
    In a world of
    Pure imagination
    Take a look
    And you'll see
    Into your imagination

    We'll begin
    With a spin
    Traveling in
    The world of my creation
    What we'll see
    Will defy
    Explanation

    If you want to view NFL homerism
    Simply look around and view it
    Anything you want to, do it
    Want to change the world?
    There's nothing
    To it

    There is no
    Life I know
    To compare with
    Pure imagination
    Living there
    You'll be free
    If you truly wish to be

    If you want to view NFL bias
    Simply look around and view it
    Anything you want to, do it
    Wanta change the world?
    There's nothing
    To it

    There is no
    Life I know
    To compare with
    Pure imagination
    Living there
    You'll be free
    If you truly
    Wish to be

  • In reply to gpldan:

    love that song.

    Gene wilder was brilliant singing it.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Still makes me tear up...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZ-uV72pQKI

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Amazing.

    Then there's this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbEVhaOWJnA

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    And this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZ2ApmX4Z08

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    He's just the loveliest man, Gene. Anyone with 8 minutes to spare should see how this man conducts himself talking about love, loss and cancer. You, Mr. Wilder, are a bright, shining star.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiKdTtzVK_U

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Awesome!!

  • In reply to Grizzly559:

    So it's all hands on deck Sunday? Smith was asked.

    "You're part of this conversation we just had, right?" Smith said. "We're playing to win the game. It's a typical Wednesday and we have Green Bay coming up."

    Smith was reminded that he had rested starters in the season-finale in 2006 against the Packers, lost by a lot, and wound up going to the Super Bowl. He was then asked if he checked his notes from that season or learned anything from that experience.

    "I was in charge then, so I kind of realize what we did back then," Smith said. "You adjust a lot of things. In '06 we had some injuries, too. There's a lot of things that go into who plays, but for us it's 2010, and we plan on playing our guys. this week. I don't know what else I need to tell you besides that."

    Journal Sentinel (via rotoworld)

    To me it makes sense to rest guys, but I can't say I'm sad we're gunning to stomp on the Pack

  • In reply to reprisal:

    Some of the Packer fan responses sounded a little timid, like they were nervous of the Bears playing full bore and kicking their ass.

  • In reply to reprisal:

    Sounds to me like Lovie got his much needed wake up call when the whole City of Chicago was talking about canning him. Bears fans love a winner Lovie. Sunday you can cement the love of every Bear fan in the world if you spank our arch enemies and send them home packing. (no pun intended).

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Totally GPL. The idea of playing to lose in anyway is anathema to champions. Losing is a bad habit. We're playing for a #1 seed by the way, where did this idea crop up there's nothing to play for? And I get called the whiner? Whining for WINNING.

    Just the thought that people would be okay with us allowing the Packers to beat us is puke-inducing.

  • The New York Giants were decimated by the Packers 3 days ago (45 - 17). We are not the same team were were when we played either the Giants or the Packers. We have improved dramatically, and Green Bay is healthier, and will not commit 18 penalties again. The New York Giants have not improved, in fact, one could make the argument that they are sliding in the wrong direction.

    ATTACK! ATTACK! ATTACK!

    The assumption of risk is unavoidable under any scenario. Cutler could sprain an ankle in practice, or like Urlacher did last year, in the second series of our first playoff game. I think taking out Green Bay now is the most prudent way to achieve a trip to the SB.

    The only caveat to this is the following scenario, if Lovie is convinced that his team is not focused on game day (think Pats game), then maybe it would make more sense to balance the scales of humility and confidence.

    I truly hope that I am not proven right.

    Bear Down!

  • In reply to PhantomOne:

    Viva, I am you (see below). Fuck. and I don't even had a philosophy degree.

    Speaking of that Viva... are you a real-life philosopher.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    That's funny, MB. Buck was right up my alley yesterday. I've always been facinated with how the world works. The world is shaped by ideas, from Aristotle and Plato, to Marx and Adam Smith.

  • In reply to PhantomOne:

    The world AS YOU (and other humans) SEE IT is shaped by ideas. The world simply exists. You think the herd of deer jumping across the freeway gives a flying fuck about Dwight D. Eisenhower?

    1.0 The world is all that is the case - Wittgenstein

    I wish I was a philosopher, but I'm just a GD mechanical engineer. Hard to make the "big bucks" philophizing.

  • In reply to mikebdot:

    The unexamined life is not worth living.

    -Socrates

    The unlived life is not worth examining.

    -Ananymous

  • In reply to mikebdot:

    Unfortunately, nobody took any damn notice of Ike's 1961 exit speech, when he predicted exactly what has happened with the military industrial complex, in particular joint resolution 114 - where one man has the sole right to go to war or push the button. God help us all.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Have you been watching Oliver Stone's JFK lately? Best edited movie of all time.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    I say no to resting anybody! We have a win streak going so let's finish the season with 6 in a row!! Remember what Lovie always says: It all about finishing! I'm holding Lovie to HIS words. Let's finish all the way no matter what it takes!!!!

  • In reply to RogerMinton:

    exactly Madd.

    "Finish"

    and "Beat Green Bay"

    That's it.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    +1

    I've been reading around on Green Bay comboxes, and the discussion is all about who they're going to beat to get to the SuperBowl. Some cocky motherfuckers.

    Let's pound Rodgers harder into the turf than Brett's wee-wee into Stergis; let's put up 40 and have Hester run one back; let's have the best game of our season, emerge undefeated in our conference, rest for a week, and then fucking destroy whoever is unlucky enough to play us. Bear Down!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Look, I have a confession guys.

    I've been holding it in all this time, but I can't keep it from any of you any longer. Here it is...

    As long as we beat Green Bay on Sunday, I really don't care what happens next. That's not really true, because I will of course be infinitely interested in what happens to us in the playoffs and then the super bowl. But you understand where I

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    That's right! Finish out the season (which ends right after the SB is over) with a 6 in a row win streak! That should be our only focus right now. All the way and no looking back!!!
    It would be a great tribute the the 85 Bears if we face the Patriots in the SB just to POUND THE FUCKING FAIRHAIR'D CHILDS ASS INTO THE TURF AT DALLAS!!!! As well as win too. ALL THE WAY!!! ALL THE WAY!! is my new slogan for the Bears!!!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    i respectfully disagree. The goal is the superbowl. Being written off as a team that got lucky all year pisses me off. The only way to stuff it down everyone's throats is to take this thing all the way to the house. We didn't get lucky against other teams, we stayed healthy and they didn't. We have a first round bye. That means we go to the NFC Championship game by winning 1 fucking game in the playoffs. Then the Superbowl. No reason to risk that kind of well deserved fortune. Let this Green Bay season fade into has been history. I'm not saying roll over but there is no reason to risk our insanely good health against a team that doesn't mean shit to us.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Amusing article (at least I thought so) by Morrissey in the Sun-Times today:

    http://www.suntimes.com/sports/football/bears/3074147-419/bears-team-seed-packers-sunday.html

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    tobijohn.......this is from the article and I love it!!!!!And yet this isn

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I guess that's my point. Well stated Dave.

    You play to win the game: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zLlIdZikDk

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Look, even if we play our starters we may get smoked. They are a good team and have a hellvalot more to play for than we do, I just can't condone rolling over.

    That's for the 'fancy' teams that we all hate.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    agree MB.... If you look like a pussy, and act like a pussy then your attitude will be a pussy...I take the pissed off at the world BEARS anytime..let's just play some football and see where the chips fall.

    It's like Batman having Robin fight the Riddle because he's not the Joker and Batman want's to take a breather...wtf?

    grow some balls and play the game!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    btw...how's the fam?

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    Doing well thanks lobo. Getting used to less sleep. Just need to get my skinny-fat ass back in the gym/on the road soon.

    Hope everything's good with the lobo clan too.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    were all good! thanks

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I'm trying to approach this from a logic perspective. If Cutler gets hurt or we lose Pep, Lach, Briggs, Forte or Hester at this point that would be tragic. It's called Hubris. We achieved the goal. Now we have to be smart about who we play and why. I want them to sit the 6 core guys. i'm only asking for 6 guys. give me 6 guys mang. They are cheap shot artists and will be gunning to hurt whomever they can because they are not going anywhere and we have a first round bye.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    Those 6 guys are the difference between the W and the L johnny.

    We sit anyone and it's paramount to a loss. Plain and simple... and I can't condone quitting because what 'could happen'.

    It could have happened all year at any time. As GP stated, it can even happen on the sideline when your 45 year old shitty QB throws the ball about 20 yards off target and smacks you in the melon.

    Do NOT go quietly into that good night Johnny.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    One game at a time, folks. One game at a time.

  • In reply to PhantomOne:

    Consider this:

    If we beat the green goblins of the north, we will be the FIRST team since the NFC Central become the NFC North to run the table with the division.

    That, right there, is some history worth playing for.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I say BRING IT!!!!!

  • In reply to PhantomOne:

    And thankfully we've had new thinkers like Robert M. Pirsig who blew Plato and Aristotle out of the water, quite literally, with his Metaphysics of Quality. Death to static patterns of thought. On with the new ...

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Isn't "Death to static patterns of thought" a static pattern of thought? You can't reject static thought without using it. Similarly you can't reject the law of non- contradiction without using it.

    ~(p ^ ~P)
    It's not just a good idea it's the law.

    Aristotle can't be "blown out of the water" as you say. He was a man who worked with what he had to the fullest. I have no doubt given his genius he would be ten times wiser than the greatest sage of our time.

    Watch your appeals to novelty:

    http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/appeal-to-novelty.html

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I had one philosphy course.

    Enjoyed it so much I dropped it.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Philosophy is perhaps the single most useless discipline in existence. Try reading Either/Or by Kierkegaard and tell me it's anything other than an incredibly impenetrable pile of steaming bollocks.

    A centipede was walking along quite happily one day, when he was stopped by a beetle. "My, what a lot of logs you have - how do you know which leg to put forward next?"

    The centipede began to think ... and never walked again.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    That would be legs, and not logs I guess ...

  • In reply to PhantomOne:

    The only scenario that makes sense to rest the starters is this:
    if the Bucs lose to the Saints and the G-Men lose in Washington.
    In this scenario it becomes impossible for the Bears to knock the Pack out of the playoffs. In this scenario its smart both to avoid injury and give the Packers little scouting/tape to work with in the case of a 3rd matchup. Every other scenario I say atart everybody and beat your rival to send them home.

  • In reply to PhantomOne:

    Just because you can be hit by lightening anywhere and you may get in a car accident on the way home doesn't mean you should refuse to stop golfing during a hurricane to use an excessive and overly dramatic example.

    However, your first point is a good one. Not sure how to feel about it. The Giants are exactly the wrong type of team for the Bears. But their offense is banged up and their defense either plays like the league's best unit or like the houston texans...with a lot more of the latter lately.

    There's no reason to believe that it will be easier for the Bears to walk into Lambeau this weekend and win then it will be in a few weeks at home. The Bears need the starter's to come out and decisively win the 1st quarter, take advantage on special teams to score/set up multiple opportunities and force the Pack to survive 5 weeks of playoffs and consistently high level of play. If Caleb & co can maintain the lead, great, if not the Bears reduce their risk of injury and should get a lot more out of the game tape if they have to plan a rematch.

  • In reply to PhantomOne:

    Cutty could fall off Kristin Cavelleri ...

    Did I hear on Roy's podcast that the Pats have 15 players on IR ?? Can you imagine us with 15 players on IR ? What would our record be? First pick in the draft, that's what. That's why Angelo is a complete failure, and GB and NE have professionals in place.

  • mmmmmmbearsssssss

  • I get the rivalry, my dad is from Green Bay.
    I get the point of momentum but it is moot because we have a bye anyway.
    I get the point that we need to sit the main pieces of our team.
    I am torn but we have a chance to do something so much bigger than beating the Packers. We have a chance to really go deep into the playoffs with HEALTHY players that are refreshed and ready to play full speed. You can have all the momentum in the world but if one of our key pieces goes down in a game that, when it's all said and done, doesn't mean anything regarding the superbowl, I will fucking puke. Let's be honest. We talk about momentum but some of these guys can't fucking walk right until Wednesday or Thursday afternoon out of a game. If we give these guys some rest we could take a healthy team and turn them into a bunch of fresh faced teenagers that can run for days and do it with huge smiles on their faces. Pep and Lach are old as balls and need some time. Harris too. bennett's ankle is mush.
    Only good things can happen if we let these guys rest.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    Rust never helps anyone.

  • In reply to PhantomOne:

    rust and rest are 2 different things. i truly believe that these guys will come out guns blazing if we give them some time to rest. This is a damned if you do and if you don't situation. if we start everyone and someone gets hurt Lovie is an idiot. if we rest the starters, no one gets hurt but we get beat in the playoffs people will blame it on not playing guys in the GB game. brutal.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    The easy solution is for the back-ups to kick the snot out of the Packers.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    Does anybody know what the Bears did for the last game of the Season when we went to the Super Bowl? Were we still playing for home field? Did Lovie rest the starters?

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl harbor ?

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    They lost to the Queens and it wasn't even close because Lovie rested the starters.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    It was Green Bay.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    Oh man.. sorry guys but I must disagree. Whenever I play I play to win. I dont care if "strategically" it would be better for me to lose, I am competitive in nature. When you tell a team of competitive individuals to shut up, sit down, and watch their team lose what do you think you

  • In reply to Jlehr:

    Agreed, agreed, agreed.
    You don't take the bark out of the dog if you expect him to guard your yard.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Yup. You make him fight another dog and make money off it. Oh wait ...

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Fuck Vick.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    On a lighter note: A little diddy for Track and the boys. Brings a tear to my eye every time.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woLQI8X2R6Y

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    I want to beat GB as bad as the next Bears fan, but I think Lovie needs to rest these guys. It's a veteran group of coaches and players that want the Ring. They'll keep the younger guys focused during the bye.

    Rest the starters. We should already be looking beyond GB and putting the bead on that first playoff game. It doesn't matter who we play. The playoff mindset needs to set in now.

    Championship!

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    No. I changed my mind.

  • In reply to JimmyGreenfield:

    About what? Being a garden decoration?

  • In reply to gpldan:

    THAT shit was funny.

    I love it here.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    :o)

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    i'm going to waffle back and forth until sunday just so you know. I love that some poor special teams coach is going to get fired by kicking to Hester accidentally. He gone.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    He Gone Foo! He Gone!

    Hey BearCat, you live in SD?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    no.. milwaukee area. but going there in June.. Any recommendations???

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    "He Gone" would be great on a custom Bears jersey #23.

  • Hell Yes!!!!!!

  • In reply to WeShallReturn:

    Regrettably, Yes.

  • Yes, rest the shit out of them. Mandatory bong loads.

  • ROGER THAT!!

  • yes, let the boys heal

  • I believe my opinion on this topic is well documented but for the purposes of the poll I shall be redundant in affirming my position of HELL NO!

  • inspirational speech! GO BEARS!

  • Fuck no.

  • I say start 'em.

    The double-edged sword with the first round bye is that it gives players a week's respite from the riggers of playing, but it also can throw a team off rythm.

    Look no further than Chicago's history of first round byes over the last decade:
    2001 divisional playoff game vs. Iggles was lost AT Soldier Field 33-19
    2005 divisional playoff game vs. Panthers was lost AT Soldier Field 29-21
    2006 divisional playoff game was ALMOST lost vs Seahawks. Won 27-24 OT

    Not a rosy history of playoff byes. What do each of these have in common? They rested the starters. Throwing the team further off rythm. Tom Coughlin started his Giants in Week 17 vs. the Pats with nothing to win for and that momentum took them all the way...there is precedent.

    Of course if Cutler, Urlacher, Briggs, Hester, Knox, Forte, or any other crucial starter is injured I shall be stymied and silenced by Jeff and his wonderfully correct argument.

  • In reply to TheGhostofHalas:

    Indeed. The rule should be called the "2007 Giants rule".

    2007 Giants
    2005 Steelers
    2000 Ravens
    1997 Broncos AND
    1980 Lyle Alzado led Raiders with Hungry Howie.

    Notice a trend? Perhaps... if we consider the Warner Cardinals in there as Wildcard losers... a trend that it is HAPPENING MORE FREQUENTLY PERHAPS?

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Hey if there's a lockout next year is there any chance Howie Long tries to invent some form of scab action?

  • In reply to TheGhostofHalas:

    We have the bye whether it's good for the Bears or not. Resting the starters on Sunday against GB won't make a difference. If you think the bye is bad, it's too late. We've got it. That's why I say look beyond GB and start focusing on the playoff matchup.

  • In reply to WeShallReturn:

    I don't think the bye week is bad, it is simply a means for complacency to set in. Complacency sets in sooner when you're sitting on the bench watching the second team lose a "meaningless" game to a hated division rival.

    If it were me, I would not sit them. Not one damn play.

  • In reply to TheGhostofHalas:

    That's it coach!

  • In reply to WeShallReturn:

    Just read JS Online/Packers Blog. Most of them are looking at the game against the Bears as a gimme win already. This is great, specially if Lovie decides to come out swinging to win the Game. Those Peckerheads are already spending most of their blog time talking about their Eagles matchup and they haven't even made the playoffs. Unacceptable, Beat their asses Lovie. DO NOT REST OUR STARTERS.please.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    I wish we could put the Packers out with a win, but we can't. If the Giants and Bus both lose, which has a high degree of probability given the matchups, the Packers go to the playoffs anyway. Of course there should be motivation to beat the Packers either way, but I just feel a slouch game coming on.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Me personally, I believe you always play to win, no matter the circumstance. This team seems to be gaining momentum, you don't want to lose that edge.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Pussies! The Pack looked like a MASH unit all season and stepped up to the plate doing it. I don't give a fuck which teams we lost to we played 'em straight up and to the final whistle. Starters don't leave until the other guy has no more blood left. I hate fucking quitters.

  • In reply to phrozentundra:

    Pussies are those things you have in a duffel bag in your pond out back of your barn, you sick fuck.

    Don't you worry, we'll line up to play. We'll bring Rodgers some ring a ding ding this holiday season.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Bring it. We still pack magnums with the second string because we got a GM that knows how to draft. You fucks will be one shot wonders again this year in the division and then it's off to hibernate till who knows when.

  • In reply to phrozentundra:

    Your guns are still in their holsters dude. Your team hasn't even made it to the gun fight yet.

  • In reply to phrozentundra:

    24

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    that was the other turd... I say 15 here.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    btw, how fucking insane are these: http://www.uncrate.com/men/gear/misc-gadgets/lucha-libre-masks/

    I want one. To wear to a Bears game... and to bed at night.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    The Pandita one is f-ing fantastic.

    Some of them are going to give me nightmares when I fall back asleep, so thanks for that MB30...

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    i'm watching the NFL network replay of the game. I absolutely love when Forte catches passes. Also, Tommie Harris sucks.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    It's really too bad about Butter. He was a player once, long ago.

  • In reply to phrozentundra:

    So Favre gets fined $50K. Peanuts for Penis.

    Makes me sick.

  • In reply to sjvl:

    He denied the cock shot was his. Are they going to make him admit he did it?

    Delaying it until the end of the season makes Goodell look like the joke he is. Justice for all, unless your last name is Farve.

  • In reply to sjvl:

    The picture or the fine?

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    All of the above. Or, in summary, all things Favre.

  • In reply to phrozentundra:

    Got to hand it to you on the GM in fairness. Fair dinkum.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Who exactly is picking these players who won a 2 seed this season?

  • In reply to phrozentundra:

    Oh go cry into your Favre jersey and stuff it.

  • In reply to phrozentundra:

    Go away little cowardly kitty. A pussy is someone who disappears while his beloved Packers were recording those losses, like YOU, PhrozentuRdra. Therefore, your opinions/rantings have no value whatsoever. Go tell it to BigCheesy.

  • In reply to phrozentundra:

    See you on Sunday man. We'll settle it then.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Read the journal-sentinal this afternoon as well. They have a very detailed scouting report of all phases (i'm assuming phrozen is here to get the scouting report on the fourth phase), but still seems like they are looking ahead to the eagles, and have this game in the bag.

    One thing of note is that they (journalists, scouts, mccarthy) are VERY scared of hester. They realize that whether or not we rest or play our starters, hester can make or break the outcome of the game. They know that with him on the field for returns, anything can happen. Especially after giving his "credit" to the other return guys after minnesota- they can establish instant field position, take a close game and blow it wide open.

  • In reply to WeShallReturn:

    Here's an article from last December's archives:

    If the 11-0 Colts' unbeaten run continues past the point that they lock up the No. 1 seed in the AFC, don't expect them to make a big push for a 16-0 record.

    Colts president Bill Polian said Monday he is adamant about resting his players in "meaningless" games and not exposing them to injuries that could curtail their availability for the playoffs.

    Polian said he's learned from experience to give players as much rest as possible and rejected the theory that the Colts could slow their trajectory by resting key players such as QB Peyton Manning and WR Reggie Wayne.

    "I don't believe in momentum," Polian told an Indianapolis radio station. "I don't believe there is any such thing as momentum and I heard from (former Colts coach) Tony Dungy that he has heard from other people around the league that there were a couple of instances where players who were forced to play at the end of a season when everything had been clinched felt that they were out of gas when they got into the playoffs."

    Polian said in 1999 the Colts lost LB Cornelius Bennett for the playoffs in the final regular-season game, and he's been mindful of exposing players to injury ever since.

    "The idea that you somehow lose momentum or that you get rusty has no basis in fact, none whatsoever," Polian said.

    "It's just a theory and it is great to be spoken about and written about, but the facts say otherwise."

  • In reply to KissMyButkus:

    Except they don't and he learned that the hard way.

    2007 Giants Rule.

    The Bears would be more dangerous if they backed into the playoffs as a wildcard and everybody laughed at them. Getting props and love at the #2 is just going to make them complacent.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    2007 Giants could have stopped the Patriots undefeated season from happening. That was the only reason they played their starters, to try to stop a historic rare event from happening. The 2010 Packers are not undefeated, there is nothing to be gained by winning for the Bears and possibly nothing lost by losing for the Packers. When the Bears have a wildcard spot locked up, can't gain a bye with a win and are playing an undefeated team; then you can say 2007 Giants rule.

  • In reply to KissMyButkus:

    This just in:

    Peter King is still a fat asshole.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    GP,

    Would you be so kind as to come up with a ditty that highlights MB's infatuation with Power Rankers?

  • In reply to PhantomOne:

    Oh stop, it's only an infatuation because it elicits these responses from you viva.

    NOW WHO'S IN WHO'S DOME!!!!! Oh yeah baby... boohYah!

    You know viva, it's nice and roomy in here. I like it, maybe I'll stay a while. Like my barkalounger?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I do always bold the word asshole now.

    I call it the MB Rule.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    asshole

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Hey, it works!! This little box thingy is just a HTML parser? Who woulda thunk it?

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Excellent GP.

  • In reply to PhantomOne:

    Logic says don't take a chance. The Bears fan in me says go kick some Cheesehead ass. I am sticking with my inner Butkus, guys.

  • In reply to sjvl:

    Yowsa!!

  • In reply to sjvl:

    exactly, thank you Devin. 3 weeks is just too long.

    You know, we may lose someone... maybe even cutty. But I got to be honest, quitting against GB for a first ever sweep (in the new division), is just uncontainable to me. As a fan I would regret and carry even more resentment towards lovie.

    The fucking guy

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    +1

    I almost don't care about a SB run. Just kill these Lambeau pukes.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    My requirements for this season after the pile of horse-shit that was last season ... was simply to sweep the Queens and the Fudgers. Anything else was a bonus.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I am the one woman who remembers Lovie's decree and wants him to STICK TO IT!!!!! Dammit!!! Every game is a game and I want everyone to bring everything they have Sunday.

    We need this cherry on top of our division sweep sundae. Yes, I said cherry, so no need to revisit it.....

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    unconscionable... damn auto-spell check

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    amen

  • In reply to sjvl:

    Inner Butkus, I love it!

    "Be true to yourself, and you will never fall!"
    -Beastie Boys

  • In reply to Jokey:

    I was supposed to go to the Jets game, and that fell apart, and then the freaking Vikings beat the dog killer last night.

    I am a bit fired up. And loving it!!

  • In reply to sjvl:

    is it me or is the NFL like a monopoly that can charge any price for any dumbshit they can think of?

  • In reply to KissMyButkus:

    I think the absolutely worst scenario to happen would be if we chose not to bury the cheese and we ended up watching them advance in the playoffs if the Bears don't make it to the big dance. The prospect of this happening is also unpalatable to me and this must not take place, not under any circumstance. Nyet.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Even if we beat them they will very likely still make the playoffs, win or lose.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    I'm with you, Trac.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Being surrounded by Packers fans, I can't fathom that thought. They've been mostly quiet this year, especially since we beat the Eagles, and I like it that way.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Nyet? You russian Trac?

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    IF's, AND's, BUT's, IF ONLY's....and the list goes on and on. If a Rodgers falls in the forest does he make a sound? If he continues to fail in big game situations and playoffs does he ever step out of the great Brett Favre's shadow? Those are pretty big shoes to fill. Not a huge cup mind you but big shoes. Rodgers is alwasy flashing the championship belt around his waste which is gay because he has never won a playoff game or a championship. odd.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    I think that's the champeenship belt of heterosexual gayness Johnny. At least that's what it says on wikipedia.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Not that there's anything wrong with that

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Nice Johnny. Welcome to our 2009, bitches (well, kind of... just without the whole Juggernaught thing).

    Oh and a couple other random thoughts:

    * Where the fuck is my homeboy Crown?

    * Congrats Chuck: http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news?slug=mmaweekly-2e11e23f53f02b87e1b5757b0a8098ef

    * Damn you Jerry!!! (see #6): http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/andrew_perloff/12/27/2011.predictions/index.html?eref=sihp

  • In reply to KissMyButkus:

    Isn't this great gents, debating if the Bears should rest our starters or not? What a great problem to have!

  • In reply to Joseph:

    True dat! I think I've changed my mind 3 or 4 times. I do think that Lovie is safe either way, not screwed either way. Injuries are more quantifiable than momentum though, so politically it'd be better for him to rest people. Although someone said a couple threads back (I can't remember, the volume of posts has like tripled this week) that a win over the Pack would be a big boost - much bigger than Jeff suggests.

    I don't think a win would puff up the team - I think they'd see it as just another data point towards their legitimacy. Especially after the writers will explain how flukey the win was, even if we hand the Packers their nuts on a plate.

  • In reply to WeShallReturn:

    there's a BIG difference between one weekend off and two weekends off... trust me. Biiiig difference.

  • In reply to TheGhostofHalas:

    and now for something completely different: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/football/nfl/12/29/brett-favre-sterger.ap/index.html?eref=sihp

    Yaaaaawwwnnn... who cares at this point. The flaccid penis that is the NFL rears its ugly head (see how I did that?).

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    And that is why Roger Goodell should be replaced. He found the one thing he could do that was unfair to everyone.

    If he fined Favre for breaking the rules, I'd understand. If he concluded Favre did not break the rules (which he did), I'd understand. If he came out publicly to support Favre and call Sterger a media hog, I'd understand. But this is just stupid.

  • In reply to mottystone:

    +1. And letting the Eagles game be pushed to tuesday. That was a money decision, not a safety one. Ditto for the Bears/Vikes game moved to TCF. Consider Favre's concussion karma and leave it at that.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    "forensic analysis could not establish..." blahblahblah. Hell, I don't blame Favre for not cooperating. Sounds like the Commish invited him over for a few drinks while he compared Jenn's text to Favre junk. Brett Girl is still a dumbass, but $50k well spent.

  • In reply to TheGhostofHalas:

    Sir Jeff, Hate to say it Pal but I suggest you strongly reconsider you position. I kept trying to convince myself that resting the squad was the right thing to do but a speed history course going all the way back to the 1985 Bears strongly indicates that a Championship Team should "Play ALL the Starters".

  • In reply to TheGhostofHalas:

    Oh, and speaking of don banks...

    HA! Eat a dick don, eat...a...dick: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/don_banks/12/29/nfl-power-rankings-week-17/index.html

    viva, what do you think? HeHateMe?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Seems pretty fair to me. We have 4 losses and the only team above us from those 4 are the Pats. And all the teams we've beaten are ranked below us.

    Whether or not we are stronger than for example the Saints or Ravens - I don't care; we'll find out soon. We only need to be better than 1 AFC team and unfortunately that's the Pats. We'll need a Tyree-esque play or 2 Hester runbacks to pull off a win. But stranger things have happened and I've always maintained that to win the Superbowl, the ball has to bounce your way once or twice. Unless you're the 85 Bears.

  • In reply to Jokey:

    I posted it because he finally HAD to succumb to the facts after only 16 weeks and put is in the only logical spot above GB and philly. This is the first week this season.

    What, you guys can't sense the sarcasm in my typing?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Ha okay. That's the first time I've actually looked at those rankings, this year at least. If he had the Eagles above us after we spanked them, then he's clueless.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    No hate here. Me needs GP to come up with MB Power Ranker infatuation ditty. I shall ask him shortly.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I do it as a joke with Viva now guys... trust me, I know and understand that these guys are hacks and are just trying to drum up eyeballs.

    Whatever, the net is that they're both turds.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I like how Banks said "the Eagles seem beatable now". Now that is some insight.

  • In reply to TheGhostofHalas:

    A man receives a fine. Yawn again.

  • In reply to TheGhostofHalas:

    I think that it is likely that Lovie will be criticized for whatever he chooses to do. If he rests the starters and the Bears don't make it to the superbowl, or have a poor showing during their first game of the playoffs, he'll be blamed for that; if he plays the starters and somebody gets injured, he'll be blamed for that. Johnny "Waffle" is correct that this is a tough choice.

    That said, I say play the starters. First, as we've seen happen in the past, it's dangerous when coaches rest their starters and then get a bye, as these teams always come out rusty. Second, I'd rather know that we elminate Green Bay for good than face playing them again in the playoffs (assuming that the GIants win, of course).
    Finally, I think we still need to improve, and I don't trust the ability of Lovie to have the players prepared after two weeks off.

  • In reply to TheGhostofHalas:

    The Bears are professionals.

  • In reply to kenbill:

    Indeed.

  • In reply to TheGhostofHalas:

    There. Halas has spoken, what more do you want. Packers. Dead. Period.

    What was Lovie's mission statement again?

  • Quiver of Smurfs.

    Sounds like a Irish folk group.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    ...supporting Box of Charms, Pot o' Gold and thrash metal band Leprechunt at the Shillelagh-looza in Poughkeepsie this weekend. Begorrah.

    Beers three dollars or Two beers for two dollars.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    logic has set back in. The Packers are fucking done mang, Chicago should rest the starters. Playing the starters in this game is like buying drinks for the town whore. The end result is the same so why waste the money.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    johnny...what's the old saying...shes like a door knob "everyone gets a turn" so it's our turn know.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    Not sure I agree. I was always really nice to the girls with low self esteem and it turned out pretty well. Of course, that was a long time ago.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    "pretty well" would be depend on why the self esteem was low to begin with, I would think.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    You may have a point there.

  • FUCK NO!

  • Can the Bears guarantee a win? No.
    Can the Bears guarantee eliminating the Fudge even with a win? No.
    Can the Bears guarantee no injuries to key players? No.

    The smart money says rest em. Time to start playing chess boys.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Trac you dont see the bigger picture though. Read up on GHOST OF HALAS post.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Color me dumb money then.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    I will be happy with whatever Mike, Lovie, & Tice decide to do on this debate. We have the all the best cards in our hands and they will play them to our best advantage. I see both sides, and they both make sense to me. I personally want to sweep our div and kill the pack!! I also want a rematch with the giants destory them. I love the 2nd seed and would like to keep it instead of the first because I feel we will play better on turf with Mike's offense. I feel like whatever we do we can win every battle even if its @ home. Turf or grass we will be triumphant! The lombardi is within reach no matter which path is taken. Our 2010 Bears will bring the trophy home. GO BEARS!!!

  • In reply to BEARSFAN78:

    lets not forget Rod Marinelli in the decision process...... I trust our coaching staff they will listen to the players and decide as a team what to do.

  • In reply to BEARSFAN78:

    What are our stats on turf vs grass this year? Does anyone know????? Very interested in finding out..

  • In reply to BEARSFAN78:

    http://www.nfl.com/players/jaycutler/situationalstats?id=CUT288111

    Cutler has a 108.9 QB rating on turf. 9 TDs and 2 INTs will do that for a dude. 14 TD and 12 INTs on grass.

    http://www.nfl.com/players/mattforte/situationalstats?id=FOR645404

    Of course, Matt Forte is the opposite. 5 rushing TDs on grass only 1 on turf. 4.6 YPC vs. 3.9 as well.

    Don't see team situational stats.

  • In reply to mikebdot:

    thank you your awesome

  • In reply to mikebdot:

    Turf is grass, Don't we mean artificial turf?

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Grass is also not an accurate description of the Soldier Field playing surface.
    It should be:
    Field Turf
    Grass
    Painted frozen dirt

  • In reply to BEARSFAN78:

    Start our resters.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Ok, I change my vote and I am switching back to my position I had last night. Crush the head of the snake. Start every swinging you know what and bury the Cheese.

    Pray tell you ask? I read the box score from the 1985 Bears. Ditka played to win. If it was good enough for Ditka, it's good enough for me.

    http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/198512220det.htm

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    welcome back trac

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    The wisdom of the 2007 Giants Rule has prevailed.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Good point. I may have to change my vote. It's pretty likely I think that the Giants (@Redskins) and Bucs (@Saints) both lose, in which case the Packers make it anyway.

  • In reply to Jokey:

    Here's the the thing - we've proved we're really bad at making picks, so let's just ask Viva to predict the likely outcome of everything and then we can all shut the fuck up about possible permutations like it'll make the blindest bit of difference.

    VIVA, your selections please ...

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Asking Snoopy to play chess ...?

  • No. It didn't work for Tony Dungy, won't work for Lovie Smith.

    Season after season we see the "Warner Cardinal" lesson played out in the NFL playoffs. Team cohesion and fortune win. Teams get rolling and bye teams get their asses kicked. If we rest them, we go three weeks without game time. It's a bad bad idea.

  • Fuck Green Bay up!!!

  • send don banks a steamy 5 day old shanty.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    ooh

  • No.

  • In reply to Jokey:

    After reading more posts below, I'm switching to Yes. Beating GB won't eliminate them if TB@NO and NYG@Was both lose.

  • The old classic dilemma: momentum vs health.

    When the Pats made their run in that "perfect" season, they went pedal to the metal, and lost in the SB.

    When the Colts made their second run, they rested, and lost the SB.

    So I think evidence can back-up either argument, but here's my 2cents...

    IF Atlanta is guaranteed the first seed, and we the second:

    OFFENSE:

    We should play and rest certain players.

    I would advocate that we play our entire oline, cuz that same unit has really only played since after the bye. The oline, more than any other unit, really thrives on chemistry, and the more playing time they share with one another, the better it is for our team.

    We should rest Olsen, and play Davis and Clark with some Manu.

    We should rest Knox (even though I want him to get 1,000 yds) and Devin (at WR, not KR PR)and Bennett (due to his injury) and play Aromashadu and Davis, and maybe slot Knox/Hester from time to time, but I'd prefer more two tight end sets here.

    We should rest Forte because without him, we have NO run game. HBs take the most hits, and a healthy re-energized Forte only means good things. Besides, Taylor needs to earn his contract, so run him, and dare I say, Wolfe (it'll prob be his last season as a Bears anyways). I would like to see some Melton here too at goal-line...

    REST CUTLER! Play him maybe a series or two like preseason, then let Hanie have at it.

    Defense:

    REST Peppers! Again, I would LOVE to see him get to 10 sacks, but just imagine him limping off the field...NO THANKS. Besides, all season I really have wanted to see Wooton, but Izzy has played so well, that it hasn't happened. Rest Izzy too, and put Melton out there. At DT, rest Toe and Harris (this is the first yr he hasn't been injured, why tempt the gods?) and play Harrison and Adams. I'm not sure if still have Turner on the practice squad, but if so, activate him just for this game for depth ant RE/LE.

    Rest Briggs, Pisa, and maybe Urlacher. Iwuh for Briggs, Roach for Pisa, and Rod Willson, for Urlacher. However, I would like to see Lach, like Cutler, play a series or two, then relax on the sideline.

    For sure rest veteran Chris Harris, namely because Wright is still a rookie, and I'd like to see him go a whole game against an aggresive pass happy and motivated Pack offense. If he has to make mistakes, this would be the game. Manning should also be rested (but not on KRs), and Steltz or Bullocks come in.

    Even though I want to beat down the Pack, sweep the division and own bragging rights, what could be worse than seeing Cutler, Lach or Pep injured? We might win the battle, but lose the war, and Fudgers would love nothing more than to say "we knocked Cutler out, and thus knocked you out of the playoffs".I think this will give us the best mixture of building on momentum, limiting injuries, evaluating personnel, AND winning.

    Because, as delusional as this may sound, I still think we can win or give a game with our (more motivated) backups - I esp want to see what Hanie can do.

  • In reply to KissMyButkus:

    I like your thinking.

  • In reply to KissMyButkus:

    I might be able to get behind that clear logic.... IF we're up by 38 in the 3rd.

  • In reply to KissMyButkus:

    My gut instinct says to play it to win. On another note, what happened to Harrison this year? He must suck. He's been inactive most games and played little in the others.

  • In reply to KissMyButkus:

    Sirius radio reported today that all the first stringers will start against the Cheese.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    As it should be.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Then "let it be written and let it be done."

    We shall meet the pack on the field of battle.

    "There are good men dieing up there. We're not waiting for anything! We're going to attack tonight! We're going to attack tomorrow morning! If we are not victorious! Then let no one come back alive!"
    -George C. Scott, from the movie "Patton".

  • Yes. There is no logical reason to play your starters.

  • In reply to dutsami:

    Unless you think the Packers are your biggest threat to get to the SB.

  • Well said!

    BEAR DOWN!

  • In the name of Papa Bear's Holy Ghost...

    NO!!!!

  • Hee

  • Wow... a REAL gnome!!! Sweet.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    This place has become the Shire.

  • HA!

  • the answers you seek are at the end of this video:

    http://www.chicagobears.com/multimedia/multimediapopup.asp?mm_file_id=2239&play_clip=Y&rn=7

  • Bear down, laddies, bear down.

  • In reply to Mastodon:

    And lassies too!

  • No

  • In reply to Mastodon:

    Fuck no! 2 weeks is enough rest. 3 weeks is asking for trouble.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    No. This team needs more time to gel or get hammered into focus during the bye week. If you get hammered with the 2nd string on the field there are too many excuses.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcnorth/post/_/id/21831/how-i-see-it-nfc-north-stock-watch-38

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Recalling the '05 New Year's Eve game, I just don't see how the Bears beat a good team, in THEIR crib, fighting for their playoff lives. The Bears' incentive at this point is strictly ceremonial. The Packers' incentive very real and tangible.

    Yeah, yeah, the #1 seed is, technically, still up for grabs, but do you really think the woeful Panthers are going suddenly become good for lame duck coach, John Fox (or should that be lame FOX coach?)? The Vikings record going into Tuesday was largely a bi-product of mismanagement, something Leslie Frazier has addressed in his brief tenure. The Panthers actually stink.

    If, as I strongly suspect, that the #1 seed is already decided by game time, I don't see how the Bears muster the emotion necessary to win this game.

    The Bears have gotten to this point because they are, arguably, the HEALTHIEST team in the NFL, a trend I endorse protecting.

  • NO!

  • No!

  • Start the starters and grind the Packers into the turf.
    Knocking those jamokes out of the playoffs means more than anything.

    There is nothing more despicable than a Packer and a Packer fan.

  • Don't forget to watch for Favre on the Outdoor Channel in Mississippi huntin' and fishin'.

  • In reply to kenbill:

    Highlight of the game last night, other than the Vikings W of course, was after they showed that TRULY MEMORABLE tribute-to-favre-montage, they zoom in on him on the sideline putting a huge dip in. Just classic fav-ray. You guys can say whatever negative things you want about him, but that's a man after my own heart right there.

  • In reply to bearsinwi:

    Yikes!

    That's a filthy habit and you can get mouth cancer BC.

    Oh, and the shots I love most were the ones where farve was nowhere near Joe Webb when he came off the field. No help, no words of wisdom, nothing... dude only cares about dude.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    With ya all the way MB. I was surprised he was smart enough to dodge the NFL investigation.

    I wonder if he turns into Bob Crane 2.0 and starts boning every groupie he stumbles across.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    And chicks who are not his wife ....

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    That's a loose interpretation of
    "cares" there, Irish. I'd could think of other five-letter verbs that would probably be more accurate.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    also, tractors, bass boats, skoal and lawnmowers

  • In reply to bearsinwi:

    Considering the Giants seem to be imploding and the unlikelihood of Tampa beating the Saints at home (yes, I'm aware of the Vikings/Eagles game), isn't it also possible that Green Bay might be resting their starters as well....

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    No way can they ASSUME the Giant's won't beat the 'Skins.

    McCarthy would get BARBEQUED.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    True but those two games should just about be over before our game begins...

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    Disregard my post - the NY/WA game is a late start so GB HAS to play hard...

  • Well, no matter who wins the argument here, the Bears are now 10 point underdogs so I guess Vegas believes the starters are going to be rested....

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    A million gazillion dollars on the Bears please.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    That spread is idiotic.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Spreads are not a prediction of outcome. They are a means to generate money on both teams. Betting is largely based on public perception and most people will just assume the Bears will have a minor let down, so the line needs to be overly generous to the Pack to get money moving toward the Bears.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/12/29/favre-fails-concussion-test-on-wednesday/

    Looks like the Bears may get to claim the sack that ended an era after all.

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/12/30/pro-bowl-stats-tend-to-support-leagues-position-on-rookie-wage-scale/

    I don't think anyone is arguing that a rookie wage scale would be a good thing. The problem is that (1) rookie all stars need the ability to break from small money contracts relatively quickly, and (2) 100% of the saved money needs to go to increasing the veteran minimum or otherwise into veteran's salaries.

    Players on stingy teams (that's us) are worried that management will try to push long term small money contracts on first rounders. And they're also worried that the savings from the wage scale won't get reinvested into other contracts. With all of that said though, the McCaskeys aren't known for being big spenders, but I'm pretty sure we consistently fill up our salary cap.

  • In reply to mottystone:

    New Bear, the team may not always spend their money wisely. The stingy tag you place on them is undeserved. Bears team salary is in the top 10 and all our draft choices get signed before camp begins. They didn't get Peppers and Chester Taylor being stingy. They sure werent stingy paying Butter for nothin either.

  • In reply to iamndmurff:

    Gotta agree. It used to be the coaching staff was underpaid but that isn't the case now.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    That's fair enough. We had some concerns when Lovie looked like he was going to be kept solely to avoid paying two coaches, but the Bears did pony up the cash this year. I retract my stingy label and instead use the term "frugal."

  • In reply to mottystone:

    The new Power Wankings are up. Atlanta is at #2, two spots ahead of NO despite losing to them at home and the Bears are #6.

    After the Bears win the Super Bowl they'll probably be ranked #3. I can hear the ESPN "analysts" now: "Despite losing to the lucky Bears team, both the Patriots and the Falcons come out on top of this year's Power Wankings." Here's Trent Dilfer to explain why this Bear's Super Bowl team isn't as good as the teams they beat to get there."

  • In reply to jj320:

    And why offense is infinitely worse than that of the legendary 2001 Ravens.

  • In reply to Mastodon:

    College Dilfer and Pro Dilfer are two different animals. hearing Dilfer critique Cutler is like hearing marital advice from a divorced therapist.

    Please guess who is who:

    5 years 15,800 yards and 104-77 TD/INT
    14 years 20,500 yards and 113-129 TD/INT

    Are you fucking kidding me? Those who cannot do...analyze.

  • In reply to Mastodon:

    Your Boy Roy breaking down the jets game

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRtmGooIslc

  • In reply to jj320:

    jj320...DD or Dildo Dilfer as all here on the blog call him..couldn't analyze shit. He's to busy polishing his knob...and I'm not talking about the knob above his shoulders

  • In reply to mottystone:

    It's not the amount of money spent that's the issue, it's who and how much it's spent on.

    I don't have any issues with our spending,

  • Bears vs Jets on NFL Network at seven tonight. Watch some match-ups.

    I have watched the last hour and a half of NFL Network and I think the Bears were mentioned once.

    As Jerry said - I'd like to have the last two hours of my life back.

  • In reply to kenbill:

    Just leave it. They started talking us up, particularly Forte, and I got nervous.

    Anything they do say says we did it quietly. Just for them.

  • In reply to sjvl:

    Our dance ticket has been punched already so the story has no appeal. They are too busy trying to vie for flappage of the gums pole position on the open playoff spots.

  • In reply to sjvl:

    I was in South Bend on Sunday at my son's home and could only get the Lions game. Yikes. We had the RedZone, but that and the radio was not like the game.

    My comments on the replay:

    Bears have the finest linebackers in football - period.

    Devin Hester is the greatest returner in history.

    If Hester could just give Matt Forte a thimble of his moves to avoid tacklers - Forte would be one of the best runners in the NFL.

    Jay Cutler needs to work on "perfection" --- Tom Brady can do it and so can Jay Cutler. No throws too high, no throws too low - hit the goddam target. Jay can do it, he just misses the exact spot sometimes and like Federer / Nadal there is only one shot - and he has to make it. He does and he does not - he must just do.

    No one has commented on how great our O-Line has developed - Cutler had protection from what I saw and that is improving game to game.

    The Bears are very, very "dangerous" - and that is a fact Jack.

  • In reply to kenbill:

    Here's a few facts Jack.
    The Bears have given up 18 sacks in the last 8 games, and a few of those were due to Cutler not throwing it away.
    Matt Forte is the first back in Bears history to have over 1,400 yards rushing and receiving in three straight years. Pretty cool stat, and he did it quietly.

  • In reply to sjvl:

    Phrozentundra is really nervous about the Pack not making it in the playoffs. You can sense the fear through the typed font. All that frustration about what could have been if his boys could just stay healthy. They may have been the best team in the history of the league. I mean who could have stopped this Packer team? Certainly not the Patriots, the 2005 Patriots, the 85 Bears, hell even the 96 Packers with Favre in hit glorious prime couldn't have stopped this juggernaut.

    Phrozen lashes out so angrily because this year has been pissed away. I feel for you Phrozen, who knows the heights to which your team could have climbed. Oh well, i guess the only thing left to do is make excuses and whine like a tiny little bitch. Here's to Green Bay boys, the greatest team in the history of the NFL...if they could have just stayed fucking healthy.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    It must be weird for Pack fan that Farve, their beloved for so many years, stabbed them and became a broken down ass clown. I mean, Joe Willie played for the Rams and defined the has-been quarterback so deftly, it really took a douche the size of Farve to top it.

    It must be odd. McMahon did something similar going with Buddy to the Feeble eagles, and also the Pack - but somehow we understood his fuck you to the McCaskeys.

    Farve isn't like that. He's truly hated in Green Bay now, and this must conflict a simple mind like Phrozen. His heroes have all gone away. So sad.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    At the end of the BiQueens game last week, Favre told Cutler to go to GB and beat the FudgePackers. I was surprised. If Favre would keep his yap shut, he could go back to the Cheese Turds and be a hero for life in about 5 years. He keeps chafing the fans up there every chance he gets. Weird.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    Somebody should fire the team trainer since that's obviously the only thing holding their first-class HOF team back from multiple championships...................

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    they better start looking for a new strength and conditioning coach...

  • In reply to bearsinwi:

    Great story about the tickets on the previous thread bearcat.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    haha thanks cor. It was a lot of fun, and the kids had a blast doing it (of course it did take time away from reading/language arts). Seats weren't bad either :)
    Here's the link if you want to listen - "wisconsin winner"
    http://hitmanharris.com/blog/2010/11/12/the-winners-of-the-bear-down-chicago-bears-singing-contest-a.html

    p.s. little sketchy my number is broadcasted to the world at the end (and by world I mean handful of people that read the chris harris blog), but I never got any weird calls or texts, so I guess we can conclude that BEARS FANS aren't creeps.

  • In reply to bearsinwi:

    Forgot to tell you, I was on opposite side, first row, section 210 (I may have mentioned the 45 yard line before...heehee).
    Your seating was probably in better shape in regards to the freezing rain/sleet.

  • No

  • http://www.gnu.org/

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Open source rocks and Microsoft is the anti-Christ.

  • A quiver of smurfs !! MwaaaaaaHHH!

  • STOP IT! FUCK THE FUDGEPACKERS!!!!
    ...........time to put the proverbial foot on fuckdodgers neck and twist it to make sure the air lets out of the carcass.....

    We have everyone on all the networks going against us...

    FUCK THE HERO shit! time to be the Dark Knight..the Vigilante....It's our way or the highway..I have drunk the koolaid and my attitude is no prisoner's let the carnage begin...and let it begin in lamefuck-field...

  • Nein. NEIN ! WIR MUSSEN SCHLAGEN SEIN !! WIR WERDEN UNS NIEMALS ERGEBEN !!!

  • And who gives a toss about GB anyway ? I don't care if they get in the playoffs or not ... I care about winning Lombardis. We'll play whoever we play ...

  • Precisely - is there any team who is less qualified to talk about winning superbowls than a team who has been in the playoffs every year forever and only has one ring from a forgettable SB where the best thing about it was the opening kickoff ...

  • no, kill the packers

  • Well regardless of who ends up playing, I was looking forward to watching it on real TV instead of a pirated, blurry internet feed. However, it's the NY/WA game in my area.

    Not sure if any members here outside the Chi-town area are aware of this link and it isn't going to do you much good now that the season's just about over and the playoffs all national broacasts but the link below is an NFL TV didtribution map. Bookmark it for next year:

    http://the506.com/sports/?p=458

  • Once again, some of the Pro Bowl selections belong on the comics page.

    Brees, Vick & Ryan at QB? Sorry. It may sound like herasy but I'll take Mr. Rodgers over all 3.

    Brees: 20+ INTs is Pro Bowl worthy? Where was Cutler's invite last year?

    Vick: The hits just keep on comin', and taking their toll, too.

    Ryan: Nice to have that tank, Michael Turner to hand the ball to.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    I'm with you Al, I like Rodgers too, but we still gotta whoop his ass Sunday. Bree's was lookin a little tired the other nite to me.

  • In reply to RogerMinton:

    Oh, for SURE. He's good. I respect his talent. Those facts just make it MORE fun to pound him.

  • Actually Doc, if it weren't for the fact that we sweep the Division, hurt the Packers chance of see the playoffs and our defense and offense need this kinda of pressure to prove to themselves we got what it takes..then resting some might be a worthy of thinking about..too much at stake here!!!
    Judging by some of the players comments they are in the "We don't wanna do nuthin but keep on playing!! mode.

  • In reply to RogerMinton:

    yeah I know it been placed here before but it says everything:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUw1DOQcDSA

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    Ha! yeah, like 5 posts above. Hee hee.

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    NEW THREAD!

  • damn, when you put it like that it makes me really sound like a pussy. I just want the superbowl ring playa. There are many ways to skin a tortured and electrocuted dog that just lost you 150.00 mang. I don't mind us going in there and shutting peoples' mouths once and for all but i don't want to see Cutty or one of the other big dogs go down in the process. this is going to be a dogfight. I guarantee Lovie will quietly have the big 6 play half of the plays except for Cutler who had better not take 1 fucking step back beyond the number 3 before getting rid of the ball. Rest up Bennett and Pisa as well. Logic says sit the players that make a difference because the Packers are meaningless right now. Football emotion says keep the train rolling and put Rodgers into the turf. Just be aware that they are thinking the same thing about Cutler, Hester and Forte. Don't be surprised if things get a little nasty and no crying if Cutty goes down because of a cheap shot. It is bound to happen in this game.

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