The Hourglass Flipper

Sunday the Chicago Bears cross the border into the land of moose meat and shady prostitutes lingering outside check cashing establishments a mile from the Niagara Falls casinos.  (I may or may not have firsthand information on this.)  They face the winless but gutsy Buffalo Bills.  A team that has turned a corner in their 2010 campaign.  A team that has taken two superior opponents, in consecutive weeks, on the road, into overtime. 

And if the Bears come back to the states with a .500 record, hanging the Bills their first win of the year, the hourglass will have flipped on Jerry, Lovie and the boys.  This is a not a must-win game for the 2010 season.  That was two weeks ago against the Washington Redskins.  This is a must-win for an organization regime that has designs on signing a new lease on their swanky Chicagoland estates. 

If Lovie Smith's Chicago Bears lose this week to the Buffalo Bills, he'll cease to be a concern for fans and media.  His name (as well as Jerry Angelo's) will be replaced on the airwaves by Bill Parcells, John Fox, Jon Gruden and Bill Cowher.  If the Bears lose to the Bills this week, there is no hope for Lovie Smith.  No possible winning streak to ignite the fans.  No brilliant performance capable of convincing the McCaskey family he's the man for the job.  If the Bears lose to the Bills this week, the only question that will remain is whether or not the Bears will fall below the Vikings and Lions in the standings as the season progresses.

And the bye week does not help matters.  Fair or not, most analysts use a team's performance in the aftermath of the bye to accurately evaluate a coach's ability to adjust mid-season and inspire his team on the field.  We should know about ten minutes into Sunday's contest whether or not Lovie's voice has been lost on the 53 men who have been charged with keeping his paychecks coming.  With the Bears, it usually doesn't take much longer than that.

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  • FIRST!!!!!!

  • To get us ready for this weekend:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNRlcjz3acU

    p.s. I hope I don't get this bottle!

  • Blogfather...what a sad commentary for this team....sad but true.. maybe it's team to crack open a Molsen Golden...

  • The girlfriend got me two tickets to the bears game when they play the eagles. Row 4 Baby!!! on the Bear's sideline.

    I will be sure tell Olsen everything that you want him to hear Irish.

    And if I see Tommie Harris, I will talk to him the entire game so he doesn't get run over by anyone.

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    Before Irish tries it.. no I don't mean my mom. Bastard lol

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    Ha!

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-catchingbears

    Ok.. is this for real.. hold on.. let me put this beer down. People are actually double teaming Hester? Come on.. Randy Moss got me when he put that purple uniform back on but the Bear's are not fooling me..

    Hester..being doubled .. hahahahah

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    B85S23...I just love the spin doctors on this....to quote:

    "Knox is on pace to finish with 1,093 yards and is doing what he can to squash the notion the Bears lack a No. 1 receiver, although defenses still see Devin Hester(notes) as the No. 1 threat.

    He

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    Do that Artoo! And don't be afraid to go up to him after the game and bitch slap him. He'll take it. Wear your Superman outfit too !

    By the way, no pre-emptive strikes ... are you taking your girlfriend or your mom? ;o)

    If you want to pay my flight over I guess I could go with you - in return, I'd show you the finer points of how to get free beer and go to the bathroom without leaving your seat using only a rolled-up newspaper and a can of coke.

  • http://bleacherreport.com/articles/508387-randy-moss-wants-to-be-a-new-york-jet

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    Thankfully he won't drop that far. Did anyone else see anything about the Giants/Bears talking to Moss' agent or was that just some ducheyne spreading a rumor on FanNation ?

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    rumor. The bear's didn't even try to get him.

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    Joe, it's my understanding, and I could be totally wrong, that there is basically a waiver list that follows an order.

    We would only have had a shot at moss if:

    1. No other teams above us on the waiver list took him

    2. No one took him and he became a free agent

    Again, I could be totally wrong, but that's the way I thought it worked. Michael L?

    I just want JA and Lovie and the crew gone THIS YEAR. I don't give a fuck how or why it happens, I just want it to happen. How's this for a fucking line up:

    HC - Cowher
    OC - Jimmy Harbaugh
    DC - Leslie F.

    It would never happen but, fucken A. Oh, and lastly... you guys know I'm a huge Jimmy H fan. I think he is aggressive and creative and has huge balls. I think he's going to make a great NFL HC. If we don't get Cowher, I would be willing to have us take a gamble on him.... rather than someone like fucking Fox or even Fischer (sorry Jeff) who've had plenty of NFL experience, just not all that much success. Whoever ends up replacing the fucktard pack, they need to be a GM/HC team who make amazing music together.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    he past us on the waiver list. We did not pull the trigger

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Yep, waivers follow a priority list that's based on each team's record. The Bears I think were at #17, the Titans at #23. If a team claims Moss on waivers, they pick up his contract from the Vikings (who in turn got their contract from the Patriots). That means roughly $3.2M for 9 games.

    If nobody had claimed him on waivers, then Moss would become a free agent and MIN is on the hook for that $3.2M. Then Moss can sign with anybody, and my guess is he'd go for the veteran minimum -- I think whatever he signs for would offset the Vikings' obligation. So he really gets his pick of teams in this case.

    Interestingly, TEN was the only team to put a waiver claim in for him.

  • In reply to 750mL:

    No doubt in my mind, Angelo was waiting for him to clear waivers ....

  • http://www.nbcchicago.com/blogs/grizzly-detail/The-Case-for-Moss--Merriman-106604283.html

    I wouldn't mind.. They will be cheap.

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    Urlacher tackled Paris Hilton ?! Eugh.

  • Bills are playing gutsy - that might have something to do with "we don't want to join the Lions as the only 0-16 team" mentality. I was reading the "power rankings", which listed the Bills last, and a blogger made an interesting argument: The Cowgirls should be listed last cuz at least the Bills are still trying.
    How much confidence do I have in the Bears? Well, I have a friend who's a Bills fan (yes, they're still out there, with 20yr old posters of Thurmon Thomas and Bruce Smith still hanging up), and I have purposely avoided talking shit about his Bills the whole season cuz I knew this game was coming up. I won't even bet on the game with him. That's how much confidence I have in Lovie and Co at this time. Of course, if we win, let the shit-texting begin! lol

  • In reply to KissMyButkus:

    Does that make my 25 year old poster of Sweetness worse... or just more vintage?

    Sad to say, there's more reasons to be a bills fan since 1986 then there are to be a Bears fan.

    I respect any non-bandwagon associated fan, regardless of preferred squad.

    You a Packer fan, and you were born in that poor excuse for a state? Good for you. What you lack in gene pool, you make up for in loyalty.

    You a Packer fan from California, with an uncle who once drove through Milwaukee on his way to Canada for draft-dodging purposes? Fuck off you flavor-of-the-month dickhead! Don't claim Sterling Sharpe made you a packer fan when you were 11... Man up and admit you hump Favre jock since 98. After, well, Steve Young went bye bye.

    Represent your roots, not some douche bag team you claim to have liked since "before they were good".

  • In reply to JohnGalt:

    It would be interesting to hear people's Bears fan origin stories. I remember my Dad being disgusted with Bob Avellini. I hope my 3 yr old won't remember how disgusted Jay Cutler made his old man.

  • In reply to Jokey:

    I remember being at a Chicago Blackhawks game at the old Chicago Stadium hearing people bitch about Vince Evans. I was 3 years old. It is one of my first memories. This discussion occurring as the same people bitching about Evans had me yelling at Koharski. Fucking bum.

    mikebdot says: "coharsky! You suck!". 3 years old. You know it. Potty mouth in fucking training.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Koharski

  • In reply to mikebdot:

    you guys are killing me!!!! It's sad to say I actually had the chance to meet VE and get a pic signed by him..crickey I'm old!!!

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    I don't know, Lobo. Vince stayed around for a LONG time. For all we know, he MIGHT still be on The Raiders' practice squad!

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    o.k. try this.... it was it from 1978 and I was a sophmore in HS... and here is a trivia for the younglings...

    1. Who did VE finish off with?
    2. How many years was hge in the League?

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    I remember Vince returning kickoffs early in his career. He was pretty fast.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    Punts, too.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    Don't hold your breathe and Frazier...rumblings about him becoming the HC for "The Queens" because Childy SUCKS!!! does this sound familiar about your HC is an idiot!

    A friend of mine who is a ViQeen fan says he's hearing that the leash is getting tighter. The blogs are asking for Childy's head!!! hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhheeeeeeeeeeeeeeehhhhhhhhhhheeeeeee

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    MB30SD - Australian - Canadian - Rules - Kick Ball- Eh?

    They just didn't have those dudes with the white 1930's hats come out under the goal posts and point.

    They also have a beheading and ritual burning of an Angle and Saxon.

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/E/EvanVi00.htm

  • In reply to mikebdot:

    damn the internets...hhhhhhhehhhhhhhhheeeeeeeeeeeee

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    MB30SD - Maybe everyone on the site wants Jerry et all gone, but a while ago came the opinion that seemed to say most everyone wants the Bears to win. The two are mutually exclusive - the Mccaskeys will keep the whole bunch (in my opinion) unless they lose at least 10 games. No way they fire anyone even if they end up 8-8. Therefore, if you want them to win - and if they do - then we get to keep this "brain" trust and offenses in the lower half of the league. Bolstered by above average ST and D, that gets us mediocre seasons and maybe an occasional 1 and done in the playoffs.

  • In reply to BillW:

    nah man. they miss the playoffs again, all those clowns are gone. can't raise ticket prices and expect fans to watch a losing team; this is not the Chicago Cubs.

  • In reply to BillW:

    soooo fellas....short list of GMs and HCs for the '11 season? this regime does not know what it takes to win (and i'm starting to think '06 happened by offsetting Lovie's coaching).

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    I wish people would stop putting Chucky's name in the mix.

    He's not in the mix. He's going to stay in the booth, he likes it there. He provides the white, blond haired guy now that Theismann has pissed everyone who has ever known him off.

    i think the collective DBB wisdom would like to see Leslie Frazier get his shot here. Maybe Samurai will come be DC once he gets his ass bounced from the niners.

    Jimmy Harbaugh loves Stanford a whole lot, and I'm pretty damn sure he's waiting for the Rich Rodriquez era to end (any day now) and he's gonna go to Ann Arbor.

    So I'd go Frazier and Singletary.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Frazier and Singeltary? What are we the Sacramento Mountain Lions? We need winners! Proven winners who can turn this sorry ass franchise around. People who have been to the big game. Those two clowns would further catipult this team into the depths of 2-14 hell.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Frazier - maybe
    Singletary (DC) - no. keep Hot Rod. he knows his shit

    and i bet if the Bears offered Jimmy the job, he'd take it in a heartbeat. he can love Stanford all you want, but when the bigs call, you either answer the call and test your mettle....or pull a Coach K (and realize your skills are only for the college game).

    Jim Harbaugh WILL be an NFL coach. and dammit if i don't want him as my favorite teams head coach. BUT, it's going to take a serious GM to do it.

    Phillips, Angelo, & Lovie need to be put to pasture.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    No more first time hc's please. Give me Cowher

  • In reply to MASOCHR:

    nah. this team needs a young hotshot dude; this wouldn't be a problem if the chairman of the board wasn't a fuckin' retard. had Lovie & Angelo pulled this shit at ANY OTHER TEAM, asses would've been fired. man i hope George knows what he's doing (and hopefully since he's the namesake of Papa Bear, he has the old man's spirit telling him what to do).

  • In reply to MASOCHR:

    Frazier or Gruden for me. Cowher wouldn't touch us. And my fantasy coach would be Jimmy Mac. Intelligent, knows football, been there and done that.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Fucking Chucky... damn Irish, you lost me there lad.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I wouldn't have Singeldummy as DC, but definitely LB coach.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    We just need a Head Coach who can take command of this team. I dont want to replace Martz, cause i dont want to see this offense learn a whole new offense, that would be bad. Marinelli is good to go.

  • In reply to BillW:

    Who knows what this group of misfits will do. They aren't going to throw the money down the drain if there's a lockout, but save a 2 game Playoff run and/or a SB appearance... I really don't see george wanting to start off his tenure with Jerry fucking Angelo as his GM and the rest of the bozacs.

    Routing for the bears to win and hating when they lose is not mutually exclusive to wanting JA and the rest to be fired. If they just keep reupping just because of a handful of wins, then it

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Excellent point on Brian not wanting to turn up for his first day at school with a big shit stain on his shirt. And the arch tool Ted Philips need to get airlocked too.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    George, even ....

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Here it is, the dregs of Satan's bum-hole falling from our venerated GM's blackened lips :

    LM: What factors led to the Bears' decision not to put a waiver claim in for Randy Moss?

    JA:

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Fucken shit man, this right here puts the cherry on the cake.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Today was a good day on the blog. I had a good laugh reading all the posts.

  • In reply to Grizzly559:

    Good to hear Fres. Personally, my left nut imploded when I heard we passed on Moss, swiftly followed by an infarcation in the right one when I read Angelo's response.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Joke of the day:

    "Knox is on pace to finish with 1,093 yards and is doing what he can to squash the notion the Bears lack a No. 1 receiver, although defenses still see Devin Hester(notes) as the No. 1 threat.

    He

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    History time. we'll need Al for this I think.

    Give me five players in the history of the NFL who switched teams at or beyond the trade deadline, and propelled their teams either to the Championship game or Super Bowl.

    Fuck, I'm having a hard time doing one.

    Top 10 NFL trades, none happen during the season:
    http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d8079f3cf&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Excellent question, GP, and I would have to do research to come up with xamples.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Oh, heeey, thank Don... oh yeah, and how about you eat a dick:

    Ranked 21:

    Chicago Bears (4-3)
    The Bears are our lowest-ranked winning team, and they're even beneath .500-club members like Oakland, St. Louis and Washington, as well as the losing Chargers. It's the two home losses to Seattle and Washington, and the fortunate season-opening win at home against the Calvin Johnson-led Lions that I can't ignore. But a win this week against Buffalo, in Toronto -- still can't get used to that one -- and Chicago will force us to reconsider its standing. Not a ton, mind you. But some upward adjustment will be made. Promise, Bears fans.

    Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/don_banks/11/03/nfl-power-rankings-week-9-3/index.html#ixzz14K3YJfNG

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    MB, we've got to let it go when it comes to that douchebag. At this point he's just screwing with Bears fans. The best thing we can do is ignore Banks.

    I was really proud of the board the other day when the Cheese Turd was knocking and nobody answered the door.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    I getcha Canada... but it's fun to hate banks.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Did you guys see the article about Moss throwing a fit about the post practice meal last Friday? To me it's the little things that really define people. That hissy fit told me all I need to know about that Jackass.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    I'm sooooo glad he's not on the Bears.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    I heard the asshole caterer interviewed on the Rich Eisen podcast. By the way, whatever happened to professional discretion? The Viking caterers tittle-tattling on Moss? WTF? Fire his ass. For me it's a non-story - has it even been confirmed ? Is it just the word of one caterer? Secondly, it's not like he sent cock shots and voice mails to a female employee on the Vikings or repeatedly cheated on his cancer-stricken wife (Brett Favre made some screwy faces at Randy in the locker room, because he's so perfect). As far as I can tell, he expressed his displeasure at the quality of food supplied in the locker room, not yet a felony in that State.

    Again, are we looking for fair-minded, church-going, fund-raising, pleasant, balanced, martyrs to populate our roster? Or people who are #2 on an all-time list at their position? Brett Favre is the most amazing thing about food-gate. He gets up on his high horse about a team-mate expressing his culinary/gastronomic opinion - complaining about the sausage rolls, what an asshole! ... but cheating on the wife when she has cancer and being the Reuters of cock-shots is just fine and dandy. Tool.

    http://richeisen.nfl.com/

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Yes, not picking up Moss was pretty inexplicable to a team in dire need of PROFESSIONAL wr's. But not surprising, huh?

    Listen, 85Bearz had it right - we have great specials (sacramento can't agree with your grading skills - how about an A for the best special teams in the league? I know Maynard has been somewhat off but he's been pinned deep a lot this year)

    We have a defense that's capable of being among the best in the league.

    Our problem is offense.

    Specifically, our problem is Mike Martz - and potentially Jay Cutler.

    We will know pretty quickly in the Bills game whether we have a season to cheer for or one to hang up. If Martz calls the game EVERY SINGLE BEAR FAN knows he should call, one featuring running, passes to running backs, and short and medium QUICK passes to our wide receivers and TIGHT ENDS, and one that features our QB's awesome mobility, we will not only beat the Bills, we will be BACK ON TRACK for a playoff run that has a great chance at success given the crap that's in the NFC this year.

    If we see the same Mike Martz game plan we've seen over the past 3 1/2 games, we're done. WHETHER WE BEAT THE BILLS WITH THAT GAME PLAN OR NOT, WE'RE DONE. Again, even if that game plan succeeds against the lowly Bills, we may not win another game for the rest of the season.

    So to me it's going to be pretty simple. I'm going to be watching Martz's game plan, and watching it throughout the whole game (because remember what the douche did with a big lead against the Panthers and with The QB Who Will Not Be Named Ever Again ((is said QB still on the roster btw?)) the douche started calling long pass plays again FOR EXACTLY NO REASON)

    So Martz, call the right game plan from BEGINNING TO END, and my optimism for this season will be renewed. I'll attribute your continuous 3 1/2 game brain fart to... shingles? alien abduction? Plankton took over your brain? Whatever.

    We'll see!

    And NO to a never-been-head-coach for the Bears. Irish, yes, I continue to believe that Cowher WILL come. In fact that's what I think he's been waiting for to come out of retirement. But we need PROFESSIONAL COACHING, not the latest Peter Principle Candidate to flop.

    Go Bears!

  • In reply to PhilfromSATX:

    Hope he does come Phil. He'd be very welcome ! But aren't they into Angelo through 2013 ? That's a lot of dough to cough up.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Don Banks has a mangina

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    By the way, I bet a lot of teams wanted Randy. The only reason the Titan's got him was because no one else wanted to take this chance( Moss could have went to the bill's or some of the lower teams but here is the catch, they could have picked him up but he might not have wanted to go there. Thus, he could sit out the season and you have a player that you can't use.)

    So the reason that Titan's got Moss was really because he wanted to go there and said he would play there. Now, unless we hear from Moss saying that he would have loved to have been picked up by the Bear's then this whole thing was moot, considering if he would have not wanted to play for us.

  • In reply to BillW:

    Suprise, suprise. The Bears did NOT put a waiver claim in for Randy Moss. There is absolutly no excuse for not bringing Moss aboard for the final stretch of the season. We failed to upgrade at WR once again, while every team in our division has a probowl caliber #1 WR. The Bears, retarded circus midgets. Not even good circus midgets like Barnum and Baily ones but like New Jersey Boardwalk sideshow circus midgets.

    I don't want to hear the "he's a locker room cancer" line because the only cancer in that locker room as far as i'm concerned, is Lovie Smith and Jerry Angelo.

    We have no redzone threat. Moss would have solved that.

    We can't run the ball. Moss's presence alone would discourage teams from stacking the box.

    Our WR can't get seperation at the 1st and 2nd level. Moss would help that.

    Teams do NOT fear us on offense. Moss would of changed that.

    We have a shit ton of games against MOSS's former division the AFC East. Moss would of helped that.

    Another lame excuse...Moss would need to learn Martz's system which is to complex. Bull fucking shit!! It's not brain surgery. You throw the fucking ball up and watch him posterize every CB he goes up against.

    and on and on and on and on.....

    Jeff Fisher has the ballbag to go and get a HOF reciever and watch what happens to Chris Johnson's stats and watch the Titans make the playoffs.

    It should of never came to this. Clean house.

  • In reply to Joseph:

    Um, because he's a giant bag of dicks?

  • In reply to MASOCHR:

    wasn't Tice the vike's hc when they parted way's with Lord Fuckface? Pretty sure those two can't co-exist

  • In reply to MASOCHR:

    and he's an XL sized bag of wang

  • In reply to MASOCHR:

    XXL

  • In reply to MASOCHR:

    Then Tice can fuck off as chief architect of the NFL's worst line. I'd take Moss for a season rather than five minutes more of that fat fuck on my team.

  • In reply to MASOCHR:

    That can catch 100 balls and 1200-1400 yards. When's the last time a Bear put up those type of numbers? In the history of this franchise?

    He's an asshole but we only need to put up with his shit for 8-14 games. Then he can go pound sand. This team is desperate. Moss solves plenty of problems and might be the talent we need to get in the playoffs and beyond.

    And its not like he's the godfather to our kids, who gives a shit if he's a d-bag?

  • In reply to Joseph:

    Is it possible these two dipshits can lose their passports and get left up in to "The Great White North" please...

    http://www.chicagobears.com/news/NewsStory.asp?story_id=7246

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    Nah. Those two aren't big enough. We'd throw 'em back. Fishing much too good up here to keep those small fry's.

  • In reply to Joseph:

    Your thinking of the 07 version. This years version mailed it in. You might get 2 good games out of him vs the Vikings. I'll stick with our hilarious circus midgets.

  • In reply to MASOCHR:

    He's had over a 1000 yards and at least 10 TD the last two years. He has 5 TD so far this year. I don't think or WR as a whole have 5 TD's.

    Where the hell is Irish dammit! Plain and simple he SCORES. As in crossing the thick white line into the endzone. This current group doesn't.

  • In reply to Joseph:

    Harvin was basically a non-factor before Moss came on board there, then, poof, suddenly Harvin's a threat again. THAT was no coincidence.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Shabba can go jump ball for any pass that Moss could have. He's just as good.

    (pulls hat down)

  • In reply to gpldan:

    as randy moss? did you smoke the prop 19 bill? was it made of hemp paper?

  • In reply to Joseph:

    I'm still reeling from the knowledge that only the Titans have a brain.

  • In reply to Joseph:

    +1

    In a league full of rapists, wife-beaters, drink driving ducheynes and all-round assholes, we're expected to only hire chior boys. This is football dammit, not Miss Congeniality.

  • In reply to Joseph:

    +100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

  • In reply to BillW:

    +1

    The Chicago Bears are a balance sheet to that family. They don't bleed nay blue and burnt orange like we do. They bleed green. Cutting Angelo et al loose would be an unnecessary financial cost. As long as they have bums on seats they don't need to change a thing.

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    '78? Yeesh!

    Well, I'll just SEE your "Sophmore in HS" and raise you "4 years out of College AND away from Chicago".

    I was right, he finished up a Raida.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    I only remember him as a Raider. I guess that's a good thing.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    http://www.chicagobears.com/news/NewsStory.asp?story_id=7248

    why we didn't get Moss.

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    still dont get it and too lazy to look it up. oh well.

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    Let's see ... '78, so he probably finished off with Farrah Fawcett or Cheryl Tiegs from the old wank bank there ... and I have no idea how long hormonal growth enhancer was in the league. Got me there.

    :o)

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Good rundown 85B4.

    Couple thoughts:

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    MB +1

    but I want to know about the CFL did they get that idea on the field from NASCAR? because I see the "F"ing MCFU!@$#!SKY's looking to put Buona Beef/ Portillos/ anyone that will pay to be put on the field on the fifty!

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    I don

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    can't=want

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    MB, you complete me ....

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Wild stuff Jack. when it gets to be 11 dudes just trying to fucking kick a ball anyway they can, it turns into a big 'smear the queer' street game. Pretty surreal that that debacle was actually in the rule books.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    From San Diego to lovely Buffalo NY. Have fun with that meathead: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5760807

    Not even sure we give a shit based on his last couple years performance do we.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    nope.don't give a shit

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I see Jeff Fisher in the middle, but I don't know who that guy is.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Brett fucking Farve GP... Brett. Fucking. Farve.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    And a girl that never ever got laid second from the right .... I think she's a lesbian or a nun or weighs four hundred pounds now ....

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I'll try to explain it but I'm no expert on CFL rules. You can't down the ball in the end zone. If you do the other team gets a point. The game was tied and the guy that caught the missed FG was about 2 miles deep in the end zone and didn't think he could bring it out. So he kicked it back to them. They promptly kicked it back to them again.

    Anywho, CFL isn't the NFL but there are parts of it that I really like. There's a low salcap so you can go to games for $15-$20. Not great seats but not terrible. I like the rule about giving up a point if you down it in the end zone. There's no fair catch on punts. The kicking team has to give you 5 yds of space to catch the punt. The game is wide open with tons of scoring.

    The down side is maybe 1 in 50 could play in the NFL. Happy Hank won the Grey Cup (CFL version of the Lombardi Trophy) with the Calgary Stampeders 2 years ago.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    What's it all aboot, eh?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    The Favrenator?

  • In reply to Jokey:

    I haven't seen the Bills play but forcing 2 OTs to Bal and KC on the road is certainly better than losing to two highly mediocre opponents at home, so you gotta think this is another one we lose.

    Bears stock is rated Sell Right Fucking Now At Any Price. My wife bought me birthday present tickets to the Lions game in 4 wks. It's pathetic that the season could be over by then. I feel sick.

  • In reply to Jokey:

    Ryan Fitzpatrick is the studliest QB in Fantasy Football over the last month or so. Just sayin' ...

  • In reply to JohnGalt:

    More Mid-Season Grading:

    Defense: Overall, solid B.

    D-line: Is anyone NOT happy with Peppers? He's a monster. His only knockback,which can be said of the entire Dline, is that they don't produce enough sacks. But other than that, they apply plenty of pressure, hold nearly every hb to short yardage, and rarely ever get caught out of position. Izzy is coming on, and Toeina's motor makes me want to start doing push-ups while watching the game. Harris is Harris - to be honest, I expected him to be injured by this time of year, so the fact that he can spell another DT only adds depth to our Dline. Grade: B+

    LBs: This group makes me the happiest. Briggs is playing at a probowl level, yet again, and if anyone doubts his impact on the run game, just remember those games he sat out. Urlacher is obviously healthy, hungry, and playmaking and Pisa is a Hammer. Iwuh stepped in nicely for Briggs, so he gives a little peace of mind. They stuff the run, cover well, and rarely make mistakes. Grade: A

    Secondary: Is anyone else pleasantly surprised by our secondary, esp our safeties? Tillman is a rock, and the master of the strip. He reminds me of that Mike Tyson saying, "Everyone has a plan, until they get punched." Everyone knows Tillman is going for that strip, and then they get punched, and the ball pops out. Bowman is OK, but I'm far more impressed with the 5'8 Jennings, and DJ Moore is Mr. on the Spot with 2 int (could've been 3). I honestly thought that Manning would've been moved back to nickle by now, so Kudos to our CBs for allowing him to master the safety position, which he is doing. Chris Harris looked over the hill pre-season, but like Pisa, he's a hammer, and I don't think it's a coincidence that Manning and Wright (when he gets back) are flourishing under his experience. Stats say they give up a lot of passing yards, but that's the Cover 2s fault. When was the last time someone whizzed past them for a TD? Grade: B

    Defense overall Grade: B+. Dline can always get more sacks, Lbs can always make more plays, and Secondary could always create more turnovers, so there's room for improvement, but the fact that they're still relatively healthy and motivated even though they're on the field for far too long is a testament to their will and good coaching. We're not exactly the Steelers, yet, but I can't think of a better Cover 2 D out there.

  • In reply to KissMyButkus:

    OK, a couple things. i don't wish to rain on sunshine in November, but just a couple things.

    1. Who runs the Cover 2 besides us? I mean, just so I know the list.

    2. Tillman is not a rock. He may go down as one of the great Bears corners, and there was never a better corner at the strip than he. But his days of shutdown corner are long gone, as evidenced by how badly Santana Moss burned him (even if Harris was supposed to be back on that play). The Seahawks burned him good, one for a TD.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    The Chiefs, Colts, By 2006, the Buffalo Bills, Minnesota Vikings, Kansas City Chiefs, and Detroit Lions

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    All of the those teams are in the top half of the league for fewest passing TDs allowed, and only the Lions are outside the top half in fewest passing yards allowed.

    The Cover two is a successful scheme. Our defense is not the problem. Nothing to see here.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    The Cover two might have gotten us burned for some yards earlier on, but I see just now .....

    ... we are the *best* pass defense in the league in passing TDs allowed. We've given up a measly 4 TD passes versus the Jags' 17 !! So much for the Cover Two

    Although we're steady at 5th stopping the run, we are sucking at allowing rushing TDs - tied for 6th worst in the league.

  • In reply to KissMyButkus:

    Special Teams: A

    This is a short one. Hester "U are ridicules" on PR, Manning "I'm running for at least 30yds" on KR, Gould as good as Gold (except if it's anything longer than 50) and our coverage is playing solidly. My only (surprising) qualm? Maynard's punting. He's awesome at pinning opponents inside the 20, but only if he punts it from say, the 35-40 yard line. When our inept O goes 3 and Out and has to punt it from the 20s, Maynard doesn't have the leg to boom it and change field position. Maybe that's why they're trying out a new punter...

  • In reply to KissMyButkus:

    That's what annoys me about Gould and his perceived 'untouchable' status amongst Bear fans. He's great ... until the times when you really need a kicker. Three seconds left in the game, fifty four yard FG required.

  • In reply to KissMyButkus:

    Overall I'm happy with the D, three and outs are the bottom line. It's not their fault that the offense is pathetic and runs the three and out train all by themselves.

    Our secondary ...well I was about to rip into them and then I see that we're 15th in yards allowed, we've improved ... figure in that Pringles coming back should make us better and not worse, and I'll chill on the secondary. Happy with Peppers? Not ninety one million dollars happy, no. Two sacks isn't doing it, sorry. When you consider that we could have upgrade three or four positions for that price, then no, he's not producing equal to the investment. Would you rather have :

    A) Peppers

    or.

    B) Wale, Alex Brown, Brandon Marshall, Mankins & O.J. Atogwe

  • In reply to JohnGalt:

    the more I thought about it, the more they earned that "+" lol

  • In reply to JohnGalt:

    I was thinkg the same exact thing while typing it Gault lol

    But the way I see it, the 85 Bears were like Muhammad Ali: Dominating, Full of Character(s), and ultimately, legendary. Sure, there have been other heavy weight champs, but he, like Da 85team, are "the greatest". That's my story, and I'm sticking to it lol

  • In reply to KissMyButkus:

    Yeesh. Can't let that one pass. Ali went between 12 rounds and the distance in most of his fights and rarely dominated. He certainly didn't dominate Foreman, Shavers or Norton, and Joe Frazier kicked his ass twice IMHO. Just sayin' ....

  • In reply to JohnGalt:

    Well, as I like to say, you can pick your friends and religion but you're pretty well stuck with your family and your hometown sports teams...

  • In reply to KissMyButkus:

    Quiz for today -

    Portions of Jeff's opening sentence apply to Green Bay, Wisconsin -Can you tell which portions are applicable?

    Also, the opening sentence reminds me of an old Larry Lujack joke about Green Bay.

    Answer: "moose meat, shady prostitutes outside check cashing establishments"

  • In reply to KissMyButkus:

    The old joke -

    A sales boss is driving a new salesman to Green Bay. The new salesman says, "You know Green Bays is nothing but football players and old whores"

    The boss says, "My wife is from Green Bay."

    The new salesman says, "What position does she play?"

  • In reply to kenbill:

    lol

  • In reply to kenbill:

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d819d3ef2/article/the-top-100-concludes-with-games-greatestever-players

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    I stopped paying attention once they had Meril Olsen above Sid Luckman and Jim Thorpe. I mean are you serious!!??

  • In reply to Jlehr:

    These lists are all just "Mental Masterbation" and program fillers.

    You CANNOT compare players from different eras, especially in football.

    The NFL has reinvented itself MULTIPLE times.

    Plus, I saw the segment on Thorpe. There's like ONE ten second clip of him warming up.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    In the spirit of "mental masturbation", I tried to figure out the last ten. The first eight on my list are pretty obvious. Presumably I'm missing some people since my last two choices don't seem horribly likely but they SHOULD both be in the Top 100 and are not so far...

    Payton
    Butkus
    Rice
    Montana
    Manning
    Brown
    Taylor
    Unitas
    Hutson
    McDaniel

  • In reply to Jlehr:

    And Cap Boso was nowhere ...

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    EVEN with his Hall-of-Fame- Soldier-Field-Divot against the Jets that Monday night? Oh, and that was a TOUCHDOWN Ref!

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    B85S23...NICE!!!!! man if that does not make you get choked up...then you don't bleed navy blue and burnt orange...

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    Beautiful. Nice story about the golf balls. Choking up here at work watching that. Wherever they end up rating him, he's number one with me.

  • In reply to KissMyButkus:

    I'm at the point in the season where I have mentally thrown in the towel. Now I am watching a Circus act. I want to see something entertaining, like Henry Melton line up at FB or a new scheme that breaks Shabba free for some deep ball throws.

    I am no longer watching games. I am watching individual plays in rapid succession and looking for something that resembles good football or worth a chuckle or a clap.

    I went to Brookfield Zoo on Halloween with my kids, and walking around the zoo, which is a pretty good barometer of the south and west side burbs and the demographic of football fans - in passing literally thousands of people I saw two Bears jerseys.

    Two.

    In that same time, I saw maybe 100 Hawks jerseys.

    That, right there, is what the mcCaskeys should fear and do something about. This town has quit on the Bears, they are something on tv on Sundays and sometimes Mondays, like golf.

    And as the fans quit, and maybe we even start to see more empty seats (I don't think we are there yet) - the skyboxes deflate in value. Everybody is unhappy with losing. Since little Mikey is lying about not selling the team, he's watching his Excel spreadsheet start to turn from black to red. The Bears will get more Forbes articles about what a mismanaged bunch of bunglehead buffoons they are, as if Ditka and McMahon and Hamp and everybody else all day on the Score isn't having an effect already.

    So I will watch for some plays. I will sigh when Cutler gets his 4th sack and limps off the field. I wonder what antics this circus will produce next (Juice and the Wildcat!) and emotionally, I will put my Blackhawks jersey on and stop caring deep down.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    My grandparents and mom told me all about that zoo. Went there when I was little.

    I like how no matter when or where my grandpa is talking about it he talks about a certain Elephant that was always chained and just walked around.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I respectfully disagree Jeff. If the Bears lose Sunday (unfortunately a relaistic possibility) the McCaskeys will STILL look for reasons to keep the current regime. And with eight games left after that, they will find some reasons. At the end of the season I can see the Bears out of it and GB having wrapped up the division and seeing the Bears win. So it would be very easy for the McCaskeys to rationalize "we beat the division champs twice - and with another year with the same coaches and improvements of our young players and a few additions here and there we will be in the thick of things next year."

    And I daresay many of the people on this site would feel the same way.

    No - it will take a losing streak at the end of the year and 10 or more losses total before it's even considered. Losing to Buffalo - while an obvious indictment of the staff to any logicial person - will by itself not be enough.

  • In reply to BillW:

    I gotta believe, or maybe I just wish to delude myself, that a 6-10 season gets Lovie and JA run from town.

    If not, then I may actually hope for a CBA lockout next year.

  • In reply to BillW:

    So, in Sum:

    Offense: D+
    Defense: B(+)
    Special: A

  • In reply to KissMyButkus:

    Maynard alone brings special teams down to a C+. His punts have been atrocious!! Also you cant hold on returns for TD's and get an A grade.

  • In reply to Jlehr:

    C+... common sacto, that's a little harsh man. B+

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Sorry man.. those last two games special teams killed us.. and it it's been killin me. Damn Redskins fans!!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Tennessee-Titans-claim-Randy-Moss-off-waivers?urn=nfl-282200

    Tennesseeeeeee...

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    That 40 point fantasy effort that Britt put up is unlikely to get repeated this season.

  • In reply to Jlehr:

    I believe the vast majority blogo opinion was that that holding call was a "phantom" and absolutely BOGUS!

  • In reply to KissMyButkus:

    85bearz4ever -
    Good job on the grading. Little to argue with - maybe Specials a tad high as you mention Brad's decline. Defense is solidly above average and Offense solidly below average. Some in the one of the papers again went through the ranking of offenses under JA (including his time at Tampa; only in 2006 were we above average and he mentioned we had Thomas Jones then (and promptly got rid of him). Don't recall the details, but it was surprising how high up we were under Hatley and Graves. Well, "high up" is a relative term but you get the point.

  • In reply to KissMyButkus:

    Coaching : F
    Management: F
    Ownership: F
    Having no cheerleaders : F

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Fans: A+

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    True that... get some cheerleaders. Who are we the f'n Steelers?

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Call me crazy.. but I'm actually optomistically awaiting the play of the O-line on Sunday. Besides being the Bills I think the Bears have shown they can run block when they choose to and with two weeks prep I think now is the time.

  • In reply to Jlehr:

    That is like saying you are looking forward to poking a sharp stick in your eye.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Ha ha, u read my mind Irish...I was just about to say someone else can grade management and such cuz I don't want to get an ulcer lol

  • In reply to BillW:

    No doubt they'll keep them - think they're going to pay off Angelo and then pay for the new guy on top of that?

  • In reply to BillW:

    Holy #$@%$#$@ Jebus ! The Titans were the *ONLY* team to put a claim on Moss?! If ever there was proof that the NFL is chock full of idiots then there it is.

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81bd6ad8/article/moss-is-tennesseebound-after-titans-only-team-to-claim-wr?module=HP_headlines

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Perhaps the NFL is not quite as chock full of idiots as some might believe. Moss has already been kicked off two teams this year. Can he make it three?

  • I think fans of losing franchises are some of the best fans out there. It's a day at the beach being a fan of a consistently good team (not that I would have much first-hand knowledge of that). It's tough being a true fan of a lousy team. Kudos to Bills fans.

    Jeff, not that I disagree with you about mgmt but I still maintain if there is no football next year there will be no changes to mgmt next year.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Ownwers are starting to realize how how much cash they stand to lose with lock-out. Yes, they still get paid by the TV newtworks but that money also has to be repaid, down the line.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    I know Al. I can't imagine both sides will fuck this up but you never know. If the owners do lock out the players I wouldn't be surprised to see the NFL popularity and attendance drop for a while. In this economy there is zero sympathy for either side.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    The Bills went to four super bowls. It's Lions fans that I admire. That's a cross to bear.

  • Im all for getting rid of the coaches. But what happens to Jay Cutler when we do bring in another coach? how does this effect him? it would be his Fourth Offense in Four years, Does this stunt his growth even more? I strongly believe that when we brought Jay in that was our chance to bring a new coach in. I think that we have to keep Martz in sake of Cutler. I can even deal with Lovie being here, But the PERSON who HAS to GO! is Jerry Angelo. Im so fucking tired of his wasted draft picks. Its hurting this team.
    I think hardly anyone is qualified up there. Angelo Lovie and Ruskell are all best of Friends. So its really clear that Angelo just hires Friends instead of people who are actually qualified.

  • In reply to Grizzly559:

    I've seen enough of Martz, his offense isn't practical and he's a stubborn asshole who can't see the wood for the trees.

  • We're exactly mid-season, so I think it's time to do a little evaluating:

    QB: Good-Rex, Bad-Rex...oh, sorry, just had a flashback. Cutler is a little hard to objectively assess cuz he has been running for his life, he's in a new system once again, and his receivers aren't exactly probowlers. That being said, he has made some bonehead decisions, but often it's based on trying to do too much. Grade: C+.

    Offensive Line: Do we even need to discuss this? Too green, too weak, too dumb, too old, too timid...2quarters of playing mediocre doesn't persuade me otherwise. Grade: F--

    WRs: Knox, Hester, and Bennett aren't doing too shabbily. Like Cutler, they're still learning the timing and routes, and just plain being WR. When the ball hits their hands, they seem to catch it, but that's the problem. They make a few spectacular plays like Hester in the back of the endzone, or Know on a number of plays, or Bennett moving the chains, but other times, they run what appears to be bad routes, or give up on the ball. I won't even address Shabba and the rest: Grade: C

    TEs: Olsen can't block, Manu can't catch, and Dez isn't allowed to do either (yet alone Davis). TEs are supposed to be the safety valve for a qb, esp one under siege, and that certainly isn't the case. Nor are they blowing ppl away for our run game. Grade: C -

    RBs: Like Cutler, hard to assess cuz they haven't exactly been allowed a chance to prove themselves. They get stuffed early, and Martz just goes pass happy, when everyone knows that the run game is more effective in the second half. Forte has showed flashes of brilliance, like in that Panther's game, but his short yardage game is atrocious (hence our goal-line problems). Chester Taylor has been as advertised, and like many of you guys, I'm wondering why we don't put him in more on short yardage situations. They both are awesome in the pass, screen, area, and more than capable on the blitz pick-up...I blame their lack of production more on the scheme and the o-line (I wish I could include a FB here) Grade: B

    Overall: IF it weren't for our horrendous Oline, I would grade the Offense a solid C, maybe even B- (assuming the run and pass game would improve with them). But, we don't live in fantasy land. Overall Grade: D+

    (which reflects nearly all offensive stats evaluations. on various websites, we're in the 28-29s bottom of the league on O.)

  • In reply to KissMyButkus:

    QB : D
    OL: F
    WR: E
    RB : C
    Overall Offense : F

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