Wait, We're Supposed to Block Those Guys?

It rained on me in the Meadowlands last night and I didn't mind.  Because a tornado could have picked up out of that beautiful new facility in the swamp, swirled me around in the sky and flung me into the glass of the Whiskey Cafe in Lyndhurst and I still would not have felt as bad as Jay Cutler.

The 3-0 Chicago Bears embarrassed themselves against the New York Giants of New Jersey in ways I didn't think possible.  All the much-discussed problems along the offensive line came to a head, as the G-men sacked Bears quarterbacks three hundred times and knocked the franchise's most valuable asset out of the game with a concussion.

Forget about the second half.  Even if the ball had bounced the right way, which it almost did, the Bears would not have been able to thump their chests on the plane ride home.  The 2010 Chicago Bears should consider the first half their current identity.  They are terrific on defense and specials.  And they can't block. 

As good as Mikes Martz and Tice have been this season, that's how awful they were last night.  Did we not have a screen or a quick out in the playbook this week?  Did our quarterbacks need to keep continually dropping back into a suffocated pocket?  Bears fans throughout the stadium were screaming advice for Martz that made far more sense than what was actually being run.  I hate to say it but last night was one of those games that makes you scratch your head about Martz.  I think this system is the right one for our quarterback but he can not keep operating like our offensive line is capable.

And in my mind, we're going to Carolina.  Against a head coach who knows how to get after the quarterback.  The Bears have shown in the past, especially under this coach, they are prone to short memories.  With or without Cutler (please be with) the Bears can not let last night become a trend as they enter the easiest portion of their schedule.  They are still 3-1.  Still leading a Green Bay Packers that is not the juggernaut the prognosticators thought they were.  Learn from last night's disaster and move on.  That's all they can do.

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  • Get rid of Tommie Harris First!!!

    See how I did that?

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    I did see how you did that...

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    Thoughts:

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Its a fact MB. I looked it up and reposted it from the end of the previous thread. There is a link to poor night vision and diabetes

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Night games are generally prime time games, which are generally better match-ups with better defenses and more pressure. Thats probably a better explanation than diabetes.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Decent take, but I take a huge exception with one statement MB. This team in no way has any hope of being special this year. My Kool-Aid glasses have been officially thrown in the shitcan. Lets be honest, we were lucky to win the three games we did. Can we be lucky from here on out? Yeah, maybe for 2 or 3 more games but no more than that. Bottom line, we have absolutely no running game. In the NFL, that spells disaster when you pair it with a crappy line. We are a one trick pony on Offense and our opponents now have the blueprint from beginning of the Cowboys game and 60 minutes of the Giants game to systematically blow up our passing game for the next 12 weeks. Unless the Bears can crap 3 or 4 NFL ready lineman, Game over. Season over. Some may say that a healthy Cutler will solve our problems, but I'm not buying it. Lets face it, we have a 7th round draft pick in competition for a tackle spot. Enough said. Oh, and does anyone really think Collins has a chance in Hell of making it through one quarter of play with this line? Sign Garcia NOW. I still say trade Tommie, Girly Man Thor and whoever else we have to to beg Denver for Tim Tebow. The only chance we have with this line is to get a quarterback that can run fast, very fast. Out.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Man Trac, you're glass has gone from overflowing to totally evaporated in less than 1 week.

    Tim Tebow? Is it because he's a good Christian boy? Because he certainly is not an NFL caliber QB.

  • In reply to Crowned:

    No Crown, because he's very fast. I'm not turning on the Bears, just going back to my first instinct. Honesty is the best policy.

  • In reply to Crowned:

    By the way Crown, I'm not in the business of evaluating players based on their belief system. I always look as football skills and talent first. I offer a lot of tongue in cheek perspectives and I'm surprised you would offer that take. Still, no harm, no foul here. Cheers Mate.

  • In reply to Crowned:

    Lovie and Mike Martz should be fined by the league and sued by Cutler for last night. It was obvious to everyone in the stands that Cutler was rocked with a concussion mid way through the first quarter.

    It was clear to me and the 15 people watching the game at my house, the Giants, the people in the stands and the announcers that something physically was wrong with Cutler half way through the 1st quarter.

    Martz and Lovie ignored it and didn't even talk to him on the sideline to check him. This is not on Cutler to me. Forcing him to play with a concussion is criminal and risking everyone else on the field is reprehensible.

  • In reply to Crowned:

    Back to the drawing board gents. Unfortunately we have to play with the Deck we've been dealt. Can't see but maybe 1 or 2 possible free agent signings as far as plugging our line and the odds of even that happening are slim to none. Gotta give Tom Coughman credit, that guy is as sharp as they come. He was the difference in the Super Bowl against the Pats and he out coached Belacheat. I should have remembered that prior to kickoff. Jeff's right, it's all about wins and losses, however, relying on the passing game with a horrible O-line and a non-existent run game will only get you so far. The only debate left to have, is how many more games can we eek out victories with this line, what steps can this team take to improve our backup QB situation and are there any possible trade scenario's worth considering for lineman? Hanie plus Garcia at the very least. Tod Collins looked anemic, bad line or not.

  • In reply to Crowned:

    He's a big strong boy though. He'll develop into something useful I think and Orton will be looking for a job.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Yup, the Saints and the Colts have ridiculous run-pass ratios and have been hurt by it. Look who their QBs are. Can't pass your way out of trouble. History has shown us that.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Why are Bears fans so concerned with what other people think? Who fucking cares? It's about winning games.

  • In reply to JeffHughes:

    Right on, Blogfather. The only reason it might matter what any of these media chumps believe is if it motivates the Bears personnel.

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    Diabetes. People with diabetes are at higher risk for night vision problems. Over years, high blood sugar is toxic to the blood vessels and nerves in the eye. The retina -- the back of the eye where images are focused -- is gradually damaged (retinopathy). Two early signs of retinopathy from diabetes are poor night vision and taking a long time to see normally after coming indoors from bright light outside.
    Picked this up from WEB MD. Something was obviously wrong with Cutler. This O Line stinks. Omiyalle is just horrible. Tommie Harris is done. Release the poor guy instead of making us look at him floundering on the ground and embarassing himself. Bring in every free agent lineman and try them out. Theres got to be better ones out there.

  • In reply to iamndmurff:

    I don't buy it as an excuse. Have you actually seen any of the games? There is more than enough lights to prevent the retina from adjusting to night vision. (Which is primarily a function of the rods)

    Now I do think it is possible that Cutler's blood sugar could be completely out of whack at the time of the night games, since his body's internal clock could be telling him it's time for bed.

    Besides that, when you're getting hit and sacked on three step drops, I'm afraid there is no quarterback in the league including Manning (the good one) that could succeed behind this very offensive line. He probably had a concussion during one of the early hits, to be honest.

  • In reply to phud101:

    Sorry, just realized the 2nd sentence could come off as a bit snarky! My bad.

  • In reply to phud101:

    Sign Jeff Garcia now...

    Then trade Nanu Nanu and Tommie Harris for Lewis and the LB that want out of San Fran.

    We are possibly down 2 qbs, have no fullback and are back to having one backup LB for all 3 spots while maintaining 4 RBs, 4 TES, and a 5th WR who is kept because he is supposed to tackle good. WTF is with this POS roster. Pick between Garret and Sheeed, then cut the other for another LB.

  • In reply to dutsami:

    Michael Lewis (S) just got cut by the Niners - he started 50 games for them.

    He played two years beside Brian Dawkins with the Eagles

    "On March 2, 2007 Lewis signed with the San Francisco 49ers. Lewis re-gained his starting role with the 49ers and had a good season, finishing his first season with the team starting all 16 games recording 104 tackles, 1.5 sacks, and two interceptions."

    We could do worse.

  • In reply to phud101:

    Cutler's play was probably more of a function of being pummeled 20 times in two quarters than anything else.

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    Stellar, Artoo. The force may be stronger in you than I had first thought young Padawan.

  • Can some ask Martz why he kept calling the plays where jay would drop back and wait for receivers to be opened with an o line like last night? What happened to quick passes to get the ball out as quick as possible before the pocket collapsed?

  • In reply to Bounce:

    The quality of our much debated smurf squadron is being exposed. They're not smart. They were never smart. They're not going to get smart. Hester and Knox catch the odd pass and burn up the turf and 50% of the fans get a boner. Earl Bennett couldn't get inside Ron Turner's playbook and rode the bench for a year. How do people reckon he's dealing with Martz' playbook? Answers on a postcard please.

    And our most explosive receiver continues to sit on the bench. Go figure.

  • http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/bears/post/_/id/4666622/no-holding-kreutz-back

    http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/bears/post/_/id/4666618/5-things-we-learned-bears-giants

    At least Olin can say he isn't the only one pissed.

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    "I played in a lot of games like this, I've played 13 years," Kreutz said. "One off the top of my head, we played Green Bay the last game of the year in [2004], and we gave up 15 (9) sacks that day. I've been in games like this before.

    > No you didn't Olin, you never played in a game like this in your entire life. Cutler got sacked 9 times in ONE HALF. And you're a captain and the leader of that line and the buck stops with you.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Apparently Jeff Dickerson learned the following from watching the Bears-Giants game.

    1. The offensive line will be an issue all year
    > Y'think?

    3. The run game is turning into a concern:
    > I did not know that.

    4. The defense needs help:
    > Y'know I couldn't put my finger on it before now, but that's it! The defense needs help! Genius.

    5. The Bears next stretch is critical:
    > Really? I thought certain games in the regular season were irrelevant and didn't count towards the final tally. Help me out here ...

    Jebus.

  • http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/The-real-reason-for-Chicago-s-sack-trouble-No-p?urn=nfl-274207

    Are you freaking kidding me.. seriously? lol

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    Really weak.

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    Ow my head is expanding from that implosion. Good news and bad news:
    Good news - this didn't happen against the Packers.
    Bad news - everything else: oline, coaching, who else to blame? Cutler some? I'm not sure. But concussions get worse the second and third time and can end seasons (Hillenmeyer) and careers (Dilfer et al). Let's pray this is an isolated incident, that the coaches keep him out as long as he needs, that they adjust their scheme like in Dallas (why they did not last night, who knows?), and of course that he recovers and does not regret being a Bear 25 years from now. Because I'm looking forward to medium rare porterhouse at Prime Cutler's. Let's get back on track!

  • In reply to Jokey:

    Nice pic.

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    Tommie looked horrible. Pathetic in that last game of Hampton's career kinda way. He can't stand up. It's as if the OL doesn't need to block him, he will just fall down on his own.

    It's time to rotate Toeina and Melton at the 3, and Harrison and Adams at the NT and release Tommie Harris and go find somebody on waivers to play his position.

    There's nothing to say about the OL. Lance Louis was knocked out with a knee injury. Shaeffer actually told a reporter after the game he didn't know what was going on. He actually SAID that. How does that not fall on Tice, when your OL say they have no idea what's going on?

    If Dez is done (he didn't suit up), then Angelo should go find a FB and release Clark. If Lovie is benching all the players who piss him off, then we won't even have a OL against the Panthers.

    The wheels just fell off the bus. It will be interesting to see if they can come back on.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Yeah, the wheels are off. Omiyale was exactly what we thought he was. Like I posted in the game thread, next year's draft should be:
    OL, OL, OL, OL, OL, OL, OL

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I feel you might be right there GPL, sadly. That's shocking to hear from Shaffer - I don't even know what it means. They were being schemed to the point where nobody knew what was happening? They're professional football players! They saw something no one has ever seen before from four down linemen? Give me a fargan break !

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    I'm not going to wade through 600 posts so I'm sure most of this was covered. Totally baffled by Martz last night. I couldn't figure out why Cutler was hanging onto the ball so long until the play when they blitzed 3 guys on OMG's side. 2 receivers were open. Football 101 says throw to the side where the blitz is coming from. Cutler looked the other way. At that point it dawned on me. He was in a total fog. He'd been knocked senseless. If I can figure that out watching it on TV how is it Martz and Co. can't?

    The Giants are terrible against the run. Our OL sucks but give the RB's a chance. If nothing else, let them take the beating not Cutler.

    It will be interesting to see our O next week. This could be a defining moment for us. If we don't fix this, we're totally fucked.

    The tackling in the 2nd half was horrible. I'm not too upset because if the Giants only scored 6 points it was going to be enough.

    What an ugly, ugly loss.

    Let's hope the coaching staff and OL figure this out. Not to mention, Cutler recovers and regains some confidence in the OL and coaching staff.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Wow.. that was great point. Bennett was open and so was Knox.. that is why Jay didn't figure it out. He was already knocked into La La land.

    GP, that falls squarely on Mike Tice if your player says that. I don't think if Shafter would have known what to do if he did know. He was getting blown more than Arron Rodgers was last week by Jaws.

    That o-line needs a lot of work.

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    I think its comes down to Cutler not being an intelligent QB. He is talented as hell, but he isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer. The offensive line issues just magnify this.

    Why is Forte still handed the ball? Chester Taylor at least gives a second effort. Let him get more touches in the running game.

    The D was awesome other than some key missed tackles in the backfield in every quarter. In the end though, they just got gassed. Any D beat by Eli Manning is either exhausted, or just plain terrible.

    It's hard not to state the obvious here, but the o-line is terrible. I like Cutler, but the picks we lost on him are going to get him killed. Grossman and Orton suffered for awful lines here and Cutler is having the same issues, with no promising prospects upcoming.

  • In reply to zmac:

    Reality check on the defense was awesome - we were only 3 points behind for a long period, sure, but look at the numbers. This is what the NFL's '#1 run defense' did to the Giants.

    Bradshaw got 129 yds on the ground, averaged 5.5 ypc, a rushing TD, would have broken two hundred yards and 2 TDs had he not been checking himself out on the big screen when Bowman mugged him at the goal-line. Brandon Jacobs - a guy I would have handed the ball off to 30 times if I was Coughlin, because we had no answer for him - average over 10 ypc on only 6 attempts and a rushing TD.

    We can't stop the pass, and we can't stop manly running backs.

  • In reply to zmac:

    Martz is smarter than most QBs, Martz figured that out pretty quickly. He ain't no Favre/Marino dummy.

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    ... serving fries at McDonalds but patently not blocking in the NFL. Another result of Jerry Angelo's presence in our organization.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Cutler did look sick or drugged up. My girl was like man he needs to wake up he looks like he's on drugs. Haha

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    You're absolutely right Canada. It looked like a cumulative concussion type of thing. He seemed extremely blurry on his last possession.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Cut Collins and sign Garcia today. If the Bears don't do this, our season is over. Cutler cannot sustain another game like the one last night and teams now have our number. The prognosticators were right, I was wrong.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Good plan on Garcia. At least get Hanie in there instead of Collins.

  • In reply to Mastodon:

    Get Jimmy Mac into the gym, and offer a year's contract to Jerry rice. Old school. Where's *that* movie? I'm surprised Will Ferrell and that chimpanzee Stiller haven't done it already. Ferrell plays a wily old QB with Stiller as a mentally-different wide receiver who both get second chances at life due to an NFL lockout where the owners hire whoever they can find to put on games.

    First Down Syndrome (?)

    or

    Scabface (?)

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Been saying it since the beginning of the season; Hanie should have been our number 2 and played that second half. Experience gets you no where when you are totally immobile in the pocket and facing a severe pass rush. Hanie can run and has a better arm than Collins (ie he doesn't throw the ball directly into the ground pee wee style).
    On Hanie's first play, he scrambled around the pocket and connected a laser to Knox. The kid should have been #2 since he was healthy.

    What happened to Martz's in-game adjustments? Why not utilize SCREENS, short step drops, dumps to TEs? Dallas was only 2 weeks ago.

    I'm absolutely done with Omelette.

    Although I don't like Colllinsworth he brought up one good point that stuck with me when talking about free agent signings. He noted that Taylor and Forte are basically the same type of back and that the 3rd down specialty role Taylor has grown accustomed to in the past isn't a must need for the Bears since they have Forte. ManofMoohlah has been getting blown up and can't fucking block. Olsen has been a better blocker to date.

    I thought Peppers was somehow going to single handedly win the game for us. The guy has a non-stop motor.

    I'd rather get totally exposed and smashed than lose in a heart breaker. Sometimes these type of games are good for a squad; sometimes they need a game like this. They know where they screwed up and what must improve. Let's see if they're resilient and can come back from this. Can't get worse. The only more dominating performance against the Bears I can remember, is when Mcnown was the QB in San Fran. I believe the Bears didn't get the ball in 49er territory the whole game. But, at least the OL kept him from getting crushed.

    Were 3-1. Football is a weird sport. For some reason, this season has a mystical type feeling, similiar to '06.

  • In reply to Crowned:

    It's the Magical Mystery Tour, that's for sure.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    He looked blurry right away. I wonder if Irish has something about the diabetes at night thing.

    Jay hits Hester on that first pass and it's a totally different ball game. Maybe.

  • In reply to Mastodon:

    I don't buy that night vision/diabetes argument. Have you ever been on the field of an NFL stadium at night? It's bright as day. He might have some vision issues related to the diabetes but I don't think it's a night thing.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    I don't have the stats, but every time I've seen Cutler play at night he has shit the bed royally. Might be interesting to see what happened during Denver night games ....

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    If Cutler cant go, start Hanie. Collins looks done.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    This was mentioned all right. Jay was running out of bounds taking losses instead of heaving the ball away. At one point he heaved the ball away *as* he was stepping out of bounds. He was standing in the pocket at times for 5 or 6 seconds, so his brain clock clearly wasn't working. I'm no doctor, but time distortion/dilation is indicative of altered brain functioning. Including sacks, I think he was hit around 20 times in one half. That's an incredible amount of punishment. I think one Giant defender said it got so bad he actually tried to bring Cutler gently to the ground he'd been hammered so much. He felt sorry for him.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    And here's the kicker. If it was indeed concussion, although I think it's only the media who said it was. That could be Cutler on IR - just like Hillenmeyer. Except that, y'know we actually *need* Cutler.

  • Murph should repost that because it was a great point but I still don't think Jay would have played so bad if his brain wasn't moving around so much.

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    Got it. Its reposted !

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    And Cutler needs to get rid of the ball faster. I don't care if Martz calls a stupid seven step block when the O-line can't block. He needs to be more consciously aware in the pocket. Given, it was difficult to decipher at what point his awareness was altered by the concussion. He was doing such a good job of throwing the ball away when nothing was there in the first 3.

  • In reply to Crowned:

    agreed, i do think he suffered the concussion late in the first quarter though and that may have made things even worse. he looked like he was blasted.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    I, too, think Cutler got knocked silly a lot earlier than that last sack.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    The Bear-haters on the 4-letter, etc. will be absolutely GIDDY this week.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    DId i mention how pathetic the offense looked last night?

    Can we get a real FULLBACK AND SOME REAL OLINE!

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    Absolutely with you.

  • In reply to Crowned:

    This is one of those days when I'm happy I'm several time zones away from being able to watch night games. Oof.

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    Diabetes. People with diabetes are at higher risk for night vision problems. Over years, high blood sugar is toxic to the blood vessels and nerves in the eye. The retina -- the back of the eye where images are focused -- is gradually damaged (retinopathy). Two early signs of retinopathy from diabetes are poor night vision and taking a long time to see normally after coming indoors from bright light outside.
    Picked this up from WEB MD. Something was obviously wrong with Cutler. This O Line stinks. Omiyalle is just horrible. Tommie Harris is done. Release the poor guy instead of making us look at him floundering on the ground and embarassing himself. Bring in every free agent lineman and try them out. Theres got to be better ones out there.

  • In reply to iamndmurff:

    I may be wrong about this, but I'm pretty sure last night's game - while played at night - was under LIGHTS to replicate DAYLIGHT. No more lame excuses about diabetes PLEASE.

  • In reply to Shady:

    No ones tryin to make excuses Shady, just looking for the reason the guy has never won a night game in the NFL.

  • In reply to iamndmurff:

    Did anyone see the screen Cutler threw to Forte in the backfield? It looked like to me that he purpose threw that ball as hard as he could as if to say FU to the O-line. If that was the case, I think that is very unsettling all the way around. I don't know how long he was playing with a concussion but I definitely felt like he lost control of his temper and I'm still not quite sure what to think about that.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    BRILLIANT! Lovie has to get inside their heads and fucking tell em. His fucking QB is getting killed and he just stands there like a douche.

  • In reply to Grizzly559:

    ... looking up at the big screen as he does. Probably thinking to himself "Wow. Look at that screen, man. That is just *huge*. I wonder if that's a bunch of little screens or just, y'know, one big TV. I sure never saw me no TV like that back home. No sir-ee. Two times two is four ... three times three is three ... now I know my A-B-C .. .ta ra la la laaah ..."

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Something about Cutler was bothering me from the get-go last night. I think he entered the game under the weather and it only got worse when they started pouring it on. I think he'll be ready to go against Carolina.

    More than a few of those sacks are his fault. If he had hit converted those plays they pointed out where Bennet/Knox were open, maybe the Giants would've backed up. Cutler refused to keep them honest even on plays designed to do so.

  • In reply to WeShallReturn:

    But he got hit about 20+ times, i think we can put the holding-onto-the-ball-too-long down to confusion caused by severe abuse. From, y'know, the Giants D, not a pervert uncle.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Guys, this isn't complicated. They couldn't block. They allowed 9 sacks in a half. There's not a quarterback in football who could have survived that game.

  • In reply to JeffHughes:

    Yea, but at least 3 were on Cutler. He was holding the ball too long.

  • In reply to JeffHughes:

    I'd blame Cutler for 2-3 of the 9 sacks while he was in. I also think he was woozy for about 20 of the 30 minutes he played. I know he's a tough guy and the macho thing to do is to keep playing. How is it the coaches didn't even suspect a problem until halftime?

    Hopefully if he can't go on Sunday they start Hanie. We have to have a mobile QB with this OL.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    kinda difficult to assess which 1s were his fault b/c of the concussion. so....idk. but NO qb could've survived that

    @GP: did you just seriously say Elvis Grbac? really hope that was a joke....but Randall Cunningham was of a different world....and he'd even be pissed off about this line. you can't win games w/ an o-line performing like that.

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    Vick is a mobile QB, and look where that got him. Mobilised to hospital.

  • In reply to JeffHughes:

    Randall Cunningham could have. Maybe Elvis Grbac.

  • In reply to JeffHughes:

    Any of these guys appealing? Maybe we can just get fat guys who come to Soldier Field to suit up:

    Andy Alleman (RFA) Kansas City
    Eugene Amano (UFA) Tennessee
    David Baas (UFA*) San Francisco
    Kevin Boothe (UFA*) NY Giants
    Jeremy Bridges (UFA) Arizona
    Daryn Colledge (UFA*) Green Bay
    Harvey Dahl (UFA*) Atlanta
    Jahri Evans (UFA*) New Orleans
    Kynan Forney (UFA) Jacksonville
    Rex Hadnot (UFA) Cleveland
    Ben Hamilton (UFA) Denver
    Russ Hochstein (UFA) Denver
    Montrae Holland (UFA) Dallas
    Richie Incognito (UFA*) Buffalo
    Max Jean-Gilles (UFA*) Philadelphia
    Chris Kuper (UFA*) Denver
    Deuce Lutui (UFA*) Arizona
    Evan Mathis (UFA*) Cincinnati
    Seth McKinney (UFA) Buffalo
    Stephen Neal (UFA) New England

  • In reply to gpldan:

    neal, evans (although i think he got the big contract), but besides that? no.

    gotta build through the draft.

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    +1
    There's no hidden gems out there ... hey wait ... that guy who fucked his sister ... Tony Richardson ?? He was okay wasn't he ? Playing tackle, not in bed ...

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    Coughlin's offense sucked mostly, he should have used Jacobs a lot more - we had no answer for a guy that size. Even Bradshaw was carrying people with him.. Perry Fewell deserves more credit for last night.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Lovie:

    Tommie can you hear me?
    Can you feel the pressure?

    Tice:

    Tommie can you feel me kicking you?
    Can I help to cheer you?

    Coaches:

    Ooo, Tommie, Tommie, Tommie, Tommie

    Lovie:

    Tommie can you hear me?
    Can you feel the pressure?

    Tice:

    Tommie can you feel me hitting you?
    Can I help to cheer you.

    Coaches:

    Ooo, Tommie, Tommie, Tommie, Tommie

  • In reply to gpldan:

    We released one QB this summer with the talent and ability to survive this mess. Flourish, even.

    Yes, that QB is Juice Williams.

    Martz, show us your brilliance. Install the Wildcat with the Juice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Either that or cut Collins and bring back The Favor and let's get him killed too.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    oh GP what in theee hell are you saying? you can't be drinking on a Monday, it's not even a holiday

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I am just like the rest of you. I couldn't even sleep last night, racking my brain, frustrated, embarrassed..
    The only thing I can come up with that none of you have mentioned..
    Caleb and Jay need to grow neckbeards. Winter is coming and it is going to be a cold one.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Fuck it. Sign him. Nothing doing down field. let it rip behind Kreutz, run forrest run.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    From greenberg's ESPN piece :

    I saw general manager Jerry Angelo walking late in the night in the lower confines of the stadium and as I sidled up to him, he said curtly, "I'm not in the mood to talk, partner."

    > Fair enough, brokeback ...

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I agree I've been away from my personal PC for the past week SORRY to say I did see the Two teams I would have seen walk away winners. I was at my grandmothers she is a Colts fan Yes I would have been happy to have seen them take their game. But! Even more thrilled to have seen the BEARS take their game.
    What is it with their head coach he showed absolutely NO emotion at all when his players failed in some way. Allowing their QB Jay Cutler to get slammed around like he did. I watched the game through half time Bears down 7-0 no biggie they were down at half against Dallas if I remember correctly then came back and took care of business, "WON" In this case They are one of 2 of the best teams in the league (undefeated). Playing against a 1-3 team should be an easy win even in my mind. The way they played they would have been better off staying in Chicago. Finally, I think it would be to their advantage to allow Jay an extra week to recover from injury before allowing to play again. Just do a better job of making passing calls and running calls if pass fails run for 3 to 4 yards at a time if needed throw opponent off balance maybe a pass between runs will actually do the job.

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    Hate to mention it, but I'm scared about Cutler. We may not see him again this year. The suggestion of getting Garcia is one that the Bears should heed, but it is not really imaginable that Angelo will react in a manner that will improve the team.

    ===

    In Crown's post he says he's done with Omelette.

    For the past two years, I have tried - really tried - to give Jerry Angelo the benefit of the doubt. Resistance has become futile so today I officially join the "Oust Angelo" movement.

    Although critical, discarding Angelo in and of itself will not do the trick. The entire group of people evaluating and selecting players for the Bears needs to reviewed in depth and seriously upgraded.

    But hoping for this is beyond a doubt drinking more deeply of the Kool-Aid than any of the contributors here has ever tried. Wish me luck, fellas - I'm not likely to survive this one.

  • In reply to Mastodon:

    Why do you say Cutler may be done for the year SC? He was able to walk to the locker room and from reports sounded like a mild concussion. I know the NFL has tightened up significantly with concussions, but how do you see this being extended more than a couple weeks at best?

  • In reply to Crowned:

    My wife (r.i.p. baby) was a nurse and assured me more than once that there is no such thing as a "mild" concussion.

    You're probably right, but one more incident and who knows? And you know FOR SURE that Cutler is going to get the shit beat out of him AT LEAST six more times this season.

  • In reply to Mastodon:

    Sorry to hear that man.

  • In reply to Crowned:

    Ref. Hillenmeyer.

  • In reply to Mastodon:

    Hanie with the start next week?

  • In reply to Mastodon:

    I didnt realize the Bears resigned Jonathan Quinn. Oh wait. Thats Todd Collins. My bad.

  • To add Collins got a weak arm or something.

  • What a terrible football game all around. For all of the Bears faults, the Giants offense was inept in itself. They should have been beating us by at least three scores at the half. Big time kudos to the defense for keeping us in it as long as they did. It was only a matter of time before the Giants put together a TD drive with how bad our offense was.

    As for the offense...just a piss poor effort all around. Blocking was as bad as I've ever seen. Cutler deserves some blames for maybe 2 or 3 of those sacks though...held onto the ball forever. I couldn't believe that Martz didn't try and move the pocket, throw some screens....anything to get the Giants DLine off Jay. It was all 8 step drops with no dump off safety valves in site (although, Jay should have passed into the flats to Bennett on the Ross blitz). Even in max protect, the oline sucked.

    The oline simply can't play that bad ever again this year. With the new concussion rules, Jay won't last the season. No chance in hell. Not sure exactly how this can be fixed without a bunch of band aids the rest of the season. We just don't have the talent up front, plain and simple.

    Martz may just have to figure out some way to run the ball and limit the endless amount of deep drop backs...but how is that possible in his style of offense? As Jeff said, this team's strengths are on defense and special teams. Just not sure how you can mold a Martz offense to compliment these based on his past. Time will tell.

  • In reply to BearDown1982:

    One Giants defender said that the Bears did change it up in the second half, slide protection, quicker passes, screens etc.

  • Welcome back to Earth, everybody.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Does this cool-aid taste funny to you?

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    By the way, not that any of you needed me to tell you, but Peter King is an ass. He basically puts the entire first half of yesterday's game on Jay's shoulders without mentioning once just how bad the OLINE played. He piles on by sucking on Orton's dick (happy for the guy I am of course) and then a pic of Jay on the ground rounds it out.

    I understand Cutler deserves criticism. He sure as hell wasn't perfect yesterday. But to only blame him for that disaster of a first half is just terrible.

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/peter_king/10/04/week4/index.html?eref=sihp

  • In reply to BearDown1982:

    No argument from me about King. We pretty much deserve all the shit the media will pile on after this one. The O last night looked at least as bad as the Quinn/Krenzel O.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    No...he put the entire blame on Cutler, not the Bears as a whole. That's where my beef lies.

  • In reply to BearDown1982:

    I knew you what you meant. The amount of shit we take this week is going to be monumental.

  • In reply to BearDown1982:

    DID I MENTION, PATHETIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OFFENSE WAS PATHETIC!!!!!

    Why did we not run the ball more? Pass happy team with a oline that sucks donkey dick.

  • In reply to Grizzly559:

    Isn't it weird? they call the guy some kind of genius, but any ten year old kid who plays Madden could have called better plays given what was happening.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    I think Ginny needs to open the pocket book and sacrifice a draft pick because that fat fuck Haynesworth would look great next to Anthony Adams on that line. Melton looked decent but Tommie was on the ground every play. Linebackers kicked fucking ass once again but by the last half of the 4th quarter we gave up 65 yards on the ground and it made the numbers look worse. the defense came to play mang, offense needs to scheme better and Chet Taylor needs to be in the game. Where were the screens? They did my Hester swing pass but it was blown up by a superb open field tackle. Don't think there are any worthwhile oline dudes out there right now so the short game and the run and screen game must be utilized.

  • In reply to BearDown1982:

    Jay Cutler does not deserve all blame. The sport of Football, baseball etc.. are team sports in Football if OL does not backup QB properly he is unable to perform IE.. pass or RB my not be able to run the ball. Then if Defense fails at keeping other team from scoring then that just makes life that much more difficult for offense to do do their job everybody has some form of a job. Sunday Night Bears FORGOT WHAT THEIR JOBS WERE especially offensive line and protecting Jay Cutler Long enough to pass ball. Another problem I noticed is when passing game failed they continued to push passing game VS running game

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Game will be replayed tonight.

    on Comedy Central

  • In reply to MASOCHR:

    hahah nice one

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Really.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Lovie on Cutler: "He seemed like he

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Lovie on Cutler: "He seemed like he

  • In reply to Jokey:

    Translation of Dr. Lovelace Smithsonian's comment :
    "I hope the kid's okay because we are proper fucked if he isn't."

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    hey, it was tasty shit Al. And well done. Were you and Reprisal the only ones to cover your spreads ? Everyone got toasted by the Bears. I'm not picking them again. Bad Karma, like Cutler and the O-line not wearing pink on pink night.

  • Nobody except the people on this blog, you mean?
    He should've been pulled early, especially in this day and age. The guy was confused and too tough to pull himself out.

  • Honestly, how much of a role do you think it actually played because THE WHOLE OFFENSE PLAYED LIKE THEY HAD DIABETES!?! Gimme a break.

  • +1. Didn't see your post CAK.

  • Ok. This is all we need to do.. Someone will take Tommie Harris..I don't care how much he sucks..use him and our new tightend, and our draft pics to get Mcneil, Mankins, and fat albert.

    We all might hate fat Albert but I think the does a better job than Tommie Harris.

    We will not last the next few games because when teams only have to send 4 or 3 to get to your qb.. Your oline is horrible.

    That's how we have been wining.. People would blitz more than 4 or 5 and Jay usually saw it and got the ball out.

    This game was different.

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    McNeil screwed up and is signed up for another year with the Chargers for $7.68 and some hairy chewing gum.

  • I dont buy that with the amount of lighting on that field. It's not like he was playing on some podunk high school field.

    If you want to use it as an excuse, then fine, but you cant say he wasnt himself because that is Cutler. He has diabetes, and maybe the Bears should had looked into that before they traded away a QB who could see in a well lit stadium and a whole draft.

  • TO say nothing for suffering the consequences of poor performance that a number of his teammates recently have. The "franchise QB" should be no more exempt than anyone else.

  • if he had actually made it to the sideline and then started talking the series over with Coughlin we made have pulled him quicker ...

  • I looked up his 2008 night games - 2 good games, one bad :

    week one: 16/24, 300 YDS, 2 TD

    Key stat
    Broncos QB Jay Cutler connected on only 16 passes, but made those completions count, averaging 18.7 yards per completion. To put that astonishing number in perspective, Tom Brady averaged only 12.1 yards per completion during his record-setting 2007 season.

    Week seven: Shit the bed. 17/26, 168 YDS, 1 TD, 2 INT.

    Week ten : 24/42, 447 YDS, 3 TD, 1 INT

    Game ball
    Broncos QB Jay Cutler got away with several risky throws, but his aggressiveness ultimately paid off as he passed for a career-high 447 yards and led his team on three fourth-quarter touchdown drives.

  • They have mentioned concussion on the official site. http://www.chicagobears.com/news/NewsStory.asp?story_id=7148

  • Excellent points.

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